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GBC: Can we ask some quesGons? rla Gurudeva: You can ask and I can answer up to my knowledge; it may be wrong, it may be right. Pradyumna Prabhu (GBC): It seems to me that aWer the disappearance of rla Prabhupda, my spiritual master, I am pu[ng more trust in the caitya-guru within. Is this normal to do aWer the disappearance of your guru and how can we develop the ability to take guidance from Ka in the heart in order to help us serve our guru. I want to respect the advice of my godbrothers, but they have many dierent opinions. So, I try to surrender more also to caityaguru. I wanted to ask you about that. rla Gurudeva: My opinion is that guru is always within. But we have not seen. But his mercy and he himself is present to us, always giving mercy. So, I need to pray more to our beloved gurudeva. He is always present. As in the present Gme of your gurudeva, you were serving and wanGng guidance. This Gme also, you should not think that, our guru is not present, so we should go to our caitya-guru. Caitya-guru is always, and dk is always, present. So why should we not go to our dk-guru? There is no lackness of dk-guru. He is always present. But we should pray to him that you should reveal in our heart. Caitya-guru, without praying, he will do what he has to do. And he is Ka, He is always wanGng that all my dears should come to me. He is hankering to do mercy. So, I think it is beaer to pray to our gurudeva to reveal in our heart and he should give proper guidance in our heart how we could serve more and more to him. I think it is proper. And ik-guru can do; who is the mahanta-guru. Dk-guru is also mahanta- guru and ik-guru is also mahanta-guru. If one has ik-guru he should go to ik-guru, Gme to Gme and take advice what to do how to do, how to serve Rdh-Ka and guru. I think if we 1
are
very
honest
to
our
guru
he
would
certainly
and
certainly
come
in
our
heart
and
he
will
make see
us.
GBC:
Thats
a
very
saGsfying
understanding.
rla
Gurudeva:
I
see
that
in
r
Bhad-bhgavatmta
that
thousands
and
thousands
of
years,
lakhs
and
lakhs
of
years
had
passed,
but
yet
gurudeva
comes
to
Gopa-kumara;
or
rmaG
Rdhik
sends
her
near
and
dear
Gopa-kumara
to
Jnana
Sarma
and
they
are
eager
to
do
mercy
upon
them.
So,
if
our
gurudeva
is
in
that
level
and
we
are
in
the
level
of
Jnana
Sarma,
or
true
devotees,
Ka
and
gurudeva
will
surely
have
mercy
upon
us.
We
dont
think
this
quesGon.
Not
a
single
Gme
this
quesGon
has
come
to
my
mind
because
I
have
full
faith
in
our
guru.
I
always
pray
my
gurudeva,
that
he
should
give
me
how
I
can
serve
him.
How
he
can
have
parama-pururtha.
Do
you
know
this
term?
GBC:
Yes,
last
goal,
yes.
rla Gurudeva: Yes, last goal. Yesterday we were reading r Bhad-bhgavatmta. rla Santana Gosvm is telling that we pray for the dust of lotus feet of Ka; but not only the dust of the lotus feet of Ka. The lotus feet of Ka should have kumkum; kumkum you know? The color the gops used to have on their breast and they have kept Kas lotus feet on their breasts and that color, kumkum, has aaached to His lotus feet and it has been colored and the dust of that color I want to put on my head. This is the last parama-pururtha of any jva at any Gme. There is no beaer any pururtha the for jva beaer than this. rla Santana Gosvm, rla Rpa Gosvm and r Raghuntha Dsa Gosvm (wanted to give this). So, gurudeva and Ka are also eager always to give these things, utmost highest things. If the jva has so much qualicaGons, then he can have, otherwise not. At least this wish should be in the heart of any sdhaka. GBC: Can I ask another quesGon? I came to see you in Nana in 1986 and I asked you if it was 2
alright to admit to my disciples that I had made some mistakes. At that Gme the mistakes were that I was si[ng on a vyssana the same level as rla Prabhupda and taking a big Gtle like gurupada and si[ng above my own godbrothers. So, you told me that if I admiaed that these were mistakes my disciples would not lose faith in me but they would appreciate the honesty as humility. So, since then I tried to be very open and honest with disciples and godbrothers also. If I feel some envy or some bad thing I admit it; but some of my godbrothers say that I may mislead disciples if I am too open. For example a few years ago I read some books by ChrisGan saints so rather than keep it private I told that I am doing this. So, my quesGon is should there be a private life that should be kept private and secret or should a sdhu be as open as possible in regard to things like admi[ng mistakes but also revealing your mind and also...uhyour inGmate realizaGons. What is the relaGon of the secrecy and truthfulness. rla Gurudeva: Some principles, or some things, are subject to hide and some things are for open. We should always think that we should not be harmful for lowers or sons or disciples. As we are pracGcing rgnuga-bhak= for example, it should not be open to all, it must be kept secret, only to those who are qualied persons we can tell something. Not all our sphr=s, inner realizaGons, should be told to them because it may cause to their fallness. Similarly, uhso many things can be...that if we can tell everything they are not in the posiGon to take it in a beaer way so we should keep it secret. And something which is good for them according to their grade we can tell them. And if you and they are in the same level, as a friend you can tell you may not tell. Everything which we realize should not be told to openly in general mass. Always we should be careful for this. apana sadhana kotai na kohibe jata kotai In r Caitanya-caritmta it has been told that you are pracGcing bhak=-yoga and if you have some realizaGons you should not tell other persons in general mass because it will be like 3
camphor;
it
will
evaporate
like
camphor;
so
you
must
think
about
the
qualicaGon
of
iks,
whether
it
is
harmful
or
not.
In
my
idea,
as
vaiava
should
keep
secret
something,
it
has
been
told:
sleeping,
eaGng,
drinking,
bhajana,
sadhana
If
anyone
in
the
general
mass
will
see,
they
will
think,
Oh,
we
are
all
the
same.
So,
it
may
harm
them.
Everything
should
not
be
told.
If
it
is
for
benet
of
disciples
GBC:
What
about
the
benet
of
the
person?
Does
it
ever
benet
him
to
disclose
something?
rla
Gurudeva:
If
by
keeping
secret
that
benet
is
there,
we
can
do.
But
we
should
always
be
careful
that
our
heart
and
vyavahra
and
vicra,
inner
and
outer,
should
be
one.
Ehwe
should
not
have
any
incorrect
connecGon
with
a
lady.
If
I
have
any
illicit
connecGon
then
we
will
have
to
hide.
So
we
should
not
have
any
illicit
connecGon
with
anyone
so
that
I
will
have
to
hide.
So
we
should
not
do
anything
so
that
we
may
have
to
hide.
Only
bhajana
and
sdhana
should
be
there.
GBC:
And
I
had
some
quesGons
about
rgnuga-bhak=.
Um
in
some
of
the
gauya-vaiava
sampradyas
they
pracGce
rgnuga-sdhana
even
when
the
disciple
is
not
yet
perfect.
So,
rla
Prabhupda,
as
I
read
in
his
books,
he
indicates
this
too,
to
some
degree,
but
he
doesnt
teach
it
specically
in
terms
of
how
to
know
your
eternal
rasa
with
Ka.
Um,
there
is
a
an
impression
among
the
devotees
in
ISKCON,
many
of
them,
most
of
them
I
would
say,
that
to
culGvate
rgnuga-bhak=
is
not
necessary
in
order
to
go
back
to
godhead.
And
they
think
like
this:
"This
is
how
you
can
go
back
to
godhead:
if
you
work
hard
in
ISKCON,
even
if
you
dont
know
what
is
your
rasa
with
Ka ,
you
will
go
to
Ka
aWer
death
and
then
everything
will
be
revealed
to
you
then.
You
already
have
a
specic
rasa
but
you
dont
know
it.
It
will
be
awakened
within
you
by
service
to
guru.
rla
Gurudeva:
This
is
to
misguide,
certainly.
And
to
taunch
(editor:
unsure
of
meaning
of
taunch).
This
is
certainly
a
wrong
siddhnta.
GBC:
Maybe
envious
siddhnta.
rla
Gurudeva:
This
should
not
be
taught.
Without
rgnuga-bhak=
we
can
not
go
to
Ka.
Certainly.
If
anyone
does
not
know
sambandha-jna,
he
is
full
of
anarthas,
by
serving
and
by
increasing
income
one
can
not
go
in
ko,
ko
years
and
never
will
go
to
Ka;
in
my
opinion
and
in
stra
opinion.
He
should
do
bhak=.
Then
it
will
be
very
cheaper
for
us.
Then
at
once
Ka
concsciousness,
leaving
all
these
things;
but
I
think
this
is
to
misguide.
They
are
ruining
themselves
and
all
persons.
Ka
consciousness
is
for
serving
Rdh
and
Ka,
not
for
ISKCON.
ISKCON
is
to
teach
how
we
can
serve
Rdh
and
Ka
and
gurudeva.
Guru
and
Ka
will
not
teach
a
person
not
to
serve
them
and
to
serve
ISKCON.
So
I
don't
think
so.
Gauya
Vednta
SamiG
or
ISKCON,
or
anything,
is
to
serve
Ka
and
Rdh.
So,
rgnuga-bhak=
must
be
followed.
We
certainly
follow
rla
Rpa
Gosvm.
Without
following
rla
Rpa
Gosvm
a
man
with
thousands
and
krodas
chan
living
in
ISKCON
only,
having
no
sambandha-jna,
no
bhajana,
he
will
never
but
he
will
fall
at
once,
like
(person's
name)
and
all
others.
GBC:
Then
I
want
to
ask
about
the
pracGce
of
rgnuga-bhak=.
rla Gurudeva: I think(laughter)this is to teach persons and devotees how to get Ka and Rdh's service. This is the main object of ISKCON and that is why rla Prabhupda, your gurudeva, went to the western countries by the order of his spiritual master. There have no any ambiGon other than to serve Rdh and Ka and Caitanya Mahprabhu. 5
GBC: But if you distribute a book, isnt that serving Rdh and Ka? Or clean the temple?
rla
Gurudeva:
(light
laughter:
hehe).
This
can
be
general
sev
so
that
we
can
teach
the
world
how
to
serve
Ka,
for
this
it
can
help
like
we
are
doing
jna,
sacrice.
We
are
bringing
ghee,
wood,
bricks,
sand,
cement,
this
can
be
bringing
all
these
things
collecGng
all
these
things
may
be
called
sacrice
but
it
is
not
sacrice;
svh
"I
am
giving
myself,
whole
thing
to
the
lotus
feet of
Ka."
That
is
sacrice.
If
it
is
not
done,
bringing
and
doing
and
laboring,
everything
is
not
sacrice.
In
this
manner,
if
you
are
doing
sakrtana-jna
for
Rdh
and
Ka
to
please
Rdh and
Ka
or
to
serve
Rdh
and
Ka
Caitanya
Mahprabhu
,
then
if
anyone
is
cleaning
the
oor,
not
cleaning,
he
is
also
cleaning
the
vicana
of
any
vaiava,
it
is
bhak=.
GBC:
Vicana?
rla
Gurudeva:
Latrine,
like
Naroaama
dsa
hkura
cleaned
the
latrine
of
his
gurudeva
GBC:
Oh
yes...
rla
Gurudeva:
So,
anything,
any
acGvity
or
endeavor
or
gesture
or
prana,
mana,
vacana,
anukla
for
Ka,
it
is
called
uCam
bhak=.
Not
only
sakrtana,
sakrtana
is
best,
nama- sankirtana,
but
anything,
any
wish,
any
mental
thing,
any
acGon,
either
physical
or
mental,
will
be
bhak=,
GBC:
If
the
bhava...
rla Gurudeva: if bhak= is there. And to read bhgavata and to serve arcana will be against bhak= if you are going against the principles; If you are doing arcana if you are doing bhgavata-kath you are preaching for yourself, or wife and children, then it will be against bhak=. To read bhgavata and to do arcana also. So, it depends on this heart. So, I think that we must follow rla Rpa Gosvm he (rla Prabhupda) has come to preach the principles of rla Rpa Gosvm, ri Caitanya Mahprabhu, rla Svarpa Damodara Gosvm and Rmnanda Rya only. And for the beaerment (of society) he established ISKCON to preach the service of 6
Rdh
and
Ka
Caitanya
Mahprabhu.
If
they
are
not
preaching
correctly
we
should
leave
at
once
this
society.
And
if
they
are
doing
service
we
should
all
thank.
I
also
think,
I
am
in
the
Gauya
Vednta
SamiG,
in
a
moment
when
I
will
see
that
they
are
not
serving
Ka
I
will
at
once
leave
this
Gauya
Vednta
SamiG.
I
have
not
come
to
see
Gauya
Vednta
SamiG,
but
I
have
come
to
see
that
they
are
all
serving
to
Ka
and
Rdh.
rla
Rpa
Gosvm
has
wriaen
in r
BhakG-rasmta-sindhu-bindu,
Ujjvala-nlamai
and
others,
how
a
jva,
a
condiGoned
soul,
can
come
towards
Ka
and
can
achieve
the
highest
thing
highest
service
of
Rdh
and
Ka. So,
we
certainly
must
adopt
all
these
things.
If
they
are
adopGng
and
doing
we
should
certainly
follow
ISKCON;
but
if
they
are
not
we
can
think
more.
One
thing
also,
you
have
quesGon?
What
rpnuga-vaiava? GBC:
In
the
gauya-vaiava
sampradya
do
they
pracGce
rgnuga-sdhana
even
in
the
intermediate
or
neophyte
stage?
rla Gurudeva: Here we can see that whether he is a wretched person, he has no ability, he is a roaen person, but yet he has greed by the grace of a rasika vaiava by reading rmad Bhgavtam and by hearing rmad Bhgavtam he is able to do rgnuga-bhajana. Someone may say that he is not pious, his soul is not pure, he has no satya, sama, dhama and all these qualiGes, he is hankering aWer women, do you understand? And he has some bad society or anything. Like Bilvamagala hkura, he was not a good person, but anyhow he had a greed by the mercy of Ka Himself as a caityaguru, or by the grace of Cintmai who always used to do very sweet songs about Ka and Rdh; and by his gurudeva, Somagiri. Anyhow he has greed and that greed in a very roaen condiGon yet he went so high. There should be greed and this is availability for doing rgnuga-bhajana . Whether he is a wretched person or not or he is a pure soul or anything only he should have greed, and that greed should be actual greed. Then he can do rgnuga-bhajana and by bhajana his all things will be clean. In rmad 7
Bhgavtam vikrita vraja-vadhbhir ida ca vio raddhnvito 'nuuyd atha varayed ya bhaktim par bhagavati pratilabhya kma hd-roga v apahinoty acirea dhra
[Anyone who faithfully hears or describes the Lords playful affairs with the young gopis of Vrndavana will attain the Lords pure devotional service. Thus he will quickly become sober and conquer lust, the disease of the heart. (Srimad-Bhagavatam, 10.33.39)] At
rst
bhak=
comes
and
all
these
evil
things
(go
away);
but
greed
must
be
pure
and
qualied
and
actual
greed
real
greed.
GBC:
May
I
ask
more
about
that?
I
met
a
person
recently,
his
name
is
Gaddhara
pra
he
was
a
disciple
of
Lalit
Prasda,
the
son
of
rla
BhakGvinoda
hkura.
So
he
was
in
ISKCON
then
he
leW.
He
was
telling
me
that
in
his
sampradya,
now,
they
pracGce
rgnuga-sdhana.
He
said
in
ISKCON
you
only
pracGce
vaidhi-bhak=
you
have
to
pracGce
sdhana
even
when
you
are
not
perfect
but
to
bring
this
greed.
So,
they
have
this
prali
and
they
mediate
on
Kas
aa-klya-ll
so
he
was
advocaGng
or
preaching
that
you
should
bring
this
into
ISKCON.
rla
Gurudeva:
No,
we
should
not
follow
that.
We
know
Lalit
Prasda,
he
has
no
greed
he
has
only
kma.
So,
Prabhupda
BhakGsiddhnta
Sarasvav
hkura,
knowing
this,
he
refused
that
person.
We
know
these
things
and
our
gurudeva
also
refused
that
person.
GBC:
What
would
be
our
answer
though?
What
is
our
pracGce
of
rgnuga-sdhana
if
not
what
they
do?
rla Gurudeva: By doing this and by the grace of guru and Gaurga, or any rasika vaiava, we will hear the pasGmes of Ka. It is not sure, but we hope that we will have certainly greed. 8
And
then
we
will
be
advanced.
We
will
not
follow
sahajiy
vaiava.
This
should
come
from
upper
side.
Not
ascending,
it
should
be
descending
from
vaiava
or
Ka
jna
or
from
Ka. As
rla
Rpa
Gosvm
has
told,
they
are
distribuGng
rgnuga-bhajana.
Devotees
are
not
going
and
they
have
no
greed
to
serve
Rdh-Ka
but
they
are
distribuGng.
A
devotee
must
have
greed
then
they
should
be
told.
They
should
be
mercied.
But
they
have
not
seen
that
I
have
also
no
greed
and
these
disciples
have
no
greed
and
they
are
distribuGng
like
fruits.
This
is
not
right.
GBC:
Not
so
cheap.
rla Gurudeva: Certainly. td api su-ncena taror via sahiun amnin mna-dena krtanya sad hari ["One who thinks himself lover than the grass, who is more tolerant than a tree, and who does not expect personal honor yet is always prepared to give all respect to others can very easily always chant the hold name of the Lord" ( di 17.3, Antya 6.239, Antya 20.21)] This is siddha pranli. They are not following all these pranali. They are taking by cheap, very cheap. Without being so. By gathering so many ladies and by pracGcing. Like r Raghuntha 9
Dsa
Gosvm,
rla
Gaurakiora
Dsa
Bbj
Mahrja,
how
vairgyamrga.
But
I
think
rla
BhakGsiddhnta
Sarasvav
hkura
and
rla
BhakGvinoda
hkura
they
are
more
vairgya mrga
than
rla
Gaurakiora
Dsa
Bbj
Mahrja.
In
my
opinion.
GBC:
More
vairgya.
rla
Gurudeva:
More
vairgya.
But
this
requires
some
heart
and
mind
to
know
these
things.
Anything
more?
Govardhana-sil.
GBC: I have a personal request. I wanted to ask your permission if I could begin to worship the
rla
Gurudeva:
My
permission
you
want.
(unintelligible)
guru.... rla
Gurudeva:
If
you
like
you
can
do.
GBC:
Does
that
mean
I
can
go
to
the
govardhana
hill
and
take
one
stone?
rla
Gurudeva:
If
by
the
permission
of
guruji.
Why
you
are
not
going
towards
bhva-bhak=?
GBC:
Why
I
am
not...?
rla Gurudeva: You should know Hindi or Bengali because I can't express fully my idea so there are somerla Rpa Gosvm...rla BhakGvinoda hkura, what has he done? The last saptam gosvm, what has he done? 10
rla
Gurudeva:
No,
what
acGviGes
has
he
done
towards
arcana.
He
used
to
do
arcana?
GBC:
I
dont
know
his
arcana
acGviGes.
rla
Gurudeva:
You
dont
know?
Your
gurudeva,
used
to
do
arcana
or
not?
GBC:
Not
personally,
no.
rla
Gurudeva:
Like
you
are
going
to
do?
You
want
to
take
Govardhana-sil
and
when
you
take
it
you
will
have
to
always
do
arcana.
You
will
have
to
do?
Or
will
you
give
it
to
any
devotee?
GBC:
No.
rla Gurudeva: There are two kinds of sev to Rdh-Ka, one by arc-vigraha, by water and owers and all these things and other is bhva-sev, bhva-pupa. Bhva is their owers and love is their water. Theire inner bhvas are upta-karanas of sev internal ingredients. They 11
rla
Gurudeva:
So,
the
arcana
of
r
Raghuntha
Dsa
Gosvm
was
not
arcana
but
it
was
bhva-sev.
How
sev?
When
he
sees
Govardhana
he
at
once
goes
inner
and
sees
Rdh
and
Ka.
He
only
prays
to
Govardhana
with
tulas
that
I
should
serve
Rdh
and
Ka
and
only
the lls
in
Rdh-kua
in
mid-day.
This
is
bhva-sev.
What
he
has
wriaen
in
Vilapa-kusumanjali
or
all
other
prayers
in
Vraja-vilasa-stava
he
used
to
mentally
all
these
sevs.
Rdh
and
Ka
is
there
and
he
is
seeing
that,
"I
am
preparing
garlands,
tambule,
camphor,
chandan,
aguru
and
so
many
things
and
giving
at
the
need
Gme
in
certain
sev.
He
was
trying
to
do.
But
we
are
not
so
high.
So,
we
should
do
this
arcana
also.
So,
you
can,
if
you
want,
you
can
do.
But
you
should
always
try
to
enter
in
bhva-sev,
praying
by
uaering
the
lokas
of
Vilapa-kusumanjali,
Vraja- vilasa-stava,
r
Upademta,
Caitanya
ikaka
all
these
things.
GBC:
Not
just
the
outer
formality
of
arcana.
rla Gurudeva: I think that if every person, having a mood that I should worship Girirja with me, whether I am in Western countries or Southern countries or hither and thither, and if everyone will take every sil of Girirja, then what will be the condiGon of Govardhana (Laughing)? There will be no sign of Girirja Govardhana. So, it has been told in the Puras that if you want to take it keep an equal weight in gold there and then you should take; And (only) by the order of your spiritual master or in his absence there should be any high grade of vaiava. So, many Govardhana-sils and new devotees, they are very fond of worshipping Girirja Govardhana. They brought without telling anyone they brought from there. And aWer two, three, four months, there comes any disturbance or anything, they keep it here without (break in tape) Nma-sakrtana should be followed and service in heart. If these are two everything is 12
there
and
if
not
there
nothing
is
there.
r
Hari-bhakG-vilasa
is
for
ghastha-bhakta
not
for
(unintelligible)
and
in
this
r
Hari-bhakG-vilasa,
arcana,
sacrice
and
all
these
things
are
there.
And
then
aWer
reading
r
Hari-bhakG-vilasa
in
ghastha.(break
in
tape)they
should
obey
all
these
things
and
if
they
are
mature
they
should
read
all
these
things
and
they
should
be
vairg- vaiava
and
follow
bhva-sev
and
follow
rla
Rpa
Gosvm
and
all
others.
Anything
more?
GBC:
No.thank
you.
rla
Gurudeva:
In
my
wordings,
what
is
favorable
for
you,
you
can
take
it,
and
what
is
unfavorable
you
should
reject.
Tamal
Ka
prabhu
wanted
to
take
one
Govardhana-sil
for
Texas.
GBC:
I
heard.
A
very
big
one.
rla
Gurudeva:
He
told
that,
Yout
should
give
me.
I
told
that,
"I
will
not
give,
you
can
take.
The
responsibility
will
be
upon
you.
If
anything
goes
against
and
not
in
service;
aWer
Wy
years
if
he
has
no
good
disciple,
able
disciple,
that
disciple
will
take
Girirja
Govardhana
and
will
throw
in
the
sea.
We
should
think
for
abhieka
also.
GBC:
Yes
rla
Gurudeva:
If
you
are
so
eager
I
am
not
going
to
disturb
you.
You
can
take
a
liale
and
serve.
GBC:
Your
words
make
me
think,
I
have
to
think
more.
rla Gurudeva: (break in tape) ...SarasvaG and your gurudeva, my gurudeva, ehwere not in a mood that in this present Gme all are hankering for rgnuga-bhak=. They wanted that in a proper way we should go. By real bhak= vaidhi-bhak= we should go. And if greed comes, it is so much beaer. So much beaer. So Bhagavn. But without greed we shold not think all these pas[mes. It should come in proper way. A greed by pracGce will not come, by reading it will not 13
come. I love a lady. I saw a lady and I loved her. No reason, nothing. So the service of by their gops or sakha they hearing the pasGmes and by past saskra. Do you know saskra? GBC: Previous impressions in the heart. rla Gurudeva: By that a greed comes. By any acGviGes, greed can not come. It will come itself. But by the associaGon of a rasika vaiava and hearing the ll-kath by rasika vaiava. Without a rasika vaiava it will not come. If Ka does mercy He will do through the rasika vaiava. See. And if a rasika vaiava son comes he can not adopt it, otherwise we have no saskra. We will not recognize him, "Who is he?". So, we should follow faithfully vaidhi- bhak=. The principles of vaidhi-bhak= and rgnuga-bhak= of the heart are not dierent, they are the same same r-prahrda uvca ravaa krtana vio smaraa pda-sevanam arcana vandana dsya sakhyam tma-nivedanam iti pusrpit viau bhakti cen nava-laka kriyeta bhagavaty addh tanmanye 'dhtam uttamam
["Prahlda Mahrja said: 'Hearing and chanting about the transcendental holy name, form, qualities, paraphernalia and pastimes of Lord Viu, remembering them, serving the lotus feet of the Lord, offering the Lord respectful worship with sixteen types of paraphernalia, offering prayers to the Lord, becoming His servant, considering the Lord's one's best friend, and surrendering everything unto Him (in other words, serving Him with the body, mind and words)these nine processes are accepted as pure devotional service. One who has dedicated his life to the service of Ka through these nine methods should be understood to be the most learned person, for he has acquired complete knowledge.'" 14
(SB 7.5.23-24, Madhya 9.259-260)] or sdhu-saga, nma-krtana, bhgavata-ravaa mathur-vsa, r-mrtira raddhya sevana ["One should associate with devotees, chant the holy name of the Lord, hear rmad-Bhgavatam, reside at Mathur and worship the Deity with faith and veneration." (Madhya 22.128)] (They
are
both
the)
same
in
vaidhi-bhak=
and
same
in
rgnuga-bhak=,
but
the
moods
are
dierent;
thinking
and
hearing
and
chanGng
are
dierent.
In
vaidhi-bhak=
Prahlda-
charitra,
Uddhava-sambandha,
not
Sandesh,
Uddhava-sambandha
in
the
11th
Canto,
DevahuG-Kapila
sambandha,
(another)
asura
and
all
other
things.
These
are
anukla
for
vaidhi-bhak=.
So
ravaa
this
should
be
so.
Any
rgnuga-ravaa
is
another
(unintelligble)
r
Caitanya- caritmta,
rmad
Bhgavatam
tenth
canto,
the
books
of
rla
Rpa
Gosvm,
rla
Santana
Gosvm,
and
all
those
things,
Jayadeva
Gosvm,
all
these
according
to
our
greed.
Krtana,
krtana
is
the
same,
but
that
krtana,
vaidhi-bhak=-krtana,
the
krtana
of
Naroaama
dsa
hkura
and
rla
BhakGvinoda
hkura
and
all
others,
was
primary
aragaG,
Kalyana
Kalpataru
and
all
those
things.
We
can
do
krtana
of
all
these
and
in
rgnuga,
Naroaama
dsa
hkura's
Lalasamayi,
and
Anuragamayi
and
all
these.
So,
we
will
have
to
follow
the
vaidhi- bhak=
also
and
if
he
is
rgnuga
he
should
follow
also
the
principles
of
vaidhi-bhak=.
rla
BhakGvinoda
hkura
has
wriaen
vaidhi-bhak=
raka
jane
/
sva-vinota
ratna-gane
/raga-marge
karena-pravesa/
(unknown
verse)
"those
who
will
heartly
follow
the
principles
of
vaidhi-bhak=,
heartly
he
should
do,
then
Ka
and
Ka's
servants
will
do
pravesa
in
rgnuga-mrga;
by
their
mercy
that
devotee
will
enter
in
rgnuga.
(Break
in
tape.
Tape
become
unclear
aNer
minute
54.00)
rla
Gurudeva:
These
are
ve
books.
r
BhakG-rasmta-sindhu-bindu,
Ujjvala-nlamai,
r
Bhad- Bhgavatmta
and
Rga-vartma-candrik.
Those
who
want
to
be
gaudiya
vaisnava,
caitany
mahaprabhu
taught,
they
should
adopt
bindu
kirankar
and
Rga-vartma-candrik.
What
means
Rga-
15
vartma-candrik? Rga-vartma-candrik: Chandrika is coming from Rdh and Ka and it is making signing the way of rag. GBC: I read something you spoke in English and he typed on that. Like a translaGon. Very wonderful.
rla
Gurudeva:
Madhura-kana
meaning,
do
you
know
the
meaning?
Do
you
know
Hindi?
GBC:
Uhshower
of
nectar?
rla
Gurudeva:
Mdhurya,
mdhurya-rasa,
and
if
rains
nectar,
this
nectar
comes
from
ri
Caitanya
Mahprabhu
and
comes
to
rla
Vivantha
Cakravarv
hkura
and
from
him
the
shower
of
nectar
comes.
These
ve
books
to
commentary,
with
commentary.
This
kind
with
comment.
GBC:
You
have
begun?
rla
Gurudeva:
Not
now,
but
I
want.
Vmana
Mahrja
and
all
other
members
are
telling
me
to
translate
r
Caitanya-caritmta
and
rla
Vivantha
Cakravarv
hkura's
Gita
and
rmad
Bhgavatam
some
but
I
have
no
Gme
at
all
to
do
all
these
things.
It
requires
a
lot
of
energy
which
I
have
not
a
lot
of
energy
or
anything.
I
could
do
it
but
a
very
precious
thing. GBC:
DisGll
the
essence
of
everything;
all
the
big
works
are
coming
into
recourse
of
rla
Vivantha
Cakravarv
hkura.
GBC:
Maharaja,
last
Gme
you
spoke
to
me
you
encouraged
me
to
pracGce
arcana
inside,
not
external
arcana;
I
want
to
learn
more
how
to
do
that
internal
arcana.
Too
many
years
I
have
been
doing
external.
rla
Gurudeva:
You
can
conGnue
but
you
should
also
do
like
our
gosvms.
GBC:
If
I
am
chanGng
means
to
say
Hare
Ka
/
Hare
Ka
is
the
external
part
but
what
is
internal?
Think
of
Ka?
rla
Gurudeva:
So
many
things.
All
these
are
external.
ChanGng
harinma
and
being
in
Vndvana
in
Rdh-kua
in
especially...and
praying,
not
now,
you
should
think
but
you
should
pray
that
we
should
have
it.
It
has
been
wriaen
here
in
r
BhakG-rasmta-sindhu-bindu.
Bhajan-aga... GBC:
...Bhajana-aga,
parts
of
raganuga...
rla Gurudeva: Those who want to enter, those who yet not enter, but they want, they have some 16
greed. Greed has no reason. It does not require any reason why. Greed is greed. Seeing beauGful dieGes of Rdh-Ka very lovely, in the mood of dieGes or hearing the pasGmes of Ka by vaiavas; upper room we have very (details) regarding rmad Bhgavatam especially the tenth canto and the books of gosvms. We can have it. Then we should do to quench our greed. This can be found only in stra or in the heart of vaiavas. These are the ve kinds of reasons of how to enter. TaC tat bhava maiya. Tat bhava maiya, do you know? Bhava maiya some are bhva-sambandh related to bhva. Some are bhva- maiy means nta, dsya, sakhya vtsalya and mdhurya bhva-maiy. We will have to chose upon what our duty is; according to that. We will think Ka and His associates of that bhva. So this is bhva- maiy and bhva-sambandh, related to that bhva GBC: Hearing and chanGng.
rla Gurudeva: I am explaining and sat bhava anukula tat bhava anuki not adverse and some are tata bhava pra=kula we should not adopt and forced we should adopt. Among these, to think about dsya, sakhya, vtsalya and having greed to enter among. We should always think about Ka and His associates like if we want mdhurya-rasa we will have to follow Rpa- majar and all others and always chanGng and remembering, Oh, Ka. These are bhva- maiy. The prema-kalpa-taru all these bhvas right? Always thinking and worship like this like rasika mood. In morning you are si[ng, about 6 or 5, thinking: I am going to Yamun, Ke-gha, and I am taking bath and in svaran-karnas I am taking bath, in golden pot, like Indians, and I am also sakhya, sakhya means Sudhama, or I am vtsalya, or I am Yaod's very near and dear or I am any ds of Rdh. I have brought water from there from Rdh-kua, Mnas-gaga, or water from Ganges near Varkana-ghata. In front of Mypur, in front of where ri Caitanya Mahprabhu played drums and I am Ka. He will give you varkana so that if you worship me I will give you words that you will have very beauGful husband and if you dont worship me your husband will be old one, very blackish. So, 17
this is Varkana-vata. Very, very near and dear to ri Caitanya Mahprabhu. Or any gha of Navadvpa where ri Caitanya Mahprabhu used to play with boys and to take bath in Ganges. From there I will take. But in Ka ll it is very good to take bath in Yamun, or Mnas-gaga or Rdh-kua, yma-kua, mana-sarovara or prema-sarovara and other places. If you want to worship as the gops and do arcana how arcana? If you can go to Javana, it is very good. rmaG Rdhik is there. You should make bath for her there, as if I am bathing and doing arcana if you want you can have a very golden temple, where Rdh-Ka are there. I am cooking myself. AWer doing arcana not so and giving to Rdh-Ka and aWer doing ra= and other things at last give rest. When, aWer giving owers, pupa-ajali, and we can again all the Gme read Ka and do all these things. These are bhvaa; according to our bhva and according to Gme we should do all these things. Perhaps you have heard the story in Padma-Pura, or any Puras, that there was a man who went to hear rmad Bhgavatam, or any Pura, and he was hearing that Puras a story, that there was a brhmaa who wanted to do arcana of Nryaa but actually he had no mandira no anything. That brhmaa heard that mentally we can do arcana. So, hearing he prayed how. AWer taking bath he sat down facing east and began to do arcana. He went to Ganges, took bath in Ganges, he brought water in colors. In temple. Temple was golden. Diety was very shining. Nryaa and Lakm. He did arcana by mind. And aWer that he went to cook room and cooked sweet rice and took it in a golden cup but it was, what? He put his nger to see if it was so warm or not; but it was so warm and when he put it in his nger his nger had a blister. In Vaikuha Nryaa began to laugh. Lakm said, Why are you laughing? He said, In that tri-loka one of my devotees has given me sweet rice and he put his nger in there to see how how it was and his nger has been burned and he has a blister. She said, I want to see that devotee. Nryaa then told that devotee, "You will have to go to 18
Vaikuha."
So
by
mind
it
can
be
done
and
all
our
aa-klya-ll
smaraa
is
according
to
this.
If
a
man
does all
these
things
then
this
means
our
hand
is
out
of
indriya.
Mind
is
indriya,
so
we
will
have
more
things
by
doing
hands
than
by
.
Because
it
is
the
thing
of
all
indriya.
So,
a
smaraa
wants
one.
If
mind
is
sama
and
it
is
in
immersed
in
Ka
consciousness
it
is
beaer
than
outer
indriya
so
our gosvms
have
discovered
all
these
things
to
worship
Rdh
and
Ka.
So,
this
can
be
done.
All
the
things
we
are
doing
by
indriya
we
can
do
it
by
mind
also.
We
can
go
in
a
place
where
all
these
things
arent
available
but
by
mind
it
is
always
possible.
A
man
can
steal
all
these
things.
They
can
take
vigraha
also,
but
they
can
not
steal
our
mind.
So,
ri
Caitanya
Mahprabhu
has
by mind
also
so
much
superior.
But
we
should
do
also
by
these
indriya
also.
And
for
kalikala
chanGng
of
nama
and
remembering
the
pasGmes
it
is
more
superior
GBC:
More
superior
than?
rla
Gurudeva:
...than
other
pracGcing.
ChanGng
of
name
and
remembering
of
pasGmes
of
Ka
and
their
parikara
is
more
superior.
And
that
should
be
our
ulGmate
goal.
So,
he
has
wriaen
how
sambandh-bhva-maiy
at
rst.
What
is
the
meaning
of
bhva-maiy?
Bhva
means
to
remember
Ka
and
his
associates
in
Gopla-mantra
svaha
gopi
janasvahathis
is
bhva
which
we
are
going
to
take
or
we
are
going
to
Ka
this
is
bhva.
GBC:
The
way
we
wish
to
worship
Ka.
rla Gurudeva: ...and Rdhik gop jana vallabha. Ka is vallabha of gops. Now I am giving myself as a gop and keeping that gop vallabha is our vallabha. This bhva is svaha; sva means myself ha means we are giving in purnamur=. Purnamur= you know? Means in sacrice we give all things. So, we are giving myself in the lotus of gops and vallabha as my vallabha. rmaG Rdhik is our worshipful diety and we are maidservants of rmaG Rdhik. So his vallabha will be my vallabha and her bhva is my bhva. Now, I am giving everything to the lotus feet r 19
Rdhik
and
gop
jana
vallabha
Ka.
This
is
bhva-maiy
paramadhura
rsa.
Subala
and
rdhama
and
their
bhva
are
bhva-sambandh-maiy.
Understand
something? GBC:
Yes,
I
do. rla
Gurudeva:
Bhva,
bhva-maiy,
and
now
bhva-sambandh.
From
shelter
of
guru
padapadma
from
there
to
ik
and
dk,
both,
and
aWer
that
ik
and
dk
means
everything
comes
and
then
visvama-hena
guro
sev
means
with
bhva,
we
should
serve
Ka with
gurudeva
keeping
very
away,
fear
that
he
is
most
superior
and
I
am
most
wretched.
Being
on
the
same
level
I
am
very
near
and
dear
this
is
called
visvam-bhva.
Visvama-hena
guro
sev
what
he
wants,
we
should
do.
We
should
always
be
in
a
mood
that
we
should
make
to
his
order
with
heart
this
is
visvama-hena
guro
sev.
These
are
ten,
ten
of
64.
These
are
bhva-sambandha-gita
they
were
bhva,
bhva-maiy
and
bhva
sambandha.
Without
this
we
can
not
enter.
Remembering
of
gurudeva
is
not
remembering
of
Ka
but
yet
remembering
of
gurudeva
in
spite
of
gurudeva
but
gurudeva
knows.
nikuja-yno rati-keli-siddhyai y ylibhir yuktir apekany tatrti-dkd ati-vallabhasya vane guro r cararavindam [r Gurudeva is always present with the sakhs, planning the arrangements for the perfection of yugala-kiora's amorous pastimes (rati-keli) within the kujas of Vndvana. Because he is so expert in making these tasteful arrangements for Their pleasure, he is very dear to r Rdh and Ka. I offer prayers unto the lotus feet of ri Gurudeva. (r Guruaakam 6)]
You
know
the
meaning?
GBC:
The
spiritual
master
is
assisGng
the
gops
in
their
arrangements
for
Rdh-Ka
rla Gurudeva: 20
[At every moment r Gurudeva is experiencing intense greed in his heart to tast the unlimited sweetness of the holy names, forms, qualities, and pastimes of r Rdh-Mdhava in Vndvana. I offer my prayers unto the lotus feet of r Gurudeva. (r Gurvaakam 5)] To remember gurudeva means to remember what our gurudeva does the sev of Ka and r Rdhik and gops in Vndvana. That should be required. It is very helpful for going in prema- salbidra, kalpa-vrksa. This is bhva-sambandh and as ragatmika-bhakta does in Vraja. Time to Gme all these sev you should remember. This is called bhva-sambandh. And Ekda, Janmam, KrGkka-vrata. You should give up enjoyment of all material things. Tulasi astata saman vaiava samana; all these are bhva-anukla; we should do. And namacha, mala with =laka all are bhva-avirudha, these are not against our bhva so they should be accepted and bhava-vrta; that is Rukmi-bhava, Rukmi arcana and all the things which are not anukla for our bhva they should be rejected whether these are bhak= among 64 yet they will have to be rejected. GBC: No harm if we give them up. GBC: Must give them up. rla Gurudeva: Yes. End tape.
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