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2 truck. GO ahead and tell me, uh, more about, about that.
3 HARMON, trhm, they ...
4 BRYANT: I'm sorry. Did you ... was, was he behind you or
5 in front of you?
6 HARMON: He was, he was in his truck behind me and
7 it ... we're, we're .. ,'cause I had to flip a U'ey (sic) to come around
8 and I had to come in front of his tr· his ... when we were comin' he
9 was ... I was facing this way, towards I was facing towards Pierce
10 and I was right by the. by the police officers and, uh , Nate was
II driving his truck and he was in line behind me. And in order for all
12 the kids, the carts, the cars to get around you had to go into a
13 driveway and flip a U' ey so you can ...
BRYANT: So.,.
15 HARMON: ... sa ... wi thout hi t tin' anybody.
16 BRYANT, He flipped a U'ey so when you {unintelligible) ...
17 HARMON: When I was flipping a U'ey and my d- ... my window
IS was facing his he was saying I can't believe they actually did this
19 today.
20 BRYANT: Okay. An' then when you actually Were exiting,
21 was your vehicle in front of his vehicle or behind it?
22 HARMON: When r, when I was ...
23 BRYANT: When you're actually coming out of the school
~ parking lot, which way ... were you in front of him or behind him?
25 HARMON, Well, he was behind me until I flipped around.
BRYANT, And then you were right in front of him?
21 HARMON: An' then I was on the side of him.
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BRYANT' On the side of him? Okay.
1 HARMON: Yeah. My window was facing ...
6 HARMON: window.
7 BRYANT, What kinda shirt he was wearing or anything?
10 BRYANT: Okay.
11 HARMON: Uhm, and him an' ... they had pretty gory stories.
11 Uhm, they would also talk during class. Nate pretty much wore black.
13 They all pretty much wore black. Uhm, Nate wrote this poem about a
haunted house and Ms., Ms. Kelly had the ... she had the final copy of
15 it ... r think she may have handed it back. But it was talking about
[6 all this gory death and then it was (unintelligible) haunted house
17 and it was just a big joke.
18 BRYANT: Okay. Okay. But you definitely remember him
19 saying something to the effect that he didn't believe they actually
10 did this?
11 HARJ'ION: Yeah.
21 BRYANT: Can you remember the exact words he said?
13 HARMON: He ... 1 can't remember exact, but I think that was
24 it.
25 BRYk'lT, That ...
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HARMON, ... really quote (unintelligible) ...
6 BRYANT, to that?
1 HARMON, Yeah.
8 BRYANT: Okay.
9 HARMON: And I think John heard it too. I mean, so.
10 BRYANT: Okay.
11 HARMON: I'm pretty sure John heard it.
13 HARMON, I was.
IS HARt"lON, Yeah.
11 HARMON, I was.
21 (unintelligible) ...
22 BRYANT, Okay.
10
11
12
13 anything ...
HARMON: It ' s . . .
22
BRYANT: Well, what exactly is Nate's association with,
2 uh, T-S-M Isicl now?
HARMON: I, uh , I don't ... 1 don't know what it is. I
4 haven't even ... 1 haven't even ser- ... seen him on the news. I haven't
5 heard from him. And usually I always see him, ya know. I haven't
6 seen him at any of the church things. None of 'em. I didn't see him
7 at Clement:.
8 BRYANT: Okay.
9 HARMON: Nothin'. I haven't seen him at all and Nate an'
W I talk a lot.
11 SHULTZ: Okay. And you know him because he is in?
12 HARMON: Well, I mean I' va known him since we; ve gone to
13 school, but he's in my, he's in my video classes. He's in, he's in
all my classes with ...
15 ElRYlu'lT : You ...
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HARMON: He sat like right in the same row as me, but like
2 three people down.
3 BRYANT: An' speaking of the creative WJ:"iting stuff, the
4 T-S-M (sio) , in any of the writings, the journals that ... did you ever
5 read those things or they read ...
6 HARMON: Yeah, they read 'em out loud.
7 BRYANT: Oh. So they read 'em out laud?
8 HARMON: Yeah. And they ... whenever we have ... 'cause
9 we ... ever Friday we would have a, a thing called Falong (sic) and
10 where you would get into a group with all friends and you would pick
11 the best writing. And it was always Nate, Becea, Dylan, unm, some
12 other weird kid in our class, oh , I can't remember his name ... Eric
13 either (sic), but he always talks (unintelligible), I can't remember
his class, his name. And they would always, uhm, read their stuff at
15 class. And I was trying ... I her- ... her- ... heard that one of the
16 Jeffcc detectives saying that, that, uhm, they can't find any logs or
17 anything of where they put anything. And they told you guys that
18 they had all that stuff written in, in notebooks.
19 SHULTZ: M' kay.
20 HARMON: so .
21 SH"uI.;IZ: And the notebooks are in the classes, or with
22 the ...
23 HARMON: They .. ,
24
HARMON: ... yeah.
2 SHULTZ: So in creative writing class anyway Nate hung out
3 with Becca and Dylan and this other guy who was in the class with
4 you. What about Eric?
5 HARMON: That he was with Eric too.
9 HARMON: it was ..
10 SHULTZ: in creative writing?
11 HARMON: Yeah. I mean, it was just like their little own
12 cliche.
13 BRYANT: 'Kay. When you say Eric, which Eric are you
talking about?
15 HARMON: Uhm, that Eric, uh, Harris.
16 BRYANT: Harris? Okay,
17 HARMON: Yeah.
18 SHULTZ: Eric Harris was in your?
19 HARMON: Yeah.
20 SHULTZ: What about, uhm ... there's another name you
21 mention ....
22 HARMON: Eric Andreano (sic!sp)?
23 SHULTZ: Yeah. Eric k~dreono.
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HARMON: Yeah.
2 BRYANT: Okay. Did ...
3 HARMON: And they were the guys who were killing the
4 president and I was one of the gu- ... one of the people who saved him.
S SHULTZ: what, uhm ... where did that video end up?
6 HARMON: We were suppose to have a copy of it and I think
7 Jeremy Smith or Mister Talacco has it. Uh, none of ... none of ...
8 BRYANT: Who?
9 F~ON: It's either Jeremy Smith or Mister Talacco.
10 'Cause I know Jeremy was suppose to transfer it to V-H-S.
JI SHULTZ: An' do you kn- ... how's Mister'?
12 HARMON: Talacco?
13 SHULTZ: Talacco (s i.c) .
HARMON: T-A-L-A-C-C-O.
IS SHULTZ: Okay. And Eric Andreano ... who else was ... uh,
16 obviously you were and some other kids ... any of the T-C-Ms ... was Eric
17 participating in this with you?
18 HARMON: I don't think that James kid is, but I know he
19 talks to them. James something is, but ...
20 BRYA.."IT: Well, I, I think he's asking you was any of the
21 T-C-Ms was in the video, is that right?
22 SHULTZ: Or in, in the ... or, or ...
23 BRYANT: (Unintelligiblel .
24 SHULTZ: ... in the production.
25 HARMON: I don't know if James is a part of them or not ...
BRYA<"IT: Okay.
27 HARMON: ... but I know Eric was one of the ...
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SHULTZ: Okay.
2 BARMON: ... assassinators ....
3 BRYANT: Oh, okay.
4 BARMON: ... and (unintelligible) ...
5 BRYANT: And he's a member of the T-C-M ...
6 BARMON: I think ...
7 BRYANT: with Eric?
8 BARMON: yeah.
9 BRYANT: Okay.
to BARMON: 'Cause ... yeah.
II BRYANT: Now what pu· ... what role did you have in the,
12 have in, in this video?
13 BARMON: Uhm, Eric was one of the guys who stole the
president and tried killin' him. And I was one of the guys who shot
15 the bad guys and rescued the president. And ... yeah.
16 BRYANT: Okay.
17 SHULTZ: Okay.
18 BRYANT: And how did the video end?
19 BARMoN: Uhm .•.
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BRYANT: Okay. Did anybody have keys (unintelligible)?
2 Uh, do you know who had keys for the lab or anything?
3 HARMON: Mister ... uh, Peggy Dodge (sic) have keys for the
4 1- ... thing ...
5 BRYANT: okay.
18 SHULTZ: Did they ... did those guys ... either of the, the
19 people in the writing class or in the video class, Eric, Nate, Becca,
20 Dylan, uh , Eric Andreano ..• did any of them talk about comin' to s-
21 . . . back to the school after hours?
22 HAR1''lON: No .
23 SHULTZ: Anything you can remember?
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HARMON: Muh-uh. I have my own video group ...
2 BRYANT: Oh, so ...
3 HARMON: ... (unintelligible) .
4 BRYANT: ... you weren't in that group?
5 HARMON: Huh-uh. We choose our own video groups and they
6 chose each other.
7 SHULTZ: An' I was gonna ask you that next question. Who
8 was in their group'?
9 HARMON: Uhrn, it was the James kid, it's Eric Andreano,
10 uhm r Dylan ...
11 SHULTZ: Do you know Dylanls last name?
12 HARMON: Dylan Klebold. I think ...
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BRYANT: Okay. Three or four? How many total in the
2 class?
3 HARMON: (WHISPER Unintelligible) . Ohm, I would
4 probably say ... (unintelligible), probably, uh, fifteen to twenty-two.
5 Probably somewhere ...
6 BRYANT: Okay.
7 HARMON: ... between there.
8 BRYANT: Okay. So you'd have, uh, maybe four, five groups
9 or?
17 than?
18 HARMON: M-huh. Uh, most groups didn't have more than
19 four.
20 BRYANT: Was your boyfriend in any of this ... he wasn't in
21 your video class was he? Was ...
22 HARMON: Yeah, he was.
23 BRYANT: He was?
24 HARMON: Yeah, he was one of he was one of the kids that
25 went to Colorado Institute of Art and .
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BRYANT : ... John was in your video class too?
2 HARMON, M- huh ... yeah. He was ... he might' ve heard wha t
3 Nate said too.
4 llRYANT, Okay.
5 HARMON: And I would always tell him about, uh, how they
6 always had sick stories coming outta video class, or not video class,
7 out of our creative writing class.
8 BRYANT: Uh, you ... he would say that or?
9 HARMON: I would, I would S- ... 'cause on Fridays and stuff
10 when we would share, uhm, John and I would met up at his class and
II we'd go to lunch and I would always tell him how their stories were
12 so nasty and ...
13 BRYANT: So he was in a video class, but not in the same
class as you?
15 HARMON: We're in the same video class.
10 BRYANT: Eut different groups?
n HARMON: Uh, no. Me and John always have been in the same
18 group together.
19 BRYANT: Okay. But he didn't know about some of the
20 stories you knew about then ...
21 HARMON: Yeah ...
22 BRYANT: ... or (unintelligible).
23 HARMON: " .he, he doesn't have creative writing class
24 with us.
25 BRYANT: Oh (sic). ah, I see. So ...
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BRYANT, ... you were describing the creative writing
15 classes?
[6 HARMON: Muh-uh.
17 BRYANT: Okay. Now, you know the other day when you were
IS talking Pauline, uh, and, and today also you were making statements
19 that she waS talking about.
20 HAR."iON : M- huh.
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HARMON: ... on Monday ...
2 BRYANT: ... nineteenth?
3 HARMON: ... or Friday. I either talked to her Monday or
4 Friday about it.
5 BRYANT: Okay. E- ... either Monday or Friday.
6 HARMON: M-huh.
7 BRYANT: Can you remember where you were that, that
8 conversation, or how, how that went?
9 HARMON: We were in the middle of school store and I was
10 just asking her about it.
11 BRYANT: Okay.
12 HARMON: I was just asking her about how, if there's like
13 a certain thing you have'ta (sic), do ya gotta get beat in for it cr
something like ...
15 BRYANT, Oh-huh.
16 HARMON, ... that or and she said no. She wouldn't really
17 go into details about anything with me though.
18 SHULTZ: What, uh , what started that? I'm hearing you
19 tell me an', an' explain that you got a sense this is a very gang
20 like atmosphere. How did that whole conversation start with her?
21 ~~ON: Ohm, 'cause I was like ... 1 was all hey, Pauline.
22 She's all hi. And I was all, uhm, I was going through my yearbook
23 this year, or this weekend and, and she's all yeah. And I was like I
24 didn't know you were in the Trench Coat. An' she's all yeah, I was
25 last year. And I was all ... 1 was like is there a certain way to get
out. And she's all no, not really. An' I waS all do you have to be
banned (sicl or something. She's all you just have to be ruled as an
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outcast or somethin'. An' I was all oh l an' then, ani then, ub, I
2 asked her how shll' got out and she didn't really say anything. And
3 she just said that she got out because they were telling her weird
4 stuff an' she s· ... they were just scaring her.
5 BRYANT: M-huh.
18 that's it.
19 SHULTZ: Okay. And you didn't think about that until
zo after ...
21 HARMON: Nuh-uh.
24 the church. And Ms. Frommer didn't even know what happened to
25 Pauline after that. She didn't know she went home or nothing and I
think that's just weird ...
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HARMON: ... that even no one knew where she turned up.
2 BRYANT: Okay.
3 SHULTZ: D- ...
4 HARMON: And they gotta have her on the when you sign
5 out there's a sheet that the attendance ladies keep .
6 SHULTZ: Okay.
7 HARMON: ... and so it shows who forged ... uh , you can tell
8 if they forged it or not.
9 BRYANT: What, whether her parents did it or ...
10 HARl~ON: l~-huh.
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HARMON: Uhm, I., .uh, when I went to Clement Park some of,
2 uhm, Dylan and Eric's friends showed up and they were just standing
3 there like smiling, while everyone ...
4 SHULTZ: Do you ...
5 HARMON: ... was grieving.
6 SHULTZ: Do you know who that was?
7 HARMON: Uh, they don't even look familiar to me.
8 BRYANT: You know what kinda car they were driving?
9 HARMON: They were walking. From what I saw they
10 were ... 'cause I had to go drop one of my friends off an' they were
11 walking. They walked past us and when they were at Clement they were
12 just in a big group and they were just like smiling, like they were
13 gloating.
BRYANT: You know anybody in the group that has a red car,
15 maybe a convertible or maybe a red Pontiac or anything or?
16 HARMON, (PAUSE)
17 BRYANT: Or used to? Did you know any of the group last
18 year?
19 HARMON: Uhm, can't think of a red Pontiac last ...
20 BRYANT: Okay .. ,
21 ~~ON: year.
22 BRYANT: that's okay.
23 HARMON: uhm, you know who might know stuff that was, and
24 it wasn't last year, uhm, kinda ... an' was that he was friends with
25 the guy who I told you about Robert Craig ...
BRYANT: Oh .
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HARMON: and ...
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BRYANT: okay.
2 HARMON: they're kinda trying kinda recreate what
3 Robert did.
4 BRYANT: M-huh.
S HARMON: Is Michael Kirby (sic/sp).
6 SHULTZ: Okay. I'm gonna ask ya, uhm, we talked on
1 Tuesday that as were you going to school you knew that the Trench
8 Coat Mafia, T-C-M, people all parked in the same plaoe.
9 ~¥'ON: M-huh.
10 SHULTZ: Let's go back to that. T· ... tell me what you
HARMON: It was ... Eric ... okay. When the ... there' s ,
IS there's the school, the commons goes like this then the stairway
16 where my friend was killed, Rachel, comes down like this. Eric is
11 the very first parking spot and then it's Dylan, and then there's ... r
18 can't remember who drives the blue car, but there's the blue car,
21 ••. usually parks the first car. What kinda car did he have?
22 HARMON, He has a two door gray Honda Prelude with bumper
n stickers on the back. r can't even remember what kind.
24 SHULTZ: Okay.
25 HARMON: I think it's got a sunroof.
l' SHULTZ: Okay. And then anything else you can remember
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HARMON: I know he had, I know he had bumper stickers on
2 it •..
3 SHULTZ: Okay.
4 HARMON: ... uhm, it was kinda ... it wasn't really shiny.
5 SHULTZ: Okay.
6 HARMON: A gloomy (sic) kinda car.
1 SHL'LTZ: And then who parked next to Eric, the next ...
8 HARMON: Dylan. "
9 SHULTZ: .. . space?
17 H1IR}lON: ... and two big ... he had two speakers in the back
18 of the window.
19 SHULTZ: Okay.
zo HARMON: An' no tinted windows on any of the cars.
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right now, but he was also part of them. Now I jus' can't remember
2 his name. He was also a senior and his car was also there that day.
3 SHULTZ: I was gonna go back there, but let's, let's go
4 through, uhm ... okay. On, uhm ... and I'm sorry, four door Buick?
13 though.
15 line? And jus' ... eh (sicl, did they always park in the same order?
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HARMON: Ohm (sicl, I can't remember his last name right
2 now. But it was Brian Sargent (sic!sp}.
3 SHULTZ: Erian .
4 BRYANT: Erian .
5 SHULTZ: Sargent.
6 BRYANT: Sargent.
7 HARMON: The one with the white four door Honda Acoord.
S He's the only one out of all of 'em who has tinted windows.
II SHULTZ: ask .
12 BRYANT: white .
18 HARMON: Yeah.
19 SHULTZ, you told us last time that he had tinted
21 HARMON: Yeah.
23 HARMON: An' so that, the ... Dylan and Eric and that other
25 SHULTZ: Okay.
4 BRYANT, Okay.
8 BRYANT: Okay.
10 parking?
27 parking?
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HARMON: No, some juniors get ...
2 SHULTZ: Okay.
3 HARMON: ... in there.
4 SHULTZ: Alright.
5 HARMON: An' then ...
6 SHULTZ: So Nate is behind, uh, Brian Sargent's car?
7 HARMON: Yeah, pretty much ... yeah.
8 SHULTZ: Okay. What kinda car does Nate drive?
9 HARMON: He drives that big white Ford truck.
10 SHULTZ: Okay.
11 HARMON: Big an' rusty.
12 SHULTZ: Alright.
13 HARMON: (Unintelligible) Firestone [unintelligible).
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we got outta the building that the sho- ... some, some shooting start,
2 started ...
3 SHU"TZ; Let ...
4 HARMON: and ...
5 SHULTZ: 1et' s go through that. trhm, first, first is
6 the entire day until you return, as if I understand what you told us
7 today ... until you returned from lunch you didn't see anyone of these
15 HARMON: Yeah.
16 SHULTZ: ... Tuesday? Okay.
17 BRYANT: Except for who?
18 li.?;RMON: I think I saw Nate. I think I might' ve saw Nate.
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HARMON; I'm almost positive because he's always sitting
2 there with Mike anQ everybody. He's friends with a bunch of kids ...
3 BRYANT; Do they ...
4 HARMON: in that class.
S BRYANT; take roll in that class?
6 HARMON; In every class we got bubble (sic) sheets that
7 turns into the attendance.
S ERyANT: Okay.
9 HARMON: We' got calls every night if you miss a class.
10 SHULTZ: Okay. So, what, what I'm hearing is all the guys
II that are normally in the, the, uh, video class, and all the guys an'
12 gals, whoever, that associate with Trench Coat Mafia who are normally
13 in the creative writing class were not there, but you remember seeing
Nate at the beginning of .
IS HARMON: Of .
16 SHULTZ; , , .vd deo . . ,
17 HARMON: , .. my .. ,
IS SHULTZ: , .. class?
19 HARMON: ... video class ... yeah.
20 SHULTZ; What happened to him?
21 ¥.1'.RMON : I don't, I don't know. I think he might have
22 that hour off, I don't ... r don't know...
23 SIrULTZ: Was, was .
24 HARMON; what .
SHli'LTZ; he in . JC·001·006528
HARMON: happened. ,.
27 SHULTZ: video class?
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HARMON: He's got different hours. He's got second hour
2 video I think.
3 SHULTZ, Okay.
4 HARMON: He ...
5 BRYANT: He's in a different video class than you?
6 HARMON: Yeah, but he always waits for Dylan and talks to
7 him.
8 BRYANT: Okay.
9 HJ>..RMON: But I think he might have that hour off, but I
10 don't ... it's, uh ... 1 jus' don't understand how he could be like .. ,why
II he'd be coming back to school. I think he's got that hour off too or
12 something (unintelligible).
13 BRYk'IT, Okay. You don' t ... okay.
SHULTZ: So what I'm hearing is he may have third and
15 fourth hour off?
16 HARMON: Yeah.
17 SHULTZ: Which would be, .. normally you'd be in third hour
18 in video ...
19 HARMON: And fourth hour. , .
20 SHULTZ: ... and fourth hour in creative writing ...
21 HARMON: Writing ...
22 SHULTZ: ... but you think he has both those two hours off?
23 HARMON: Fourth hour he doesn't have off, but he mighta
24 have fifth hour off, I don't know. I'm still confused about him.
25 BRYANT: 'Kay. k'"ld your lunch is what, between, between
fifth and sixth, or between ...
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1 H1'.RMON: Oh, there's two different lunches. The first
2 lunch where I have lunch and Pauline has school store, uh , we get
3 outta class at eleven fif- at eleven ten and, uh, everyone's gotta
4 be back at twelve fifteen first ola· ... yeah, class starts at twelve
5 fifteen.
6 BRYANT: And ... okay. And the other lunch is at what time?
7 HARMON: It starts at, uh, twelve 0' five until ... 1 think
8 it's between one (PAUSE I hold on a second... Twelve 0' five
9 to ... thirty five ... to twelve forty.
10 BRYANT, To twelve forty?
II HARMON: Yeah,
12 BRYANT: So twelve 0' five to twelve forty?
13 !tAR.v,QN: Is when 1 (unintelligible).
, BRYANT: Is the lunches normally like how many minutes?
15 HARMON: Thirty-five.
16 BRYANT: Thirty five minutes?
11 HARMON: Yeah.
18 BRYANT: Okay. And you have first lunch?
19 HARMON: Yeah.
20 BRYANT: Okay. And do you know ... you said the ... which
21 lunch Pauline would have?
22 HARMON: She'd be lunch ... 1 have A lunch so ...
23 BRYANT: So this first lunch is A lunch?
24 HARMON: Yeah, and ...
BRYA."IT : B, B ..
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HARl-10N: ... 1 .
27 BRYANT: . .. lunch?
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HARMON: ... Pauline works A lunch while I have, while I
5 HARMON: Yeah.
6 BRYANT: Okay.
9 starts.
10 SfrJLTZ, So everybody has either A or B lunch?
15 SHULTZ: Okay.
18 SHULTZ: Gotcha.
19 BRYANT, Yeah.
n HA.Rr-!ON: I .
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H1'.RMON: (LAUGH) This is ...
2 SHULTZ: okay.
3 HARMON: ... really confusing.
4 BRYANT: He had fifth hour off?
S HARMON: I think he has fifth hour off ... yeah.
6 BRYANT: How many <::1- ... uh , classes do you get off during
7 the day? Do you ... 1 mean ...
g HARMON: Do I? Uhm ...
9 BRYA.~: Which hours do you have off?
10 HARMON: I have sixth and seventh.
II BRYANT: Sixth and seventh off?
12 HARMON: Yeah.
13 BRYANT: Okay. $0, when you were coming back from lunch,
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SHULTZ: And for how long are gonna be there till?
3 forty.
4 SHULTZ: Okay.
5 BRYANT: Okay. It's a pretty good schedule.
6 HARMON: Yeah.
8 How..• did you ever talk to him about Trench Coat Mafia or what his
9 life was like, or anything like that?
12 nothing. Uhm, he was ... he always bragged about how much money his
13 parents had. Always bragged about everything.
SHULTZ: M-huh.
15 HARMON: An' he didn't get all that good of grades, I
22 SHULTZ: Okay. You had ... did you have any conversations
25 that ... why a- ... r, I, r don't understand why ... r always used to tell
" him that I didn't understand why their stories were so negative. An'
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he just k Lnda didn't really say nothing about; it. Jus' like ... he
S HARMON: Uh, they would never tell, they would never say
9 what they did over the weekend. They would always jus' say, uhm ... r
10 think Dylan would always say that they're gonna, oh , it's Friday
11 night, we're all gonna go get drunk or something ... 1 don't know,
you know more about what Nate said or did then you're telling me.
15 HARMON: No. I can't even rem- ... Nate really didn't even
16 talk about what they really did much. He said they hung out, but
11 I ...
IS SH"ULTZ: What sorta ... they hung out. What did they do
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SllULTZ: I mean ( i- ... we're not, .. like I said( if you're
2 scared, if you're concerned about, ya know, uh , holding information
3 back, anything like that, uh , that's not appropriate because if we
4 need to we can protect you if there's some information you need. But
5 I am getting a sense that you're not telling me everything, okay.
6 Uhm, and I really need ya to get past that, okay.
7 HARMON: Hmm.
8 SllULTZ: What did Y: .. . what did Nate tell you about what
9 they did?
10 HAR."lON: He j u- he didn't re- ... no one would really go
11 into details. Uhm, no one like they were keeping a big secret.
12 SllULTZ: M-huh.
13 HARMON: No one would really tell anybody what they did
really. He just said that they would go do stuff.
IS SHULTZ: What ... but what do you remember them saying?
16 I he- ... I hear from you they're not telling you everything they're
17 doing, but they're telling you something.
18 HARMON: That they ... yeah. That they hung out all weekend
19 long. Like he told me the weekend b- ... like over the weekend while I
20 was talking ... telling m- ... that he had hung out with 'em all weekend
21 long and they played games. And he doesn't tell me what kind of
22 games ...
23 SHULTZ: Okay ...
24 HARMON: ... (unintelligible) .
25 SllULTZ: ... and I'm sorry. Was this Monday when he was
7~ talking to you/ before the shooting or was this.~.
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HARMON: Yeah, it's Monday. ! was like what'cha {sic) do
2 you over the weekend, he's all., .uh, he was all, ya know, we went to
3 prom (unintelligible). We just hung out all weekend long an' .
4 BRYANT: Did you go to prom?
5 HARMON: Yeah. They all went to prom and Nate wasn't even
6 gonna go to prom. And they decided at the last minute they were
7 going to prom.
8 llRYANT: Do you know why he went to prom?
9 HARMON: Uh, he said that his date decided at the last
10 minute.
11 BRYANT: Who, who was his date?
12 HARMON: Some Stephanie girl.
13 BRYANT: Huh?
HARMON: A senior also, I don't ...
15 BRYA.~: Stephanie?
16 HARMON: Yeah. Some Stephanie girl.
17 BRYANT: Did, did you see Eric an' Dylan at the prom?
2 he ..•
3 BRYANT: Okay, but. ..
4 HARMON: · .. went .
5 BRYANT: ... you ...
55
HARMON: Uhm, they were jus' ... 1 really ... ! mean, ! didn't
2 talk or anything.
3 SHULTZ: What did you see?
4 HARMON: Uh, they were just hanging out by the, kinda by
5 the doorway.
o BRYANT: which doorway?
7 HARMON: Oh, the doorway to the gym coming out ... Domin'
8 towards the gym.
9 SHN~TZ: Did you see there cars that night?
ill HARMON: Ohm, no 'cause I parked up in the, in the lot and
11 they parked downstairs so I didn't see their cars that night. But I
12 thir~ they took a ... they took a limo. Nate was with 'em for prom.
13 BRYANT: Do you think they ... think who took a limo?
HARMON: I think Eric and them took a limo, 'cause I think
15 Nate ... I think Nate said he, he, he went with them.
16 BRYANT: Okay. Did you see them there the whole time or
17 did anybody, ya know, like go out on a smoke break or Something? Did
18 you try ... can you ...
19 HAR.'IION: No.
20 BRYANT: ... smoke ... did you take a smoke break?
21 HARMON: We're not allowed to.
22 BRYANT: Oh, not allowed to so ...
23 HARMON: Uh- huh.
24 BRYANT: ... you have to stay in. Did you see them there
25 the whole time or not?
HARMON: Huh-uh. I jus' saw them (unintelligiblel ...
27 BRYANT: Did ...
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HARMON: ... (unintelligible) .
6 started at one, I think. The probl- .... probably saw 'em around one
18 as far as the prom or after-prom party? Like were they at the same
19 place?
24 HA.'1.MON : The. . .
6 was at the school. It was mainly in the main corridor by the main
1 office, mainly down there. And the gym and that's it.
II through a maze.
12 BRYANT: Okay.
21 BRYANT: Oh .
25 BRYANT: Okay.
2< SHULTZ: Before, uh, one o'clock were there, that you know
4 food and they finish setting up what they need to do, And they, they
6 SHULTZ: Okay,
7 HARMON, And view what's there.
12 HARMON, Yep,
13 BRYANT, So it went through the eighteenth then?
HARMON, M-huh.
16 HARMON: M-huh.
17 BRYANT: (Unintelligible), Okay. Do you have any other
l' uhm , he, he just quit not too long ago. He was" .ne didn't start
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BRYANT, And when you say Eric didn't dress that way?
2 HARMON, M-huh.
3 BRYANT: Okay.
4 HARMON: He had, uhm... he's really quiet. Uhm, I, I can't
, really think (WHISPER - unintelligiJ:>leJ. I think I went to school
6 with him just eighth grade till now.
1 SHULTZ: M' kay.
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HARMON: Uhm, I asked him something about Rammstein
2 (sic/sp) . Uhm, it's that group I told you about and about how they
4 that say do, do hah (sic), do hushma (sic) and I asked him what it
6 SHULTZ; M-huh.
7 HARMON, And that's one of their like favorite songs they
HARMON: K-M-F-D-M.
15 BRYA."IT: K-M-F-D-N?
16 HARMON: D-M.
21 like the initials meant 'cause there's like a special thing that, uh,
23 BRYANT: Okay.
24 HARMON: An' he, he was saying that they were coming
2~ him about his hat and I asked him that, that Monday. Uhm, I can/ t
21 really r emember . . .
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BRYANT: So you did ...
2 SHULTZ:
3 BRYANT: · .. see him Monday then?
4 HARMON: I saw him Monday, yeah.
5 SHULTZ: And his hat, if I remember right, had ...
6 HARMON: K-F-M-D-M.
7 SHULTZ: · .. K-F-M-D-M on it?
8 HARMON: M-huh. He always wore that. He always wore
9 that.
10 BRYANT: Which part of his hat was it on?
11 HARMON: On the front.
12 BRYANT: On the front?
13 HARMON: Yeah. And they never curved like when they wore
hats. ~,lan did, but Eric when he wore his hat ... like you know how a
15 lot of guys they curve the bill ...
16 BRYANT: M-huh.
HARMON, · .. Eric's hat wasn't curved. Dylan wore his hats
18 backwards and I think it blue with a B on the ...
19 BRYANT: Okay.
20 HARMON: He wore his hat backwards and Eric didn't.
21 BRYANT, Okay. ~~d what color was Eric's hat?
22 HARMON: It was black with K-M-F-D-M in white.
23 BRYANT, Okay. And Dylan'S was blue with a B?
5 T'..lesday?
6 HARMON: No. We really didn't talk that much . I just
7 said hi to him. I wasn't ... thsy got mad at me one day. They were
8 all making fun of me or something because I went in there and I
9 didn't know that they listed to Rammstein stuff.
l() BRYANT: M-huh.
12 around with the song and stuff and they were sitting there calling me
13 names, cow girl an' being weird to me an' I dunno.
SHULTZ, Okay.
is HARMON: But I mean that ... that's all the time they were,
16 they were just playing (unintelligible I , but they weren't ... they
17 really talked a lot. They really ... they didn't really talk to really
2S along with. I mean, I've never seen anyone pick on them. I never
'< have. Uhm, I didn't see it. Can't think of anyone picking on 'em at
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all. I don't even think I really even seen 'em tioked (siol at all.
4 killing jocks?
5 HARMON: Nope. I don't remember seeing that.
19 said that they make ... they tend to show up for a class and then
20 disappear.
21 HARMON: M-huh.
24 SHULTZ: Did they ever ... did you ever see any work that
23 they did in that video class?
24 HARMON: I saw one video.
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where, uhm, you look at somebody and like ... 1 look at him, he looks
2 at the rock, and then he comes up to the rock and I get him. And
3 they did something where Eric and all the guys are all lined up in
4 the bat- ... in the bathroom, going to the bathroom looking at each
5 other. Or something, I don't know.
6 SHULTZ: And that's the only work that they did that you
7 remember seeing?
8 HARMON, Yeah, I can actually remember seeing. I don' t
9 think they ever really shared anything.
10 SHULTZ: Did anybody else talk about any of the other
11 videos that they made?
12 HARMON, Uhm, no, not really. Think I really ever saw any
13 of the video. We never really like shared our videos. Now, if they
were really good then Mister Talacco would have us (~~intelligible),
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65
HARMON: It's called a looking video. It was our
2 assignment from our art resident.
3 BRYANT: Okay.
4 SHULTZ: 'Kay. How 'bout Dylan, how much ... do you ever
5 talk to Dylan?
6 HARMON: Mmm, I said hi to him. Uhm, he gave me cookies.
7 BRYANT, When was that?
8 HARMON, Uhm, probably a month or two ago. Uhm, he gave
9 me an' Nate an' Eric and Becca cookies. Uhm, and Ms. Kelly told him
10 to put it away. I mean, he always ... they were never really mean to
11 me. Dylan was always ... they were always pretty nice. He was really
12 quiet. Uhm ...
13 SHULTZ: Why do you think that was?
HARMON: 'Cause no one ever really ... everyone was scared
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(THE RECORD SHOULD REFLECT BACKGROUND NOISE)
2 BRYANT, ... (unintelligible) things ...
3 HARMON: M-huh.
4 BRYANT: One person tells something ...
5 (THE RECORD SHOULD REFLECT BACKGROUND NOISE)
6 l'lRYANT, ... (unintelligible) where you got a whole bunch
7 of people. Somebody tells somebody something and it goes from this
8 person all the way down ...
9 HARMON, Yeah, it's ...
10 BRYA1'IT , and ...
II HARMON, like (unintelligible).
12 BRYANT, it's totally different by the time it gets to
13 ya. So, you'll hear things that are not true, but the things we were
telling you earlier when we had a meeting about, uh , talking to
15 oounselors and talking about it is good. Ya know, like you had ... ya
16 know, you, you see SOme people on T-V and some people, ya know, are
17 not on T- V. You have the right. to t.alk on T· v, you have the right
18 not to. You don't have to do that.
19 HARMON, M-huh.
20 BRYAl'lT, And, uh ...
21 SHULTZ, Well, have you seen any of these ~Jys that are in
1 HARMON: Yep, he was talking about it. And then I saw Joe
13 BRYANT, Okay.
18 HARMON: Uhrn, he just said that they knew that, that, that
19 all the police knew that they were doing bombs ... uhm, p- ... pipe
20 bombs ...
21 SHULTZ: M-huh.
22 HARMON: ... an' everyo- ... all the ... there's a police
23 officer that knew that they were doing it. Uhm, but he didn't ... they
24 all studied Hitler, but it didn't really go into the ...
25 BRYANT: Did you know that they were doing anything with
bombs or anything, before this happened?
27 HARMON: Muh-uh.
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ERYANT, Okay.
2 EAIU'lON, No.
3 BRYANT: Who else besides Pat MCDuffy and Joe, did you see
4 on T-V who's a T-S-M (sic), or T-C-M, I'm sorry. Get the letters
5 right here. Did you see any girls?
6 HARMON, Paul ine .
7 BRYANT, You saw Pauline?
8 HARMON: I saw Pauline.
9 ERYAN'T: What, what did you see on Pauline?
10 HARMON: I told ...
11 BRYANT: Oh, yeah, that's right. You were telling us.
12 HARMON, Yeah, she was sitting in a white truck. She's in
13 a ...
(THE RECORD SHOULD REFLECT THE END OF SIDE ONE OF THE AIJDIO TAPE)
15 HARMON: ... (unintelligible). Uhm ...
16 SHULTZ, Did you ever see ... do you think that truck was
17 one that you've seen before, or was it hard to tell?
18 HARMON: I don't think I seen it. It's a white Chevy S-
19 ten.
20 SHULTZ: Okay.
21 BRYANT, oh ,
69
HARMON: He's like tall and. skinny. He's kinda got like
2 Dylan's cheeks are really skinny. He's got like kinda sunken in
3 cheeks and he' .. got cheeks like that. He's got longer hair like
4 Dylan, except for he, he flicks his hair back and put a it in a
5 ponytail.
6 BRYANT: So, so he looks kinda like Dylan?
7 HARMON: Uh, yeah. Kinda like Dylan.
70
SHULTZ; Did ya,
2 HARMON: Yep.
3 BRYANT: Yeah. r knew it was either you or John ...
4 SHG'LTZ: Okay.
5 BRYANT; ... mentioned it, but r was wondering did you
6 say ... do you know where he's going to school this year or anything?
7 HARMON: No, I don't know where he's going this year, but
S I told you about that Ricki Roth (sic/ep) girl an' that.
16 Chatfield.
17 BRYANT: Okay.
18 HARMON: She's a senior too. And she gets into that
19 gothic stuff too. She was dating like, she dated a vampire an' ...
20 BRYANT: And she goes to Chatfield. You know anybody else
71
SHULTZ, Joe ... okay. How ... when was the last time you saw
i HARMON, Uh-huh.
8 SHULTZ, Okay. How old does he look to you?
12 SHULTZ, Have you ever seen anybody hanging out with these
18 anybody (unintelligible).
19 SHULTZ, No, I understand that you d i dn ' t hang out with
~ 'em after school, but I'm asking ...
21 HARMON, I .
n SHULTZ: just throwin' it out there.
23 ~~ON: I know they were friends with Mike Kirby (sic/spl
24 and Robert Craig (sic/sp), but Robert's ...
25 BRYANT: Mike ...
,~ HARMON ~ .. ~ dead. JC-001 .. 006554
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~N: Robert Craig, Robert (unintelligible).
2 BRY~"T: Qh, he's the one that's ...
3 HARMON: Committed suicide.
4 BRYANT: Right.
5 SHULTZ: Tell, tell me about Mike Kirby. We kinda went
6 over that briefly. Ohm, sorry. I know this is takin' a long time.
7 BRYANT: Yeah.
8 SHULTZ, Tell me, when you said he was trying to recreate
9 something about Robert Craig ... tell me about that.
10 HAR}10N: Uhm, they were all like ... they were in their IiI'
II groupie thing and Robert told people ... Robert also got good grades.
12 SHULTZ: M-huh.
13 HARMON: And Robert also had long hai (s i c) , and he also
wore black an' a trench coat too.
15 SHULTZ: M-huh.
16 HARMON: Uhm , they've all had Ms. Kelly as a creative
17 writing teacher an' ...
18 SHULTZ: M-huh.
19 HARMON: ... uhm, Robert would tell everybody ... like at
20 parties and stuff, he would just tell everybody that he was gonna
21 kill his dad an' he was gonna kill him because he was taking, uh, his
22 attention away from his mom. He was getting all the attention that
23 he used to get from his mom taken away.
24 SHULTZ: okay.
25 HARMON: So he's gonna plan on taking his ...
SHULTZ: Dad or stepdad?
27 HARI'iON: Kill, kill his stepdad. Jc-001.006555
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SHULTZ, Stepdad? And, and he ...
2 HARMON: (Unintelligible) ...
3 SHULTZ: ... told you it because stepdad was taking all of
4 room/s affections, attention?
5 HARMON: Yeah, that's what he was telling people ... yeah.
6 SHULTZ: Okay. At any ... did you hear him say that?
7 HARMON: I didn't really like ... I ... he, he told my, one of
8 my friends that.
9 SHULTZ, Okay.
10 HARMON: Uhm, but never like me personally.
11 SHULTZ: okay. And so where does ... so, so we know Robert
12 e- ... ended up killing his stepdad and then killed himself.
13 HARMON: Uh-huh.
SHULTZ, Where does Michael Kirby fit in?
15 HARMON: Uhm, Mike was Robert's best friend. And Mike s-
16 ... he wasn't ... 1 don't ... he wasn't in Trench Coat ...
17 SHULTZ: M-huh.
18 HARMON: ... but he was friends with all of 'em.
19 SHULTZ: Okay.
20 HARMON: Uhm, he also wore K-M-F-D-M shirts all the time.
21 He never wore metallica or anything like that. Uhm, he was also a
22 really good kid. He was also involved in D.E.E.C A.
23 SH'uLTZ: Okay.
24 HA.'ZMON : Uhm ...
25 SWJLTZ: And when you said he was trying to recreate?
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HARMON' Like they were kind of redoing kinda in Robert's
2 footsteps. Kinda like it was ... kinda like a dedication in a way, ya
3 know what I mean:
4 SHULTZ, Okay. So what did he do to do that?
5 HARMON, Do what, do what?
6 SHULTZ, To, to sort a follow in Robert's footsteps, what
7 did you see?
8 HARMON: Oh, with all the boys?
9 SHULTZ: Yeah, or Mik" Kirby.
to HARMON: oh, Mik" wasn't really like that. He wasn't
11 negative at alL Mike was a ... he was just friends with them. He
12 wore K-M-F-D-M stuff. He got the same stuff as they did.
13 SHULTZ: Okay. What does Mike Kirby look like?
~~ON: Uhm, he is Caucasian.
15 SHULTZ: Okay.
16 HARMON, He's got blond, blond hair. He's probably about
17 five nine. Probably weighs around a hundred and seventy, hundred an'
IS eighty pounds. Uhm ...
19 SHULTZ: What's the length of his hair?
20 HAR."lON: Huh?
21 SHULTZ: How long is his hair?
22 HARMON, Uhm, well, for a while there it was like kinda
23 clean cut. came down, but then afterwards ... after R- ... Robert killed
24 himself, he had a spike ...
2S SHULTZ: Okay.
7' HARMON: ... HI' spike thing.
27 SHULTZ: Recently, what's it been like?
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15
HARMON: Uhm, actually he graduated last year.
2 SHULTZ: Okay.
3 HARMON: He got a D.E.E.C.A. scholarship.
4 SHULTZ, So we don't know what?
5 HARMON: Yeah.
21 stocky. She probably weighs about one fifty. I'm sure her hair is
22 about to right here, little under shoulder length. It's like, uhm,
23 strawberry blondish tint.
24 BRYANT: 'Kay. Did you see her Tuesday? Was she around
25 Tuesday ...
HARMON: Nuh-uh.
2 Tuesday, and we haven't really dealt with it here. Uhm, but you said
3 you saw somebody else when you Came back to the school who was
4 associated with Trench Coat Mafia. Who ...
9 coming back ... what road were you on when you're coming back to the
10 school?
11 HA.'<MON: Uh, when I left the school his car was gone.
12 SHULTZ: Okay.
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whafter (sic) the teachers told us to go back home and turn on the
2 news, his car was in the lot and that's the only white four door
3 Accord in the senior lot.
9 HARMON: Yeah .
10 BRYANT: Okay .
18 windows.
19 BRYANT: Okay.
25 BRYANT: Okay.
27 parks it?
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HARMON: Yep.
Z SH"JLTZ: OkaY·
3 BRYANT: When ...
4 SHULTZ: An' ...
5 BRYANT: · .. you came back ... I'm sorry. When you ...
6 SHULTZ: Did you ...
7 BRYANT: · .. came back from lunch could you see his car in
8 the lot or you see it in line?
9 HARMON: N- ... when r was in the ... when I was coming. , .when
10 r was trying to go back to school and they wouldn't let us.,.
11 BRYk.'IT: Dh-huh,
12 F-AR."lON : ... he was back in that line somewhere. r thought
13 r saw him from my rearview mirror.
BRYANT: Okay. But did you see him in his car or just saw
15 his car?
16 HARMON: Well, if he's in line he's gotta be in his car,
17 SHULTZ: On" .the, the question is did you see the driver
18 of the car ...
19 BRYANT: Yeah.
20 SHULTZ: · .. who was in the car?
21 BRYANT: Did ...
22 HARMON: r just. ..
23 BRYANT: ... did ...
24 HARMON: ... saw his car, ,.
25 BRYANT: Okay. You didn't see ...
,-
HARMON: ... in the mirror.
27 BRYANT: ... okay· Just saw his car?
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HARMON: Yes. So he's (unintelligible).
2 BRYANT: (LAlJGlll
3 SHULTZ: Okay. Uhm, (SIGH) you don't have ... you have your
4 notes from the other day?
5 BRYANT: Yes, 1 do. 1 have the report as well as notes.
6 Which one?
7 SHULTZ: Well, I was trying to remember.
8 BRYANT: probably can read that easier than you can ...
9 HARMON: Do you ...
10 BRYANT: (unintelligible).
11 HARMON: have to type all that?
12 BRYANT: Oh, not me personally.
13 HARMON: Oh, but people type that stuff?
BRYANT: Yeah, I had a secretary. You guys type your own?
15 Uhm, he types his self ...
16 SHULTZ: Which is why I didn't type it.
17 BRYANT: I dictated mine an' ...
18 SHULTZ: (LAUGH)
19 BRYANT: ... I didn't have time to type it up. Do you
20 type?
21 HARMON: Yep.
22 BRYANT, Do you take computer classes too?
23 HARMON: Nope.
24 BRYANT: Okay. Do you know i f these guys ever talked
25 about the computer or anything? Have you ever heard 'em talk about a
computer?
27 HARMON: Dylan wore an A-O-L dot com [sicl shirt.
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BRYANT: Okay. Dylan wore an A-L ... A-O-L dot com...
2 HARMON: Shirt ...
3 BRYANT: · . . shirt?
4 HARMON: ... yeah. And I can't J:'emem- ... he had ... I think
5 he had two of ~ern.
6 BRYANT: Oh (sic).
7 HAR.'10N, There's one that said A-O-L dot com an' then
8 another said something else about it on the internet.
BRYANT: Eu- ... lout you ever hear him say anything about
"
10 computers or anything, or computer names or anything?
1I I think I might've, but I'm not for certain.
12 Okay. That'S okay. Do you ever get on the
13 int ernet?
HARMON: I used to until I goe a computer viJ:'us.
15 BRYANT: You got a computer virus ...
16 HARMON: Yeah.
17 BRYANT, · .. at home or/ or at school?
19 ... you ... you're watching the news. You saw it in the parking lot ...
20 HARMON: M-huh ...
21 BRYANT: ... on the news. Yeah.
22 HARl~ON: Yeah. I thought I saw it behind me in the line
23 as, as I was going. I thought I did.
24 SHULTZ, Okay ...
25 BRYANT: Okay.
SHULTZ: ... and I remember you telling me you saw his
V car ... 1 thought I remembered you saying that he was ahead of you, but
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then you left ... you came back and you saw his car was in the senior
6 you saw it when you came .back , but you said you had saw it on T-V
1 lacer.
8 HARMON: M-huh.
9 SHULTZ: Okay.
10 BRYANT: Okay. I, I really ...
11 SHULTZ: One ... okay. So, so you saw the car in the line
12 behind ya, could you see anyo~e or anything that was in the car?
13 HARMON: Muh-uh.
SHULTZ: Okay. Did you see it again when you turned
15 around and left?
16 HARMON: Uh , yeah .
19 BRYANT: 0- ...
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HARMON: I heard someone talking about how, how, uhm, they
2 had ... how one of the kids said there was a white ... uh , there was a
3 guy in a white shirt that was shooting.
4 BRYANT: Okay. A guy in ...
5 HARMON: That was ...
6 BRYAJ.,\'T: ... a white shirt shooting?
7 FJ\R."ION : Yeah. And someone identified him as
8 (sic/sp), but I can't remember who told me that. But we're
21 HARMON: Yeah.
22 BRYANT: ... good word. Okay. Let's see if John's still
23 out here.
24 HARMON: Should I go or should I stay in here?
25 SHULTZ: Go ahead. Thanks.
2n {THE RECORD SHOULD REFLECT BACKGROUND CONVERSATIONS.)
SHULTZ: It's now, uh, sixteen forty-two hours.
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2 CONCLUDED AT THIS POINT)
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,!lARRIS, JEREMY
JC-001·006571
Control No. 3975
Action Taken: The RA contacted Jeremy Harris by telephone. Harris told the RA that at
the time of the incident, he was off campus at lunch. Once Harrisfound out about what
was goingon at school, he did not return to the school. Harris does not know anything
about the incident and does not know eitherone of the suspects involved in the case.
Harristold the RA that he does not have a computerand doesnot have a screen name nor
an ICQ number.
Harris did not have any other significant information to share regarding this case.
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HARRISON, DUSTIN
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GOLDEN POLJ;CE DEPARTMENT
CONSBEET - REPORT NARRATIVE
JC..o01·006574
I Officer Supervisor
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WITNESS;
DUSTINHARRISON, 008/05·02·80
7761 West Quarto Drive
LilllelOll, Colorado80 I 28
(303) 979·9518
Student: Columbine High School during the 1998/1999 year
INYESTIGAnON:
On 6-22·99, .1 approximately 1430 hours, J spoke with witness DustinHarrison by telephone in reference to the shootingth.t
occurred on 4-20·99 at Columbine High School. Dustin was. student during the 1998/1999 school year at Columbine High
School.
Justin Harrison laid me on 4-20-99 he arrived at ColumbineHigh School at about 0800 hours to go to his second hour class.
Dustin saidhe enteredColumbine HighSchool through the double doorslocatedin the hall areajust south of the "RebelComer:'
whkh Ison the lower level of the high school. This door that he entered leads into the area of the "Rebel Comer" and then into
the commons and cafeteriaof ColumbineHighSchool. Dustinsaidafter enteringthe school on 4-20·99. he proceeded to go up
the stairway to the secondlevel into his "Worldof Work"class.which is locatedin thearea of the counselingoffices in the Home
Resource Sectionof Columbine HighSchool. Dustinsaid this is near theadministrative offices at the main entrance on the east
side of the school. Dustinsaid he got out of his second hour class at about 0910 hours. then went to his gym class until about
1035 hourson 4-20·99. This class is also on the upper levelof Columbine HighSchool. Dustinsaid after leavinghis gymclass,
he Went to his Philosophy class until appro,imrely 1115 hours on 4-20·99, Dustin said after this class he talked to Mike
Bierman outside of the Philosophy class briefly, then exited the schooland met a friend of his in the senior parking lot. Dustin
said this friend's name is Chris, however, he could not remember Chris' last name. Dustin said as Chris and he were exitingthe
parking lot of ColumbineHigh School in Chris' vehicle,he "heard a pop," hUI he did not think anything of il. Dustin 'aid he
heard only this one "pop" as they were exiling the parking 101. Dustin said they drove southbound on South Pierce from
Columbine High School to eat lunch at the McDonald's locatedat WestCoal Mineand South Pierce. Dustin said when they
Tied to return to Columbine High School, they were unable to do so due 10 the police presence in the area of the high school.
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Dustin said they droveto Chris' house,and then 10anotherfriend's noose in the Normandysubdivision, Dustin said this friend's
name is Phil Wolf,
DustinHarrisonsaid DylanKleeold and Eric Harriswere in his Philosophy class during the last semester of 1999at Columbine
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High School,howev...., lie could not rememberseeing them in !hat classon 4-20-99. He said he did see Dylan Klebold and Eric
Harris on 4-20-99at about0900 hours walking in the hallwayofColumbine High School and lie said he said "helto" 10 them.
Dustin said he did not noticeanything differentabomDylanKlebold or EricHarrisin the way they acted. He said Dylan Klebold
and Eric Harris were talking and seemed happy and in a good mood.
Dustin Harrison told me that he has known Dylan Klebold and Eric Harrissincethe 7th grade when rheyall attended KenCaryl
MiddleSchool together, Dustinsaid during that time period.theywere all friends of each others. Dustin saidafter middle school
-nd In EricHarris' freshman and sophomore years at Columbine HighSchool. he would describeEric Harrisas being"preppie:'
.!USlln said after Eric Harris' sophomore year, Eric Harrisbecame "Gamic," however, he did not recall seeing Eric Harris wear
make-up. He said Eric Harris dressed in black clothing, a blacktrench coat, and "German" shim. He said Eric Harris had
variousT-shir.s that had German words written on them. He did not know what the German words were or what they meant.
He also said Eric Hams would wear a black hal with while lettering and the letters possibly being "KEF" on me front of it.
Dustin said Eric Harris "Idolized Hitler" and said Eric Harris"was into suffering."
Dustin Hamson said during the time frame of Dylan Klebold's sophomore year at Columbine High School. h. turned Into"
"disassociated person." This time frame is also when Dustin Harrison said he quit associating with Eric Harris and Dylan
Klebold. Dustin said Dylan Kleboldwould dress In black clothing,to include a black trench coat, black T-shirts. black pants.
and black military bOOlS, Dustinsaid h. recalledOne of the T-shirts Eric Harris would wear was black and had "Mega Death"
on the from of it, Dustinsaid he has witnessed"jocks"harassing EricHarris and DylanKlebold about their clothing. Dustin said
in fact he badteasedthem about their styleof clothing, but said lie did Itgood naturedly, becausehe bad knownthem for several
years. Dustinsaid while Eric Harrisand Dylan Kleboldwere in his philosophy class. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold wouldtell
the class how they had dreamsabout killing people and abOUI shootingpeople.
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Dustin Harrison said when Eric Harrisand/or DylanKleboldwould getharassed or picked on in tIlelrschoolclasses,the teachers
did not care if they got harassed or not and would not ensure thatthisharassment quit. Dustin said he has never been a "Trench
CoatMafia" associate. He said the "Trench Coat Mafia" S1Udents would IlSUally stayto themselvesand wouldselect a table near
the teacher's lounge. which is on tile west side of the Columbine High School cafeteria. Dustinsaid tIlatthe "TrenchCoat Malia"
students at tills table would playa card game called "Dungeons and Dragons." He said there were usually about five "Trench
CoatMafia" students togetherplayingthis game and saidone of theplayers had blondhair and woreeyeglasses. Dustin saidthis
student's name is possibly "Zach." Dustin stated he does remember there being any female "Trench Coat Mafia" students,
however, he was not sure,
DustinHarrison said on 4-20-99, afterthe shooting, he first thought of. . . . somebody who may be a shooter. Dustin
said_ _'scared me to death" because Dustin had heardt h a t _ w a s a memberof the "Hells Angels" satanic
=up and said that this satanic group is into human sacrifices. Dustin said that _ was very verbal about hi' desire
kill people. Dustins a i d _ h a d bad acne and bad body odor. He said that. . . .lwayswore black. clothing
I asked Dustin Harrison if he saw the duffle bag and/or the propane tank later recovered in the cafeteria of ColumbineHigh
School, He said not that he could remember,
I asked Dustin Harrison how he has beendoingsince the incident on4-10·99, and hesaid he has beendoing fairly well. ! advised
Dustin that if he wished to speak with a lCSO Victim Advocate in the furore to contact me and r would make tbe necessary
arrangements for him, He also said that he would contact me in !he event that he located any further Information tnat may he
pertinent to this case.
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INVESTIGATION:
On 06-14-99, I was assigned lead numbers 3976 and 3977 to interview Jerilyn Harrison and Jonathan Harrison. stndents of
Columbine High Schoo]. Upon contacting !be Harrisonresidence at 6316 South Newland Court on 06-14-99, at about 1400
hours, I learned that they had additional siblings attending Columbine High School, includingJamie Harrison.
'1n 06.14-99, at about 1420hours, I spoke witbJamie Harrison. Jamie Harrisonstated on 04-20-99, she had been attending a
banquet at the Welshire Irm and had nolactually returnedto the school. She stated she had changedher mind and decidedto
visit her boyfriend instead.
I asked Jamie Harrison if she knew either Dylan Klebold or Eric Harris. She stated she had seen Klebcld, but stated she had
never seen Harris. I asked Jamie Harrison if she had heard or seen anything prior to the incident Or since the incidentthat she
thought may be of assistance. She stared she bad not,
Upon returning, I discovereda lead bad alreadybeen set to interview Jamie Harrison referencecontrol number 3467,assigned
to Investigator nave Brooks. I contacted Investigator Brookswho stated he had tried on numerousoccasions to reach Jamie
Harrison,but that she would not return his calls.
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Littleton,Colorado BOI23
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INVESTIGATION:
On 06-14-99, I was assignedlead number 3976 to interview Jerilyn Harrison, who wasa Columbine High School srudent On 04-
2()'99, and was assigned hA" lunch. At the same time. I was assigned lead number 3977 to interview her brother, Jonathan
Harrison, who was also assigned to "A" lunch.
Again, at 1054 hours,I made a call to the samenumberreceiving the same information. At 1100hours, I checked the RlvIS in-
housecomputer system,and could find no additional information for either Jonathanor Jerilyn Harrison.
On 06·14·99, at about 1400 hours, I went to the listed addressof 6376 South NewlandCourt. At this address I spoke with.
female who identified herselfas Jerilyn Harrison. She statedthat she had been in a language arts class with Mrs. Boback. Jerilyn
Harrison Slated her classgot out at 1110hours,and she leftthrough the mathhall and out the main entrance of Columbine High
School. near the main offices. She stated she did not see or hear anythingunusualwhen she walked outside. Jerilyn Harrison
walkedacross the street and to her home residencefor lunch.
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or heardanything priorto the incidentor sincethe incident whichmightbe of assistance to us, and she statedshe had not. Jerilyn
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While at that location, I also spoke with other sisters, JessicaHarrison (control #4210) and Jamie Harrison (control #3467).
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ADDITIONAL WITNESSES:
Steven Heimmer, doblll·20·SI
6202 South Ames Court
Littleton,Colorado
(303)795-5872
INVESTIGATION:
On 06-14·99, I was assigned lead number 3978 to interviewSteven Heimmer, who was a Columbine High School student on
04·20-99, and had "A" lunch,
On 06-14-99, at 0945 hours, I attempted to contact the home phone numberof Steven Hetmmer, (303)795-5872, I spoke with
Steven Heimmer, who stated he had been at Columbine HighSchool on 04-20·99, He stated he had left the campus for lunch,
.e stated his last class prior to lunch was math with Mr. Havens, Heimmerstated thar class got out at 1110hours, [asked him
how he exited the school, and he stated he went out the math hall, past the science, down the stairs, and out near the commons
door, 1asked him if he noticed anything unusual in the cafeteriaor commons area, and he stated he did not, He stated he left
with his friend, CJ Perry, in Heimmer's vehicle which was parked in the junior lot, space #0434, Heimmer stated he did not
notice anything unusual in the parking lot.
I asked Heimmer if he knew either Eric Harris or Dylan Klebold, and he stated he did not, I asked him if he would recognize
their vehicles, and he stated he would not, I asked Heimmerif therewas anythingelse he had heard or seen prior to the incident
or since the incident that he thought might be of assistance. 'M he stated there was nothing he could think of,
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INVESTIGATION:
On 6-9-99. at about 1145 hours, I had an opportunity to speak with James Helmsin reference to the Columbine incident that
occurred on 4-20-99,
Uponcontacting James, he was asked if he was in the cafeteria areaat Columbine HighSchoolfor lunch period"A" on 4-20-99
Jamestold me that he left school et about 1110 hours withhis friend, Joe Dreaden, andhe wasn't present at the schoolwhenthe
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morning, where he attended hi' regular scheduled classes. Jameswas asked whathisfourth period class was. He told me he has
Algebra, which is taught by Ms. Layman and he was released from thatclassat about 1110 hours, andafter being released from
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near Clement Park. After leaving the high school the two of them drove to Stephanie Hart's house, located on South Upham
Court in Columbine West. James proceeded to tell me that he had originally planned on not attending school on 4.20-99 and
told me it was a national holiday fur marijuana smokers and if he could have found somebody to ditch with him that day he
wouldn't have been at school. James was asked if he was in the cafeteria area at the high school on 4.20-99. He told me after
he arrived at school that morning, he went down into the cafeteriato look for his friend, Nick Kunselman, in an attempt to get
Nick to ditch with him, James was unable to find Nick. at which time he attended his regular classes for the day.
At the completion of the interview, I verified that James was not present at the school during the shooting incident. He had left
prior and that he did not observe any gunmen while at school or after he left, nor did hear any gunshots or explosions.
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On 5-24-99 I contacted Hendricks' mother who told me that Hendricks leftCHS after the first semester and
has been attending utah State University. Hendricks did have an economics class with Harris and Klebold
during the first semester anddescribed them as always nice to her "but different". Hendricks never
socialized with either of them.
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that right aftet the Columbine !lIloolillg, *_ WllIl:bing CNN, (but it oouId ha"" beee.....1ber ilWi<>n)
andshe saw .llirl with tiJls$ in her eyel1row lIIIlIe<l Bree. Ske said that sllo saw Broe'sliltber and his"""'"
is VtclllrPasquale. On tbe show she was WlItcl1ing, B.... said ske was in thlllibrary and besl!<d the. white
male, 1lll1lled Morgan not to shoot her, HOIll!ry said that shetIloughlloson or maybe it was Morgan bad
lived down the street ftom Bree. Heodry ~ that the slIoorer. tlither J...... at DyI8l1bad eitber• stage
"""'" of Morgan or bad played the role of Morgan in. stage produc:tioa
Mrs. Heodry saidthat she also _ _ another show tll8I shethoughtwas 20110 and that she saw •
gorgeousbnurettellirl orying itIller IMag room On Ibis show the girl whi>pered.. '!bere', one more, I think
he was blonde, I saw the piClUltO. oftile orb« 8l'Y' ond they do.'t havethem all,' M"l. Hendry said that
this llirlJived down the sIreel from JlIllOO and that she was easily re<ognizlod because ,he looks like• soap
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Bus: (303) 706-7617
INVESTIGATION,
On6-9-99, at about 1205 hours, I contacted witness Karen Anne Henry by telephone. This was in reference to theshooting that
occurred at Columbine HighSchool on 4-20-99.
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Karen Henry advised me that she is an exchange student from Australia and has only been at Columbine High School since
January of '99. Karensaidshe iscurrently residing at 7360 SQUlh Sheridan Courtandher guardian is BettyGlass. Shesaidshe
will be leaving for Indianashortlyand didnot providea forwarding address or phone number at this time.
Karen Henry advisedme that on 4-20-99she leftColumbine High School at approximately 1115 hoursand wentto themall.
where she remained untilapproximately 1130 on 4-20-99. Karen said at 1140, as she wasexiting themall, sheheard some people
talking about how therehad been a shooting at Columbine High School that hadjust occurred. Karen said when she returned
or triedto return to Columbine High School she was unable to getintoitdue to the police presence in thearea of thehigh school,
Karen Henry advised me shedidnotknowDylanKlebold orEric Harris prior to this incident, nordid she know anyone who may