26 Jesus, Not God, Dies on the cross

Last updated 11/03/15 this study is 23 pages long

Introduction
There are two possibilities, either Jesus is God or he is not.
Option 1: Jesus is God and therefore God died on the cross.
Option 2: Jesus is not God and therefore God did not die on the cross.
I am going to prove that according to the OT predictions, biblical background and the account of Jesus death on the
cross, Jesus is not and cannot be God. For instance we cannot say that God was born and God died when he is eternal
and immortal. Christ is not eternal and was born, and so is able to die. Jesus took on the sins as he was able to sin, God
is perfect and so it would not make sense to take the blame for something it is impossible for him to do.
For those who say that Jesus is God, please send me the passages that say God is going to come and die Himself. I
cannot find them.
Index
From the Old Testament to the New
Part 1A
OT Prediction of Christs Death
Part 1B
OT The Crucifixion Curse
Part 2
Old covenant new covenant
Part 3
Why did Jesus have to die
God, Jesus and Sin
Part 4A
Part 4B

God cannot be related to sin

Jesus took on/in the sins of the world

Jesus the Ransom, Sacrifice and Reconciliation

Part 5A
Jesus is the Ransom
Part 5B
Jesus was the Sacrifice to God
Part 5C
Jesus Sacrifice is for our Reconciliation to God
Eternal God And Jesus Death
Part 6A
Eternal God without end
Part 6B
Jesus Dies on the Cross
Part 6C
Was Jesus separate from God
During Christs Death
Part 7A
How long was Jesus dead for?
Part 7B
Where was Jesus between Death and Resurrection?
After the Resurrection
Part 8A
Comparing the Death and Resurrection of Jesus with People
Part 8B
Jesus rises from the dead
Part 8C
Jesus after the Resurrection
P9 What was the point of it
Supporting truths with scriptures
From the Old Testament to the New

Part 1A Old testament prediction of Christs Death

What did the OT say about the death of Jesus, who did the OT say would die?

Isaiah 53:4-12 Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God,
smitten by him, and afflicted.
5
But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us
peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed.
6
We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the
iniquity of us all.
10
Yet it was the LORD's will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the LORD makes his life
(Nephesh/H5315) a guilt offering, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the LORD will
prosper in his hand.
11
After the suffering of his soul, he will see the light of life and be satisfied; by his knowledge my righteous
servant will justify many, and he will bear their iniquities.
12
Therefore I will give him a portion among the great, and he will divide the spoils with the strong, because he
poured out his life unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors. For he bore the sin of many, and made
intercession for the transgressors.
Quoted in Mark 15:4-5 and 27-28, Mathew 27:38 and 57-60, Romans 5
The prediction starts earlier in Isaiah 52:12 describing the servant of the LORD, and continues throughout Isaiah 54:117 which describes the LORD God as the savior of Christ, specifically vs1-8
The story is about the LORD God and about His servant, vs11, who was to come. Two of them, the LORD God and the
servant.
For those who don't know, the word LORD in all caps is from the Hebrew word YHWH. YHWH in lower case is
yhwh, with letter modifications to help pronunciation it becomes jhvh, and with our English vowell additions becomes
Jehovah. If you read all caps LORD in the bible it means YHWH/Jehovah, the name of the only true God of the bible.
Vs4 Jesus was smitten, stricken and afflicted by the LORD God.
Smitten: kill, slay, attack, conquer, subjugate, ravage, chastise, send judgment upon, punish, destroy.
This was the prophecy of what the LORD God would do to the servant Jesus Christ.
So we have Jesus being stricken, smitten, and afflicted, and the LORD God causing that.
The LORD God causing the anguish to another. The passage does not say He did it to Himself.
The very idea that God would do this to himself is a real problem, that God would conquer, subjugate and destroy
himself is really, beyond comprehension. The fact is God did not do this to himself, the passage says He did it to
another!
Vs5 Jesus was crucified for all people, he was pierced crushed and punished.
Vs6 Jesus took the blame for all our sins. This passage says the LORD God put the blame on Jesus, another being. It
does not say the LORD God took the blame, or that he "lay the iniquity of us all" on the LORD God. It just doesn't say
that. The passage says God put it on another being, otherwise we have two LORD Gods.
Vs10 The LORD God crushed Jesus and caused him to suffer. The LORD God did not crush and cause the LORD God
to suffer. He did it to another being.
The LORD God did not make the LORD God's life a guilt offering. He made another being's life a guilt offering.
Jesus' life, or Hebrew Nephesh/H5315 which in the ESV is usually translated "soul", was the guilt offering. Jesus
"soul" died. This is key to those who say that Jesus body died on the cross but his "soul" lived. It didn't, it died and was
resurrected.
The offspring is not the LORD God, the offspring is the offspring.
God will see his offspring (Jesus) and prolong his days is referring to Jesus being resurrected by God.
God does not need his own days prolonging as he is eternal, without end.
The will of the LORD prospers in "his" Jesus' hand.
Some say that "offspring" refers to those saved by his blood. The passage says prolong "his days" not "their days"
therefore this is unlikely. It also says "in his hand" which may not always be true of those saved by Jesus' blood.
Vs11 Jesus soul (Nephesh/H5315) suffered, besides Jesus body being in torment his soul also suffered.
God's righteous servant, suffered and took the blame for the sin of many. He bore our iniquities.

Iniquities, or sin, separates us from God (Isaiah 59:2). If Jesus is God and God is separated from God then we either
have two Gods or God without sin and God with sin which also seems like two Gods.
Vs12 Jesus is not God if he needs to be given a place among the great. God is already the greatest.
Jesus is not God if he died. God is eternal without end.
Jesus is not God if he bore the sin of many. Sin separates us from God, God cannot be separated from himself.
Jesus is not God if he intercedes for all us sinners. The interceder is not one of the parties they intercede for.
The notion that this passage be a prediction of Jesus andJesus is God implies that language, written biblical literature,
and logical reasoning means nothing.
Psalm 22:1 My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Why are you so far from saving me, from the words
of my groaning?
2 O my God, I cry by day, but you do not answer, and by night, but I find no rest.
4 In you our fathers trusted; they trusted, and you delivered them.
8 He trusts in the LORD; let him deliver him; let him rescue him, for he delights in him!
9 Yet you are he who took me from the womb; you made me trust you at my mothers breasts.
10 On you was I cast from my birth, and from my mothers womb you have been my God.
19 But you, O LORD, do not be far off! O you my help, come quickly to my aid!
20 Deliver my soul from the sword, my precious life from the power of the dog!
21 Save me from the mouth of the lion! You have rescued me from the horns of the wild oxen!
22 I will tell of your name to my brothers; in the midst of the congregation I will praise you:
Quoted in John 20:25-27, Luke 23:34-35, Mathew 27:35-36, 46
The entire Psalm 22:1-31 is an in depth prediction of the death of Christ on the cross. I have quoted the verses that go
against the idea of God coming and dying.
Vs1 God does not have a God otherwise we have two Gods. God is not forsaken by himself otherwise we have a God
in two halves/parts. God is not far away from God otherwise we have two Gods. God does not need saving as he is
God.
Vs2 Again, God does not have a God. God does not need another to answer him.
Vs4 Our fathers, Jesus had human fathers in Abraham and David etc. God does not have a human father.
Vs8 Jesus would not need to trust in the LORD if he is the LORD.
Vs9 God was not in Marys womb otherwise we have Mary as the mother of God etc.
God would not need taking from the womb
Vs10 Jesus was cast, which means a beginning. God was never cast or had a beginning. God does not have a God.
It says "from my mothers womb you have been my God," what about before that point? Did he have a God before that
point?
Vs19 God would not say O LORD do not be far off. Jesus cannot be LORD if the LORD can be far off.
God does not need help or aid
Vs20 God does not need delivering
Vs21 God does not need saving or rescuing
Vs22 God is not our brother, God is our Father. For those who say Jesus is God they are saying that God is our Father
and God is our brother, where as the OT clearly says God is our Father only. If God is our brother then that means he
was created by Himself just as we were. This is all nonsense.
Psalm 35:22-24 You have seen, O LORD; be not silent! O Lord, be not far from me!
23 Awake and rouse yourself for my vindication, for my cause, my God and my Lord!
24 Vindicate me, O LORD, my God, according to your righteousness, and let them not rejoice over me
This Psalm was written about David and may be a prophecy of Jesus death. If it is a prophecy then these three verses
make no sense if Jesus is God.
The LORD would not ask himself to not be far from himself.
God does not need vindicating.

God does not have a God and a Lord.

Isaiah 50-5-7 the Lord GOD has opened my ear, and I was not rebellious; I turned not backward.
6 I gave my back to those who strike, and my cheeks to those who pull out the beard; I hid not my face
from disgrace and spitting.
7 But the Lord GOD helps me; therefore I have not been disgraced; therefore I have set my face like a flint,
and I know that I shall not be put to shame
Quoted in Mathew 26:67,
These passages are said to be prophecy of Christs death, if so then how do they make any sense that the Lord God
helps him?
Psalm 69:21 They gave me poison for food, and for my thirst they gave me sour wine to drink
Quoted in Mathew 27:34
This verse is a prophecy of Christs death, the rest of the chapter starting in vs1 are a cry to my God to be saved, a
prayer to the LORD o God, answer me o LORD, and so on. If they are a prophecy of Christs death then Christ is not
the God he is crying and praying out to.
Psalm 16:8-10 I have set the LORD always before me; because he is at my right hand, I shall not be shaken.
9 Therefore my heart is glad, and my whole being rejoices; my flesh also dwells secure.
10 For you will not abandon my soul to Sheol, or let your holy one see corruption.
Quoted in Mathew 28:2-7
See also Psalm 49:15 which is a similar statement
The prediction of Christs resurrection.
The LORD is before me, therefore the LORD is not me.
The LORD is at my right hand therefore He is next to me, He is not me.
Christ says that the LORD won't abandon him to Sheol, therefore the LORD could have abandoned him to Sheol and
therefore he cannot be God. God cannot be abandoned in Sheol.
Summary:
According to these passages;
Isaiah 53:4 Jesus was smitten, stricken and afflicted by God. God did not do this to himself
vs5 Jesus was pierced, crushed and punished. None of these happened to God
vs6 God put the blame on Jesus, another being. God did not take the blame.
vs10 The LORD God crushed Jesus and caused him to suffer. The LORD God did not do this to Himself.
vs11 Jesus soul, Gods righteous servant, suffered and took blame for the sin of many.
Iniquities, or sin, separates us from God. God cannot be separated from Himself.
vs12 Jesus is not God if he needs to be given a place among the great, if he died, if he bore the sin of many,
if he intercedes for all us sinners
Isaiah 54:1-17 The LORD is the savior of Christ. God doesn't need another to save Him.
Psalm 22 God does not have a God, is not forsaken by himself, is not far away from God, does not need saving,
or need another to answer him, or have a human father, was not in Marys womb, was not cast. He does not
need help, aid, deliverance or rescuing. He is not our brother.
The OT predicted that someone other than God, would die on the cross for the sins of the world,
If you know how to interpret these OT passages to show they refer to God and show God died I would like to hear it.
There are no OT passages that say God would come and die Himself because they would contradict these passages.

Part 1B OT The Crucifixion Curse

As some background to further points I have looked at the meaning of the curse relating to Jesus Christ.

Deuteronomy 21:22-23 And if a man has committed a crime punishable by death and he is put to death, and
you hang him on a tree,
23 his body shall not remain all night on the tree, but you shall bury him the same day, for a hanged man is
cursed (Qlalah/H7045) by God. You shall not defile your land that the LORD your God is giving you for an
inheritance.
In Hebrew culture it was considered a curse to die without any children and no one to carry on the lineage.
Qlalah/H7045 means to suffer a curse meant to be cut off, isolated from the matrix of daily life and abandoned to the
powers of decomposition and death.
These verses tell us that a hanged man is cursed by God
Galatians 3:12 But the law is not of faith, rather The one who does them shall live by them.
13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for usfor it is written, Cursed is
everyone who is hanged on a tree
14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the
promised Spirit through faith.
Here we have confirmation that Christ redeemed us by becoming a curse and the quote from Deuteronomy. There is
no indication that when Paul wrote this he was saying God became a curse.
Jesus was crucified and hung on a tree, how can Jesus be cursed by God and at the same time be God?
Do we have God doing the cursing and God being cursed and cut off? No.
Exodus 22:28 You shall not revile God, nor curse a ruler of your people.
God is the ruler of the people and we are commanded not to curse a ruler, in this case God.
Jesus cannot be God and also be cursed by God otherwise God is breaking his own command.
Summary:
Deut 21:22-23 These verses tell us that a hanged man is cursed by God
Gal 3:12-14 Do we have God doing the cursing and God being cursed and cut off? No.
Ex 22:28 Jesus cannot be God and also be cursed by God otherwise God is breaking his own command.
The OT tells us that a person who is crucified is cursed by God. If Jesus is God then we have God doing the cursing
and God being cursed therefore we have two Gods.

Part 2 Old Covenant New Covenant

The Old Covenant was in place up until the time of Jesus when he replaced it with the New Covenant. Here is an
overview of what that means and what it would mean at the time of Jesus death.
Mathew 20:27-28 Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you.
28
This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.
Jesus discusses the beginning of the new covenant
Romans 11:26-27 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27
And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins.
God's new covenant begins when the sins are taken away by Jesus death
Hebrews 7:20-22 And it was not without an oath! Others became priests without any oath,
21
but he became a priest with an oath when God said to him: "The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind:
'You are a priest forever.' "

22

Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant.

Vs21 God said Jesus is a priest, if He had not sworn he could have changed his mind, so God decided what Jesus would
or would not be, Jesus did not choose for himself, how can Jesus therefore be God?
God knew that the first covenant with Moses would eventually pass away. Now the new covenant is in effect.
Vs22 a better covenant means better than the last one. Colossians 2:14 tells us it is a new one.
Hebrews 8:6 But the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator
is superior to the old one, and it is founded on better promises.
The new covenant is superior to the old one.
Jesus received his ministry from God. If Jesus is God, did he receive it from Himself?
After his death, Jesus is the mediator (so cannot be God) of the NT covenant.
See Section 31 Jesus intercedes and mediates linked here
The promises of the first covenant were broken by the Jews. The new covenant wont be broken by either Jesus or God
Hebrews 9:15 For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive
the promised eternal inheritancenow that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed
under the first covenant.
Vs15 Christ the mediator, if he were God he would be mediating for Himself which is a contradiction.
The old covenant that wasnt working is superseded by the new covenant which works in retrospect
Galatians 3:1-29
A complete explanation from Paul
Summary:
Mathew 20:27-28
Jesus discusses the beginning of the new covenant
Rom 11 Gods new covenant begins when the sins are taken away by Jesus death. God is eternal and cannot die
Hebrews 7:20-22
Jesus, not God, has become the guarantee of a better covenant.
Hebrews 8:6
After his death, Jesus is the mediator (so cannot be God) of the superior NT covenant
Hebrews 9:15
Jesus the ransom. If Jesus were God he would be mediating for himself which is not
possible according to the definition of the word mediate.
The old covenant was replaced by the new covenant where Jesus, not God, died for us.
For an in depth analysis of this idea, see Section 9A Old Covenant, New Covenant xxxx linked here 2016

Part 3 Why did Jesus have to Die

What was the point of Christ's death? Why did he have to die?
Romans 4:25 He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification
(Dikaiosis/G1347).
Dikaiosis/G1347: 1) the act of God declaring men free from guilt and acceptable to him
2) abjuring to be righteous, justification
Jesus died for our sins
Jesus was raised to life
Jesus was raised to life for our justification from God
God is eternal and therefore cannot die
Because God cannot die he therefore cannot be raised
God was not raised for our justification from God otherwise we have two Gods.
Romans 5:8 God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

Christ died, dead.

God demonstrates his love giving Christ his son to die for us.
God and Christ not one who is the other
Romans 8:3-4 By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh,
in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh
but to the Spirit.
The righteous requirement of the law was fulfilled. Leviticus 11:44-55, 19:2, 20:7 Be holy as I am holy
1 Thessalonians 5:10 He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with him.
Jesus died in order that we might live with him as our sins are continually being forgiven in an ongoing manner.
1 Peter 3:18 For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was
put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit
Christ died for our sins in order that we might be brought to God.
Did God die in order that we might be brought to God? No
God sent his son to die, another being.
God cannot be made alive by the Spirit because He is eternal and He is the Spirit.
Summary:
Romans 4
Romans 5
Romans 8:3-4
1 Thess 5
1 Peter 3

Jesus died for our sins, and was raised for our justification
Christ died while we were still sinners
The requirement of the law was fulfilled
Christ died so we can live with him
The righteous sacrifice for the unrighteous sinner. Christ died to bring us to God.

Jesus died for our justification, while we were still sinners, for the requirement of the law to be fulfilled, so we can live
with Christ, to bring us to God.
Jesus brings us to God, not God brings us to God otherwise two Gods.

God, Jesus and Sin

Part 4A God Cannot be Related to Sin

Here I make the point that God cannot be related directly to sin and then in the following Part 4B look at Jesus taking
on the sins of the world.
Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock, his works are perfect, and all his ways are just. A faithful God who does no
wrong, upright and just is he.
All God's works are perfect, therefore he cannot take the blame for being imperfect which he is unable to be.
All God's ways are just, therefore he cannot take the blame for being unjust which he cannot be.
God is faithful, therefore he cannot take the blame for being unfaithful which he is unable to be.
God does no wrong, therefore he cannot take the blame for doing wrong which he is unable to be.
Because it is a sin to do wrong and God does no wrong, then God does not sin nor could he possibly sin.
Isaiah 59:2 Surely the arm of the LORD is not too short to save, nor his ear too dull to hear.
2
But your iniquities (H5771) have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden his face from you, so
that he will not hear.

Iniquities H5771 Awone: perversity, depravity, iniquity, guilt or punishment of iniquity a) iniquity b) guilt of iniquity,
guilt (as great), guilt (of condition)c) consequence of or punishment for iniquity
Iniquities or sin separates us from God, therefore sin cannot be a part of God otherwise he would be separate from
Himself.
God cannot be God and not be able to see God's face.
God cannot be God who cannot hear God.
Again God cannot take the blame for something that would separate Himself from Himself.
Mathew 5:48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Perfect, God is perfect and unable to sin. If God sinned he would not be perfect.
1 John 1:5 God is light, in him there is no darkness at all.
Darkness is sin. There is no darkness in God, there is no sin in God.
How could God who is light also take on/in the sins which are darkness? He cannot.
Summary:
Deut 32
A faithful God who does no wrong. He cannot take the blame for sins he is unable to commit
Isaiah 59
Sin separates us from God, therefore sin cannot be a part of God which would divide him.
Mathew 5
God is perfect and unable to sin. If God sinned he would not be perfect.
How would it be logical for God to take the blame for something when it is impossible for him to have sinned?
1 John 1 In God is not darkness, or sin, at all. This would not be the case if he "bore the sins in his own body"
OT and NT scripture says God could not take on/in the blame for our sins.

Part 4B Jesus took on/in the sins of the world

When considering any of these verses we always have to consider the verses and facts from Part 4A.
Here I make the point that Jesus takes on/in the sins of the world making it an impossibility for him to be God. The
passages in Part 4A cannot be contradicted by other passages which they would be if Jesus is God.
Isaiah 53:12 he poured out his soul to death and was numbered with the transgressors; yet he bore the sins
of many to make intercession for the transgressors
"Bore" could be translated to accept or carried
Jesus accepted of carried the sins of the many, the sins in his body. As per Part 4A this cannot be God.
Jesus intercedes for us, God does not intercede. See Section 31 Jesus intercedes and mediates linked here
Romans 3:24-26 through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.
25 God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his
justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished
26 he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who
have faith in Jesus.
Vs24 Redemption came by Jesus
Vs25 Jesus was the sacrifice of atonement, God presented another being as a sacrifice of atonement.
God did not present Himself because as we have already established God cannot commit sin in Part 4A.
Vs25 Jesus took away the sins of the people who had committed sins prior to Jesus earthly appearance, his death
worked in a retrospect type of way for the earlier sinners.
1 Corinthians 15:3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins
according to the Scriptures,

that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,

Christ died for our sins, and later raised to life.

God cannot die as he is eternal see Section 1B The Eternal God xxxx linked here 2016
God cannot sin and does not sin. See Part 4A
Scripture does not say God died on the cross for our sins, this is a man made idea that contradicts Part 4A.
Hebrews 9:27-28 Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,
28
so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to
bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.
Vs28 Jesus was the sacrifice and took away the sins of many.
God is not the sacrifice and would not be a sacrifice to Himself
God cannot sin and did not take the sins of many. See Part 4A
Hebrews 10:12 But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand
of God.
Jesus was the sacrifice for sins for all time, this included past, present and future.
Jesus was a priest, God is not a priest. See Section 25B Jesus the Priest xxxx linked here 2016
Jesus was a sacrifice, God is not a sacrifice to Himself.
Jesus took responsibility for the sins, God did not take responsibility for something it is impossible for him to do
Obviously God did not sit next to himself. See Section 30 Who Sits on What Thrones linked here
1 Peter 2:24 "and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, that we might die to sin and live to
righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed."
Jesus bore our sins on the cross in his body. Part 4A In God there is no darkness in God's body.
The sins were in Jesus' body.
It is not possible for Jesus to take in our sins if he is God and if sin separates from God.
It is not possible if Jesus is God to take the blame for something he could not theoretically do.
NKJV 1 Peter 2:24 who His own self bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins,
should live unto righteousness; by whose stripes ye were healed.
Jesus bore (Greek anafero: to take upon one's self, to place on one's self anything as a load to be carried, to sustain i.e.
their punishment) The KJV, YLT, NLT, NASB, ASV, AMP, Darby, DRA all say Jesus bore our sins in his body. God
cannot have the sins in His body as per Part 4A.
1 John 2:2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for [ Or He is the one who
turns aside God's wrath, taking away our sins, and not only ours but also] the sins of the whole world.
The atoning sacrifice reconciles God with the sinner. Jesus is the atoning sacrifice. The atonement which is to reconcile
God with mankind is a role that Jesus took on and which Jesus is.
God is not the atonement of God to mankind this would not make logical sense. An atonement is a reparation for a
wrong of an injury. It is impossible for the atonement to be paid by the same party that it is being paid to.
Summary:
Isaiah 53
Romans 3
1 Cor 15
Hebrews 9

"Bore" could be translated to accept or carried

Jesus accepted of carried the sins of the many, the sins in his body. As Part 4A this cannot be God.
Jesus was the sacrifice of atonement, God presented another being as a sacrifice of atonement.
God did not present himself because as we have already established God cannot commit sin.
Christ died for our sins, God cannot sin and does not sin.
Jesus was the sacrifice and took away the sins of many. Not God.

Hebrews 10 Jesus, not God, was the sacrifice for sins for all time. This included past, present and future.
1 Peter 2
Jesus bore our sins in his body. It is not biblically possible for Jesus to take in our sins if he is God
and if sin separates from God. It is not biblically possible if Jesus is God to take the blame for
something he could not biblically do.
1 John 2
God is not the atonement of God to mankind this would not make logical sense. An atonement is a
reparation for a wrong of an injury. It is impossible for the atonement to be paid by the same party
that it is being paid to.
Jesus had taken on all responsibility for the sins of the world, then we agree he was separated from God. If Jesus is
separated from God then he is not the God he is separated from.

Jesus the Ransom, Sacrifice and Reconciliation

Part 5A Jesus is the Ransom

Can Jesus be the ransom to God and also be God?
Strong's definition of the Greek word Lytron/G3083: the price for redeeming, ransom a) paid for slaves, captives b) for
the ransom of life 2) to liberate many from misery and the penalty of their sins
Mark 10:45 For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life (G5590) as a
ransom for many."
Jesus gave his life (psyche/G5590) as a ransom for many
It is hard to tell if the Psyche/G5590 that Jesus gave was part or all of himself.
Did Jesus give his life as a ransom to death or to God? How if Jesus is God can he do either? He cannot and is not.
If Jesus is God, how could he give his life to God if he is God and God already owns it?
Jesus gave his life for a ransom for us to God. To say Jesus is God is to say that God gave his own life as a ransom to
himself. This did not happen because the passage does not say that.
John 10:17-18 The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my lifeonly to take it up again.
18
No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to
take it up again. This command I received from my Father."
God gave Jesus authority to lay his life down as a ransom. How does this make sense if we say Jesus is God?
Would it make sense to say, God needed authority from God to lay down his life? Two Gods?
Jesus needed the authority from God to lay his life down because we are commanded not to take a life and he was in a
way, taking his own life
1 Timothy 2:5-6 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6who
gave himself as a ransom for all menthe testimony given in its proper time.
Vs 5 Do we have One God and another God the mediator? It cannot be and is not the case.
Vs6 Did God gave himself to God as a ransom? How can this be? It cannot be and is not the case.
Hebrews 9:15 For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive
the promised eternal inheritancenow that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed
under the first covenant.
Christ died as a ransom, not God.
Christ the mediator, how can Christ be God and mediating for God without it being a contradiction?
The old covenant that wasnt working is superseded by the new covenant which works in retrospect
Summary:

Mark 10
Did Jesus give his life as a ransom to death or to God? How if Jesus is God can he do either? He
cannot and is not.
John 10
Jesus needed the authority from God to lay his life down because we are commanded not to take a
life and he was in a way, taking his own life
1 Timothy 2 Did God gave himself to God as a ransom? How can this be? It cannot be and is not the case.
Hebrews 9
Christ died as a ransom, not God. Christ the mediator, how can Christ be God and mediating for
God without it being a contradiction?
Jesus is the ransom. God is not a ransom to himself.
Just think about this idea of being a ransom to yourself on behalf of someone else.

Part 5B Jesus was the Sacrifice to God

Can Jesus be God and be the sacrifice to God?
Hebrews 7:27 Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own
sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself.
Jesus offered himself as the sacrifice to God.
How, if Jesus is God, could God sacrifice God in order to receive forgiveness from God?
Hebrews 9:14 How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself
unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!
Christ gave himself through the HS to God, if we say Christ is God how does this make sense?
Hebrews 9:28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second
time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.
Jesus came to bear responsibility. God did not bear the responsibility
To bear: take on as one's own the expenses or debts of another person
Summary:
Hebrews 7 How, if Jesus is God, could God sacrifice God in order to receive forgiveness from God?
Hebrews 9 Christ gave himself through the HS to God, is this possible if Christ is God?
Hebrews 9 Jesus came to bear responsibility. God did not bear the responsibility
Jesus was a sacrifice to God. God was not a sacrifice to God.
Can you imagine sacrificing yourself to yourself? How much sense would that make?
The bible is the word of God for us to understand and comprehend it is not a set of impossible riddles.

Part 5C Jesus Sacrifice is for our Reconciliation to God

Can Jesus be our reconciliation to God and be God?
2 Corinthians 5:20 We implore you on Christs behalf: Be reconciled to God.
21 God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
Vs 20 God used Jesus as an instrument, so that people can be reconciled.
Vs 21 God made Jesus to be sin for us.
God made Jesus do something . If this is so then Jesus was made to do something by God who nobody controls.
Jesus became sin which as shown in Part 4A God cannot be as he is perfect etc
By these actions we sinful disciples then become righteous

Acts 10:43 All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins
through his name."
All the prophets predicted Jesus would die for the forgiveness of sins of all people of the world.
We receive forgiveness and are thus reconciled to God by Christ not God.
1 Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you
may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.
When Jesus took blame for the sin of the world, he was separated from God
When we sin we are separated from God (Isaiah 59:1-2)
Jesus went from darkness to light once he was resurrected
We go from darkness to light once we raise from the waters of baptism Romans 6:24
Summary:
2 Corinthians 5
Acts 10
1 Peter 2

God made Jesus to be a sin for us to reconcile us to God. God did not do this
We believe in Christ to be reconciled to God, one is not the other.
We are called into light through the reconciliation of Christ.

The sacrifice Jesus made with his life gives us a reconciliation with God
God is not the party doing the reconciling to himself.

Eternal God And Jesus Death

Part 6A God cannot Die as He is Eternal

What does the OT say about God living indefinitely?
Deuteronomy 33:26-27 There is no one like the God of Jeshurun, who rides on the heavens to help you and on
the clouds in his majesty.
27
The eternal (Qedem/H6924) God is your refuge, and underneath are the everlasting arms.
The entire chapter is referring to LORD or Jehovah and so from that we assume that God in vs27 is Jehovah and that
Jehovah God is the one being referred to as eternal
everlasting is from the Hebrew word Owlam that was translated to Eternal in Genesis 21:33
Isaiah 40:28 The LORD is the everlasting (Owlam/H5769) God, the Creator of the ends of the earth.
H5769 Owlam God
Isaiah 57:15 For this is what the high and lofty One says he who lives forever (Ad/H5703), whose name is
holy:
H5703 ad: Perpetuity, continuing future
1 Timothy 6:16 who alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one has ever seen or
can see.
Who alone is immortal, God cannot die
Summary:
Deuteronomy 33:26
Isaiah 40:28
Isaiah 57:15

say that God is eternal Qedem/H6924

says that God is everlasting Owlam/H5769
says that God lives forever Ad/H5703

1 Timothy 6:16

God who cannot die

The Bible tells us that God is eternal, everlasting and lives forever, and is immortal, therefore does not die. Nothing in
the bible tells us that God can or will die, these facts have to be always in place when we are considering Jesus who as
we all know did die.

Part 6B Jesus on the Cross

Jesus went from being alive to being dead, from living to not living. This, as opposed to the eternal, everlasting,
immortal living God who cannot do this.
What happened between God and Christ when Jesus was on the cross?
How long was Jesus the curse for? Part 1A and Galatians 3:12
Mathew 27:46 About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"which
means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"
Mark 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"which
means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"
Jesus has a God and therefore is not God who does not have a God. See Section 02N Jesus has a God
Jesus was forsaken.
Jesus knew he had to come and do Gods will but he was not told certain things including that he would be forsaken by
God.
Jesus is quoting Psalm 22:1 which was originally written by David,. At this time Jesus would only say something that
he believed to be true and applicable to himself. He is the one fulfilling the Psalm, the OT is the one doing the
prophecying, prophecying what Jesus was going to say.
Jesus was asking God why he was being forsaken, left, abandoned, deserted, withdrawn from, renounced, etc.. Jesus is
forsaken by God, God cannot be forsaken from himself. Jesus was calling another, God would not say this to himself.
Therefore Jesus cannot be God
Is it possible that Jesus was not forsaken
If he was mistaken he automatically cannot be God who doesnt make mistakes.
If there was something he does not know about God then again he cannot be God who knows all things.
If Jesus is God he would have known before he came to earth whether he would or would not be forsaken.
Revelation 1:17-18 but he laid his right hand on me, saying, Fear not, I am the first and the last,
18 and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades.
Jesus said I died and now he is alive. According to Jesus there was a point when he was dead.
John 19:30 When he had received the drink, Jesus said, "It is finished." With that, he bowed his head and gave
up his spirit.
Jesus had a spirit the same as we humans do, he gave it up to God just the same as we humans do.
He also had the HS just as we do.
John 18:32 Jesus had spoken to show what kind of death he was going to die
If Jesus was going to be fully dead he cannot be God who cannot die. See Part 6A The Eternal God
If Jesus did not die because he is God then the scriptures that say he did die are false
Luke 23:46 Jesus called out with a loud voice, "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit."
If Jesus is God how would he do this and who would he give it up to?

The last thing Jesus said and did:

Jesus gave his spirit to another
Because Jesus is not God he gave his spirit to God
Jesus died and committed his spirit into Gods hands, which is what we all do when we die
Why if Jesus' spirit is the spirit of God would he need to commit his spirit to God?
Jesus did not commit Jesus to Jesus, and God did not commit God to God.
God did not call out in a loud voice to anyone. One being called out to another.
Why cry out if God can read our minds and Jesus is already God?
Did he commit his own spirit or the HS? How could it be the HS?
If Jesus was committing his own spirit why commit it to the Father if Jesus is already God?
If Jesus was committing his own spirit was it different to the Fathers spirit?
If Jesus was not going to be fully dead, because he was God, why would he need to commit his spirit?
Romans 3:23-25 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
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and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.
25
God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement.
The glory of God, not Christ. Justified by Gods grace through Jesus. God presented Jesus.
We have sinned we fall short of the glory of God. When Christ took responsibility for the sins of the world he also fell
short of the glory of God until he was raised from the dead. This cannot be so if Jesus is God
Summary:
Mathew 27 Jesus was asking God why he was being forsaken, left, abandoned, deserted, withdrawn from,
renounced, etc.. Jesus is forsaken by God, God cannot be forsaken from himself. Jesus was calling
another, God would not say this to himself. Therefore Jesus cannot be God
Revelation 1 Jesus said I died and now he is alive. According to Jesus there was a point when he was dead.
John 19
If Jesus was going to be fully dead he cannot be God who cannot die. See Part 6A The Eternal
God. If Jesus did not die because he is God then the scriptures that say he did die are false
Luke 23
Jesus died and committed his spirit into Gods hands, which is what we all do when we die
Why if Jesus' spirit is the spirit of God would he need to commit his spirit to God?
Jesus did not commit Jesus to Jesus, and God did not commit God to God
Romans 3
When Christ took responsibility for the sins of the world he also fell short of the glory of God until
he was raised from the dead. This cannot be so if Jesus is God
Jesus was dead and foresaken by God, both of which cannot happen to God.

Part 6C Was Jesus Separate from God?

Was Jesus separate from God, and what does that mean?
Deuteronomy 30:19 I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and
death, blessing and curse.
Death is opposite and separate from life
Blessing is opposite and separate from curse
Jesus was dead, Jesus was a curse.
These are two things God is not, nor can He be.
Genesis 1:18 o rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw
that it was good
Darkness is separate from light. Figuratively God is light, sin is darkness
Jesus took on all the darkness of the world.

Leviticus 15:31 Thus you shall keep the people of Israel separate from their uncleanness, lest they die in their
uncleanness by defiling my tabernacle that is in their midst
Sin is separate from God
Jesus took on all the sin of the world
Mathew 13:49 So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come out and separate the evil from the
righteous
Evil is separate from righteousness
Jesus took in all the evil of the world
2 Corinthians 6:17 Therefore go out from their midst, and be separate from them, says the Lord, and touch no
unclean thing; then I will welcome you,
Unclean is separate from the clean
Jesus took in all the uncleanliness of the world
Summary:
Deut 30:19

Death and life

Curse and blessing
Gen 1:18
Darkenss and Light
Lev 15:31
Sin and God
Mat 13:49
Evil and righteous
2 Cor 6:17
Unclean and clean
Jesus was dead, a curse, full of darkness, full of sin, full of all evil, full of uncleanliness. All of these facts mean that
when Jesus was on the cross and when he dies he was certainly separate from God. God cannot be separate from
himself, therefore Jesus was not God.
Bible Knowledge Commentary:
Mathew 27:4550 (Mark 15:3337; Luke 23:4446; John 19:2830). Matthew made no reference to the time
when the crucifixion began. But Mark indicated that it began at the third hour (Mark 15:25), around 9 A.M.
Matthew noted specifically that from the sixth hour, noon, until the ninth hour, 3 P.M., darkness came over all
the land. In this period of darkness Jesus became the Sin-offering for the world (John 1:29; Rom. 5:8; 2 Cor.
5:21; 1 Peter 2:24; 3:18) and as such was forsaken by the Father. Near the end of this period of time, Jesus
could bear the separation no longer and cried out in a loud voice, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? These Aramaic
words mean, My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me? (a quotation of Ps. 22:1) Jesus sensed a separation
from the Father He had never known, for in becoming sin the Father had to turn judicially from His Son (Rom.
3:2526).
During Christs Death

Part 7A How Long was Jesus Dead For?

Jesus was dead, how long for?
John 19:30-31 When Jesus had received the sour wine, he said, It is finished, and he bowed his head and gave
up his spirit.
31 Since it was the day of Preparation, and so that the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for
that Sabbath was a high day)
Jesus dies on the day of Preparation, Friday.
Mathew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?

The first hour is the first hour after sunrise which is approximately 6am. The ninth hour is some time around 3pm As
per John 19:30 the people didnt want Jesus on the cross before sunset which signified the beginning of the Sabbath. So
Jesus died somewhere between 3-6pm Friday
John 20:1 Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene came to the tomb early, while it was still dark,
and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb.
2 So she ran and went to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one whom Jesus loved, and said to them, They
have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid him
Before sunrise, 6am, on Sunday Jesus had already risen.
Therefore Jesus was dead from approx 4pm Friday to 4am Sunday, about 36 hours give or take.
Mathew 12:40 For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of
Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
It is difficult for us who think three days should be 72 hours however he was in the tomb, or dead, for three days.
Friday Saturday Sunday if only part of those days.
What about three nights? Perhaps Jesus made a mistake, not a sin but a mistake. God would not make this mistake.
Summary:
John 19:30-31
Jesus dies on the Day of Preparation
Mat 27:46
At the ninght hour Jesus cried out
John 20:1
On the first day of the week Mary came to the empty tomb
Mat 12:40
The Son of Man was three days and nights in the hearth of the earth
The exact length of time that Jesus was dead for is somewhere between 36 hours and three days depending how we
interpret the scriptures. However the length of time is not relevant to this study. The point is that he was dead. God
cannot be dead, therefore God was not Jesus.

Part 7B Where was Jesus Between Death and Resurrection?

We know that Jesus body died as do all people. Where was his soul and spirit between his death and resurrection?
Luke 16:19-31
The parable of the rich man and Lazarus says Lazarus went to Abrahams side. The rich man was in Hell in torment
there was a chasm between them. It is my current opinion that this parable was to make a point not an exact
representation of our after life experience.
Ephesians 4:8-9 This is why it says: "When he ascended on high, he led captives in his train and gave gifts to
men."
9
(What does "he ascended" mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions?
10
He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole
universe.)
Some think that this passage is in reference to Jesus death. The earth is the summit and Jesus descended into
somewhere below the earth , the spiritual abyss. I don't agree with this.
It is my opinion that Jesus ascended to heaven just as he had descended onto the earth as per 1 Kings 8:23
1 Kings 8:23 and said: "O LORD, God of Israel, there is no God like you in heaven above or on earth below
you who keep your covenant of love with your servants who continue wholeheartedly in your way.

Here we see that earth is the lower region. Heaven is above, earth is below. The viewpoint is not up and down, it is a
viewpoint from looking from space where all ways are up and the earth is the center point of down.
Hebrews 9:27-28 Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,
28
so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to
bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.
Did Jesus face judgment?
If Jesus is God he didnt face judgment from himself.
If Jesus is a man he didnt face judgment as Judgment day hasnt happened yet.
Jesus, as the sacrifice and ransom for our reconciliation, was an exception
At a point between being on the cross and raising from the dead the worlds sins were forgiven and God also judged
Jesus, another being, as sinless.
1 Peter 3:18-20 For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He
was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit,
19
through whom also he went and preached to the spirits in prison
20
who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it
only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water
Vs18 made alive by the spirit refers to being brouht back to life by the Spirit of God, his resurrection before
ascension which continued after the ascension.
Vs19 Jesus, through the spirit went, to this place the prison, to preach to other spirits
Vs19 It is not clear if Jesus visited the spirits in prison during the three days or another time
Vs 20 God put the spirits in the prison, Jesus visited them.
Summary:
It is not clear to me where Jesus soul and spirit were during the time between his death and resurrection.

After the Resurrection

Part 8A Comparing Our Death and Resurrection with Jesus

How does the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ compare to the death and resurrection of people?
The majority of human deaths will result in the complete elimination of their physical bodies therefore any comparison
with the death and resurrection of Jesus cannot include the physical body. The comparison is the soul and the spirit.
Genesis 35:18 As she (Nefesh/H5315) breathed her lastfor she was dyingshe named her son Ben-Oni. But
his father named him Benjamin.
Nefesh/H5315: The Hebrew term for soul
Jacobs wife Rachel is dying. Rachel/Nefesh/soul breathed her last breath, she died as we know it. The soul died.
Revelation 20:4-5 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw
the souls (G5590) of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word
of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their
hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.
G5590/Psyche: heart, life, mind, soul, person. Usually Soul or life in the ESV
Vs5 The dead souls come to life on the Day of Judgment in the resurrection
I Corinthians 15:35 But someone will ask, How are the dead raised? With what kind of body do they come?

36 You foolish person! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies.
42 So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable.
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual

body.

Chapter 15:35-58 has Paul discussing the resurrection from the dead to the living
Vs36 Whatever comes to life has also previously died
Vs42 Our entire human life, body-soul-spirit, is perishable and dies. The new life will be unperishable.
Vs44 We are raised in a spiritual body. In order for our spiritual body to be raised or resurrected it must have been
previously dead. Therefore we can confirm that between our death on earth and our resurrection on the Day of
Judgment our spirit is dead.
1 Corinthians 6:14 By his power God raised the Lord from the dead, and he will raise us also.
God raised the Lord Jesus from the dead, God will raise us from the dead a direct comparison.
When we raise from the dead we will not have our physical body therefore it is referring to both our soul and our spirit.
Because this is a comparison then we know that Jesus soul and spirit also died and resurrected.
2 Corinthians 4:14 because we know that the one who raised the Lord Jesus from the dead will also raise us
with Jesus and present us with you in his presence
The death and resurrection of Jesus is compared directly with the death and resurrection of people. God will also raise
us with Jesus. The resurrection can only be talking about soul and spirit, not the physical body.
1 Peter 1:21 Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your
faith and hope are in God.
Jesus did not raise himself from the dead, God had to do it for him. Jesus was dead. A living soul/spirit raised a dead
soul/spirit. God cannot be dead.
We believe in God through Jesus, we believe because of the example Jesus set, and the things he did. Ultimately our
faith and hope are in God.
Romans 6:5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a
resurrection like his
Our death is the same as the death of Christ. Our body dies, our soul and or spirit dies.
The resurrection of people is the same as the resurrection of Christ.
Our body is dead Jesus' body is dead
Our soul is dead, Jesus' soul is dead
Our spirit is dead, Jesus' spirit is dead
Only the soul/spirit resurrects, this is the comparison. Jesus soul and spirit died and resurrected just as ours does.
Philippians 3:10 that I may know him and the power of his resurrection, and may share his sufferings,
becoming like him in his death,
11 that by any means possible I may attain the resurrection from the dead
We are like Jesus in his death, body- soul - spirit
Summary:
Gen 35:18
Rev 20:4-5
1 Cor 15:35
1 Cor 6:14
2 Cor 4:14
1 Peter 1:21

The human soul dies when it stops breathing

The human soul is resurrected on the Day of Judgment
The human spirit dies and is resurrected
The human resurrection of the soul and spirit is compared directly with Jesus resurrection
Jesus soul and spirit, the same as peoples, died and is/was resurrected
The eternal, living, spirit God, resurrected the dead soul/spirit Jesus. One is not the other

Romans 6:5 We are united in death and resurrection with Jesus. Our soul/spirit death is the same as Jesus
Philipians 3:10
We are like Jesus in his death and like him in the resurrection
It is the death of our soul and or spirit that is the comparison with Christs death.
This being the case then Jesus' soul and or spirit were dead which means he cannot be the eternal God whose soul and
spirit do not die.
Our physical body dies and does not resurrect. (Mathew 27:52-53 some physical bodies did resurrect, these were
exceptions)
Jesus physical body died and his body resurrected. His resurrection was different to ours in that he had to come back to
the earth and prove to the people that he had risen, therefore he re-used his physical body. Ours disintegrates.

Part 8B Jesus Rises from the Dead

Jesus body, soul, and spirit were dead and then resurrected back to life. If Jesus body, soul and spirit were not dead then
the victory over death is not a victory at all.
Luke 18:33 and after they flog Him, they will kill (apokteino/G615) Him, and He will rise on the third day
Apokteino: To put to death
Jesus foretold his disciples that he would be killed, put to death. Jesus was alive and became dead.
John 2:18-21
18
Then the Jews demanded of him, "What miraculous sign can you show us to prove your authority to do all
this?"
19
Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days."
20
The Jews replied, "It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?"
21
But the temple he had spoken of was his body.
Vs18 Jesus was asked to prove that he had authority, which he did because he needed it. God doesnt need authority
from anywhere.
Vs19 I will raise it again per the original Greek could also read it will raise again or I will raise again
Lusate naon tuton kai en trisin emerais egero auton
Destroy temple this and in three days raise up the-same/I/it
xxxx look at Bible Gateway versions from KJV onwards
God is said to raise Jesus more than 20 times, this is the only scripture that says Jesus will raise himself. John 10:17 is
similar I lay down my life only to take it up again, (which he does by the authority of God)
Another view is that Jesus did miracles and raised people from the dead with God's power and so the same applies here,
they were working together.
The entire point from this passage is that Jesus told the people clearly he would be alive, then dead, then alive again.
Mathew 28:2 for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone
and sat on it.
Jesus did not role the stone away from the tomb. The angel was needed to move the stone to let Jesus out, this may
have been to show that it was God who caused the tomb to be empty.
Romans 1:4 and was declared to be the Son of God in power according to the Spirit of holiness by his
resurrection (G386) from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord
Resurrection from the dead, from the dead means Jesus was dead. Jesus body, soul and spirit were dead, and they
were brought back to life. If they were not dead then they were not brought back to life and the entire story of the
resurrection is meaningless.

Summary:
Luke 18:33
John 2:18-21
Mathew 28:2
Romans 1:4

Jesus foretold his disciples that he would be killed, put to death. Jesus was alive and became dead.
Jesus told the people clearly he would be alive, then dead, then alive again.
The angel was needed to move the stone to let Jesus out of the tomb
Jesus body, soul and spirit were dead and then resurrected by God.

God raised Jesus from the dead, Jesus was resurrected

God cannot be resurrected because he cannot be dead. Therefore God cannot be Jesus

Part 8C Jesus after the resurrection

Luke 24:25 How foolish you are and how slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken. Did not the
Christ have to suffer all these things and then enter his glory. And then beginning with Moses and all the
prophets he explained to them what was said in all the scriptures concerning himself.
After his resurrection and on the road to Jerusalem with the disciples Jesus explains how the Christ or Messiah had to
go through all these things, Jesus did not explain that God had to go through these things.
Luke 24:45-46 Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures.
46
He told them, "This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day,
Jesus had to explain basic scripture to people who had been with him for many years.
The Christ was predicted to suffer and rise from the dead, God was not dead and raised.
John 20:17 Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my
brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'
Jesus is returning to God, this would indicate that Jesus is not God.
Jesus is going from not being with God to being with God not being with the Father to being with the Father
If Jesus is returning to God how can he be God?
If the Father went somewhere would he return to his God?
The Father would not call the son my God
If Jesus is God and he returns to his God then we have two Gods!
John 20:21 Again Jesus said, "Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you
Jesus was sent by God, God did not send God.
Summary:
Luke 24:25
Luke 24:45
John 20:17
John 20:21

Jesus told the disciples that the Christ had to suffer

Jesus tells the disciples that Christ will suffer and rise from the dead
Jesus returned to his God
Jesus was sent by God

Jesus confirms that he will return to God, his God, therefore Jesus is not God.

Part 9 What was the point of it

1 Peter 1:3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new
birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
Jesus has a God and a Father. God does not have either.

God gives us the hope of eternity through the death of his son, not through the death of God
Summary:
1 Peter 1:3 we are given a new birth into a living hope.
The death and resurrection of Christ Jesus, not God, is to give us hope of salvation

Final Summary and Conclusion:

Part 1A According to these passages;
Isaiah 53:4 Jesus was smitten, stricken and afflicted by God. God did not do this to himself
vs5 Jesus was pierced, crushed and punished. None of these happened to God
vs6 God put the blame on Jesus, another being. God did not take the blame.
vs10 The LORD God crushed Jesus and caused him to suffer. The LORD God did not do this to Himself.
vs11 Jesus soul, Gods righteous servant, suffered and took blame for the sin of many.
Iniquities, or sin, separates us from God. God cannot be separated from Himself.
vs12 Jesus is not God if he needs to be given a place among the great, if he died, if he bore the sin of many,
if he intercedes for all us sinners
Isaiah 54:1-17 The LORD is the savior of Christ. God doesn't need another to save Him.
Psalm 22 God does not have a God, is not forsaken by himself, is not far away from God, does not need saving,
or need another to answer him, or have a human father, was not in Marys womb, was not cast. He
does not need
help, aid, deliverance or rescuing. He is not our brother.
The OT predicted that someone other than God, would die on the cross for the sins of the world,
Part 1B Deut 21:22-23 These verses tell us that a hanged man is cursed by God
Gal 3:12-14 Do we have God doing the cursing and God being cursed and cut off? No.
Ex 22:28 Jesus cannot be God and also be cursed by God otherwise God is breaking his own command.
The OT tells us that a person who is crucified is cursed by God. If Jesus is God then we have God doing the
cursing and God being cursed therefore we have two Gods.
Part 2 Mathew 20:27-28
Jesus discusses the beginning of the new covenant
Rom 11 Gods new covenant begins when the sins are taken away by Jesus death. God is eternal and
cannot
die
Hebrews 7:20-22
Jesus, not God, has become the guarantee of a better covenant.
Hebrews 8:6
After his death, Jesus is the mediator (so cannot be God) of the superior NT
covenant
Hebrews 9:15
Jesus the ransom. If Jesus were God he would be mediating for himself which is not
possible according to the definition of the word mediate.
The old covenant was replaced by the new covenant where Jesus, not God, died for us.
Part 3 Romans 4
Romans 5
Romans 8:3-4
1 Thess 5
1 Peter 3

Jesus died for our sins, and was raised for our justification
Christ died while we were still sinners
The requirement of the law was fulfilled
Christ died so we can live with him
The righteous sacrifice for the unrighteous sinner. Christ died to bring us to God.

Jesus died for our justification, while we were still sinners, for the requirement of the law to be fulfilled, so
we can live with Christ, to bring us to God.
Jesus brings us to God, not God brings us to God otherwise two Gods.

Part 4A Deut 32
A faithful God who does no wrong. He cannot take the blame for sins he is unable to
commit
Isaiah 59
Sin separates us from God, therefore sin cannot be a part of God which would divide him.
Mathew 5
God is perfect and unable to sin. If God sinned he would not be perfect.
How would it be logical for God to take the blame for something when it is impossible for him to have
sinned?
1 John 1 In God is not darkness, or sin, at all. This would not be the case if he "bore the sins in his own body"
OT and NT scripture says God could not take on/in the blame for our sins.
Part 4B Isaiah 53
"Bore" could be translated to accept or carried
Jesus accepted of carried the sins of the many, the sins in his body. As Part 4A this cannot be God.
Rom 3 Jesus was the sacrifice of atonement, God presented another being as a sacrifice of atonement.
God did not present himself because as we have already established God cannot commit sin.
1 Cor 15
Christ died for our sins, God cannot sin and does not sin.
Hebrews 9
Jesus was the sacrifice and took away the sins of many. Not God.
Hebrews 10 Jesus, not God, was the sacrifice for sins for all time. This included past, present and future.
1 Peter 2
Jesus bore our sins in his body. It is not biblically possible for Jesus to take in our sins if he
is God and if sin separates from God. It is not biblically possible if Jesus is God to take the
blame for something he could not biblically do.
1 John 2
God is not the atonement of God to mankind this would not make logical sense. An
atonement is a reparation for a wrong of an injury. It is impossible for the atonement to be
paid by the same party that it is being paid to.
Jesus had taken on all responsibility for the sins of the world, then we agree he was separated from God. If
Jesus is separated from God then he is not the God he is separated from.
Part 5A Mark 10
Did Jesus give his life as a ransom to death or to God? How if Jesus is God can he do
either? He cannot and is not.
John 10
Jesus needed the authority from God to lay his life down because we are commanded not to
take a life and he was in a way, taking his own life
1 Tim 2
Did God gave himself to God as a ransom? How can this be? It cannot be and is not the case
Hebrews 9
Christ died as a ransom, not God. Christ the mediator, how can Christ be God and
mediating for God without it being a contradiction?
Jesus is the ransom. God is not a ransom to himself.
Just think about this idea of being a ransom to yourself on behalf of someone else.
Part 5B Hebrews 7 How, if Jesus is God, could God sacrifice God in order to receive forgiveness from God?
Hebrews 9 Christ gave himself through the HS to God, is this possible if Christ is God?
Hebrews 9 Jesus came to bear responsibility. God did not bear the responsibility
Jesus was a sacrifice to God. God was not a sacrifice to God.
Can you imagine sacrificing yourself to yourself? How much sense would that make?
The bible is the word of God for us to understand and comprehend it is not a set of impossible riddles
Part 5C 2 Corinthians 5
Acts 10
1 Peter 2

God made Jesus to be a sin for us to reconcile us to God. God did not do this
We believe in Christ to be reconciled to God, one is not the other.
We are called into light through the reconciliation of Christ.

The sacrifice Jesus made with his life gives us a reconciliation with God
God is not the party doing the reconciling to himself.

Part 6A Deuteronomy 33:26

Isaiah 40:28
Isaiah 57:15
1 Timothy 6:16

say that God is eternal Qedem/H6924

says that God is everlasting Owlam/H5769
says that God lives forever Ad/H5703
God who cannot die

The Bible tells us that God is eternal, everlasting and lives forever, and is immortal, therefore does not die.
Nothing in the bible tells us that God can or will die, these facts have to be always in place when we are
considering Jesus who as we all know did die.
Part 6B Mathew 27 Jesus was asking God why he was being forsaken, left, abandoned, deserted, withdrawn
from, renounced, etc.. Jesus is forsaken by God, God cannot be forsaken from himself. Jesus was
calling another, God would not say this to himself. Therefore Jesus cannot be God
Revelation 1 Jesus said I died and now he is alive. According to Jesus there was a point when he was
dead.
John 19 If Jesus was going to be fully dead he cannot be God who cannot die. See Part 6A The
Eternal
God. If Jesus did not die because he is God then the scriptures that say he did die are false
Luke 23 Jesus died and committed his spirit into Gods hands, which is what we all do when we die
Why if Jesus' spirit is the spirit of God would he need to commit his spirit to God?
Jesus did not commit Jesus to Jesus, and God did not commit God to God
Romans 3 When Christ took responsibility for the sins of the world he also fell short of the glory of God
until he was raised from the dead. This cannot be so if Jesus is God
Jesus was dead and foresaken by God, both of which cannot happen to God.
Part 6CDeut 30:19

Death and life

Curse and blessing
Gen 1:18
Darkenss and Light
Lev 15:31
Sin and God
Mat 13:49
Evil and righteous
2 Cor 6:17
Unclean and clean
Jesus was dead, a curse, full of darkness, full of sin, full of all evil, full of uncleanliness. All of these facts
mean that when Jesus was on the cross and when he dies he was certainly separate from God. God cannot
be separate from himself, therefore Jesus was not God

Part 7A John 19:30-31

Jesus dies on the Day of Preparation
Mat 27:46
At the ninght hour Jesus cried out
John 20:1
On the first day of the week Mary came to the empty tomb
Mat 12:40
The Son of Man was three days and nights in the hearth of the earth
The exact length of time that Jesus was dead for is somewhere between 36 hours and three days depending
how we interpret the scriptures. However the length of time is not relevant to this study. The point is that
he was dead. God cannot be dead, therefore God was not Jesus.
Part 7B It is not clear to me where Jesus soul and spirit were during the time between his death and resurrection.
Part 8A Gen 35:18
Rev 20:4-5
1 Cor 15:35
1 Cor 6:14
2 Cor 4:14
1 Peter 1:21
Romans 6:5
Philipians 3:10

The human soul dies when it stops breathing

The human soul is resurrected on the Day of Judgment
The human spirit dies and is resurrected
The human resurrection of the soul and spirit is compared directly with Jesus resurrection
Jesus soul and spirit, the same as peoples, died and is/was resurrected
The eternal, living, spirit God, resurrected the dead soul/spirit Jesus. One is not the other
We are united in death and resurrection with Jesus. Our soul/spirit death is the same as Jesus
We are like Jesus in his death and like him in the resurrection

It is the death of our soul and or spirit that is the comparison with Christs death.
This being the case then Jesus' soul and or spirit were dead which means he cannot be the eternal God
soul and spirit do not die.

whose

Our physical body dies and does not resurrect. (Mathew 27:52-53 some physical bodies did resurrect, these
were exceptions)
Jesus physical body died and his body resurrected. His resurrection was different to ours in that he had to come
back to the earth and prove to the people that he had risen, therefore he re-used his physical body. Ours disintegrates.
Part 8B Luke 18:33
became dead.
John 2:18-21
Mathew 28:2
Romans 1:4

Jesus foretold his disciples that he would be killed, put to death. Jesus was alive and
Jesus told the people clearly he would be alive, then dead, then alive again.
The angel was needed to move the stone to let Jesus out of the tomb
Jesus body, soul and spirit were dead and then resurrected by God.

God raised Jesus from the dead, Jesus was resurrected

God cannot be resurrected because he cannot be dead. Therefore God cannot be Jesus
Part 8C Luke 24:25
Luke 24:45
John 20:17
John 20:21

Jesus told the disciples that the Christ had to suffer

Jesus tells the disciples that Christ will suffer and rise from the dead
Jesus returned to his God
Jesus was sent by God

Jesus confirms that he will return to God, his God, therefore Jesus is not God.
Part 9 1 Peter 1:3 we are given a new birth into a living hope.
The death and resurrection of Christ Jesus, not God, is to give us hope of salvation
Final Conclusion
The OT clearly predicted that someone other than the LORD God would die for our sins, they were cursed by God
which God cannot be. Jesus died for our justification, God cannot die. God cannot be a part of sin because they separate
us from God, yet Jesus took on/in the sins of the world said my God why have you forsaken me and was raised by God
on the 3rd day. Jesus was a ransom and a sacrifice that reconcilled us to God, God can do none of these things. Jesus
was dead, a curse, full of darkness, full of sin, full of all evil, full of uncleanliness. None of these things can happend to
God.
The death of our soul and spirit are compared with the same that happened to Christ. And finally at the end of times
Jesus will return with God, two of them.
Jesus cannot be God because it is not biblically possible for any of these events to happen to God.
Insisting that Jesus is fully God is to ignore all of these events and basic facts.
Scripture List
P6C Genesis 1:18 To separate light from darkness
P8A Genesis 35:18 Rachels soul breathed its last breath
P1B Exodus 22:28 You shall not revile God, nor curse a ruler of your people
P6C Leviticus 15:31 Keep the people of Israel separate from their uncleanness
P1B Deuteronomy 21:22 Anyone who is hung on a tree is cursed
P6B Deuteronomy 30:19 I have set before you life and death
P4A Deuteronomy 32:4 A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is he.
P6A Deuteronomy 33_26-27 The eternal God is your refuge
P7B 1 Kings 8:23 "O LORD, God of Israel, there is no God like you in heaven above or on earth below
P6A Isaiah 40:28 The LORD is the everlasting God
P1A Isaiah 50:5-7 I hid not my face from disgrace and spitting

P1A Isaiah 53:4 Yet it was the LORD's will to crush him and cause him to suffer
P4B Isaiah 53:12 he was numbered with the transgressors
P6A Isaiah 57:15 he who lives forever, whose name is holy
P4A Isaiah 59:2 But your iniquities have separated you from your God;
P1A Psalm 16:8-10 For you will not abandon my sould to Sheol
P1A Psalm 22:1 My God my God why have you forsaken me?
P1A Psalm 35:22 O LORD be not far from me
P1A Psalm 69:21 for my thirst they gave me sour wine
P4A Mathew 5:48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
P7A Mathew 12:40 The son of man will be three days and night in the heart of the earth
P6C Mathew 13:49 The angels will separate the evil from the righteous
P2
Mathew 20:27-28 my blood of the covenant, is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.
P6B/7A
Mathew 27:46 "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"
P8B Mathew 28:2 angel of the Lord came down from heaven going to the tomb, rolled back the stone
P5A Mark 10:45 The son of man came to give his life as a ransom
P6B Mark 15:34 "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"
P7B Luke 16:19-31 The parable of the rich man and Lazarus says Lazarus went to Abrahams side.
P8B Luke 18:33 they will kill him and he will raise on the third day
P6B Luke 23:46 Jesus called out with a loud voice, "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit."
P8C Luke 24:25 Did not the Christ have to suffer all these things and then enter his glory.
P8C Luke 24:45-46 The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day,
P8B John 2:18-20 Destroy this temple and I will raise it again in three days
P5A John 10:17 The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life
P6B/7A
John 19:30 Jesus said, "It is finished." With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
P7A John 20:1 Mary came to the tomb while is was still dark
P8C John 20:17 I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'
P8C John 20:21 Again Jesus said, "Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you
P
Acts 10:43 All prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness
P8B Romans 1:4 by his resurrection from the dead
P6B Romans 3:23-25 by Christ Jesus. 25God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement.
P4B Romans 3:24-26 God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement
P3
Romans 4:25 He was delivered over to death for our sins and raised to life for our justification.
P3
Romans 5:8 God demonstrates his own love for us: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
P8A Romans 6:5 We are united in death and in resurrection
P3
Romans 8:3-4 By sending his own son in the likeness of sinful flesh
P2
Romans 11:26-27 And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins.
P8A 1 Corinthians 6:14 The lord raised him from the dead
P4B 1 Corinthians 15:3 Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures
P8A 1 Corinthians 15:35 The natural body and the spiritual body
P8A 2 Corinthians 4:14 God raised him from the dead
P5C 2 Corinthians 5:20-21 God made him who had no sin to be sin for us
P6C 2 Corinthians 6:17 touch no unclean thing and I will welcome you
P1B Galatians 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us
P2
Galatians 3:1-29 Reference only
P7B Ephesians 4:8-9 he ascended" mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions?
P8A Philipians 3:10 We are like Jesus in his death
P3
1 Thessalonians 5:10 died for us, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with him
P6A 1 Timothy 6:16 Who alone has immortality
P5A 1 Timothy 2:5-6 There is one God and one mediator
P2
Hebrews 7:20-22 Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant.
P5B Hebrews 7:27 He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself.
P2
Hebrews 8:6 But the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant
P5B Hebrews 9:14 Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God
P2/5A Hebrews 9:15 For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant

P4B/5B/7B Hebrews 9:27-28 Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people;
P4B Hebrews 10:12 offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God.
P9
1 Peter 1:3 a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
P8A 1 Peter 1:21 God who raised him from the dead
P5C 1 Peter 2:9 you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God
P5C 1 Peter 2:9-10 once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.
P4B 1 Peter 2:24 "and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross,
P3/7B 1 Peter 3:18 Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, bring you to God.
P4A 1 John 1:5 God is light, in him there is no darkness at all.
P4B 1 John 2:2 He is the one who turns aside God's wrath, taking away our sins
P6B Revelation 1:17-18 I died, behold I am alive
P8A Revelation 20:4-5 The dead souls come to life on the Day of Judgment