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The TOOTH Summit
Cavity-Free Conversations
with Dentists, Doctors and Health Heroes
December 1, 2012 www.toothsummit.com
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Dedication
This book is dedicated to those tooth truth seekers who dared to pierce the layers of periodontal drama to bring about a healthier, simpler, better world of wellness for us all. May all keep their teeth.
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Introduction
In a world where mouth wash and window cleaner bear a striking resemblance to one another, its a good thing there are people like the guests of the TOOTH summit who have come together to bring sea salt and common sense, to bring baking soda and botanicals to an industry couched in myth, mercury, cavitations, gum disease and root canals and big bills to pay for them. The modern dental industry is drilling holes into mouths that could be healed. People are spending fortunes for dental work that they could avoid with good nutrition and a few simple, natural solutions that restore health of the mouth, which after all is simply reflecting the overall health of the body. May these interviews and tools be a powerful platform from which you begin to take back control over your mouth, your health and your life. Love and cavity-free kisses, Tera and Nadine
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Table of Contents
TOOTH Summit Interview Transcripts Charlie Brown Daniel Vitalis David Wolfe Dr. Kate Rheaume-Bleue Dr. Lina Garcia Dr. Stuart Nunnally Hal Huggins Patrick Timpone Ramiel Nagel Victor Zeines TOOTH Summit Nutritional Recommendations Tooth Truth Menu Planner Basic Recipes 165 168 7 20 39 57 68 84 98 117 130 147
Breakfast 172 Lunch 180 Dinner 182 Articles and Further Reading Recommended Resources Speakers Contributors 208 201
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Charlie Brown
It is time to get to the tooth truth and if there is one person who can make that happen it is Charlie Brown.
is the National Council of Consumers for Dental Choice. And Consumers for Dental Nadine: It is time to get to Choice has a wonderful and truly informative the tooth truth and if there website, which can be found at www. is one person who can make toxicteeth.org. that happen it is Charlie He is also the president of the World Brown. A legal hero in the Alliance for Mercury-Free Dentistry. Charlie crusade against mercury, Charlie Brown is a spearheads the national campaign to end graduate of Yale Law School, has appeared of the use of mercury-based dental fillings before the Supreme Court and was twice due to their adverse health, environmental elected attorney general of West Virginia. Mr. and occupational effects. In a well-organized Brown is the author of First Get Mad, Then multi-year campaign he brought mercury-free Get Justice: The Handbook for Crime Victims. dentistry into the mainstream by challenging
Transcript of Nadine Artemis and Charlie Brown
We are speaking with Charlie Brown today the three main forces that protect toxins as he is a major force in the movement to in the mouth, the state dental boards, the eliminate mercury amalgams. Charlie Brown American Dental Association and the FDA.
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In 2008 Charlie Brown achieved the distinction of besting the FDA in court and the FDA had to rewrite its website to give warnings about silver amalgams and to agree to classify amalgam by a certain date. When the FDA reneged on its agreement in 2009, Mr. Brown lead one of the best grass roots campaigns ever to bring the agency back to the table to reconsider its rule. In 2010 Charlie Brown founded and currently leads the World Alliance for Mercury-Free Dentistry, which is an assembly of nongovernmental organizations from all over the world united to phase out amalgam across the planet. Thank you so much for being here today. Charlie Brown: Nadine Artemis, thank you very much and you certainly are educating people in Canada and the United States and around the world in a lot of things, but particularly in the area that I know about, the area of keeping yourself healthy in the mouth. And a healthy mouth and a healthy body and a healthy mind are all very, very interrelated.
rid of major mercury uses of all types. So the starting point is mercury is incredibly toxic. So why is safe in the mouth? And the answer is it probably is not safe in the mouth, it is not safe anywhere else, it cannot be safe there. From there we realized how quantitative, I mean we grew up, we thought well, these are silver fillings; they are not mercury, they are silver fillings. And that was a big cover-up by the Canadian Dental Association and the American Dental Association to make us not know they were mercury. I mean what person is going to say for their child or themselves, sure, Doc, give me some of those mercury fillings. So they created the charade that they are silver fillings. Once we realized they were mercury, once we started seeing the environmental harm, it became more and more of a slam-dunk that this is not something that any modern dentist would ever want to put in anyones mouth. Nadine: Absolutely. And then it is amazing when I look at your work and the history of silver fillings, that there was actually like a gag rule enforced by dental boards that prevented dentists from telling their patients that silver fillings are filled with mercury.
Nadine: Yes. So I am so interested to know how you came to understand the extreme health and environmental issues with mercury Charlie Brown: How else could they achieve and how you became so passionate as to the continue to make those quick and easy lead the way out of this mercury madness. profits. The American Dental Association had patents on amalgam. I mean this was a nice Charlie Brown: Well, thank you. First of all the whole thing was profitable for dentists. it does not take a rocket scientist to know There is a dental school joke, drill, fill and bill. that mercury is quite toxic. We all know that. We all have learned that. We all have realized Nadine: Right. that mercury is being reduced in use. We all had mercury thermometers. The term Charlie Brown: They make the quickest and mercury referred to the degree of Celsius or easiest profits by doing the mercury fillings. Fahrenheit often, but we also are aware that They do not charge the most, but they make mercury is disappearing in thermometers the most per chair per day. Now how can for example. It is disappearing in many other something that toxic be so cheap? And the uses and the reason is of course it is so toxic. answer is because the rest of us pay for the damage caused by the pro-mercury dentists. Indeed there is a treaty being negotiated by the nations of the world to find a way to get They dump the mercury in the water, the water rate payers pay it. They keep the mercury
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in the mouth, the funeral directors have to build equipment to stop the crematories from leaking mercury. So they pass the cost they pass the cost to the taxpayers when they dump the mercury all in the streams and the waters and in the land. And they pass the cost onto people that get sick by having vegetables that have mercury in them because of the sludge. The sludge a dentist have put the mercury in the water. Or the fish because the mercury methylates and the children eat the fish.
Nadine: Wow. And so there are still millions is it per day or per year going into peoples mouths? Charlie Brown: Millions a year, still. Nadine: Yes.
Charlie Brown: We have got a thousand in the U.S. there is a thousand tons of mercury sitting in peoples mouths. Canada with about one-eighth the population would probably have one-eighth of the 1,000 tons sitting in peoples mouths. So the starting point is So all the harms of mercury are being paid let us not put more in. You know that is the for by the rest of us, while the profits are starting point. being eaten up by the dentists, who are basically the ones that have decided they do Nadine: Yes. not care about the environment. And that is Charlie Brown: That has got to stop and it is the ones who still use it. I want to say to their not stopping because the system continues credit, half of Americas dentists in North to reward this, and you have leaders are both America, probably half or close to that have uninformed and leaders that actually have stopped using amalgam. I give them credit. some real clear conflicts of interest. I mean But the other half have decided that they like Canadas Chief Dental Officer is a man that to practice dentistry like they did before the draws a salary from you Canadian taxpayers American Civil War. and yet goes to the Mercury Amalgam Treaty Nadine: Yes, that is amazing. And is it true Talks and negotiates for the World Dental that one will get the most exposure do Federation. Goes and tries to help create an you know what I mean, like will be exposed exemption. to mercury the most through their fillings. It is not about the seafood, it is not about So all the harms of mercury industrial waste, but literally the stuff sitting are being paid for by the their head. Charlie Brown: That is what the Canadian rest of us, while the profits government says, the largest exposure of are being eaten up by the mercury non-workplace exposure if you were a man or a woman who worked in a dentists, who are basically mercury mine or mercury industrial use or the ones that have decided a dental office a dental office where there they do not care about the is mercury is in the air everywhere, your exposure may be greater in the workplace. environment. But for those of us who do not work around mercury, the largest exposure according to the Canadian government is the mercury While he draws that nice paycheck from you all, he goes to these nice resort cities where amalgam fillings. Yes. the treaties are being held and works for a
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special interest group a special interest group that is trying to exempt amalgam from the treaty. So you are not only not getting your moneys worth from your Chief Dental Officer in Canada, but he is actually working against you because he is trying to protect the continued use and the continued profits of mercury in dentistry.
to address dental mercury. And the answer is let us get it down to zero. Let us have a phase-out plan, a timetable and end the use of mercury in amalgam. Believe me it will be a cost savings for Canadian taxpayers and U.S. taxpayers, and taxpayers around the world who are subsidizing a very wealthy health profession, dentistry.
Nadine: Wow. That is so good to know. And Nadine: Yes. That is great advice. And this what ? conference will be is the World Alliance for Mercury-Free Dentistry? Charlie Brown: Well, time to write the MP, huh? Charlie Brown: The World Alliance for Mercury-Free Dentistry is what you would Nadine: Yes. Time to write the MP. call an NGO, a non-government organization. Charlie Brown: Time to ask your MP why the And at the treaty when the nations Chief Dental Officer is working the other side meet for a treaty all the non-government of the street while he is on salary. He is not on organizations are allowed to attend if they an hourly, he is on a full-time salary in Ottawa are certified and they sit in the back. The nations sit in the front and negotiate it. It is a there. So anyway. treaty of nations, it is not a treaty of groups. Nadine: Right. That is amazing. I was going to And they have committee meetings and they ask also what people can do at a local level. are hammering out a treaty. So that is good to know about Canadians. There have been five sessions, four sessions And what about people in the U.S.? so far the fifth one in 2013 will address, and Charlie Brown: Well, in Canada as well, you with finality, the language in a treaty. At the can try to get fact sheets in your province or end of that session hopefully they will be done state or city, that is in the State of California because the plan was to do five meetings, and in several of the New England states five sessions. At the end of the session, this in the United States have laws. The City of one being in Geneva, Switzerland, there will Philadelphia does as well; it has a law that be a draft treaty that will hopefully address requires consumers to be told. They are all aspects of mercury. And that is yet to handed a sheet of paper and it says here are be hammered out. This meeting will be the risks of amalgam. So you can get fact determinative, we think. sheets. That is one thing. After that the world will have an agreement, Two, you can ask your country to go to the not a formal agreement but a draft Mercury Treaty Talks, and the next round is agreement on how we are going to reduce, in January, that is just a few months away in phase down, phase out, whatever, all major Geneva, and the United States and Canada uses of mercury. Hoping again one of them both send delegations there to ask your being amalgam. government to support the phasing out of At that point, with that world agreement amalgam. Get that into the Mercury Treat. with the delegates having agreed, these The Mercury Treaty has a lot of aspects, but are just the delegates representing the one of the aspects will be how are we going country, the matter comes home to the
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federal governments, national and federal governments, and they make a decision whether they agree with what their delegates have done and then comes the treaty signing, which will be in Japan, Minamata Bay, Japan. And there is a reason for that. I can explain why it is there. And the treaty will be signed late in 2013, in October.
of the United Nations starting in 1948, they sat down to negotiate a Declaration of Human Rights. What are the rights including rights for women, rights for all minorities or the right to due process, the rights to civil rights, the right to employment, and of course banning slavery and all these steps, which unfortunately still existed then, and this report suggests maybe even now. And Then the issue will return to the parliaments all these great declarations. and the congress, where the parliaments will decide whether they approve the treaty for But it was hammered out through a several their country. And once something like 50 year process with the leader being Mrs. countries that will be decided how many, Roosevelt in the United States. But the but once the treaty will say it will take effect United Nations staffer was John Humphreys, after X countries sign it, 40 or 50 or 60 or a Canadian. The staffs were not any size like something. Then we actually have a treaty. they are now. Remember this was the early And we have an enforceable treaty among years of the United Nations, it had just one all who signed on and then we want to keep major staff person. But they ended up with a getting more and more to sign on. treaty or declaration, but it was like a treaty. And I thought, you know if they could figure But we are starting with really every country it out 60 years ago, let us roll up our sleeves in the world is coming to this treaty. I mean and do the same thing. everyone but, you know there may be a few island countries that cannot afford to send Nadine: Absolutely. And where does the FDA anybody. But basically every country is stand now since you brought them back to sending representatives because this is such the table in 2009? a horrible toxin that the nations of the world want to address it and protect their children. Charlie Brown: Well, the Food and Drug Administration continues to waiver and to We all want to. make promises and then we cannot tell, Nadine: That is awesome. What an incredible then we are encouraged and then we just process. It just shows how deep it is in the get let down, frankly. And it has happened system. through a pattern repeatedly since 2002. The most recent was in 2011, when the Charlie Brown: Yes, it is intricate. It is certainly Food and Drug Administrations Center something I did not know about. I mean to for Devices director, Dr. Shuren and we watch the kind of wonderment of a treaty, I have this on YouTube, stated that FDA was really had the kind of I do not know, pleasure, reconsidering the amalgam rule. They did whatever, Nadine, of trying to review what is formally advise that. a treaty like? How do they do that? And he said we will make an announcement The book I read was a case study of the by the end of 2011 and we will tell people what Declaration of Human Rights, the Universal the policy of FDA will be. And that would Declaration of Human Rights lead by suggest that FDA was really reconsidering, Eleanor Roosevelt and a Canadian named and was considering and going to adopt John Humphreys and leaders from China, something different, or he would not have Lebanon and France. In the very early days promised an announcement, or he would not
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have said there would be an announcement. The media confirmed that. That is a reporter from the Chicago Tribune called Dr. Shuren, he confirmed, yes, we will make the announcement by the end of 2011.
conservative. And it is this very group that the FDA handpicked who told FDA twice, in 2006 and 2010, you are wrong on amalgam.
So it is continually discouraging that the agency simply does not want to ever concede The FDA did not. They just did not make any it did something wrong. And on amalgam, I announcement. They just sat. They continue mean FDA is very worried about mercury in to sit and people continue, unknown to them, other uses. They do not allow mercury to be to get a mercury filling when they think it is used in any medicines that go into a horse or a silver filling. And it is just why FDA FDA a dog. All the veterinary the whole Center used to say well, we will wait on our scientists. for Veterinary Medicine says no mercury for Well then the scientists told the staff they ourselves. were wrong. Nadine: Wow. Nadine: Right. Charlie Brown: Well, they have not determined Charlie Brown: And then they said well, we it is dangerous. They said mercury is are going to bring back the scientists the inherently so dangerous. So, you know I am scientists a second time. That was 2006, the just one of the kind that thinks children are first time the scientists came back in 2010 at least as important as horses and dogs. and said stop giving amalgam to children And why FDA has this zealous protection and pregnant women. So FDAs crutch, of the horses and dogs in America, and this which was well the scientists have not made repeated missed deadlines, broken promises up their mind, well these are FDAs own and mixed signals on mercury amalgam is scientists. These are the ones that the FDA, befuddling to say the least. the Food and Drug Administration appoints to advise them. Well, they are not going to Nadine: Yes. That is incredible. Do vaccines for dogs and horses not contain mercury? appoint wild-eyed radicals, I assure you. Charlie Brown: Yes, I think the vaccines, the Nadine: Right. FDAs defense, I think. Oh, yes, when they came back, well actually we do allow mercury And why FDA has this zealous in vaccines for horses, so well, okay.
protection of the horses and dogs in America, and this repeated missed deadlines, broken promises and mixed signals on mercury amalgam is befuddling to say the least.
Nadine: Oh, okay. Charlie Brown: But they pulled there was a horse salve there was something you would rub for the racehorses, you would rub it on their knee if they had like a sore, so he could run faster and it would heal faster. Well, mercury does in fact kill everything in its path, so I am not surprised it works.
We used to have mercurochrome. You know Charlie Brown: I mean they appoint when I grew up my mother would give me mainstream, cautious, pinstriped suit type it is this orange thing and put it on a cut professors, scientists who are between and it was mercury. Well, it worked except mainstream and highly cautious and
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it put toxic in your bloodstream too and so it did not work so well. Then FDA banned it. FDA banned that. So they banned anyway so this lotion was out for the horses, just rubbing it on their leg, rubbing it on a sore on their leg, not putting it in their mouths or near their brains or injecting it in their blood. It was just rubbing it on the sore and FDA banned it and said we will not allow any mercury products to be sold as a veterinary product.
Dental Association. They just absolutely I mean the FDA will take on the weakest of the weak, but not take on powerful interest groups. And I will give you an example. Recently they said one of the things that is banned, and for good reason, is mercury in skin creams. It is a skin lightener and one of the probably most tragic legacies of a world that is just, well, racist I guess in so many ways is many women of color are still putting cream on their faces to look lighter. And it is so sad they need to feel to do that. It is so sad they are doing it because there is no reason someone is more attractive because they are lighter in skin, there is no reason at all. But a lot of women are still doing that and this lightener often contains mercury. At the treaty it is a big issue. The African nations really want that banned. Nadine: Yes. Charlie Brown: The Africans leader absolutely do not want a mercury-containing skin cream in their continent. And the U.S. agrees with that. And the U.S. actually banned this product a long time ago. Well it still sneaks into the market in the United States. Still sneaks in from other countries, maybe it is made in the United States; I do not know. But the FDA issued a strong condemnation of any mercury in skin creams and skin lighteners because it is dangerous to be put on the skin. Well, what I am saying is it is already banned. I mean it is not like FDA courageously stood up to some drug company or some device maker. They stood up and said we condemn the use of an illegal product. Well, that is not exactly great courage, you know. So anyway, I mean nobody can sell or buy it anyway unless they are buying it on the black market. But FDA cannot stop that anyway.
So, yes, they allow it in vaccines. Again their exception to their exception. But they do not allow mercury in anything else that I know of for veterinary animals. At least that is the policy of the Center for Veterinary Medicine. But the Center for Devices, who has just carved out this massive exception to say we are not going to we are just going to not do anything about amalgam. We are just not going to we are going they actually do have a warning, but they will not tell the public. They put it in the buried it in their rule, the section that is called For Industry and Staff, and they say we do not know if it is safe for children. There is no evidence whether it is safe for children. That it, just telling industry and staff but not telling Americas parents. And that again, I mean it is indifference if not disdain for the very people that need to know.
So hopefully we get that into the treaty and stop its marketing country to country. And it is a big thing, but youve just got to consider FDA recently I mean they will not take on the putting it on the skin is certainly not as big a dentists, they will not take on the American
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risk as putting it inside the teeth where the vapors go are an inch from the brain and can go right through without even having a skin barrier. Nadine: Yes.
But you do have some success stories I think with certain states, certain counties that have banned the use of mercury in dentistry, and there is something I was reading today in Mercola about New York Dental School.
Charlie Brown: Yes. Yes. We are delighted. Charlie Brown: You know it is counter intuitive And that is a great message. Dr. Joe Mercola unless you look at FDA as saying well, we is just fantastic on this issue. are going to do the easy stuff. But we are not going to stand up to anybody powerful Nadine: Yes. because they push back. Charlie Brown: He continues to write about Nadine: Yes. We will take on the beauty mercury amalgam. He is fantastic on so many cream people, which are not very strong. But issues. I mean he gets the message out, he it is amazing too because when it is in your educates, but he also, you know motivates. mouth I mean transdermal is not good, but You often finish his column, you know you in your mouth you have got the mercury that are reading his column and you get mad as even, you know gives off more mercury only hell and you say what can I do, and Joe will when you are chewing, drinking hot fluids tell you want to do. and all that kind of stuff you do every day Nadine: Yes. with your mouth. Charlie Brown: You do, as you know, Nadine, Charlie Brown: Okay. Now that you are because you are an expert there. And, yes, mad enough, here is what you do. Call this the mercury does you look at mercury and government agency, write this letter, you it is shimmery, you just can see visualize know and so on. And he will do that. And it, you just see it is shimmery because the he really has been, to his enormous credit, vapors are coming off. It is the only toxic has really pushed the cause of mercury-free it is the only heavy metal that is liquid at dentistry in a great way and I am running room temperature and it is the most volatile many lead columns on it. heavy metal. And I say it is volatile meaning vapors are coming off and you can see that. It is liquid and shimmery and that is because vapors are coming off. The New York University Dental School has taken steps to go mercury free, amalgam free. They have announced to their students, do not use amalgam in the back teeth either. So it is in the mouth, that does not change. You never used them in the front, do not And so the vapors continue to come off and use them in the back, use substitutes. You yes, they come off faster when you drink may not use amalgam unless the professor hot liquids or grind your teeth or otherwise, specifically permits it. You will not be tested you know emphasize the teeth in a way that on amalgam, that is what students think it comes off faster. But it does not exit your about, will I be I tested on it. You will not be body, it goes some of it would, but some of tested on it. it goes into your digestive system and some So basically all these props, you know you of it goes tragically straight to the brain, and cannot use it at all unless the professor says. this is toxic stuff. You do not need to use it because you will Nadine: Yes, it is amazing that there is a system not be tested and we recommend you do in place to keep this toxic substance in place. not use it. So all those steps and the deans
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memo said we are going amalgam free. So it is a big breakthrough. We hope the other North American dental schools are paying close attention.
Poland, with a at least similar culture, although neither country will admit to being similar to the other one I am sure Poland and Russia, but nonetheless, Poland is a very heavy of amalgam. I do not know why, but they are It is not surprising that New York University, the heaviest per capita user in Europe. The NYU, is a path breaker, I mean it is in New two big users in Europe quantitatively are York. It is a major NYU is a major university in France and Poland. Half the amalgam half North America. So they may be a trendsetter. the amalgam of the whole European Union is We certainly hope so. We hope the best consumed in just those two nations, France students apply there, the students that you and Poland. know I hope the other students the other schools feel embarrassed and that they feel Nadine: Wow. left behind. Because if they feel left behind, Charlie Brown: So let us not say it is not they can go mercury free too. like we are moving at an even pace, it is not Nadine: Yes. That would be awesome. like you would say well, gee, we just have to all change a little or we have to change Charlie Brown: So that is a big development, this structure or whatever, it is a question of and you said other places. Sweden, Norway national will. What is the insurance structure? they have ended amalgam entirely. Then Scandinavians are done with amalgam. There is a company in Cleveland, an international company, Parker Hannifin, Nadine: Awesome. aerospace, defense, all kinds of manufacturing Charlie Brown: Other countries have very low of really hi-tech and quality products. They are use. Russia has almost no amalgam. Russia amalgam free. Their insurance reimbursement is this. If you are an employee and they have uses far under 10%, 6, 8%. 40,000 employees worldwide Nadine: Wow. Nadine: Wow. Charlie Brown: Mongolia, Vietnam is low. It is really not a question, gee, the high-income Charlie Brown: the amalgam is reimbursed countries do not have it. It is a question not at all. The composite is reimbursed whether there is a national will. Whether the 100%. So on your plan, if you want to get national will and the national culture favors a composite filling, Parker Hannifin will pay or opposes mercury amalgam. In Russia they for it. If you want to get an amalgam, they will not pay for it. Well, that is not too it just Russia is a very low user. does not take a great line of reasoning here to figure it out, the employees are choosing The MediCal program is the composite.
supposed to be neutral, but in practice it probably very much favors the mercury fillings. MediCal is their Medicaid, their low-income service.
Nadine: Right. Charlie Brown: They have a visionary CEO, Don Washkewicz, and they have decided to have as much as they can, a toxic-free workplace, toxic-free employees and it makes sense it makes sense for a business too. It is a wonderful environmental move, it is a wonderful health move, but it makes
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sense for a business. You want the men and than maybe any state, but has not it also women who work for you to be healthy and has retreated too. It is kind of a mix of plus Don understands that. and minus and the state has a long way to go. Nadine: Yes. That is incredible. And is it true in California that, you know children cannot Nadine: Yes. And can you tell us a bit about have mercury fillings put on them? Or is that being pregnant and having amalgam fillings just I am hearing [inaudible] and what that can do to the fetus? Charlie Brown: No. California, they still get mercury fillings. There is a warning there is a warning in the fact sheet that says they can be dangerous for children. There is a warning for employees, the dental nurses and dentists, saying that it can cause birth defects. Those warning are rarely posted in offices. The fact sheet explanation for children is in strong language, but it is buried in a very large fact sheet so a lot of parents may not see it. The MediCal program is supposed to be neutral, but in practice it probably very much favors the mercury fillings. MediCal is their Medicaid, their low-income service. And we have reports in the prisons in California that the prisoners are just mandated to get amalgam. Nadine: Wow. Charlie Brown: Where there is a dentist there, just a very gutsy, courageous dentist. He is from Ghana, a U.S. citizen, and he has been fighting the California Prison System, and said I do not want to put amalgam in my patients. I can work just as fast, I will do my work, I will do all the fillings required. I have the composite, I want to use composite. And the Bureau of Prisons is telling him use amalgam. So that fight is still going on. Nadine: Wow. Charlie Brown: Well, you just should not do that. Just absolutely. I mean the dentist should not I mean if it is a Medicaid woman, or the dentist is being told this is all I am going to do, you are much, much better off to get out of the office and do not get a filling. Just do not get a filling for a pregnant woman. Better not get a filling at all, but do not ever get mercury in your body when you are pregnant or feeling you will get pregnant. If the dentist insists and says that is all I am going to give you and you are in great pain, you are really better off to pull the tooth. And I mean that. It may not look as pretty, but I am just saying, it is just do not allow mercury in your body when you have a child in your body. Or remove it. Unfortunately you should not remove it either. You are just kind of stuck with it. But dentists love to work on women that are pregnant. They say they do not, but the Medicaid kicks in. They say they do less work on pregnant women, but we have seen memos from the California Dental Association that basically the memos of greed say once they are pregnant get in there and do all the work you can because Medicaid will reimburse you for everything. They will not reimburse you after she is done. So they will just go in and they are more likely to see a physician that will send them to a dentist, so mercury fillings during pregnancy for low-income women.
Charlie Brown: And he is being told to do one thing and he said I just do not want to do that, and I feel in California even the prisoner has the choice here, and if they want to use And soldiers, pregnant soldiers because composite, I want to give them that. So it is the soldiers in America and the prisoners California has kind of moved forward more in America are still getting mercury fillings. The Indian reservations, that is all mercury
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fillings on some of the Indian reservations, maybe all of them. I do not know about the First Nations up where you are, but it is probably not good. So there are situations that just a part of this is it is a bad system. But individuals need to just stand up to their dentist and say, doctor, I do not care what you say, this is mercury and common sense tells me it is not going in my child and it is not going in me. Nadine: Yes.
also what is missing from the system is that perhaps even most fillings you can prevent them. So that is important for people to know. What is also important because [inaudible] Charlie Brown: And, Nadine, you are the one to tell them and keep telling them that. Nadine: Thank you. Charlie Brown: They do not have to get just because the dentist says there is a cavity does not mean you have got to start doing the work. I agree.
Charlie Brown: So, if you have a child at the dentist, they say we are putting in you say Nadine: Yes. do not put in we have even seen dentists who put in a mercury filling even when told Charlie Brown: You let them do the work. Say I do not think I am ready. Let me just wait a not to. little bit on that. That is right. That is right. Nadine: Oh, my gosh. Nadine: Yes. Charlie Brown: So just stay with the child. Just stay with the child and say look, this is Charlie Brown: Then try to solve it yourself. not going to be an amalgam filling. And if Nadine: Yes. And I highly recommend people you do not trust the dentist, you are in the before they make an appointment to even wrong office anyway. call the dentist, and if they still have mercury in the office, find another dentist. We also give lots of resources for finding dentists and Charlie Brown: I realize dental care is hard to there is also Hal Huggins office that will give get in the United States. Maybe Canada too, you tons of dentists that are biological and maybe not. And I know a lot of people just will not use mercury. cannot seem to find a dentist. But it is just the amalgam is worse than no dental care at And then the other thing because I am sure as people are listening to you speak, they may all. feel like getting the mercury removed from Nadine: Well, luckily in this series we will be their mouths, and I just want to say it and Dr. talking to people and giving people methods Mercola has also tons of articles on this, but how they can actually prevent well, you do not want to just have it removed by obviously prevent cavities and even cure any dentist. You want to have the mercury them when they are early in the stages. And removed properly because all the mercury often if you are not in pain a cavity is not an can get unearthed and it can go through emergency issue. your body if it is not removed properly. Nadine: Yes. Charlie Brown: It is not. No. Nadine: So you can always wait it out if you are pregnant and you can work with diet and nutrition to actually have the dentin harden and not have a cavity anymore. So that is So it is very important that they follow proper protocols and you will want to be seeing like a biological or a holistic, a properly trained dentist in the removal of mercury. It is very important.
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Charlie Brown: You made two very important points. One is about removal. And removal is a serious process to get these grams these are not micrograms, these are grams. There is a lot of mercury in a filling. As much mercury in one mercury filling as there is in a thermometer. Try to visualize that.
Charlie Brown: That is right. You dump your thermometer or you dump the mercury from one filling in a small lake, the mercury would spread out enough, you would have no fishing because it would get into the fish. And so that is if it can be spread out that diffusely and be that dangerous, think about it in the mouth. And again, I am not trying to scare Nadine: Wow. those who have them, I am not urging people Charlie Brown: That is some serious amount to just take them out willy-nilly because it is a of mercury. So the removal is a major serious procedure. Our movement does not procedure and requires a dentist who knows advocate widespread removal. all the protection that you need, including That is an individual decision with the doctor, supplements before you go in there. And if the dentist, the consumer, but we are urging that dentist is ever using amalgam fillings everyone never to allow an amalgam filling in and putting it in someone else, then he or no matter how much if the dentist argues she does not have the respect for its toxicity until he or she is blue in the face, ignore them. needed to remove it. So never go only go Because if they are still it is really pre-Civil to a mercury-free dentist. But even then War dentistry. It is a primitive product. they have got to have a good protocol, and Huggins had a great protocol, no question. Dr. Huggins who is the pioneer of this whole Our movement does not movement.
advocate widespread removal.
The other issue you mentioned is yes, to say a dentist is not going to use amalgam in you, that is good. But why go to a dentist who uses amalgam in other children, say lowincome children. I mean the point is do not go to those dentists. Just do not go to a dentist who uses amalgam in anybody. He is putting mercury in childrens mouths, whether it is your child or not. Nadine: Yes. Charlie Brown: And so go to a dentist who never uses they call them mercury-free, but go to a dentist who never uses amalgam. That is the answer.
It requires the removal of good tooth matter. They have to create a bowl so they can pour that mercury in, that liquid mercury in. Whereas if you get the alternatives, it is a bonding. It is kind of like if you will, a chewing gum. You are putting it up against the you are cleaning out just the infection and you are putting it up against the cavity to stop it from growing.
The mercury amalgam, as I say requires the nice bowl extra use. Now that of course, taking out good tooth matter weakens the tooth, causes more problems later. And the one reason the American Dental Association Nadine: Yes. Absolutely. From what I loves amalgam is, it is the gift that keeps on understand too, so if the amount of mercury giving. It creates a lot of money for dentistry in a tooth is the amount of mercury in a in the future. thermometer, and what I understand is that if a small thermometer is in a lake, then that Nadine: Is it because those fillings kind lake would be prohibited for recreational of erode and then they have to go for that lake would be an environmental hazard. replacements and then maybe later a root canal kind of thing?
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Charlie Brown: Yes. It is because the tooth is started by being weaker. They have carved out good tooth matter, so a weakened tooth, you have actually weakened your own tooth by taking amalgam.
Nadine: Oh, wow.
Charlie Brown: I must say that is not exactly a tribute to start with. Let me just say that the measurement to start with is not exactly at the top of the line initially. And that is not Nadine: Wow. to say my profession, believe me, anybody that thinks of the mission of the American Charlie Brown: That is the starting point. Then Bar Association is justice, better go back and you have, as you mentioned, the contraction, see what they are lobbying for. Anyway but expansion thousands of times, it gets hot, it nonetheless, you know each profession is gets cold, it gets you know all these reasons what is the profession there for? To protect that metal is going to contract and expand its money, protect its interest. They are all like just incessantly for you. That will crack the that and that is why public interest advocates tooth. So you have those two reasons, a are needed inside and outside government weaker tooth to start with and cracking the to keep them honest. tooth and definitely amalgam leads to root canals and other lucrative procedures by Nadine: Yes. Yes. Well, we thank you for American dentists and Canadian dentists. keeping what you can honest. And for being out there and for working on behalf of really Nadine: Amazing. Amazing how it just all the entire world. So thank you. started I do not know how it just but, it is amazing, the intricate work you have to do to Charlie Brown: Well, thank you for working get us out of this mercury situation. So thank for Successful Self-Dentistry. We appreciate you so much. that very much, Nadine. Charlie Brown: Yes, well, the status quos a problem. I mean status quo everywhere is a problem and you have a whole vested group that has just made it. And remember there is a lot of money flowing through the American Dental Associations Seal of Acceptance program. Nadine: Thank you. And I do suggest everybody go to toxicteeth.org, and there are lots of videos and information there. And also the video of the smoking tooth, which is very good to see.
Charlie Brown: We have good information on our website, toxicteeth.org, and if you want The ADA has a pay to play program for its Seal to join us, write us, info@toxicteeth.org and of Acceptance, from toothpaste companies we will keep you on our email list. We are and so on. And they have a so-called scientific happy to keep people informed. committee, which is a rubberstamp. The company pays big bucks to the ADA to get Nadine: Great. Thank you so much. that Seal of Acceptance. And the ADA is an Charlie Brown: Thank you, maam. Bye. incredibly rich organization because of the massive corporate funding. The American Nadine: Thanks. Have a great day. Bye. Medical Association considers it unethical to endorse products for money. The ADA does not have the ethics of the American Medical Association, and I must say
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Daniel Vitalis
Daniel brings forth ancient wisdom to tune our health to the rhythms of nature.
Daniel is with us today to share his wisdom on ancient foods and ancient botanicals to Nadine: Our next guest is feed the teeth and nourish our oral ecology. wild. He is a leader in health, Hi, Daniel. Welcome to the call. nutrition and really wilding ourselves. Daniel Vitalis Daniel Vitalis: Hi, Nadine. Good to be with encourages us to get back you today. to our wilder roots, to experience invincible Nadine: I am so glad that you are participating health in alignment with our entheogenics because you have a great wealth of knowledge and biological design. about our more ancient ways, and it seems Daniel brings forth ancient wisdom to tune that we have kind of lost our way and it is our health to the rhythms of nature. He is the evident in our teeth. Because even though in creator of findaspring.com, a free resource this day and age there is a plethora of fluoride that helps people everywhere find fresh treatments, mouth washes, dental solutions spring water and he is a founding member and periodontal promises, there is still more of surthrival.com, a business dedicated to decay in the past hundred years than there has been in any previous century. What do producing regenerative metafoods.
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you think is the leading factor in the decay of of humans that are of the house. And there our teeth currently? is a lot of other domesticated creatures too, there is the domesticated dog, there is the Daniel Vitalis: All right. Well, you know for me domesticated cat, the domesticated cow. to talk about any subject that I end up being There is the domesticated lettuce and the interviewed about, I kind of come back to this domesticated broccoli and all of them are central theme, which is the central theme of similar in that they are all organisms who my work, and it is this. When we look back at have a root in nature but no longer live in where we come from and when we look back nature and now live isolated from nature. at human beings historically, what we see is that when we lived in a more natural setting Well, with that said, here is what is so and when we interacted with the ecosystems fascinating about it. It appears that the more around us in a more natural way, we were far we move towards domestication, or the healthier people. more of the house we become, the more our health breaks down. And one of the places And to draw an even greater distinction, and we can see that breakdown incredibly clearly this is a distinction I think that can challenge is in our teeth. In our dental cavities, in our a lot of paradigms and so I love to bring it dental arch and our overall dentition. up because I love to challenge paradigms. If we look back at what we could actually call Now you just brought up something I think is wild people when I say that I am talking brilliant here, which is that we see that that about the people who were hunter-gatherers is actually accelerating. So it gives us that who were actually incorporated into wild sort of classic hockey stick graph, you know environments. Now it probably sounds really where we sort of we see that about well, politically incorrect to say wild people, but actually first let us say this. Human beings, it I wanna go back a little bit and look at our is estimated today and fairly well accepted language just a big. in the anthropological and archeological communities, that human beings are about We often when we read the writings from a 200,000-year-old species. We also know the 1700s, 1800s, even early 1900s and we that the first domestication of food and the see how we as a culture were talking about first real domestication of people is only the indigenous people on this continent, we about 10,000 years old. constantly see this word savages. And that word savages is coming from the French Nadine: Wow. word, which is sauvage, which means wild. And the reason people used that word I Daniel Vitalis: Only 10,000 years. So this know that word is not appropriate today, but means for 190,000 years we are like a wild the reason we used that word was because it animal. And 10,000 years ago we start meant wild and we understood that we were to domesticate plants and we start to not wild and these people who were living in domesticate animals. And of course that was their natural environments were wild. And if not everybody on the planet, that was just a small group of people who started to do they were wild, then what are we. that. And it took a long time for that what I think that is an interesting question, well we call the Neolithic revolution, it took a long what are we? We are domesticated. And time for that revolution to take hold. And it if we are domesticated we should look at was much longer still until it really started what that word means, and it means of the to incorporate more and more people until household or of the house. So we are a form we arrive finally at the place we are at today
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10,000 years into that where almost everyone what a brilliant window into our physiology on the planet lives a sedentary life, hunter- because we actually get to look at somebody gatherers are almost nonexistent today. elses bones every time they smile. That has risen dramatically and precipitously in that last 100 years. I mean if we could go back imagine maybe if we could go back 100 to 200 years ago, we would still find lots of hunter-gather peoples around the world. Nadine: Sure. Daniel Vitalis: Now of course the Europeans had been highly domesticated for a long time and had spread their culture around the world. And in India we had big pockets of domestication, and in China and in South America. But there were still a lot of indigenous peoples. Today that is almost gone. Well, we have gone so full force into domestication and we so fully domesticated our diets and our lifestyle practices, what we are seeing now is that our bodies are actually so far removed from nature that they are completely breaking down and what we call degenerating. So, we are degenerating, which means we are not evolving or adapting anymore, we are doing the opposite thing. So if you could think of evolution as this process by which organisms become fitter and fitter to the ever-changing environment they are in. I do not mean survival of the fittest like organisms are competing with each other, that is not the paradigm I am talking about. But I am saying that evolution is this process by which we adapt and get better at living where we live. Well, we do not seem to be getting better at it; we actually seem to be breaking down. So it is like the opposite, it is like anti-evolution. Well, our teeth are this amazing window into our body and I know this is gonna probably come up a lot throughout the rest of this interview series. The teeth are modified bones that stick out of our body. I mean 10,000 years ago when we started the process of domesticating plants and animals and thereby changing our diet dramatically for the first time in our history, it is also the first time in human archeological records where we start to see problems with the bones. So prior to what we call the Neolithic revolution or the beginning of farming, we actually see that people in archeological records at least at least the bodies that we have been able to dig up and find fossils of, we do not see problems with the bones. We do not see any serious cases of arthritis or dental carries. We do not see
So, we are degenerating, which means we are not evolving or adapting anymore, we are doing the opposite thing.
Nadine: And the bones are larger, like the jaw. Daniel Vitalis: The bones are much larger and we call more we actually refer to what is happened to us as gracilation, so we have become more gracile, which means more slender and more dainty. But we were much more robust. We had like you mentioned, we had bigger skulls, we had a larger cranial capacity, which means our brain was larger. Our teeth were straighter, almost perfect almost all the time, and no cavities. And then what happens is we start farming and we see arthritis in the skeleton and we see cavities in the teeth. Nadine: Wow. Daniel Vitalis: So we are fairly certain that this change in diet has lead to the changes in our teeth. Now as this process progressed
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from 10,000 years until today, it got more and more extreme until it reached its sort of crescendo, which we are seeing now where most of the kids born today, we do not see those straight teeth anymore. We do not see that wide dental arch. We see and I think it is all very related by the way. For me, you know when we care for ourselves, for me it is not just self-dentistry, it is sort of like ears, nose, throat and teeth, right? It is all kind of very related. Nadine: Yes.
more tooth decay, it is leading to teeth that are not even positioned right in the mouth. And ultimately it is leading to teeth and arches that do not form properly. We actually are walking around with a kind of deformity that we try to disguise through orthodontic intervention. In other words we come in and we put braces on people to try to hide how seriously degenerated we are becoming as a species.
Nadine: For sure. And you are reminding me of some of the examples in Dr. Weston Prices work, Nutrition and Physical Degeneration, Daniel Vitalis: And what we see is that where he also highlights that we should have whole area, the entire upper palatine area is enough room for our wisdom teeth in our compressed so that we end up with nostrils mouth, but it is pretty much I mean if you that are a bit pinched off, kind of like the pug. met 100 people, probably 99 of those people I think the pug is a great example, it is like a have had their wisdom teeth removed. They dog who cannot breathe properly because of are not, you know extra teeth; they should be it is domestication. We are getting like that. in the jaw. And our teeth are getting more and more crooked, they are far more likely to decay And I love the example in his book of this far earlier than they ever have been. And 16-year-old that had Down syndrome and this process seems to be part of an overall was functioning at the rate of a four-yeardegenerative process that seems to be very old. And he worked with a I am not sure of related to us removing ourselves from nature. the technical name, but it was sort of like a bridge that went in his top arch to expand that And I just kind of wanna close that comment palate, and within six months the boy started with a quote that has really stuck with me. going through puberty. And before he could So this comes from Greg Hodgins, and he only play with blocks all day and within six is a researcher at the University of Arizonas months he was able to like take a bus, to go Accelerator Mass Spectrometry Laboratory a store, buy something, get change and go and an expert on the domestication of home. Because that was opening that up wolves, and he says this about wolves. and then accessing of course the endocrine He says essentially wolves have long, thin system and the pineal gland. So I mean it is snouts and their teeth are not crowded. And really amazing. domestication results in the shortening of I was also thinking maybe we are perhaps the snout and a widening of the jaws and a right now in like a post-domestication phase crowding of the teeth. So what he is saying is and I am not sure what the new name when you take wolves and you domesticate would be, but I think we have moved from out of them dogs, you end up changing the domestication, we are moving to something shape of their snout and crowding their teeth that is like processed and manufactured even together. beyond And this is the same process we see in our Daniel Vitalis: So well said. And, you know here own domestication. It is not only leading to it is 2012, the year where we were given the
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news that I think recently was it 30 babies were born who were the first genetically modified children at least publicly admitted. So we have now entered what a lot of people call post-humanism Nadine: Oh, God.
the central nervous system that sits on top of those bones. I mean our brain sits on top of that. Nadine: Yes.
Daniel Vitalis: And you know that is something you see with autistic children, Daniel Vitalis: which is where we leave there is a tendency in the autistic, again sort behind natural humanity and we move into of spectrum of symptoms for children to be a sort of bioengineered or even cyborg kind reaching up in their mouth and using their of world. Now, you know I understand that thumb pads to try to separate and push on a lot of us were raised and educated with a their palate. paradigm, especially the younger generation today, were raised in a paradigm where this Nadine: Wow. was seen as actually a goal. Right? Daniel Vitalis: Almost trying to make that space in their mouth. And I think that yes, of Nadine: Yes. course if we put pressure if we put the vice Daniel Vitalis: Post-humanism is like the goal. on our central nervous system essentially, We really and fully embrace the technology. we are gonna have some we are gonna Anybody who has that paradigm I just displace some nervous system problems. So offer this thought. Please note the one- this goes beyond just the issue is bigger to-one correlation between disease and than just hey, we are getting a lot of cavities, disfigurement and the embracing of those what is up with that. It is bigger kind of technologies. I mean there is literally a one-to-one, it is so obvious that the more Nadine: Oh, yes. That is like the last we move towards that stuff, the more broken Daniel Vitalis: But it is a great segue and it is down we become, not only as individuals but a great window into what is happening. And, as a civilization and as a society and really as you know you brought up Weston Price and a species. I just anybody who has not encountered So I agree with you. And, you know it is that book I often tell people actually with interesting because we see today this his because that is quite a thick tome and sort of ADHD complexes of symptoms I will say, you know you do not have to even in our children. A lot of it has to do with read Nutrition and Physical Degeneration, pharmaceutical drugs, a lot of it has to do just look at the pictures. with sugar, a lot of it has to do with artificial Nadine: Yes. lighting and all of these kinds of things. And we know that there is a lot of, you know we Daniel Vitalis: That is all you need to do and you get the whole you get the whole can pin this on one specific thing. concept. But who he was, I mean a brilliant Nadine: Yes. character during the time in history where Daniel Vitalis: However I think that one thing dentists were starting to fill teeth with we can see as another factor, another vector, mercury and that was becoming that very would be that squeezing of the palatine those mercury amalgam fillings mercury, bones, that shortening and squeezing of the silver amalgam fillings were becoming very sphenoid bone and ultimately that affects popular at that time.
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Interestingly it is where we get the quack because you know mercury it was not like we did not know mercury was toxic, mercury was probably the first refined metal of all. So we have known for literally centuries, centuries and centuries that mercury is toxic to the nervous system. So whenever somebody started to put it into peoples mouths, I mean that would seem that sounded crazy.
Nadine: Yes, it is like he almost caught it in time. I think it was in the 1920s. Daniel Vitalis: Yes, perfect timing. Nadine: Yes.
Daniel Vitalis: Right when there was just enough left and there was photography accessible enough that he could do that. Because again, how much impact do those And so the Germans had a term for we have photos have and you could imagine if he the term as well, we say quicksilver quick in had done that work in the, you know midthe old sense, which means living. So the idea 1800s, and that was all hand-drawn imagery, was mercury was like living silver because that also would not have had that impact. So it could move around, roll around. It was having the ability to look at those photos we liquid. Well the Germans word was more like actually have that like record now. quacksilver and so those who put mercury into mouths were called quacks, and that is Nadine: Yes. And he did he was an the reason that we today use that term quack extraordinary researcher. I mean he even got to talk about a doctor who is practicing or over 20,000 samples of butter from different who is doing a malpractice. We say that they regions to see like what is the magic vitamins in that fat that is allowing cultures to have no are a quack. It comes from this. cavities. So he was an excellent researcher. So Weston Price said hey, you know why instead of what do we fill teeth with, why So beyond sort of the type of diet, or like are we having to fill teeth? He of course naming diets because I think sometimes, you then went on a legendary expedition around know, just names and stereotypes come up. the world looking at as many remaining But what do you think is in the ancient foods traditional indigenous cultures that he could. that nourishes the teeth and bones and And he photographed their teeth and dental then what is missing in todays processed arches and compared them against the teeth foods? Or I mean even in those 1920s, I mean and dental arches of the generation who had it certainly was not as engineered as it is today. We did not have high fructose corn started to embrace Western ways. syrup then. But what do you think some of And what he found was that indigenous the differences are in the foods that were cultures and traditionally reared cultures available and that are available now? have near perfect dentition and do not suffer from cavities, that bone disease that we are Daniel Vitalis: That is you know I mean we all so used to. And he found that within two have known each other a long time, Nadine, generations of eating Western especially you know that that is a big question there. Western carbohydrate, refined carbohydrate There is a lot there; it is very loaded. So there diets that they began to have crooked teeth is a lot of factors, right? One of the factors is and that they began to lose their teeth due I think the factor that Weston Price focused on the most was that the types of fats that to cavities. were being consumed at that time and he And thank God he did that work because particularly focused on the fats that were in that work could not be done today because the bodies or the dairy products of animals. there is not enough we would not have the What he found was that those fats were a populations of people to look at today.
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solvent for lots of very important biologically active particularly vitamins Nadine: Yes. Daniel Vitalis: fat soluble vitamins, right? So what he found was that the diets of these traditional indigenous people were about I wanna say ten times higher, was it ? Four times higher in the water soluble, ten time higher in the fat? Nadine: Oh, wow.
of this in addition to a lot more water-soluble vitamins than us as well. So one was that they had a far more nutritious diet from the perspective of the actual vitamins that they were consuming. Nadine: Right. Daniel Vitalis: And he really did put a lot of focus on those fat-soluble vitamins. Now, one of the things that is happened today in our culture is that we have we went through this period it is sort of finally fading out and dying and I think it is fading out and dying because really because people are becoming educated finally, due to the more free flow of information. But what happened was we went through this little phase called the lipid hypothesis. And the lipid hypothesis said that fat was causing heart attacks. Nadine: Yes. Daniel Vitalis: And that was of course completely absurd because and the only reason that a myth like that could be propagated was because of that period in time where media had total control over information. And it could actually convince people of things that they could see that were not true in their reality, but media was just so new and amazing and paradigm forming that it was able to trick people. Nadine: Hypnotic? Daniel Vitalis: Hypnotic literally hypnotic and conditioning. So people have of course always eaten fats. And if we look back at our diet what we see is that not only have we always eaten fats, but that it is likely that for much of the world, fats were the dominant calorie source. In other words the dominant fuel that human beings ran their metabolisms on.
We can make energy from protein; it is not particularly healthy. Very few cultures have ever really tried to do that in a significant way.
Daniel Vitalis: I believe he said it was four times at least four times higher in fatsoluble vitamins. So what he found was that these fat-soluble vitamins, which are, you know vitamin A and incidentally I wanna say about vitamin A, a lot of people say oh, I get my vitamin A from carrots, I get my vitamin A from kale. It is not actually true. You get a precursor to that vitamin from plants, but plants do not actually contain vitamin A, they contain beta carotene, which is sort of a pro form of the vitamin, but is not the vitamin and the body still has to try to make the vitamin A from that substance. Nadine: Yes.
Daniel Vitalis: So he found that these people were directly eating these large amounts of vitamin A, far beyond what we have today as our RDA. He found that they were getting vitamin D, not just from sunlight, but from their diets, from this fat that they were Nadine: Yes. eating. Vitamin E, vitamin K, he found that they were consuming a tremendous amount Daniel Vitalis: Of course we have the ability to run on carbohydrate and fat. That is about
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it. We can make energy from protein; it is not particularly healthy. Very few cultures have ever really tried to do that in a significant way. We can make energy from alcohol, of course we know that that is very liver toxic to us if we try to do it that way. So essentially we are left with choosing between carbohydrate and fat as our fuel source and it is fairly obvious to most of us that fats were the dominant one throughout time. Sugars are not particularly available to human beings in environments that do not contain a lot of domesticated foods. So our natural diet was much higher in fats. And we were more in ketosis or fat burning than we were in burning sugars.
oils that come from canola, corn, soy and cottonseed, they started to get these polyunsaturated fats, which are essentially omega-6 fats. Fats that had never really made a significant impact on the human diet before. We started to and it was a convincing argument, like hey look how slippery and light these fats are. They would be better for you. That is kind of it is convincing. Nadine: Yes.
Daniel Vitalis: It turns out that when we do that, not only do those fats cause inflammation in our body and damage our arteries, but those fats have not accumulated those fat-soluble vitamins. So they are very devoid or very deficient. So one of the big So what happened was human beings things that happened was we switched to an started to be convinced though that fats incredibly deficient fat source from a very were causing heart attacks. Heart attacks rich fat source. were a very new thing. I mean 100, 150 years ago we start seeing them arrive. Prior to that We ate primarily saturated fats, which are human beings were eating plenty of fat and excellent high-energy foods and very clean a tremendous amount of cholesterol, but burning despite what the media has tried to we did not see heart attacks. I mean picture tell us in the last couple decades very clean that, you know farmhouse breakfast. I mean burning, but also very rich in nutrients. So it is shocking. I cannot even imagine trying to we would burn them as fuel and be left with eat this thing, right? It is like bacon and eggs a surplus of vitamins. When we get these and sausage and milk and, you know I do inflammatory fats from polyunsaturated not personally subscribe to that idea, but let plant sources we end up burning a very dirty us face it, people ate that and did not have fat in our body and we are left with nothing. So that is one of the big problems. heart attacks, right? Nadine: Until they switched the fat with And in addition to that those plants were grown in soil that was becoming more and margarine or something. more depleted. In fact it was known to be Daniel Vitalis: Right. So what happened was completely almost completely depleted by they were eating all these fats that came the 1930s. from animals and those fats were the storage place for that animals fat-soluble vitamins. In Nadine: Wow. other words every time you ate a bit of oil Daniel Vitalis: That is when the byproduct of from an animal you were getting essentially the World War II sort of war machine came that animals bank account of vitamins and that all of this nitrogen fertilizer came out of minerals that it stored there that were fat the war machine. And we started to put that soluble. stuff on soil, we started to we were able Well when people started to switch over to continue growing these plants in mineral to vegetable-based oils, particularly those deficient soil, so the quality of those fats
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got worse and worse and worse and their nutrition got worse and worse and worse. So that continued moving and we are now we finally reached this place we are at today, which is that 80 to 90% of those four plants that we make vegetable oil from, cotton, soy, canola and corn, are genetically modified organisms. They are no longer even they have gone past domestication now, they are fully engineered. Nadine: Yes. Daniel Vitalis: So we have you know this is probably one of the fundamental things. In addition to that of course the domestication process has made food far sugarier is that a word? Sugarier? Far higher in sugar than it is ever been. So we are dealing with a lot more sugar, like you mentioned highfructose corn syrup, now we are dealing with these incredibly refined sugars and we are also dealing with acids that have never been consumed before. I mean people drinking soda are drinking phosphoric acid.
know that you of course love water and have helped so many people find pure water. So of course how important would drinking water be for teeth and minerals and all that kind of stuff? Daniel Vitalis: Well drinking water, I mean I think is the fundamental I feel personally that water is the real lynch pin of our health. And I think that with basic, almost childlike logic we can arrive at that because I love the analogy that our body is a type of aquarium and not an aquarium that contains just human, you know little fishies, little cells, it is actually a very dynamic ecosystem. You know your body is an aquarium of so many different organisms; thousands of organisms, and the facts are that you are about ten times more other organisms than you are human cells.
So you are all these different organisms living together in this watery matrix. And instead of having glass walls on the aquarium, you have this amazing phospholipid skin that holds the water in. And a lot of cholesterol that makes Nadine: Yes. all these little compartments that hold the Daniel Vitalis: This stuff dissolves teeth. We water. But we are essentially a very lightly never had a source of phosphoric acid that salted sea. And in that sea swim human cells we put in our mouths before. So there is a and the cells of many different bacteria and lot of factors that have come together in this fungi as well as the bodies of many types of viruses. thing. These organisms, most of them, in fact almost all of them are very probiotic or symbiotic for us. They promote our health, they sustain our health, they farm human cells is how I like to say it. So you have got all these organisms living together in this watery soup contained Daniel Vitalis: Yes. Incredibly distorted. They by a skin. And the water that is in that are as distorted from their original seed part aquarium that you are is the water you drink. as white sugar is distorted from the sugar cane or as cocaine is from the cocoa plant. So let us make it less abstract here because I mean they are highly refined and like you I do not think people fully realize that. You mentioned, thank God they deodorize them. know the average person gets that they are, say 65 to 75% water, but does the average Nadine: Yes. That is true. Your mentioning person understand that that water is the of fertilizer reminded me of fluoride and I water they drink. I am curious, you know Nadine: For sure. And I just wanted to add that also all those oils that you mentioned, and of course they are rancid, bleached and deodorized and all that kind of stuff too. So they are distorted as well.
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because I feel that they often disconnect of And bones are crystals of apatite or calcium the two things. phosphate. It is amazing to me that we have crystalline bones Nadine: Yes. Nadine: Yes. Daniel Vitalis: When you cut yourself a little blood comes out, you know you break some Daniel Vitalis: and the way that our bones capillaries and blood comes to the surface. grow and develop and strengthen them What is that blood made of? Well it is made self have to do with some of the amazing of the water you drank and that water might electrical properties of crystal. So we be bottled water, that water might be tap really are an aquarium, a liquid salty sea, a water, that might be filtered water, that might bioelectric salty sea that actually is held up be spring water, it might be your well water. by tent poles of crystal, right? And some of But it is the water you are drinking. that pokes through our gums. The dental industry working together and I personally believe with other industries as well, came together with this concept that we are gonna put fluoride in peoples water. You know there is some good leads on this if you wanna follow them and I will say two. One is that there is good evidence that the fluoridation of water started actually first in Russian prison camps. Nadine: Wow. Daniel Vitalis: That is amazing to me. What they found in Russia then was that if they put fluoride into the bodies of prisoners that they could sedate them to a degree. Because fluoride is a bit of a neurotoxin. That work was picked up again by the Nazis, and so that was used in the Third Reich. And now it is used here, of course only for dental purposes. But we do know that fluoride actually reduces the willpower and makes people more docile. So I think it is fascinating that it was determined that this should be put into our water supply. However I know that people have been taught that this is good for your teeth. So let us break that down a little bit. Nadine: Yes. Daniel Vitalis: Your teeth we talked are our bones, essentially a type of modified bone. Now the interesting thing if you look at how we denote on paper or in print the calcium ion that is part of that calcium phosphate is you will see C, capital C, lower case a and then plus, plus. The plus, plus the Ca refers to calcium and the plus, plus refers to the electrical charge of that calcium. It is the way of denoting that in physics. Well fluoride has a very similar electrical charge to the calcium. And so what happens is when fluoride gets into the body, the body can get a little confused by the fluoride because we do not come from an environment where there is a tremendous amount of fluoride available to us because we do not stumble upon big piles of fluoride in natural environments and there are not puddles of fluoride in our natural environment. Our body does not really have to think about fluoride too much. When we refine fluoride through say aluminum mining and we end up with a big surplus of it and then we take it from there and we put in the water supply, suddenly the body has to figure out what to do with that fluoride. And often the body thinks the fluoride is calcium. So what it will do is it will start to take the little tiles of fluoride and incorporate them into this calcium phosphorus mosaic that our teeth are, if that makes sense. Nadine: Yes.
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Daniel Vitalis: So if you could imagine that for every tile of calcium in the mosaic there is a tile of phosphorus, now suddenly some of that phosphorus is getting bound to tiles of fluoride instead is a good metaphor. Now you can see this
The other the byproduct of it is that we know that fluorosis we know that fluoride, particularly the type of fluoride being put in is neurotoxic.
One thing people do not often realize is that fluoride does not just attach to the calcium Nadine: That is a great way to explain it. areas or the calcium receptor sites let us say, in the bony matrix of teeth, it also accumulates Daniel Vitalis: You probably, if you are in your bones. So if you have fluorosis in your listening to this, you probably have seen this teeth, you have fluorosis in your bones as in peoples mouths. Because what you will well making your bones more brittle. see is that certain people will smile at you and when you look at their teeth you will see But then there is some soft tissue targets as that their teeth have patches of discoloration well and this is really important to me. This is on them that are almost look like a different the big one. There is little calcium stones in texture. So they might have these yellowish your pineal gland. One of the problems that to very whitish patches or blotches on their we are seeing for people is that by age 18, teeth. That is fluorosis, which is a disease most peoples pineal gland becomes very caused by excess fluoride in the diet. calcified. Well if there is calcium in the pineal gland then it attracts fluoride as well. And it turns out that the number one soft tissue I really recommend spring the number one soft tissue target for fluoride in the body is your pineal gland. water. It is an interesting
lifestyle approach, but one that I have seen work again and again and again.
So when you are getting fluoridated in your water, you know you are getting fluoride in your teeth, you are getting it in your bones and it is crusting up your pineal gland. And I had, you know recently I had an event that I did. It was amazing. A guy came up to me What is so interesting is that dentists and the who was a radiologist and he brought some municipalities that put fluoride in water are a random assortment of brain scans, MRIs, trying to create that disease in people. They to show me the calcification are trying to create dental fluorosis. The idea was that when you attach a tile of fluoride Nadine: Wow. to that tile of phosphorus you end up with something harder than when you attach a Daniel Vitalis: and fluoridation of peoples calcium to the phosphorus. So in other words pineal glands. And what you saw was this big fluoride in the teeth, it is harder than calcium soft tissue brain with a hard white spot in the in the teeth. So the idea was well if we make center of it, which was the pineal gland. the teeth harder, they will be more resistant So by changing our water to a cleaner source to decay. I really recommend spring water. It is an But it turns out that if you make the teeth harder they become more brittle and they tend to crack and chip and break more easily. So this has actually become a huge problem. interesting lifestyle approach, but one that I have seen work again and again and again. And if you are interested in that just check out findaspring.com, which is a database of springs you can visit. But I also love well
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waters as well, if somebody has access to a Nadine: Oh, that is awesome. Good for people very good quality well water. to know. I found a lot of people, you know first it is like oh, my God, I have to go drink But natural water from natural ecosystems go get my water [inaudible] coming out of that comes from the earth is gonna be my tap. But so many people have it is like naturally very low, if not completely lacking one of their favorite things to do is like once a in fluoride. And when we drink that I kind month, go to the spring, get their glass get of imagine it like this. Imagine that your five gallon jars and load it up. teeth are like a piece of fabric and imagine that piece of fabric is soaked in a sugar Daniel Vitalis: Yes. And let us make a quick solution. We would end up with something let us do a quick little thought experiment that eventually was like rock candy forming here. all over that fabric. If that makes sense. And if I continually add liquid that is saturated with Nadine: Okay. sugar and pour it over that fabric and pour it Daniel Vitalis: Imagine a dystopia future over that fabric, all I am gonna do is build up world, a sort of George Orwell kind of brave the sugar crystals on that piece of fabric. new world situation where the people do not If I wanna get rid of those sugar crystals I have to go buy their food anymore, they just should take clean water that contains no turn on the tap and some kind of pink food sugar and start pouring that on the fabric. sludge comes out. And they know that that Over time that clean water would start to food sludge is pretty toxic, they know that break down and dissolve away that sugar there is chemicals in it. They know that it is and if I kept doing that it would look less like not real good for them. They know that it rock candy and it would go back to being a does not really support their health, but oh, it is just so convenient. piece of flexible fabric. If that makes sense. And imagine that I come up with a website called findafarm.com, and this crazy group Daniel Vitalis: We need to wash the wash of revolutionaries starts going once every the fluoride out of our body with clean water. two weeks to the farm to buy fresh food And over time if we continue drinking that that is good for them, supports their health, clean water it will start to pull that fluoride makes them feel good and gets them out of out of our teeth, it will start to pull it out the house. And then imagine those people of our pineal gland, it will pull it out of our who are like I just could not go out every two bones. And incidentally one of the ways to weeks like that, it is just I do not have the accelerate that removal of fluoride in your time. Where would I even find a farm? I am body is sauna, whether that is a dry sauna, just gonna keep eating the sludge. an infra-red sauna, electric sauna, a woodThat sounds ridiculous, but that is what is fired sauna. happening right now with water, right? So it But sweating in a relaxed state, not in an is very funny because once you start to do exercised state, but in a relaxed state like that practice it just becomes like it is not it a sauna does, you can actually begin to is a non-issue. accelerate the removal of that from your body, get your teeth back to normal, remove Nadine: Absolutely. Now you know a lot about that fluorosis and potentially soften up the ancient foods and what feeds us, I think you also have up your sleeve a few ancient sort pineal gland again. of tricks with what people use to clean their Nadine: Yes.
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teeth, or how were taking care of it externally with herbs or different plants botanically to take care of their mouths. Because they certainly were not using Listerine and fluoride toothpaste back in the day
to work and chew on the end of that stick that the little fibers, you know if you think about plant stocks or plant branches, they are bundles of fibers. Very similar to like if we took a bundle of dry spaghetti and held it together in our hand, we would have all these Daniel Vitalis: Exactly. Right? No, they were longitudinal fibers, that is of spaghetti. It not. And you know it is funny because the is very similar to how a plant is arranged. idea of this and I actually sell a toothbrush Whether it is a tree or herbaceous plant, it is so this is gonna be funny to say this. So I all of these longitudinal fibers. produced a toothbrush which I sell on my website and yet, let us face it, toothbrushes So if we chew on the end of a stick like are a fairly new invention. that what we are gonna end up with is all these little fibers at the end that are gonna Nadine: Yes. be kind of like the bristles of a toothbrush. Daniel Vitalis: They have not been around that And what they would do is they would work long. They certainly have not been available those bristles or those fiber ends around to people as widely as they are today until and through their teeth in a way that is not very recently in history. And the people dissimilar. Something like a cross between who use toothbrushes the most in the world a toothbrush and a dental pick. If you could have the worst teeth. So, you know people imagine that. will act like toothbrushes were like the sky Nadine: Yes. Yes. parted and the hand of God came down with toothbrushes for all of mankind and that is Daniel Vitalis: But what is so brilliant about the way we care for our teeth, right? this, if you go into nature here is one of the things you will notice if you start tasting We are so convinced that we have it right plants. And of course I know there is a lot that if you met people who said they never of fear about, you know tasting plants and used toothbrushes, that was not how they toxicity of plants and of course you wanna cared for their teeth, we would probably be know what plants you are playing with. But pretty freaked out by that idea. Like oh, God, nature is a lot safer than people often realize. that is disgusting. But the fact is that is not how most people have ever taken care of If you started to do that what you would notice their teeth. is that most of the plants that grow wildly have either very strong bitter components It seems like historically the way we cared or very strong aromatic components. Bitter for our teeth was primarily through the use would be like the flavor of let us say an endive of what we call today a chew stick. So that or the bottom of a piece of lettuce, right? is the word that archeologists will use or That strong bitter flavor. It almost makes you anthropologists will use to describe basically recoil. a human being cutting or breaking off a stick of certain types of plants and then using the Aromatic would be like the flavor of say a mint end of that stick, that broken end to polish is like or a sage is like or oregano is like, these the teeth in a very similar way to the way we strong aromatic volatile essential oils. Well, use toothbrushes today. those plants that have those strong aromatic properties, they tend to be incredibly and And you could picture if you went and you cut you know this from your expertise, Nadine, a little branch off something and you started
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these plants are antimicrobial. In fact it is funny when we study plants because just about any wild plant we look at turns out to be an antimicrobial, right?
things, all they are are the zoo form of what they did in the wild, right?
We live in our zoos and so we use the toothbrush and the toothbrush just simulates Nadine: Yes. the end of the chew stick. And whatever we put onto those bristles just simulates the Daniel Vitalis: Have you noticed that? properties that that chew stick would have had. If that makes sense. So that brings me Nadine: Yes. around to sort of, you know things that we Daniel Vitalis: It is so funny, it is like I can put onto our teeth. It turns out just about remember early on discovering oh, wow, this any plant is gonna do that. plant is antimicrobial. Antimicrobial of course for those who do not know means that it kills microbes. And you would be like wow, this But really all you need is a plant is antimicrobial. Oh, wait, so is this one few antimicrobial herbs that oh, wait, so is this one wait. Guess what? Plants live outside in an environment where if you can grind down. they were not antimicrobial, microbes would eat them, right? I personally like toothpowders. You know So, so many plants are strongly antibacterial, antifungal. Some plants more than others and if you were to use those plants, those herbaceous plants particularly that have those strong antimicrobial qualities and you polished your teeth with them, you would end up having something that functioned like a cross between a toothpick, a floss, a toothbrush and an antimicrobial toothpaste all packed into one natural biodegradable product that was totally sustainable. years ago I started looking around at what were some alternatives to toothpaste. Business toothpaste is a very new product, so what was there? And I found that lots of companies produced tooth powders. Now I understand this is something you can pretty simply do at home, so for those of you listening, do not feel like you have to buy a toothpowder. You can get out your little, you know coffee mill or blender or mortar and pestle and break some of these herbs down yourself.
But I like to buy a good toothpowder. The one I am using right now incidentally contains red dock and chaparral and yerba mansa, pine pitch, juniper and white sage. That is just what I am using right now. I happened to find an herbalist who had that. That list Nadine: That is true. of herbs, that suite of herbs is the suite of Daniel Vitalis: So I say that to bring us full herbs that this herbalist in a particular place circle to our domesticated world. Remember put together. domesticated means of the house, and since in our house we are probably going But really all you need is a few antimicrobial to use something else. Please keep in mind herbs that you can grind down. So I like to that our toothbrush, our floss, our picks, apply those to the end of my toothbrush and our toothpastes, our tooth powders, these I like to gently work those around my teeth, my gum line and the little pockets around my
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mouth, and I like to spread that antimicrobial herbal substance around in my mouth and at the end I swallow it. And by the way, why do we spit out toothpaste? Because it is toxic.
in there to harden the teeth and a bunch of like chemicals that cause this excessive fresh minty breath. Right? This outrageously fresh like breath. This stuff is not very sophisticated.
Nadine: Because it says it can be harmful if Herbs are far more sophisticated, especially swallowed. when you start mixing together herbs that flush blood into the gums, herbs that astringe Daniel Vitalis: Yes. It is crazy. It is toxic. It is the gums and tighten them up, herbs that like so I love the paradigm of switching to prevent organisms from being able to attach something nontoxic that you consume, that to the teeth and gums, herbs that do kill is actually part of what you feed yourself. So off microbes. Particularly herbs that have these herbs have a host of benefits to the antimicrobial properties for those organisms body anyway. So swallowing them is great that set up in our mouths. And herbs that because it is like getting a little shot of tea. freshen the breath. These things are fantastic. But these herbs also do lots in the mouth. Another piece I really like to bring in is Incidentally in a more sophisticated level, Bentonite clay. I have been into that for some there are herbs that do more than just kill time now a little less than I was before. I microbes. So for instance the mix that I just sort of backed it off a little bit. And what I mentioned contains red dock, which is very found for myself is if I dip my toothbrush astringent and helps to tighten the gums up in Bentonite clay, and I think this would a bit. So that is a slightly more sophisticated probably work with any clay but I always love idea. Or how about this, there are herbs in talking about Bentonite clay because I live in my environment, like there is an herb called the United States where the FDA rules and staghorn sumac, and if you make a chew they are okay with Bentonite. But Bentonite stick from that plant it actually prevents the clay because it is such a fine, fine dust of a ability of organisms to attach themselves to particle, it does not really scratch or damage your teeth and gums. the teeth, but allows you to polish the teeth. Nadine: Cool. In our region they would use Nadine: Yes. the dogwood twig. You might have that in your region too. Daniel Vitalis: So I would say that my dayto-day would be working with these herbs in Daniel Vitalis: And does it do the similar thing? my mouth and then when I feel that I need Does it create does it make the surface too to polish the teeth down, almost bring a slippery for the organisms? clean surface to the forefront on my teeth, I like to use Bentonite clay. And again that is Nadine: Yes. something that I will gently brush around on Daniel Vitalis: So this is brilliant because my teeth. Very gently like the way you would what we see right now is essentially our treat an antique piece of furniture with a toothpastes that are available to us in our piece of sandpaper. supermarkets are very they are the opposite of sophisticated. It is literally that sort of You know if you were gonna sand a very sloped forehead caveman thinking, right? antique beautiful heirloom, you would get Like knuckle-dragger thinking. It is like we the finest, finest grit sandpaper possible need abrasive polish, a soap, some fluoride and you would be so gentle on that and you would never sand against the grain of it,
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would you? That would be crazy; you could damage the wood. So with my teeth I brush that Bentonite like a polish with the grain of my teeth very gently and just try to work stains off my teeth rather than try to grind into my teeth.
I cannot sometimes I am just so blown away by the amount the sheer amount of health practices I get to do in a day. I mean by the time noon rolls around I have done more health practices in my day than the average American does in a year. Truly. So how do you fit it all? You just gotta build these routines, Nadine: Awesome. That is wonderful advice. but here is what it looks like for me. And it is really amazing what is available to use, you know once you step outside the Nadine: Okay. drugstore. So there is a bunch of fun things and a wealth of information you have given Daniel Vitalis: When I wake up first thing in us. How do you incorporate all these things the morning I come downstairs and I get into your life? Because I know, you know out of bed, I come downstairs and I start a okay, now I gotta go get spring water, now I couple pots of tea boiling. That is just how gotta go out in the woods and gather twigs, my day starts because those teas are gonna go into blended drinks that I make later on. like how are This only takes me 30 seconds. I come down, Daniel Vitalis: Yes. Well, you know what? One I add the spring water in there, I put them of the things that I have I think about like on the stove and they start going. I then building houses kind of like, to me I think reach under my counter for my sesame oil, I about, you know how rock climbing works. take a teaspoon of that in my mouth I start You know if you ever have gone out rock swishing. I start oil pulling. climbing or if you have ever seen how rock climbing works, you know there will be a Nadine: Right. climber goes up the cliff a bit, inserts a piece Daniel Vitalis: Oil pulling remember we of protection, makes sure that anchors real were talking before about the solubility strong before they start climbing again and of different substances in fat. What I love then they insert another one. And then they about oil pulling is that a lot of the stains that make sure that is strong and they climb and accumulate on our teeth will come off in oil. they insert another one. They do not come off in water so we can Health practices, I think we gotta kind of use swish with water all day long and our teeth like this. If you take ten or 15 health practices stay stained. But you start to swish in oil and you try to start them all tomorrow, I between your teeth, what happens is it starts applaud your effort, but I suspect if we came to pull all those stains off and I love that. So I back in a month almost none of those would will start doing that. still be in use. Right? It is like it does not work that way. You have to kind of start a health practice, get it strong, build it, anchor it, take those 21 days or whatever you need to build that habit, create the routine with it, and then add another piece in. And then anchor that and maybe and I will tell you I am still adding practices routinely. I lumber about the house doing my little tasks. After about five minutes I spit that oil into my compost heap and usually I will grab my flosser. And here is one of those things I am gonna get I know I am gonna get some negative feedback on this, but I will tell you guys the truth of what I actually do. I well, all right here it is. Yes, well you have not heard it yet.
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Nadine: Okay. Daniel Vitalis: I have this I have a drugstore flosser because I like these flossers that you can hold in one hand and have the floss pulled tight and that allows me to floss my teeth while I do other things. Nadine: That is cool. Daniel Vitalis: And here is what I found. If I try to use a regular line of floss, I almost never do it. Nadine: Right. Right.
tongue is this ideal environment. I think of it like this, it is kind of like it is the front door of your house, you know when you open that door and come into the living room. If you had a carpet there and that carpet was wet and the room was about 100 degrees and every time people came in what would they do? They would track in stuff and it would stick to your wet hot carpet and it would all grow and fester there. You would just wanna clean that carpet from time to time.
So the tongue scraper is this great tool and they are so inexpensive, they are so easy Daniel Vitalis: And it is one of these situations to get. They last forever, you never need to where it is like I need to figure out how am I replace them and all you are doing is basically actually going to get this into my life. And I taking this kind of dully-bladed object and need to be able to floss while I drive, I need scraping down the tongue. And gees, the to be able to floss while I write emails, I need funk that comes off of the tongue in the to be able to floss while I am doing things. morning it is totally mind blowing to me. So that is what works for me. So I have a one From there my mouth feels really fresh, from hand like a handheld flosser. I will kind of there I am ready to start my day. Probably, work that through my teeth while I am setting you know I go about my I have my workout, things up in my kitchen, preparing my day, I have my sauna, I have my juice, I have my getting my juicing vegetables ready and all blended drink and then I get in the shower. of that. And in the shower I always use the neti pot After that, some days I will do a bit of a and I have done that for, oh, geez, 15 years of saltwater rinse, other days I do not feel like my life now. I need to. Nadine: Yes. Daniel Vitalis: I will then go polish my teeth down like I mentioned with the herbs that I was talking about, and I always follow that with my tongue scraper. This is such a tremendously powerful practice for me. Oh, my God. I was exposed to it first in the United States, got to experience it in India with more traditional tongue scrapers and have had that be a regular part of my life now for a couple of decades. And the concept for me is this, you know most of the stuff living in your mouth is actually living on your tongue. I mean your
And the concept for me is this, you know most of the stuff living in your mouth is actually living on your tongue.
Nadine: Wow. Daniel Vitalis: The neti pot for me cleans out my sinuses, and like I mentioned I think I just alluded to this earlier on, it is that if you are into self-care and I love how you talk about self-dentistry, I think it is so brilliant. If you are gonna do this stuff, in other words if you are not regularly gonna see practitioners
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who are gonna perform their specialty on the stuff that you have been pushing back in. you, you need not be a specialist, you need So when you use something like this, you are to be a generalist. dragging that back out of the ear and almost nothing comes out anymore. Nadine: Right. So for me, keeping my Eustachian tubes Daniel Vitalis: Of course if you are gonna go clean that is my ears, keeping my sinuses see specialists, there is the dentists and they clean, right, with my neti pot and keeping work specifically on your teeth, and there my mouth clean is all one big system. And is the ear, nose and throat guy who works I am able to get all that done very early in specifically on that. Well, for me, my ears, the morning with very little input. Some of it nose and throat are very much connected to happens in the shower, some of it happens my mouth and teeth. while I am getting my kitchen set up in the morning. But it is all very simple. And then I Nadine: Yes. do not feel in the nighttime like I need to do Daniel Vitalis: So I see this all as one thing. as extensive of a ritual. I clean out my sinuses on the daily. I know that a lot of the stuff that lives in my mouth Nadine: Yes. is gonna get up in my sinuses and the stuff in Daniel Vitalis: So usually at nighttime I will my sinuses is gonna get down in my mouth. just redo my teeth and a little tongue scrape So I see that as a very connected practice. and I am done. I keep a flosser by the way, And then I would say about every two weeks that flosser that I mentioned, I have one on when I get out of the shower, I do not have my desk, I have one in my car, I have one in to do this all the time, I use an ear pick, which my bathroom bag, I have one at my office. is very different than a Q-tip. You know And I make sure that there is one there all the and I saw this first in India as well. And, you time because one of the things that I have know I love referencing India for health stuff learned through caring for my own teeth is because they are a that I do not like to leave stuff stuck between Nadine: Oh, yes. Daniel Vitalis: say a 6,000-year-old culture. Not just 6,000 years we are a 200-yearold culture, so you can imagine they figured out a few things more than us. I used to use Q-tips almost every day. And every day stuff would come out on the Q-tip. Now I use this thing, it is like a very tiny scoop spoon that I clean my ears out with and almost nothing ever comes out anymore. I almost never have any ear wax anymore and what I have come to understand is that when you put the Q-tip kind of a product, the swab in your ear, you pull some stuff out, but you mostly push stuff back in. And over time what you end up pulling out is that dark, amber-colored resiny well that is all my teeth. Nadine: That is awesome. That is so great. We got to share a portal into your self-care world so we appreciate that. My last question is if you could have the wild tooth fairies of the world put a message for children under their pillows for the next generations to come, what would it be? Daniel Vitalis: Ooh, the wild tooth fairies? Is that what you said? Nadine: Yes. Like instead of leaving a dollar bill. Daniel Vitalis: Yes. All right, here is what it would be. I would want kids to know that your body is self-healing; your body is selfrenewing. You are not supposed to get sick.
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Sickness is not normal. Tooth decay is not normal; it is not this thing you are supposed to have to battle. You are not supposed to have to have this war against all these organisms in your mouth.
Your body is designed to actually self-renew and if you live in accordance, or even partially in accordance with the natural laws and rhythms that govern your body, your teeth will be healthy for the rest of your life. And it is only if you try all of these crazy practices that this suicidal culture sells you, will you have to have that tooth decay and battle Nadine: Woo hoo. That is awesome. I will pass that along to Leif. Thank you so much. that. But it is not meant to be that way.
The beauty of life, the beauty of the design is that you are a perfect thing in a perfect environment and all of that got thrown around and kind of made haywire, but you can restore that balance in yourself. And you can then, after you have restored it in yourself, you can encourage other people to restore the balance in their lives too. So it is all okay. There is not a big battle, just do not listen to these psychos who are trying to convince you that your teeth are supposed to be falling out.
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David Wolfe
David Wolfe is one of the worlds foremost authorities on natural health, beauty, longevity and super foods.
how the body is affected by the modern day stresses of todays fast-paced toxic lifestyles Nadine: Having the best day and what eradicates our cellular health, our ever always happens when beauty, our oral health and longevity. you are spending time with David Wolfe is the founder of the online todays guest. David Wolfe is health magazine, thebestdayever.com, the completely passionate about Longevity Now Program and the Longevity life. And with a masters degree in nutrition, Now Conference, which all inspire and a background in science and mechanical empower people to take charge of their engineering, a bestselling author and prolific health. He is also the founder of the Fruit speaker, David Wolfe is one of the worlds Tree Planning Foundation, a nonprofit foremost authorities on natural health, organization that strives to plant eight billion beauty, longevity and super foods. fruit trees.
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David has over 18 years of dedicated David is the author of the bestselling books, experience and understanding of the inner Super Foods: The Food and Medicine of the workings of the delicate chemistry and the Future, Amazing Grace, Naked Chocolate hardcore mechanics of the human body and
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and Eating for Beauty. He has given more than 2,000 live lectures and has appeared on hundreds of television programs. Davids client list includes top CEOs, global ambassadors and Hollywood celebrities. Through his down to earth and simple approach, David confirms that every health problem has a solution and that we do have the opportunity right at our fingertips to make new choices about our lifestyle and that great health is in our own hands.
scared I was like I am definitely flossing every day no matter what. So that is how I got started with flossing on a regular basis like all the time as part of a daily practice. I also do the what is it called? The tooth scrubber or the tongue scraper tongue scraper, that is what it is. Nadine: Yes.
David Wolfe: So I do my tongue scraper every day. So especially in the morning to get that So welcome and thank you so much for your mucous off and it kind of because what is happening is our digestive tract is pushing time today. mucous both up and down if we have mucous David Wolfe: Thank you. That was a wild in our digestive tract and it ends up on our introduction. I appreciate that. tongue. And so you just want to scrape that off and that allows more mucous to permeate Nadine: Well, I really appreciate you upwards which is good and you are moving participating and I am really fond of all the mucous out of your system. But it also just work you have done and I have been to so cleans your whole mouth environment. It is many of your talks and lectures and have just a nice thing to do. personally been really inspired. And every time we get together I am always learning I use a toothbrush, but I do not use something new from you. any kind of traditional toothpaste. I have been using basically Neem So, something tell me that with everything Karoli Baba Yogi Tooth Truth Serum, that you know about health and longevity, which is the essential oil blend, that when you are on tour and you are waking pretty much daily for a few years. up in some foreign hotel in the morning So I just put that on my toothbrush that you are other than reaching for a tube and brush my teeth that way. of Colgate and turning on the tap water to brush your teeth. Nadine: Okay. David Wolfe: I am definitely doing something other than that. You have got that right. You have got it. Yes. Nadine: Call me psychic. Can you tell us a bit about just the daily things you do that you know are serving your teeth and your mouth? David Wolfe: Okay. Well, one thing that I am pretty keen on is that I floss daily, sometimes twice a day. That is something I learned from a friend of mine way back when we were in college and he was like if you do not floss, you have bad breath. And I was like oh, my God, bad breath, that is a mortal sin. I was so David Wolfe: And I also put ormus gold on my teeth my ormus gold. I will put that directly on my teeth and that has actually saved one of my teeth for sure. At this point, that tooth I have had so many doomsday reports from dentists, which we are going to get into Nadine: Yes. David Wolfe: that told me if you do not do something immediately this is going to happen. Meanwhile it is ten years later, none of that stuff ever happened that they said was going to happen. Nadine: Amazing. Well there is such a
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David Wolfe: And I think the ormus gold has something to do with it, but also then good oral care and also just not falling into the trap of these doomsday reports. Nadine: Absolutely. I think the real disconnect is that we now know that the teeth are alive. And I mean somebody probably always knew that. But somehow in North American dentistry, you walk in there and they do not think the bones can regenerate. They do not seem like the bones are living tissue. And I think that David Wolfe: Exactly. That is just insanity. It is absolute insanity. It is your living bones, it is teeth, they are living bones. And actually the quality of your teeth is very strongly connected to the quality of your bones. Nadine: Yes. And we can see it. David Wolfe: Yes. I very strongly recommend and often recommend basically the same types of nutrients for bones as for teeth, like high silica content foods, foods that contain phosphorus, foods that contain magnesium. That is really what builds bone and it is also what builds teeth. And it is obvious too because when you eat for example, grass, which is grass when it is mature, when it is ripe in nature, it is obvious that it is good for your teeth because you are chewing right on your teeth. It cleans your teeth off as you are chewing the grass. The ruminant animals have the strongest teeth. And at the same time it is super high in silica. So nature has a logic that fits together so to speak. Nadine: Yes. Can you let us go deeply. One of the reasons why I also wanted you to talk for our dental summit is I really love and appreciate your knowledge on bone health, bone density and also how you approach it with the ways to get minerals in the body, which is really excellent, the way you are approaching it. It is not just like go to the store and get a bottle of calcium supplements.
And then also like let us just get everything on the table that you know about bones and bone density and how hormones affect that. Let us go into that. David Wolfe: Okay. I think we need to start with hormones because if your progesterone is low in a woman, and in a man if your testosterone is low and your estrogens are high, there is going to be trouble. You are going to be in trouble. You are not going to be able to mineralize properly because you are not getting the signal and hormones are signalers. So they are signaling a mineralization, they are signaling a certain content of like being able to produce bone material and teeth material. So without the hormones we cannot even get going. So we have to make sure that is okay first.
So nature has a logic that fits together so to speak.

And for women and even men actually, I recommend progesterone cream. Now a man would not use progesterone cream like a woman would, but a couple times of month would be good for a man. You convert it immediately into testosterone and it is much, much safer than using testosterone creams for example. And progesterone cream is so safe it is safer than food. Nadine: That is awesome to know. David Wolfe: That is super important to know about. That is 90 years of research, and the conclusion of that research is progesterone cream is safer than food. Nadine: Awesome. David Wolfe: So that is where you have to start. So you have to get your progesterone up and even if you are young, I mean we are seeing more and more, like 20-year-old
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women have low progesterone. 25-year-old men, low testosterone. Nadine: And how women would know that is if they do not have a 28-day cycle. That would be one of the indicators. David Wolfe: That is an indicator. Another indicator is chronic insomnia or chronic acne or certain hormonal-related problems that have to do with that monthly cycle. So, yes, you have got to kind of tune in on where you are and, you know you are thinking well, I am 20 years old, do I need progesterone cream. And the answer is well, you do not know until you try. Check it out. It might benefit you. You might be surprised.
[inaudible] your bones made out of calcium, you need to eat calcium. And that is the very crux of our superficiality, which you know to Rudolf Steiner, is the biggest he said that that is the biggest problem the human race is superficiality. You know for example you find out somebodys bones made out of calcium and then you come up with the theory oh, they need to eat calcium. Nature is not superficial like that. That is a very such a superficial idea, there is no way it could actually be real. It turns out the research, you know almost a hundred years of research on it indicates it is not real. And so what we really need to do is we need to start looking at what is real and what has been traditionally used. Silica, magnesium, phosphorus for bone density, that is where we go. And then of course naturally we want to go to the natural sources of that.
I have had that happen before where a 21-year-old woman start using and it and she is like oh, my God, what is going on. It has like improved everything. And it is something you kick-start. It is something you use you know you do not use it every day, but you Nadine: Yes. use it sporadically to kind of kick-start your progesterone metabolism up and get things David Wolfe: Other things that are important back on track. So, that is number one. for bone density though before I let that go is, you have to make sure you have enough Now, number two is we have got to start sulfur in your diet. You have got to have looking at like this whole calcium theory, enough sodium in your diet and then certain you know with earnest and with a [inaudible] trace minerals are interesting like boron, very perception. And the whole calcium theory interesting for bone density and also boron is just completely fraudulent, you know that is a very powerful anti-radiation. And then you need calcium to build bone. strontium, and the research out of Europe on strontium is just conclusive. I mean conclusive Nadine: Yes. that strontium increases your bone density. David Wolfe: It is very hard to build bone Period. out of calcium. It is very much a backup mechanism. And basically what we can say Nadine: Wow. And what sources would that is that silica and magnesium are much more be found in herbs and food? powerful at building bone and phosphorus. David Wolfe: Okay. So, yes, when we start Those are the top three. Silica, magnesium looking strontium is a very rare trace mineral and phosphorus, that is what mineralizes and basically you would not be able to get bone, not calcium. Right? So the immediate enough of it from any food that I know of. feedback is well what are you talking about, So what they are doing is they are creating your bone is made out of calcium. I mean strontium supplements in Europe, which you what are you saying? I mean how could
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know if you are open to that, it is something worth your investigation. But you are better off really focusing back down to the key ones, which again is silica, magnesium and phosphorus.
silica ratio completely inverts. When the grass is young it is high in calcium; as the grass matures it elevates the silica and the calcium drops down. Very interesting.
Nadine: Oh, that is very interesting. And in So phosphorus comes from nuts and seeds, our body the phosphorus calcium ratio has raw nuts and seeds. That is phosphorus. And to be right. The phosphorus has to be more you actually need those in your diet. This is than the calcium. a very big thing that kind of raw foodists I think have kind of brought back to the fore, David Wolfe: Right. And we do not get enough is like you need to eat raw nuts and seeds in phosphorus actually. Animals concentrate your diet. Some people are allergic to nuts so out of nature phosphorus by a factor of one you have to do more seeds. Everything from out of 200. So, let us say the soil, like you chia seed to poppy seed to sesame seed to just pick a random sample of soil, a human body has 200 times more phosphorus than a sunflower seeds and just things like that. sample of soil of equivalent weight. Silica and magnesium well, let us start with silica. Silica is horsetail nettle tea, horsetail Nadine: Wow. nettle oat straw tea, horsetail nettle oat straw. David Wolfe: And so we are not getting If you are in Canada, hemp leaf I had the guys enough phosphorus so we cannot mineralize over at Maxxam Analytics, a lab in Toronto, that bone because the bone is calcium send me 120 samples of data on hemp leaf phosphate and what is happening with the and it was spot-on for bone density spot- silica is at the osteoblast, that is that site on. The mineral profile of it was spot-on 120 where it is actually converting to it converts samples. I looked at all 120 samples and then to calcium. Silica actually biologically looked at the summation of all those results transmutates into calcium. That is the thing and what the averages were. It is spot-on for that is just illegal to even talk about. bone density, no question about it. Nadine: Amazing. David Wolfe: It is also spot-on for anti-fungal. And the same could be said with horsetail, horsetail is very spot-on for bone density and anti-fungal, so very interesting thing there, for sure. Okay, so another thing about silica just before I let that go is grasses when they are mature, when they are in their ripe stage before they flower. Most of the time we are doing wheat grasses when it is young. When it is three weeks old the wheat grass is three weeks old, then it is mature and then you are going to have a better it is going to be better for bone density. When it is younger it is better for detox. It is actually higher in calcium. In fact the calcium
So phosphorus comes from nuts and seeds, raw nuts and seeds. That is phosphorus. And you actually need those in your diet.
It completely violates our whole theory of minerals, our whole theory of science, but it is a fact. It is a fact of nature and it is a fact that has been proven by scientists forever. And it has just not been a popular fact because it violates Lavaseas Law and our whole conventional theory. But our whole conventional theory has delivered us
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very poor results so we have got to dump it. that data; they do not even address it. We have to drop it for something that works. Because it is conclusive. Nadine: Yes. Yes. And so chocolate is very good for your teeth it is not only good you know obviously David Wolfe: And then let us talk about when you crunch into cacao that is good magnesium oh, I want to say one more because it is like it cleans your teeth. You can thing about silica. Bamboo sap is what has feel what it is doing to strengthen your teeth traditionally been used in Ayurveda, bamboo, and it is putting pressure on your teeth and bamboo products, nosta salate, which is a it is just good. But in addition to the minerals very good edible bamboo, has extraordinary it also has theobromine, which kills off like a silica. It is like 70% silica; it is crazy. hundred different types of bacteria including streptococci mutans, which is one of the Nadine: Wow. cavity forming bacteria. David Wolfe: So that is a super important piece. And then magnesium would come Nadine: Yes, it is. That is so cool to know. from chlorophyll and chocolate. So now this David Wolfe: So that is that. So that is kind is where we get into chocolate and bone of the rundown, is like okay, now that we density, which I am Nadine, I am sure you see the whole picture it is like okay, we have are going to love this. Just looking at the got to get the right amount of sodium. And straight mineralogy of chocolate, chocolate by the way, in the beginning because we all is extraordinarily high in magnesium. It is the come off this toxic diet where there has been highest magnesium content food there is of a preservative in every processed food we all common foods. And it is extraordinarily have ever eaten, from Lucky Charms cereal to high in phosphorus. So right there, if you look macaroni and cheese to Hamburger Helper, at that you are a mineralogist, nutritionist, and that preservative is some kind of a weird which is kind of what I am. You go oh, that is like salt. bone density, which is the facts. Basically what they have done is they have People who eat chocolate have better quality cooked off all the trace minerals, sold them teeth and they have better quality bones. off to chemical companies. What is left is That is just a fact of nature. That is a truism sodium chloride. They then iodize that and of nature and people who eat chocolate live then use that as a preservative in food. Now longer also. And I bet you part of it is because that is why we have hypertension and all they have less bone fractures. these salt disorders is because that is not salt, Nadine: Now is that like true for eating a that is some kind of crazy weird laboratory experiment. Jersey Milk or like good chocolate? David Wolfe: Well, sure the less other stuff that is in there and the more real chocolate that is in there, the better off we all are. You know that is just how it goes. You know obviously we want the most cacao possible in the rawest form possible and the least of the other kind of junky stuff that goes into these chocolates. But the data is in. The data is in. And the chocolate the anti-chocolate parade has not been able to accommodate Nadine: Yes. David Wolfe: So we are all saturated in that. So I get that, okay, in the beginning you have to come off the salt and detoxify your body of that kind of salt. But to go your life without salt is very dangerous. Salt is by nature proprogesterone, anti-estrogen. How about that one? Nadine: That is cool.
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David Wolfe: Is not that that cool? And so David Wolfe: Yes, well there is a number that is of factors. We should probably talk about vitamin K2 because you have a little child Nadine: Yes. and there is definitely a lot of people listening David Wolfe: it is right there that it signals have little kids and they are wondering, you oh, it is good for bone mineralization, that is know what is going on with the bone density. what that indicates to us. And then taking There is another factor in bone density that is it a little bit further salt is the best natural very peculiar about humans. And it is one of source of minerals. That is just the way these things that definitely flies in the face of nature has done it for us. You know mineral the Paleo diet. You know the Paleo diet is kind supplements, people ask me like do you take of like this idea, it is like do not eat any kind mineral supplements and it is like yes, I take of grains, any heavily processed anything. salt, sea salt. That is my mineral supplement. Go back to like hunting and gathering and Nadine: And also it is an amazing tool just for the external care of the teeth, like salt like to make a mouthwash or to polish the teeth with salt. It is excellent. David Wolfe: Absolutely. I mean in okay, you know my mom is from Tehran, my grandmother was from Tehran. In Tehran, when I was a kid they no toothpaste. You brushed your teeth with baking soda and salt. Nadine: Yes. that kind of thing, except there are some big holes in that theory. One of them is the vitamin K2 issue because vitamin K2 is a very strong mineralizer of bone and it is also a very strong preventer of soft tissue calcification. Nadine: Yes. David Wolfe: It is prevalent in only and it is only prevalent in the human diet in heavily fermented foods like cheese and natto.
Nadine: Yes. So that is a good thing is that there is a vegan way they can have it from David Wolfe: That is what they used historically the fermented natto. in that civilization. That has always been with David Wolfe: Right. There is fermented natto. me my whole life. I mean I think that is why I It is a product of microbial fermentation. Now have never really been oriented towards like you could take a supplement of vitamin K2 Aquafresh and Colgate and Crest is because but naturally you would get it from a heavily when I was a real small kid we used salt and fermented food, which would not occur baking soda. in a Paleo diet because you would not be fermenting anything. You are basically living off, you know hunting and gathering what you get every day. But the human being does have a very need for this particular nutrient and it is a very anti-aging nutrient as I mentioned David Wolfe: Excellent way to go. Excellent because it fights off soft tissue calcification. idea. Basically it protects your heart. At the same Nadine: And what else do you think is time it is a very strong mineralizer of bone, contributing to obviously bone density especially in children and the elderly. before now was like denser and our ancestors Nadine: Yes, it is essential. had denser bones. What is going on with David Wolfe: It is essential. You know from that? what I can glean from the research it is about, Nadine: That is such a good thing to use. So with getting all these things into our so do you think like having a daily tea, oat straw, nettles horsetail excellent way to go?
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you know maybe 60% of the population or maybe two-thirds of the population really need something like that in their diet to mineralize properly. Nadine: Yes. I am sure you have read Dr. Weston Prices work where he David Wolfe: Yes. Nadine: - now figured out that his activator X was vitamin K2. And when children are getting cavities but they add a K2 supplement or really get high content K2 foods back in the diet, that is one way they are healing the cavity. David Wolfe: Right. It reverses it. Nadine: Yes. David Wolfe: It increases mineralization, which again points to this idea that you talked about that everybody should be aware of, that your teeth are living bones. When you get a doomsday report from a dentist you need to really think about what you are going to do because once you start getting into dental surgeries, which is basically cavities and fillings and all that, it can have a very, very profound impact on your teeth. I was just talking with some friends last night about Dr. Bob Marshalls work in this area where he is of the opinion that you could never become a great athlete if you have had too much dental work because it screws up your whole meridians. Nadine: Wow.
impact on the human being over a lifetime from all this stuff. But we are getting closer to understanding that it is harmful. That it is actually you are better off if you have cavities, problems with your teeth you are better off taking very, very good care of your teeth, taking very good care of your oral environment and then mineralizing yourself properly. And there is another thing too and that is your probiotics. Getting those probiotics into your system, getting that symbiosis happening where the probiotics naturally fight off the harmful organisms so you create what is called in dentistry a biofilm of friendly bacteria in your oral environment, which naturally protect and shield your teeth. Nadine: Yes, that is so important. And can you tell more about like obviously well, not obviously it is not obvious to everybody, but the mouth and the digestive system are connected and how probiotics really help that relationship? David Wolfe: Yes. Basically what has come up in dentistry this is at the cutting edge. I mean most common dentists would not know this, but the ones who really are with the program, they are aware of this. And that is the future of dentistry is understanding that you want to build up a biofilm not only in your oral cavity but all the way through your whole digestive tract.
And that is essentially the idea of probiotics. That the probiotics can get in and basically David Wolfe: Yes. That is the latest on that is remake the terrain and drive off the that basically like Michael Phelps has never Candida and other infectious organisms and had dental work. Right? Here he is one of the eventually secrete a biofilm, which is like a greatest athletes in the world, well it is because thin, thin gooey film that then shields your he never had dental work. We were so deep tissue from being damaged by whatever is into dental surgeries. You know it is like Josef coming through, bad quality food, harmful organisms, whatever. Mengele level of experiments on humans. It is it is so gnarly what is going on that This understanding of building up the biofilm we do not even realize what is the actual real is really, you know the key of why somebody
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suddenly, just their whole oral cavity breaks down, suddenly they have cavities everywhere and all kinds of problems. Because their biofilm has been broken down. And we are starting to see this also with the Candida story. And the best way to do the best move you could do to deal with this is every day take in your body a live friendly bacteria probiotic food or beverage. Nadine: Yes. That is definitely the good thing. And there is also even some oral probiotics these days. But I always just think you can swish it in your mouth before you swallow it your probiotic. David Wolfe: That is a very good idea. Acidophilus is so friendly to you. It is your total ally; it has good to be good for everything in your upper GI and even in your mouth.
pretty much the only type of infection your body cannot overcome. Nadine: Yes. David Wolfe: When you have a dental infection, for example a root canal that has gone bad, it is a real bad situation and you need help. Nadine: And apparently too, even from all the wisdom teeth we have had removed, you know and years later underneath that is what they call a jaw cavitation because they left the ligament behind and then there is just rotting jawbone. And really who has not had
David Wolfe: There are a couple things I want to mention because your listeners are people who really want to activate their own selfNadine: Yes. If there is one thing I take every healing. There are a couple things you can do day it is that, even if I forget all the others. It is to deal with these kinds of dental infections just the probiotics because I know they serve without having to go get them scraped out, me so well. Can you tell us more about the unless you need to have them scraped out teeth in the meridians because that was really and cleaned out. One of them is you can use interesting? And, you know I have heard that a magnetic pulser. Familiar with Bob Decks each tooth is hooked up to a meridian in the magnetic pulser? body and that they line up with the different organs and everything. This understanding of David Wolfe: The first place I saw that laid out was in a book called Whole Body Dentistry, and Nadine: Yes. David Wolfe: you can find it online now too. You can just basically get online and punch up teeth and meridians and you will see the whole connection there. But basically every tooth is running a major meridian through it, and any damage to any type of tooth is very dangerous to the meridian system especially when you have metal put into your mouth. And going beyond that when there is an infection in the jaw or in the mouth, which is pretty much according to Dr. Marshall I had a talk with Dr. Marshall about this, it is
building up the biofilm is really, you know the key of why somebody suddenly, just their whole oral cavity breaks down, suddenly they have cavities everywhere and all kinds of problems.
Nadine: No. David Wolfe: Okay. That is a really interesting device. It is something you can look up you can just look it up on the internet. It is called a magnetic pulser. And if you use
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that in combination with a zapper right on the jaw right on where the infection is, you can sometimes turn the tide on the infection without having to get in there and scrape it out. Sometimes the infection is so bad that it is not going to be possible to get in there and do it without like literally opening up the jaw and actually scraping it out and cleaning it out from the inside. But you know you want to have that tool you want to have those tools and know that you can actually approach it topically with electrical medicine, basically a frequency generator, which is what a zapper is. And approach it with a Bob Beck magnetic pulser.
Nadine: Awesome. Mercury fillings. David Wolfe: Dangerous, unbelievably preposterous that this has been foisted upon us. Mercury is ten times more toxic than DDT. Nadine: Wow. Mercury removal mercury filling removal. David Wolfe: There has to be a protocol before, during and after. If your dentist does not have a protocol, you need to find a dentist who does. It has to be done very, very carefully. It is a very dangerous operation. In certain cases if you are 80 years old and you have 12 mercury fillings, at that point it is not worth taking it out. But, you know if you are young, you are strong and you can get through say five fillings being removed then you need to make that choice to do that.
Nadine: That is great. What do you think about maybe we can do a bit of a lightning round here. I can say a word and you can tell us what you think about that. Nadine: Absolutely. Detoxing heavy metals. David Wolfe: Oh, okay.
David Wolfe: I like food methodologies first. I Nadine: Okay. Like a game show. Okay, really like chlorella; I like the chlorella cilantro combination. I like volvic acid. I like oxygen fluoride. therapies of different sorts. I like infrared David Wolfe: Totally toxic. Absolutely bad sauna. theory Nazis. Nadine: Yes. Detoxing excess estrogen. Nadine: Water. David Wolfe: I recommend like just from a David Wolfe: Water just water? Just the food perspective onions, berries, apples and word water? cruciferous vegetables and beets and beet juice in particular. And I also recommend Nadine: Yes. Water. Yes. going even to stronger substances like indole3-carbinol and DIM, which is in products like David Wolfe: It is essential hydrogen. Estroguard. I think that those kind of products Nadine: Tap water. are very, very important for detoxifying the David Wolfe: Some kind of heinous liquid types of toxicity we are dealing with. that has nothing to do at all with water and Nadine: Increasing bone health bone is actually contaminated with radioactive density, which we spoke but this is the tritium. lightning round version. Nadine: Neem. David Wolfe: Probably the best thing for your teeth there is in the universe. David Wolfe: Okay. So just from a very quick perspective, the amino acid we did not talk about that is very important for bone density is lysine. Just real quick, sodium, sulfur,
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boron, magnesium, silica, phosphorus, those are kind of your bone density minerals and trace minerals.
am saying sharp like a musical string, a sharp chronically tight muscle which is causing the grinding, the teeth grinding. It is causing the teeth to be clenching all the time. It is just And then you definitely want to make sure like the daily grind of our world. Very, very you have enough hormone and vitamin D3, important to get some neck work done just we did not talk about that hormone. Vitamin to release that. D3 is very important. You want to make sure that your body is androgenic, which means If you do not know what to do, go see a Rolfer, you are high in progesterone for a woman, or somebody like that who can help get those testosterone for man, you are high in DHEA, deep tensions out of those muscle groups in you are high in vitamin D3 and your estrogens the jaw and in the neck and to some degree and cortisol are down. even in the face. Nadine: Okay. Strategies for getting cortisol down because that is a big one. David Wolfe: Just being grounded. Sleeping grounded has been shown to actually normalize cortisol. So obviously one thing is just get the stress out of your life. But if that is not exactly possible or easy, then you want to sleep grounded and get yourself into grounding system so that you are actually hooked up to the circadian rhythms of the world you know of the whole cosmos. Nadine: Yes. TMJ and grinding teeth. Nadine: Yes. I agree totally. Gum health and coenzyme Q10. David Wolfe: I do not know much about what coenzyme Q10 does for the gums. Nadine: Okay. David Wolfe: I have always focused on coenzyme Q10 for the heart, so I do not know. Nadine: Okay. How about gum health in general?
David Wolfe: I really feel like the information is out there that gum disease is the number David Wolfe: I have a very strong angle on one disease in the world is accurate. It is this. I have been doing neck work for 20 years. definitely affecting almost everybody above That is the particular type of bodywork that the age of 30 and definitely above the age I do, and I believe very, very strongly, I am of 40. I really recommend rubbing neem oil absolutely convinced because I have literally right into the gums. I also recommending worked on thousands of people at this point, using a brush that is not too harsh so it is not it is all neck problems. It is all basically all driving the gums back. the neck tendons especially in the front of the neck underneath the esophagus and I like a lot olive oil and coconut oil pulling for the mouth environment, which I do. I will right in just basically get a whole thing of olive oil Nadine: The scalenes? into my mouth and just swish it around my David Wolfe: the scalenes, are extremely teeth for 15 minutes and then go spit that tense, they are extremely sharp. And people out and that is called oil pulling. I think that can benefit from their TMJ a lot by having can do very wonderful things for your teeth. work done on their neck, their jaw and like I think it creates a nice environment for your my friend, Dr. Stuart Blakey does, on the teeth and it seems to be helpful for the gums. inside of the mouth to relieve the tension So that is what I would recommend there. from the chronically sharp and you know I
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And make sure you floss. You know if you have food traps in your mouth that can be problematic. So you know the food traps can trap the food in between your teeth and that will obviously cause eventually bacteria to build up and that can impinge on the gums, create an environment where the gums are susceptible to gum disease.
whole thing with gum disease and what is going on with that has a lot to do with calcium forming microorganisms. That is why we have plaque formation because plaque is like a calcium buildup. Like, you know where is that calcium coming from? Well, it is an excretion of organisms. It is what is left over, it is like coral, it is like left over. And you have got to be able to break that stuff down and get rid of it. And that whole like look at like calcium forming organisms is an area of research that, you know I have written a whole book about, which is my Longevity Now program. And definitely it needs to be something that you are aware of more and more that bacteria are not just these little soft little jelly things, they can also have a hard shell on them.
So the more of it that you do, the more you stack the odds in your favor, the less likely you are going to be susceptible to gum disease and other problems and the more powerful is going to be your immune response.
Nadine: Yes, and I was going to ask you that question. You have actually kind of answered it. But I was referring back to gum tissue issues and gum recession. I was going to Nadine: Yes. And you can add even neem ask you if you think there is a relationship to that olive oil, like a couple drops or even between that and the calcification of the oregano to that oil pulling therapy, which is soft tissues/ And then a lack of minerals and the K2 bringing those minerals into the nice. bones and instead they are in the soft tissue David Wolfe: That is great. causing degradation, which would probably affect the gums. Nadine: Can you explain a bit about neem in the mouth and the bacteria and the shells David Wolfe: Absolutely. All this stuff is and the excrement? everything we are talking about is basically stacking the odds in your favor. So the more David Wolfe: Yes. Basically a lot of the really of it that you do, the more you stack the dangerous organisms that can get into our odds in your favor, the less likely you are oral environment are basically calciumgoing to be susceptible to gum disease and forming organisms. They are essentially other problems and the more powerful is bacteria that can form shells, which is obvious, going to be your immune response. I mean you know like you look at nature you see a a big principle that I have always believed slug, that is like an oral bacteria. Then you in and that I have observed is that the see a snail, you know that is like okay, that is more mineralized you are, the more you are a calcium-forming organism so that they can protected, right? shield themselves. Nadine: Yes. So there are certain plants, there are certain herbs that can break down those kinds of David Wolfe: And the less mineralized you very dangerous calcium forming organisms are, the more you are susceptible. and neem is one of them. And definitely the
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immunological super herbs or, you know we also call them tonic herbs or medicinal David Wolfe: So it is something to be aware mushrooms are a big part of that group. And of. It is like we always want to be protected; so if you can have the medicinal mushrooms we always want to have our tissues to be and the astragalus and the ginseng and the mineralized so we are not susceptible to soft asparagus root and the schizandra berry and tissue calcification, we are not susceptible to the goji, when you put all that together you gum disease, we are not susceptible to weak start to have a pretty significant armada of teeth. And some of us by the way, have to immunity. work at this harder than others. Some people have it easier. It is a genetic trait. The strength Nadine: Nice. Armada of immunity. That is of your dentin is a genetic trait and some great. Another thing that is really affected by people did not get the good roll of the dice. dental history as in plastic fillings, mercury So you are going to have to work harder. fillings, dental X-rays is the thyroid. And I know you know a lot about the thyroid, so Nadine: Or, you know there was not a lot of can you tell us about care of the thyroid prenatal nutrition and how that is involved with mercury and fluoride and radiation and what we can do to David Wolfe: Yes. keep it healthy? Nadine: or nutrition in utero as well, I think. David Wolfe: Okay. Well the thyroid is highly Do you have any tips for abscesses? vascularized; it is also very susceptible to David Wolfe: Well, I definitely feel like a zapper toxicity in your body. So if you have a lot is a really good idea and a magnetic pulser of toxicity in your body, radiation, nuclear, is a really good idea if you have an abscess. you know everything. You know just volatile And if you feel like you can rub neem directly organic compounds, estrogen, the thyroid on the abscess it is a really good idea. is going to being impinged as a result of Nadine: Yes. And I think I feel like it is an that toxicity and will probably be affected infection so I feel like all the things that you first. I mean we know from like, you know suggest for boosting the immune system are Hiroshima, Nagasaki, that the thyroid is the most susceptible to radiation disease. In fact good too, like medicinal mushrooms. that is what radiation disease is, it is a thyroid David Wolfe: Absolutely. Yes. Definitely. Just cancer. good immunological nutrition, which to me is Okay, so the thyroid and thyroxin and the actually a food category. production of T3 in your body is actually Nadine: Yes. anti-estrogen and pro-progesterone. So this I did not mention this before when we were David Wolfe: I think at this point it is actually talking about that is that basically you want the most important food category. It is like good if you are low in progesterone and look, I like lettuce, lettuce is great. Tomatoes you are high in cortisol and estrogen that are wonderful, you know. Cucumber, puts a pressure on your thyroid. awesome. But really it is like can you compare that to chaga mushroom? You cannot. It is Nadine: Wow. That makes sense. Yes. not even comparable. David Wolfe: Yes. So then you start to see Nadine: That is for sure. it. You are like okay, this is why we have all this stuff going on is we have got too many David Wolfe: Yes, you have got to have estrogens in our environment, in our food and that food class, which you know we call the
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just in the water and everywhere. And then on top of that we do not have progesterone to balance it all out, then that puts a pressure on the thyroid. The next thing you know someone is hypothyroid. So definitely there is a relationship there.
iodine do you suggest? Because that is a big sort of there are so many options.
David Wolfe: Yes. I like Nascent liquid iodine, N-a-s-c-e-n-t. Nascent liquid iodine is good. That is what I use. And it is basically like 11 drops a day is what I kind of am doing. If you have good thyroid function, if you Sometimes I will do a little more, sometimes have good vitamin D3, if you have good a little less. progesterone you are going to have good bone density, you are going to have good Nadine: And what is the difference between teeth. If you do not, then it is like you are not there is iodine and iodide? being able to stack the odds in your favor. David Wolfe: Yes, iodide. Basically those Then there is going to be a pressure that is capsules, or actually they are tablets that going to be put on your system that is going are sold to protect you from radiation is to start impinging on your mineral density potassium iodide and that is kind of a toxic and your bone density and your quality of compound. Like it will save you, but you your teeth from the hormonal perspective, cannot do that kind of iodine every day. which I think is primary. There is no question Nadine: Right. about it. Nadine: Yes. Absolutely the teeth I mean David Wolfe: It will save you from radiation poisoning for example, but it is an emergency the hormones are involved with the teeth. use type of a thing. David Wolfe: Yes. It is very strong correlation. So again, you think well what can Nadine: Okay. progesterone cream do, you know? Actually David Wolfe: And what we are more into is a lot. What can taking care of your thyroid like what can you use what kind of daily, do? Like basically cleaning up your diet, like what is more of an appropriate kind of making sure if you can and you feel like your daily thing. Or at least a few times a week. So body can accept it, taking iodine as a liquid you start building up the iodine versus the supplement. chlorine and the bromine and the radioactive And by the way, iodine not only protects your thyroid, it protects you from chlorine, it protects from bromine, which is the number one contaminant in chemtrails. It protects you from radioactive iodine. It is powerful stuff. I mean iodine I have some of the top iodine people in the country, like literally give me three-hour personal lectures on what iodine is all about and I have been like whoa. Nadine: Wow. David Wolfe: It is powerful stuff. iodine. You start being able to like drive that stuff back or you do not absorb it. And this is a big factor in breast cancer because your breast tissue or your whole endocrine system, but your reproductive system, it sucks up halogens, like chlorine fluorine too. I mean fluoride absolutely use iodine instead. This is insanity using fluorine. My God. Nadine: It is so insane for sure. And what is the difference between the Nascent and the Lugols iodine?
David Wolfe: Lugols iodine is very good also. Nadine: Yes. I just got a book on iodine and breast cancer. It is fascinating. What type of Nadine: Okay.
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David Wolfe: Just from people in the industry, their opinion is that Nascent is better than Lugols iodine. I have used Lugols iodine; I do not really like it as much as Nascent iodine, but that is just my opinion. Nadine: Cool. We like your opinion. And then what about hydrogen peroxide? David Wolfe: I am more of a fan of colloidal silver for the oral environment. And the reason is because I like hydrogen peroxide, I used it for years especially for any kind of dental any issue because it just immediately kills infections. But then so does colloidal silver. And the difference is that the hydrogen peroxide is a little bit more inflammatory. So for example, let us say you cut yourself and you are like what should I use hydrogen peroxide or should I use colloidal silver? If you use hydrogen peroxide it can actually expand the wound and it is a little bit inflammatory. So I recommend colloidal silver. So over the years I have kind of switched away from hydrogen peroxide and switched over to colloidal silver. Now let us talk about the politics of colloidal silver. They do not want you to have colloidal silver that is above ten parts per million. And in fact in Canada, I know it is illegal to sell colloidal silver that is over ten parts per million. The amount that you really need to like kill every infection is 350 parts per million. Nadine: Wow. Okay.
Nadine: Oh, that is really good to know. I also find daily use of hydrogen peroxide is a little bit too astringent and irritating to the gums. David Wolfe: Yes. It has that inflammatory property that is like I mean I love hydrogen peroxide, I think it is just a gift Nadine: Yes. David Wolfe: you know a gift from heaven. But at the same time for sensitive mouth environments colloidal silver. Nadine: Yes. That is good to know. It is such a good thing to have on hand. And then what about magnesium? Do you think it can be used in oral care? Magnesium oil sorry, the oil in that? David Wolfe: It might be able to. I have had no experience with that so I do not really know. I could not really comment on it even. Nadine: Okay. And what about ways to get sulfur in the body? MSM, that kind of thing? David Wolfe: Yes. I mean it is really it really comes down to MSM, which is actually a very overall a very good angle because it is a methylated substance so that helps your body to lower estrogens, bad estrogens in the body. And that is something that MSM is able to do. So MSM is pretty darn powerful because it is not only a good sulfur source, but it is also a methyl donor. So it actually is like B vitamins, you know it works like B vitamins essentially.
David Wolfe: So I would recommend getting Nadine: Oh, cool. your own colloidal silver generator, which David Wolfe: I also like DMSO topically if you they have not made illegal yet somehow. know how to use it. I mean DMSO is amazing Nadine: Yes. That is what we have. if you know how to use it, but you really David Wolfe: Yes. And then that way you can have to know how to use it. So you need to get a little stronger of a concentration. Now read some books on it. DMSO is much more I do not know if a colloidal silver generator reactive than MSM and it is actually better will go 350 parts per million, but it definitely than MSM. But you have to use it carefully goes a lot higher than ten parts per million, because it is a chemical solvent and if you use it incorrectly you can drive things in your which is essentially not strong enough.
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body like soap particles and those things David Wolfe: Absolutely. I have smelled that you do not want to have driven in your body. on people. Where you are like you are around Dyes from your clothes, stuff like that. them and you are like whoa, something is like off in their gut. You can tell that is not just in their mouth environment, but it is actually So hydration means water it is something a lot deeper and they have and salt, water and salt, water like a digestive infection or something like that. And in that case, you know that person and salt, the combination of really has to do some colonics, some inner cleansing and also turn the tide with the those two things. probiotics. Get basically the ocean to wash in a different biofilm that is able to overcome Nadine: Right. Okay. That is good to know. the internal infection. And what are your top tips for good breath? Nadine: Yes. That is very important. And David Wolfe: Again, bad breath is a mortal do you have any tips for saliva flow? Like if sin. So what I usually do is I have different people are having a lack of saliva. things around, like I use frankincense a bit. Actually, like if I am doing a lecture I will have David Wolfe: Good question. I mean you a bottle of frankincense in my pocket that I know I have got my friend, Genesis, staying got from Living Libations. And so I will just with me and, you know he basically his rub that right into my gums. I like to keep my belief is that you can produce all the water tongue scraped; that helps a lot. And again in your body necessary if you can produce using floss to just get all the particles out. saliva. So it probably has something to do with dehydration. I have definitely just And then also just being cognizant and running with that theory that, you know aware of parts of my mouth where, I do not our body produces all its own water and know, my tongue is not active in or, you know it is in our saliva and all you have to do is that is kind of like a dead zone. So I am just produce saliva and you are creating basically moving the energy there a little bit. That is something from nothing. I mean that is how something you have to kind of think about amazing a human being is. if you are very conscious about your breath, you do not want to have areas in your mouth But if you are really chronically dehydrated, where there is like a bacteria accumulation. then you are a deficit. So hydration means water and salt, water and salt, water and For example like way back in the back molars salt, the combination of those two things. on the upper side of your teeth or something. But that is something to think about. And You may never get your tongue back there definitely spring water helps. I have known and there may be actually a buildup of so many people over the years who have bacteria back there. So you want to kind of be told me they could never get hydrated on cognizant, like hey, when you are building up any water until they started drinking spring bacteria, you are going to build up that odor. water. Three months into drinking spring Nadine: Yes. Yes, and then I feel like it is from water all of a sudden they are hydrated and the guts too. So if somebody is constipated they can actually then produce saliva. David Wolfe: Definitely. Nadine: they are probably not going to have the best breath. Nadine: Yes, that makes so much sense. And probably by three months they have changed over their body with the spring
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water changed over the water content in book just came together all the parts and their body. pieces and it is an incredible scientific book. I am very, very proud of it. It is 216 pages, David Wolfe: Yes. Exactly. And then you start which is much bigger than I thought it was getting a deeper level of hydration. Now, I going to be. And I do have the whole theory just want to say one more thing about this that mushrooms are from outer space with hydration bit, is that spring water, especially the scientific evidence to back it in that book. fresh spring water has the entire array of what water is in it. There are fractions of water for Nadine: Right on. Cannot wait. Okay, my last example that will not freeze at minus ten, question is, if you could have the tooth fairy minus 20, minus 30, minus 40, minus 50, minus of the world put a message for children under 60. And those specifically dense fractions of their pillows, what would it be? water are actually what hydrates you at the deeper and deeper levels of your body. So the David Wolfe: Brush and floss daily, take care stuff that does not freeze down to minus 60 is of your teeth and they will take care of you. Avoid dental surgeries at all cost, even if your like what is hydrating your DNA. parents say you need it. So it is very likely that we have been on some kind of filtered tap water or some kind of Nadine: Perfect. But David Wolfe said I did alkalized filtered tap water or something. We not need the root canal. are not getting actually the whole spectrum David Wolfe: Like mommy, I do not want to of water, so therefore we cannot really get go to the dentist. You know when I was kid, the depth of hydration that we really deserve when I was like I think it was in second or and that we really need for great health. third grade, I went to the optometrist and Nadine: Yes. I am thinking you are making the guy said you are going to have to wear me want to drink spring water right now. It is glasses. And I said there is no way I am wearing glasses. Absolutely not. No. I do not like oh, yes. care, I will be blind, I am not wearing glasses David Wolfe: I have got four different spring no matter what. waters in my house right now that I drink Then one of his assistants or somebody said [inaudible] to me, they are like, you know and I was just Nadine: Oh, [inaudible]. Sure. a little kid, I was like seven or eight years old. He said you know what, you are reading in David Wolfe: for you. It is great. the dark; just stop reading in the dark, your Nadine: Can you tell us about your new book eyes will be fine. So I took that advice guess what happened? My eyes were perfectly fine coming out? the next time I went back. David Wolfe: I have got a book coming out on chaga mushroom, and that comes out on So this is kind of what is going on with teeth. September 11. And what an incredible thing It is like if you eat right and you take care of that is. I mean that was a book that was like your teeth and you get the minerals that you it kept coming back to me like you need to require and you do your proper oral care, actually write a book on this. This is like the your teeth will repair themselves as long as [inaudible] thing, and now I need to focus on the damage is not too extensive and you will be fine. So just you have to be careful this other thing, and it was like, nope, this. about these doomsday reports. Every dentist And so step by step by step, it became the is going to give you a doomsday report complete focus of what I was doing and the because that is what they do.
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It is not they are trying to trick you or whatever, it is just that is what they are trained to do. You have to then turn that over in your own noggin and go does this make real sense here? Do I really you know am I really should I listen to this doomsday report? Again, I have had dentists tell me doomsday report ten years ago I got a doomsday report on my cracked tooth. It is going to be this, it is going to be that, this is going to happen, this is blah-blah-blah. Ten years later, no problem. I think it is better now than it was ten years ago.
And so you have to actually come off of it slowly or else the entire environment in your mouth could turn bad. Because you are not using very intense antibiotics anymore. Nadine: Wow. So it would be a good thing to be swishing probiotics and salt and ?
David Wolfe: Yes. It would be good to be swishing probiotics. It would be amazing to actually just like step-by-step come off it so you just do not stop it one day. You know you do it say a couple days a week and then you switch to the other stuff a couple days a Nadine: Yes. Makes sense. It is probably week. And you gradually come off of it. regenerated. Sudden changes in your oral environment David Wolfe: So I just do not I just do not can go sour could go favorable, I mean if feel like I feel like we have got to be careful. you are young, you are healthy, things are We cannot just buy into somebodys whole good, it could go favorable. Your body can story about our teeth because we might be respond, put a nice biofilm, you know right through your mouth and everything might in trouble as a result. be great. But just to put that word of caution Nadine: Absolutely. It is really important that out there. we take our oral health and understand it, understand our teeth and not just be like Nadine: Wean off the Listerine. well, I will just see the dentist twice a year David Wolfe: Yes. and hope for the best. Use my Listerine in Nadine: Well, thank you so much and thank between. you for being so leading edge and just being David Wolfe: And a real quick thing about out there and doing all that you do. We really Crest and Listerine and all that because appreciate it. some of us are on that stuff and we are trying to get off of it. You have got to be careful David Wolfe: Right on. Thank you so much. coming off of it because you have been using This is a great summit. Good luck with antibiotics. And what that so Listerine is an everything. antibiotic, so is Scope, so is Crest, Aquafresh, Nadine: Thanks. Colgate, all of them. And what that does is it disturbs the natural biofilm in your mouth.
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Dr. Kate Rheaume-Bleue

Dr. Rheaume-Bleue is here to tell us about a little known vitamin that is essential for bones and teeth.
Transcript of Nadine Artemis and Dr. Kate Rheaume-Bleue
is a contributing editor on topics related to natural medicine. Welcome to the call and thank you so much for your time today and writing such a gem of a book. Dr. Kate: Well, thank you. It is my pleasure to be here.
Nadine: Our guest today knows deeply about bone health. Dr. Rheaume-Bleue is here to tell us about a little known vitamin that is essential for bones and teeth. And Dr. Kate will dispel the myth surrounding calcium.
Nadine: Thanks. In the past few years, I think Dr. Kate Rheaume-Bleue is a doctor of just our general North American culture, naturopathic medicine and author of the probably Europe as well, but many people book, Vitamin K2 and the Calcium Paradox: are becoming aware that there is a vast How a Little-Known Vitamin Could Save deficiency of Vitamin D. Do you think we have Your life. A former faculty member of the the same situation going on with Vitamin K2? Canadian College of Naturopathic Medicine, Dr. Kate: Definitely. And even more so because Dr. Kate is an expert in the field of natural vitamin K2 has been so long overlooked and health. She speaks across the country and misunderstood. And this really is not some,

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you know little micronutrient. It is as important in our bodies as vitamin D, about which, you know we have heard so much and there has been so much research and information. And yet this partner nutrient that works with vitamin D has been overlooked. Nadine: Absolutely. What there is no book like this, so it is so great that you have put all of this research together and focused on this big little-known vitamin so to speak. What got you set on the path with vitamin K2? Dr. Kate: I sort of tuned in to the emerging consciousness and really research around this nutrient a few years ago. And once I realized the importance of this vitamin that had been overlooked, I thought oh, well, you know this is going to become the next big thing in the sense that we will start to see the kind of research and news and press around this that we have seen around vitamin D. And yet that just did not happen. And the research was mounting and mounting. And when I started digging into it I found evidence in research for the benefits of vitamin K2 for so many different aspects of health that I finally realized that I need to be the one to write a book about it and start speaking about it because nobody else really was yet in the way of drawing all that information together. Nadine: That is great. Well, we are glad you did. So it is sort of I am trying to pick where to start so we can get the picture on vitamin K2. I am thinking that it is fascinating because we often get really focused on minerals for bone health such as calcium. But the K2 acts like this activator that is essential to putting the minerals and driving those minerals into the bones. Can you explain that process? And also perhaps integrate what you know this whole hype with the calcium supplements and maybe how that can be harmful. So maybe you can put all that together for us.
Dr. Kate: Sure. Definitely. Nadine: Big question. Dr. Kate: Yes, it is a big question. But it is relatively straightforward in the sense that on a very simple level vitamin K2 is a nutrient that will take calcium and guide it around the body. So it will activate certain proteins that help to guide calcium into bones and teeth where we want the calcium to be. And on the other side it also will help prevent the deposition and even remove the deposits of calcium where we do not want calcium to be, in places like the arteries and other soft tissues where calcium can build up and be harmful. And so that is really the role of vitamin K2 or a major role of vitamin K2 is this calcium metabolism, keeping calcium in its place. And that is where the controversy around calcium supplements have come up. Because in recent years at least three big studies have shown that people who take calcium supplements have a much greater incidence of heart attacks and strokes than those who do not. And really what we see happening is essentially a buildup of calcium and calciumladen plaque or hardening of the arteries more so in people who are having calcium supplements. And so when these studies came about, the question was oh, well is calcium safe, is calcium harmful. And essentially we will never really be able to properly answer that question because that is the wrong question to ask. And what we need to understand is how to keep calcium in its right place in the body. Because whether or not you are taking a calcium supplement, heart attack and stroke heart disease is the number one killer of both men and women, which means that calcium can get into the wrong places in all of us.
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And it turns out that vitamin K2 is a major factor in removing calcium from where it is not supposed to be and putting calcium into places where we want it, like our bones to prevent osteoporosis or treat osteoporosis as well as our teeth to help prevent and treat dental cavities.
teeth is very similar to the buildup of calcium in other areas of the body. And vitamin K2 is very important here because it is actually delivered directly into the mouth, through the saliva glands and this is where it plays that role in helping maintain oral health.
Nadine: And does the K2 also activate other minerals into the bones like phosphorus for Nadine: Yes. And can you tell us about the work of Dr. Weston Price and the Activator X example? that he studied? Dr. Kate: Well all of the minerals will work in concert and in combination with one Dr. Kate: Well, this is so interesting because another. K2 directly activates proteins that essentially there was a huge body of evidence will take specifically calcium and guide those about vitamin K2 that existed for a long time into the bones. But of course we need a right under our noses and under the noses of, balance of magnesium, phosphorus and all you know medical and health professionals the other minerals in order for the calcium to and researchers. And yet it was overlooked because it went by this pseudonym, or you be retained and utilized properly. know hidden name of Activator X. Nadine: Yes. That is true. And also one of the is also one of the things that calcium And this is based on the work of Weston being in soft tissues, is that also manifest in Price, who of course is the famous dentist a buildup of calcium in the mouth, like the who traveled around the world to discover you know to look for healthy people and calculus, like excess calcium in the saliva? determine what made them so. Because he Dr. Kate: Well, that is a very interesting found that people in North America where thing. You know in a lot of these conditions he was practicing had a lot of dental cavities like osteoporosis or heart disease, they are and other types of diseases that are very not obvious problems. You cannot look at common. yourself in the mirror and tell that you have a problem with your bone density or say a heart attack is imminent or heart disease is Well all of the minerals progressing. But one area where you can see will work in concert and in the results of this is in the mouth.
combination with one another.
And I have been surprised at the amount of people, who since reading my book or perhaps seeing me at a lecture on this topic, have contacted me to say since they have changed their diet to increase their vitamin K2 intake or started taking a K2 supplement, that they really notice a difference in their mouth. And so the plaque either crumbles off or just does not build up the way it did. And yes, that is one area in the body where you can see that the buildup of tartar around the
And he found one thing that was common to the diets of all traditional people who were healthy and did not develop cavities and did not have toothbrushes or floss and still never needed them, was the fact they had a lot of fat-soluble vitamins in their diet. High levels of vitamin A and D and a third fat-soluble vitamin that he recognized was there, was distinct from A and D, but was not sure what it was. So he just called this Activator X.

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And he recognized the fact that Activator X was very important for helping guide minerals around the body, helping the body utilize the minerals and water-soluble vitamins that it got from the diet that was really dependent on these fat-soluble vitamins. So for a long time the identity of Activator X was really under debate. And just a few years ago, this was shown to be vitamin K2.
Nadine: With a great success. Sometimes depending on the study ranging from 40 to 90%, from what I understand.
Dr. Kate: Remarkable success. Yes, and he even shows as you know, the pictures. So he takes radiograph x-ray images of the teeth before and after and it is astonishing to see these images. Since we think of cavities as well, once you have a cavity there is nothing So now Activator X is widely believed to you can do about it except having it drilled be vitamin K2 and the properties of K2 fit and filled. And yet the teeth are absolutely exactly with the Activator X. And among the able to regenerate and you can see this in benefits that Weston Price showed was that these before and after pictures. this Activator X was excellent at preventing and even treating dental cavities. So here Nadine: Yes. I love that. It just is like oh, yes, of was a dentist who actually stopped drilling course every part of our body has an ability and filling teeth pretty much because he to regenerate itself. was able to treat teeth with this nutritional Dr. Kate: Right. Yes, we just need the right protocol using this vitamin. nutrients to do it and, you know for millions Nadine: Yes. And he found, you know well of years people did not have dentists and we will talk about that one in a second I was toothbrushes and floss, and that is because going to ask what people could take that has they were not needed when they had adequate vitamin K in it, and like what food sources amounts of these nutrients in the diet. and what supplements. Dr. Kate: Yes, that is right. So certainly in Prices case, he was using exclusively food and he found that the food that was highest in this Activator X and something he ended up making was a concentrate of grass-fed butter. So it turns out that and this is why in my book I have called this the grass-fed vitamin. When animals are out on pasture, so cows, chickens, pigs, all these creatures herbivores essentially are out eating grass and have green foods in their diet, they end up having a lot more vitamin K2 in their fatsoluble tissues. So egg yolks, dairy products, all of these things because of the fat-soluble vitamin will have a lot more vitamin K2 in them. So Price used a concentrate of grassfed butter along with cod liver oil, which is a source of vitamins A and D, and together with these three vitamins this is what he used to treat dental cavities.
Nadine: Yes. So that is also why there is probably such a deficiency in North America of the K2 vitamin because if people are eating a standard American diet, nobody is really eating grass-finished foods. And so, do you think if people are eating just sort of standard grain-fed, sort of factory-farm
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animal products, is there any K2 content in that if they have not seen a blade of grass?
Nadine: Sure.
Dr. Kate: because really the reason why Dr. Kate: It is pretty negligible. I mean for vitamin K2 was overlooked for so long is example if you want to compare egg yolks is because it was confused with this partner probably the easiest thing to compare. The nutrient, which is vitamin K1. And there is a average store-bought sort of factory farmed big difference between them. Often when egg yolk may have five to ten micrograms of people refer to vitamin K, if they just say vitamin K2 in it versus 40 to 50. So four to vitamin K and they do not specify, they are five times higher or more in a grass-fed egg really referring to K1 and this found in green yolk. So you could get a worthwhile amount leafy vegetables and its role is in blood of vitamin K2 in your diet with a few grass-fed clotting. So when we eat this from green eggs per day. Whereas you would probably leafies our body uses it to make sure our have to eat a dozen or more of the factory- blood can clot appropriately. farmed eggs to have a worthwhile effect. So And so since the K vitamins were discovered, that is really just not feasible. all the focus on vitamin K was on K1 and Now it is worthwhile mentioning that although this blood-clotting vitamin, and that is why fed-grass food is a very important way to K2 was overlooked. Because K2 does not get more vitamin K2 in our diets, fermented participate in blood clotting and unlike foods, there are certain types of fermented vitamin K1, vitamin K2 deficiency is very foods that are also and can be very high common. K1 deficiency, the blood clotting in vitamin K2 because the bacteria make vitamin deficiency is almost unheard of, it is vitamin K2. So that is another important very, very rare. And that is why for so long source because yes, grass-fed foods are people assumed you could not be deficient in important and delicious and very healthful vitamin K, but you can you can be deficient for lots of reasons. They have lots more of in vitamin K2. So that was sort of the mix up all kinds of different nutrients, but they can between those two. be hard to come by. So fermented foods can be a good option for people who cannot find So again, K1 from green leafy vegetables it really only participates in blood clotting. K2 grass-fed foods. comes from either grass-fed or fermented Nadine: Great. And also fermented foods are foods and it is the one that will protect your amazing for digestion and oral care. Because bones and teeth and heart and even from whatever is good for the guts is also good things like cancer. So that is the main thing. for the mouth. So that is a good tip. Also, there probably are a lot of vegetarian and And the other one was what about for say vegan listeners, which is understandable vegans and vegetarians, people who are not too because a lot of people are rejecting eating a lot of animal foods and supplements, the path of the factory-farmed foods. So the there is one food that is vegetarian and a great news is that K2 is also available as a vegan food, and it is a fermented foods supplement. Can you explain that source of called natto, n-a-t-t-o. This is a Japanese K2, and also what the difference is between fermented soybean food that is eaten as a breakfast food in some areas of Japan. And K1 and K2? the bacteria that ferment these soybeans Dr. Kate: Oh, that is a very good question. make a lot of vitamin K2 in the process. Well, I should preface and maybe do that first

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So people can either look for natto, I warn you it is an acquired taste, it is yes, kind of an interesting sticky, slimy texture as well, or you can look for supplements made from this. So it makes it an easy way to make a supplement. And you look for something on the side of the label that says MK7 or menaquinone-7. That is just the technical word for vitamin K2, and this is the form of vitamin K2 that comes from this fermented food, which is quite useful in practice and as a supplement because you do not need much of it to get a good result. Nadine: And then is there anything you do not want in a vitamin K2 supplement? Dr. Kate: Well, certainly if for especially for Canadian shoppers, if you are looking for a vitamin K supplement you want to make sure that it is all K2. Because as I mentioned before some supplements do contain vitamin K1 and that is it is pretty much useless because a deficiency of vitamin K1 is extremely rare or unheard of. And so you do not need to pay for that in your supplement. You want to make sure the supplement is all entirely vitamin K2.
vitamin D product, you can just get K2 in its own or if this is new to you, you can look for a combined K and D product. But I do not have a preference necessarily over a liquid versus a soft gel. These are fat-soluble vitamins so they need to be in a fat-based medium, so whether that is in an oil-based liquid dropper or oil within soft gels, I think they are both just as good.
I think the combination of vitamin D and K2 is excellent because they work together as partners anyway.
Nadine: That is good to know. And also in your book you actually mention two of my favorite sources for butter, which is the ghee from pure Indian foods and also the fermented butter from greenerpastures. com. And I thought that was also interesting how you felt they were probably offering the same amount of K2.
Dr. Kate: Yes. I mean essentially, you know a grass-fed butter concentrate is what Weston There is also a certain type of synthetic Price used as, you know to treat dental vitamin K2 products on the market and you cavities. It is a very concentrated form of will see that listed on the label as MK4 or vitamin K2. And that is essentially grass-fed menatetrenone; usually it will say MK4. And butter ghee. Ghee is of course a traditional this form of synthetic vitamin K2 is not as food in India and many parts of the world effective. You need to take it in very, very where they will gently melt down butter to high doses and so for best results look for the get this butter oil out of it. And that is what MK7, this is the natural from the fermented the Green excuse me, the Pure Indian Foods food form and that is much more effective. Company is offering. Nadine: And do you prefer personally prefer And, you know grass-fed butter is challenging the liquid one over like a capsule? Because I to come by here, although certainly if you know there are some liquids and sometimes can find it, it is very tasty, but these are ways they combine D3. that people can get these kinds of foods Dr. Kate: Yes. I think the combination of through mail order. And I think they are going vitamin D and K2 is excellent because they to become more common as well to find in work together as partners anyway. So if you health food stores. are already taking vitamin D, if you have a
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Nadine: That is true. What we do in our house is we have the ghee for cooking and foods and all of our you know like putting ghee on wild rice and everything. And then for Leif, we give him a couple teaspoons of the concentrated fermented butter from Green Pastures each day just for his oral health. So we sort of use it like that.
that vitamin K2 is as important as folic acid for pregnant women and it will help in the development of the primary and the adult teeth as well as the bones and facial form for the developing fetus. And really, you know cavity prevention starts in utero starts while you are growing a healthy child.
Nadine: Yes, it is very key. But on a side note, Dr. Kate: Yes, that is right. Oh, and this is so what is the business with those K shots that a important for kids. Yes, I had been giving my lot of people that they give in hospitals and son before I found out about the ghee, I had stuff? For the been giving my son a small soft gel of vitamin K2 and D together, since he was about two Dr. Kate: Well, that years old because they were small enough Nadine: your baby. for him to chew or swallow. But now, yes, we Dr. Kate: Right. The vitamin K shots. do the grass-fed butter ghee. Interesting. I originally had a whole page Nadine: Oh, that is great. Yes, Leif actually about this in the book and then the editor even chews the cod liver oil capsules the decided it was a side shoot because it is fermented cod really focusing on vitamin K1, but it is based Dr. Kate: Yes. Oh, the fermented ones? Wow. on the idea that newborns are technically Yes, a lot of kids, we are really surprised that deficient in vitamin K. They have lower levels they just seem to love it. Maybe they know than an adult would, and in rare instances what their bodies need, but a lot of them do this can lead to sort of a bleeding disease of the newborn, which is quite serious but not mind, the way you think. extremely are. Nadine: Yes, for sure. And also I just for women that are pregnant because this is also And so there has been a practice developed really when the teeth are forming. They are to give universal vitamin K shots at birth. It forming, you know in hiding behind those has become controversial because some gum lines, so it is a great pregnancy food. individuals suggest that perhaps this leads And I also like how in the book you mention to an increased incidence of other kinds of that in traditional cultures, some native illness later in life. But that remains sort of cultures, they were also making sure that the it has not been definitively proven. I do feel men had diets rich in vitamin K foods before that the body, you know the fetus has a lower level of vitamin K for specific reasons. And procreation before conception. again, this is K1 and not K2 Dr. Kate: That is right. That is right. And now we know that vitamin K2 dependent Nadine: Yes. proteins have a very important effect on Dr. Kate: so there are two different things sperm production and male fertility. So that here. But it is something that if people are certainly supports the traditional practices of pregnant or expecting and they want to making sure men had these vitamin K2 rich do some researching on it, it may be worth foods in their diets. investigating. And, yes, if one thing comes out of the book, Nadine: Yes. And know that it is sometimes I hope that it is that people will understand an effort, but if you feel like it is something

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you want to opt out of, you can. But it takes depends on how those eggs and butter effort to say that you do not want to have it. have been raised. And, you know in the Not to summertime a grass-fed egg yolk, two of those will probably provide you with Dr. Kate: Yes, it might be about 100 micrograms of vitamin K2. I would recommend that you are getting for Nadine: [Inaudible] optimal health 200 micrograms of vitamin Dr. Kate: Yes, that is right. It is worth looking K2. My recommendations have gone up a at the risk factors, whether the labor has been little bit since I wrote the book, so now I am long and difficult, or whether the labor has recommending about 200 micrograms of been easy and the child is healthy and full term vitamin K2 per day. may make a difference as to whether the shot So you can get this that would be optimally is indicated rather than giving it universally. four grass-fed egg yolks for example. The Nadine: Yes. Yes. That is a good point. So, let content of butter varies and so that would be us just do a little recap on how K2 helps with something that you would just incorporate dental health and also how much K2 is sort sort of liberally in your diet. Not necessarily of ideal to get in every day. So we could have we would not be able necessarily count maybe a measurement number and then teaspoons or tablespoons on that because sort of like a food number, like one egg and the content varies. one tablespoon of butter or, you know what I mean? So we can put it in practical terms Or if you are looking at a fermented food well, I do have a list in my book of the as well. vitamin K2 content of foods. Brie cheese and Dr. Kate: Sure. Well K2 helps with dental Gouda cheese are very, very high, so a few health in a number of ways. In the very ounces of those. You can add up how many sort of straightforward level it does help you would need. Natto, this is the fermented guide calcium into the teeth to maintain the soybean food, natto; one or two servings of density and structure of the tooth material that a week would likely provide you with the and essentially, you know the bones of the amount of K2 that you need. So there are teeth. It also will help with preventing and sort of varying ways depending on your diet treating plaque buildup and tarter buildup, or how much you want to get to add up what calculus around the teeth because that is you need on that. But it will vary depending very important for gum disease. on how the food is produced. And how we get optimal amounts of vitamin K2 to prevent and treat dental cavities certainly there are food-based systems. I know you have already interviewed Ramiel Nagel on his book and food-based systems there. And we want to be able to find also sort of practical simple everyday ways to make sure that we are incorporating enough K2 rich foods in our diet. Nadine: That is excellent. Yes, and also the cheese, the gouda, I remember reading in your book too, it is good to get that European like two, four-year-aged gouda and that is very orange in color because anything that is and the butters that are more yellow, more golden, that is the higher K too. Or those really beautiful colored egg yolks. That is when you know just on a more intuitive level How we can measure that in terms of how that you are getting rich foods. many eggs or egg yolks and teaspoons of Dr. Kate: That is exactly right. As a matter butter, it does vary somewhat because it of fact the color of the fat, like those lovely
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orange egg yolks that we find in grassfed eggs, that color does indicate a higher K2 content. The color comes from betacarotene but the beta-carotene comes along with vitamin K2. Nadine: That is cool. That is good to know. I also there is a great part in your book that talks about K2 for skin. I am not sure what that chapter is called, but can you tell us more about that? And that study about the women when they tested the wrinkles?
care of the bones and that will also take care of your skin. Dr. Kate: That is right. That is right. I mean we do develop our lifetime maximum bone density essentially by age 20 and Nadine: Wow.
Dr. Kate: so that is really an important time during the teen years to build the bones as much as possible. And it is no coincidence that teens tend to get a lot of cavities. And Dr. Kate: Oh, yes. Yes, this is so neat. So it turns that is not a matter of just brushing and out that one of the things that contributes flossing, but a sign that you need to make to skin wrinkling is that the elastic tissues sure during those formative years when in our skin that help maintain the resiliency the body is growing and the hormones are of the skin, they can become deposited increasing that we have enough nutrients to microscopically over time with calcium in the build our bones and teeth for later in life. And similar way that calcium can deposit in our then of course for the rest of life maintenance arteries and other soft tissues. And vitamin becomes very important. K2 dependent protein play a real role here. Nadine: Oh, yes. That is excellent to know. So the same types of K2 dependent proteins Also if we are not getting the K2 to deliver that will take calcium out of our arteries that calcium into our bones, is there also an will help with skin. And so vitamin K2 then issue of excess calcium in the kidneys? becomes a very important anti-wrinkle vitamin. And sure enough it turns out studies have been done that look at the relationship between skin wrinkling and bone density. And facial wrinkling independent of any other factor has been found to be a predictor of bone density. So in other words women with more facial wrinkles tend to have lower bone density. Of course both of these things relate to calcium. Dr. Kate: Yes. The kidneys is one area really, you know you can see unusual calcifications and inappropriate calcifications in all areas of the body, all kinds of different things. From simple things like heel spurs, bone spurs, kidney stones and inappropriate calcification can build up not just in carotid arteries that feed the heart itself, but on heart valves excuse me, not the carotid, the coronary arteries that feed the heart itself, the carotid, So we are seeing, you know more calcium the heart valve, all kinds of inappropriate buildup in the skin, less calcium in the bones. unusual calcifications in the body. And K2 is an Both of these are connected to vitamin K2, important factor in preventing inappropriate which of course puts calcium back in its place. calcium buildup throughout the body. So it is pretty neat to think of a study that has Nadine: Another thing I found a great tip actually shown, you know facial wrinkling to be that you had in your book because we are connected to, and a predictor of bone density. experiencing everybody is being educated Nadine: Yes. That is excellent. So, you know now on D3, lots of people are taking D3 if you are experiencing tooth issues in your supplements. And that you highlighted that 20s, 30s and 40s that is a good sign to take if we take just D3 and not K2 then we are activating all these proteins and they could

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just stay in the soft those activated proteins to do when you are looking at food sources might sort of backfire. or properly balancing your supplements, that is really important to get the best and, you Dr. Kate: Yes. Exactly it. I mean we all love know the most benefit that you are looking to hear about the super nutrients and the for from taking these nutrients. ultimate nutrient, but the fact is no nutrient works on its own. And I do have a chapter Nadine: Yes. Yes, that is such a good thing for in the book devoted to the relationship everybody to know. And again it is that trio between vitamin D, K2 and A, the three that also Dr. Weston Price wrote about and that major fat-soluble vitamins. And it is very you are writing about is it is that trio for bone important news for anybody who has been health, for teeth health. It is those fat-soluble on the vitamin D bandwagon. vitamins that feed and that we need as a trio.
Expectant moms, again very important. And people who are concerned about their dental health need to understand about vitamin K2.
Yes, vitamin D is excellent, has a number of health benefits, but it has friends and it needs to work with these partners for your optimal health. And so, you know there has been a lot of debate around how much vitamin D is an optimal amount and lots of studies that vary and recommendations that vary from quite small, like 400 international units to quite high. And so what is the truth? And the truth is how much vitamin D is optimal is it depends. And it depends on how much of the other fat-soluble vitamins you have. So to speak to the point you are making, Nadine, the more vitamin D you take, essentially the greater need you create in your body for vitamin K2. And the side effects of too much vitamin D, although we do not see them that often, the side effects are essentially from a lack of K2. So when we have too much D, we see this inappropriate calcification in the body. But K2 corrects that.
Dr. Kate: That is right. Nadine: Yes. Dr. Kate: I mean, you know A, D and K, they really work together. And I do talk a little bit in the book about the fact that vitamin A for some reason has received a whole lot of bad press. And it is funny that just as vitamin D has received so much good press, vitamin A has been inappropriately maligned for being harmful. But it is like the gas and the brakes on the car; you absolutely need both for the car to work properly. You cannot say you just need one or the other. So you need A and D in a balance with vitamin K2 to make it all work properly. Nadine: And I found your book fascinating of course I hope other people do as well. Who should read it? Dr. Kate: Well, really first of all, anybody who is taking a calcium supplement for any reason will really benefit and probably find some eye-opening information in the book. And anybody who is concerned about their bone health or heart health, there are a lot of people out there who are concerned about heart health or confused about cholesterol. Whether or not they should take cholesterollowering medications. They are excellent candidates for learning the information about vitamin K2.
So having an appropriate balance between all the fat-soluble vitamins, which can be easier Expectant moms, again very important. And people who are concerned about their dental
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health need to understand about vitamin K2. So it really targets a lot of different individuals with sort of wide range of health concerns. Anybody who has been taking vitamin D and is interested in health in general will learn some new and interesting information in vitamin K2 and the calcium paradox.
But the whole thing about cholesterol is like such a myth. You know what I mean? Like there has just been so much misinformation about that. And all the people that are on our dental summit including Hal Huggins help to dispel that. And do you go into cholesterol in your book so that everybody can know they can have some butter and they will not, you Nadine: Absolutely. And I think, you know know get fat and have a heart attack. knowing the state of your oral health you will be able to tell if you might be needing some K2 Dr. Kate: Yes. I definitely do talk about that. in your diet. But also in the book you go into You know cholesterol, understanding it, when how to test for it and it is a bit difficult to test, it is a concern to pay attention to and when but you came up with some good solutions. it is not. And, you know something I did not focus on and has come to light more so since Dr. Kate: Yes. Currently the best, most useful the publishing of the book is that vitamin K2 tests are not yet available to the market, but travels in the blood to the places where you that should be pretty soon that they will be want it to be on cholesterol. available. But for people who are looking to gauge that well, first of all vitamin K2 And so when you have a lot of we know that has no toxicity so it will not hurt to take it total cholesterol is not a concern for heart or increase it in your diet anyway. But that disease, but it is the oxidized cholesterol. is worthwhile information there about those And it turns out the oxidized cholesterol is who are interested in testing. not such a good carrier of vitamin K2, which kind of begs the question, well what is the Nadine: Great. And my final question is if you problem? Is it the cholesterol or the fact could have the tooth fairy put a message for that cholesterol is not taking vitamin K2 to children under their pillows, what would it be? the places where it needs to go? And so I do Dr. Kate: Oh. Eat lots of healthy grass-fed definitely talk in the book about, you know butter and eggs. Watch out for the candy when to be concerned or not, or basically and cake maybe, not because the sugar is keeping cholesterol in its place and its so directly harmful, but it can displace other importance in our health. healthier foods from your diet. Nadine: Great. Well, thank you so much Nadine: Right. Dr. Kate: That is a complicated message for the kids, is it not? for putting all that information about K2 together in your book and I really appreciate your spending some time with us today.
Dr. Kate: Oh, thanks for having me. I enjoyed Nadine: I know. We will have their parents being here. translate for them. Nadine: Thank you. Dr. Kate: Eat butter. That is the message. Nadine: And another thing, I do not know if you go into it, but let me know if you do it is great because you also have pictures from Dr. Weston Prices work, which is just it is so fascinating. Just seeing the pictures is like worth a thousand words for sure.

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Dr. Lina Garcia

Dr. Lina Garcia is a doctor of medical dentistry and a doctor of dental surgery.
Her commitment is to shift to a new medical and dental paradigm. One that integrates the Nadine: Our next guest person as a whole, and not as mechanical deeply understands the parts. The purpose of her wellness center integral relationship between and her website is to educate patients, the health of our mouths and physicians and dentists to make better and the health of our bodies. Dr. wiser choices for themselves and their loved Lina Garcia is a doctor of medical dentistry ones. and a doctor of dental surgery. She is also For great articles on Dr. Garcias practice and trained in cranial osteopathy. Dr. Garcia has holistic dentistry, including an interactive been in practice for over 30 years. tooth meridian chart, please visit her website
Transcript of Nadine Artemis and Dr. Lina Garcia
At her thriving holistic dental center in South Barrington, Illinois, she offers successful dentistry without antibiotics, root canals, fluoride treatments and mercury fillings. Dr. Garcia is dedicated to the research, teaching and practice of alternative solutions for conventional dentistry.
at www.drlinagarcia.com. And that is spelled d-r-l-i-n-a-g-a-r-c-i-a .com. Dr. Garcia has been featured in Oprah Magazine, dr.mercola.com, and Radio One Network. Dr. Garcia is currently working on her first book, Are Your Teeth Making You Sick? Holistic Dentistry in the 21st Century.
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Welcome, and thank you so much for sharing Dr. Lina Garcia: So I was first handed trained your time with us. by Dr. Leta Visole and got to know actually Hal Huggins better through, you know the Dr. Lina Garcia: Oh, hi, Nadine. How are you? common teacher that we actually had. And back in my days with Dr. Leta Visole, working Nadine: I am good. Thank you. in his practice, he had a library and it was Dr. Lina Garcia: Thanks so much for having amazingly filled with wonderful books from me and inviting me to your program. And I am Weston Price and Dr. Cali and all the great very honored to help you and your listeners dentists throughout the times. And I think to understand better their choices and the that was my biggest introduction to all of health that they can actually accomplish by this. Granted that instinctively I already had being aware of what they are choosing to it in my soul to really kind of go towards that have, or not done in their mouth. direction and I started pretty early in my Nadine: Yes. We are so honored that you career. are participating. And your dental practice sounds awesome. And I am sure every listener wished that they had such an amazing option for dentistry where they live. Clearly you sent to dental school and you were trained in classic and conventional dentistry including dental surgery. But somehow you came out differently. And we are all curious to know what you brought you to your current understanding that modern dental practices could be so toxic to our health and wellbeing. Nadine: That is awesome, that you were exposed to that. And do dentists actually learn about nutrition in dental ?
Dr. Lina Garcia: Absolutely not. Not even physicians. I mean very little. When I came to the United States I worked at a VA hospital before I went to dental school here for my post-grad studies, and when I went to BU, to Boston University all the basics we did with the medical students at BU and nutrition was such a really small part of it. And nobody Dr. Lina Garcia: Well, I graduated in Rio, really leaves school, dental school or medical Brazil, and I think the Brazilian culture is school because we all had the same basic more open-minded for alternative medicine. science, really knowing anything about And my father ran a hospital, my uncle was a nutrition. physician and very, very alternative-minded and wrote several books on the matter. And I It is a shame. I think I heard someone saying think I was always since a very early age, very that, but it perhaps the wives of the physicians interested in healing and very passionate hit you to be more male-oriented here, but about it. Learned a lot of different modalities. they know more nutrition perhaps, than the physicians do. So dentists and physicians And when I went to dental school I was really do not utilize nutrition. Period. between medical school or dental school and I decided fortunately to actually choose Nadine: Wow. dentistry and I finished dental school as a Dr. Lina Garcia: Which is [inaudible] a shame. surgeon in Brazil. And I was very blessed to At my practice, nutrition is a huge part of it. be invited by Dr. Leta Visole to work in his When I do surgeries and, you know mercury beautiful practice in Rio. And Dr. Leta Visole removal or whatever kind of procedures we was a very interesting man, was actually the are doing, nutrition is a huge part of it. And man that introduced Hal Huggins to metal they know that. It is written down, they follow toxicity to mercury toxicity. step-by-step, and nutrition is a huge part of it. Nadine: That is right.
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And if that is not the case, the healing will not be the same because foods will cause inflammation and when you are in a phase of healing after surgeries, or even before surgeries and if you eat foods that are not cooperating with your healing, they are actually causing inflammation. So it is not for anybodys best interest not to address nutrition as a primary source of their healing. It is a huge part of the whole. It is a huge part of it. I always say
My kids in my practice all the kids, the families, they are educated nutritionally.
But if that is what they need in order to shift their understanding and awareness from a conventional nutrition and conventional eating habits that they see at parties and at friends houses and families and to one where they can have great fun, but eating Nadine: Yes. [Inaudible]. healthy. It is a huge part of your healing, of your health, of who you are, of how you Dr. Lina Garcia: Go ahead. feel, of your emotions. It all has to do with Nadine: Oh, I was just going to say not to the basic, the staff of life, which is how you mention, that could be a lack of nutrition nurture yourself. could be what caused all the dental issues in And it has this total impact on your mind the first place. and your habits and your emotions, in Dr. Lina Garcia: Absolutely. That is the whole everything that you do, in your clarity. So issue with fluoride is such a shame because nutrition, dentally speaking is a huge part of people the system has been manipulated prevention. You want to help your patients to to believe that fluoride is saving people prevent all the things that we are soon going from decay and all of that, which is totally to be talking about here. You have to start the opposite, and not mentioning nutrition with good breastfeeding. You have to start at all. My kids in my practice all the kids, with good nutrition, green juices; I mean the families, they are educated nutritionally. I it is basics. It is a basic habit to keep your even have decided lately to do some videos. body alkaline I mean the green juices. And If you go to YouTube you can see find some [inaudible] the raw foods and, you know to of my videos there. How to open a coconut really let go of all the processed foods. Nadine: Oh, great. Dr. Lina Garcia: Thank you. Nadine: That is great. Dr. Lina Garcia: [Inaudible] there is no sugars at all because the concern is always the same. The culture is so strong in sugars and processed drinks and it is such a shame that I decided to put something together just to help people to understand and to practically utilize some good foods without sugars, with Stevia, with fruits, with raw cocoa, even though I am not a big supporter of raw cocoa. And even agave, people you know there are great people that are lecturing out there and they are talking agave, and talking about agave, and really I would like to give them a consultation so they understand dentally wise why I am not supportive of some of the good stuff perhaps. I mean agave is from a cactus. You would think yes, it is okay, you extract that and that is it is not, it is a concentration of sugars. And your teeth get exposed to it and it can [inaudible] and discalcified. The same even with the honey. So I think as we raise the bar here and we get our standards to be higher and higher here, Stevia and fruits,
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raw fruits, not concentrated fruit juice, could she fueled the car with the wrong instead be a better choice to prevent all the things, of gas she put diesel by mistake. The car did Nadine, that we are going to be talking very not go more than a mile down the road. soon as I mentioned earlier. Well, it happens exactly like in our bodies. If Nadine: And also, like sugar, just to really we are not fueling our bodies with healthy because I think it has been so deeply ingrained foods and alive foods, what is going to that sugar is an issue because it is like sitting happen is perhaps we will not stop so fast a on the teeth. But from your work and from mile down the road, but we will accumulate the work of people like Dr. Melvin Page, they all the autoimmune problems and cancers. show that it is about spikes in insulin and And all of those things that we are seeing in continual spikes in the blood sugar levels a rampant situation now that, you know we that cause the deep systemic decay. question if there is other things happening there that we perhaps are not so aware. But, you know nutrition has to be the key there to prevent, even if there are other things happening. And we can talk about so many other things here that are perhaps challenging peoples immune systems. Nadine: Yes. Dr. Lina Garcia: But [inaudible] so common if people are eating sugars and having a wonderful hygiene, they still can easily have teeth that will die, teeth that will decay because the same blood that goes around your digestion and your intestines and everything, goes around your teeth. So it is Dr. Lina Garcia: Exactly. Because it causes the same, it goes back and forth. It travels this acidity in the blood, and it causes this throughout the whole body. acidity in the whole body. When you look at the body as a puzzle the system, the whole Nadine: Yes, so all connected. Because of system, not just the body, but the whole Dr. Lina Garcia: Not to mention also the system as a puzzle, there are different parts microorganisms that you are changing, the of this puzzle. And nutrition is a huge part of guts and the mouth are two environments that. As your sleep and, you know how you that are highly connected. If the guts is not handle life, there are a lot of different parts doing well because you have yeast and other here. But the nutrition is a key to health. forms of parasites and other forms of bugs There is no way out. mutating into pathogenic bugs. The mouth is If one the same as if, you know when people have expensive cars or even cheap cars for that regards, if they do not fuel the car with the right gas or diesel, the car will stop a mile down the road. I remember when my mother took her humble car to the gas station and going through the same changes. Nadine: Yes. Dr. Lina Garcia: You can have a great hygiene, but if you are pregnant or in different situations there, the hormones are changing
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too, so everything is very connected, and if the hormones are changing also you are more prone to peri disease and decay and other things. So all those Nadine: Yes. That is true. Dr. Lina Garcia: different environments are influencing each other. So you clean the mouth, you clean the guts and the healing can really take have a much better chance to do what it needs to do for a healthy life.
in miraculous ways. So instead of attacking an eye lesion or a stomach lesion or whatever sorts of even cancers or whatever, you have to change the terrain in the body. Nadine: Absolutely.
Dr. Lina Garcia: You have to change the guts; you have to change the mouth. And by changing those things you actually are going to be able to change ones stress level, ones emotions. Even us, women, which are a precious part of this wonderful nurturing Nadine: That is so true. And for cleaning up earth of ours. the guts, do you recommend like proteolytic enzymes and probiotics? Nadine: Absolutely. Dr. Lina Garcia: Yes. Well, we use proteolytic enzymes actually to diminish inflammation after surgeries so people can heal faster. So the proteolytic enzymes are really especially in an empty stomach, you are going to have the enzymes, the proteolytic enzymes in particular, digesting inflammation. So, yes, you could use that for different reasons. I do a lot of homeopathic remedies, especially the isopathic remedies and it does an incredible job. I do a lot of suppositories, you know and we do other forms of healing supporters there, the nutrition of course, the ozone, we use lasers. So there are different things to support the environment, the terrain to be favoring healing. Dr. Lina Garcia: If we are going through menopause, which is such in osteopathy we say it is a second birth. You know for some of us that are there or going or not there yet, but it is a beautiful second birth because, you know we are changing the terrain in the body. We are not now, you know available for procreation anymore. We are available to other things. So life gets even better, huh? It is [inaudible].
Nadine: Now, is it not true though, that like especially if a woman is going through menopause that is obviously a time of hormonal change. It does not have to be, but it can be a bit of an upheaval, and that can also be due to a lot of the common dental procedures that can cause or wreak havoc Nadine: That is brilliant. in our terrain, such as the bacteria around a Dr. Lina Garcia: So it is like you are having root canal or a jaw cavitation or heavy metal a garden. If you take the weeds out and if toxicity. you nourish the soil properly, you are going So perhaps a lot of the common dental to have a wonderful organic biodynamics procedures can harm our health and especially even raising the bar here again, biodynamic that can come up perhaps during menopause vegetables and fruits, the same is in the body. when other changes are happening. So More [inaudible] better your terrain is by changing the environment in the mouth, by changing the environment in the guts, you are changing the terrain and the acidity in the body and all together, healing can take place because of your expertise, could you explain more of the common dental procedures that are not so great for our health? And what choices people have?
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Dr. Lina Garcia: Yes. I wrote actually an article that is called Has the Dental Work in your Mouth Turned you into a Walking Antenna? And the reason that I actually wrote this was, being inspired by a lot of my pre-menopause, menopause women. And it is very when you are going through this menopause, even though it is a beautiful second birth, and it is a beautiful changing from procreation availability to creation availability, our bodies get more vulnerable and that is what you just mentioned there. You have all these hormonal changes and you have to be very aware of the terrain, you have to feed the body even more precisely. You have to make choices for your teeth even more precisely because if at the time of menopause you add some metal implants or root canals, the body will be more challenged. The body will be more distressed. So perhaps something that could have been okay, a procedure that could have been okay in a different time, at that time of your life the body might not be able to handle at that time. So some of those procedures that are they could affect at any age, but could definitely affect even worse menopause patients, root canals, mercury fillings, obvious fluoride, metal implants and metal crowns. And the reason that what we are calling metals here are the shiny metals because the reason in my practice that I only do the dental ceramic for either implants or crowns or onlays is because the shiny the zirconia for instance in the ceramic, the porcelain, they do contain metal oxides. For instance like the like the zirconium oxide. But the ceramic is so much more compatible, biocompatible than for instance gold or titanium alloys. Because the ceramic is prepared from metal oxides under high pressure and heat and it results in a crystalline structure in the final product of it. Which means that the atoms of the metals
are strongly bonded together and are not released by the same way as your metal alloys would do it. So my whole support is to have a practice that is pretty much metal-free. But the metal that I am talking about is the shiny metal because even all the other materials also have metal oxides, but those are totally biocompatible and acceptable because nothing will ever come out of them because of all the previous explanation that I just presented here. They are much more solid and nothing comes out except perhaps you could have some of the pigments if they use some of those coloring agents or pigments. But Nadine: And that is better than plastic? Obviously because then that is not strong enough and it leeches. Dr. Lina Garcia: Yes. Thank you for the question. I use very little plastic. Only if it is a side filling. You know sometimes when you have those little side decay, but not on the chewing surface. If it is in the chewing surface I do use porcelain, and the reason being is the same as why do you drink out of glass containers instead of plastic containers. I do not put any of my foods in plastic, I only use glass. And you have to think the same for your mouth. You do not want anything in the mouth that releases toxicity and then mimics hormones and that is what plastics do on top of what you just mentioned, which is they are weak. So they wear down before your enamel because of the weaker plastic material. And, you know the other thing also is that the metal implants, we have to be very sensitive to the fact that, you know the metal implants could be another challenge. And in this article that I wrote, you know to really be concerned because I see a lot of those women coming in and they had a metal implant.
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It goes for a man too, do not think it does You have the thyroid; you not affect men at all, it is just we are talking more about the menopause, pre-menopause know everything that literally women here and I happen to have seen enough comes out of your mouth of those people being challenged. Especially when they choose to have those procedures, drains right into the thyroid. you know root canals or implants in the time of their lives where their bodies are perhaps And it seems to me that the titanium not in the mood to neutralize toxicity of that implants could be perhaps even a bit more caliber toxicity of that extent. of a challenge there. Especially when you So the other thing in this article that I think combine with other toxic teeth that people is very interesting is the fact that nowadays already have, it is really what I call like the people tend to use a lot of the phones, a lot dirty mouth, causing sleep disturbances and anxiety and other neurological problems, of the cell phones. thyroid dysfunction, digestive problems. You Nadine: Oh, yes. know I just recently saw one with arrhythmias, with heart problems and other issues there Dr. Lina Garcia: And the cell phones could be, because of this dirty mouth. you know they are literally, they are acting like antennas for the microwave transmissions And this microwave, it is a huge concern now. going on between the cell phones, the cell I know not many people are really talking towers and what is in your mouth. about it at all but I think we have to be very sensitive and aware of what phone usage and Nadine: Wow. cell towers are actually doing to the body. Dr. Lina Garcia: So if they are acting as Nadine: I also feel like they are right near if microwave transmissions again, from the you hold it to your ear, then it is right near cell phones, the cell towers, it is ultimately the thyroid gland a very insidious stress for the human body. And it is very important to be aware that Dr. Lina Garcia: Exactly. metal dental restorations and implants, which already have shown to cause galvanic and Nadine: and that gland is key. electromagnetic stress. Which, you know Dr. Lina Garcia: Exactly. You have the thyroid; the galvanic and electromagnetic stress, it you know everything that literally comes out occurs when an unnatural electric current of your mouth drains right into the thyroid. is generated by the metal ions from those And those EMFs and this whole microwave metal implants and metal crowns interacting toxicity stress is perhaps adding to already, with the electrolyte rich fluid, which is your you know a big stress going on as far as even saliva. work and relationships. There is so much So the microwave, you know attracting this stress along with the galvanic and electromagnetic stress coming from the metal dental restorations and implants can certainly affect people at all ages. But I certainly have seen it more affecting menopause women. that one is already going through and in the case of menopause women all the changing in hormones and all of that, that it is very difficult to keep homeostasis, to keep this healthy balance in the body as balanced as it should be.
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Because it seems that when you have an implant imbed in your jawbone a few inches from the brain with the phone in your head and the cell towers all over the place. Like I said, you know there is more there to be aware of what dental choices you are making at any time of your life, but certainly there are times where perhaps your body will be less available for healing because it is doing its own healing due to the things that you are going through.
they call chemtrails. And it was incredible to see them taking over this beautiful blue sky and it made me wonder what was happening there. And it really pushes us educators like myself and yourself and people that have access to the public, to really emphasize that we perhaps do not have control over the chemtrails unfortunately. God knows who is doing it, God knows why they are doing it and if it is really happening, which I am getting to a point that I am really understanding that I think it is happening. It was very clear that day to see that.
Nadine: Yes. That is so true. So do you it seems like the thyroid there are so many thyroid issues right now and it does sound like it is directly related to all that is going on But if we do have control over what we put in our mouth, the food we choose to eat, how with peoples mouths. do we choose to deal with our stress is our Dr. Lina Garcia: Well, it is a huge part of it. But little bag of truth there that allow us to deal again, you have to take into consideration it with those things. Whatever we have control is a puzzle. You take into consideration the over, we have to practice, we have to put in mouth, the guts, the nutrition; you know how practice because otherwise, you know we one can handle stress. I mean the chemtrails are vulnerable to so much. are another stress for what I know. You know you go out to dinner and all this Nadine: Yes. genetic modified, and I do not want to sound hopeless, but perhaps the listeners that are Dr. Lina Garcia: But there are a lot of other Europe and other countries in the world they things going on that we cannot afford not might not have they have other challenges taking charge of the things that we do have that perhaps we do not. But certainly they control. do not have the challenge that we do here as far as all the genetic modified foods and Nadine: True. preservatives and how unacceptable it is, our Dr. Lina Garcia: We do not have control of foods in this country. the chemtrails. Literally I am trying to really do a lot of research and it is hard to finding You have to go out of your way to get organic anything. I was just at a church in Caicos in my foods. You have to go out of your way to preferred island, it is called Provo. And I was actually be okay to have a garden in your house laying on this beautiful beach and I looked up or to have raw milk. Because unfortunately and I saw all those two I see planes passing there will be I do not know what you call by all the time. You are right in the middle of them, you know the pharmaceutical, the the ocean. It is a little tiny, tiny little island and food industry, the government. I do not know that is why I go there often. It is my paradise. who they are, to tell you the truth, and if I do, I will share that. All those people, they are And you see planes passing by and it is fine, not cooperating for peoples health and our but it happens the last time, a couple planes childrens health. passed by and they left behind all this, what I am understanding more and more to be what And you have the fluoride issue and you have all those issues that it is hard in this country
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and again, it is not only here, but certainly here when I go to Europe the food is so much easier to eat because it is so much fresh, it is so much better. It is so fresh and here you have all those processed everything. And so the culture is still very acceptable to all the conventional self-destruction imposed by pharmaceuticals and food industries and et cetera. So we have some of us that are more aware, have to strive to have a healthy mouth and a healthy guts and to do whatever we have control. Because there are certainly a lot of things that we do not have control. Even when our children that we raised with so much care get to be in high school or schools, it is hard to drop them there because you know the environment in the schools, with very few exceptions, would support good eating.
conventional mindset come in and going like, but Dr. Garcia, you know as you know zirconiums in the periodical table as a metal. Yes, so that is why I have all this research. That is why my book has all deeply explaining the details. So either you are in the conventional mindset or in an alternative mindset concerned with some of the porcelain or whatever, you will have all your answers there, which I gave a little portion a little bit of an explanation just earlier today. So your listeners, wherever they are in the world, they can understand what we are talking about metal-free.
The porcelain and the zirconia, they are obviously way more biocompatible and as far as I am concerned at this time of the game it is the only choices. I will really not do any metal alloys as far as gold or that is where Nadine: Yes. That is true. I am perhaps not in the same boat as a lot of your other listeners, including Dr. Huggins Dr. Lina Garcia: They take pizza as a vegetable. and all the other, you know biological and holistic dentists. Nadine: Yes. Dr. Lina Garcia: That tells how troublesome is this mindset. So, yes, I think the mouth and the factors that are instigating even more disease and cancers and everything, again and again has to come back to the mouth. Is that the only source of insidious toxicity to the rest of the body? No, but it is one huge one. Nadine: A huge one. Yes. Dr. Lina Garcia: [Inaudible] and the mercury and, you know the fluoride, the metals, you know the shiny metals. Because even if you go 100% metal free like I explained a little earlier, you are still dealing with metals. All those porcelain and zirconia, they are all in the periodical table. I get challenged with that very much.
Because even if you go 100% metal free like I explained a little earlier, you are still dealing with metals.
Because nowadays it seems it is easy to it is a cool thing to be called holistic. There is [inaudible] that goes into that being called holistic. And I think it has to do I just heard an interview from a dentist. I am very interested in everybodys perceptions and perspectives because I think it helps me to understand their reasonings, even if I disagree with that. But I do want to listen, and I do want to see where they are coming from.
I have to know my words very clearly because And I heard someone saying that, you know then you are going to have some genius he is a holistic dentist, blah blah blah, but
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he still has two root canals in his mouth. So that makes me question if he keeps that in his mouth, obviously I am sure he will keep all the root canals in his patients and do root canals for them too. Because he is not yet getting the toxicity that teeth could cause to the rest of the body. So in my case, in my practice, I do support metal-free, the shiny metal-frees, which means the metal oxides, but not the metal alloys.
what do you suggest they look for and ask prospective dentists?
Dr. Lina Garcia: It is a great question. I do not have all the answers for you because I am in the search myself. I do have a very critical time because you can find those people that are mechanically good dentists, but have no principles whatsoever as far as biocompatibility. And even the Novocain that they use, so it becomes very tedious for me Nadine: That is really good to clarify. as a patient to determine and dictate all the little steps that they take. But they do sneak Dr. Lina Garcia: Yes. Because people do have a couple of them in there that I do not see. questions about porcelain and questions And [inaudible] about all of that and again, into the periodical table. So the book will be very precise in the Nadine: Oh, my God. It must be funny for you detailed explanations of all of that. to be a patient. Nadine: Great. And when will it be available, Dr. Lina Garcia: Very, very oh, it is bad. You do you think? Your book? would not want to be the best dentist in the whole world to be my dentist. The most Dr. Lina Garcia: When my perfectionist editor challenging proposal ever anybody could be decides that enough is enough of editing. faced with. The other thing is, people, you And we are in a couple of years here, but know those holistic people, they claim to be hopefully by the end of 2012. holistic and I see them come into my office, they are patients all the time. I mean they Nadine: Cool. That is great. ended up giving them tons of antibiotics and Dr. Lina Garcia: I giving them IV sedation and stuff. That it is not truly holistic. Nadine: I have been to a oh, sorry. Go on. You know if you are a really holistic dentist, I think you have to understand and have the Nadine: I was going to say I have been going passion, and perhaps I am describing myself to holistic dentists really for about 18 years. here. And I do not mean that it is impossible But I have still yet to find one in our area that for anybody else to be like that at all. But I I am really thrilled about. One would still do think growing up in Brazil, perhaps gave me root canals and then at one office I did not a different mindset that I can carry on here know what was going on that was alternative, without fear. And unfortunately, dentists except that you got carrot juice and tube of that are educated in this country alone and Crest toothpaste when you exited. perhaps there is a fear factor there that it is very hard even to overcome. Dr. Lina Garcia: Yes. So if someone had surgeries or if they are Nadine: So, it is true that people are using having an abscess, it is very hard for those the word holistic and it may not be deep people not to prescribe antibiotics. And I enough. If people are unable to get to your find it to be a challenge to truth to holistic dental practice in South Barrington, Illinois, dentists. If I tell you that in the last, you know Dr. Lina Garcia: Yes.
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probably 30 years, 35 years, I prescribed a couple times. And it goes back to patients that are very, very, very fearful, that have had a serious habit with antibiotics and they do not ever believe that they overcome without it.
in your practice with your patients so they do change and they do understand and experience healing more. But it is not perhaps so practical. That is why it is hard to find a truly holistic physician or a dentist. And it is times when patients go through challenges, an abscess or a pain, they also become very Nadine: Yes. resistant and fearful not to take that antibiotic Dr. Lina Garcia: And so it is almost like or not to take that drug. again and again, it is a fear mood it is a fear Nadine: Yes. factor. And then even the biocompatibility tests, which are very it is very helpful, but Dr. Lina Garcia: So you do have to truly, as it is still the biocompatibility test and some a physician to hold your ground in order to of the other acupuncture tests, they still [inaudible] your patient. would support some of those metal alloys, which I do not. So it could be that it is okay at Nadine: What are some of your protocols for that moment when the test was done or the an abscessed tooth, and does it necessarily blood was drawn. But it does not mean that have to be extracted? Because of course a normal doctor would maybe recommend a supports your long-term health. root canal or a normal dentist. Nadine: Right. Dr. Lina Garcia: Right. Dr. Lina Garcia: So in my practice again, I do not do any metals even if the biocompatibility Nadine: But what would be some of your protocols, and in the end does it have to be or the EVA test says it is okay at that time. extracted? But going back to your question, you have to make sure that regardless of what the holistic Dr. Lina Garcia: Well, you do have in my or not holistic dentist advise you to have, practice we obviously nutrition is a huge you have to be critical in your judgment. part of it. When you are going through an You have to instinctively, even if you do not acute infection you have to change your diet. know anything at all you have to, you know Nadine: Yes. Mercola has good resource in his website. I do have good resource in my website as far Dr. Lina Garcia: Otherwise you might as well as articles that I have written and videos and go on antibiotics and pain medication. So if other things so one can educate themselves you are going to sit down and have sugars while you are having a very infested area before they make their choices. with microbes that have mutated from nonAnd again, it is not an easy it is not easy pathogenic forms to pathogenic forms, to to find that I find it personally not to be change that terrain to acidity that is pretty Nadine, I think it comes from the soul. intense, you have to again change the guts When you do holistic medicine, dentistry or and eat foods that are going to support medicine, you have to know that in your guts. healing. Not foods that are going to support You have to know that in your instincts. those bugs to change the terrain, even more acid and even to a bigger abscess. Nadine: Yes. Dr. Lina Garcia: You have to really feel that It could move from the tooth into different healing and then create that. Manifest that areas of the body. So nutrition is a huge
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thing. I do again use some very intense isopathic remedies, homeopathic but it is even stronger, the ones that I use are suppositories. I do advise the patients also to have osteopathic treatments. We work with an osteopath in our practice and we do osteopathy and osteopathy is another big support.
have control over all the other things. And we are joking here but it could be that the chemtrails are very serious issues. Nadine: Yes.
Dr. Lina Garcia: And, you know other issues like stress and relationships and work environments, and we were talking about And as far as the tooth is concerned we can the microwave transmissions here from cell inject remedies isopathic remedies into the phones to cell towers to your mouth, to your site to help to change the terrain locally. But brain, to your thyroid. And so there is a lot at the end of the day that tooth is dead. The of exposures there that I do not know if it is nerve of the tooth is dead. Understand that worth to keep a root canal in the mouth. your tooth is like an organ, like anything else But as a dentist my patients have to have all it has blood supply, lymphatics; it has all the their choices and they have to follow their same dynamics as an alive heart or liver or own need at the time and their own guts kidney or whatever. to utilize that, that they can at that time. It If the blood supply is ceased to a tooth, could be that someone is going through a therefore the tooth dies. Now you are having huge distress and perhaps it is not an ideal an organ like any other organ, perhaps a little time to extract the tooth. But I think if you smaller, you know a tooth is smaller than your are looking more at long-term healing and long-term health, removing the tooth would kidney. be a more permanent solution as opposed to Nadine: Yes. either root canal or something else. Dr. Lina Garcia: It is a little smaller than other organs, but nevertheless it is an organ and if it is dead it is going to cause all the activities that a dead organ would cause to your body. So what you have now, you have necrotic activity. You have bugs that again have mutated into a strong pathogenic form that now they are pretty much in control of that area Nadine: Right. Dr. Lina Garcia: until the tooth is removed. If the tooth stays there or if a root canal is performed, it is not going to change the fact that the tooth is dead. You might choose to leave it in there for the time being, but you have to really follow up with some very serious remedies there. Some very serious homeopathic, isopathic remedies. You have to be very, very, very serious with your nutrition. But again, those are the things that we have some control over. But you do not Nadine: And of course that is a proper extraction, not just Dr. Lina Garcia: Exactly. So in our practice extraction does not mean just extraction. Extraction means cavitation. So you cavitate that we have one special instrument that that is all that it does. It cavitates the area. So you cavitate the area and you allow that drain out, that environment to grow healthy bone. Nadine: Yes. Dr. Lina Garcia: So the periodontal ligament, nothing is going to be in the way of that proper healing to avoid cavitations or whatever in the future. So this is all part of you know and of course use ozone in our practice, we use lasers, everything to sterilize and to create an easier environment for the body to do what it needs to do.
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Now if you have a patient that has diabetes or autoimmune problems or cancers, their healing ability is not so favorable and therefore they need even more help. You know they will need a longer period of isopathic remedies and suppositories plus everything else that we have done at that time to create that better environment for their body to heal.
Peri disease, I mean we have to be I have a microscope in my office. I take a sample of everybodys plaque and I put it in the microscope and it is the most amazing thing to see spirochetes and the amebas and the Trepenoma, like a little mouse. It is disgusting. But it is a beautiful educational tool for people to understand why they have to clean their teeth. Why do they have to floss their teeth? But again, if their immune system is not up Why do they have to gauze, do oil pulling and to speed, then we have to keep supporting it do some of those things to keep the gums until their guts and supporting with nutrition again a terrain, an environment that does not and isopathic remedies and other things, you allow those pathogenic and bad bugs. know osteopathic treatments. And we even have a nutritionist to really support again We have bugs, do not take me wrong. Bugs and again the terrain in the body. The terrain are a beautiful thing. There is a symbiosis is the environment. It is your guts, it is your between us and them. We have to live in mouth, it is your lymph. All the things that harmony, we have to live together, we need are your liver, all the things that need to be them; they need us. The problem is when they cleaned out. Even coffee enemas. You know become if the terrain, if the environment I have a whole protocol to guide people with inside the body, is not conducive to health. that because Those nice bugs at first, now they turn into pathogenic bugs, they mutate. Therefore we Nadine: Awesome. need to create an environment that they come Dr. Lina Garcia: by cleansing the liver and back to a healthy form. That is the whole idea cleansing the system, you are allowing more of of terrain. That is why I keep repeating that that detox and allowing more of your bodys word very often here. capability of doing its job. The body needs Nadine: I love it. to be allowed to do its job. That is why by removing the toxic dead tooth you will create Dr. Lina Garcia: Because it does not matter if a better environment for the body to do what you kill them. Because if this the idea of using it needs to do instead of all those interferences antibiotics, if this the idea of using drugs to with mercury, metal crowns, you know titanium fight and bombard the bad ones, if you do implants. You know what we just talked about not change the terrain, then you are going the metal alloy crowns that sometimes have a to have yeast and mold growing more and very thin porcelain on top of it, but nevertheless more and more. it is all the metal underneath it. Because when you do kill some of those bugs, you are allowing at the end of the We have bugs, do not take me day those bugs are not even being killed. They are going between the membranes of wrong. Bugs are a beautiful your cells and they hide there. And when thing. There is a symbiosis the antibiotics or whatever drugs are out, they come back again. That is how sneaky between us and them. and smart they are. We have to be smarter than them.
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And unfortunately I think I want to think that we are, but unfortunately the pharmaceutical companies and the food industries, they are in the business of disease, not health. Because the business of health does not pay the big pharmaceuticals and do not pay the chemo and radiation. Health if the population is health, it is not so profitable. So the business of the pharmaceutical and the big industries and all is in the business of supporting disease. Here we are in the business of supporting health. That is why nobody learns. Why would you think that nobody learns nutrition in school? That was one of your first questions, Nadine. Have just the slight suspicious that and I can give you some very concrete facts about this. But when even the medical schools in this country were created, actually they were all supported and they had in their boards big pharmaceutical, the Rothschilds and all those people. And they started from the very beginning to be set up and dictated by the big pharmaceuticals, so why bother learning nutrition in school. Nutrition is in the business of health, pharmaceutical is in the business of disease. So the medical schools and the dental schools are in the businesses of supporting surgeries, supporting drugs. And that is the expectation that by 50 years old you are going to have half a dozen drugs next to your bed, carry in your purse and next to your toilet because people are really degrading. And then we say okay, people are living longer nowadays. Yes, if they take by the time that they die perhaps ten, 15 drugs. Nadine: Yes. And they have no teeth left.
Dr. Lina Garcia: All those procedures in their mouth that perhaps are making they might last long, but their quality of life is really, really bad. But unfortunately I do not even see that, Nadine. I do not see that they are even living longer. I mean if I take a closer look of all the patients and people and stories that I hear, I think the level of cancers, the level of autoimmune disease and misery is pretty intense. And I do not quite agree that people are actually living longer. I think we have to really give a closer look to those statistics to really see if it is the case. And if they do, they are not mentally clearly, they are not functioning as far as their elimination properly at all. I mean they cannot go to the bathroom by themselves. And that is a serious problem in nursing homes and elderly. Nadine: Yes. Dr. Lina Garcia: A very serious problem. So, again and again, we have to go back to the things that we have control. Nadine: Yes. Dr. Lina Garcia: And we have control again and again is to clean your mouth, to make choices to what you put in the mouth and to obviously to have a clean guts. Nadine: Yes. The mouth is totally totally connected to the guts even, you know bad breath is coming deep from within the belly. My last question to you, and it is kind of about future generations, the children right now on the planet. If you could have the tooth fairy put a message for children under their pillows, what would it be?
Dr. Lina Garcia: Well, that would be great. Dr. Lina Garcia: Health. And I do not know if But worse than that that they now, they can I am answering your question. I think what children should wish the most is that they afford having all those metal implants. are healthy and [inaudible] clearly, and their Nadine: Right. brains are developed properly. And they have freedom of choices, they have freedom
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just because their brains, their minds, their souls are clear instead of so much of what we are seeing, you know of fertilization birth and altered eggs that are sitting on refrigerators for three, four years before they are actually put in someones belly for gestation.
Nadine: Yes.
Dr. Lina Garcia: So I do not know how we can accomplish all of this. And I try to really keep our positive mind up to speed, but I think we need lots of learning together. And since this is I think featured more for women, And there is so much things that are happening which takes my breath. The women are just that are not following nature principles. You so special. I have a son and men are very know nature meant things in a healthier way special too. I just think that women have this and we are interfering by adding fluoride. It birth intelligence and birthright to mother is one of the only eight countries in the entire the world. And I think we do need a lot to developed world that has more than 50% of mother in this world. its water fluoridated. And I mean the children So together I hope in each one of our are the ones that are suffering the most. specialties and each one of our expertise that, Even Harvard University has recently agreed you know we can come together and create and supported that high fluoride areas had all the possibilities to make this a better world significantly lower IQ, you know in their for our children and perhaps we will have a children. And the fluoride has a clear adverse better aging time for ourselves. Again, I am affect on the neuro development of children. not talking aging at 50, I am talking aging at And it is a mass medication forced on 100. population with no control of dosing. And we are one of the very few countries in the world Nadine: Yes. that allows something like that to happen. So Dr. Lina Garcia: So [inaudible] working for it is very sad. a long, long time. So did that answer your I wish that our children, which are going to sweet question about the tooth fairy? be the future governments and the future physicians and doctors and dentists and politicians could be healthier so maybe we can age better. Maybe we have a better world when we are aging, which absolutely, I think aging is my grandfather that turned 105, that actually died at 105, and so when people tell me they are getting old at 50, I get very personal about that. Nadine: Absolute it did. It did so much. And I really appreciate your passion and your work in the world. And that I know you are very busy actually doing the work and the dentistry and the surgery, so I am very, very thankful that you are also able to talk and to share your time with us today.
Dr. Lina Garcia: It has been a pleasure and I hope that lots of women can hear us talking. I think that is actually when you are having And I hope we can again, together make your second birth for us women, and men also the message available and help the world. without so much identifying that change. But Perhaps who knows, we can. Right? Who they are also going through those things. So says we [inaudible]. I think we can. I wish for the children, I wish that the tooth fairy would just bring healing and health to Nadine: Yes. I think we can. them and their families. To be able to eat Dr. Lina Garcia: [Inaudible] doing a great job. better and avoid phones in their heads from such an early age. And avoid fluoride in their Nadine: Yes. water so they can enjoy life better.
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Dr. Lina Garcia: Well, thank you so much. I appreciate your interest and calling for the interest in this interview. And I hope I really do that our awareness and consciousness can come together to make our bodies a healthier body so we can house our soul in a better way. Because that is what we are here for. We are spiritual beings having this physical experience in our mouth and our guts and our bodies. It should be a good housing for our spirit. And together we can have lots of beautiful homes and souls together to act and help. At the end of the day that is what we are all here for, to help.
It does not matter what you do, as a dentist, as a physician, as an interviewer, as a writer, all of it as a politician. Who knows, we might have some hope with them too. So anyway, thanks so much. Nadine: Thank you. Dr. Lina Garcia: And if I can be of anymore help, do not hesitate to ask. I will be honored to do it. Nadine: Thank you so much. Have a great day. Dr. Lina Garcia: You too, Nadine. Have a great day. Bye-bye.
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Dr. Stuart Nunnally

Dr. Nunnallys philosophy of biological dentistry recognizes that the teeth and the entire mouth are an integral part of the whole body.
Falls, Texas. His dental practice, Nunnally, Freeman and Owens, uses the latest Nadine: Todays guest advances in dental technology, including stopped filling cavities with digital x-rays, conscious sedation and metalmercury over 20 years ago. free restorations to ensure state of the art Since then he has been care. His practices primary goal is to make removing mercury from the clients feel more comfortable in the dentist mouths of many. This lead dentist Stuart chair than ever thought possible. Nunnally to experience severe symptoms Dr. Nunnallys philosophy of biological of mercury toxicity that manifested as dentistry recognizes that the teeth and the symptoms of ALS, also known as Lou Gehrigs entire mouth are an integral part of the disease. Dr. Stuart Nunnally became confined whole body. And his mission is to treat his to a wheelchair and was about to give up his patients in the most healthy, caring, holistic practice. Luckily he had the insight to call Dr. way possible and to share information about Hal Huggins and underwent Huggins dental dental wellness with his patients so that they protocol. may make educated decisions about their oral
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and realizes that one cannot be truly healthy And so he changed my paradigm. I learned without great oral health. from him. At that time I learned about the toxicity associated not only with mercury, I encourage you to visit his website, which is but with other dental materials that we have healthysmilesforlife.com to learn more about used over the years. I learned that many of the his practice and why people fly in from all materials that we use are not biocompatible. over the world to have their dental work They definitely challenge our immune system. done there. And I learned about the toxicity associated So, welcome and thank you so much for with root canal teeth. sharing your time to educate us. And I also learned about the interesting little Dr. Stuart Nunnally: Well, thank you. It is a privilege for me. Nadine: Thank you so much. I would love to start with your triumphant if you can share the triumphant journey you had with mercury toxicity and then what changes you made to your already holistic dental practice. And also what lifestyle changes you made personally. Dr. Stuart Nunnally: Well, you know ten years ago I for sure thought I had Lou Gehrigs disease and my neurologist was not sure. But when I got that referral to the ALS Center in Houston a friend of mine said why do you not call Hal Huggins. And Hal had been seeing people in Colorado Springs for many, many years with all sorts of autoimmune diseases, but he lost his license in 1996. And so at that time he was seeing patients in Puerto Vallarta and also in a clinic in Montreal. So I called him and said would you mind seeing me, it looks like I have ALS. Now, I did not have ALS, I had the symptoms of it. But it looked so similar to it that my neurologist was not sure. And so at any rate, while I was waiting to get checked into the ALS Center in Houston I flew to Montreal to see Dr. Huggins. Well it was sort of a lifechanging experience for me because even though I had considered myself holistic for 20 years at that time, mainly because I did not put mercury fillings in, I really did not know what all truly being a holistic dentist meant. cesspools of bacteria that can occur in the jawbone. We call them for the most part we call them cavitations, and they are little areas where when a tooth is removed the bacteria can then either get into that area or stay from an infected tooth. And the gum tissue grows over it and the bone grows over it, but you are left with this little wonderful breeding ground for bacteria. And so those sorts of things were new to me ten years ago. I was struggling at that time to even walk up a short flight of stairs or lift my left leg up onto a curb. But after I saw Dr. Huggins and he took me through the body chemistry analysis that he has done for many, many years and after we changed out my dentistry, I began to do much better. And I was trying to be a competitive triathlete back in those days and I was very lean and what I thought very fit up until the point where I began to have the neuromuscular issues that we thought was ALS. But it took about three and a half years before I could jog again, but over the last six and a half years since that time when I had really began to recover, I have probably done 20 triathlons and I am back. So I am very, very thankful. Nadine: That is great. And so you would remove mercury fillings, but maybe now you are doing more things to make sure that the mercury does not go into your office. Dr. Stuart Nunnally: Correct.
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Nadine: And, you know and to your staff. Dr. Stuart Nunnally: Yes. I have removed those fillings vigorously over the years because physicians would refer their patients to me to do that. But when I did it, I took no precaution myself in terms of exposure to myself or my staff. And so and of course that was another thing that I learned not only from Dr. Huggins but other fine holistic dentists around the world the necessity of not only protecting the patient, but you must absolutely protect yourself.
The fact is that there is very good data to show that mercury levels in dentists are far above those of the general population.
I chose to go a very, very slow and easy way. I chose to use saunas and just literally sweat the mercury out. Interestingly enough often times when people have heavy metal toxicity, many times they lose the ability to sweat. And I did. I was not able to perspire, so I bought an infrared sauna and I began to kind of retrain my body to sweat. It took a long time before I could finally break a sweat, but actually that was a real breakthrough for me in my recovery.
You know we as dentists have a very, very poor track record neurologically and many excuses have been given for that over the years. The fact is that there is very good data to show that mercury levels in dentists are far above those of the general population. And the fact that we have such a poor neurological record in terms of depression Nadine: Wow. and suicide, divorce all of those things in my opinion are a reflection of the exposure Dr. Stuart Nunnally: And because it is such a gentle way to detox you avoid the liver and to mercury we get. the kidneys, which are the two main detox Nadine: Wow. And what protocols did you do organs. And so if you can sweat it out you to, you know do the heavy metal chelation can do a nice gentle detox without taxing the and get the mercury out of your body? rest of your system. Dr. Stuart Nunnally: Well, there are all kinds of ways to approach that and, you know everyone is different. Some people are able to detoxify well and some people do not have either the genetics or oh, there are so many reasons why someone might detoxify well and someone may not. But we know at least now that since the whole human genome has been mapped, we know that some people genetically are predisposed to accumulation of heavy metals and have a very difficult time detoxifying those. So for that subset of the population there are physicians around the world who will chelate them. Nadine: Yes. It is a good let the skin do it instead of the liver and kidneys. Dr. Stuart Nunnally: Yes, absolutely. And of course I bumped up my levels of vitamin C, I did intravenous vitamin C once a month for several years. And when you take high levels of vitamin C, not only is a great detoxifier, but it helps raise your levels of a wonderful little compound that is in every cell called glutathione. And when you elevate your levels of glutathione, glutathione then can very naturally chelate the mercury out. Glutathione has a real tenacity for mercury and once it grabs on it has a very good chance of carrying it on out of the system.
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Nadine: Oh, that is excellent. And you already thought you were holistic because I know a lot of people think well, mercury-free dentistry is holistic. But obviously you learned a lot of things in the past ten years. Can you explain sort of the difference between like holistic dentistry, biological dentistry and revisionist dentistry? Dr. Stuart Nunnally: You know I think for the most part people use those terms synonymously, but we all take these we all take our field of expertise to different levels. And after having been exposed to the influence of Dr. Huggins, you know who has been maligned among dentists for years for being sort of an all or none type person, you know? But having been influenced by him and having been treated by a dentist under his auspices there in Montreal, I really could not go back to just being one who removed mercury fillings.
when you test their serum. So all of that quite frankly was new to me. But being a little bit of one of those all or none guys too, I felt like I just simply could not go half way without informing patients. You know not everyone has to do a full protocol because some people some people just simply only want to do a certain phase of dentistry. Nadine: Right. Dr. Stuart Nunnally: But the patients who are referred to my office, typically most of them are sick, most of them have been most of them have been referred by physicians who are well away of the toxicities associated with dentistry. And so most of those patients come expecting to have all of those issues addressed. So that is the realm of dentistry in which I practice now.
Nadine: Yes, that is excellent. And jaw cavitations, I know it is a fascinating thing And I spent time with a fabulous biochemist especially when I think about all of the in Kentucky who was doing research on root wisdom teeth that have just, you know been canals and I learned about that toxicity. So I removed. It is huge. But can you tell us a went from doing 150 root canals a year to zero bit more about that? And also that if many overnight. And I learned about the cavitation people just ask their regular dentist, they issue. I could not believe that we could would not even know necessarily what they literally live with these sorts of infections in are talking about. our jawbones because the toxicity was so Dr. Stuart Nunnally: Well, that is right. extreme and potent. And yet it is a testimony to our incredible bodies, the way we can Nadine: Yes. handle these toxicities. Dr. Stuart Nunnally: Because I did not know it. Now some people do not handle them well and I was one of them. I reached the tipping point. I did not handle them well. And when I had all of those issues dealt with, my health began to turn around. So I would say in answer to your question, you know those things that really besides just the mercury filling issue, but the root canal issue, the cavitation issue, the fact that many other restorations, composite restorations, many of those people test highly reactive to You know it is an interesting story. Probably 15 years ago I was at a conference in Arizona. It was a brain longevity conference. I have this long family history of cognitive issues and my mother was diagnosed with Alzheimers at 58, so I am always trying to do those things to protect my cognitive skills. And so I was at this clinic or at a symposium and I was sitting next to this brilliant lady physician and she said to me, do you do cavitations? And I, at that point, 15 years ago said oh, yes, of course I do. And she said you do? And I said
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certainly I do. Well, I honestly thought she meant cavities.
immune system can weaken us to the point where we kind of reach a tipping point. And then we truly have a disease that just, I think Nadine: Right. is very difficult to clear up unless you get rid Dr. Stuart Nunnally: And so she went on to of the cavitations unless you get rid of that tell me, she said oh, you know we see these challenge to the immune system. patients from all over the world. She had a Nadine: Has there been any improvement in very well known alternative medical clinic. discovering if somebody has one? Because And she said so often we cannot determine you cannot see it through an x-ray, is that the cause of our patients illness and we will correct? send them to have their cavitations cleaned out and she said I cannot tell you how often Dr. Stuart Nunnally: Well, you can see a lot of the patients get well. them, especially with the new Well, I knew of course at that time, you know we were not talking about the same thing. And so I began to look into this issue of cavitations and then when I called Dr. Huggins over ten years ago and said listen, I am a dentist from Texas, it looks like I have ALS, would you mind seeing me. The very first words out of his mouth were did you ever have wisdom teeth removed? And I said yes, 30 years ago. He said well, if you have cavitations you are not going to get well. So I said well I honestly do not know whether I have them, but I am certainly willing to have them investigated. So that really launched, obviously, my it really launched my study into these lesions. And you are right, most dentists do not know about cavitations because they are not typically taught in our dental training. In spite of the fact that the most widely read oral pathology book in the world talks about how to treat these. But at any rate it seems to be sort of passed by in our dental training. And in my opinion it should not be because we now know, not only from toxicity studies but from DNA studies that these areas in the jawbone have an incredible array of anaerobic bacteria in them that produce very potent toxins. And once again our body is amazingly adept at handling them. But sometimes not only those, but other challenges to our Nadine: Oh, okay. Dr. Stuart Nunnally: the new panoramic x-rays that we have do help us to see them. But there is a particular type of CAT scan now for the jaw; it is called a cone-beam scan. This is very, very helpful for seeing them. In my opinion the best way to detect them is to make a little a small incision over the area where you suspect it. In other words, typically that is over the area where a tooth has been removed. And we have small little rotary instruments that can go into there and if there is a cavitation, the dentist will just literally fall into that spot. And then we can lift the roof off of those and clean them well. And then the nice thing about it is, it is usually not a surgery that is painful because that area is basically a hole devoid of nerves and an area that once it is cleaned out is just rarely painful. So usually it is not a complicated surgery and not a painful one. Nadine: Oh, that is good. And then some of the issues that are going on with the cavitations and the anaerobic bacteria, can you explain how that is also an issue with root canals and why you stopped doing root canals?
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Dr. Stuart Nunnally: Well, it is an issue with root canals because when a tooth has the major canals in it cleaned out, as we all do as dentists or as an endodontist would do, what we cannot get to in that tooth are the several miles worth of little microscopic tubules that go through the tooth. So those little microscopic tubules are an absolute freeway for bacteria. The bacteria then stay there once the tooth now you have to remember once a root canal is done on a tooth, the tooth no longer has a blood supply coming to it.
In other words some people seem to tolerate you know seem to tolerate these very well. And I have 90-year-old patients who have root canal teeth and they seem to be doing well. On the other hand there are certainly those patients there are subsets of the population who do not handle them well. And I think that is the group of people that physicians refer to us most. These are people who have had a root canal or two and all of a sudden they begin to have some real challenges to their health.
And so now that we know that the bacteria So now if you have this nice little dead tooth what bacteria are associated with them sitting in a warm environment in the jawbone, oftentimes, we know the levels of toxicity, the and it is still populated with bacteria and there patients and physicians who send them here are is no way for our immune system to deliver really motivated for us to remove those teeth. its natural defenses to the tooth because there is no blood supply for the tooth. You Nadine: So when you are removing one, have the perfect storm for a and a perfect do you always send that to the lab? Or just breeding ground for bacteria for anaerobic sometimes? bacteria. These are bacteria that like to live in Dr. Stuart Nunnally: Yes, we send them very the absence of oxygen. And these are always often. If we are removing multiple teeth, the most potent of the bacteria. sometimes the patients will prefer not to So when we first doing the DNA analysis on send all of them because of the laboratory this we could hardly believe the numbers of costs associated with that. bacteria and the different species of bacteria that were in the root canals. Because we did not have that data. And to tell you the truth, on the first samples we ran many of the bacteria we had never seen before. Nadine: Wow. Dr. Stuart Nunnally: So we now have run, you know several hundred samples and we are getting very familiar now with this amazing array of bacteria that are in there. And in my opinion it really truly warrants removing the root canal teeth. Now, the thing about this that makes it difficult for all of us, dentists and patients as well, is that many times root canal teeth are just totally asymptomatic. Patients do not even know they are there, they chew well on them, they feel comfortable, maybe they even have robust health. Nadine: Right. Dr. Stuart Nunnally: But we certainly have patients and physicians who would like to see each one just to determine what bacteria were there. Nadine: Yes. Dr. Stuart Nunnally: And of course once we remove them we feel like we have removed the source of the infection. And of course we not only remove the tooth, but we really clean that area out thoroughly to try to remove any residual bacteria that are also associated in the bone around that tooth. It is interesting, before I started removing not only the tooth, but the ligament that supports the tooth and the surrounding infected bone, oftentimes these areas would take a long time to heal.
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But once we changed that protocol and began to really clean that out that area out vigorously, it is amazing how much more quickly these root canal extraction sites heal. Nadine: Oh, that is great. And you must have seen some great like, you know you have your own life story, which is great. From being in a wheelchair to running and what have been some like great transformations that you have seen where somebody has come to your office with like x, y and z, and now, you know they are better?
To be able to run again and bicycle and do all of those things again is just a tremendous blessing.
And within about three weeks of doing the second root canal my hygienist told me, she said you know my hands are beginning to ache and my other joints are as well. And she said in fact, it is a little difficult for me to even practice hygiene. And I said well, let us just Dr. Stuart Nunnally: Well and let me just stop. see how you continue to do. And so she went When I was most challenged and having the to see her physician because it got worse and most neuromuscular issues, there were days worse. And then she went to see her she when I thought I would be in a wheelchair, went to see another physician and another but I never was. physician and finally she was referred to a rheumatologist. Nadine: Oh. And as it turns out she called me six months Dr. Stuart Nunnally: And, you know word later and said I could not get out of bed does get around that I was. I was not. But today. My husband had to pick me up and compared to then, you know it is night and carry me to a minor emergency center. Well, day. by this time she was full-blown rheumatoid, slash, lupus, and seeing her rheumatologist Nadine: Yes. she had the blood work to indicate that Dr. Stuart Nunnally: To be able to run again she was in full-blown autoimmune disease. and bicycle and do all of those things again And so she and I began to talk. I was really is just a tremendous blessing. But of course becoming more and more entrenched in the we have seen many, many you know one research at this time regarding root canals. of the remarkable changes that occurred And I told her, I said you know what? I think for a patient early on when we began to do it is those teeth. And she said, you know I bet this was one of my hygienists was sitting at it is too. her daughters softball game and a foul ball came over the fence and hit her right in the And we consulted with her physician and we removed those teeth. Well, thankfully mouth. Right in her front teeth. within three weeks, 90 probably 95% of her And this was a perfectly healthy, 30-year- symptoms were gone. Her blood work was old woman. And so this was back in the days back to normal and she has enjoyed a normal when I actually still did root canals and so I life for the last ten years. She interestingly did a root canal on her front tooth because enough, there is no question that those teeth it died from the blow from the ball. Well, put her into an autoimmune state and still she did well and a year later the tooth next even today if she way overdoes it or if she to the root canal tooth also died from that does not watch her diet, maybe has too much same baseball blow. And so I did the root sugar or caffeine or things like that, she can canal on that. begin to feel a few of those symptoms again.
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But for the most part she has enjoyed robust Nadine: True. And I imagine though you also health for the last ten years. probably remove a lot of titanium implants. Nadine: Wow. That is amazing to witness all Dr. Stuart Nunnally: Well, we do. We do. those changes. Nadine: Yes. Dr. Stuart Nunnally: Well, it is. It is. Of course we see that all the time, but that is such a Dr. Stuart Nunnally: When those patients are dramatic one and such a close one because referred here by their health care provider I can tell you removing those two front teeth and the health care provider and the patient on this precious 30-year-old lady was like are all able to confirm that their health has declined and they want to have anything taking two front teeth out of my daughter. that might have a toxicity or challenge Nadine: Yes. their immune system removed, then we will certainly remove them. Dr. Stuart Nunnally: But at any rate she has done beautifully and she has two beautiful Nadine: Yes. And then what are you generally front teeth in there that no one would know doing for that gap in the mouth? Do you were not hers. And so I love to tell that story. you know I know it is going to be different for everybody, but what are the options in Nadine: Yes. That is very special. And if I may your office? ask, what did she do for her teeth? Like a bridge, or ? Dr. Stuart Nunnally: You know it will and you are right, it will be different. You know Dr. Stuart Nunnally: You know in her case we the ideal thing would be placing a bridge were able to do a bonded bridge where we in there that does not have to be removed. bond to the teeth on either side. The unfortunate part about that is if that is done it sometimes requires removing a lot of Nadine: Oh, okay. good tooth structure on the teeth on either Dr. Stuart Nunnally: And sometimes we can side of the space. And so we have to balance do those very you know in a way that that and we have to be very careful in my we hardly well we have to do very little opinion of of, you know of grinding down treatment to the teeth on either side. At healthy teeth in order to replace a missing this point in my life as a holistic dentist, I tooth. So often times we will recommend a am not in our particular practice, I am not little removable bridge. encouraging implants. Because an implant does not have the patients DNA on it. I see What we are hopeful of is that within the next many patients who are referred here because few years, we are very hopeful that we will many of them have implants, some of them be able to take a stem cell from the patient have had a demise in their health afterwards and literally regrow the tooth right back in sometimes. And there certainly is a body of that socket. literature that talks about the toxicity even of Nadine: That would be great. the implant materials. Dr. Stuart Nunnally: Yes. And that research is So I think patients, especially who are going on around the world right now. immunologically challenged or suppressed have to be very careful and really consult Nadine: Yes. That would be awesome. That with their physician about whether or not would be the best option ever. implants would be an option for them.
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Dr. Stuart Nunnally: You know the interesting thing is that teeth, not only baby teeth but wisdom teeth are even impacted wisdom teeth are a very good source of stem cells. So now for example if we have a younger patient who for some reason or another has had to lose a molar tooth, or any tooth, if they have an impacted wisdom tooth that is not going to come in and contribute to a good healthy dentition, we can remove that. And the patient then will submit that to a stem cell bank and the tooth then can be held to provide stem cells for the future. Nadine: Oh. That is good good to know. Dr. Stuart Nunnally: Yes. Exactly.
little protein but lots of carbohydrates, lots of fruits and vegetables. And by the same token he could go to those cold-weather climates and extreme climates where they only had dairy and protein and had very little carbohydrates. But he showed that even among those people groups, when they ate their ancestral diet, when they ate what was indigenous to them they would have these beautiful full arches, full large jawbones that would accommodate all the teeth. Well, he showed over and over again that when we got away from what our DNA was designed to have, not only would our jaws shrink in size and our teeth become decayed, but our overall health would decline. And we see that in dentistry all the time. Dentistry is no dentist on the planet would be alive if it were not for the poor nutrition of our patients. Nutrition is absolutely the root cause of all of the dentistry that most of us see.
Nadine: Speaking of wisdom teeth again, I just it makes me think of the work of Dr. Weston Price and proper nutrition and, you know the reason why we do not have as much space in our jaw anymore, you know and all kind of stuff. I was wondering if you can speak a bit about nutrition and bone structure and And so I am very, very thankful for the work Weston Prices work? of Weston Price. He showed and we believe today that when a child or a young adult is Dr. Stuart Nunnally: Sure. Well, Weston Price able to accommodate all of their wisdom is my hero. You know I thank God for his work teeth when their jaws do accommodate and for his boldness and for the absolute them, we should leave them. thoroughness of his work. That work has never been duplicated mainly because I think Nadine: Yes. no one has the stamina to do what Weston Dr. Stuart Nunnally: There is absolutely no Price did in the 1920s and 30s, 40s. reason to remove wisdom teeth for the sake And so what he demonstrated was poor of removing wisdom teeth. Now there are nutritions contribute to smaller jaws, which wisdom teeth now obviously which are so contribute to crowded teeth. Not only to jammed in, they are so crowding the other decay but actually the actual structures of teeth that they can actually jeopardize the face do not develop in the same robust teeth and in that case they warrant removal. way as when a patient is on their indigenous But whenever they are in and they are in diet. And he proved this among indigenous occlusion where a patient can use them, then peoples around the world. they should be left alone. And the diets varied the diets varied a lot according to what part of the world they were in. You know if they were in a tropical climate, many of those people then were eating very Nadine: Yes, that makes sense. And do at your so that reminds me of things like all the, you know teeth grinding, all these issues that we have, TMJ, surely some of this
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structural stuff is a part of that and including just modern lifestyle choices or things that are creating tension. Or even dental work, which can affect the whole cranial and the spine. What does your office do to help people with teeth grinding and TMJ? What are your recommendations? Dr. Stuart Nunnally: Well it varies so much from patient to patient. But sometimes teeth grinding is a simple matter of just finding the interferences, finding those areas on teeth where they are hitting incorrectly, correcting that by just dusting away those surfaces slightly so that the teeth fit together properly. And oftentimes that will help with the clenching or grinding. But there are other many, many other factors as well. And probably too many to go into here.
Dr. Stuart Nunnally: Yes. There are certainly orthodontists who understand that nickel is not a healthy metal. Now nickel is found in stainless steel, it is about 70% of stainless steel. It is found in all orthodontic metallic brackets that I know of. There may be some now that do not contain nickel. It is found in almost all of the wires that are used by orthodontists to straighten teeth because nickel and titanium can be alloyed together to form a wire that has amazing resiliency. So these wires will tend to straighten the teeth in a beautiful manner, but the unfortunate thing is the child is exposed to nickel.
Well, there are dentists, orthodontists around the country who realize that nickel is not a great material. Sometimes I know they feel like they are completely hamstrung and they just have to use that in order to get Nadine: Yes. the result that they want. We like we have Dr. Stuart Nunnally: You know one of the orthodontists that we work with who are most conservative things that can be done very much aware of the nickel issue and they is to make a small little plastic splint that try to minimize its exposure to the children. fits over the teeth where basically a patient So that is the biggest issue in my opinion is is unable to grind. If they are going to grind that nickel is considered a carcinogen and they are going to grind on that surface rather wherever it can avoided, it should be. You than their teeth. And oftentimes we will use know over 50% of the women in this country that initially to determine actually as a are sensitized to nickel for a number of diagnostic tool to determine what is causing reasons. One, from cookware, the other from the grinding. And if the little plastic splint wearing costume jewelry, and well over 25% helps stop that or eliminate that, it serves as of the men are sensitized to nickel. So it is a a tool to point us as to what to do next. So metal we need to stay away from. there are many, many ways to deal with TMJ issues. Probably the splint is the one used Nadine: Absolutely. Gum disease and gum by dentists most to make a determination of recession are big issues. What do you what needs to be done. recommend for that? And can receding gums, can it be stopped and can we heal Nadine: That is good to know. Also, I do them? not know if you do orthodontics, but there are some advances there are holistic Dr. Stuart Nunnally: Receding gums can orthodontics, are there not? Or there are definitely be managed. This is hard for all of some what are the choices for people that us to understand and appreciate, but most ? often receding gums is due to grinding and clenching our teeth. It is very much as if Dr. Stuart Nunnally: Well, there are. we went out into the field and there were a fencepost there and if we took that fencepost Nadine: Yes. There are? Okay.
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and we began to try to wiggle it, the ground around it would begin to crater. And so it is with our teeth. When we grind and clench we flex our teeth, we move them from side to side and the gum tissue tends to go south when we do that.
or a whole host of things whenever our lymphatics are clogged, well our tooth then is not able to detox the way it needs to.
And so you know the problem in dentistry is that often times we isolate teeth from the rest of the body thinking that they do not So I think having a good stable occlusion impact our systemic health and thinking is probably the most important thing that that our teeth are not also impacted by our we can do to have gum tissue that is not systematic health. We tend to isolate them as receded. And then of course if we combine if they stood alone; and they do not. So when that grinding and clenching with poor oral you talk about lymphatics or hormones or hygiene where we allow the bacteria to other chemical messengers in our body, they collect around the neck of the tooth, then we all play a very important role in every organ. have set up the perfect storm where you have bacteria very much analogous to termites And we know for example that the bacteria in our foundation of our home just going to that are in teeth infected teeth, not only do work. And now when we start to wiggle the they produce toxins but they also stimulate tooth we really advance the degree to which and help form what are called cytokines, and the bone resorbs around the tooth and to these are little chemical messengers that which the gum tissue tends to migrate down can go throughout the body and turn on all sorts of different responses. Some of them the tooth. good, some of them causing our own cells to respond and come to our aid and some of them bad. Some of them being implicated in So when you talk about a number of other diseases.
lymphatics or hormones or other chemical messengers in our body, they all play a very important role in every organ.
So what we always tell people is, you know what goes on here in the mouth does not stay here. It can manifest itself anywhere in the body.
I always remember one particular patient. I Nadine: Yes. And then other then it is like a removed a root canal tooth for her because the tooth was bothering her. This was before bit of a snowball. I knew about the systemic health implications Dr. Stuart Nunnally: It is. It is. of root canal teeth or the toxicities. I removed the tooth for her and the following she came Nadine: And what are your thoughts on things in and said you know when I came to see that also affect like the dentinial lymph in the you last week and have that tooth removed, teeth, the hormones, all of that affecting the I could hardly walk on my left foot because gums as well, and the strength of the tooth? my big toe hurt so badly. Dr. Stuart Nunnally: Well, you know our teeth Now this was a lady with no history of gout, need to have good lymphatic drainage just had been in perfect health. But her lower like every other organ. And so whenever our molar had something to do with her big toe lymphatics are clogged or when we have because she said literally, she said when that had interruptions to our lymphatics either tooth was removed, she said by the time I through infections or through malignancies
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got home my big toe had felt absolutely normal. Well when I saw her the next week to check her she said do you think that could have had any connection? And of course at that time, probably 15 or 20 years ago I sort of scratched my head and said you know what, I guess it just absolutely had to. But I would not have recognized it had she not really brought it to my attention.
is it scavenged so that it does not go into the wastewater treatment system of my city. And if the dentist says no, we do not have that, then I would look for another dentist. Because I think as dentists it should be incumbent upon us to take the steps necessary to protect the environment from mercury.
Nadine: Absolutely. But now over the years it is almost a weekly thing when patients say gosh, I cannot Dr. Stuart Nunnally: Those are two absolute, believe such-and-such has gone away since I in my opinion, responses that I would want to hear. Then I would also say do you, or does have had that infected tooth dealt with. the dentist and his staff wear some sort of Nadine: Amazing. Now if people now your protective device when they are removing dental practice is amazing. And you are set mercury. In other words, in my opinion if up to take people from all over the world. a dentist and his staff are not protecting I have seen your website and you have like themselves, I am wondering in my mind if I hotel suggestions and the health food store were a patient how well am I being protected. is like this many miles away and it is really awesome. But if for some reason people are And so and I will have to say I want to not able to get to your great dental practice, absolutely say, you know I did not do that for what do you suggest they look for and ask years. I did not protect my staff or myself. perspective dental practices dental offices? Of course now we wear mercury vapor respirators when we work and we have a Dr. Stuart Nunnally: Well, here is what I would number of things in the treatment rooms to do. try to eliminate any exposure to mercury. But that is a very simple precautionary measure Nadine: Okay. that can be done. And I would want to choose Dr. Stuart Nunnally: If I were looking for a a dentist who is doing that for himself and dentist I would call and I would ask the dentist for his staff. these things. I would say does your dental And you know then I would I think that office use a rubber dam especially when you finally the last question is there are several remove mercury fillings. Because a rubber fantastic organizations in this country that dam is the very first line of defense when are really leading the way in terms of trying mercury fillings are removed. And I would to educate dentists on proper protocols for just simply ask do you as a dental office do doing dentistry safely and for really looking that. Because that is a, in my opinion a very at the systemic health of the patient. simple thing. It can be very effective and it is one of those things that in my opinion we One to which I belong and feel very proud to should be doing if we are removing mercury be a member of is the International Academy fillings. And so I personally would not go to a of Oral Medicine and Toxicology. You can go dentist who did not do that. to the IAOMT website and dentists many of the dentists who attend those meetings have Number two, I would ask does your office been very well trained in how to do dental have a mercury scavenging system so that procedures in my opinion in a very safe way. when mercury goes into your vacuum lines,
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There is another academy called the International Academy of Biological Dentists, there is a Holistic Dental Association. There are several organizations which are really devoting time and energy to educating dentists on how to do holistic dentistry well. Nadine: Nice. And some I mean some holistic dentists you know I have seen like some will still do root canals. So I always find that is an interesting question to ask to just see if they came to that like you were like as soon as you learned you were like I cannot do another one. Dr. Stuart Nunnally: Right. It is a difficult, difficult decision for dentists to make because their number one because of our training. We are obviously all trained to save every tooth, almost at any expense. We are often times pressured certainly by our peers, but also by patients saying oh how could I possibly get along without this tooth. And then we are also you know we are also influenced by the fact that many people have root canal teeth and appear to have very normal health. And so you know there are many analogies to that like many, many people for example who lived in asbestos houses had a very normal health. You know not everyone got mesothelioma; not everyone became ill.
And finally the third requirement in order for the tooth to make the study was that the tooth had to be totally asymptomatic. So the patient could not tell the difference between this tooth and any other tooth in their mouth. So all of these patients had been referred because they were in ill health and their physicians and the patients wanted these teeth removed. So I removed the teeth, absolutely beautifully done root canal teeth, I submitted all of those to a laboratory for toxicity testing and overall these teeth averaged in the severe range in terms of their toxicity. Nadine: Wow. Dr. Stuart Nunnally: And so these were the very best of the best and yet their overall toxicity was in the severe range on the laboratories toxicity scale. So after months of preparing that paper it will finally be published at the end of the month. But that research is available and there are many, many other studies, even now in the mainstream Journal of Endodontics, showing that we cannot get root canal teeth sterile. They continue to harbor bacteria.
So even if we completely discounted or were unaware of Weston Prices research, which is almost 100 years old now, there is more and more research coming on the scene that really shows the relationship between our There is also the fact that many of us as systemic health and diseased teeth. dentists have not been exposed to the research that point out that infected teeth, Nadine: Wow, that is fascinating. I am glad root canal teeth and cavitations have a high that stuff is getting published and getting degree of toxicity. I have a paper that will out there. My final question to you is if you finally be published this September well, this could have the tooth fairy put a message for month this month the end of the month in children under their pillows, what would it the Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine, and be? in this particular study I removed 87 teeth, which at least from an x-ray standpoint Dr. Stuart Nunnally: It would be the least looked absolutely perfect. These root canal amount of dentistry, typically the better off teeth had been done perfectly. And also from you are. the x-ray you could see no sign of disease Nadine: Right. whatsoever.
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Dr. Stuart Nunnally: And that of course goes now in a pig and the research is really a hot for medicine too. topic today. And it will be an absolute will it not be exciting to know in the future that we Nadine: Yes. can grow a tooth back that is composed of Dr. Stuart Nunnally: But the least amount of our own DNA? dentistry and medicine, typically the better Nadine: Yes. That is awesome. Thank you so off we are. And the more informed we are much for your compassion and your forward about the materials that are going to be used thinking. I greatly appreciate it. for us, no matter what they are, whether they are medical or dental, the better off we are. Dr. Stuart Nunnally: Well, it was a privilege. Thank you so much for having me. Nadine: And perhaps we should get those tooth fairies to send the teeth to a stem cell Nadine: Thank you. bank. Dr. Stuart Nunnally: Well, there is going to come a time when we do grow our teeth back. I am convinced of that. It has been done
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The brilliant Dr. Hal Huggins has contributed greatly to our current knowledge of the mouths connection to the body.
and he has an abundant knowledge of the bodys blood, teeth, organ function, what Nadine: Todays guest is goes on with toxicity and bacteria and how it considered the father of affects the whole body. mercury-free dentistry. Dr. Dr. Huggins has developed proper protocols Hal Huggins went to dental for safely removing mercury fillings, removing school like every other root canals and cleaning up jaw cavitations. dentist, yet somehow with his maverick mind His institute, Huggins Applied Healing, is an and his intelligent curiosity, he called into excellent resource with knowledgeable staff question the common procedures of modern and the staff will gladly answer questions dentistry. The brilliant Dr. Hal Huggins has over the phone and can help you locate a contributed greatly to our current knowledge qualified dentist in your area. of the mouths connection to the body. His website is drhuggins.com. And Dr. Dr. Huggins has both a dentistry degree and Huggins has authored many books. Among a masters degree in immunology. He is an the titles, Uninformed Consent, The Hidden expert in blood and cellular chemistry with Dangers of Dental Care; It is all in Your Head, decades of research and holistic dentistry, The Link Between Mercury, Amalgams and
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Illness. And this book actually was challenged self-cleansing system and bringing nutrient by the legal system four times and each time into the tooth. Because the tooth has a whole it won. His other books include What Makes lot of living structures in it. Your Hormones Hum, Solving the MS Mystery and Why Raise Ugly Children. Today we shall get to the root of root canals and understand why Dr. Huggins has said do not leave your health in your dentists hands and assume all will be fine. So, welcome and thank you for being such a pioneer. Hal Huggins: Well, that sounded pretty good. I could listen a long time to that. You do a better job than I could. Nadine: One of my favorite books, and I But when that fluid flow turns around and it just mentioned the title is Why Raise Ugly starts sucking things from the mouth, through Children. the enamel, into the dentin, into the pulp chamber, that is when you have dental decay. Hal Huggins: Why Raise Ugly Kids. That is when you can have pulp chambers die. Nadine: Yes, Why Raise Ugly Kids. Sorry. The nerve can die in it because it is bringing in the bacteria from the mouth that may not Hal Huggins: Yes. It has a little bit different be particularly friendly. And this is dependent ring to it. upon a certain number of minerals in the Nadine: It does. Why Raise Ugly Kids. It was body and the certain foods that you eat and such a find for me; I picked up a used copy your own endocrine function. So that is why and the chapter on Why Raise Holey Teeth, it took 74 articles to explain it. I loved that. And that was a real eureka It is a little on the difficult side, but what moment in my understanding of teeth when happens is that sugar makes the fluid flow you explain how teeth, far from being mere go into the tooth, therefore demineralizing appendages in our mouth, have a dentinal it. So he did a whole lot of studies, some fluid and are functioning with our bodies as a of them kind of interesting where he would whole. Can you explain to everyone listening take rats, which have the identical process of more about this concept? decay that humans have, and he would use Hal Huggins: Well, this was developed by Dr. a stomach tube to put their food into their Ralph Steinman at the University of Loma stomach so that food never went through Linda Dental School back many years ago. the mouth. You still got the same amount of He published 70-some articles through the dental decay in the rats that they did if they 1950s, 60s and 70s, showing that teeth are were eating the sugar diets, or if they were alive. Well, why we can say they are alive is eating a good diet. because there is a fluid flow that goes, it is And then he went a step further and injected blood serum fluid, that goes from the pulp solutions into the body cavity, you know not chamber, through the dentin, through the even into the stomach, just where the organs enamel into the mouth, acting as kind of a
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are wandering around. And he got the same number of cavities there too.
have dental decay. Well, I got in the middle of this by knowing both the men pretty well, and it seems that when the blood chemistry So food touching the tooth really does not phosphorus goes below 3.5 that is when the have anything to do with dental decay. Now fluid flow starts being sucked from the mouth it can in it as that fluid is sucking things in, into the tooth demineralizing the tooth. if the food is degenerating it is gonna bring degeneration products into the tooth and So those two systems together are a perfect just make the demineralization system go match. And they show you from my work, on faster. But if you are eating a high protein which is primary blood chemistry now, I can diet, the fluids flow from the inside out and tell you whether you are resistant to dental you do not have decay. If you are eating a decay or susceptible to it just by one glance low protein diet the fluids flow into the tooth, at the serum phosphorus level. If it is above giving you dental decay. 3.5, you have got a lot of resistance to dental decay, if it is below, you have got a lot of Nadine: Yes. I love that because it takes us past susceptibility to dental decay. That makes it this acidogenic theory and then it is all just very simple. about sugar and bacteria being the initial cause of decay. I mean in a way they are because if Nadine: It makes it very simple. And also I you are ingesting it, but I think if we am glad you brought their work together. And did not also Dr. Melvin Page write about Hal Huggins: But if you bit into the stomach blood sugar levels? where there was no bacteria that is gonna be initiating it in the mouth, then that shows Hal Huggins: Oh, he wrote about all kinds of that yes, you are absolutely right that it is things. Yes. dental decay is a systemic disease. It is not because you got a piece of food sitting on Nadine: Right. the tooth. Now, this does not forgive you Hal Huggins: But the blood sugar levels are from not brushing your teeth. real closely related to cancer for one thing, but to gum disease. The higher the blood sugar, just by increments of one or two So food touching the tooth points, the more susceptible the gums are to really does not have anything bacterial invasion. Bacteria do not invade the gums. The gums have to become degenerate to do with dental decay. first and then the bacteria have an invitation to move in. So it is not a bacterial attack, it Nadine: Right. is more of a hey, here is a months free rent to come in. This is related to the blood sugar. Hal Huggins: [Inaudible] better. But yes, you do need to brush your teeth and floss and Nadine: That just makes so much sense. How this sort of thing. But that is not you can still can people know their blood serum levels or brush and floss and get dental decay because I think they could probably monitor blood that is not where dental decay comes from. sugar at home. There was another man, a little bit older, but about the same time, Melvin Page down in Florida, who found that when the blood serum phosphorus level is below 3.5, you have dental decay. If it is above 3.5 you do not Hal Huggins: Yes. They have systems now that are quite simple to do that diabetics use to monitor their blood sugar levels. Otherwise you have a blood test done at a hospital. Where blood tests used to be extremely
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Well, fortunately I had some grand mentors. I took probably more post-graduate work than anybody in the State of Colorado ever has. And it lead me to people that lead me to people that lead me to people and pretty Nadine: Wow. soon you work your way up to the people at Hal Huggins: So, yes, it is getting where this the top. And the people at the top of course is one of the things we do with our patients is you do not always see as published because teach them how to interpret their own blood they seem controversial. chemistry. And then they are in control of You know it is like Semmelweis; they did him their bodys health. in because he said wash your hands before Nadine: Yes. That is awesome. And that is why we also are having this program, so that people can become empowered and not just be like I am brushing and flossing every day, but I have so many cavities or I need a root canal. So I did mention in your bio that you did obviously go to dental school like every other dentist. What do you think gave you the ability to question the status quo and these sort of modern day practices that are just so ingrained in our society? Hal Huggins: You know somehow or another through that I missed the central question. Nadine: Oh, sorry. Well, I am saying that you went to dental school Hal Huggins: Yes. Nadine: and I am wondering what sort of eureka moments did you have that made you question these common practices. Because it seems like, you know root canals, the way the materials we are using for fillings, extracting wisdom teeth and leaving ligaments in and creating jaw cavitations, all of this you have deeply gone into and brought up to the surface and shed light on it. And I am just wondering if you you deliver babies and before you do surgery. Well, that was different from the modern, so they beat the snot out of him and had him locked up until he died. And so that is sort of what you run into when you run into people at the top. But fortunately I did run into the people at the top. As far as the chemistry is concerned, I took a whole lot of post-graduate work for five years and kept learning things that I did not feel I really had a grasp of what dentistry was all about until I took a course with Dr. Arnie Lauretson. It was a five-day seminar. And the first day at the break at 10:30, I went up to him and I said Dr. Lauretson, I am going home now. And he said why are you doing that, we have four and a half days to go. And I said yes, but I have already got my moneys worth and I do not wanna cheat you. Well, that lead to a long-term relationship ending up where I wrote his textbook again and again and again. I had to rewrite it eight times over five years before it would satisfy all of his requirements. Nadine: Wow.
Hal Huggins: But I learned a bit in doing that. But he introduced me to Melvin Page, and so that introduced me to blood and chemistry. Hal Huggins: Yes. The eureka moment was And Melvin Page was doing about eight what threw me. I did not catch that word. But chemistries at that time, and now here, 40 threw off the whole rest of the paragraph. years later, I am doing about 40 chemistries. So, you know that just triggered things. And
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as I found things that could not be explained, I found other blood chemistries over a period of years from the 60s through the 70s through 80s and 90s, I began to add more of these chemistries because more of the interpretations are not in the textbooks, but they are in the people.
at another chemistry, and then you decide what needs to be done.
Well, within three weeks I decided to throw away all of my amalgam placing, mercury filling placing equipment and I have never used it since. So by looking, watching, monitoring chemistries and other things, it So when you watch people you can learn does not take but several decades to figure these things. And now the last three or four out where health comes from. years we have been working with DNA to the point we have our own research DNA Nadine: Right. I heard you recommend root canals only if somebody is not interested in laboratory here. their health. Nadine: Wow. Hal Huggins: Yes. That is right. I feel that Hal Huggins: And when I see the DNA that is people have a right to do whatever you showing us what bacteria are in the root canals want to. You know I do not particularly think and cavitations and implants and things like smoking is good for you, but people smoke that, all of a sudden they explain what I could okay. I do not care. not figure out in the blood chemistry. And it is beginning to pull things together so that, Nadine: Yes. you know I have been in practice now over Hal Huggins: It is their choice for their body. 50 years and I am beginning to you know And with root canals, if you need a root they say well, how long do you practice canal, fine. Go ahead because the lack of root before you can play. Well, I am getting to the canals is only for people who are interested point where I may be able to play before long in their health. this little instrument called the human body Nadine: Yes. It is amazing. So I think or the blood chemistry. statistically in modern dentistry, I think they Nadine: Wow. say they are 97% sterile, but I think your Hal Huggins: So each thing has lead to work, you found it 100% of the time when something else. Dr. Olympio Pinto for you remove the root canal and you study the instance, in 1973, introduced me to the fact bacteria, you are showing 100% of the time that mercury was poisonous. Well, I knew bacteria. that. But he said mercury comes out of the fillings. Well, I argued that point and he said all right. I was lecturing I met him in Mexico City I was lecturing on blood and chemistry down there. And he said okay, you know something about blood chemistry, you go home, take some blood chemistry, put some amalgams in. Take another chemistry a few days later and then do the same thing in reverse. Take a chemistry, take a few amalgams out and look Hal Huggins: Yes. 100% of them are contaminated and we are not exactly talking about a small study. You know I see studies published in the literature where they are talking about 10, 20, 30, 50 teeth and that sort of thing. Well, we have done over 800 of them. And so far 100% are contaminated. In fact I just taught a seminar on DNA interpretations this past weekend. And one of the things we showed was one of the dentists had given me 19 teeth, that looking at the
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Hal Huggins: Mayo well, Mayos discovered Dr. Rosenthal there, discovered that if he took a root canalled tooth out from somebody who he was a microbiologist, he did not really take the tooth out. But if he Nadine: Right. had a dentist take out a root-canalled tooth Hal Huggins: But there were no infections, from somebody who had had a heart attack, no abscesses. These 19 teeth would pass the implanted it under the skin of a rabbit, in two state board saying yes, these are perfect weeks the rabbit died of a heart attack. root canals. Some of them had been in a So he took this information to the head of a few months; some of them had been in for dental research, Dr. Weston Price, and Price ten years. So we took those and found an went ahead and started studying it and found average of over 30 pathological bacteria. not only heart disease could be transmitted Pathological bacteria are the ones that give 100% of the time, but many other, quote, you disease. And some of these diseases we autoimmune diseases could be transmitted are finding are kind of surprising. from the human into the rabbit. So Mayos For instance the one that really blew my mind was leprosy. Nadine: Wow. did 11,000 rabbits in their test and Price did 60,000 rabbits in his. Nadine: Wow.
Hal Huggins: I thought that went out with Hal Huggins: So, you know that is kind of strong data, but the Dental Association says, crucifixion. oh, well, we have proved that is wrong. Nadine: Yes. Nadine: Wow. Hal Huggins: Now, we do have a higher percentage in these teeth for some reason or Hal Huggins: Well, he had blood chemistries, other than we do in the general population. In he had microscopic evidence, he had the the general population we only see about 20- bacteria that had been plated out by PhD some percent of the root-canalled teeth that microbiologists that he had hired as well as have leprosy. But in this particular section of from Mayos. So, you know there was nothing but gobs and gobs of information on the 19 teeth, there were 42% that had leprosy. patient showing the patient history, how they Nadine: Wow. had improved and all these sort of things. Hal Huggins: But there are, you know every And dentistry blatantly says that is not true disease you have ever heard of under the sun, because of the liability. The liability for the the bacteria that causes it are housed in the Dental Association to keep continuing root-canalled tooth. You know heart disease forcing dentists to do this or lose their license was proved in 09, to be related to root canal. would be in the quintillions of dollars. So it is, you know what is the most important in the By the way that is 1909. world? Nadine: Oh. Wow. A while ago. Nadine: Right. Hal Huggins: Yes. This was started at Mayos Hal Huggins: Money. Money makes the world maybe you have heard of the Mayo Clinic. go around. You better believe it. Nadine: Yes.
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Nadine: Incredible. I understand I think from listening to another interview that you have done that and I could not believe this, but that there might actually be a yearly quota for root canals, and that also makes me wonder can somebody be misdiagnosed as to needing a root canal? Like could they have a condition that does not need to be root canalled?
proved he was in good shape. There is no way he was gonna have a root canal. So the secretarys diagnosis over the telephone was I am scheduling you for a root canal. Nadine: Wow.
Hal Huggins: Well, when you put it like that, yes. There was a friend of mine who I had I was doing the body chemistry on and he happened to be from Colorado Springs. We were not working in Colorado Springs, but he lived here and he had five root canals removed and some temporary bridges Hal Huggins: You know that is just like the placed. You know just plastic that are put on cops; do not speed after the 26th of the with temporary cement. And this is fine. month. They claim they do not have a quota, but some of the people who used to be cops Well, one of the teeth began to get a little say well, it may not be a quota but it is an sore. So I had him close down, I said, you know amount that we have to collect. So I read a close down real slowly and tell me where the book the other day that showed there are first place that touches is. Well, it was right 100,000 tickets given out every day for on that tooth. So the tooth was a little high. speeding. Now, tell me that there was no So I called a dentist and I said you know we quota on that. have got a fellow here who has a temporary bridge that is a little high and probably, you I mean it is kind of laughable around here know just take a little burr and go [inaudible] because, you know the cops are out chasing at that one spot and it will be fine. He says the soccer moms most of the month, and yes, that sounds like it to me. then all of a sudden you see them all over the freeways. And the faster the four lanes and My daughter is a dentist here, so have him so on for the 26th, 7th, 8th, 9th and then call and come in, I will just have her go in come the first of the month they disappear. and take care of it. So he called the office and he said he needed to come in to have an Nadine: That is funny. adjustment on his temporary bridge. He says why. He says well the tooth is sore. He says Hal Huggins: So, you know dentistry well, oh, no, no, no. You need a root canal. I will go I have heard from several sources. They are not putting it in writing, but there seems ahead and schedule you for a root canal. Nadine: Yes. Nadine: Oh. Hal Huggins: Well, he had just had five of them taken out because he was in pretty bad health and his health had returned remarkably as shown by how he felt and the blood chemistries. You know everything Hal Huggins: to be a quota because they made a quota of 30 million a year by the year 2000. Well, by 1999, they accomplished that. So the quota now has the bar has been raised to 60 million and rumor has it that
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dentists are doing 40 million a year. Well, that is 40 million challenges to the immune system, and I spent four years studying the immune system and it is like my baby and you leave it alone. I do not like all look at all the new diseases, that is part of one of my lectures is look at the new diseases that have occurred in the last hundred years. Nadine: Yes. Hal Huggins: Well, there was the combination I call the marriage between metals and microbes where the dental metals are now stimulating the microbes, the bacteria, to produce toxins. Well, it used to be that one bacteria produced one toxin produced one disease. You know where did pneumonia come from? It came from the pneumonia bug and it gave you one disease, pneumonia. And there was one cure, you know penicillin. Nadine: Yes. Hal Huggins: Well, now the bacteria can produce as many as five to 15 different plasmids they are called, which are the little organs that produce toxins, so one bacteria can now give you 15 diseases instead of just the one. You know it used to be we had one source of measles, the measles virus. One source of polio, the poliovirus. And now with the expansion of this system with the metals turning on the bacteria to make them produce toxins, this is the sort of stuff that we are studying in our DNA laboratory. So we have positive proof of what these things are doing.
because, you know he was just learning English, which he is quite fluent with now, but he was learning it at that time. And they were quite supportive that he was a brilliant person and his research was just so good showing the mercury coming out and the diseases it proved. The American Dental Association found out about it and the next day he was informed that he either changed his thesis on what he was doing with mercury or he was going back to Brazil the next day. Nadine: Oh, wow. That is incredible. Hal Huggins: So he gave me his library of research in the 70s. Then he got derailed about 1962, and then about 1974 he gave me his library of research on mercury toxicity, which is what got me started in it in this country and, you know they could not kick me out well, they did try when I took my Nadine: Tried. Hal Huggins: This is kind of interesting. When I took the [inaudible] of my post-doc masters in immunology and toxicology, a lot of the professors there did not care for me being in a university because I was challenging dentistry and there was nothing wrong with dentistry. Dental materials are safe.
Well, they had a mercury spill in one of the laboratories because at that time, mercury they were using a lot of it here and there. And several of the kids got sick so they called the guy who was the head toxicologist Well, is there any point in trying to publish in the Rocky Mountain area and they said this? I do not think so. You know I mentioned hey, we have had a mercury spill here and Dr. Pinto as the one who introduced me to some of these kids may be sick. What do the fact that mercury is coming out of fillings. we do about it? And he said oh, you are so fortunate because one of the worlds experts He was taking a post-doctoral masters at in mercury is right here in Colorado Springs. Georgetown University in about 1962, and That is Dr. Hal Huggins. he had been doing it for a year and the head professor in chemistry and the head Nadine: Perfect. professor in physics both were behind him
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Hal Huggins: So they decided maybe they better not kick me out of school, they would keep me around because I was called upon to help these kids who had gotten sick and show what the changes were in their white blood cells and so on. And this rather impressed the professors that, you know maybe mercury is poisonous after all.
You have got sodium and potassium working in the nerves and one of them gets kicked out or the other gets kicked out, well you start kicking out the potassium first and all of a sudden you come down with diseases.
So it is like landing a 747. It can be done by somebody who knows what they are doing, but it can be kind of tricky because if you Nadine: I am sure a lot of our listeners have happen to have only one wheel on the runway mercury fillings and root canals. So can you it is gonna be a tough landing. talk about why they might have remove them and what protocols and why really Nadine: Yes. strict protocols in their removal, especially Hal Huggins: So people can call our office. We the mercury, need to be followed? do have dentists we have trained. A lot of them Hal Huggins: Yes. There was a protocol for all have been threatened if they take out amalgams this. It is kind of like if you are flying a 747 and they are gonna lose their license. A lot of them it is time to get off, well you need to land it. have had their license taken away. So it is, you But, you know first of all you need to find an know it is not the sort of thing you can just blast airport, you need to know what direction the out on the radio go see Charlie over here and wind is blowing, you need to have the wheels he will do it for you. But if you call our office we down and probably 50 other things need to can give you some choices of people to call. be done if you are gonna land a 747. Well, that is about the same thing in taking out the root canals and taking out the, quote, silver fillings. It is actually silver colored fillings because mercury is silver colored. Then if you just take them out at random, you know we found through testing here that if people just had their fillings removed at random 63% ended up with an autoimmune disease they did not have before they had their fillings removed. Because the fillings have electrical current in them and if you some of them are positive charge, some are negative. Just like a battery it has a positive and a negative. Well, fillings have positive and negative charge. And if you take out the ones with the positive charge first you trigger the immune system to generate some kind of a bad reaction, which we would call disease. And if you take out the high negative ones first, you trigger another system in the immune system, which alters the nervous system. Nadine: That is wonderful. Hal Huggins: We have got an 800 number if you wanna give it out. It is it is not really 800, it is 866, but it is toll-free. And it is 866948-4638. 866-948-4638. Nadine: Thank you. Hal Huggins: And they will direct you to somebody who has got the guts to do it right. Nadine: And so many people have root canals, and I have heard maybe you can also speak to I have heard things like if you have a root canal on one side there was, you know a good chance if you are a woman there may be breast cancer that develops on that breast. And all these autoimmune diseases. So, removing root canals though, it does seem like you are kind of in a rock in a hard place for some teeth. You are like oh, because you have to have your tooth extracted is one possibility.
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canals and we have got a whole gob of root canals with people that have breast cancer that show the relationship just a little bit Nadine: Yes. too often to be an accident. And if you do Hal Huggins: so which would you rather biopsies on the breasts or do autopsies on them after removal, you find the same bugs. have? Nadine: Not that that is funny, but you are And you find another thing there, and that right. It is kind of a yes. Interesting choices. is aluminum. And aluminum turns out to be far more toxic than I ever thought it was. Hal Huggins: It is not a rock and a hard place; And aluminum is present in about 60% of it is a choice. the white fillings, the save composites. Well, the whole gob of them have 85% aluminum Nadine: Yes. silicate in it, and the aluminum, believe it or Hal Huggins: If you would rather have a not comes out and concentrates in some of mastectomy than to lose a root canalled those areas. tooth, okay. That is your choice. At least you have to be informed. And we have a book And you look at under arm anti-per spirants on informing that is coming out in about two and deodorants and you look at where do the or three weeks. It will be on e-something or tumors occur in the breasts, they are in what is called the lateral aspect, which means over other, what do you call it? eBooks, so on the side. So the left breast is gonna have Nadine: Oh, great. And by the time this airs it it on the far left corner of the breast and the will be out because we will air this in October. right on the far right of people who use I That is great. do not care what they say about aluminum not being in it, it is in there. They may call it Hal Huggins: But they can just call our 800 alum 866 number or look at drhuggins.com and find out how to get hold of it and so on. But Nadine: Right. I have decided that at my advanced years it is time to let the secrets come out. So it Hal Huggins: which is the European spelling is a book that tells what can mercury do to for it you, what can root canals do, what can tooth Nadine: Yes. Yes. whitening, what can sealants. I mean there was a whole gob of stuff in there that has Hal Huggins: but it is there. And if you had immunization shots when you were a kid, they consequences. have a kid at two months old gets 1,400 Nadine: Yes. micrograms of aluminum in the vaccinations. Hal Huggins: And if you know the And FDA tries to now watch this one, watch consequences, take your choice. But, yes, in and follow the numbers. fact I am giving a lecture next week I think it is, in California and it happens to be on breast cancer and I was writing it 30 minutes ago I was involved in putting that together. So I am kind of current on that. Nadine: Okay. Hal Huggins: FDA says you do not want more than 25 micrograms per liter, which is close to a quart. Okay, you got that if you are given an IV like saline salt water or something, you We are finding the bacteria that are associated cannot have but 25 micrograms in a whole with breast cancer that come from the root quart of that stuff. All right
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Nadine: Right.
Hal Huggins: Yes. That is right. So brush more and floss more and use the Waterpik and all Hal Huggins: how much is in an immunization that, but that does not change the health of shot? It is like one cc, which would be one- the body. That cleans things up in the topical thousandth of that bottle. Well, in that one area, but if you know if you pray before you cc, one milliliter they are gonna get 1,400 rob the bank that does not forgive you for micrograms of aluminum, which sets you up robbing the bank. for autoimmune diseases that are stimulated by aluminum later on. Like you drink pop Nadine: Nope. So for the removal of a root out of an aluminum can or beer out of an canal, what if so if somebody says okay, I aluminum can, sooner or later the body says I have a root canal, I am gonna have it removed. am getting tired of this and you get a disease I am gonna have it removed by somebody response. that is been trained properly, which would most likely have been your institute training Nadine: Yes. It is easy math when you put it that dentist. Perhaps you can explain about together like that and you see all of the things removing the ligament, and then what are that contribute to heavy metal toxicity. There the choices post-root canal? Like what do must be a way people can test to see amounts you do with the space left in your mouth? of aluminum in their body. And then I think it would be great too if you can speak about Hal Huggins: Yes. Do you know what Chiclets the relation of cholesterol and detoxing the are? body. Nadine: Yes. Just pop one of those in? Hal Huggins: Yes. Cholesterol is one of the better detoxifiers, so why is it that it is given Hal Huggins: How do you protect the patient? a black eye? Albumin is the best detoxifier, There are you know we have been doing that is one of the proteins in the blood. this for 20-some years and we keep finding And when you have adequate albumin, you things. I just found something last year and probably have an adequate phosphorus level I just found something six months ago that and bingo, you do not have dental decay make a big difference in a persons health. So like landing that plane that old 747 again, either. there are a lot of little tricks to it. So that is why they say the mouth is the barometer of the bodys health. Because The most important thing is to have when you start getting decay, the disease intravenous vitamin C running while the is not limited to below your nose and above surgery is going on. Because the minute that forceps touches the tooth, the bacteria your chin. around the tooth for half an inch, are squirted Nadine: Right. into the bloodstream and have their own little tiny GPS system. I think you can get them at Hal Huggins: That means that the whole body Walmart. And these little tiny GPS systems is degenerating. You are a degenerate. that each bacteria have, tell them how to get Nadine: So signs in the mouth, like bleeding to their favorite tissue. That might be some slight stretch of imagination the finding it gums and cavities can be a wakeup call at Walmart. Hal Huggins: Yes. But anyway, they do have it is just like a Nadine: for what is going on with the rest buzzard, you know if we smell a dead coyote of the body. or something beside the road. Oh, does that
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stink. A buzzard comes by and says hey, bone. There are fibers that come out of the guys, come on, we got a hot fudge sundae tooth and fibers that come out of the bone over here. and they intertwine to form a little hammock called the periodontal ligament. So when you take a tooth out, part of the ligament is So when you take a tooth attached to the tooth and part of it is still in the bone. And this is the richest supply of out, part of the ligament is bacteria. I mean there are plenty of bacteria attached to the tooth and in the tooth because it is got like an average of 75 auxiliary canals. part of it is still in the bone.
And this is the richest supply of bacteria.

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Hal Huggins: So, you know it is interpretation that counts. Well, the buzzard thinks that rotten tissue smells good. Some of these bacteria, strep and staph in particular, think that rotting tissue smells good. And rotting tissue is what you have got around every root-canalled tooth because it is dead. Now the Dental Association does not like it. They call it non-vital. So I looked up non-vital one So dentists are taught to bite on a gauze time and you know what the definition of sponge and try to get a blood clot to form. non-vital is? Well, that just enhances the blood supply for the bacteria to live on. So a dentist has to Nadine: Dead? take a burr, not scrape it out, but take a burr and cut out about a sixteenth of an inch of Hal Huggins: Dead. Yes. the bone if you are gonna get much of the Nadine: Yes. bacteria and necrotic bone out of there. Hal Huggins: But anyway, they are dead. And, you know you take the all right, you start out with the intravenous vitamin C to protect yourself from the bacteria and the toxins as the tooth is being removed. Okay, tooth comes out and there was bacteria within the tooth, and the further out toward the edge of the tooth you go, the richer the bacteria supply until you get to something called the periodontal ligament. And then the most recent finding is force that socket to bleed because we have found bacteria as far as two centimeters, which is almost an inch away from the infection area and it is gonna take a boatload of antibiotics to kill off those bacteria.
You may have a front tooth that has one canal that you can see on an x-ray, but there are 75 little auxiliary canals in there too. And as these become infected and you have got what is called necrotic tissue, which means it is dead tissue. There was no way you can get into those 75 canals and clean that out. You can use ozone, you can use laser and everything. Well, the dead tissue is still there. You kill off the bacteria, who is gonna carry off the corpses? So all this stuff is still there. But the periodontal ligament is the most concentrated.
But, you know this is kind of a silly way to put it, but I have never had anybody forget it yet. I tell them as soon as you get the tooth out and the ligament cut, grab the patient by the Now the periodontal ligament is an feet and hold them upside down and shake attachment between bone and tooth them for five minutes. Well, that sounds a because teeth are not attached directly to little silly, but nobody has ever forgotten the
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point. The point is make that socket bleed, And then later on you can get a bridge put in and in bleeding it flushes out the bone that or a permanent partial. surrounds that tooth. And this is a recent But you do not have to run around snagglefinding. tooth. You can look okay and you can chew And another recent finding is we give the IV okay if you have got a partial, and that is vitamin C during the procedure taking the protecting everything. And it is a whole lot tooth out. And we used to do it 48 hours better than putting in an implant because later, but I found if we do it 24 hours later, as my professor of immunology said, and I there are certain changes in chemistry that have quoted him probably over a thousand may take as long as four months to correct, times, anything implanted in bone will create it will be corrected in six days. an autoimmune disease. The only difference is the length of time. Nadine: Wow. That is awesome. There are autoimmune diseases, diabetes, Hal Huggins: Oh, what is going on here? which is tremendously on the increase, multiple sclerosis, Lou Gehrigs disease; all of Nadine: So, that is the [inaudible] these autoimmune diseases have in their own Hal Huggins: So the flushing is what is going territory, eventually some dental material. on. You gotta clean that area out and I am Nadine: Wow. Can I just clarify too? You were gonna bombard it with antibiotics. saying after the procedure, within 24 hours Nadine: Yes. is it the vitamin C drip that is I mean Hal Huggins: And the antibiotics, there are intravenous vitamin C that is repeated? a few that do a wonderful job and a whole lot of them that do a real miserable job on making people sicker. So this is something else they have to be educated in as to which antibiotic to use and for how long, and what dosage. Because the dosages are extremely low compared to what the pharmaceutical industry recommends. Nadine: And is it necessary to use an antibiotic? Hal Huggins: [Inaudible] all that complicated stuff. And now that you got the tooth out, dentists say oh, you gotta put in an implant. Why? Well, 5,000 good reasons, about 5,000 bucks to do an implant. But you can do what is been done for the last 100 years, and that is put in a it is called a treatment partial denture and it has maybe just the one tooth on it. But it gives you aesthetics, it gives you function. You can chew on it. And it protects that socket area while it is healing. Hal Huggins: Yes. That is correct. Nadine: Okay. And is it Hal Huggins: Oh, there are other things we do too to there are a bunch of minerals that we will use to increase the filled membrane function so that oxygen comes in and carbon dioxide and waste products come out easier. So there are a lot of things. But that is I was just hitting on the basics. Nadine: Cool. I think it is it sounds like maybe glutathione would come in handy at that phase as well. Hal Huggins: At the right dosage, which is rarely given. Here again, we have drawn blood tests to find out what is going on. It is a great detoxifier at the proper level. But most people are taking 250, 500, 1000 milligrams or more a day. And what works best it is taken a few disasters to find out what did the best, but about one milligram
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Nadine: Yes. The land of plenty. Hal Huggins: Yes. And if [inaudible] use more.
Nadine: That is right. With the periodontal ligaments because obviously they have been left behind with all these millions of wisdom teeth that have been removed, is that a cause Nadine: Right. for jaw cavitation? Are people gonna be like Hal Huggins: Because so many places are 67 years old and find that they have rotting giving 500 or 1,000 or more. Well, what is jawbone? the problem with that? The problem is that detoxification is easy. It is one of the biggest Hal Huggins: Yes. It is been there since they problems that we face. But in detoxification were 16 when they were taken out. And you are releasing mercury and other toxins the toxins, what we have found is and from tissues in the body. And you can make this keeps changing from month-to-month, that go twice as fast, four times as fast, but approximately you are going to find 54 ten times as fast, but one thing you cannot different pathological bacteria in root canals change is liver function and kidney function. and in cavitations you can find 80 or more. Nadine: Wow. Nadine: Right. Hal Huggins: So elimination of these toxins that are being released in the body is limited. But we will see people sometimes who are taking glutathione and alpha-ketoglutaric acid and a few other alphas and vitamin C and vitamin E and there are a whole lot of things that are recommended for detoxification. Well, here is an important concept, detoxification is retoxification. Nadine: Yes. Hal Huggins: Because as this stuff comes out of the body, if it cannot be eliminated it just moves around. So you take mercury out of the bone and stick it in the brain. What kind of improvement has that patient noted? Nadine: Just sort of stirring the pot and not letting it exit. Hal Huggins: Yes. Yes. I mean detoxification if it is done too fast, too much, too often, is extremely dangerous because it is another thing that will create new diseases. But, you know in the States in particular, if a little bit is good, what is a lot? Better. Hal Huggins: So the cavitation, the unhealed area, which is very close to 100% of the time in wisdom teeth, that is gonna be a new haven, a new home for the formation of brand new bacteria. It is gonna be giving you autoimmune diseases. Nadine: Wow. So what is the best protocol for checking? Or how does one remove like, so once the wisdom teeth are removed, or somebody [inaudible] Hal Huggins: Well, if you had a wisdom tooth removed, you have got a cavitation. Nadine: Okay. Hal Huggins: There was one dentist I know of who has cleaned out 5,000 cavitations and found one that had healed. One out of 5,000. Nadine: Wow. Hal Huggins: So, the chances of a cavitation being there if you had a wisdom tooth taken out are 100%. In the molars it is gonna be closer to 90% and if you look at the lower front teeth, you will have the lowest chance of cavitation and that would be about 25%. So somebody
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who has got full upper and lower dentures has Actually with mercury in the body it is an average of around 23 cavitations. very easy to convert mercury into another compound called methylmercury. And Nadine: Wow. methylmercury can travel through the blood Hal Huggins: [Inaudible] you know the brain barrier, the placental barrier; there antibiotics cannot get in, the white cells is no barrier to methylmercury. It goes any cannot get in, but the toxins can get out. So place. So it can do a lot of damage. Candida there a lot of the autoimmune diseases come demetholates the mercury. Well, mercury is still dangerous, but only one one-hundredth from the cavitations. as dangerous as it was to start with. So it Nadine: And that is kind of a new area, so does have an advantage at that point. that most if anybody sort of walked into their regular dentist and said yes, can you Then with a low protein diet and so on, you check and see if I have a jaw cavitation, they can start developing the fungus form and that likes to go into cancer. So it is not good would probably think they were insane. there, but in the demethylation department Hal Huggins: Right. Because you cannot see it does a great job. them on x-ray. What you are doing is taking a picture of air in bone. That is hard to see on Nadine: Sort of acts a protector [inaudible]. x-ray. Now, I can see them, but I have been Hal Huggins: Yes. doing them since 1986. So after ten or 20 years you get where you develop a good enough Nadine: Can you tell everybody listening a little imagination that you can see them. But for the bit about like just your daily care? I know you most part they are very difficult to see on x-ray are a big fan of the simple baking soda and salt and your standard dentist is gonna look at it for taking care of your brushing your teeth. and say I do not see anything there. And he Hal Huggins: Well, just get a little more picky does not because he is looking at air. about it Nadine: Right. And they do not even maybe Nadine: Okay. think that concept is real. Hal Huggins: because we found out a lot Hal Huggins: Uh-huh. in the last few months about how dangerous Nadine: So, can you also I find this aluminum is. And there were a whole bunch fascinating that with mercury I mean there of doctors at this meeting this last weekend, was the heavy metal issue, and then there and they were just absolutely flabbergast at was the toxins I mean there was the bacteria the things that aluminum does. Well, okay, if that mercury sort of instigates and how the you want to avoid aluminum you are gonna body that is Candida is a protective body use salt and soda. All right, you use your mechanism. Yes. conventional salt and it is got the picture of the little girl who is raining when it pours or Hal Huggins: Yes. That is kind of funny because whatever on the with the umbrella. you know if you listen to the advertising you would think Candida is real bad, you do not Nadine: Yes. want it. There are two forms of Candida. One form is your friend and the other can cause Hal Huggins: The reason the salt flows in cancer, so he is not your friend. But the fungal high humidity is because it has a very high amount of aluminum in it. Now there are form is the one that does the damage. places you can get aluminum-free salt. And
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there was aluminum in baking soda. But there are places you can get aluminum-free baking soda. I just bought 25 pounds of it about a year ago. Now, the salt that works best is pickling and canning salt because it has very, very minimal amount of anything in it besides sodium chloride.
You cannot get things in and out of the cell without using the electrons from sodium, potassium and chloride. So we are electrical beings. But the minerals that are in sea salt have no electrons, so they become what I call non-biological material. And the potassium in particular gives us all kinds of problems in sea salt in giving high blood pressure, and Nadine: And also one could use like the 99.9% a lot of things related to endocrine function sodium chloride probably too? where the hormones do not work right because of the wrong kind of potassium, Hal Huggins: Yes. potassium without an electron on it. It comes Nadine: That pure? Yes. Okay. from sea salt. Hal Huggins: Yes. I mean that from a pharmacist is gonna be about $35.00 a pound or you can get the other at the grocery store for $0.75 a pound, same stuff. But, you know we have a program that the Bing Program where we take four days to go over the detail of the chemistry with people. Okay, if they do everything that I tell them in that program but continue to eat sea salt, none of it is gonna work. It is that powerful a negative. Nadine: Wow. Hal Huggins: Advertised a great deal, so I have gotten to the point where I say if you have seen it advertised, do not eat it. Nadine: Yes. That is a good motto.
The reason the salt flows in high humidity is because it has a very high amount of aluminum in it. Now there are places you can get aluminumfree salt.
Nadine: Right. Okay. And I think a lot of the people that would be listening would definitely be using sea salt a lot, and if you can just explain how that has minerals in it, but it also has heavy metals in it.
Hal Huggins: Yes. So the sea salt is very much of a negative, and I do not care if it is Himalayan or who it is, it still has no electrons, but it is got a whole lot of toxic metals in it. And the ones that can be in a biological form Hal Huggins: Yes. It is a good source of lead, are not in a biological form. They lost their mercury and cadmium. Well, where does electrons ten million years ago. it come from? It comes from the bottom of the worlds biggest cesspool. And the Nadine: Wow. minerals all right, our bodies are electrical Hal Huggins: That is kind of scary, is it not? mechanisms. We pass electrons from one place to another and that is what makes Nadine: Uh-huh. Definitely. And I understand us live. Our nerve impulses are sodium and one of your protocols for helping healing potassium and calcium and a few other things bleeding gums, or just something even to do in there, magnesium, manganese they are a every morning is like a salt rinse? nerve impulse when they move along.
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Hal Huggins: Well, let us change a few words one, two and occasionally three millimeters. there. Even the big old nine millimeter had healed up. And he looked at her and said you get Nadine: Okay. out of my chair; you do not need surgery. Well, that is happened more than once. So Hal Huggins: Add the word aggressive. just using the well, there is one little hitch Nadine: Okay. in there. Hal Huggins: If you put a strong concentration of salt water in your mouth and really get with it, then now I have got somebody else who does not like me, the periodontist. Because once I start somebody on this, it costs the periodontist $4,000 to $6,000. So a $0.50 investment in salt can save you 6,000 bucks. Nadine: That is awesome. Hal Huggins: And we have done this here where we have done the bacterial studies and well, there was a gal who used to work for me. Came in and said they wanted to do several thousand dollars worth of gum surgery on her because she had these deep pockets. I am not sure whether they were talking about the pockets around her gums or her purse. But I had her use a mixture of salt and soda and she had about six or eight weeks, something on the order of two months before the surgery was scheduled. Nadine: Okay. Hal Huggins: And that is you have to have protein in the diet. So the vegetarian, it is not gonna work on. But if somebody is a carnivore, the healing will take place. And there was a big reason for that, but we do not have time to go into that. Nadine: Okay. [Inaudible]. Hal Huggins: But if they would use the salt and soda mixture aggressively for three or four days, all of a sudden the gums are not bleeding and they do not hurt. And you can feel the difference at 48 hours. And then you get to four, five, six days down the line and you got some health coming back. So it does not take much and it does not cost more than about $0.10, $0.20 to get those things under control.
Nadine: That is great for everybody to know. My last question to you is if you could have all Nadine: Yes. those tooth fairies in the world put a message Hal Huggins: And so she did this twice a day under childrens pillows rather than a dollar, and went in. And the pockets are where you what would you want future generations to go down between the tooth and the gums know? and you can slip down some places as far as nine millimeters, which is that is getting Hal Huggins: Well again, I missed one critical close to extraction of the tooth. You cannot word in the save it. Nadine: Okay. Nadine: Right. Hal Huggins: And a lot of them, four or five, which is what he was gonna cut off for several thousand bucks. And she went in for the appointment and he started measuring the pockets to see what kind of job he was gonna have to do and all the pockets were Hal Huggins: If I could [inaudible]? Nadine: Okay. I will start again? If you could have the tooth fairies you probably missed that the tooth fairies of the world, put a message instead of a dollar bill under childrens pillows, what would you want future generations to know?
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Hal Huggins: Can I get back to you on that?
You sleep them one of my favorite lines in the book, the only way you have no abnormal Nadine: You sure can. pressure on the body is if you are sleeping on Hal Huggins: That is a really good question. your back. And so one of my favorite lines in You know I have been interviewed well over the book is do not sleep the baby on the flat a thousand times and nobody has ever asked back, you will flatten the back of his head. a question like that before. I do not have an Turn him over and mash his face. instant replay for an answer on that. But Nadine: Right. dental decay is something that has to do with what you are eating. Not what is eating you. Hal Huggins: Turn him over and mash his face is what we have done. Now it is beginning Nadine: Yes. that book is getting around a little bit and Hal Huggins: So the diets that are high in the doctors are beginning to say oh, no, we sugar okay, if you want that, that is fine. better sleep the kids on their back. Because The price you are gonna pay is degeneration wherever you sleep you are going to prevent of the whole body including the teeth. So the bone from growing to its full genetic what you need to know is that health is your potential and that is gonna give you crooked responsibility and it is under your control. teeth. You find out how to do things right and you Nadine: Yes. do them, and you are gonna be in good shape the rest of your life. If you do not, if Hal Huggins: So, you know it is a cute book. you go with heavy advertising and so on, We probably it is a very practical book then you are gonna pay the price and the worth thousands of dollars to which you are price is going to be in the loss of health. So not gonna have to shell out. what you need to know is you are in control. The title of the book that we are just finishing Nadine: Yes. is Patient Empowerment. Hal Huggins: And that book will probably come out at some point in time on eBooks. Nadine: Nice. We have several books that are gonna come Hal Huggins: And Patient Empowerment out on eBook and that one yes, it is probably tells you what you need to know to avoid the worthwhile putting that out too because consequences that you may not want and to there was a lot of valuable information there. maintain the health that you may want. Nadine: I think it is. I was really I really Nadine: That is lovely. I am excited for that enjoyed reading that and I recommend it to book to come out. And I have an idea too, I a lot of people. And I really appreciate you could get the tooth fairies to leave Why Raise talking to us today, and really letting us know Ugly Kids under all the parents pillows. on a deep level how the teeth are alive and obviously a part of the body. Hal Huggins: Yes. That is a cute book. I wrote that a long time ago. And it does tell how to Hal Huggins: And we appreciate very much how to prevent orthodontics. Orthodontics, your helping to generate awareness. That is only 5% of it is genetic. 95% of it is under the the important thing. control of the parents and how you raise the child. You put them on margarine, they are Nadine: Thank you. gonna have crooked teeth. Hal Huggins: And you are doing that for me, Nadine. Thank you.
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Nadine: Thank you so much. We will put the eBooks we will let people know because they will be available then and we will get those up on the site as well because I am sure you will have that out by the time this is launched. So that is awesome.
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Patrick Timpone has been in radio since 1967, and he currently hosts the One Radio Network. Live radio that focuses on health, wealth and wellbeing.
on health, wealth and wellbeing. Patricks website and radio show can be found at www. Nadine: Our next guest is oneradionetwork.com, and it is a wealth of a happy soul with a happy information. An escrow of abundance on a mouth. Patrick Timpone wide range of health subjects. I personally you know what? Let me start wish I had days to listen to all of his dynamic again. I have to check how interviews. do I is that how I same your last name? Patrick has interviewed countless of experts
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including many dentists and he constantly experiments with his own diet and super Nadine: Oh, good, good. It was just when I foods. was reading it I was like oh, no, what if it is We are interviewing Patrick as part of our wrong? Okay. I am going to start again. summit on oral care because he is deeply Our next guest is a happy soul with a happy aware of the toxicity of modern dentistry mouth. Patrick Timpone has been in radio and he, himself has been through revisionist since 1967, and he currently hosts the One dentistry. He has gotten to the root of his root Radio Network. Live radio that focuses canals, he has had mercury fillings removed Patrick Timpone: Timpone, yes.
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and he has had his blood analyzed by Dr. Hal Patrick Timpone: Cavitat. Yes, I do not know if Huggins. It is so good to have you join us. you have seen those, but he invented it he said Thank you so much. and they can you can do this cavitat thing and they can tell you if you have any cavitations. Patrick Timpone: Hi, Nadine. It is nice to be And I did not even know what they were. But, here. you know me, I said sure; I will do that. Nadine: Hi. So he came over to the house, this fellow Patrick Timpone: Hi. Hi. Nadine: Thanks for participating. Your radio show is awesome, but it also in archives is a valuable resource of dental information, which is just I encourage everybody listening to go check out the dental archives. brought his machine and he just went oh, man, you are you know this is not good. You got all kinds of cavitations. And I was really kind of freaking out a bit because with cavitations I did not really understand that well, what they were, but so that is kind of how it all started. And I guess that was probably four years ago.
What got you so passionate about interviewing dentists and really studying and Nadine: Do want to explain, or I can explain, going into all about dentistry? but do you want to explain what cavitations Patrick Timpone: I was I think I got ODd are? on the fruit smoothies about four years ago. And I was listening a lot to David Wilkins. I just kind of just went aahh it is [inaudible] blueberries. I am doing all this fruit. And as I learned later everybody has a tolerance of how much fruit that they can eat from Dr. Huggins. And we can talk about and I went to the dentist, I do not know going for something oh, I think I had some kind of a little cosmetic thing I wanted to get done up front. And well this lady is really a good cosmetic dentist and also holistic and she said oh, you have ten cavities. Patrick Timpone: Sure. When we get a tooth pulled the doctors do several things incorrectly. One is they do not cut a ligament because they are not taught to cut this ligament. And if you do not cut a certain ligament an anaerobic kind of cavitation kind of hole forms often when you get a tooth pulled. And it is really it is kind of like a black hole. Nadine: In the jaw.
Patrick Timpone: In the jaw, that is right. Kind of in the jaw above where the tooth was pulled. And it is also caused by moving too Nadine: Wow. much or getting in the car after your tooth Patrick Timpone: I said what? Gosh. And is pulled in and out, not allowing it to clot they were just little bitty ones, but they properly. Which even today, most even were definitely little cavities just beginning the best holistic dentists do not do that. But to start up cavities. So, you know oh, man, Dr. Huggins calls it the three-mile rule. You what am I doing? So that was really the start cannot drive over three miles. of saying disconnection. And then about a month later serendipitously, you know how things are no accident, I got a call from a When we get a tooth pulled dentist in Wimberley, and he said that there the doctors do several things is a fellow in town that has a cavitat machine. Nadine: Uh-huh.
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Nadine: That is right. For like an hour so that that, they were not done properly. the Nadine: Yes. And it is standard practice to Patrick Timpone: Oh, I think longer. leave the periodontal ligament in. Nadine: Okay. Patrick Timpone: I mean I would not mess with it until when I had my revision with Dr. Nunnally, he actually had me sleep with lots of pillows so I was not lying down because that can cause the blood clot not to work either. Pretty tricky. Nadine: Yes. Wow. Patrick Timpone: So, it turns out that that cavitat reading was not right and I did not have to have all my teeth pulled out and everything. Nadine: Oh, that is good. Patrick Timpone: That is good, yes. I have been trying to cut down on that. Nadine: And I understand well, I remember Hal Huggins saying that, that is not necessarily the most accurate way to check for jaw cavitations, but the way in is to do a slight incision where there has been an extraction. And then they slip an instrument in and if the bone is mushy, then they know that there is necrotic cavitation there. Patrick Timpone: Yes. And I think a good dentist can also look at x-rays Nadine: Oh, yes. Patrick Timpone: Right. It is kind of new. Nadine: So it is kind of a yes, it is like new information and a lot of dentists, standard dentists do not even know about jaw cavitations Patrick Timpone: No. No. Nadine: from what I understand. Patrick Timpone: And they are [inaudible], I mean they are the same principle as the root canals with the amount of toxins and bugs and stuff, and it is really bad. Nadine: Yes. It is one of those issues that I think we are going to realize because a lot of people have had their wisdom teeth removed. Patrick Timpone: Right. Nadine: Because of our dietary changes our jaws are smaller and we are not able to hold as many teeth is one of the root causes I think. Patrick Timpone: I believe so. Yes. That is of course what the Weston Price people say, and other people say and Dr. Huggins and it feels right. Nadine: Yes.
Patrick Timpone: And David Wilkins talked Patrick Timpone: and tell you a lot about about that over the years. [Inaudible] remember when he talks about the, you cavitations. The good ones know you just cannot hold the teeth. Nadine: Yes. Nadine: Yes. Yes, and our arches are getting Patrick Timpone: the people that are skilled narrower. So back to your smoothie days, at it. But most often, yes, they can just, where your fruit smoothie days, were you ever able they really suspect it through x-rays, yes, they to heal those cavities, or where did you go can go in there and figure out pretty quick. from there and did you understand the cause But most people have them because I mean, of those cavities? who did it right? In most [inaudible] and all
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Patrick Timpone: Well, yes. They all healed Nadine: That is good. up. Patrick Timpone: That is my understanding, Nadine: Great. yes. Then of course if the diet is not right, Dr. Huggins with the Melvin Pages work in the Patrick Timpone: They all healed up. Well, I chemistries, he can really look at the different just suspect looking back, I just think it was sodium ratios and all that as my doctor just too much fruit just too much fruit. I does, Dr. Nunnally, and they can really tell have always been kind of challenged to keep if the whole endocrine system, right, and is blood sugar balance and I can only eat just going is working so you do not get cavities. a little bit of fruit a few times a week to keep Because cavities all happen from the inside my fasting blood sugar where I like to keep it out, not the other way. in the morning, like 85 or so. Nadine: Yes. Yes, and actually I was reading Nadine: Yes. It is good to have it under 90. an interesting thing recently for Dr. Ralph Well, I know you have had Ramiel Nagel on a Steinmans work, who really understood this few times and endocrine system thing. But he thought for Patrick Timpone: Yes. A few times. Yes, he is sure there has got to be a systemic cause. And in the book on his work, they wrote cool. Yes. about in the 1940s there was a meeting with Nadine: and I will be interviewing him as the National Association of Dental Research well. and they decided in the 40s that it was going to be the official theory of decay was going Patrick Timpone: Oh, cool. to be the acidogenic theory. Nadine: But it is great that his book brings together the work of Dr. Weston Price and So that puts the blame on the external factors, so how you were saying. But cavities Dr. Melvin Page really do come from the inside out. And that Patrick Timpone: Yes. is a huge shift in our perception because we just were not raised that way and we did not Nadine: because I think there are a lot visit the dentist with, you know with that of correlations there. And of course Dr. philosophy behind it all. Huggins, who studied Dr. Melvin Page and has continued a lot of that work and even Patrick Timpone: Right. Right. Yes. Yes, so expanded upon it. And what they suggest is now we know we are what we eat, and we having the blood sugar below 90 and if there are what we ate. That is a homespun story. are spikes in blood sugar level, continual spikes in blood sugar, that is one of the causes Nadine: Yes. So what I heard you tell a very of cavities because then that throws off the interesting story once about your root canal, endocrine system, which is nourishing the I think it is the first one where your eyesight teeth with the hormones that are supposed was affected? to keep a dentinal lymph system in flow. And Patrick Timpone: Yes. About ten years that also spikes in blood sugar can leach ago before I really understood [inaudible] minerals from the bones as well. well, let me go back. In the 80s I went to a Patrick Timpone: Yes, you know your stuff, dentist, I was very blessed to have a dentist that was a student of Dr. Huggins. And his Baby. name escapes me now, I am sorry, but he is
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no longer with us. A really, really cool guy she said here, go see this fellow. Here is who and he was killed in a motorcycle accident in you need to see. This is dangerous. Mexico some years later. It may come to me. But anyway, so I was lucky enough fortunate enough to get my mercury taken out in the early 80s by this dentist, and he did it properly. He really knew his stuff because Dr. Huggins taught him how to do it. I am sure it has evolved a lot in 30 years, right? Nadine: Right. Yes. Patrick Timpone: But with the quadrants and all of that. So I got all of those out of there, but other than that I really did not I had no idea about the hazards of a root canal. And I had a root canal that was going bad, well maybe 12 ten years ago, and I just said oh well. I did not realize how bad it was to have that thing and then have it be going bad is even double bad, right?
And so he examined me and he immediately put me on a vitamin C IV immediately, and said oh, I think I can save your eye.
Nadine: Wow. Patrick Timpone: And his name was Dr. Bob Hoffman and he was an ophthalmologist, you know M.D., he was a real, you know a way step up from an optometrist. Nadine: Right.
Patrick Timpone: Even though some optometrists are really, really good. But this Nadine: Yes. fellow and this was like he was a wild guy. Patrick Timpone: Not good. So I just did it I mean he was always in trouble with the FBI and said well, it will just heal up. Well, that and so you know he was doing good stuff, was not too smart. So I was driving one day right? and all of a sudden my right eye just went Nadine: Yes. blurry, just like that. Patrick Timpone: I mean I just went right Nadine: Wow. to his office and he took me right in and it Patrick Timpone: Blurry. To this day it is that was so cool. And so he examined me and he immediately put me on a vitamin C IV same blurriness as it was ten years ago. immediately, and said oh, I think I can save Nadine: Wow. your eye. Patrick Timpone: I mean I can see, but it is like 20-60 maybe. And so I am driving so I just I ducked into the first optometrist that I saw on the street and I she examined me, really nice lady, and she said well, here and I could not believe this is so cool, how God is, right? Just so cool. Nadine: Yes. Nadine: Wow. Patrick Timpone: I go what? What, are you kidding me? And so he told me all about it and he said we are going to do an IV every day. And so he saved the eye. Nadine: Oh, what great luck.
Patrick Timpone: Yes. Well, if you believe in Patrick Timpone: It is so amazing, like you luck. I mean know here I am driving and she is the first Nadine: Yes. Yes. Well, you know what I one I come to and she hands me a card. And mean?
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Patrick Timpone: Yes. Yes. Yes. Right. Right. Nadine: Providence. Yes.
is still not it is terrible, but at the time I did not know.
Nadine: Yes. Patrick Timpone: Providence. And he showed me, and that is the first time I have ever seen Patrick Timpone: Right? the eye chart he showed me that the tooth that was bad directly tied in with the right eye. Nadine: Yes. I mean it is hard to know these things. Nadine: Wow. What tooth was that? Patrick Timpone: So what it was is a central Patrick Timpone: I did know it is somewhere venial occlusion. So it is actually a little small up in the front right hand quadrant, I believe. blood clot in the vein back there and that is It has been so long. Maybe I think it is on what caused the blurriness. the right side, but you can look on the eye Nadine: That is very interesting. chart and find the one. Patrick Timpone: Well it burst and then there Nadine: Sure. Yes. is blood, and to this day there is kind of a Patrick Timpone: So that was interesting, so blood kind of on the retina there and that is you do not want to mess around with root what is causing the blurriness. But I suspect canals because I guess the body does some that some day we will be able to get that off kind of clotting thing. That was what he said of there. We will come up we will come up too, to protect against an infection. with a way how to just get in there and take it off or something. Nadine: Oh, yes. That makes sense. And then did you have the root canal removed after Nadine: Yes. I am sure. that? Patrick Timpone: Yes, some space age thing. Patrick Timpone: Oh, yes. Nadine: Yes. And then what brought you Nadine: Yes. to then I heard your interview with your revisionist dentist, Dr. Stuart Nunnally. And Patrick Timpone: No, actually I did not. I do tell us how that came about. not think I knew enough about it. I think I just went in and they redid it at that point. Patrick Timpone: Yes, he is real he is just a prince. I think he is one of the best in the Nadine: Okay. Yes. country. As a matter of fact, Dr. Huggins goes down or used to once a year and people Patrick Timpone: And then later I had it come in from all over the world. He would do Nadine: Which probably cleaned it up a little a whole program with them. I do not know bit if they still do that. But Dr. Nunnally lovely man, and he at one time was almost was in Patrick Timpone: Yes. a wheelchair Nadine: but it still did not really take care of Nadine: Wow. the issue. Patrick Timpone: Yes. They go in there and Patrick Timpone: because they said he had they can they will redo it and rescrape it Lou Gehrigs but he had mercury poisoning. and put some more filler in there and just it And so he found Dr. Huggins, so the rest is you can imagine what has gone on since then.
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Nadine: Yes. Patrick Timpone: But he is like a triathlete. He is strong as a bull now. He is just really, really healthy and he is also a naturopath, and he is my dentist and he is in Marble Falls. And people come in Marble Falls, Texas people come in from all around the world still to see him. Because he is all set up to do revisions with ozone and vitamin C IVs, and they do massages and they drive you to and from the place. And he has got a lab there and he knows his stuff.
going on and he said my cavitations were pretty rough. Nadine: Oh, wow. Patrick Timpone: So, I guess when you clean all that out, then the immune system gets to step up and do all kinds of things it was not doing Nadine: Right.
Patrick Timpone: and that can be really, really, really tough. I mean it was not every day, but I had some days that, you know all I Nadine: Oh, that is awesome. It sounds like could do was take a nap after I do the show. you are in excellent hands with him. Nadine: Right. Patrick Timpone: Yes. Yes. He is the real deal. So, yes and so I just found my way to him. Patrick Timpone: I was glad I did it though. I heard about him and then I just got it all Nadine: Yes. Because it only, you know years taken care of. So I did the revision, I guess later would have been something else. Now it was I do not know, I guess it has been did you for the setup for that, do you just three and a half years now and I had four or make an appointment and then they go in five cavitations, a root canal, had some metal and see? Or did he know that you had like taken out from a crown, and I think that is that many cavitations beforehand? about it. But I had it all done in one day, which Patrick Timpone: Oh, no. You go in and he is really fun. That is the way to go. will take a look at the whole deal. Nadine: Yes. Nadine: Right. Patrick Timpone: Just go in and Patrick Timpone: Do some x-rays and talk Nadine: Just get it done. about it and get a whole plan for you. And he Patrick Timpone: Yes. And they give you the will say this is what I want to do and I am not conscious sedation and you do not even sure about a couple areas, but I will look, that you know you just you wake up and it is kind of thing. He lays it all out for you, you know. And then you get all set up because over. it is I do not know I think it was four or five Nadine: Yes. And you have got a clean bill of hours. health after that. Like I imagine it takes some time to heal the gums and I mean a little bit, Nadine: Wow. Wow. And can you explain the you know they are possibly inflamed after difference between conscious sedation and what is normally available at the dentists that work? office? Patrick Timpone: Well, he does the vitamin IV he does the vitamin C IVs the day of and Patrick Timpone: Yes. Conscious sedation then also the day after. But I have to tell you, is it is really interesting. You can actually I felt really, really rotten for about six months. you are awake, but you are not. I mean if you So there was a great deal of detoxification have to go pee, you can just say oh, I have to
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go pee, and they will just walk you to there Nadine: Yes. and you go pee. It is strange. But you do not Patrick Timpone: Who Dr. Huggins really remember anything. likes. And Christopher Shade is a real mercury Nadine: Wow. And it is a less toxic option? monster, but I think Dr. Huggins is probably the all-time number one mercury monster on Patrick Timpone: Oh, yes. Yes. the planet. I mean he he just, you know he Nadine: And necessary because of the work does not want to he does not eat fish and he does not like solar-dried sea salt because that is being done? of the mercury. So he is pretty hardcore Patrick Timpone: Yes. You would not want to because he knows how detrimental mercury sit there for four or five hours. is. Nadine: Okay. Patrick Timpone: But I guess you could. I mean I do not know with cavitations and all that stuff, I do not know, I would take I took my chances with the conscious sedation. Nadine: Right.
Patrick Timpone: But I have to say, I never really followed through like I should. I just intuitively felt like and I just switch off and on. Sometimes I will do Mortons and Nadine: Yes. That would be pretty intense. sometimes I will do that sea salt from Dr. Another interesting interview that you have Marshall, you know on your site is with Hal Huggins. And you did Nadine: Oh, yes. some you looked at your blood work and you had great discussions about sea salt and Patrick Timpone: he tests his stuff and it is clean. I feel okay with it and I like the minerals. cholesterol. So do not tell Dr. Huggins any of that. Patrick Timpone: Right. Nadine: I will not tell him. I have already Nadine: Can you tell us about that experience? interviewed him anyway, so I will not Patrick Timpone: Well, Dr. Huggins, he likes Patrick Timpone: Okay. Mortons pickling and canning salt. If you can Nadine: Well, we also I like the Miracle salt believe that. and then we also sometimes get that 99.9% Nadine: Yes, I know. purified salt. Like just what they would use Patrick Timpone: He says the safest salt to because it has been purified so they will use it use because it is just what is it? Just sodium for science and that kind of stuff. I feel better chloride. He does not like the mercury that is getting that even though it is more expensive around in sea salt and so that is his story. We because I would not want to buy anything recently talked to Christopher Shade. Do you from Mortons. know him? Chris Shade. Patrick Timpone: Right. Yes, I have never heard of that. So that is a genre of the Mortons, but it is probably a cleaner product? Nadine: Yes. Patrick Timpone: 99%?
I like the Miracle salt and then we also sometimes get that 99.9% purified salt.
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Nadine: I am sure it has been purified. Yes, it is called 99.9% sodium chloride. And it is something that you might be able to get at a drugstore, but you might not. But you can get it online and it is just, you know it is sold by the pound. I do not think it is that expensive it is like $9.00 a pound Patrick Timpone: Oh, yes. Nadine: which seems okay to me. Yes, so and that is true with Dr. Marshall, they do a lot of testing.
at Whole Foods for about six, seven bucks. Really inexpensive. And you can just mix them in water and rinse your mouth out with that. That is kind of nice to do that and it really, really will just really kill a lot of guys running around the mouth, you know. Nadine: Yes. Patrick Timpone: It is nice pre-kissing. Nadine: That is cool. Patrick Timpone: A pre-kissing modality. Sodium ascorbate.
Patrick Timpone: Yes. And I feel real good about his sea salt. But that is interesting; the Nadine: Well, you definitely want to have a next time I talk to Dr. Huggins I will ask him kissable mouth. about that. Patrick Timpone: Yes. Yes. Nadine: Yes. But it is do you do like the salt rinses because I think that is a great thing to Nadine: Yes, like so much can be done with salt and baking soda. It is amazing. do every day.
Patrick Timpone: Oh, yes. I do. I do. I also use Patrick Timpone: Dr. Nunnally told me that sodium ascorbate. Did Dr. Huggins tell you the old timers, as he calls them, they have some of the best teeth ever and that is what about that? they use, is a sea salt, like this would be a Nadine: He did not on the interview, so yes, I good one the sodium chloride. I like Eden have heard of it before but tell us has a really nice, fine, almost powdered solarPatrick Timpone: No, this is cool. He has some dried sea salt. Real soft. Real soft. And I like really interesting stories about people with to use that with some baking soda to brush gum issues that had just rinsed with sodium my teeth with it. ascorbate, which is a form of vitamin C. And I like to I do it with the what is that little appliance where you squirt it in there? It is kind of like a water pick, but it is not a water it is something like similar to a water pick. Nadine: Oh, yes. Well, we have yes, we use these little syringes, they are like a blunt syringe. Patrick Timpone: Yes. Nadine: And also explain it is different than ascorbic acid, what you are talking about. Patrick Timpone: Oh, yes. It is sodium ascorbate. Sodium ascorbate. I get some Nadine: Oh, that is fun. You know I learned a new trick from it is a periodontal surgeon, he is no longer with us, Dr. Keyes, and he was helping people have non-surgical gum repair. And he suggested that you coat your teeth with baking soda, kind of brush it all around and then you add half a teaspoon of apple cider vinegar. And you create, you know what you might have done in grade school, this volcano in your mouth. And when I first read that I was like wow. But I tried it and it is so awesome. I have never experienced cleaner teeth so I use Patrick Timpone: Really?
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Nadine: Yes, I use a frankincense paste that we have, I put that in and I am just like wow. And anybody that does it, they just email, you know or they will call afterwards and they will be like oh, my God, it is so great. So you might want to experiment with that because I know you have a fun renegade experimental nature.
Patrick Timpone: That is so cool. So how much of apple cider vinegar and how long do you keep the apple cider vinegar in there. Nadine: You do a teaspoon and then you just keep it in there until it fizzles out. Patrick Timpone: I see.
Nadine: And then you spit. And then I try, while it is foaming while I am foaming at the mouth and then I will still try and get Patrick Timpone: Yes. Yes. the toothbrush in there and also brush while Nadine: So try that one. And with Leif, our it is foaming for extra yes. five-year-old son, it is always fun trying to Patrick Timpone: I get my teeth cleaned a get kids to brush their teeth, you know. It is couple times of year at Dr. Nunnallys and just like a fun experience. But he loves doing they use baking soda and it is really messy, that. He finds it so fun. So he but boy, it works. Nadine: Yes. It works. It does not have to get more complicated than that. Patrick Timpone: It really works. By the way Dr. Nunnally, he is about to come back on the show because he is publishing a paper, Orthomolecular Journal, which is going to come out any time now so he has been trying to get this in for, oh gosh, almost a year and they are very picky. And they keep writing back and saying well, what about this and things. So they really check these [inaudible] journals. But it is all about all the different bugs and toxins in root canals that he has been researching, and boy, it is amazing. There is a lot of yuck stuff in there. Whew, man. Nadine: Wow. Patrick Timpone: All kinds of things like he has found stuff like all these old-time, what do they call microplasmas and things like syphilis and find all kinds of things. Yes, because I think we have all these things in the genes, you know.
Patrick Timpone: What do you do again? So you just pack your whole teeth and gums with baking soda? Nadine: Yes. Like all around. You kind of brush and then I kind of spit out one level and then I get it all around again, like in, as much as you can get, every crack and crevice because wherever it goes that is where it will activate with the apple cider vinegar. And the apple cider vinegar, you would never want to normally use on its own because it is an acid and that will feel not so great on the enamel. But baking soda is about a nine on the alkalinity scale, so when you combine them the sum is still in the alkaline. And it lifts so much plaque off your teeth and it really is good for, you know that area, the sulcus, where the teeth and the gums join, which is where a lot of people have issues. And it is just very healing for the mouth. And I kind of brush normally and floss and then I do it and every time I am just like blown away by how clean my teeth are like for hours afterwards. I will wake up in the middle of the night and I will be like my teeth are still clean.
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Nadine: Yes. That is amazing. And Hal side, or maybe 99% of the time it is on the Huggins was mentioning I wonder if they same side? are probably in cahoots or something, but he was saying they find 25% of the time, leprosy. Patrick Timpone: Yes. Patrick Timpone: Yes. Yes. It is a leprosy. Yes. Nadine: Yes. Yes. So we must get these from grandpa, you know or great-grandpa who had a good time somewhere, you know. Patrick Timpone: Yes, that thermal imaging is pretty cool stuff. Pretty cool, you know where they can see these little things ten years before they pop, which is crazy. But I Nadine: Yes. do not know I like Dr. Dowling and I think Patrick Timpone: Who knows? Who knows? he is cool. I do not know if I would ever this is just a sidelight ever go in there and blast Nadine: Yes, that is incredible. Well, I am something if I were with a lady and you excited for that interview for sure. Yes, and know even a very small thing. I would rather what is the most of all the interviews you leave things alone, let the body just clear it. have done on oral care, what is the most jaw- But that is just me. dropping thing? Maybe this is it, maybe what you just said, but what have you learned Nadine: Yes, for sure. For sure. from these renegade dentists that just blew Patrick Timpone: Do you feel the same way? your mind? Patrick Timpone: You know I think that is it, Nadine: Yes. Yes. I think there are other ways just how devastating these root canals are. to deal with tumors and that kind of thing. And of course we have talked with folks I am sure you have explored that on your who have made a root canal breast cancer shows too. connection Nadine: Right. Patrick Timpone: like that fellow in Ecuador, what is his name? Robert Dowling? Nadine: Bob Dowling, I think? Patrick Timpone: Yes. Yes. And tumors are not what we think they are, right? I mean they are doing their job. Nadine: Exactly. Yes.
Patrick Timpone: So then you know we have the metals and that is a whole thing, and Patrick Timpone: Dowling Robert Dowling, mercury of course the metals in the mouth. yes. And that is a given, I mean he just does So many of the ostensible porcelain crowns not find breast cancer without root canals are not they are not pure porcelain and connected. that is a real challenge because even, quote, unquote, holistic dentists, they do not know. I Nadine: Yes, that is amazing. And so many mean they do not check. They really need to women have breast cancer and so many check to make sure you are not getting any women have root canals. metal in a crown. Patrick Timpone: Yes. Nadine: Yes. Yes. Basically I think we should Nadine: And is it not often when they are have to prevent the cavities in the first place. doing thermal imaging and they are finding Patrick Timpone: Yes. Yes. it is usually the breast that is on the same
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So many of the ostensible porcelain crowns are not they are not pure porcelain and that is a real challenge because even, quote, unquote, holistic dentists, they do not know.
Patrick Timpone: Yes. Nadine: And it is kind of fun, you know. Because that is what I figured when I was 18, I was just like well, I am going to be with my body for the rest of my life, so it should be an important project to get this living thing right and house this body.
Patrick Timpone: Yes. Another thing too that we are looking into is mouth breathing, which Nadine: It gets a bit sticky once you have to is a big thing that most people do. And it is, go and get the work done. especially at night is very detrimental for the teeth because it dries out the saliva and that Patrick Timpone: Yes. But of course we is what keeps everybody happy. usually do stuff like that, but I mean I am stable now so I know enough about diet now Nadine: Yes. to not get any cavities. But when I was you know five years ago I just really even with Patrick Timpone: But we can retrain with being involved with health for 30 years, I did the brain, just retrain ourselves to breathe not really make the connections because through the nose like people might want to these were going on well, I just did not check into Buteyko breathing, have you ever make the connection. And I am not eating heard of that? the right foods even though I thought they Nadine: No. That sounds awesome. were good foods, right? Patrick Timpone: Yes, and you can actually Nadine: Yes. I think it is just a psychological karmic kind Patrick Timpone: Either too much fruit or too of spiritual thing where we get scared or we many you know at one point I ate a lot of buy into fear or something, we will just start breathing through the mouth rather than brown rice, and that is sugar. breaking through the nose deeply. And it is Nadine: Yes. called B-u-t-e-y-k-o, and you can actually learn this whole nose-breathing thing and Patrick Timpone: You know so we are just you can practice it during the day and then, now really trying to figure out this whole you know just start doing it at night. But most what Dr. Huggins calls ancestral diet to find people a lot of people breathe through the the kind of foods that are just right for Nadine mouth at night and do not even know it. and Patrick and our listeners. And it is just so different for everybody. I mean it is just a Nadine: Wow. Yes, that it is really handy for trip, is it not? people to know. Like snoring and everything. And again, Weston Price does talk about Nadine: Yes. It is. And I really appreciate that that because the shape of our jaws and our you shared your experiences with us, and skulls are changing too, which is leading to also that you do experiment because I feel more mouth breathing or post-nasal drip and like we are similar in that way. You know we all those kind of issues. And on and on. are always like on the leading edge of taking health seriously and trying things on our own Patrick Timpone: I do not know what I did. I bodies first before we recommend them. did not sign up for all this, did you? It must have been the fine print. I did not see that.
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Yes, boy, it is really something. And they just keep giving mercury fillings and root canals and cavitations and it is very challenging, so I think that is probably the number one thing for folks, to do massive amounts of research before you spend a lot of money and time with the dentist and make sure they truly know what they are doing.
Nadine: And again, for everyone that is listening, Patrick can be found at www. oneradionetwork.com, and there are over a thousand podcasts with tons of amazing leading edge information there and including a great archive on dental health. So thank you so much for your contribution to our learning and to our health.
Nadine: Yes, for sure. Well said. Well thank Patrick Timpone: My pleasure. Take care. you so much for your time. Nadine: Take care. Bye-bye. Patrick Timpone: My pleasure.
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Ramiel Nagel is a dental health educator who imparts a treasure trove of wisdom, who teaches people how to heal and prevent cavities with the foods that they eat every day.
dental health educator who imparts a treasure trove of wisdom, who teaches people how to Nadine: Our special guest heal and prevent cavities with the foods that today is a father who became they eat every day. passionate about teeth Ramiels tooth decay research has been because his daughter was featured in many media outlets including experiencing early childhood Nexus Magazine, Fox Business News and he cavities. Ramiel Nagel wanted to understand also has two very informative websites with the causes of her cavities and the possibility an extensive Q&A section. His websites are of healing these cavities rather than subject curetoothdecay.com and healingourchildren. his one-year-old daughter to the dentist chair org. and get fillings, which would have paved over the issue rather than getting to the cause of His work is done in the spirit of service to all, and really his books title says it all, Cure the cavities. Tooth Decay with nutrition. So welcome so This lead Mr. Nagel to run the groundbreaking much to the call and I really appreciate your book, Cure Tooth Decay: Heal and Prevent participation. Cavities with Nutrition. Ramiel Nagel is a
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Ramiel Nagel: Yes. Thank you for inviting me. was a little white spot on one of her teeth. I did not even know much about cavities and Nadine: Yes. So I think we are going to have I was like okay, this is a cavity. And then the a great discussion today. And of course white spot turned to a brown spot and we what I love about your book is that it takes had our friend, who is a dentist, take a look people deeply into the understanding that at it. Yes, that was a little cavity. They call it decay and oral degeneration is not about the baby bottle tooth decay, but she was never acids and sugars sitting on the teeth, but the given a bottle; she was breastfed. And we decay is systemic and decay happens from thought we were eating healthy, we gave her the inside out. And it is about the interplay of organic foods and no processed sugar. minerals, hormones and the immune system interacting systemically with the teeth. So it seemed like she was getting a healthy diet. So it did not make sense that her teeth So, can you tell us more about your journey were decaying. And of course we contacted and your familys journey into triumphantly dentists and you get advice like do not healing tooth decay? breastfeed. And when you ask them what Ramiel Nagel: Absolutely. Before I start I want kind of treatments they have, none of them to let your listeners know that with everything sounded really good. I mean a one-year-old that I present I do my best to share things or a one-and-a-half year old is pretty new that I feel are accurate and helpful. And a part to the world and you do not want to have of that process has been letting go of what them do medical procedures unless there is my mind thinks is accurate, a good reason. or even what other people And every day this tooth got worse and worse say is accurate. Because I and me and my partner were just starring at found out it is important to the tooth and feeling horrible every single be open-minded and kind of day not knowing why this was happening. be okay with not knowing. Because sometimes we think So, I sought to find the real answers and things should be one way, eventually found the work of Weston Price but that is what is causing and through a lot of trial and error and hard our imbalance. lessons later, the cavities first slowed down and then they stopped and I noticed a change And as I wrote my book, I did so in trying in her mood. And now that was she is now to help people, trying to be in the spirit of eight, and she has eight adult teeth in and service and I really want to invite that spirit they are all free of cavities. in. And I hope that anyone listening will really be benefited by our time together and also Nadine: Awesome. by your entire dental wellness summit. Ramiel Nagel: And all her teeth I cannot Nadine: Thank you. remember how old she was when they stopped decaying, but her teeth have not Ramiel Nagel: So, the question was how I got gotten worse in a very long time the ones started? that do have cavities. Nadine: Yes, how you got started and how it Nadine: Right. all turned out. Ramiel Nagel: Or did have cavities. Ramiel Nagel: Well, my daughter first there
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Nadine: That is wonderful. And then I am sure the experience with your I understand you have a second child and they probably had a different experience because of your knowledge.
Ramiel Nagel: Yes. And I found that I do not know how much the blood sugar is really the point. What happens is now I recommend that people eat grains within how indigenous cultures ate the grains before. So my understanding I have not studied all the Ramiel Nagel: They mostly had a different cultures, but there is standard food combining experience, although we had a very hard such as rice is eaten with green vegetables, lesson about grains. We fed our second child lots of vegetables and with protein. And the because we were so concerned about the green vegetables have vitamin C and the first child we just fed her raw animal fat and vitamin C protects us from damages from protein. That was her diet. We would give her grains. And bread products are usually eaten raw tuna and butter and liver and everything with raw dairy like cheese and bread. It is not was good. And then for a couple weeks we just you are eating a bread. made homemade whole oatmeal pancakes Nadine: Right. Yes, that is what I remember Nadine: Yes. from Dr. Weston Prices book as well. With Ramiel Nagel: and then, boom you could the Swiss cultures too, there was like gobs of see her teeth started getting little decay butter and cheese raw cheese on the bread. spots from oatmeal. Ramiel Nagel: Yes. That is what he said Nadine: Amazing. Ramiel Nagel: And so that lead me to do research on grains quite extensively. I wrote a large article about it. It is in my updated book because many people are making very significant mistakes I think with their use of grains. And it does not affect everyone too much, but it affects children frequently and a lot of people also have problems with grains. That is why the Paleo world and the gap side and all these things are growing very rapidly because people just give up grains because they do not know what to eat Nadine: Right. Ramiel Nagel: how to eat the grains healthy so they give them up and then they go oh, now I am healthy. although I do not think he said gobs of butter. And this is so important because what happens is people read Weston Price and people look at other things and we make assumptions and I made assumptions. Weston Price said this, Weston Price said that, and then when those assumptions are checked usually some are not true. So Weston Prices analysis showed they had maybe one or two tablespoons of butter per day.
Nadine: Oh, great. Yes, and what sometimes people may not realize is that and we will talk about blood sugar and stuff in a minute. But the grains of course, there is the phytic But it was butter that was so amazing we acid issue and then there is the fact that cannot buy butter like they had because we they are like a sugar in the body and they do do not even have cows that are the breed of increase insulin levels.
Not just tooth decay, but heart disease and cancer and tuberculosis and arthritis and so many different diseases were connected to the foods of modern culture and industrialized foods.
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cow they had, and we do not milk them the way that they milked them. So there are a lot of things that went into this amazing butter where a little bit went a long way. Nadine: True. True. And that is why I love Dr. Weston Prices book and the work of Dr. Melvin Page. What I love about your book is that you have thoroughly gone into these books and you have actually brought their work together because I do not know if they knew each other at the time. But you have brought their work together and then you brought it forward to todays culture and you put it into really practical terms. And actually not only did you read Dr. Weston Prices book, but you looked at all I think a lot of his research that is not available in a book. And I think when people just read that book maybe they are not sure what to do on a daily level, and what your book does it really breaks down what people can do on a day-to-day basis.
discovery that people are sick because of what they are eating. Not just tooth decay, but heart disease and cancer and tuberculosis and arthritis and so many different diseases were connected to the foods of modern culture and industrialized foods. So it is hard to find the program that he recommends, and then it is hard to translate that into what does it look like today and how much of it do you need to follow. He just has a few short paragraphs. And reading his extra work did help me get more clear, and I actually found a bunch more of his extra work and I am still learning every day. Nadine: Yes.
Ramiel Nagel: So there were a couple of dentists at the time at the time of Weston Price, who were experimenting with nutrition. And they had this theory that we are missing vitamins in our diet. And they found those vitamins were in cod liver oil. And we know So maybe you can tell us about the key that cod liver oil is high in vitamins A and D, elements of their work and what you feel are and the vitamins in grass-fed butter. And that the prime keys for preventing and healing vitamin, Dr. Price he called it Activator X. And sort of new research I do not like being decay. too specific on what a vitamin is. For example Ramiel Nagel: Thank you, you are very clear there are supposedly several hundred forms and accurate of vitamin D. There are potentially several thousand vitamins in the fat of milk Nadine: Okay. Nadine: Wow. Ramiel Nagel: with what you are saying. So, yes, Weston Prices book, Nutrition and Ramiel Nagel: so just to take one little thing Physical Degeneration, is an amazing book and say oh, this vitamin is important and and the pictures just looking at the pictures nothing else is, is too specific or a mistake are well worth it of modern science that breaks the life apart into too many little pieces and does not see Nadine: Yes. Amazing. the whole picture. Ramiel Nagel: But the tricky part is, it is like Nadine: Yes. Reductionists. Yes. you know when he talks about healing he got so motivated to this idea of what our modern Ramiel Nagel: So Activator X is either related diet was doing to us and our bodies, that sort to and includes vitamin K2, vitamin E and of the practical details of what to do got a co-enzyme Q10. So he went Weston Price little bit lost in him just sharing this amazing traveled across the world and specifically
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found places where indigenous cultures were exposed to modern cultures. So in the Swiss Alps, there was an isolated village that you used to have to walk up this trail or something. No cars could go to it. And then they just opened a road to this town and so the town could get food imported.
is missing fat-soluble vitamins. And it is the fat-soluble vitamins that we know from more modern science, and even from Dr. Prices experiments, it is the fat-soluble vitamins that allow our body to use minerals in our diet.
Nadine: Yes. Yes, that is very key. So what the fat-solubles do from what I understand, And the main foods that were imported are is they well, they do so many things that white flour and packaged foods like packaged probably is beyond my understanding, milk, packaged meat and concentrated but the key thing is that they help to usher sweeteners like jam or I do not know. Well, the minerals into the bones. And if the fat they said syrup; I do not know what kind of solubles are not there as these activators, syrup it was but some kind of sugar syrup. then the minerals are sort of hanging out in the soft tissues a bit and not going into the Nadine: Right. bones, which is the teeth. Is that correct? Ramiel Nagel: I do not want to make Ramiel Nagel: That sounds really good. It is assumptions honey likely that the minerals are not going into the Nadine: Good. Ramiel Nagel: I do not want to make assumptions of what I do not know. It is a hard lesson. Because for example the modern world of dentistry makes the assumption that oh, it is caused by bacteria. Tooth decay is caused by bacteria. And because of that assumption they can ignore a bunch of facts. Nadine: Yes. Yes. organs either. Nadine: Okay. Ramiel Nagel: So I think just having good bone development is not a healthy body. A healthy body is when the organs are really fully developed too. Nadine: Right.
Ramiel Nagel: And the fat-soluble vitamins like vitamin D and the Activator X, they are Ramiel Nagel: So Weston Price studied the more like hormones. And hormones are diet for example, of the people in the Swiss chemicals that our glands and organs use. Alps and he looked at their teeth. And he That is why the glands of organs of were found that in some of the very isolated regions treasured foods and those foods feed our only one in three people had evidence of a glands and organs. So it is a whole body tiny cavity. But in the modern regions, people thing that is happening. with the same genetic heritage, those people had like 25 to 75 times more cavities. People But you are right in terms of it helps the had several cavities in each each person body utilize the minerals, and I do not know had several cavities. So that is an example of where the minerals are. And the whole thing the kind of field studies he did. that happens when you consume fat-soluble vitamins in their natural form I do not know And he also took their dietary food and all those details and I do not need to know analyzed the food in a laboratory. And what because the body is so complicated and what he found is, the primary lesson what he happens on the science level is useful, but it found was in his laboratory analysis was is very complicated. For me, I am content what he thought before he went on his in knowing that vitamin D or certain foods field studies, which is that our modern diet
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promote remineralization of bones and also healthy organs.
Nadine: Wow.
Ramiel Nagel: So I want to just go over a list An example is vitamin A, fat-soluble vitamin of a couple of foods that have vitamin D in it A, we know that is good for nerves, the because this is an example of we do not get nervous system. And let us say if a mom is enough vitamin D. Even the U.S. government, pregnant or before conception, if she does I cannot remember what branch, they just not have enough vitamin A then the child can increased I think three times, what the have nervous system imbalances or a not recommended minimum vitamin D dosage is. fully formed nervous system and that is one Nadine: Oh, excellent. of the main causes of birth defects. And they are able to do this in laboratory Ramiel Nagel: It is good. When the government experiments where they deprive animals of says it is something, it is probably pretty vitamin A and the offspring get birth defects. extreme, you know. [Inaudible]. They put the vitamin A back in, and even though the offspring had birth defects, their offspring has no longer any defects. So it just shows we need these vitamins from the animal fats. And they help us use the minerals.
Nadine: And so at like the top or not the top, but sort of the richest sources would be things like Dr. Price was recommending cod liver oil and I believe you found in his studies that that was reducing cavities about 40, Nadine: For sure. 45% as well? Ramiel Nagel: So, cod liver oil is the highest Ramiel Nagel: He gave one study, and I have form of vitamin D. And it is important to know some more on my files that I have not looked, that most cod liver oils contain synthetic but there were numerous researchers who vitamin D from sheeps wool. And there is studied adding vitamin D to the diet. Edward one you may occasionally find a brand of Mellanby said vitamin D is and he was the vitamin D or of cod liver oil that does not researcher who discovered vitamin D, and have synthetic vitamin D added and it will he did feeding experiments with his wife and have a much smaller amount of vitamin D in orphanages and they were stopping cavities it, but it still has a little bit. And that is just all over the place. And vitamin D is the most because of how the factory industrialized important food factor that solves cavities. processing of the cods liver. That is why I recommend people use Green Pastures And, yes, in the one study where it was fermented cod liver oil. around 40% reduction in cavities by giving schoolgirls two teaspoons per day of cod Nadine: Yes. That is the best brand. liver oil. And it was actually probably more than that because they gave the girls that Ramiel Nagel: Yes. Because it has the natural were more susceptible to cavities the cod vitamin D. liver oil and they had 40% less cavities than Nadine: Yes. Now, would being the sun the schoolgirls who were more immune to also help? Because I know that also helps cavities. to produce there is the fat-soluble D and
And to me what is amazing is that this research most of the research is me rephrasing and clarifying the research of other dentists.
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taking just the oral care supplement, you know I think we need a little bit of sunshine. And the food as well, I think there is probably some kind of relationship that we may not be able to quantify. Ramiel Nagel: I think there is a relationship and I have not cited it that much because what I do know is that the sun alone is not enough. Nadine: Yes. Ramiel Nagel: And what I think people have said is that when you have the vitamin D in your system so you are taking it from some kind of food and then you get the sun, then you get this synergistic effect where you are really getting all the vitamin D that you need. But to give a specific example, the modern Swiss children that Weston Price visited, they made the kids exercise, they made them get sun every day and they made them brush their teeth every day. And they had done this and everything that you would think would be helpful and these kids still had 25% of all their teeth affected with cavities. And it is because the main factor is what they are eating. You cannot cut away this main thing, it is like your mouth and food, it is so connected and to look past that is a mistake.
year, get our checkups, rinse with chemicals and get the cavities filled. But just everybody, you know take a moment and just absorb the fact that cavities can be healed when you make the dietary changes to do that. And I think that is just amazing. And of course it makes sense because our bodies were designed to regenerate. Ramiel Nagel: Yes. Yes, it is amazing. And to me what is amazing is that this research most of the research is me rephrasing and clarifying the research of other dentists. So Weston Price published studies in the American Dental Association. Dr. Edward and May Mellanby talked to the American Medical Association and told them of their studies curing cavities. And there is another dentist, Charles Brodecker, who was curing cavities in his patients and they had it completely spelled out in a very accurate way what they were doing and how it was working. And yet something happened around 1940, where the whole idea of nutrition and health was disconnected and nutrition and diet were taken out of the picture.
Nadine: And from what I understand because I was researching more on Dr. Ralph Steinmans work, and in his work it was saying that there was a meeting in the 1940s Nadine: Yes. And of course dentists do not from the International I mean I do not know if this is right, right now, but International even learn about nutrition in dental school. Dental Association of Research. Sort of this Ramiel Nagel: That is right. Yes. international association and they had a Nadine: So it is funny because actually meeting in the 1940s and it was decided we are talking about all the ways to heal that the acidogenic theory was going to be the teeth, heal a cavity, and I just want to the standard. And at that point the systemic take a moment to actually celebrate that a theories just really fell away. And that became cavity can be healed. Because that is still the standard of what was taught in dental just that, like even the title of your book is schools. so groundbreaking because nobody even Ramiel Nagel: That is correct. But there was thought. a systemic thing going on, it was not just I think I mean there were some people, but this vote. It was something happened where generally in North American culture we are someone or a group did not want the raised, you know to go to the dentist twice a nutritional paradigm was eliminated.
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For example I found this old book and they did a study of dentists in Ohio, this was in the 1930s, and they asked the dentists what causes cavities. And the average result showed that bacteria as the cause of cavities was listed as number six. They talked about sugar, they talked about body chemistry, they talked about fat-soluble vitamins. So up until the 1940s, a lot of dentists did not think bacteria was a primary factory. They thought it was a factor, but that it was not a key factor.
Ramiel Nagel: And what that means the indigenous diet to me means that those diets are kind of a reflection of the diets that our bodies were designed to function at. So the remedy, the most effective remedy is to add the fat-soluble vitamins back into the diet. And the simple, because a lot of people want simple and they do not want to do crazy things like drink animal blood or even change their diet or even spend a lot of money, the simplest and most effective thing to do is the fermented cod liver oil. That is the simple Nadine: Wow. That is interesting. Also and because it has the vitamin D. You take maybe I think Dr. Weston Price was from Ohio, so a teaspoon per day. That is the number one maybe he helped influence in a good way. simplest advice. Ramiel Nagel: That is right. He was from Ohio. The number two advice is we need what Nadine: So can you also tell us I think we touched on it a bit, maybe we just make sure we finish that question about just like what dietary changes are really key to make sure that like if people are experiencing cavities or their children are experiencing cavities, what do they want to be sure that they are digesting and putting into their diets every day. Weston Price called Activator X. And that is another fat-soluble vitamin. And to be clear, with the fat-soluble vitamins is the ones that stop cavities are only in animal fat.
So coconut oil is a great health food and avocado is great, and some olive oil can be great too, but that does not have, in my experience, the special sauce, the special hormones that help our body and our teeth Ramiel Nagel: So, Weston Price found that remineralize. So the source of Activator X is our modern diet on average has one-tenth or going to be grass-fed butter. That is the easy less of the fat-soluble vitamins as indigenous source. The other source is fish eggs, which is for most people harder to obtain, but some peoples diets. people can get those. They export them all Nadine: Wow. And that was back then. to Japan. That is what happens. Ramiel Nagel: That was back then. Right. It is hard to know if it is better or worse now. Nadine: I think it is worse. Wow. Nadine: Yes, the butter is pretty easy. And that is, you know if people want to still be vegetarian, you know they can have like the grass-fed butter, which will help. And then I know some vegetarians that find it okay for themselves to have the ethically made and fermented cod liver oil because it is not like they are eating a full meal, you know Ramiel Nagel: Right. Right. Nadine: so they are able to bring some things in. Because I know that if people have been following a vegetarian lifestyle, which
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is easy to understand in this day because of all the crazy factory farming and all that. And of course you are not recommending anybody eat and of course grass-fed butter does not come from factory-farmed animals. So some people have found when they are experiencing a lot of cavities and they are on a vegetarian diet that they can bring in these pieces and also look at preparing their grains differently. And that often shifts things for people.
Nadine: Yes.
Ramiel Nagel: But when the plants grow really quickly they have plant hormones and then the animals eat that and then they create those really good hormones that are not just healing for us, but also promote fertility. That is why indigenous cultures had practices that child conception should or marriages should happen at a certain time of year. Some cultures did. To correspond with the time of certain animal fats or foods being Ramiel Nagel: Yes. Very well said. And to be available. very clear, the grass-fed butter should be a yellow color, and I absolutely advocate that Nadine: Oh, that is really neat. Yes, I know I the animals be humanely raised. Because think there was a chapter in Dr. Weston Prices I was a vegetarian for about two years and book near the end where he talked about the main reason was just that difficulty of foods for fertility and for family planning. Is eating foods when the animals have been so that that is correct, is it not? misused and disrespected. Ramiel Nagel: No. Nadine: Absolutely. And really, you know and that is a whole other thing, but also the nutrients from factory-raised animals would not be that healing to the teeth as well because they are fed grains and corn. And the butter from a factory-farmed cow is not going to have that juicy Activator X as well because they need to be eating grass to be getting those nutrients that are then good for us to eat. Nadine: No, I read it somewhere. Maybe it was just on Weston Prices site. Ramiel Nagel: It is on the Weston Price site and yes, it is not in his book. That is why I wrote my book, Healing our Children, to teach some of what the indigenous practices are for fertility, also for child raising.
Nadine: Oh, awesome. I have not read that book; I look forward to that. And when is Ramiel Nagel: That is correct. And specifically your you mentioned you had a revised book for healing cavities, it is not just grass, but coming or like a new edition of Cure Tooth Decay, when will that be available? the rapidly growing grass and the rapid Nadine: Yes, like the June butter, from what I understand, the summer stuff, summer butter? Ramiel Nagel: The new edition has been available since November 2010.
Nadine: Oh, wonderful. That is great. And Ramiel Nagel: Well, it depends on where your site is very current too, so there is lots of people live on when that rapid growing time information there. I am sure somebody could spend a few days on your website. is. Because in California it could be March Nadine: Oh, right. Ramiel Nagel: Probably. Ramiel Nagel: but in Canada it could be Nadine: And then what else I find fascinating is if we are healing our teeth and our cavities, June or July. which is what the main part of the book is
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about healing cavities, but through diet and nutrition, will not things like gum recession, root canals, abscesses not performed root canals, but root canals that surely these things, the nutrition must help these issues as well. Ramiel Nagel: Yes. Let us take it one at a time because each one is a little bit different. So what do you want to start with?
And then other people have the result of their imbalances show up as gum disease. So let us talk about what people can do about that. And one of the first important points is that mercury or other toxins can be related to gum disease.
So some people will say oh, this one tooth, the gum is receding. And I say well, does that tooth have a filling? Is there a crown on that tooth? And a lot of times, yes. So the tooth or Nadine: Let us start with gum recession. the bone under the tooth is degenerating from Ramiel Nagel: Okay. That is a topic that I am being poised and/or otherwise traumatized still researching, but I am going to give you from the dental treatment. the latest information, which I may change The second thing is that and this kind of slightly in the future, but correlates with the whole grain problem, but I will focus on gum disease. They were able to give the disease of scurvy to laboratory Ramiel Nagel: So the theory is that the guinea pigs and the reason why they used reason why this is my theory the reason guinea pigs is because guinea pigs do not why gums recede is because the bone under synthesize vitamin C. the gum tissue is degenerating. Nadine: Okay. Nadine: That makes sense. Ramiel Nagel: They gave guinea pigs scurvy Ramiel Nagel: Makes sense, right? to study it by feeding them whole grains. And when guinea pigs ate a whole raw grain Nadine: Yes. they would get scurvy. And a main symptom Ramiel Nagel: And in that process of of scurvy is gum disease and loose teeth. degeneration there is inflammation, there is waste product from the cellular metabolism, Nadine: Wow. and that degenerative waste product causes Ramiel Nagel: So it is pretty likely that people inflammation in the gums. And then you get who experience gum disease are having a recession. mild form of scurvy. And it is very well known Melvin Page found gum disease to be related that there is a very simple cure for scurvy. Nadine: Do not quote him, just listen. to the calcium phosphorus metabolism, Nadine: Yes, vitamin C. and Weston Price also said something similar about the calcium and phosphorus Ramiel Nagel: Vitamin C. metabolism for gum disease. So what happens is some people get tooth cavities So the tooth or the bone under and other people get gum disease. Usually it is one or the other. And the reason is because the tooth is degenerating from the same or similar mechanism is at play, it is being poised and/or otherwise just through genetics that is where there is a genetic difference through genetics some traumatized from the dental people have the result of their imbalances treatment. show up as cavities.
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Nadine: Yes. Oh, you know what is interesting? Hal Huggins recommends for really bad gums, taking not ascorbic acid, but the other form of form of vitamin C that is not acidic and I do not I am losing it right now. I mean I do not have it on the tip of my tongue, but I can look that up. And if you swish with that it gets rid of gum tenderness and gum recession. So that is an interesting way where you can feed the gums, but not feed them the acidic form of the vitamin C. But back over to what you were saying.
Ramiel Nagel: That is interesting. I should experiment with that. Now, Hal Huggins, he Nadine: Which is important. only says it sometimes, but he was a student Ramiel Nagel: So just that. Just vitamin C is of Melvin Page. enough. And interestingly vitamin C is also Nadine: Yes. the remedy for phytic acid because when you have vitamin C with a phytic acid rich Ramiel Nagel: He does all the blood chemistry food, then the mineral losses are much less. stuff and he studied that. But my preference is to not use industrialized things. There is Nadine: Oh, that is great to know. something about that, that I really do not like. Ramiel Nagel: And the scurvy was caused by Nadine: Yes. I appreciate that because I am the whole grains in the guinea pigs, which really into non-manmade things. are high in phytic acid. So there might be a significant connection between gum disease Ramiel Nagel: So I do not like supplements or and whole grains and phytic acid maybe. extracts. I like herbs and other natural things. So what people can do is get a food-based So the third thing people want to do for gum vitamin C supplement disease is the same thing you would do for tooth decay, which is the fat-soluble vitamins, Nadine: Like Camu Camu or something? A and D. That stimulates nerve growth factors Ramiel Nagel: Like Camu Camu or acerola and can stimulate tissue regeneration, so fermented cod liver oil. cherry. You can even Nadine: Oh Ramiel Nagel: Go ahead. Nadine: I just have the vitamin C here. It is sodium ascorbate. Just so people know, which would be a manufactured vitamin C powder, but it is not the ascorbic acid. So just to clarify that. But please continue. Ramiel Nagel: And swishing with that might help gum disease, but a more simple
paradigm I would aim for what Dr. Robert Nara taught, which is to use sea salt and just rinse the mouth twice a day. And that is going to be in my experimental protocol is sea salt. And I have a protocol in my current edition of my book, but swishing with sea salt twice a day to work on that sort of oral environment issue, food-based vitamin C, so you want to take it internally one to two teaspoons per day. It is not that many on the milligram scale because when it is in the food form it is not as concentrated or isolated. But it is in a form that your body can use and recognize.
And what happens is before that tooth gets the root canal it has been dying or putrefying. But actually a lot of root canals are done now for the wrong reasons.
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Nadine: That is excellent. Great. Great Nadine: Right. knowledge to share. Ramiel Nagel: In those tubes there is also Ramiel Nagel: And then I would say to be going to be toxic material. I am not going to mindful of their whole grain intake and I say it is bacteria. could probably talk about grains for a long time, but you want to talk about root canals Nadine: Okay. and abscesses, which are super important Ramiel Nagel: There is toxic putrefied tissue. topics. And those do not get sealed up very well in So, root canals are and again, I am giving the root canal and you have if you leave you a summary of my understanding based that in your body, then the putrefied stuff on what I have learned. So I take what other keeps fermenting or putrefying and then it dentists and researchers say and then I can drip directly into your bloodstream and choose what I think feels right and fits the go straight to your heart. So there have been best. Not necessarily just look at evidence, these thermograms or whatever where they but also what feels accurate and resonates do the heat signatures and they can see the heat signature from a root canal to breast with me. cancer. Those are just so aligned, and you Nadine: Yes. can see it in the body. Ramiel Nagel: So root canals, a majority of them are toxic. Maybe 98% or whatever. Some are much more toxic than others. The reason why they are toxic is because each tooth has these it is porous and there are pores in the tooth where there is the channels of fluid that go through the tooth, those pores are difficult to seal. And what happens is before that tooth gets the root canal it has been dying or putrefying. But actually a lot of root canals are done now for the wrong reasons. Nadine: Oh, yes. The thermal imaging. Ramiel Nagel: Exactly. Nadine: Wow.
Ramiel Nagel: Now, does that mean okay, so that is the one issue with root canals. The second issue is most of them are not even necessary. So if your tooth is inflamed or infected, it is not because it is too much bacteria and it is not because you did not remove the nerve of your tooth that you are Nadine: True. having the problem. A lot of times infections Ramiel Nagel: But let us assume it was done are from the tooth being irritated from bite or TNJ issue, or they could be from the same for the right reason. kind of bone tissue degenerative issue where Nadine: Okay. there is inflammation happening below the tooth, not even in the tooth. And as long as Ramiel Nagel: Let us assume the nerve was the tooth nerve is still vital dead and the tooth has a semi-putrefied nerve in there. Nadine: Right. Nadine: That could be even like a black tooth Ramiel Nagel: then there is much less or yes, like a dead tooth. invasive treatments or many people have experienced by switching their diet that the Ramiel Nagel: A dead tooth that the nerve is pain and inflammation can completely go dead inside of it. It is putrefied and receded away. inside and now it is just a bunch of gunk in the tooth. Although the tooth might still be in Nadine: Yes. Yes. the persons mouth.
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Ramiel Nagel: So in that realm, most root canals are not necessary because the tooth did not need such a severe procedure, if any procedure at all.
And once the infection has gone, then you can go to the dentist and they are hopefully not going to panic or say you have to do root canal right away. You can look at getting a small filling if there is a hole in a tooth, or So now there is what do you do with the even some dentists would do a no-drill filling root canal after you have one? Weston Price if the tooth has remineralized. found that 25% of root canals he could not find noticeable health problems he could That assumes that the dentist even checks not find a noticeable health impact from the that the tooth has remineralized, which 25% of people who had root canals because unfortunately a lot of dentists do not do. they were healthy. So if you have a strong They see a spot or a hole and assume that constitution, you do not have significant it is active cavities. When a lot of people health issues then you do not have to, in my what happens is maybe they party for a opinion, pull out a root canal just because couple days, it is Thanksgiving and they eat you have a root canal. and drink a bunch of sugar and have a bunch of ice cream and other and ice cream can And having a biting surface, a lot of people be good, it is just the store-bought ice cream like to have a tooth there and as it is now is not good. we do not have good tooth replacements. So having a root canalled tooth in your mouth Nadine: Right. from the perspective of bite and comfort, having a biting surface is very important. So Ramiel Nagel: They have too much sweets and they get a temporary decay and they get I recommend ultra-conservative dentistry. a little hole in their tooth and then they stop Nadine: Yes. doing that and the hole just stays there and kind of remineralizes but you can still see it. Ramiel Nagel: So tooth infections, it is kind of Then they go to the dentist six months later the same deal. Most infections what people and the dentists says oh, you have a cavity. should do if they have a tooth infection is I am going to fill it even though the cavity temporarily go off grains, just for a little bit, stopped and causes no issue. go off sugar, make sure to have adequate protein. Even a raw animal protein can work So there is a huge problem in the modern really well for infections sake, let the body dentist world of over treating people, even by rest, give it easy to digest foods and nothing the conventional standards, not even thinking at all that is sweet. that a cavity can heal or remineralize. Just is a treatment even necessary because dental You can use some internal and topical herbs treatments traumatize teeth. All of them do. on it, like an echinacean golden seal. I think echinacea was called the toothache plant. Nadine: Yes. You can just put powdered echinacea right on there, you can also take it internally. And Ramiel Nagel: Or any of them that involve if people switch their diet up and add the drilling. So it should not be taken lightly or fat-soluble vitamin D, they eat some liver, oh, yes, I got your tooth drilled. they have some butter, a lot of times those Nadine: Yes. It is definitely not something to infections will go away really quickly. If it take lightly. Not to mention it throws off the does not go away in a day or two then you bite and the cranial sacral and the occipital probably need a treatment. ridge in the spine and all that kind of stuff.
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Ramiel Nagel: Yes, and that is really important. I think that most do not realize that if they have had dental treatments that the drilling can cause a lot of torque in the head, and also crowns and root canals can really throw the whole bite off and cause systemic health imbalances or more cavities or gum recession. Nadine: Yes. That is so true. Can you describe the evidence and the proof that cavities can remineralize? I mean we have talked about some of that, but kind of also what it looks like, like when the tooth glosses over and, you know not that a whole tooth will necessarily be regrowing and it is not going to be all white and shiny. But when somebody who is working on healing your cavities and then what they can look for when it is solid again.
over time, that hole will fill in. But that does not always happen. In ancient human skulls you see they give it a different term, they call it attrition, like the ancient humans had a lot of worn down teeth, but the teeth were super hard and rock solid and there was a lot of enamel between the tooth and the nerve. So it kind of shows that the body will heal and regenerate itself. But the actual hole that there is in a tooth may not get filled in. But usually the holes are extremely tiny and not an issue.
But if it is a huge hole, then you might look into getting some kind of minimally invasive composite. For example I had my mercury fillings replaced and there are some huge holes that the dentist drilled to put in the Ramiel Nagel: So a typical cavity, if it is mercury. And I did not just sit there and identified correctly by a dentist is like a brown hope that I would build, you know all this discolored sticky spot that if you poked it new enamel, I got the compatible composite would probably hurt. That is what a cavity fillings. would be. Now let us say you remineralized your diet and what would happen is there Nadine: Right. Yes, a lot of people sometimes might still be a little hole on that tooth, but wonder if they take out their fillings not even that hole would be rock hard. It just fills in mercury at this point, just like fillings, will it and if you poked that little hole you would allow the dentin to lay down like secondary not feel anything. That is kind of what and tertiary levels. But I do not think it would, would it? If you just take out your filling and remineralization looks like. hope? Now some people have had more extreme things happen where with children they had Ramiel Nagel: Taking out the filling is not some decay and you could see discoloration going to help that much unless the filling is in spots and then it is completely gone. You really kind of poisoning the tooth. cannot even tell. Nadine: Right. Nadine: That is cool. I know with my son, with Leif, when he was about two-and-a-half, he had a tiny, tiny little chip in the front tooth. Luckily it did not hit a nerve or anything. And it is straight now. Like the bottom you know what I mean? It does not even look chipped. Ramiel Nagel: Yes. So sometimes in high remineralization in certain people, they will get new layers and new layers and new layers of dentin and enamel and that will slowly Ramiel Nagel: Because most of the tooth building is coming from inside the tooth outward. So a filling on top does not stop that process and if you remove that filling what happens is you are going to have a tooth with a crater in it and that tooth anatomically is not going to be as strong. So it is usually a bad idea, although some people by their own intuition, following very strict diets usually with lots of raw animal foods will leave their fillings let them fall out and leave them
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untreated. But if you are one of those people, me too about bonding agents that they often you know. If you are not sure, you are not recommend for children and the issues with one of those people who should do that. those. Nadine: Right. And there is a lot to be said for, okay, you have your fillings, your nonmercury fillings and you know still not to let those teeth slide. So still keeping your diet up because that part of the tooth that is left can remain strong and you do not have to look at getting a crown or something further down the road. Ramiel Nagel: Exactly. Nadine: Yes, we can still take care of the teeth that may already have fillings. They are not lost causes so to speak. Ramiel Nagel: Sealants you mean? Nadine: Yes. Sealants. Exactly. Which is sort of a similar thing because again, sometimes they drill in the sealants, which is incredible because you are getting rid of tooth. But they seal bacteria and stuff under that tooth and so, often a cavity still happens. And again you are not getting to the root of the issue. It is just sealing you know putting a sealant on a childs back molars rather than looking at nutrition.
Ramiel Nagel: Well, you said it very well at the beginning and it is what I say, but you really be clear that you know repeated that. Dental treatments hide the what food you are eating evidence of decay and degeneration. So just because your tooth is drilled and it has causes the cavities. a biocompatible or acceptable composite material in it, does not mean the decay Ramiel Nagel: Well, and a lot of sealants process stops. contain BPA and [inaudible]. The average lifespan of a filling from Nadine: Yes. conventional dentistry standards is five to 12 years. And the reasons why fillings only Ramiel Nagel: There was one study I recently last five to 12 years in general is because the posted on my blog someone, I do not tooth continues the process of decay. And remember where it came from, but they because there was this assumption that the were connecting that BPA and sealants was filling stopped the process of decay, people actually measurable and possibly affecting continued with their same lifestyle habits the children or people exposed to it. that caused the imbalances in the first place. So then they require more and more dental That does not mean all sealants are bad. The holistic dentist I talked to said that to place a treatments. It is a vicious cycle. sealant correctly I have to do it one tooth at That is why the average 40 to 59-year-old in a time, the one that does not have the BPA. this country, the average 40 to 59-year-old And it is not a profitable procedure because has almost half of their teeth affected with just to have someone come in and just do one or two of them at a time, the dentist does not cavities. make any money so they do not like to do Nadine: Incredible. Incredible. And not those. It is a lot of work on their end. something you want to you do not want to be one of those statistics if you can help it, Nadine: Right. Amazing. Well, I feel like we if you catch it early. You have just reminded covered some good ground. Is there anything
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you want to add? Is there something that root canals and infections and not getting you really want to make sure people hear new cavities even though they have had know? cavities for a long time. So I wrote the book in a spirit to help people and I think if people Ramiel Nagel: Well, I will just talk about my read the book they feel helped. book a little bit. Nadine: Yes. For sure. I can attest to that. It is Nadine: Sure. an awesome book. And what is always really Ramiel Nagel: I think we did sort of cover the great is and I think also for a lot of people ground. And the way I made my book, Cure that are listening. A lot of the people that are Tooth Decay, was kind of to be a step-by-step listening are already making very intelligent educational process. So it is not just throwing food choices and also where you were coming here is what you should do. And I tried not to from, I mean you were an organic family, be too strict on just eat this or do that, but you were eating well, you know started with really giving each person the understanding breastfeeding, all of those good things. of why cavities happen in a very detailed So it is great because it goes into the finer way. So that each person reading the book details, and they are very important details. can feel inspired on how to change their own So we are already beyond the soda pop diet in a way that feels balanced to them. and you know because you were not just So whether I have a vegetarian in that thinking I put a vegetarian program in my book, not because I am a vegetarian but because I want to try to help people who are. And I have different protocols; advanced ones and ones for people who do not want to spend too much time. Just so they I constructed it in a way so that each person can think for themselves and make their own good life affirming decisions on how to improve their diet without making changes that are too drastic or that are not enjoyable. That is not the point. But to really be clear that you know what food you are eating causes the cavities. So I kind of created that educational process and also talk about dentistry and the bite and gum disease. So dentists tell me that people who have read my book who go to the dental office are very informed. And they are very unlikely to have to deal with an unnecessary dental treatment or perhaps any problems at all. drinking soda pop and getting cavities, you know. So, you know once people have already stopped eating processed food and they also think they are doing excellent and they are eating only organic and they are eating only whole, unprocessed foods, but still getting decay. And that is where your research is really great. Ramiel Nagel: Yes. Yes, those people will be benefited because that is where I was. And the people who do eat processed foods will be benefited as well. And part of why I wrote my book Healing our Children, is in the same vein of our difficult lesson that we have to face is that our daughters cavities in the last analysis, why does she have it? It is because she did not have a strong constitution.
And the strength of the organs, the density of the teeth are all formed in the womb and before conception. The little changes in that special crucial time influence the entire life of the child. Not just how their teeth are, but We have lots of amazing testimonials that their whole ability to be immune to disease people send me with their children having the and to have a balanced body structure and decay gone and dentists are very confused good bone structure. So I wanted to teach on what is going on. And people avoiding people how to do that.
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And our second daughter has a much stronger constitution. She got sick like half a day once or twice, just from eating something not good. And she is four. I do not think she has ever gotten a cold or anything like that. Just as an example of what can happen. And she has a lot of energy and her body is really strong.
Ramiel Nagel: Well, I am going to go with what they used to tell children a long time ago, which is drink raw milk. It is really good for you. The raw grass-fed milk, cow or goat or whatever you have got. Or yogurt or kefir or whatever kind of fermentation from the grass-fed animals is just one of the best foods we can give our growing children.
Nadine: That is awesome. Always feels good Nadine: Wonderful. Thank you so much. And to have healthy children that is for sure. thank you so much for all of your deep dental research. If you could have the tooth fairy of the world put a message for children under their Ramiel Nagel: You are welcome. pillows, what would it be? Nadine: Okay. Bye.
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Victor Zeines
Dr. Zeines hosts the Healthy Mouth, Healthy Body show on New York Talk Radio.
In 1975, he decided to return to dentistry and started giving his patients vitamins. Nadine: When Dr. Victor This opened Dr. Zeines up to a whole new Zeines first started practicing world of healing. He studied acupuncture, dentistry he felt like a tooth chiropractic care and kinesiology. In perfect repairman, simply filling synchronicity, the universe dropped more cavities only to have the clues along his path. At the health food store person come back in a few months later for he found two nutrition books actually written another filling. Feeling discouraged he quit by dentists. They were Diet and Disease by Dr. Emanuel Cheraskin and Nutrition and dentistry and became a psychotherapist. Physical Degeneration by Dr. Weston Price. In his new practice he noticed that if you could change a persons diet, you could And on the radio he heard Dr. Hal Huggins change their mood. Intuitively he wondered speak on mercury toxicity. He discovered if a better diet could prevent dental issues. that if patients removed their mercury So he went back to his New York University fillings their health would improve. He also Dental School professors, only to be puzzled began to incorporate herbs and homeopathy into his practice. Dr. Victor Zeines got his by their lack of answers. masters in nutrition and explored other
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holistic techniques including non-surgical I am sure everybody listening to this has at periodontal work. And of course his patients one time or another had a cold or a flu or thrived. did a detox program and did you ever notice when that happens, what happens to your He is passionate and enlightens people about tongue? It turns white. natural techniques that create healthy oral ecology. He is the author of Healthy Mouth Nadine: Yes. Healthy Body, Living a Longer Life Naturally and the book Your Tongue Never Lies. He Dr. Victor Zeines: Yes. You know? is also a contributing writer for Rodales The Nadine: Yes. Herbal Drug Store and one of the contributors Dr. Victor Zeines: And the reason that of the film Food Matters. happens is because toxins are coming out. Dr. Zeines hosts the Healthy Mouth, Healthy So that is the first thing you can look at. If Body show on New York Talk Radio. He your tongue is white it means that you are is a member of the advisory board of the toxic. holisticoption.com, and his offices have been mercury free for over 25 years with locations Nadine: Wow. in Manhattan and Woodstock. And his Dr. Victor Zeines: If your tongue is website can be found at www.natdent.com. Nadine: How do you feel ? So, welcome, and thank you so much for Dr. Victor Zeines: Go ahead. sharing your knowledge with us today. Nadine: I was just it reminded me of like what do you think of the practice tongue Nadine: Yes. Thank you. I read your book, scraping? Healthy Mouth Healthy Body years ago, but I want to actually start the call with I think one Dr. Victor Zeines: I am not a big fan. Because of your newer books, The Tongue Never Lies. basically what happens is people are saying okay, you know my tongue I woke up in the Dr. Victor Zeines: Okay. morning and my tongue is covered with crud Nadine: That is just fascinating and such a so I am going to scrape it off. Okay. But unique book. Tell us what our tongues can wait let us go back a minute. I woke up reveal about our overall health and if it can this morning and my tongue is covered with also specifically tell us about things inside crud. What is that about? That is really what I want to know. The scraping is just kind of our mouth. getting rid of the symptoms. Dr. Victor Zeines: Well, I will give you a little bit about it because it is a complicated topic Nadine: Yes. That makes sense. really. But basically it is the only internal Dr. Victor Zeines: Because if you are healthy organ of the body that you can see. And you do not need to scrape your tongue. You because it has a very high metabolic rate, for do not wake up in the morning covered with instance the top layer of the tongue, called crud. So I am not a big fan of that. I am much the epithelial layer is replaced every two or more of a big fan of getting to the bottom three days. So because it is such a rapid maybe if there were a lot less fast food changeover you can see malnutrition and now, it is such a misnomer to call them fast other conditions pretty quickly. food restaurants because it is really not food. Dr. Victor Zeines: Oh, it is a pleasure.
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But if there were less of those and if people ate less processed food, also not food I suspect that not too many people would in fact be scraping their tongues to get all the crud off because it would not be there. But that is for another day and another time. Maybe another show. But right now there are a number of things you can see. For instance if your tongue is gray or grayish-brown, it is usually indicative of stomach or intestinal problems. If it is green or yellowish green it can be due to liver or gall bladder problems. If the tongue is scalloped it can be mineral deficiencies and if it is scalloped and large it could also be related to sleep apnea. If the top of the tongue is cracked that can be seen as vitamin deficiencies and if the top of the tongue is reddish and you can see this very obviously, just you stick your tongue out and you see the just the total front part would be red. That is either heart weakness or thyroid problems. So there is a good little bit of information that I think would cover a lot of problems for a lot of people. And all you really have to do is wake up in the morning and look at your tongue in the mirror to see what it looks like.
it is yellow, yellowish green. Right? The next thing you want to ask yourself is, is that coating a thick coating or a very thin coating. The thicker the coating the more chronic the problem is. So it is really not uncommon to see people who come in and their tongues look like somebodys doormat. And the first question is how is your digestion? They go, oh, it is not all that great, you know. But it has been like that for a while. You know? Why did you ask? Well, your tongue looks like a doormat. Look. And we have people just hold up a mirror and look at their tongue and they go oh, my God, I never noticed that. And it really because you never looked and because no one ever told you about it. Another little quick thing is if your tongue is pale and you have a lot of fatigue it may very well be that your adrenals are down and you are not getting the proper circulation and it is showing up as a pale tongue, which is different from a white tongue in terms of chronic problems.
So that is a fair amount of things people can just take a look at, you know. In the book one of the unique things about this particular book and the reason I wrote it is because I would look at Chinese medicine. You know Nadine: Yes. That is so good. And people being a dentist I did notice you see a lot can start understanding more about their of tongues look different than what I learned bodies. Do the scales on the sides ? in dental school about healthy pink. As a matter of fact in the past two years I have Dr. Victor Zeines: And most people will take not seen a healthy pink tongue. their own insurance, so it is not going to cost them anything. And I started looking at the Chinese medicine books and they all talk about tongue Nadine: Yes. That is true. And it might help assessments. But I realized it is a silly not them to like narrow silly, but it does not it will not work to tell Dr. Victor Zeines: Now, with that being said someone, you know your tongue is showing before you yes, before you go further with me that you need you have too much yin or yang in your system. You need to change that, there is another thing after that. that. Because it does not mean anything to Nadine: Yes. a Westerner. Dr. Victor Zeines: So now you have looked Nadine: True. at your tongue and you have seen all right,
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Dr. Victor Zeines: But if you say, listen, you know your digestion is off or I think you have got intestinal problems, that they understand. So what I did was I took a look at what I found in Chinese books and what I saw in my own practice and I put my own book together. And the only thing that I really like about my book more than any other book I have ever seen, is we actually have a whole section that shows before and after pictures of tongues.
than you ever imagined. The data suggests that poor oral hygiene can increase the rate of early cancer death by up to 80%. Nadine: Wow.
Dr. Victor Zeines: Yes. Well, we already know that if you have gum disease you are four times as likely to get a heart attack and four times as likely to get a stroke. But now it is also being linked to cancers. So as I said many times and as was said by Dr. Mayo in Nadine: That is great. the Mayo Clinic, you simply cannot leave Dr. Victor Zeines: Showing the differences dentistry out of the wellness equation. It is that can happen once you start changing just not going to happen. I do not care what your diet and getting healthy. And it is just disease you have and what you are doing, insane to see how quickly things can go if your mouth is not healthy, you are not within a month you will see super changes in healthy. And you will never get healthy until the way your tongue looks. you get that part of your body fixed.
The data suggests that poor oral hygiene can increase the rate of early cancer death by up to 80%
Nadine: That is just so fascinating and very helpful for people. I always say that I think it is good for people to really get to know their mouths. It is all so visible, but there are these corners of our mouths or the back molars or their tongues, there is so much even though it is very obvious to see if you put a mirror or a light in there, it is just something we have
And it makes sense when you start thinking about what is going on here is really spreading to every other part of the body. It is not like it is blocked off and you carry it around in a suitcase. It is sitting there with a very good blood supply and it just goes all over the place. So Nadine: Yes. And this is I was going to say because there is kind of a spiral because like we have been told to just, you know brush, floss, mouthwash. But if we just did that that is not necessarily going to get to what you are talking about, to this depth of really clearing up the health of your mouth.
Dr. Victor Zeines: No. Not even close. I am sure you brush your teeth and I am sure kind of been ignoring. But the things that are everybody listening to this brushes their lurking in our mouth. teeth. And how many times have you gone Dr. Victor Zeines: Funny thing you said that to a hygienist and they say, you know you are because I am giving a lecture at a cancer developing plague, you need to brush more. center in New York City in two weeks and You have heard that? I just pulled this article off the internet and Nadine: Oh, yes. That is like common for me it says use your toothbrush to fight cancer. and everybody. And a study published in the British Medical Journal, Open stated that the consequence Dr. Victor Zeines: But the point is people do of periodontal disease can be more severe brush. You know it is not like you walk in
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and they have to go, you see this? This is a toothbrush; you need to use this. People brush their teeth. People are good about that. And they will always walk out and they say gee, you know I do everything she says and I am still getting plague. And you hear that commonly.
if you are going to fight a war, it is not good to have dead sailors on your ship. You want people alive so they can kill Nadine: No. Dr. Victor Zeines: and make the people on the other ships dead. And what they noticed was that the officers were not getting sick and they were eating fresh fruits every day. So what they decided to do was to give the sailors limes. And lo and behold it cured the problem. And to this day British sailors are still called limeys. That is where it came from.
And the reason that that is commonly mentioned is because the plague that is developing has very little to do with your brushing and your flossing. It is really happening because the acid base in your whole body is off. You are too acidic. So what happens is a few things. Because your Nadine: Gosh. mouth is too acidic, the minerals in the saliva precipitate out, going on the teeth and that is Dr. Victor Zeines: We would say now that we are treating advanced periodontal disease the beginning of the plague formation. through the use of organic bioflavonoids. The bad bacteria that are usually there in small numbers are now proliferating because Nadine: Right. Okay. That makes sense. the environment is much better for them. So Dr. Victor Zeines: By eating fresh organic they start growing and they start forming fruit, you know. And getting people a lot these mats of bacteria that hide underneath more alkaline. That is really what happens those minerals, which actually protect them when you eat a lot of limes. and they all start spewing out toxins. And as this goes more and more, it goes underneath Nadine: Right. So the lime the gum tissue and Walla you have gum Dr. Victor Zeines: Yes. I tell people now if you disease. really want to get alkaline and get rid of a Now just so you know, to make it even better, lot of garbage in your body, take five lemons 80% of our population that is eight out of and I do it with a quart of seltzer and you every ten people listening to this, have some drink it daily for like a week. And you will form of gum disease. And a great many do be amazed how different you will feel by the not even know it because you can have this end of the week. and not have bleeding gums and not have Nadine: Great. So it is just about making the pain. blood alkaline. And anything to do with the vitamin C? Nadine: Wow. Dr. Victor Zeines: Yes. But not not as much as just the alkalinity of the whole thing. I Nadine: Yes. Yes. I would. Tell us more. mean a vitamin C is good, but I am assuming Dr. Victor Zeines: And this is not really a new that people who are getting healthy are thing. The British Navy noticed in the 17th taking supplements because you will never Century when they were going to war with get healthy without that. You cannot do it Spain that their sailors would start bleeding by foods. from the mouth, losing teeth and dying. And Dr. Victor Zeines: Would you like more?
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And if you get 40% of what you need from that food you are doing well. So I am a big proponent of supplements for that very reason.
summertime, let us say for two months, the rest of the time you are not getting food that is fresh. It is at least two weeks old. And if you get 40% of what you need from that food you are doing well. So I am a big proponent of supplements for that very reason.
Nadine: Yes. That is so true. We definitely need to supplement what is going on with food. And then also with gum tissue, Nadine: Yes. Not at that this day and age. because this is really a big issue because Dr. Victor Zeines: No. We were at a lecture a again, it is eight out of ten people and it is couple days ago and we were talking about sort of the beginning of things going wrong that and a comment and they were talking in the mouth. And then a lot of people have oh, well you are organic and you do this and issues right now it is pretty big, is the gum you do that. And I did not mean to, but I just pockets, you know they go down to like eight, kind of did a small laugh, you know like you nine, ten. kind of hold back. And they turned and said what are you laughing about? And I said Dr. Victor Zeines: Yes. okay, let us do it this way. Nadine: Yes. And then what about like Let us say that you have the best diet in the receding I know it is related to receding world and you are eating perfect food that gums, but how can one if somebodys does not exist on this planet. But let us say if a dentist has said well, now you have got you are eating perfect food that is grown in receding gums, you have got to have surgery. soil that has all the minerals and everything What would you suggest? that is needed to grow perfect food, even Dr. Victor Zeines: My first question would be though that really has not existed in the U.S. how come your dentist did not mention this since 1923, and you have no pollution and to you before you needed the surgery? you have no stress in your life. Nadine: Good point. I have two questions. My first question is I want to know how you are doing it so I can Dr. Victor Zeines: But that is another story. do it. The second question, and probably Nadine: Yes, it is. more important is are you ready? Dr. Victor Zeines: Receding gums are not Nadine: Yes. really receding gums; it is bone loss. The Dr. Victor Zeines: How old is your food? And gum tissue is just following the bone, which people go what do you mean? How old is are for whatever reason disappearing. And your food? You know when you go to the the reason they are disappearing is because health food store, do they run out the back the bacteria have gone in those pockets that door and just pick it and hand it to you? Oh, you mentioned no. It comes in by truck. And as soon as they start saying the word truck, it is like they Nadine: Yes. light up and go, oh. Dr. Victor Zeines: and they spew out toxins Because if you are lucky, aside from going and the toxins destroy the bone. to farmers markets occasionally in the Nadine: Wow.
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Dr. Victor Zeines: Oh, it gets worse. Those toxins also go into the body itself and cause the liver to form C-reactive proteins. And that is in response to inflammation. And here is what you should know about that gum disease increases C-reactive protein levels, therefore increasing the risk of heart attacks. The higher your C-reactive protein levels are, the more prone you are to heart attacks. Nadine: True. Dr. Victor Zeines: It is more of an indicator than cholesterol levels. Nadine: Yes. Dr. Victor Zeines: More gum disease more C-reactive protein levels. It is all about inflammation and that is what happens when you get gum disease. It starts spewing things into the rest of the body and just elevating the inflammatory response, which is exactly what you do not want to have happen if you plan on staying healthy and living a longer life. You know we have the three books, The Healthy Mouth Healthy Body, which is really tells you what to do for your mouth. And then Living a Longer Life is really about how to eat and detox so you can live better. And the tongue one is really to give you a way of measuring what you are doing. And I say tongue and cheek to people, you know if you read the three books and you do what we say, if they do not add ten years to your life, you write us and we will give you a full refund. Yes, exactly. But there is a lot of truth to that on one level. You know because and we are not talking about rocket science, we are talking about hey, maybe you should not go to McDonalds three or four nights a week. Maybe the processed food is not such a good idea or microwaving your food then makes it non-food. And the list goes on and on. And as dentists we really should be in the forefront of doing that for people.
Nadine: Absolutely. Dr. Victor Zeines: And we have not even talked about the toxicity of mercury fillings and things like that. That is a whole other story. Nadine: That is true. And before we move away from the gums, I just feel like too I mean in my when I am my body, when I am imagining what you are saying. And these delicate gum tissues and the receding gums. To me, just the idea of like the harsh Scope and all those, you know things from the drug store that we are supposed to use on our teeth, I just feel like that must aggravate Dr. Victor Zeines: No, no, no, wait, wait, wait. Wait, wait stop. Nobody said you were supposed to use those. Nadine: No. Well, the dentists do. Dr. Victor Zeines: No. No. Listen to you said that and you just came up with a very good point. It is called TV. Nadine: Yes. Dr. Victor Zeines: You know if you watch TV and you want to get a pencil and paper you could try this, it is a very interesting thing to do you will notice that there is something like 25 to 40% of all the commercials are about drugs. And they are not there to healthy. They are there to make sure you stay chronically ill so you can support the pharmaceutical industry whose one goal in life is to sell you things that will not cure you, not kill you, but will keep you in a constant state of unhealthy forever so that they can make money forever off of you. And you really said it when you just said well, you are supposed to have this. Because that is the way we are thinking. You know you see all these commercials about that stuff oh, yes, I have got to go and get Crest or one of those. But then if you get a bottle of a
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tube of Crest, take a look at the bottle and it says on it if you ingest more than a peasized amount you should go see your poison control center. Nadine: I know. It is ludicrous. Dr. Victor Zeines: And we are talking about and you read that and you go okay, but wait minute, we are talking about toothpaste. This is something I have to put in my mouth and I give my kids, and you say if we take a little bit more than that we have to go to the poison control center. And yet you make it sweet so my kids will take more and what are you people crazy? I mean really.
Dr. Victor Zeines: I would have a if we were talking privately I would have a comment about that in terms of their holistic dental skills. But I will not mention it let us put it that way and we will let it go at that. Nadine: Yes.
Dr. Victor Zeines: It seems if you are going to treat people holistically you really need to have an awareness of what you are doing. And somehow giving Crest to people is not really part of that awareness. I mean a very good way to brush your teeth is to use those little proxy brushes that go in between the gums and the teeth and use a dash of oregano oil. That is a and just a little bit You know people ask me what kind of because it will burn. It is strong if you use toothpaste should I use, you know. And I say too much. But just a little bit of it will kill a really what you should do is get whatever lot of things. [inaudible] from the health food store that does not say if you ingest more than this little Nadine: Yes. It is an awesome antibacterial amount, you have to go to a poison control oil. center. Dr. Victor Zeines: Yes. Yes. Nadine: Absolutely. Nadine: So, in dentistry, what do you think Dr. Victor Zeines: Anything that does not are the most harmful practices of common have that is what you should use. The rest of dentistry, and then what are the fun things it is up to you. that you do instead? Nadine: There are holistic dentists unfortunately that I have seen just like saying okay, here you go out the door, thanks for coming. Here is your tube of Crest. It is just a long way to go. Dr. Victor Zeines: The fun things, huh? Okay. I do not I would not really say it is a lot of harmful things that people do because they are in their box. I mean dentists are trying to do the right thing. Nadine: Yes. Dr. Victor Zeines: It is a question of training. I mean take mercury fillings. Mercury fillings are toxic. They are banned in a lot of countries in Europe. NYU just removed them from their curriculum; they no longer will put mercury fillings in. But to a lot of dentists out there, they are good and that is really what they believe and that is what they were taught and that is it. It is just that they are not thinking out of that little box. And that is where a lot of people stay.
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What we do now is so what we do now we do a lot of mercury replacement in my office. Not because it is toxic, but because people come in and they want them replaced because they do not like the way they look. Nadine: Yes. Dr. Victor Zeines: We cannot go around telling you know telling patients you have to have this replaced because it is toxic; it is not the standard of care by the ADA.
Dr. Victor Zeines: The Cure and Prevention of All Cancers. Well she has a whole section on dentistry, on how she found that a lot of dental products were contaminated. And I wound up because I work with a naturopath who specializes in cancer, having my materials tested until we finally found stuff that was clean. And that is what we use now. Nadine: Oh, that is great.
Dr. Victor Zeines: But it is a different way of looking at things and that is really what has Nadine: Right. to change. You know it is not oh, you have Dr. Victor Zeines: But if somebody comes in six cavities or you have gum disease. We are and says, look, I read about this and I do not going to do the surgery or we are going to want these things in my mouth, then we can put fillings in or porcelain restorations, which is my preference because they are inert take them out, which is what happens. chemically. But it is well, wait why are you Nadine: Right. getting these things? Dr. Victor Zeines: Now, what we also do is Nadine: Yes. we have people go on a mercury protocol Dr. Victor Zeines: That is what we need before we do anything. to work on. We want to get you healthy Nadine: That is great. because really what is going on in the mouth Dr. Victor Zeines: And that you can look up on is symptomatic of what is going on in your my website, which is n-a-t-d-e-n-t.com. And body. My take on gum disease is it is not so you have to go on that for at least a week much of a disease as it is to me, the first stages before we will start taking mercury out. And of nutritional imbalances and deficiencies we have special suction machines that we Nadine: Yes. use so it does not come back in your system. Dr. Victor Zeines: and this is the way it is Nadine: Perfect. showing up. So if we can fix that and then Dr. Victor Zeines: And I get a number of instead of surgery, 99% of the time we can referrals from M.D.s that want their patients use lasers or ozone therapy and get people to have the stuff removed. It is just a it is not healthy. Well, that is a whole different ball the things that I would say are harmful, I say game. And that is the fun part. it is just a different way of looking at things. It is one thing to make a crown for someone and I do a lot of cosmetic dentistry. And even on that level there is a lot of things in dentistry that are not as healthy as they can be and you have really got to test your materials. Because we work also with a fair number of cancer people and there is a book out by oh, what is her name? Hulda Clark Nadine: Yes. Nadine: Yes. That is the fun part. Dr. Victor Zeines: Yes. Nadine: And then what do you think of things like I think what seems to be a problem for some people and then back to the gum recession again, is some dentists feel that it is the grinding and the TMJ issues that also create irritation with the gums.
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Dr. Victor Zeines: Quite true. It is. Now when you open and close your mouth, the TMJ, that lower it is the temporomandibular joint, it is the joint that your lower jawbone sits in. That joint area is also related to the small intestine meridian. And it is also connected to stress. Nadine: Yes.
Dr. Victor Zeines: Well, think about that and think instead of you are sleeping, this is going on all the time and you are not really aware of it because it is not it is subtle and then all of a sudden it is fixed and boom. You feel much better. And then all of a sudden people test way better kinesiologically when we are done with that.
Dr. Victor Zeines: So that is a spot you know Nadine: Oh, that is awesome. And speaking that expression grin and bear it? of extractions, what are your thoughts on cavitations and what lurks beneath any Nadine: Yes. extracted tooth? Dr. Victor Zeines: Well, that is where you grin and bear it, right up in that area. And what Dr. Victor Zeines: Well, if you do not address happens is you start grinding your teeth and the proper way of taking out a tooth, you yes, it will cause problems. Now another can develop cavitations. What happens is reason for grinding teeth is because you have once a tooth is out, there is a membrane that dissimilar metals in your mouth and that can surrounds it and you have got to clean that actually set up a low-grade electrical charge out as well because if you do not, the body that consciously you will not be aware of. in many instances does not realize that the But unconsciously you are and you will grind tooth is removed. So it just covers the top your teeth together to actually attempt to with gum tissue and that hole just stays there and festers and becomes ground the charge. Nadine: Oh, wow. Nadine: Yes.
Dr. Victor Zeines: Yes. So there are two things Dr. Victor Zeines: what you call a cavitation. It is the monster in the cellar, you know you have got to look at when that happens. because you will be Nadine: Is it also perhaps from having like wisdom teeth extracted, or like just the whole Nadine: Oh, yes. bite being off? Dr. Victor Zeines: Yes. I mean the first thing Now when you open and when people come in the office these days, close your mouth, the TMJ, we test them kinesiologically for the joint and we balance them. And then we do bite that lower it is the adjustments and it is amazing how that can temporomandibular joint, it really balance somebody out. All of sudden they go gee, whatever you did, my whole is the joint that your lower mouth feels a lot better I feel better. And, jawbone sits in. you know these are such simple little things and yet they make a big difference. Kind of Dr. Victor Zeines: doing probing and like the story The Princess and The Pea. thinking you have healthy tissue and all of a Nadine: Yes. sudden the probe will just drop down. It is like a big empty space because there is not
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anything underneath that. And the problem Dr. Victor Zeines: To a point. with these things is a lot in most cases they Nadine: Yes. To a point. Because nothing do not show up on X-rays. can really get in there, can it? Nadine: Right. Right. Now, if you want to know if you have a cavitation, can it be simple Dr. Victor Zeines: Well, sure, of course you probing? Or does that small incision have to can you can just inject ozone into those things, which kills everything. be made? Nadine: Oh, yes. Okay. Right. So if somebody Dr. Victor Zeines: Either, or did have a jaw cavitation would you like Nadine: Okay. scrape it out and do that sort of Hal Huggins protocol, or would you inject it with ozone? Dr. Victor Zeines: depending upon the person. Dr. Victor Zeines: I would scrape it out and infect it with ozone. Nadine: And is your like have you found that you if any like what is your percentage Nadine: Either, or or both. Okay. Yes. That or like general percentage do you feel that if makes sense. Covers it all. people have had an extraction that they have Dr. Victor Zeines: Yes. a cavitation festering beneath that? Dr. Victor Zeines: A fair amount a fair Nadine: So on a daily basis, including nutrition needs and I know you have talked about amount of patients have that. some of this, but just maybe if you can give Nadine: Yes. like a daily program or suggestions for what people can do to optimally take care of their Dr. Victor Zeines: Now, I just I had somebody teeth and mouth. email me today from Riverside Riverside? Riverhead way out on Long Island. They Dr. Victor Zeines: 80% alkaline diet; 20% acid want to come in and get teeth out because diet. That being said, meat should be very it was recommended they go a biological low on your food chain. A China study was dentist and they had heard about me so they done where they used over 10,000 people in are going to come in and have that done so China and studied them and they said for they do not have to deal with cavitations. cancer but what we found out of that was that the more meat you eat over 10% of your Nadine: Right. diet, the more prone you are to get cancers. Dr. Victor Zeines: But if you have had teeth And when I say meat I am really talking about out and you have chronic fatigue or in organic general you do not feel as well as you think Nadine: Wild. you should and nothing is showing up Dr. Victor Zeines: wild meat. Not this crap Nadine: Yes. that gets Dr. Victor Zeines: it is quite possible that you Nadine: No. do have a cavitation and it is just affecting your entire system. Dr. Victor Zeines: you know used with genetically modified grains or whatever they Nadine: Right. And so if you can keep your use in these things and all the hormones. I immune system up, do you think you are able am talking about real meat. to affect that bacteria that is deep in that pocket? Or is it sort of a struggle?
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Nadine: Yes. I always suggest too, 100% grass finished
anyone he found. But these people also knew that certain insects were very rich in special foods at certain seasons. And the reds were Dr. Victor Zeines: Yes. valuable foods, so that they used ant eggs, bees, wasps, beetles, butterflies, crickets and Nadine: which is yes. termites termites by the way is a very good Dr. Victor Zeines: And out of the meat, you source of protein are better off eating fish than you are poultry or animal you know big mammals. So we Nadine: Wow. have meat like that, a lot of fresh fruits and Dr. Victor Zeines: for those who are not vegetables that should be 80% of your culturally offended by that. Unfortunately I diet and the other 20%, you know beans, et am, having grown up here. But if you can cetera, et cetera. This was actually studied past that, they are good food. Organ meat, in the 1930s by a man named Weston Price fish, butterfat and even the vegetarian groups who wrote a book you know about that? would eat these things during special times, Physical degeneration and nutrition? especially given a woman who was pregnant, you know they would have a lot of things like that. So this has been known for well, I want Dr. Victor Zeines: Yes. He went all around the to say almost a hundred years and it is still world and he studied primitive tribes to see being talked about; people still do not get it. what happens once they get civilized, shall Nadine: Yes. we say. Nadine: Yes, it is awesome. Dr. Victor Zeines: And if anything we have gone further away and further away because Dr. Victor Zeines: And he did a study to now we are really you know you have got compare just what went on because he felt all these fast food proliferation places now that dental health was a good indicator of and a population in this country that is really physical health. And in this country we have diseased. And the economics of it is just a decay rate of between 20 and 30%. And appalling. I mean we spend more money these tribes had decay rates of 5% or 0%. than any other country in the world, but we You know it is a whole different thing. are what 28th in the world in healthcare. Nadine: Yes. And what he found was that the Masai of Tankanika, some of the people from Ugandi, Watusi, which were a meat eating people, had diets rich in animals fats and they had a lot of fat-soluble vitamins and their they were quite healthy and their decay rate was about 5%. And then he found that he went to the vegetarian tribes, the Bantus and some other ones, and they also had a grouping of between five and 6%. Nadine: Yes. Dr. Victor Zeines: Seems [inaudible] crazy [inaudible]. Seems like maybe we should change the TV ads to like hey, do not go there, go home and grow carrots or something Nadine: Yes. Dr. Victor Zeines: you know and make yourself healthier. The rest of this is just nonsense.
But he also found that the healthiest tribe was one that was a Sudanese tribe called Nadine: Absolutely. That is so true. Yes, that the Dinkas, they had a much more balanced book is really amazing and the details of it diet and their decay rate was the lowest of are great. And I feel like it was just sort of in
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the right time before too many more cultures Nadine: Yes. got civilized, so to speak he was able to capture that information. So that was great. Dr. Victor Zeines: And I put them in three categories. If you are healthy and you have What you have a great dental practice and a good diet and your immune system is I am sure people fly in from around the world good, and you want to do the root canal for to come and see you. If somebody is unable whatever reason and it is done properly. For to come to your office, what do you suggest instance we use calcium compounds and we that flush them out with ozone before we finish them to make sure we get the bacteria out. Dr. Victor Zeines: I do not usually go to them. But it is still a dead tooth with dead tissue in Nadine: they would look for ? Yes. Great. your system and that is not going to change. And you want to do that and keep your Dr. Victor Zeines: No, go ahead. immune system up, okay? That is fine. Nadine: What do you think that somebody should ask their dentist? Because there are so many people dentists now that have holistic or mercury-free and I find that they are really not on that leading edge and they are worlds away from [inaudible]. Dr. Victor Zeines: No. buzzword. Nadine: Yes. Dr. Victor Zeines: I would just ask them, do you have a nutritional protocol. That is a simple that would be probably the best thing. Are you mercury-free? Well, would you take out mercury for me? And they go oh, sure, we would be happy to you know, all that. Well, okay, do you have a protocol? Nadine: Yes. It has become a If you have chronic fatigue, allergies, lots of things so that your health is not great, I would think long and hard about taking that tooth out. If you have cancer, AIDS or anything that is weakening your immune system, take it out. So it really depends on where you are in the spectrum of health. Now that being said, let us picture a big sponge and make a hole in that sponge. That hole is what we fill when we do a root canal. All those other little holes, they really stay like that and they do get full of bacteria. Nadine: Right. Dr. Victor Zeines: Now the only thing in defense of a root canal is when you use calcium compounds and ozone, it does flush out those little holes so that the tooth becomes a lot more alkaline and the ozone particularly gets rid of the bacteria that are in there. But they will come back.
Dr. Victor Zeines: And if the answer is protocol? What are you ? No. Then find someone else. Nadine: Right. Nadine: Great. Yes. Or what do you think about root canals?
Dr. Victor Zeines: Usually after a year or so. And the only way you can minimize that is to stay healthy and make sure your mouth Dr. Victor Zeines: Root canals. I do them is nice and alkaline. But you are living with on occasion. I am not a big fan, but some something that has the potential to become patients will not hear of taking teeth out. a problem later on in your life. Nadine: Right. Nadine: Yes. That is true. Dr. Victor Zeines: They are just not there.
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Dr. Victor Zeines: And particularly today, when we have zirconium implants, which are not toxic, they are a high-grade porcelain, I do not really see any reason why people would want to keep their teeth in. Now that being said, I had a patient last month who has cancer. And I told her I cannot will not with any sort of conscience do a root canal on you. And I said you really should have the tooth out and gave her a lot of evidence about it and told her if she did not take it out we would beat her. And she actually wound up going to a root canal specialist and had the root canals done. Nadine: Wow. And then it would not even I am sure they were not doing things like flushing it out with ozone. Dr. Victor Zeines: No. That is not that was not in the picture. But some people are unable psychologically to make that step Nadine: Yes. Dr. Victor Zeines: and take it out and she is one of them. Nadine: Yes.
And then a month later he called me back, he said well, you know that stuff that they did, well it is not working anymore. But they have this new stuff now and we are going to go see them. And it went on for eight months and she died. And I wanted to smack him in his head and say I told you, and I really I could be dead wrong, but I really believe in my heart in my deepest part of my heart that had she done some other things such as proteolytic enzyme therapy, things like that Nadine: Yes. Dr. Victor Zeines: she would be alive. Nadine: Yes. Dr. Victor Zeines: But he and when she was in hospice he called me up and I said look, you have got nothing to lose she has got what, maybe a week to live. You have got nothing to lose. I have a friend who does mushroom [inaudible] for cancer. Let him send it to you. He said okay. And I had my friend call him up to get the mushroom sent overnight and [inaudible] and people use them for cancer, you know. [Inaudible]. And he my friend called me back and said he he said no, he could not do it. And I realized
Dr. Victor Zeines: And sometimes you have to respect that too. You have got to give Nadine: Why? people information and then it is up to them. Dr. Victor Zeines: and I am annoyed with Nadine: Yes. At least you gave her an him because he is a friend of mine and he informed choice. lost his wife and he is you know he feels Dr. Victor Zeines: Yes. Like I know someone terrible about that. who is close to me actually, whose wife had Nadine: Yes. pancreatic cancer. And I said look, there are all these things you should do. And he is oh, Dr. Victor Zeines: But psychologically he no, we have got this chemotherapy guy and could not get out of the box of what this is great, they are doing DNA synthesis and, you know she is wonderful. And a Nadine: Yes. month later he called me and he said she is Dr. Victor Zeines: he was told by all these really doing well; this stuff is incredible. I said people in all these hospitals with all these it is not going to do it you really need to do machines and he simply could not take that these other things as well. step to go to the next level. And sometimes you have to respect that in people. I feel it
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is wrong; I feel it is foolish. I would never do that to myself. On the other hand, I do not know what my boxes are you know? I could go the other way and say hey, I am not going to do that, I am not going for surgery or chemotherapy. I am going to take vitamins, and you know that has a good and a bad as well. Look at Steve Jobs. Nadine: Yes. Dr. Victor Zeines: They said we could do surgery on your particular tumor and you will be fine. And he basically said oh, no. I am going to treat this naturally and boom. You know it did not work. Nadine: Yes. Well, again there is like about a thousand natural options too.
Even with root canals or root canals or mercury fillings and things like that, you know people have their own belief systems and you have to respect that as well.
Nadine: Oh, that is cool. Dr. Victor Zeines: Yes. That works out nice. Nadine: Yes. Do you ever use homeopathy for children, childrens cavities, childrens oral health? Dr. Victor Zeines: You mean instead of filling a tooth?
Dr. Victor Zeines: Yes. And you have to, you know find the one that is going to work for Nadine: Yes, or to get them rebalanced before you, which is a whole other story. I mean you would probably look at diet first or sometimes with toothaches or yes. Nadine: And for the specific cancer. Yes. That could be a whole five-hour phone call. Dr. Victor Zeines: We look at diets. That is my first look. I give them primarily I use Dr. Victor Zeines: Yes. Even with root canals or more Traumeel I think than anything in the root canals or mercury fillings and things like office. that, you know people have their own belief systems and you have to respect that as well. Nadine: And that, you use topically? Nadine: Absolutely. What about homeopathy Dr. Victor Zeines: No. I use it as the liquid. for like do you ever inject that into a root canal site, or how do you incorporate them Nadine: Oh. I thought it was only a cream. into your practice. Dr. Victor Zeines: Oh, no, no, no. Dr. Victor Zeines: We use a lot of Traumeel in Nadine: That is cool. the practice. Dr. Victor Zeines: No, the liquid and we just Nadine: Oh, cool. drop it in there and it works fine. Dr. Victor Zeines: Which I give people right Nadine: Cool. after we do any kind of treatment on them. We just give it to them. When we are doing Dr. Victor Zeines: [Inaudible] the way things a mercury removal we have homeopathic change with people. some specific remedies specific for mercury Nadine: Oh, that is awesome. that we give them. It is a whole spray bottle and they take it home. It is a combination Dr. Victor Zeines: I mean there are some you of a bunch of different herbs and that works can use for gum disease. Like Hypersol for out quite well.
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florinian phosphorcan, Hypericum again is good for that, which you will get actually in Traumeel. So that is why I like Traumeel the best because it has got such good things in it.
Nadine: Oh, that is so neat to know. What about the homeopathic tissue salts? Do you Dr. Victor Zeines: Mostly we do it using lasers ever work with those? . Dr. Victor Zeines: I like the liquids better, but yes, we do. The little pills. Nadine: Okay. Cool. Actually one for me one time I was eating a lot of pee pollen, which is quite acidic and so my enamel had changed a bit. And then luckily I ran into a friend of mine who is a naturopath and I somehow mentioned it and she is like oh, yes, I did that too, you know the week I ate a lot of bee pollen. And she had found that you know, you run into that a lot she had found that the Calc Fluor tissue salts were awesome. She took three tablets and you swish them in your mouth and you spit it out. So I did that for three days and then my enamel was all smooth again. Nadine: Okay. It is faster. Dr. Victor Zeines: and diets.
Nadine: So do you feel that once peoples, like their gums are receding and then it is really like a bone loss, are they able to heal the bone, stimulate bone growth through diet and oral care to turn that around?
Nadine: Oh, yes. And how do the lasers work? You do the area and then that stimulates that bone and the gums? Dr. Victor Zeines: Uh-huh. Nadine: Oh, that is great. Dr. Victor Zeines: The light actually it is nice healing people with light. It is kind of elegant in a way. Nadine: It is. Dr. Victor Zeines: But realistically what it does is the laser itself will kill the bacteria in the pockets and it actually does stimulate bone growth.
Dr. Victor Zeines: You would also be good to just do we have a little desensitizer, which is basically calcium, alfalfa, silica and horsetail. Nadine: Great. That sounds like a very fast And you blend those up and mix it together way too and then they can get a grip on their and use it as a mouth rinse. And that will also diet and if there is any TMJ that kind of remineralize your teeth. thing. Great. Nadine: Oh, that is brilliant. So what is it Dr. Victor Zeines: Yes, you have got to look at again? It is calcium, horsetail ? the whole Dr. Victor Zeines: Yes. Actually go to my Nadine: My last Oh. Yes. The whole picture. website, it is on there. My last question to you is if you could have Nadine: Oh, great. Perfect. And do you sell the tooth fairy put a message for children under their pillows, what would it be? that or do you just have the recipe? Dr. Victor Zeines: No, I just tell people go to the health food store and make it up. Nadine: Oh. Perfect. So that is at natdent. com. Dr. Victor Zeines: Yes. Dr. Victor Zeines: Eat veggies. Nadine: Okay. The green ones. Dr. Victor Zeines: And stay out of McDonalds and all those other stupid places. As far as I am concerned Ronald McDonald should be shot.
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Nadine: Well, you know he has the the know McDonalds did not exist in the 1930s actual man that was Ronald McDonald, the and I just clown has said please forgive me for my Dr. Victor Zeines: Nope. sins. Dr. Victor Zeines: Oh, good. All right. It is Nadine: I just wow, he would just be blown honest. It is honest; I will give him credit for away. that. Dr. Victor Zeines: Oh, I am sure. I am sure. It is a shame that it came to this, you know Nadine: Yes. when I was young they had Wonder Bread, Dr. Victor Zeines: But as you said it is a sin. It it builds your body eight ways. You do not is a sin I think what goes on with kids. And remember that you are too young. you know Nadine: No. I do not, but I do remember kind Nadine: Yes, it is amazing. I wonder what of the commercials. Weston Dr. Victor Zeines: Yes. It was the big Dr. Victor Zeines: just to let you you know commercials and what they neglected to say the three worst places to get food in this was, yes, we put eight added ingredients in country? there because we took this perfectly good bread and bleached the crap out of it and Nadine: What are they? made it whiter than snow. Took everything Dr. Victor Zeines: Prisons no, I am serious. out of it imaginable 42 nutrients and put eight back in. So you can eat that and it stays Prisons like paste in your intestines so by the time Nadine: I believe you. Yes. you are 30 years old no wonder you have digestive problems because all your intestinal Dr. Victor Zeines: hospitals villi are completely clogged up with this crap Nadine: Yes. that you spent your childhood eating. Good luck; God bless you. What? Dr. Victor Zeines: and schools. Nadine: Fills your body eight ways with toxins Nadine: Oh, yes. and gluten. Dr. Victor Zeines: And when you think of Dr. Victor Zeines: Right. Right. And we it, you go what? Say that again? All right, wonder why we have a sick population. prisons I understand hospitals and schools? Nadine: Absolutely. With all the high fructose Nadine: Yes. It is a crime. corn syrup and the GMOs, it is kind of crazy, Dr. Victor Zeines: And like I do not know what but I am happy that you are a light in this to say about that. It is like what are people world and hopefully we can get back on crazy? You know. Our young and our sick track. we do not know how to feed. And, you know dentistry you know we do need the care of our teeth and need to find Nadine: Yes. our way out of this chemical processed food Dr. Victor Zeines: That makes no sense to me. maze. So it is just wonderful that people Nadine: It does it does not make any sense. like yourself that have studied dentistry, I wonder what Dr. Weston Price because you you have been to the old school dentist
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school so to speak, and then you are able to think outside the box and really, you know put everything together and connect the systemic relationship of the health with the body. So that is wonderful. Thank you so much. Dr. Victor Zeines: Oh, it is a real pleasure.
Nadine: Thank you. Thank you, I think that was fun and Dr. Victor Zeines: That is good. Nadine: always something to learn. Dr. Victor Zeines: You know, where does this go ?
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Cavity Free Recipes to Light up your Dentine
Key Nutritional Guidelines
from Successful Self-Dentistry: How to Avoid the Dentist Without Ignoring Your Teeth, by Nadine Artemis
All grains, beans, and nuts must be soaked and fermented to remove and evolve phytic acid. Eat fresh, whole foods. Eat zero processed foods. Eat fruits and vegetables that are organic and grown in mineral-rich soils. Eat 1-2 tablespoons of fermented vegetables each day Eat herbs that are mineral-rich and made into smoothies and teas, like horsetail and nettles. Get sufficient sunlight or take Vitamin D3 supplements. Choose only wild caught fish Eliminate Wheat Organ meats are rich in vitamins and minerals (there are also high quality desiccated glandular supplements) For cooking only use real olive oil, grass-fed ghee or coconut oil. Avoid all vegetable oils (PUFAs poly unsaturated fatty acids aka corn and soy). Dress salads with raw organic oils of chia, pumpkin, and hemp. Vegans and Vegetarians be sure to get plenty of fat soluble vitamins (K2, D3 and A) Supplement with fermented Cod Liver Oil to heal cavities Eat grass fed unpasteurized ghee, butter, or K2 supplements. Animal foods are best wild or organic and 100% grass-finished pastured: organic dairy is best raw.
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Phytates in food are found among grains, beans, seeds, and nuts. Phytic acid, known as an anti-nutrient, tightly binds phosphorus and blocks its bioavailability. Phytic acid can also chelate and block other important minerals such as zinc, calcium, and iron, from the body and can inhibit enzymes that are needed to digest food. Thus, our ancestors in various indigenous cultures had many recipes that stone-ground, soaked and fermented grains, nuts, beans, and seeds. Stone grinding and fermenting foods is a lost art, and currently grains and cereals are often rancid and processed with bromine. Commerciallygrown foods, using synthetic phosphate fertilizers, contain higher amounts of phytic acid. Whole grains have more phytic acid than processed grains. If each meal of your daily diet revolves around grains, like oatmeal or cereal for breakfast, and rice for dinner, or if you are eating meat, eggs, and dairy that are grain-fed, you may need to reconsider what is nourishing your family1 . A cavityfree mouth has a pH of 7 corresponding to a healthier oral and body/gut ecology, and is further benefited by the availability and assimilation of fat soluble vitamins and minerals in the blood stream, which can be used by the body to re-mineralize the teeth. Melvin Page, DDS, author of many books, including Your Body Is Your Best Doctor2, discovered that tooth decay can be kept at bay when the calcium phosphorus ratio in the blood is 10:4 and blood sugar is at a healthy 85. Why is this? When blood sugar levels are too high it creates insulin resistance, which creates a state of inflammation in the body. Maintaining low daily glucose levels is a good way to have a positive impact on the health of our teeth and gums. Phosphorous levels in the blood should be maintained at a level above 3.5. If the phosphorus serum is above 3.5, the fluid
flows in a normal, healthy direction: up into the roots, nourishing the teeth like tree roots. This fluid flow creates nourishment and inner self-cleansing of all the tiny tubules. If, however, the level of phosphorous serum drops below 3.5 the fluid flow reverses going from the mouth to the tooth and into the bloodstream, resulting in decay. Dr. Melvin Page ran more than two thousand blood chemistry tests and discovered that no cavities occurred when the calcium to phosphorus ratio was in a proportion of 10 to 4 in the blood. Forty-two years later, the Department of Dental Research of the United States Air Force confirmed Dr. Pages findings of a calcium phosphorus ratio to be correct. Dr. Page also discerned from these tests that the blood sugar level should be approximately 85. Thus, the basic research of Dr. Page uncovered the knowledge that white sugar and refined carbohydrates increases serum calcium. Calcium is drawn from the bone tissue and is then carried in the serum calcium.3 With prolonged spikes in blood sugar, minerals, including calcium, are leeched from the bones, and the body begins to de-mineralize. This is tooth care that goes far beyond mere brushing of the teeth. You may be surprised to learn that tooth decay is not exclusively about sugar. In fact, if you put sugar on bacteria in a Petri dish the bacteria will not eat the sugar because it does not like sugar. Decay is not caused by sugar touching the teeth, but by sugar in the diet, which causes depletion in nutrition that can result in tooth decay. Sugar creates acidity in the mouth and intestinal tract, which is the opposite of what healthy saliva needs. It also leeches minerals from the teeth, bringing phosphorus and calcium levels into imbalance, which is a formula for decay.
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Refined sugar is also disruptive to the endocrine system, the hypothalamus, the adrenal glands, the pituitary glands, the pineal glands, and the hormonal secretions of cortisol, progesterone, DHEA, testosterone, and estrogen. In one well-known study4 , rats were given sugary soda to drink. It did not cause decay on the tooth, yet, in another part of the study, when they injected the rats stomachs with soda, the cavities started forming!
and the endocrine system, altering the flow of nutrients to the teeth. It is less than ideal for your teeth and gums when the internal environment has collapsed, the nutrition is absent, and there are a few generations of ancestors with depleted nutrition in your genealogy.
Teeth are created to be fed from the inside in order to nourish the dentin and the saliva. So, here is the best formula: no processed food, no white sugar, no white flour, no soda, The bottom line? All processed food can no saccharine, no high fructose corn syrup, lead to decay. The science is simple and can and absolutely zero convenience store foods be summed up in one sentence: processed zero! and refined foods can disrupt the digestion
Wheat and grains contain lectins, anti-nutrients, which interfere with digestive/absorptive activities and can shift the balance in bacterial flora shown to cause problems with normal gut metabolism. When grains are consumed through animal foods omega 6/ omega 3 ratios are imbalanced.
2 2001,
Authors Choice Press Foundation for Nutrition & Health www.ifnh.org/Bio%20Page%20.htm
3 International 4 Huggins,
Why Raise Ugly kids, 1981:147
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Basic Recipes
Recipe for Preparing/Sprouting Beans
What you will need:
Z 1 large mason jar Z Cheese cloth Z Elastic band Z 1 cup organic mung beans, chickpeas, adzuki, or lentils Z 1/4 cup Kefir Starter or Kefir (vegan- use apple cider vinegar or lemon) Z Water Z Strainer
Directions:
1. Put beans in the strainer and rinse. 2. Put in the jar, cover with 2 cups water and the kefir starter, kefir, lemon or apple cider vinegar. Let this soak overnight (or 8 hours). 3. In the morning drain the water and rinse the beans. 4. Put the beans back in the jar and place cheese cloth over lid and secure with elastic. 5. Turn jar upside down and leave on the counter (I usually put it in my dish rack to catch the extra water). 6. Rinse the beans every 5-8 hours to avoid bacterial growth. This is good to do in the morning when you wake up and then again in the evening around dinner time and then again before you go to sleep. 7. Mung beans and lentils will sprout in 1-2 days depending on the temperature. The warmer it is inside, the quicker they sprout. Chickpeas usually take a little bit longer to sprout. 8. You can continue this process for 1-3 days, until the beans are sprouted. 9. You can eat them when they are small (after 1-2 days) or wait until the roots grow big (2-5 days). Rinse before eating and be sure to store in the fridge. Eat within 1 week.
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Recipe for Preparing/Soaked/Fermented Grains
What you will need:
Z 1 bowl Z 1 cup organic millet, buckwheat, quinoa or wild rice Z 1/4 cup Kefir Starter or Kefir (vegan- use apple cider vinegar or lemon) Z Water Z Strainer
Directions:
1. Rinse off the grain, making sure to remove any stones. 2. Soak the grain for 8 - 24 hours in some water. Add 2-3 Tbsp of kefir or kefir starter (or vegan alternative) Soaking grains removes the phytic acid, which is a substance that binds to minerals and enzymes in the grains (and beans), making it more difficult to digest them. The healthy bacteria in kefir helps to pre-digest the grains, which makes it easier for you to digest! 3. Drain the grain. 4. In a pot combine the grain and twice as much water. IE- cup grain, would be cooked with 1 cup of water 5. Bring to a boil and then reduce to simmer. Cover and simmer for 10-25 minutes, depending on the grain. 6. Fluff with a fork, season with sea salt if desired, or use in recipes.
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Recipe for Soaking Seeds and Nuts
What you will need:
Z 1 bowl Z 1/4 cup seeds or nuts of your choice (almonds, walnuts, pecans, pinenuts, pumpkin seeds, etc.) Z Water Z 1 tsp sea salt
Directions:
1. Place your nuts or seeds in a bowl. Cover with water and add the sea salt. 2. Allow the nuts to sit overnight on the counter (make sure it is cool and dry in the air). 3. Use your nuts and seeds the next day. Drain the water off. 4. If you are not going to eat them all that day, make sure you dry them completely and then store in the refrigerator in an airtight container. It is best to use within 1 day of soaking, especially if they are not dried. 5. You can dry nuts in a food dehydrator or let them air dry. You can also dry them in an oven at a very low temperature, 150, over the course of 4-8 hours, depending on the type of nut (Be careful not to burn them).
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Home-made Sauerkraut
Add into meals You can eat a few spoonfuls of sauerkraut as a fermented food, full of beneficial bacteria.
What you will need:
Z 1 medium cabbage, cored and shredded Z 1 Tbsp caraway seeds Z 1 Tbsp sea salt Z 4 Tbsps whey (or apple cider vinegar or lemon juice)
Directions:
1. Core the cabbage and shred finely. 2. Mix the cabbage with caraway seeds, sea salt, and whey in a large bowl. You will want to pound this mixture with a wooden pounder or spoon for 10 minutes, to help release the juices from the cabbage. 3. Pour the cabbages into a mason jar. Pound down again, until the juices fully cover the cabbage. If for some reason the cabbage is not covered, add a little bit water mixed with whey or apple cider vinegar. 4. Cover immediately and keep at room temperature for 3 days. You can then transfer to the refrigerator to store for a long time. 5. The saurerkraut can be eaten after 3 days, although it improves as it ages.
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Breakfast
Morning Routine
Drink a large glass of water upon waking, with lemon juice. Drink nettle tea. Or drink a glass of water with green powder to boost alkalinity in your body. Go to the bathroom before eating breakfast. Fast for as long as you can before eating. When you feel yourself getting hungry, you can make a smoothie or eggs. It is always a super nutrition boost to add a handful of greens to your smoothie and whip up a green smoothie.
Monday Breakfast Hemp Bliss Smoothie
Tuesday Sprouted Buckwheat Cereal Or Spinach Eggs
Wednesday Chocolate Super Power Smoothie
Thursday Soaked Oat Cereal Or Spinach Eggs
Friday Chocolate Super Power Smoothie
Saturday Berry Chia Cereal Or Spinach Eggs
Sunday Chocolate Super Power Smoothie
Lunch
Kale Salad Avocado, Red Pepper and Arame Sage Sliders (Beef or Chickpea)
Leftover Sage Sliders
Sprouted Hummus + Veggies
Sprouted Rice Salad
leftover Sprouts Salad
Sprouted Hummus + Veggies
leftover Sprouted Quinoa and Fennel Tabouli Hearty Miso Soup
Dinner
Bone Broth Dilly Mustard or Vegetable Wild Fish or White Beans Broth with sprouted grains & vegetables
Sprouts Salad
Sprouted Quinoa and Fennel Tabouli
Dandelion Green Pesto on Wild Fish or Lentils
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Hemp Bliss Smoothie
Ingredients:
Z 2 cups coconut water or tea base (see recipe for tea base) Z 1 cup blackberries or blueberries Z 2 leaves of kale, ripped off stem Z 3 Tbsp hemp seeds Z 1/4 tsp herbs - horsetail or nettles (soaked overnight)
No Fruit Version
Z 2 cups coconut water or tea base (see recipe for tea base) Z 1 cup blackberries or blueberries Z 2 leaves of kale, ripped off stem Z 3 Tbsp hemp seeds Z 1/4 tsp herbs - horsetail or nettles (soaked overnight)
Directions:
1. Before going to bed at night, prepare your tea base and/or herbs. Add cup boiling water to 1/4 tsp powdered horsetail or nettles. Let steep over night. Or, alternatively you can prepare a tea base and use that instead of the coconut water. 2. Blend the tea base or coconut water and steeped herbs, berries, kale and hemp seeds until smooth.
Tea Base Recipe 1 tsp powdered herbs of your choice (chaga mushrooms, nettles, horsetail) handful goji berries
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Breakfast
Chocolate Super Power Smoothie
(David Wolfe inspired) Prepare the tea base and cashews before going to sleep the night before
Ingredients:
Z 1 cup coconut water and 1 cup tea base (see recipe for tea base) or 2 cups tea base Z handful organic cashews, soaked for 4 hours Z 2 Tbsp raw cacao powder or lacuma (this is optional) Z pinch cayenne (depending on how spicy you like it) Z 1-2 tsp maca powder Z 2 tsp raw honey Z handful organic spinach
Directions:
1. Before going to sleep at night, place your cashews in a bowl and cover with water. Also prepare your tea base, so that is ready in the morning. 2. In the morning, strain the cashews. 3. Blend everything together in the blender until creamy!
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Soaked Buckwheat Cereal
For breakfast the next day
Ingredients:
Z 1 cup raw buckwheat groats Z 1 cup milk of your choice (organic raw milk, home-made almond milk) Z 1 Tbsp chia seeds Z 2 tsp raw honey Z 1/4 tsp cinnamon Z 2 Tbsp toasted coconut (unsweetened) Z 2 Tbsp soaked pumpkin seeds or soaked sunflower seeds
Directions:
1. Before you go to bed at night, place your buckwheat groats in a bowl with water. Place the pumpkin seeds or sunflower seeds in a small bowl with some water as well. 2. In the morning, strain the buckwheat groats. Mix in the food processor with milk, honey, cinnamon and chia seeds. 3. Strain the pumpkin or sunflower seeds and set aside. 4. Pour into a bowl and add the pumpkin or sunflower seeds, toasted coconut, and berries on top.
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Breakfast
Scottish Oats (or Quinoa Flakes) Carrot Granola
Soak the Scottish Oats or Quinoa Flakes the night before Raw oats are available from www.rawguru.com
Ingredients:
Z 3 cups Scottish oats or quinoa flakes Z 3 cups warm water Z 1/4 cup kefir or yogurt (vegan version- use apple cider vinegar or lemon Z 1 cup dried, shredded coconut (unsweetened) Z 1 cup organic walnuts Z 1/4 cup organic pumpkin seeds Z 1/4 cup organic sunflower seeds Z 1 cup carrots, shredded Z 1/3 cup coconut oil Z 1/4 tsp sea salt
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Scottish Oats (or Quinoa Flakes) Carrot Granola
Soak the Scottish Oats or Quinoa Flakes the night before Raw oats are available from www.rawguru.com
Directions:
1. Place the oats or quinoa flakes, walnuts, pumpkin seeds, and sunflower seeds in a bowl with the kefir or yogurt (or lemon or apple cider vinegar) and the water. Cover and let sit on the counter overnight (8-24 hours). 2. Preheat the oven to 325. Or, if you are lucky enough to have a dehydrator and want to make a raw cereal, set at 150. 3. Add the coconut. 5. Lightly melt the coconut oil. Then mix with shredded carrots and sea salt. 6. Pour the liquid over the oat mixture and mix together. 7. Line your baking sheets or dehydrator trays with parchment paper and spread the mixture out. 8. Bake or dehydrate until crisp or to texture that you like. In the oven this will take about 20-30 minutes. If you are using your dehydrator it can take 8-12 hours. 9. Once ready, break into pieces. Serve with kefir, yogurt or raw milk, or your own homemade almond milk.
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Breakfast
Blackberry or Blueberry Chia Pudding
Prepare the almonds and chia seeds the night before
Ingredients:
Z 1 cup raw almonds, soaked for about 8hrs Z 3 cups water Z 3 cups fresh ripe blueberries or blackberries Z 2 Tbsp raw honey Z 1/4 cup chia seeds Z pinch Himalayan crystal salt or Celtic sea salt
Directions:
1. Before going to sleep at night, place your almonds in a bowl and cover with water and a ferment starter (1 Tbsp yogurt, kefir or apple cider vinegar). Soak the chia seeds in a bowl of water the night before, as well. 2. In the morning, strain the almonds. Blend the almonds with 3 cups water. Strain the liquid through a nut milk bag. 3. Blend the almond milk with 2 cups berries, dates and salt. Pour in a big bowl. 4. Slowly add the chia seeds, stirring with a whisk. Let stand for about 10 minutes, stirring occasionally and refrigerate. Best to refrigerate overnight but can be eaten after sitting 20 minutes in the fridge or on your counter. 5. Slice the remaining cup of strawberry and top each bowl with the sliced berries.
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Spinach Eggs
Ingredients:
Z 2 organic, farm fresh eggs Z 2 cups spinach Z handful sunflower seeds and pumpkin seeds (soaked) Z 1 tsp coconut oil or ghee (from grass fed cows) Z 2 tsp hemp oil Z sea salt
Directions:
1. Before going to sleep at night, place your sunflower seeds or pumpkin seeds in a bowl and cover with water. 2. In the morning, strain the seeds. 3. Heat the coconut oil or ghee in a pan. 4. Lightly saut the spinach for a minute, until it is slightly wilted. Carefully crack the eggs into the pan and cook for a few minutes (living the yolk whole and liquidy). 5. Place the eggs and spinach on a plate, top with sunflower seeds and pumpkin seeds. Drizzle hemp oil and spinkle sea salt over top.
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Lunch
Kale Salad with Avocado, Red Pepper and Arame
Ingredients:
Z 4 cups of kale (any kind), stems removed Z 1 red pepper, diced Z 1 avocado, diced Z 1/4 cup arame seaweed, soaked for 15 minutes in 1 cup water and well drained Z 1/2 cup cilantro, chopped Z 2 green onions, finely chopped Z large handful soaked nuts or seeds, of your choice Z 1/8 tsp sea salt Z 4 Tbsp lemon juice Z 3 Tbsp hemp or extra virgin olive oil Z 2 tsp raw honey
Directions:
1. Chop the kale into small pieces and place in a bowl. 2. Add lemon juice and sea salt and massage the kale with your hands to soften it. After a couple of minutes it will get a wilted, almost cooked texture. 3. Add the oil and if using the liquid sweetener and massage the kale a little longer. Let it marinate for about 5-10 minutes. Add the red pepper, avocado, soaked arame, cilantro and green onions as well as the remaining of the lemon juice. Toss to combine and adjust seasoning to taste.
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Sprouted Hummus
Prepare the almonds and chia seeds the night before
Ingredients:
Z 1 cup of sprouted chickpeas Z 1/4 cup raw, organic tahini Z 1/8 tsp cayenne pepper Z 1 tsp ground cumin Z 1 clove of garlic Z 4 Tbsp extra virgin olive oil Z 1 lemon, squeezed Z 1/4 - 1/2 cup water Z sea salt to taste
Directions:
1. Make sure you prepare and sprout your chickpeas a couple of days in advance to preparing your hummus. 2. In a food processor combine all of the ingredients and blend until desired consistency. 23 For a smoother consistency add more olive oil or water. Serve with a big green salad!! Or, if it is cold outside, serve with a plate of steamed veggies (greens, carrots, zucchini, and red pepper). You can also serve with sprouted corn tortillas.
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Lunch
Simple Sprouted Rice Salad
Ingredients:
Z 2 cups sprouted wild rice, drained Z 1 cup cherry tomatoes, halved Z 2 cloves garlic, minced Z 1 red pepper, diced Z 1 cucumber, chopped Z 2 cups sprouted legumes of choice (lentils, chickpeas, peas) Z 1/4 tsp sea salt Z 1 Tbsp extra virgin olive oil Z 2 Tbsp flax oil Z 1 Tbsp apple cider vinegar
Directions:
1. Cook the rice with 4 cups of water until water is absorbed and it is soft. 2. While the rice is cooking, chop the tomatoes, red pepper and cucumber. Mince the garlic. 3. Let the rice cool before combing with with the vegetables. Mix all ingredients together in a bowl.
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Dinner
Bone Broth or Vegetable Broth
This needs to be prepared over the weekend, when you have plenty of time for it to cook
Ingredients:
Z 5-6 pounds of bones from pastured, grass fed beef, bison, lamb, chicken or wild game Z 4 or more quarts filtered wateri Z 1/2 cup apple cider vinegar, or organic red wine Z 3 onions, coarsely chopped Z 3 carrots or beets coarsely chopped Z 3 celery sticks, coarsely chopped Z several sprigs of thyme, tied together Z 1 bunch parsley
Optional Additions:
Z 1 cup goji berries Z 1 cup of the roots codonopsis and/or ginseng (Chinese herbs)
Vegan/Vegetarian Version:
Instead of using bones, use more vegetables. Z 3-4 parsnips, chopped Z 2-3 more beets, chopped Z 2-3 more carrots, chopped Z large piece of seaweed, 5-7 inches in length (kelp or kombu)
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Dinner
Bone Broth or Vegetable Broth
Directions: 1. Place all of the bones in a large baking pan. You can leave meaty bits on the bones, or you can wash them off before placing on the baking pan. Bake in the oven at 350 degrees until well-browned (45 minutes to an hour). 2. Add the browned bones to the pot. Add additional water if needed to cover the bones. 3. Bring to a boil and add the apple cider vinegar and vegetables. Remove the scum/foam that rises to the top. 4. Reduce heat, cover and simmer for at least 12 hours, ideally 24 hours (Sally Fallon says up to 72 hours). You might need to add more water during this process to keep the bones covered. 5. Allow to cool. Remove the bones with a slotted spoon and/or tongs. Strain the stock into a large bowl, then ladle into wide mouth mason jars. Let the jars sit until they are pretty cool, then freeze or refrigerate. Leave the fat on top, as it is very valuable for nourishment.
Serve with steamed vegetables and some sprouted wild rice or quinoa. Or, serve with a salad.
Vegan/Vegetarian Version: 1. Combine all of the ingredients in a large soup pot. Add water to cover the vegetables well. 2. Bring to a boil and then reduce to a simmer. Simmer for 2-3 hours. 3. Allow to cool. Remove any of the vegetables that you do not want to eat (at this point, most of the minerals and vitamins have transferred into the broth, but the veggies still contain fiber).
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Sage Herbed Sliders (Ground Beef and Liver or Chickpea)
If you are making the vegetarian/vegan version, make sure you start sprouting your chickpeas 2-3 days in advance)
Ingredients:
Z 1/3 cup sage, chopped Z 1/3 cup basil, chopped Z 2 garlic cloves, minced Z 1 onion, chopped Z 2 tsp whole grain mustard Z 1 tsp sumac (or you can also use grated lemon zest) Z 1 tsp dried parsley Z 1/8 tsp sea salt Z 1 lb grass fed, organic ground beef Z 2-3 oz liver (from grass fed, organic beef liver)
Directions:
1. Cook the rice with 4 cups of water until water is absorbed and it is soft. 2. While the rice is cooking, chop the tomatoes, red pepper and cucumber. Mince the garlic. 3. Let the rice cool before combing with with the vegetables. Mix all ingredients together in a bowl.
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Sage Herbed Sliders (Ground Beef and Liver or Chickpea)
If you are making the vegetarian/vegan version, make sure you start sprouting your chickpeas 2-3 days in advance)
Directions:
1. Preheat the oven to 350. 2. Pulse the liver in the food processor so that it is ground and smooth. 3. Chop the onion and mince the garlic. Saute in a pan for a few minutes, using coconut oil. 4. In a large bowl, combine the ground lamb, smooth liver, onions and garlic, sage, basil, parsley, sumac, sea salt and mustard. Mix together. 5. Form into patties (they can be small or large, depending on your preference). 6. Use a roasting rack over a baking sheet, so that the grease can drip down from the burgers, while they are cooking. 7. Bake for 8-15 minutes, depending on how well done you like your meat.
Vegetarian/Vegan Version Substitute for the liver and lamb: 2 cups sprouted and cooked chickpeas 1/8 cup sunflower seeds, soaked overnight
Mash the chickpeas and sunflower seeds up in the food processor so they are chunky (dont blend them into a paste).
If it is winter- serve with spinach, kale or other greens sauteed with garlic, as well as some roasted squash or sweet potato. If it is summer- serve with a fresh green salad.
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Dilly Mustard Wild Caught Fish or White Beans with Kale Salad
If you are making the vegetarian/vegan version, make sure you start sprouting your white beans 2-3 days in advance)
Ingredients:
Z 1 or 2 filets of wild caught fish or 2 cups sprouted white beans Z 1/4 cup fresh dill, chopped Z 2 tsp whole grain mustard Z 2 tsp coconut oil, melted Z 1/4 tsp sea salt Z 3 cups kale, chopped Z 1 Tbsp olive oil or hemp oil Z 1/4 tsp sea salt Z 2 tsp apple cider vinegar
Directions:
1. Preheat oven to 350. 2. Mix together the mustard and coconut oil. 3. Place the trout out on a baking sheet. Or the white beans. 4. Spread the chopped dill over the fish. Sprinkle with sea salt and pour the marinade over top. If using white beans, toss the beans together with the dill, mustard, and coconut oil. 5. Bake for 10-12 minutes, until trout is cooked through. 6. Mix together the kale with dressing ingredients. Serve with the fish or white beans.
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Sprouts Salad
Make sure you soak your nuts or seeds the night before preparing this recipe.
Ingredients:
Z 1 cup sunflower sprouts Z 1 cup pea shoots Z 2 cups baby spinach Z 1/2 cup coarsely grated carrot Z 1/2 cup coarsely grated red radishes Z 1 cup shredded red or green cabbage Z large handful soaked nuts or seeds, of your choice (soak them overnight, the night before making this recipe)
Dressing Ingredients:
Z 3 Tbsp hemp oil or extra virgin olive oil Z 3 Tbsp lemon juice Z 1 Tbsp raw, organic tahini Z 2 tsp raw honey Z 1/8 tsp sea salt Z 1-2 tsp grated ginger Z Pure water if needed to achieve desired consistency
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Sprouts Salad
Directions: 1. Combine all salad ingredients in a large bowl. Set aside. 2. In a food processor (or do it in a small bowl), blend dressing ingredients until smooth. 3. Taste and adjust seasonings to your liking. Pour over salad. Toss. Serve.
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Make sure you soak the quinoa with ferment (kefir, yogurt, apple cider vinegar or lemon) over night, the night before you prepare this recipe. Soak the pinenuts overnight, the night before, as well. Begin sprouting chickpeas 2-3 days before you make this recipe.
Ingredients:
Z 1 cup soaked and fermented quinoa, drained Z 1 cup cherry tomatoes, halved Z 1 cup cucumber, chopped Z 1 cup fresh fennel, sliced or shaved thinly Z 1/2 cup fresh parsley, chopped Z 1/2 cup fresh cilantro, chopped Z 1 cup sprouted and cooked chickpeas Z 1/4 cup pinenuts, soaked Z 1 lemon, juiced Z 3 Tbsp hemp oil, pumpkin seed oil, or chia oil sea salt to taste Z 2 tsp honey
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Directions: 1. Cook the quinoa with 2 cups of water, until water is absorbed and it is soft. 2. While the quinoa is cooking, chop the vegetables. 3. Allow the quinoa to cool. 4. Mix all ingredients together in a large bowl, adding in the chickpeas, pinenuts, vegetables, quinoa and dressing ingredients.
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Soak the pinenuts or sunflower seeds overnight, the night before making this recipe If making the vegan/vegetarian version, make sure you sprout the lentils 2 days before you are ready to prepare this recipe.
Ingredients:
Z 2 cups dandelion greens, chopped Z 1 cup basil, chopped Z 2 cloves garlic, minced Z 3 Tbsp olive oil or flax oil (do not heat if you use flax oil) Z 1/4 cup soaked pinenuts or sunflower seeds Z 1/8 tsp sea salt or Himalayan rock salt Z 1/2 lemon, juiced Z 1 or 2 filets of wild caught or organic fish or 2 cups sprouted lentils Z 2 tsp apple cider vinegar
Serve with fresh salad greens of your choice. You can add lemon juice and hemp oil over the greens.
Directions:
1. Preheat the oven to 350. 2. Rinse off the fish and place in a baking sheet. 3. Squeeze some lemon juice over the fish and lightly sprinkle with sea salt. Or, if using lentils, mix them together with lemon juice. 4. Place the fish in the oven for 7-10 minutes, until cooked. 5. While the fish is cooking, prepare the Dandelion Green Pesto by blending all of the ingredients in a food processor.
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Directions: 1. Preheat the oven to 350. 2. Rinse off the fish and place in a baking sheet. 3. Squeeze some lemon juice over the fish and lightly sprinkle with sea salt. Or, if using lentils, mix them together with lemon juice. 4. Place the fish in the oven for 7-10 minutes, until cooked. 5. While the fish is cooking, prepare the Dandelion Green Pesto by blending all of the ingredients in a food processor. 6. Spread the pesto out over the fish. You can heat lightly for a few minutes if you prefer the pesto to be warm. *Do NOT heat the pesto up if you used flax oil.
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Hearty Miso Soup
Ingredients:
Z 2 tsp ghee or coconut oil Z 1 inch piece ginger root, sliced Z 1 small onion, chopped Z 1 clove garlic, chopped Z 3 cups kale, finely chopped Z 2 carrots, chopped Z 1 beet chopped Z 4 cups water Z 3-4 Tbsp miso (depending on how strong you prefer) Z 1-2 servings of protein of choice (organic grass fed beef, wild fish, sprouted beans/legumes)
Directions:
1. Saute the onions, garlic, and ginger on medium heat in oil for 2 minutes. Add in the carrots and beets. Add your protein (beef, fish or sprouted beans). 2. Add water and bring to a boil. Reduce to a simmer and cook for 15 minutes. 3. Add in the kale. Cook for 2 minutes. 4. Remove from heat. Stir in the miso.
The following recipe is the perfect meal on a cold winter night. With the earthy flavors of the parsnips and mushrooms, this stew is hardy and nutritious. If you do not have access to wild mushrooms of game meats, feel free to replace them with what is available. Pastured chicken thighs/legs, or grass-fed beef can be a healthy replacement for the venison. Feel free to add any edible mushroom you like to this meal, for it adds so much depth to the stew. Enjoy!
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Directions: 1. Preheat the oven to 350. 2. Rinse off the fish and place in a baking sheet. 3. Squeeze some lemon juice over the fish and lightly sprinkle with sea salt. Or, if using lentils, mix them together with lemon juice. 4. Place the fish in the oven for 7-10 minutes, until cooked. 5. While the fish is cooking, prepare the Dandelion Green Pesto by blending all of the ingredients in a food processor. 6. Spread the pesto out over the fish. You can heat lightly for a few minutes if you prefer the pesto to be warm. *Do NOT heat the pesto up if you used flax oil.
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Wild Venison + Parsnip Stew
Ingredients:
Z 2 pounds venison meat, cut into large chunks Z coconut oil for searing, up to 1/4 cup Z 1 large onion, cut into large chunks Z 4 medium sized parsnips, peeled, cut into 1/2 inch rounds (1 pound) Z 2 cups fresh or 1/2 oz dried mushrooms *Choose wild mushrooms if that is an option Z 2 medium sized carrots, peeled, cut into 1/2 inch rounds (1/2 pound) Z 2 Tbsp pomegranate concentrate (also called pomegranate molasses) Z 12 ounces red wine (If you wont drink, then dont cook with it!) Z 1/2 ounce dried mushrooms (shiitake, maitake, or other varieties to your liking) Z 2-3 strips of kelp, soaked for 30 minutes in water, rinsed, and roughly chopped Z 2 bay leaves Z 2 tsp dried thyme Z Spring Water, upwards of 2 quarts Z 1 Tbsp fresh chopped rosemary Z sea salt to taste Z fresh cracked black pepper
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Wild Venison + Parsnip Stew
Recipe notes: Before cooking, I always bring the meat to room temperature. This will ensure even cooking and will not cool down the pan while searing. Also, I take the time to sear off all the meat before proceeding with the remainder of the steps. This part is optional, especially if time is not on your side. I do find that taking the time to sear the meat adds a dpth of flavor and creates a better end result. So, do what works best for your situation.
Directions:
1. Once your meat is cut up, pat it dry with a towel. Coat the meat with a generous serving of sea salt and black pepper. 2. Get your pan of choice nice and hot then add a few Tablespoons of coconut oil to the pan. ( I am using 7 qt Cuisinart Cast Iron Pot ) 3. Add your stew meat, but do not overcrowd the pan. 4. Brown all sides of the meat before setting it aside to rest. 5. Once all the venison is browned, add in the mushrooms, onions, carrots and parsnips, stir, then cook for 3-4 minutes. 6. Add the seared meat back to the pot and stir in the pomegranate. 7. Now pour in the wine and allow it to reduce by half before adding stock or water just to cover the meat/veg mixture. 8. Add the kelp, herbs and seasonings, and bring to a simmer, cover, reduce heat to medium and gently simmer for a few hours. 9. Remember to stir the pot every 15 minutes or so. As the stew cooks down the liquid will thicken up and once complete, the meat will shred easy and fall apart. 10. Season with sea salt and the fresh rosemary. 11. Serve with a glass of red wine, sauerkraut, and enjoy!
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(NaturalNews) The well-known author and supporter of the raw-vegan lifestyle, David Wolfe (www.davidwolfe.com) states that, Calcium does not build bones. This is one of the biggest misconceptions ever. He states that silicon and magnesium are the keys to increasing bone density. So, stop taking calcium and start taking silicon and magnesium to increase your bone density. Foods that contain silicon include bell peppers, soybeans, leafy green vegetables, whole grains, alfalfa, beets, brown rice, rice bran, rice hulls, rolled oats, nettles, hemp leaf and horsetail.
Magnesium is found in nuts such as cashews, almonds, macadamia and cacao. Foods like halibut, avocados, oatmeal, baked potatoes and spinach also contain magnesium. Make sure you are adding plenty of green leafy vegetables to your diet, as they are foods rich in magnesium. They are also a good source for calcium and silicon. Raw chocolate and cacao are not only a great source of magnesium; they are also beneficial for the teeth, as chocolate destroys Streptococcus, the organism that causes cavities. According to David, the tooths worst enemy is sugar; chocolate is beneficial.
David Wolfes Super Foods

David recommends including super foods and herbs in your diet by adding them (in powder form) to meals or by brewing teas with these beneficial herbs and foods. He recommends 1-3 capsules of silica from horsetail extract daily. The herbs and super foods contain all the vitamin, mineral and protein requirements, glyconutrient requirements, essential fatty acid requirements, immune system requirements and more. Davids top super herbs include: vanilla bean, pau darco, cats claw, chanca piedra, camu camu berry and horsetail. David Wolfes Favorite Teas: 1. Horsetail, alfalfa, nettles and cats claw. 2. Gogi berry, vanilla, pau darco, cats claw, nettles and horsetail. According to Wolfe, They are amazing. 3. Goji berry, vanilla bean and pau darco. 4. Mushroom tea consisting of reishi and maitaki. Mushroom tea is made using the same method as is used for herbal teas; the herbs or the mushrooms are not boiled. How David Wolfe Makes His Teas: David slowly heats high-quality water (preferably spring water) to no more than 170 degrees Fahrenheit. When the water cools, he adds the herbs. He suggests using a stainless steel pot.
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Preparation of brown rice 1. Soak brown rice in dechlorinated water for 24 hours at room temperature, without changing the water. Reserve 10 percent of the soaking liquid (which should keep for a long time in the fridge). Discard soaking liquid and cook rice in fresh water. This will break down about 50 percent of the phytic acid. 2. The next time you make brown rice, use the same procedure as above with a fresh batch of dechlorinated water, but add the 10 percent soaking liquid from the last batch. This will break down about 65 percent percent of the phytic acid in 24 hours.
soaked overnight in clean water. The following morning the water should be thrown away, beans rinsed in clean water, and a second fresh batch of after is added and continue soaking. In the evening the second batch of water is thrown away, the beans are rinsed tin clean water again, and a third fresh batch of water is used to finally cook the beans. mandatory for any bean.
Next time you cooked any dry beans or peas, soak them 3 times first. Cook in the 4 th, clean water with handful of green weed leaves: dandelion, chickweed, lambs quarters. All legume seeds should be first soaked in water, 8 hours that water poured 3. Repeat the cycle of fresh water soaking with off, and 2 more, 8 hour soaked periods cone the previous 10 percent reserve. The process through before the seed is cooked in the 4 th will gradually improve until 96 percent or fresh water more of the phytic acid is degraded at 24 hours. The authors found that it took four Conclusion about germination/ sprouting: rounds to get to 96 percent. Source: Stephan Sprouting releases vitamins and makes Guyenet http://wholehealthsource.blogspot. grains and beans and seeds more digestible. com/2009/04/new-way-to-soak-brown- However it is a pre-fermentation step. It is not a complete process for making grains rice.html. digestible in itself. Consuming grains Fermenting beans / bean preparation regularly that are only sprouted will lead to Birds store seeds in the esophagus, and excess intake of phytic acid. squirrels and chipmunks have cheek pouches to ferment their nuts and seeds. Beans are Ramiel Nagel, Living With Phytic Acid, Article Published in Wise Traditions 2010
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Sourdough Teff Flatbread

Makes enough flatbreads for four people, with a few left over.
This recipe has two parts, and starts 24 hours before you make the breads. Combine the following ingredients in a large glass bowl:
Z 1 cup fresh ground teff flour Z 3/4 cups millet flour (you can use other flours too, for a total of 1 3/4 cups--all buck wheat is nice, as is equal parts teff, millet, sorghum, and amaranth) Z 1 3/4 cups water Z 2 cups boosted brown rice starter www.lifeisapalindrome.com/recipes/gluten-free-sourdough-starter Z 1 tsp salt
Stir this well, and put it in a warm place to ferment overnight. A day later, the batter will have risen (bubbled up) and fallen, and will be bubbly, especially when stirred, but will not have changed its volume measurably. Add the following to the fermented sponge:
Z 6-8 tbsp organic olive oil, coconut oil or grass-fed ghee Z up to 1/2 cup more water, only if needed, to make a thin batter.
Heat an ungreased, well-seasoned cast-iron pan over medium-low heat. Pour a small circle of batter into the center of the pan, and immediately swirl the pan like youre making a crepe. The batter will spread, and bubbles will immediately pop and leave a lacy pattern of holes. Cook until golden on the bottom--the flatbread should start to release from the pan--and then flip and cook until the bread is still flexible, or nearly crispy, depending on your preference. Flour from Flour of Life: www.bluemountainorganics.com/flouroflife/ Grain Mills www.pleasanthillgrain.com/index.aspx#Nutrimill
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Recommended Resources
Articles and Further Reading Charlie Brown
www.toxicteeth.org - Consumers for Dental Choice www.hugginsappliedhealing.com 1-866-948-4638 Hal Huggins office - Recourses to find dentists that are biological and will not use mercury. info@toxicteeth.org to get on an e-mail list of www.toxicteeth.org
Daniel Vitalis
www.findaspring.com - a free resource that helps people everywhere find fresh spring water www.surthrival.com - a business dedicated to producing regenerative metafoods.
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David Wolfe
www.thebestdayever.com - the online health magazine founded by David Wolfe. Longevity Now Program and the Longevity Now Conference inspire and empower people to take charge of their health. Fruit Tree Planning Foundation - a nonprofit organization founded by David Wolfe that strives to plant eight billion fruit trees. Books by David Wolfe: Super Foods: The Food and Medicine of the Future Amazing Grace, Naked Chocolate and Eating for Beauty. Neem Karoli Baba Yogi Tooth Truth Serum - the essential oil blend to replace traditional toothpaste. Sourse of vitamin K2: cheese and fermented natto Book Whole Body Dentistry connection between teeth and bodys meridians. Bob Decks magnetic pulser can be used in combination with a zapper right on the jaw. Nascent liquid iodine Lugols iodine Hydrogen peroxide Colloidal silver DMSO (need to use carefully and read books on this first!)
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Book by Dr. Kate: Vitamin K2 and the Calcium Paradox: How a Little-Known Vitamin Could Save Your life. Products:
Ghee from Pure Indian Foods Company Fermented butter from www.greenpastures.com. Fermented cod liver oil capsules Natto - fermented soybean food (vegetarian and vegan option)
Recommendations on the amount of K2 consumption (it will vary depending on how the food is produced): 200 micrograms of vitamin K2 per day
Four grass-fed egg yolks Butter (varied amounts) Fermented food (see a list in the book: Vitamin K2 and the Calcium Paradox) A few ounces of Brie cheese and Gouda cheese Natto - one or two servings of that a week.
Dr. Stuart Nunnally

Nunnally, Freeman and Owens - Dental practice in Marble Falls, Texas. www.healthysmilesforlife.com cone-beam CAT scan allows to see cavitations International Academy of Oral Medicine and Toxicology www.IAOMT.com International Academy of Biological Dentists Holistic Dental Association
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Dr. Hal Huggins

Huggins Applied Healing Dr. Hal Huggins institute that is an excellent resource with knowledgeable staff and the staff will gladly answer questions over the phone and can help you locate a qualified dentist in your area. www.drhuggins.com Phone numbers to call to find a dentist trained by Dr. Hal Huggins: 866-948-4638.
Books by Dr. Huggins:
Uninformed Consen: The Hidden Dangers of Dental Care It is all in Your Head: The Link Between Mercury, Amalgams and Illness What Makes Your Hormones Hum Solving the MS Mystery Why Raise Ugly Kids
Dr. Ralph Steinman at the University of Loma Linda Dental School published 70-some articles through the 1950s, 60s and 70s, showing that teeth are alive. Melvin Page down in Florida, who found that when the blood serum phosphorus level is below 3.5, you have dental decay. If it is above 3.5 you do not have dental decay. Dr. Arnie Lauretson Dr. Olympio Pinto in 1973 introduced Dr. Hal Huggins to the fact that mercury was poisonous.
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Dr. Lina Garcia

www.drlinagarcia.com - great articles on Dr. Garcias practice and holistic dentistry, including an interactive tooth meridian chart. www.drmercola.com
Book by Dr, Lina Garcia: Are Your Teeth Making You Sick? Holistic Dentistry in the 21st Century
Article by Dr. Lina Garcia: Has the Dental Work in your Mouth Turned you into a Walking Antenna? Dr. Leta Visole introduced Hal Huggins to mercury toxicity and invited Dr. Lina Garcia to work in his hospital in Rio, Brasil.
Patrick Timpone
www.oneradionetwork.com - One Radio Network, live radio that focuses on health, wealth and wellbeing. Cavitat machine can tell you if you have any cavitations Mortons pickling and canning salt Sea salt from Dr. Marshall 99.9% Purified Sodium Chloride Sodium ascorbate, a form of vitamin C, used for mouth rinsing like salt (sold at Whole Foods). Eden solar-dried sea SALT (really soft!) Baking soda/apple sider vinegar mouth volcano rinse Orthomolecular Journal - Dr. Nunnallys paper Buteyko breathing.
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Ramiel Nagel
Books by Ramiel Nagel: Cure Tooth Decay: Heal and Prevent Cavities with Nutrition. Ramiel Nagels tooth decay research has been featured in many media outlets: Nexus Magazine Fox Business News
Websites with an extensive Q&A section: www.curetoothdecay.com www.healingourchildren.org Baby bottle tooth decay Weston Prices book: Nutrition and Physical Degeneration.
Products recommended by Ramiel Nagel:
Source of Vitamin D: a teaspoon per day of Green Pastures fermented cod liver oil Source of Activator X: grass-fed butter (yellow color) on rapidly growing grass fish eggs
Recommended products for curing gum disease:
A food-based Vitamin C supplement (one to two teaspoons per day): Camu Camu acerola cherry sodium ascorbate to swishing with that might help gum disease. Use sea salt and rinse the mouth twice a day. Fat-soluble vitaminds A and D, that stimulates nerve growth factors and can stimulate
tissue regeneration, so fermented cod liver oil.
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Recommendations for treatment of tooth inflammation:
temporarily go off grains go off sugar have adequate protein (a raw animal protein can work really well). let the body rest eat easy to digest foods and nothing at all that is sweet. echinacea golden seal - put powdered echinacea right on a tooth or take it internally. add fat-soluble vitamin D to the diet (liver, butter)
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Contributors
Charlie Brown
Delving deep into tooth truth, is Charlie Brown, a legal hero in the crusade against mercury in dentistry. A force to be reckoned with, Charlie is a graduate of Yale Law School. He was twice elected as the Attorney General of the state of West Virginia, and he has argued a case before the US Supreme Court. He is the author of First Get Mad, then Get Justice: the Handbook for Crime Victims Charlie joins us as the key legal player in the world-wide movement to eliminate mercury amalgams. In a well-organized, multiyear campaign in the US, he brought mercury-free dentistry into the mainstream by challenging the three main agencies that protect the use of toxic metals in the mouth: the state dental boards, the American Dental Association and the FDA. In 2008, he bested the FDA in court, forcing it to include warnings on its website about the neurological risks of silver amalgams and to agree to write, under a deadline, an amalgam regulation. When the FDA reneged on the agreement, Mr. Brown led a powerful grassroots campaign that forced the FDA to reconsider its rule. Charlie Brown is the head of National Counsel of Consumers for Dental Choice, with a truly informative website, www.toxicteeth.org. He is also president of the World Alliance for Mercury-Free Dentistry, an assembly of non-governmental organizations from all over the world united to phase out amalgam across the planet. Visit Charlies website: www.toxicteeth.org
Daniel Vitalis
Get ready to take a walk on the wild side. Tuning our health to the rhythms of nature, Daniel Vitalis ancient wisdom will help us tap into our wild roots so that we may experience invincible health in alignment with our unique epigenetics and biological design. Daniel is a world leader in health and nutrition, and he is the creator of findaspring.com, a free resource that helps people everywhere find fresh spring water. He is also a founding member of surthrival.com, a business dedicated to producing regenerative metafoods. Things are going to get wild with Daniel as he enlightens us with his tooth-truth wisdom ancient foods and botanicals that feed the teeth and nourish our oral ecology. Visit Daniels website: www.danielvitalis.com
David Wolfe
You will have the best day ever if you spend time David Wolfe, the founder of the online health magazine TheBestDayEver.com is passionate about life and longevity. He is one of the worlds foremost authorities on natural health, beauty, longevity and superfoods. David earned a masters degree in nutrition, and he has a background in science and mechanical engineering. Over the past 18 years, David has dedicated his life to studying the inner workings, the delicate chemistry and hardcore mechanics of the human body and the impact of modern-day stressors of fast-paced, toxic lifestyles. Inspiring and empowering people to take charge of their health, David founded the Longevity Now Program and The Longevity Now Conference. He has appeared on hundreds of television programs, and his client list includes top CEOs, global ambassadors and Hollywood celebrities. David is the author of the best-selling books: Superfoods: The Food and Medicine of the Future Amazing Grace Naked Chocolate Eating for Beauty Davids down-to-earth and simple approach to life and wellbeing confirms that great health is in our own hands, and we DO have the power, right at our fingertips, to make new, better, choices about our lifestyle. Visit Davids website: www.davidwolfe.com
Kate Rheaume-Bleue
Dr. Kate Rheaume-Bleue knows bones, she is a doctor of naturopathic medicine, a former faculty member at the Canadian College of Naturopathic Medicine and an expert in the field of natural health. In 2011 she authored the book, Vitamin K2 and the Calcium Paradox: How a Little Known Vitamin Can Save Your Life. In this summit, Dr. Kate is going to tell us about her tooth truth findings: the little known vitamin that is essential for bone health. She will also dispel some of the widespread myths about calcium. Visit Kates website: www.doctorkatend.com
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Dr. Lina Garcia

Committed to modernizing the medical and dental paradigm, Dr. Lina Garcia is reforming the outdated mindset that the body is separate mechanical parts. Her mission is to lead the dental-medical field into treating each person as a whole-being. Dr. Garcia is a doctor of medical dentistry, a doctor of dental surgery and a trained cranial osteopath. She deeply understands the integral relationship between the health of our mouths and the health our bodies. At her Environmental Dental Practice associated with Dr. Mercolas Natural Health Center in South Barrington, Illinois, she offers cutting-edge dentistry without antibiotics, root canals, fluoride treatments or mercury fillings. She guides her patients toward optimal dental and overall wellbeing, employing an osteopathic physician and a nutritionist to support the health of the whole person. Brimming with tooth-truth information, including an interactive tooth meridian chart, Dr. Garcias website can be found at www.drlinagarcia.com. Dr. Garcia has been featured in Oprah Magazine and Radio One Network with Patrick Timpone. She is a regular contributor to Dr. Mercola.com, and shes even Dr. Mercolas dentist! She is currently finishing her first book, Are Your Teeth Making You Sick? Holistic Dentistry in the 21st Century. Dr. Garcia is going to give us a preview, today, of her research on alternative solutions to conventional dentistry. Visit Dr. Garcias website: www.drlinagarcia.com
Stuart Nunnally
Severe symptoms of mercury toxicity, manifesting as symptoms of ALS/ Lou Gehrigs disease, left dentist Stuart Nunnally unable to left his leg onto the curb of a sidewalk. These debilitating symptoms almost made him give up his dental practice. Luckily, he had the insight to consult with Dr. Hal Huggins, first. They discovered that 20 years of removing mercury from his patients mouths, as well as his own mercury fillings, were making him metaltoxic. Thanks to Dr. Huggins detoxing dental protocol, today Dr. Nunnally is in perfect health and maintains a thriving practice in Marble Falls, Texas. People fly in from around the world to have their dental work done at his practice, Nunnally, Freeman and Owens. I encourage you to visit his website www.healthysmilesforlife.com. They provide state of the art care using the latest advances in dental technology including digital x-rays, conscious sedation and metal-free restorations. His mission is to treat his patients in the most healthy, caring, holistic way possible and to share information about dental wellness with his patients so that they may make educated decisions about their oral health. In this summit, Dr. Nunnally is going to share with us his tooth truth philosophy of biological dentistry; You cannot be truly healthy without good oral health! Visit Stuarts website: www.healthysmilesforlife.com
Hal A. Huggins
A maverick mind guided by intelligent curiosity, Dr. Hal Huggins dared to challenge the standard procedure of modern dentistry, the drill and fill folly, and he is now heralded as the father of mercury free dentistry. His particular interest in the mouths connection to the body has inspired his lifetime pursuit of tooth truth. Dr. Huggins degrees in dentistry and immunology, along with 50 years of research in holistic medicine, supports his abundant knowledge of the relationships between the bodys blood, minerals, teeth, organ function, mercury toxicity and bacterial infections. Dr. Huggins has authored many fascinating and well titled books, including: Uninformed Consent: The Hidden Dangers of Dental Care Its All in Your Head: the Link Between Mercury Amalgams and Illness (which was challenged by the legal system 4 times and won each time) What Makes your Hormones Hum Solving the MS Mystery Why Raise Ugly Kids The Huggins Applied Healing Institute generously answers your questions over the phone, and they will help you locate a qualified dentist in your area. His website is drhuggins.com. Today, Dr. Huggins shall take us to the root of root canals and explain why he says: Do not leave your health in your dentists hands and assume all will be fine. Visit Hal Hugginss website: www.hugginsappliedhealing.com
Patrick Timpone
Patrick Timpone has been in radio since 1967 where he waited out the war playing Frank Sinatra records on Armed Forces Radio on Johnston Island, 50 miles south west of Hawaii. In 1978, he fell madly for a beautiful lady who had the most amazing clear blue eyes hed seen. And shed eaten a vegetarian diet since birth, which inspired Patricks quest into health. Since then he has been interviewing countless experts and constantly experimenting with his own diet and superfoods. Today Patricks diet consists primarily of whole foods. The spiritual, emotional, and mental connection to health is on the top of his interests. Patrick launched a show on One Radio Network in March of 2008. Visit Patricks website: www.oneradionetwork.com
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Ramiel Nagel
Father knows best! So, when Ramiels Nagels little girl started developing cavities early in life, he got passionate about tooth-truth. Rather than subject his one year old daughter to anesthesia and fillings, Mr. Nagel researched the underlying cause of cavities and searched for methods of healing them. He turned this research into a groundbreaking book, Cure Tooth Decay: Heal and Prevent Cavities with Nutrition. Ramiel is a dental health educator who imparts a treasure trove of wisdom about healing and preventing cavities with your everyday diet. His tooth decay research has been featured in many media outlets including Nexus Magazine and Fox Business News. He has two very informative websites: www.curetoothdecay.com and www.healingourchildren.org. In the spirit of service to all, Mr. Nagel shares how we can cure tooth decay with nutrition. Visit Ramiels website: www.curetoothdecay.com
Dr. Victor Zeines

As a dismayed tooth repairman turned private psychotherapist, Dr. Victor Zeines discovered that when you change your diet, you change your mood. Very interesting! he pondered, I wonder what else food can do? In perfect synchronicity, the universe dropped clues along his path to wholebody health; he heard Dr. Hal Huggins speak on mercury toxicity, and then he stumbled upon two key books: Diet and Disease by Dr. Emanuel Cheraskin and Nutrition and Physical Degeneration by Weston Price. Reinvigorated by tooth-truth, Dr. Zeines returned to dental practice armed with vitamins, and his clients and their teeth thrived. Opened to a whole new world of healing, Dr. Victor Zeines went on to earn a masters degree in nutrition and became a student of acupuncture, chiropractic care and kinesiology. He incorporates herbs and homeopathy into his dental practice. His offices have been mercury free for over twenty-five years. Today, Dr. Victor Zeines is a total health crusader, passionately speaking and writing about natural techniques that create healthy oral ecology. He is the author of three books: Healthy Mouth Healthy Body Living A Longer Life- Naturally Your Tongue Never Lies He contributed to Rodales The Herbal Drugstore and is one of the medical contributors to the film, Food Matters. You can hear Dr. Zeines on his radio show, Healthy Mouth, Healthy Body on NYTalkRadio.net. Visit Dr. Zeiness website: www.natdent.com
Nadine Artemis
Nadine Artemis is the author of Successful Self-Dentistry: How to Avoid the Dentist without ignoring your Teeth and the creator of Living Libations, an exquisite line of serums, elixirs and essentials oils for those seeking the purest botanical health and beauty products on the planet. An innovative aromacologist, Nadine develops immune enhancing formulas and medicinal blends for health and wellness: her potent dental drops are used worldwide and provide the purest oral care available. Nadine has been formulating health and beauty products since she was 18 years old, at that time she was able to find much in the field of alternative health, but there was a gap of information and options with dentistry. It was on an appointment with a wise dental hygienist, who spotting the beginning of a cavity did not summon the dentist. She instead encouraged me to, Go home and put some of the botanical oils you mix on this cavity and we shall take an x-ray next visit and see that it has evolved. This was the beginning of Nadines Healthy Gum Drops Serum which she applied daily until the next x-ray, in which the dental cavity was gone. What Nadine discovered, through her research on dental self-care (having teeth, this is a subject that interested her greatly) is that we were not really set up for successful oral care as children, and the reason is simple: our parents, even our dentists, were less-than knowledgeable about how to care for and feed our teeth and gums. Even if we brushed, flossed, and went to the dentist every six months as prescribed, we still got cavities and may have even have ended up with root canals, extractions, and other invasive procedures. Like many of us, author Nadine Artemis grew up with the belief that we need doctors to take care of our bodies and dentists to take care of our mouth. I developed the belief that the mouth is separate from the rest of the body, she explains. This system of treating symptoms creates a perpetual loop of appointments, medications, surgeries, scrapings, bridges, crowns, and fillings that never reaches the core underlying root causes of the symptoms, all leading to the statistic that 90% of sixty year olds will have 63% of their teeth missing, filled, or decayed. Visit Nadines website: www.livinglibations.com
Tera Warner
Tera Warner is the frisky founder of the worlds largest online resource of raw food cleansing and detoxification programs for women. Through her programs and events she invites a community of over 100,000 women around the world to pick up their parsley sprigs, and march, dance, sing, jump or fly along the path to vibrant living. Shes not got a string of acronyms after her name and fancy credentials, so dont bother looking for them. Shes a monkey-lovin mama doing her best to remind you that your self-worth is not measured by the size of your thighs or the width of your hips, but by the breadth of your dreams and the depth of your love.
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advocate widespread removal.

Nadine: Oh, wow.

So nature has a logic that fits together so to speak.

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combination with one another.

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certainly I do. Well, I honestly thought she meant cavities.

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at another chemistry, and then you decide what needs to be done.

Hal Huggins: Yes, unless you have your breast extracted

And this is the richest supply of bacteria.

Hal Huggins: Can I get back to you on that?

is still not it is terrible, but at the time I did not know.

promote remineralization of bones and also healthy organs.

That is not the point. But to

Nadine: Yes. I always suggest too, 100% grass finished

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Monday Breakfast Hemp Bliss Smoothie

Tuesday Sprouted Buckwheat Cereal Or Spinach Eggs

Wednesday Chocolate Super Power Smoothie

Thursday Soaked Oat Cereal Or Spinach Eggs

Friday Chocolate Super Power Smoothie

Saturday Berry Chia Cereal Or Spinach Eggs

Sunday Chocolate Super Power Smoothie

Leftover Sage Sliders

Sprouted Hummus + Veggies

Sprouted Rice Salad

leftover Sprouts Salad

Sprouted Hummus + Veggies

leftover Sprouted Quinoa and Fennel Tabouli Hearty Miso Soup