Chat Logs for Friday, August 03, 2012 Fri Aug 03, 2012 06:56:34 PM>Crystal OKeefe: hello

all Fri Aug 03, 2012 06:57:37 PM>Michelle Jakway: hello Fri Aug 03, 2012 06:57:53 PM>Amanda Taylor: hello Fri Aug 03, 2012 06:58:12 PM>Sandy Trujillo: good evening Fri Aug 03, 2012 06:58:47 PM>Crystal OKeefe: Anyone else completely blind sided in this course? Fri Aug 03, 2012 06:59:31 PM>Crystal OKeefe: Honestly, I thought I would do well. Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:00:20 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: GOOD EVENING EVERYONE AND WELCOME TO OUR CHAT Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:00:28 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: ANY ?????? Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:00:32 PM>Michelle Jakway: ? Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:00:39 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: MICHELLE Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:01:18 PM>Michelle Jakway: On the final guide you listed "teeth", is that everything related to them? Bite marks? Estimation of age? ID of skeletal remains? Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:01:55 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: YES - ANY THING RELATED USE OF TEETH IN FORENSIC INVESTIGATION Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:02:02 PM>Michelle Jakway: ok thanks Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:02:42 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: ANY MORE ? OR WE START OUR CHAT Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:02:49 PM>Jeanine Lemos: ? Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:02:52 PM>Eileen Boyd: ? Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:02:57 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: JEANINE Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:03:34 PM>Jeanine Lemos: I was having trouble finding why bridging of a laceration occurs. Can we discuss? Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:04:15 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: WHEN WE DISCUSS LACERATIONS - I WILL DO Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:04:21 PM>Jeanine Lemos: ok Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:04:37 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: EILEEN Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:04:39 PM>Eileen Boyd: What do you mean by mechanism of death wounds for the HW? Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:05:46 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: WHAT IS HW? PLEASE REMIND ME Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:06:20 PM>Eileen Boyd: List the possible mechanisms of death wounds (after injuries) Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:06:36 PM>Jeanine Lemos: HW=homework Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:06:48 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: OK THANKS Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:06:56 PM>Eileen Boyd: sorry Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:07:25 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: NO PROBLEM EILEEN Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:08:11 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: WHY A PERSON MAY DIE IF HE/SHE SUFFERED INJURY Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:08:46 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: IS MORE CLEAR EILEEN AND ALL OR NOT YET Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:08:52 PM>Eileen Boyd: yes thanks Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:08:53 PM>Crystal OKeefe: not yet Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:08:53 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: IT Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:08:57 PM>Jeanine Lemos: not yet for me Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:09:24 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: OK Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:09:41 PM>Shatora Irby: it is just the classification of wounds? Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:10:21 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: IF A PERSON WAS STABED IN THE CHEST - WHAT IS POSSIBLE MECHANISM OF DEATH? Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:10:39 PM>Eileen Boyd: cardiac tamponade Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:10:50 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: WHAT ELSE Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:11:11 PM>Michelle Jakway: hemorrage Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:11:17 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: YES Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:11:22 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: WHAT ELSE Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:11:32 PM>Crystal OKeefe: perforation of lungs

Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:11:45 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: OK Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:11:59 PM>Daniel Camp: histamine like shock Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:12:14 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: THANK YOU Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:12:29 PM>Jeanine Lemos: severe blood loss Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:12:46 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: IS IT CLEAR NOW - REGARDING MY ASSIGNMENT 4 QUESTION Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:12:51 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: EILEEN Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:12:58 PM>Eileen Boyd: yes, thanks Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:13:49 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: TO ANSWER THIS ASSIGNMENT 4 QUESTION - YOU NEED TO INCLUDE ALL POSSIBLE MECHANISMS Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:14:09 PM>Michelle Jakway: Yikes... Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:14:14 PM>Michelle Jakway: ? Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:14:20 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: MICHELLE Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:14:20 PM>Crystal OKeefe: That seems endless Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:14:21 PM>Michelle Jakway: Secondary conditions as well? Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:15:03 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: IT IS NOT ENDLESS AND IT IS DIRECT QUESTION Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:15:24 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: EVERY POSSIBLE MECHANISM Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:15:26 PM>Michelle Jakway: Such as stab wound that is so deep it penetrates the spinal cord and causes paralysis, years later the paralysis leads to pulmonary embolism? Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:15:36 PM>Crystal OKeefe: I didn't literally mean endless... Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:15:52 PM>Shane Black: Tech support helped me out and now im here! Sorry for being late Professor Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:16:03 PM>Michelle Jakway: Or eventual sepsis? Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:16:06 PM>Crystal OKeefe: Staph, MRSA, infection of wound... Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:16:09 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: CRYSTAL PLEASE POST ? SO I CAN ANSWER EVERYONE Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:16:34 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: NOTE Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:17:08 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: YOU DO NOT NEED TO MENTION EACH ORGAN AS YOU MENTIONED SPINAL CORD Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:17:31 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: ENOUGH TO MENTION - INJURIES OF THE VITAL ORGANS Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:17:46 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: WHICH MEANS ANY ORGAN Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:18:24 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: ANY THE QUESTION IS GENERAL AND NOT SPECIFIC TO ANY REGION IN THE BODY Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:18:34 PM>Michelle Jakway: ? Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:18:41 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: I HOPE THAT IT IS CLEAR NOW Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:18:46 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: MICHELLE Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:19:10 PM>Michelle Jakway: I am sorry, I just wanted to know if you want us to include primary and secondary causes of death? Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:19:47 PM>Michelle Jakway: I mean, secondary complications that lead to death Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:20:18 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: NO BECAUSE NO PRIMARY CAUSE OF DEATH - I JUST MENTIONED INJURIES IN GENERAL Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:20:27 PM>Michelle Jakway: ok thanka Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:21:07 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: ANY MORE ??? Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:21:12 PM>Shane Black: no Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:21:16 PM>Daniel Camp: no Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:21:17 PM>Shatora Irby: no Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:21:19 PM>Eileen Boyd: no Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:21:20 PM>Amanda Taylor: no Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:21:22 PM>Jeanine Lemos: no

Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:21:24 PM>Sandy Trujillo: no Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:21:24 PM>Nettie Cohen: no Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:21:33 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: THANKS Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:22:35 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: WHAT IS THE MEDICOLEGAL CLASSIFICATION OF MECHANICAL INJURIES (WOUNDS)? Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:23:22 PM>Michelle Jakway: abrasion, contusion, laceration, incision, stab Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:23:28 PM>Michelle Jakway: oops Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:23:31 PM>Eileen Boyd: abrasion, contusion, laceration, incised wounds Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:23:32 PM>Michelle Jakway: ignore me Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:23:32 PM>Daniel Camp: anatomical class, medicolegal, legal Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:23:56 PM>Amanda Taylor: abrasion, contusion, laceration, cut/incided, stab Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:24:03 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: YES Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:24:10 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: 1. ABRASIONS Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:24:19 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: 2. CONTUSIONS Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:24:27 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: 3. LACERATIONS Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:24:38 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: 4. CUT WOUNDS Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:24:47 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: 5. STAB WOUNDS Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:25:30 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: WHAT IS THE CAUSATIVE WEAPONS OF ABRASIONS? Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:25:51 PM>Shatora Irby: ? Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:26:08 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: SHATORA Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:26:08 PM>Michelle Jakway: any object that causes friction with the skin Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:26:26 PM>Shatora Irby: incised wounds and cut wounds the same thing, right? Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:26:45 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: NO SHATORA Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:26:58 PM>Eileen Boyd: sharp or blunt objects Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:27:19 PM>Shatora Irby: oh ok thanks Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:27:22 PM>Amanda Taylor: rough or blunt objects Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:27:37 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: YES Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:27:47 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: ROUGH OR BLUNT Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:28:56 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: IF YOU SEE A DEAD PERSON SHOWING GRAZE - WHAT IS THE CAUSE? Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:29:55 PM>Shatora Irby: he has fallen? Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:30:09 PM>Daniel Camp: sliding against rough surface Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:30:14 PM>Crystal OKeefe: contact in motion Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:30:29 PM>Jeanine Lemos: a bullet grazing across the skin Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:31:07 PM>Eileen Boyd: some type of contact with a rough surface Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:31:16 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: THANK YOU Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:32:14 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: GRAZE IS A FORM OF ABRASION Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:32:20 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: IT IS AN INJURY WHICH IS PRODUCED WHEN A BROADER AREA OF THE SKIN SLIDES AGAINST A ROUGH SURFACE. THE BODY IS MOBILE, THE INSTRUMENT (CAUSATIVE OBJECT) IS STATIONARY. IT IS COMMONLY SEEN IN TRAFFIC ACCIDENT, ALSO FALLING ON THE GROUND WHILE RUNNING. Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:32:47 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: NOTE Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:33:36 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: BULLETS CAN CAUSE GRAZE - BUT THIS WILL BE DISCUSSED WITH FIREARM INJURIES Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:34:11 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: AS WE MENTIONED YESTERDAY -FIREARM INJURIES IS A SEPARATE TOPIC Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:34:54 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: WHAT IS THE FORENSIC SIGNIFICANCE OF ABRASIONS? Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:35:09 PM>Crystal OKeefe: Shows motion/ movement

Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:35:38 PM>Shatora Irby: gives shape of instrument Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:35:40 PM>Nettie Cohen: it indicates struggle Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:35:41 PM>Eileen Boyd: indicates violence, gives idea abou the instrument used, Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:35:42 PM>Jeanine Lemos: direction which scrapping occured Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:35:46 PM>Amanda Taylor: give an idea of the causal instrument Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:35:54 PM>Eileen Boyd: indciates a struggle Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:36:08 PM>Daniel Camp: indicates violence, shape given of weapon, age of abrastion can est. time and date of crime Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:36:08 PM>Amanda Taylor: and site of abrasion can give an idea of the type of crime Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:36:21 PM>Michelle Jakway: retain evidence Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:36:33 PM>Shane Black: Age of abrasion can be estimated, so the date of crime can be known Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:36:49 PM>Michelle Jakway: indicate type of crime due to location on body Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:37:22 PM>Jeanine Lemos: possible indication of events like rope burn Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:38:18 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: THANK YOU Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:39:23 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: ABRASION HELPS IN DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN HYPOSTASIS AND CONTUSION? CAN YOU EXPLAIN Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:39:45 PM>Michelle Jakway: contusions are often seen in combo with abrasions Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:40:02 PM>Michelle Jakway: an abrasion likely has a contusion around the egdes Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:40:11 PM>Michelle Jakway: hypostasis doesnt Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:40:44 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: GOOD Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:41:10 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: YES WE MAY SEE ABRASIONS WITH CONTUSIONS, Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:41:24 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: AND NO ABRASIONS WITH HYPOSTASIS Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:42:36 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: PLEASE REVIEW WEEK4 CHAT1 - I POSTED MORE DETAIL ABOUT THE MEDICOLEGAL SIGNIFICANCE OF ABRASIONS. YOUR REQUIRED READING TOO Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:43:13 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: WHAT IS LACERATION? Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:43:38 PM>Nettie Cohen: a tear produced by blunt trauma Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:43:50 PM>Amanda Taylor: tearing/splitting of skin and subcutaneious tissues Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:43:53 PM>Michelle Jakway: tearing/splitting of skin and subcutaneous tissue caused by heavy blunt object Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:43:57 PM>Daniel Camp: tear and or split of skin or tissue Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:44:02 PM>Crystal OKeefe: Torn skin by blunt force Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:44:02 PM>Eileen Boyd: tearing and splitting of the skin caused by a blunt object Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:44:05 PM>Jeanine Lemos: tearing produced by blunt trauma Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:44:10 PM>Amanda Taylor: caused by heavy blunt objects Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:44:15 PM>Sandy Trujillo: tear or split of skin or tissue Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:44:55 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: PLEASE REMEMBER - MENTIONING THE CAUSATIVE OBJECT IS VERY IMPORTANT IN INJURIES Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:44:57 PM>Shane Black: tear in a tissue Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:46:09 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: GRINDING COMPRESSION (AVULSION)? Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:47:37 PM>Eileen Boyd: detached limbs? Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:48:02 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: AMPUTATIONS Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:48:09 PM>Eileen Boyd: ok Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:48:24 PM>Jeanine Lemos: tearing of body part due to trauma Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:48:30 PM>Daniel Camp: body part being compresed Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:48:44 PM>Crystal OKeefe: Like in car accidents Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:49:01 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: WE ARE CLOSE NOW Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:49:19 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: OK WILL EXPLAIN

Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:49:27 PM>Daniel Camp: a wheel runing over a body part Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:50:04 PM>Shatora Irby: caused my MVA Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:50:20 PM>Shane Black: or dropping a weight on your finger and peeling part of the flesh off Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:50:33 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: FIRST GRINDING COMPRESSION (AVULSION) IS ONE TYPE OF LACERATIONS Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:50:49 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: PLEASE WAIT I WILL EXPLAIN Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:52:34 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: GRINDING COMPRESSION (AVULSION) ARE LACERATIONS PRODUCED BY A WEIGHT SUCH AS A TRUCK WHEEL PASSING OVER LIMB, SEPARATION OF THE SKIN FROM THE UNDERLYING TISSUES (POCKET FORMATION) Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:53:17 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: WHAT IS THE FORENSIC SIGNIFICANCE? Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:53:59 PM>Daniel Camp: the imprint of the object Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:54:32 PM>Daniel Camp: the force and the weight used Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:54:45 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: OK THANKS Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:54:46 PM>Crystal OKeefe: It would be useful in determining the type of accident/tool Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:55:12 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: IT INDICATES RUNOVER IN MVA Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:56:50 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: CHARACTERISTICS OF LACERATED WOUNDS? WHAT ARE THE FINDINGS WHICH WILL HELP US TO SAY THIS IS LACERATED WOUND? Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:57:33 PM>Amanda Taylor: irregular edges Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:57:39 PM>Nettie Cohen: No angles Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:57:43 PM>Crystal OKeefe: jagged markings Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:57:48 PM>Eileen Boyd: no angles on the wound, the hairs are rushed, irregular edges Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:57:58 PM>Amanda Taylor: hairs are crushed, no angles, bridging of tissues across edges Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:57:58 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: GOOD Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:58:00 PM>Michelle Jakway: irregular edges, contusions, crushed hair,, bridging Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:58:07 PM>Daniel Camp: irregular edges, the hair is crushed, contusions/abrasions at edges Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:58:08 PM>Jeanine Lemos: edges are undermined Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:58:37 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: ALL ARE GOOD Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:59:22 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: ONE OF THE IMPORTANT FEATURE IS BRIDGING OF THE TISSUES BETWEEN THE EDGES OF LACERATION Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:59:30 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: DO YOU KNOW WHY? Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:59:35 PM>Eileen Boyd: no Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:59:47 PM>Crystal OKeefe: no Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:59:53 PM>Amanda Taylor: no Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:59:54 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: IT IS IN THE READING Fri Aug 03, 2012 07:59:56 PM>Jeanine Lemos: no Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:00:11 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: I WILL EXPLAIN Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:01:47 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: IF YOU HIT A PERSON WITH A STICK - THEN HE SUFFERED CONTUSION Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:02:21 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: THEN YOU HIT HIM AGAIN AND YOU FOUND THAT HE SUFFERED LACERATION Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:03:04 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: WHY IN FIRST HIT HE HAS CONTUSION, WHILE IN THE SECOND HE HAS LACERATION? ANY ANSWER Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:03:16 PM>Nettie Cohen: force Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:03:24 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: GOOD Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:03:26 PM>Crystal OKeefe: The second hit is the one that finally broke the skin? Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:03:37 PM>Shatora Irby: the applied force was different Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:03:39 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: YES WHY CRYSTAL

Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:04:14 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: WAIT PLEASE Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:04:26 PM>Crystal OKeefe: I assume after being hit the broken capilaries make the tissue weaker? Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:04:42 PM>Crystal OKeefe: I'm guessing though Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:05:06 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: THE DIFFERENCE IS THE APPLIED FORCE SECOND TIME HAS EXCEEDED THE ELASTICITY OF THE SKIN Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:05:22 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: SO THE SKIN OPEN Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:06:25 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: THIS INTRODUCTION IS TO HELP YOU WITH THE ANSWER WHICH I WILL POST NOW Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:06:52 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: DIFFERENT TISSUES HAVE DIFFERENT ELASTICITY Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:07:31 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: NERVES, BLOOD VESSELS HAVE HIGHER ELASTICITY THEN SOFT TTISSUE LIKE SKIN OR FAT Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:08:10 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: SO WHEN WE APPLY A TRAUMA TO ANY PART OF THE BODY USING HEAVY BLUNT INSTRUMENT Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:09:00 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: ONLY THE TISSUES WHICH HAVE ELASTICITY LESS THAN THE FORCE WILL OPEN Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:09:26 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: WHILE THE OTHER TISSUE WITH HIGHER ELASTICITY WILL REMAIN Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:09:29 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: INTACT Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:09:45 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: THAT IS WHY WE SEE THE BRIDGING Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:09:56 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: IS IT OK NOW Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:10:17 PM>Amanda Taylor: yes Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:10:20 PM>Eileen Boyd: yes Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:10:20 PM>Nettie Cohen: yes Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:10:24 PM>Shane Black: got it Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:10:28 PM>Shatora Irby: yes thank you Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:10:29 PM>Daniel Camp: yes Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:10:56 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: THANK YOU Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:11:31 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: MEDICO LEGAL IMPORTANCE OF LACERATIONS? Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:11:59 PM>Shatora Irby: commonly seen in accidents (MVA) or homicides Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:12:01 PM>Nettie Cohen: shape of laceration is not related to the shape of instrument Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:12:21 PM>Shatora Irby: foreign bodies may indicate the circumstances Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:12:32 PM>Jeanine Lemos: direction of impact Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:12:37 PM>Daniel Camp: trace evidence and occurs moslty in accidents Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:12:43 PM>Amanda Taylor: to determine accident or homicide, shape of laceration not related to shape of instrument, foreign bodies in wound may indicate circumstances in which crime has been committed Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:13:15 PM>Crystal OKeefe: It can tell you size and depth of weapon Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:13:41 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: DIRECTION OF IMPACT - CAN YOU EXPLAIN Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:14:09 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: HOW CRYSTAL Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:14:45 PM>Crystal OKeefe: If the laceration is shorter than it is deep then it was a short broad shaped object capable of cutting Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:14:46 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: ANY WAY NO FOR BOTH Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:15:16 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: NO CRYSTAL Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:16:16 PM>Crystal OKeefe: oh good.. Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:16:31 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: WHAT IS INCISED WOUND? Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:16:53 PM>Shane Black: a cut Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:17:13 PM>Daniel Camp: are caused by sharp obeject along the suface of the skin

Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:17:19 PM>Shatora Irby: caused by drawing the edge of a sharp intrustment along the skin Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:17:21 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: EXPLANATION IS NEEDED SHANE Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:17:30 PM>Amanda Taylor: caused by shart objects Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:17:33 PM>Jeanine Lemos: sharp cut made by knife or broken glass Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:17:56 PM>Shane Black: a cut with a sharp object, such as someone swiping a knife Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:18:47 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: THANKS Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:18:54 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: THESE WOUNDS ARE CAUSED OR PRODUCED BY DRAWING THE EDGE OF A SHARP CUTTING INSTRUMENT A LONG THE SKIN E.G. KNIFE, RAZOR, PIECE OF GLASS, SWARD, SCALPEL, ETC. BEST EXAMPLE OF THESE WOUNDS ARE SURGICAL INCISIONS. Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:19:29 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: CHARACTERISTIC OF INCISED WOUNDS? Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:19:52 PM>Daniel Camp: edges are smooth, well defined clean cut Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:20:05 PM>Jeanine Lemos: clean cut Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:20:21 PM>Daniel Camp: the angles are acute and length is greater than depth Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:20:29 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: OK Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:21:11 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: WHAT ABOUT HAIR? Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:21:30 PM>Shatora Irby: hair will be crushed Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:21:40 PM>Daniel Camp: the hair is cut at the edges Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:21:46 PM>Shatora Irby: and jagged edges if and only if the object was blunt Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:22:14 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: WE ARE DISCUSSING INCISED WOUNDS NOW Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:22:43 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: HAIR EDGE IS SHARLY CUT Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:23:22 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: MEDICO LEGAL IMPORTANCE OF INCISED WOUNDS? Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:24:08 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: ANY ANSWER Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:24:19 PM>Shatora Irby: can not tell size or shape of the object Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:24:19 PM>Michelle Jakway: sharp edges mean no indication of weapon type Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:24:20 PM>Shane Black: Can indicate between self-inflected and homocide depending on location Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:24:22 PM>Crystal OKeefe: Could indicate a homicide Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:24:25 PM>Michelle Jakway: no trace evidence Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:24:31 PM>Amanda Taylor: type of weapon Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:24:33 PM>Eileen Boyd: type of object that was used Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:24:33 PM>Crystal OKeefe: or that someone had surgery Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:24:40 PM>Daniel Camp: type of crime Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:24:44 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: HOW EILEEN Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:25:36 PM>Eileen Boyd: maybe by how deep the cut is......guessing Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:25:53 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: NO RELATION EILEEN Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:26:05 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: THANKS Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:26:38 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: 1. INCISED WOUNDS HAVE NO RELATION TO THE SIZE AND SHAPE OF THE CAUSAL INSTRUMENT. Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:27:17 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: 2. A SPLIT LACERATION OPPOSITE TO BONY PROMINENCES MAY RESEMBLE A CUT WOUND AND SHOULD BE DIFFERENTIATED FROM IT . Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:27:42 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS SPLIT LACERATION? Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:28:50 PM>Shane Black: part of the body is crushed between two objects Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:29:47 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: THANKS - I WILL EXPLAIN Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:30:25 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: THESE TYPES OF LACERATION WHICH ARE SEEN IN THE BONY AREAS OF THE BODY Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:31:00 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: SUCH IS SKULL, EYE BROW, CHIN, ILIAC CREST ETC Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:31:28 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: CAUSED BY CRUSHING OF THE TISSUE BETWEEN 2 HARD OBJECTS

Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:31:48 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: THE APPLIED WEAPON AND THE BONE Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:31:58 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: ANY ?? Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:32:13 PM>Daniel Camp: no Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:32:15 PM>Nettie Cohen: no Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:32:16 PM>Shatora Irby: no Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:32:17 PM>Eileen Boyd: none yet Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:32:18 PM>Amanda Taylor: no Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:32:26 PM>Sandy Trujillo: no Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:32:32 PM>Crystal OKeefe: no Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:32:32 PM>Shane Black: no Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:33:15 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: STAB WOUNDS? Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:33:52 PM>Daniel Camp: are by forcing or thrusting a sharp pointed instrument in to the body Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:33:57 PM>Eileen Boyd: penetraion of a pointed instrument into body Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:34:13 PM>Crystal OKeefe: sharp things going into the body with force Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:34:39 PM>Shane Black: produced by a long, thin and usually sharp object Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:34:39 PM>Jeanine Lemos: penetrating trauma due to knife or sharp object Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:34:43 PM>Amanda Taylor: use of force to penetrate into body Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:34:54 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: OK THANKS Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:35:14 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: PUNCTURED WOUNDS? Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:36:11 PM>Jeanine Lemos: object that pierces the skin and causes a small hole Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:36:14 PM>Daniel Camp: caused bu a pointed instrument with out a sharp edge Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:36:14 PM>Shane Black: similar to a stab wound but with a dull object (screwdriver) Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:36:19 PM>Shatora Irby: a stab wound that is caused by a pointed instrument without sharp edges Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:36:46 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: YES Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:37:34 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: ] PUNCTURED WOUNDS: IT IS STAB WOUNDS WHICH ARE CAUSED BY THRUSTING A POINTED INSTRUMENT WITH OUT SHARP EDGE AS NAIL, POKER, SCREWDRIVER, CLOSSED SCISSORS INTO THE BODY. Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:38:02 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: PENETRATING WOUNDS? Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:38:25 PM>Michelle Jakway: passes into but not through an organ Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:38:26 PM>Shatora Irby: if the stab wound has opened a serous cavity Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:38:41 PM>Daniel Camp: the opneing od serous cavaties Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:38:50 PM>Eileen Boyd: bullet wounds? Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:38:51 PM>Daniel Camp: such as chest Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:38:52 PM>Amanda Taylor: caused by a sharp slender object Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:38:57 PM>Crystal OKeefe: anything that goes into the body Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:39:18 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: BULLETS ARE NOT Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:39:34 PM>Eileen Boyd: ok Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:39:55 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: CAN YOU NAME THE SEROUS CAVITIES? Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:40:09 PM>Shatora Irby: abdominal cavity Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:40:27 PM>Daniel Camp: chest, abdominal and cranial Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:40:31 PM>Shatora Irby: pleural Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:40:58 PM>Crystal OKeefe: ? Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:41:03 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: GOOD Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:41:08 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: CRYSTAL Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:41:39 PM>Crystal OKeefe: Penetrating wounds. Are these wounds that enter only into organs and do not pass through? or can these be wounds that enter into any portion of the body, not

including organs? Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:42:08 PM>Crystal OKeefe: Does it have to hit the organ to meet your definition? Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:42:24 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: PENETRATING WOUNDS: IF THE STAB WOUND IS OPEN A SEROUS CAVITY. THE SEROUS CAVITIES ARE; PLEURA, PEERICARDIUM, DURA AND SYNOVIAL MEMBRANES OF THE JOINTS. Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:42:47 PM>Crystal OKeefe: ty Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:43:21 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: NO CRYSTAL, IF A STAB PENTRATE THE ABD WALL AND OPEN THE PERITONEUM, IT MAY NOT HIT THE ORGANS Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:43:52 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: ABD = ABDOMINAL SORRY Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:44:08 PM>Crystal OKeefe: I figures Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:44:12 PM>Crystal OKeefe: figured* Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:44:18 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: TRANSFIXING OR PERFORATING WOUNDS? Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:45:03 PM>Daniel Camp: if a wound passes through a limb or whole body Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:45:03 PM>Crystal OKeefe: When it goes all the way through Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:45:04 PM>Shatora Irby: passing through the limb to the other side Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:45:10 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: GOOD Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:45:46 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: CHARACTERISTICS OF STAB WOUNDS? Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:46:05 PM>Crystal OKeefe: Bruising from hilt marks Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:46:27 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: NO Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:46:33 PM>Shane Black: deeper than than wide Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:46:37 PM>Daniel Camp: deeper than longer, regular clean cut and length of the wound equal width of instrument Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:46:43 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: BRUISE = HEAVY BLUNT INSTRUMENT Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:46:46 PM>Crystal OKeefe: Really? Cause Ive seen a lot of stab wounds with Hilt marks Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:47:27 PM>Shatora Irby: does the stab wounds have relation to homicide, accidents and suicides Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:47:41 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: WHERE DO YOU SEE THE HIT MARK? Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:47:46 PM>Crystal OKeefe: Hilt Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:47:51 PM>Crystal OKeefe: H I L T Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:48:01 PM>Crystal OKeefe: its the part where the pointy end meets the handle Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:48:11 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: OK THANKS IF IT IS VERY DEEP Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:48:45 PM>Amanda Taylor: no abrasions of the edges of a stab wound Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:48:45 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: OK THANKS YOU ARE CORRECT Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:49:47 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: MEDICO LEGAL IMPORTANCE? Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:50:17 PM>Shatora Irby: any relation to homicides and suicides Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:50:34 PM>Daniel Camp: most lily homicididal or acciedental stabbing Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:50:38 PM>Eileen Boyd: sugest a himicide Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:51:01 PM>Shatora Irby: accidental stabs Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:51:27 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: THANKS Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:52:07 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: STAB WOUNDS ARE USUALLY HOMICIDAL BUT SUICIDAL CASES MAY OCCUR BUT RARE. ACCIDENTAL STAB WOUNDS MAY OCCUR. Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:52:28 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: ANY ?? Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:52:31 PM>Shatora Irby: no Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:52:32 PM>Shane Black: no Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:52:34 PM>Eileen Boyd: no Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:52:35 PM>Jeanine Lemos: no Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:52:43 PM>Nettie Cohen: no Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:52:53 PM>Daniel Camp: no

Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:53:08 PM>Amanda Taylor: no Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:53:09 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: THANK YOU - THIS IS OUR LAST CHAT Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:53:17 PM>Daniel Camp: thank you Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:53:35 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR FINAL - MAJORITY OF THE CLASS DOING GREAT Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:53:46 PM>Michelle Jakway: thanks Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:53:49 PM>Amanda Taylor: awesome! thanks professor. Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:53:50 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: ATTENDANCE PLEASE Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:53:51 PM>Nettie Cohen: thank you Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:53:56 PM>Amanda Taylor: Amanda Taylor Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:53:58 PM>Nettie Cohen: Nettie Cohen Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:53:59 PM>Eileen Boyd: eileen Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:54:00 PM>Michelle Jakway: michelle jakway Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:54:00 PM>Shane Black: shane black Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:54:00 PM>Shatora Irby: Shatora Irby Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:54:01 PM>Crystal OKeefe: Crystal O'Keefe Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:54:03 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: THANK YOU Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:54:07 PM>Jeanine Lemos: jeanine lemos Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:54:11 PM>Daniel Camp: daniel camp Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:54:39 PM>Sandy Trujillo: sandy trujillo Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:54:53 PM>Instructor: Metwalli: THANKS Fri Aug 03, 2012 08:55:23 PM>Alexandria Rodrigues: Alexandria rodrigues