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Listen: Immunity Passports

We could be headed toward a world with two classes: those immune to the virus, and those still at risk.

On this episode of Social Distance, staff writer Sarah Zhang joins Katherine Wells and James Hamblin to talk about the limits of antibody testing, whether we’ll be carrying around cards with our immunity status, and the lessons she’s learned from reporting on past epidemics.

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What follows is an edited and condensed transcript of their conversation.

Katherine Wells: Chile is starting to roll out a program to give people immunity passports. How widespread is this notion, and how close is it to being implemented in different countries?

Chile has announced they’re going to do this, but there aren’t very many details. Germany has

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