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(105) Jesus said: He who (105) Jesus said, "Whoever 109 [105]. Jesus says: "He
knows father and mother is acquainted with the father who knows father and
will be called the son of a and the mother will be mother shall he be called:
harlot. called the offspring of a Son of a harlot!"?
prostitute.

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The child of a harlot is a Marvin Meyer writes: "This saying may be interpreted as a recommendation that one
child conceived without despise one's physical parents; compare sayings 55; 101. Book of Thomas 144,8-10
love. When you discover the declares, 'Damn you who love intercourse and filthy association with womankind.' In
self-destructive attitudes Irenaeus, Against Heresies 1.23.2, evidence may be provided for another
learnt from your parents you interpretation of the saying. There Irenaeus explains that Simon the Magician's
will regard yourself as such a associate Helena, a prostitute from Tyre, was understood to be the divine thought that
child. (Fortunately one was incarnated in body after body and that even became a whore, though she is
rapidly progresses beyond actually 'the mother of all.' In a similar vein, the myth of the soul as presented in the
this.) Nag Hammadi text Exegesis on the Soul explains how the soul is raped and abused in
- Rodney the body and how the soul falls into prostitution. Origen may give reason to consider
This is my favorite quote in yet another interpretation of the saying. In Against Celsus 1.28; 32 Origen cites the
the gospel, and all the tradition that Jesus was the illegitimate child of Mary, who 'bore a child from a
gospels for that matter! certain soldier named Panthera.' It is known from a gravestone that a Sidonian archer
- Andy McM named Tiberius Julius Abdes Pantera was in fact stationed in Palestine around the
time of the birth of Jesus. In this regard perhaps compare John 8:41." (The Gospel of
Seems to me that Thomas: The Hidden Sayings of Jesus, p. 106)
"acquainted with the father
and the mother" refers to a F. F. Bruce writes: "The point of this saying may be quite problematical. It may imply
knowledge of our heritage as the denial that Jesus entered the world by such a supposedly unworthy manner as
children of both "father" (G- being born of woman. On the other hand, Jesus may be complaining that he himself,
D) and "mother" (earth). "He who konws his true Father and to be God (cf. John 8.18 ff.) - and possibly his true
who knows both" will be mother to be the Holy Spirit, as in the Gospel according to Hebrews - is nevertheless
called the offspring of a stigmatised as being 'born of fornication' (according to a probably mistaken
prostitute. Yet Jesus is not interpretation of John 8.41). [The Jews' protest in John 8.41 ('we were not born of
directly saying that this is fornication') arises from their suspicion that Jesus was repeating Samaritan calumnies
true, only pointing out that about the origin of the Jewish people (cf. verse 48, 'you are a Samaritan').]" (Jesus
such "will be called" this. and Christian Origens Outside of the New Testament, p. 151)
Maybe this is a warning to Funk and Hoover write: "Parentage played a more important role in individual
those who will come to identity in antiquity than it does in modern Western societies. In Jewish-Christian
know. disputes over Jesus, the charge was often made that Jesus was the illegetimate child
- Eric of Mary and a Roman soldier. Most of the Fellows took Thomas 105 to refer to that
See Mark 3:22. The Hebrew charege and dispute. If this is indeed the allusion, then Jesus is made to speak here
God was male and most about himself and the special relation that he has to the Father (Thom 61:3) and the
other Gods, especially of Mother (101:3), in both the literal and metaphorical senses. The saying then
farmers, were female. If you expresses early Christian reflection on the parentage of Jesus in the context of
can bring yourself to disputes with rival Judean groups." (The Five Gospels, p. 526)
consider the possibility that
Jesus might have said this,
then Jesus was born of the
Father and the Holy Spirit
and the scribes from
Jerusalem were the ones who
called him a child of a
whore; generally, the fertility
Gods of farming peoples.
- James R
The passage could be
referring to the importance
placed on lineage. Jesus
could be saying, "Your
ancestry is irrelevant and
will lead you to ruin." It is
not the family (or reputation
thereof) that is important. All
must realize that they
children of God, and God
alone. You can not serve two
masters.
- Corpus Shtev
I can't help feeling that the
NOT chipped off the page:
"He who knows NOT his
father and mother..."
- Raya
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