You're now chatting with a random stranger. Say hi!

You and the stranger both like god, and christianity. Stranger: hi

You: hi You: i was wondering if i could ask you some questions about your religion

Stranger: go for it Stranger: what faith are you?

You: none

Stranger: ok Stranger: go for it Stranger: but let me tell you Stranger: many nones usually disconnect when i dont agree with their world view Stranger: but go on

You: first off, what degree do you think that god affects us? did he a) set off the big bang then leave, b) made the earth 6000 yrs ago and pulls strings in the middle east but only in ancient times

Stranger: go is everything everywhere Stranger: within the cosmos, within you, within nature Stranger: before time and after time Stranger: he is beyond creation Stranger: and beyond anything we can ever imagine Stranger: he is the only uncreated thing in the universe

Stranger: so god is much much more than what you limit him to be

You: so you are not going to tell me if your a deist or a theist?

Stranger: i am orthodox Stranger: the original christian faith

You: so god is everywhere except undetectable?

Stranger: he is existence itself, so how can you detect existence? Stranger: how can you detect whether you exist? Stranger: if you dont know that you exist Stranger: then how can you ever hope to detect god

You: well which came first, a man shaped god which invented man, or man which invented a man shaped god?

Stranger: man is an invention of god Stranger: out of his grace Stranger: he sustains us Stranger: and is within us

You: so man is an invention of god and so is the aids virus?

Stranger: yes and?

You: the herbivore was made by god and the carnivore made to eat it?

Stranger: yes and? Stranger: whats wrong with death? Stranger: sorry Stranger: not death Stranger: passing over as we say

You: are you not seeing these glaring contradictions in your perfectly concieved world?

Stranger: nothing dies Stranger: ask your scientist and he'll tell you that in thermal dynamics

You: nothing dies? what stops a thrown baseball from leaving earth?

Stranger: ofcourse nothing dies Stranger: it gets transformed Stranger: same as you Stranger: so i would ask you

You: yes, and what does the brain turn into after death?

Stranger: dust Stranger: than oil Stranger: soul lives on

You: and where is the person that is you contained?

Stranger: if you cant feel your soul

You: a soul? well thats awfully convenient

Stranger: than i feel sorry for you Stranger: so tell me

You: i dont have a soul, i have a mind

Stranger: let me ask you

You: the software that runs on the hardware of my brain

Stranger: if your mind has overshadowed your soul

You: (dont have one)

Stranger: why are you trying to understand that which needs a soul? Stranger: so if your numb to the spiritual Stranger: why ask questions? Stranger: its like Stranger: trying to ride a bike with no legs Stranger: and let me ask you Stranger: another thing Stranger: is you say you dont know god Stranger: and dont know your own soul

You: because you, and all the other religious people on this planet seem to think you can see something which i cant, but i am seeing what your seeing, im interpreting it differently

Stranger: who are you to speak about the spiritual?

You: as not supernatural but as natural

Stranger: i aswered your questions you answer my

You: who am i to speak on spiritual things? You: who are you!

Stranger: yes Stranger: i am the one who has a spirit Stranger: you dont

You: no, you arent, none of us do

Stranger: so how can you know what your talking about if you dont have it? Stranger: how do you know what i have?

You: because we are the same animal

Stranger: no we are not Stranger: everyone is different

You: we arent human?

Stranger: humanity is more than an animal

Stranger: so ansewr me

You: what

Stranger: who are you to talk about spiritual when you said you have no spirit and dont know fo a god? Stranger: so why should anyone listen to you and your opinions of god when you never knew him Stranger: when you speak of that which you dont know

You: i am a person, with the same cognitive abilities as every other human, i was born and raised to believe in a god that wasnt there You: i looked

Stranger: what religion

You: i talked

Stranger: whos path Stranger: so what

You: i did not see and i did not hear a response You: no one does

Stranger: its becuase you never knew god to start of with

You: and if you claim to hear gods voice you need psych help

Stranger: so what have you ever lost?

Stranger: friend

You: i know what god is better than most, he is a contrived idea, not always a he, sometimes a woman and sometimes an animal

Stranger: you cant loose that which you never had Stranger: so you never had god Stranger: only an idea of him Stranger: so my advise is Stranger: if you want to know god

You: whereas you communicate with the one true living god is that right?

Stranger: get of this computer Stranger: go and live with monks in a monastery for a few months Stranger: and through humility you will open your spirituality Stranger: than you will know god Stranger: not by reasoning or reading about him

You: i have spent a decade of questioning all religions, beginning with my own, and have found them to be full of holes

Stranger: how many years hve you spent praying in a monastery in mount athos? Stranger: with monks?

You: no, how many lives did god save because you asked him to?

Stranger: answer me

Stranger: how many years?

You: yes, in fact my first gay lover was a monk You: T_____T You: cut the bullshit questions

Stranger: how many years did you spend with monks in a monastery? Stranger: how qualified are you to speak of the spiritual? Stranger: when you dont know the topic?

You: how many years have you spent in the mosque praying to allah?

Stranger: 1

You: and in the church to god?

Stranger: 14

You: and the synagogue?

Stranger: so i am more qualified than you

You: lol

Stranger: so my advise Stranger: go spend time in a monsatrey

You: you have wasted away your life by the sound of it

Stranger: no Stranger: i found god Stranger: you didnt Stranger: thats the different Stranger: you still cant see him

You: how can you if you told me earlier that he is uknowable?

Stranger: so your the one wasting your life Stranger: he is unknowable Stranger: yet knowable

You: rethink that real hard and tell me that makes sense

Stranger: does god who is uncreated, unlike anything in existence need to make sense?

You: this is going to be posted on the internet for scrutiny, now tell me that that makes sense

Stranger: lol

You: him being knowable and uknowable

Stranger: ofcouse Stranger: i can know him within me Stranger: i cant know him mentally

Stranger: his too vast Stranger: his not a rock Stranger: or a planet Stranger: his nothing like anything else Stranger: anyway

You: he is everything everywhere and nothing anywhere? and you think that makes sense?

Stranger: it doesnt to a person who is prideful and hardhearted and doenst know anything about his spirit Stranger: so friend Stranger: you are devout to your religion Stranger: and are limit in your experience Stranger: unfortunatly Stranger: you will never know god

You: pious words for someone so down on human pride

Stranger: becuase your heart is too hardened to be open to anything anyone else who doesnt agree with you has to say Stranger: ofcourse i am proud Stranger: i know what i know

You: i am open to anything you say that makes sense, you just arent making any You: let me know what you know

Stranger: lol Stranger: like i said

Stranger: i cant talk about spiritual Stranger: to him who has no spirit? Stranger: so friend

You: then for the sake of argument say i do have a spirit, what do i do with it?

Stranger: open it

You: and which religion do you recomend?

Stranger: orthodoxy Stranger: you can try other paths

You: orthodoxy to what?

Stranger: all other

You: king james bible?

Stranger: please Stranger: orthodoxy is a way of life Stranger: or a book

You: So it doesnt matter which religion it just has to be one?

Stranger: no Stranger: you can explore but you will see

Stranger: orthodoxy is the most complete one Stranger: i explored Stranger: and if you want to find god Stranger: dont take my word for it Stranger: but you will see if you choose Stranger: orthodoxy is the fullest

You: yeah this was fucking awful you are broken in the brain, sorry

Stranger: lol Stranger: its ok Stranger: you can disconnect now

You: no, you need to so i can copy it all

Stranger: lol

You: including the part where you disconnect

Stranger: why Stranger: so you can have an ego boost? Stranger: you mate can say how smart you are?

You: because i need to encapsulate everything you said

Stranger: lol Stranger: the thing i love about atheists is the pride

Stranger: friend

You: your own words are argument against your position for there innadequacy

Stranger: the battle isnt religion and atheism Stranger: but pride and humility? Stranger: ok tell me soemthing

You: corruption (religion) vs secular human society

Stranger: lol Stranger: secularism its a religion in itself Stranger: so is atheism Stranger: but anyway Stranger: tell em

You: those arguments are old and broken

Stranger: me Stranger: yea yea Stranger: anyway Stranger: tell me

You: what do you want to know?

Stranger: if my experience of god is so strong that i would give up my life for it Stranger: rather than deny him

Stranger: and my experience is spiritual and beyond words Stranger: how do you expect me to convince you who doesnt even know his spirit about my experiences? Stranger: especially on omegle

You: how do you expect me to explain to you how man evolved if you refuse to accept man did evolve?

Stranger: who said i refused it? Stranger: stop making assumptions

You: because if you accept man evolved then thats hundreds of thousands of years of god sitting back and doing nothing watching man kill each other, then just happening to intervene before cameras were invented but after literature

Stranger: again Stranger: death doesnt exist Stranger: you cant destroy nothing in the unvirse Stranger: only transform

You: no, the babies strangled in cribs are nursed off to heaven on the backs of angels, are you really that naive?

Stranger: yea again how do you know my experiences if you never experienced angels or god in your life? Stranger: this goes into a circle Stranger: its a life Stranger: i cant reason you into becoming a christian

You: you dont believe in reason!

Stranger: lol

You: how can you reason anything!

Stranger: and you do?

You: yes

Stranger: so why dont you accept my experience?

You: because subjective human experience does not prove anything

Stranger: it does to me

You: a million phoney psychics prove that

Stranger: and other 98% of the human population Stranger: but again

You: 'a casual strol through the insane asylum shows that faith does not prove anything'

Stranger: lol again

You: 98% believe in god say you?

Stranger: how can you try to prove that which you never experience

Stranger: majority of human civilization believe in something Stranger: mind you Stranger: throughout the history of humanity Stranger: only a small bunch of pride people believe in nothing Stranger: and remember Stranger: the west isnt the world Stranger: or america Stranger: its only a small % of the world

You: how old are you

Stranger: 24

You: and when did you first hear about god

Stranger: and yes i have finished engineering schol Stranger: school Stranger: all my life Stranger: but i didnt believe in him Stranger: that only came a few years ago

You: and what do you gain from knowing god?

Stranger: life Stranger: not heaven Stranger: after death Stranger: but life

Stranger: now Stranger: in this world

You: but you just said earlier that you would be willing to GIVE UP your life now rather than not have god?

Stranger: ofcourse becuase life isnt 'being alive' Stranger: life is more

You: 'life isnt being alive' i might have to frame that somewhere

Stranger: tell me what being alive is?

You: conciousness

Stranger: what is life

You: to a human, conciousness

Stranger: go find first your spirit and you will know the difference

You: i have within my mind everything that i am, i am not lacking a spirit in the sense of vigor and passion, all i can do is get better at the parts of me that are real and apparent

Stranger: humans are body, mind spirit

You: fucking psychology yo

Stranger: if you neglect any of the 3 Stranger: you will not have life

You: humans are a body

Stranger: again we wont agree becuase you still dont know your spirit

You: you are not a brain that has a body you are a body that has a brain

Stranger: no, i am a body, mind a spirit Stranger: and^ Stranger: so if anything i am more complete than you Stranger: so please Stranger: when your find yourself we will continue talking

You: oh really, thats an awfully prideful position to take, you are more complete than me You: wow

Stranger: no Stranger: its truth Stranger: remember Stranger: i was in your position Stranger: you were never in mine

You: ive never had someone show such arrogance in the name of humility

Stranger: lol

Stranger: like wise Stranger: actually i have Stranger: many atheists are pretty arrogant Stranger: agnostics are easier Stranger: because they can feel the internal thirst

You: agnosticism is a cowardly atheist

Stranger: no Stranger: they see the internal thirst

You: yes, they know god is not real they just dont want to offend anyone

Stranger: no they see the internal thirst Stranger: dont degrade other becuase they see things within themselvs where you dont

You: they - want - something to be there

Stranger: no Stranger: they see something Stranger: you dont

You: they thirst for it to be there

Stranger: there is a difference

You: they see what they want to see, like you

Stranger: no Stranger: you are still blind Stranger: so how can you talk about light? Stranger: you said Stranger: you dont have a spirit

You: blind, incomplete, im just a complete piece of shit hey, where can i get this god of yours

Stranger: like i said Stranger: first step Stranger: humility Stranger: second step prayer

You: first step is letting go of my intelligence correct?

Stranger: no

You: no? You: NO? You: NO?

Stranger: yes no Stranger: let go of your pride Stranger: keep your intellegence Stranger: i know many devout scientist

Stranger: who are orthodox

You: so continue this list

Stranger: then go spend sometime with people who actually KNOW god

You: first step pride, second prayer, when does my will to remain in controll of my life and mind get broken?

Stranger: not people who know of god Stranger: like a monastery Stranger: i recommend somewher in judain desert, mt athos, or hindi or buddist monasteries are also good Stranger: like i said Stranger: keep your intellect Stranger: get rid of your pride

You: how can i if your asking me to accept a reasoning which is supposedly beyond my intellect?

Stranger: i am not

You: READ YOUR OWN WORDS

Stranger: like i said

You: i have You: intently Stranger: i cant reason you

Stranger: into believing in god Stranger: you have to want to do it yourself Stranger: you cant reason about god Stranger: only experience him

You: i have to WANT to find something to actually find it? You: strange

Stranger: exactly

You: everything thats real exists whether i like it or not

Stranger: british didnt discover america because they coudlnt be bother sailing

You: its only things which require fabrication that have to be wanted You: that HAVE to be wanted You: to exist You: something isnt there? want it into reality in your mind!

Stranger: no they wanted to explore and they went to discover Stranger: if you want to discover you have to want to explore

You: i have explored my mind, i dont have capacity for a belief in god anymore, i outgrew it

Stranger: not mind Stranger: soul Stranger: see

Stranger: you are dong it the wrong wayt

You: i have to find it without using intellect then?

Stranger: no Stranger: but first

You: intellect is in your brain dummy!

Stranger: you must find your soul

You: not your soul, surely we can agree on that

Stranger: it is lost now Stranger: if you want to know the spiritual, you must use your soul

You: if we have a soul, it is not responsible for concious thought right?

Stranger: not most of the time Stranger: there are many influences

You: so to find god i must use a part of myself that DOESNT think

Stranger: your soul is moer than thinking Stranger: it is beyond it Stranger: just like you dont see radiation You: MORE than thinking even? and i dont even know where mines supposed to be!

Stranger: it still affect you

You: the soul is like radiation, it destroys your ability to think properly

Stranger: lol Stranger: man Stranger: its ok

You: radiation, you pick a real scientific term to describe an unscientific one, its not ok

Stranger: like i said Stranger: you dont get it Stranger: its ok friend Stranger: unfortunatly

You: i get exactly what your saying and meaning and im exposing it blatantly You: as mysticism and magic

Stranger: if you dont want to uncover your soul, you will never know god

You: if i have to want to find god to find him then im going to find whatever i want arent i?

Stranger: if you cant see god everywhere, you wont see him anywhere

You: So he is either everywhere or nowhere?

Stranger: he is existence Stranger: if you want proof for existence Stranger: than i dont know whos the idiot here

You: idiot as well, i guess we cant all be as good as you

Stranger: no i am just a sinner

You: a sin!

Stranger: i am not good at all

You: theres a good word

You: what is a sin

Stranger: whats the point Stranger: it will fall on death ears

You: well, surely i should know what not to do?

Stranger: deaf Stranger: you dont know god Stranger: why do you care

You: is killing bad or is it only bad because god says no You: thats why i care

Stranger: lol Stranger: you dont even know what is bad Stranger: so who are you to question it

You: so your making the argument that without god i cant have morality?

Stranger: no Stranger: i am just saying you dont know what morality is

You: so i cant have a good one without god?

Stranger: no Stranger: you dont even know what good is Stranger: brb

You: well, yeah i do, things which are good benefit things (positive effect) bad is things which hurt things (negative effects) You: even a child who doesnt know god can reason these things for themselves, why does that child then also need to know god to validate their decisions?

Stranger: again Stranger: you dont know what good is or what bad is Stranger: or what is positive

You: again, yes i do, tell me why not

Stranger: or negetaive

Stranger: what for Stranger: as if you care

You: this isnt about me caring, this about you caring, you have a strange warped view of the world if you think atheists cant know right or wrong

Stranger: yea thats correct Stranger: and i dot care Stranger: but i am not wasting effort on someone who doesnt care

You: nothing is wasted You: nothing dies remember? You: says you

Stranger: ofcourse Stranger: brbg Stranger: back Stranger: nothing dies Stranger: but atheists have no ambition in knowing god Stranger: so i wont waste my words

You: i have the greatest ambitions on knowing god! why do you think i talk to religious people all day!

Stranger: you talk to destroy their belifs

You: it works because im right

Stranger: if you had ambition Stranger: you wont have gone to a monastery Stranger: not type on a computer Stranger: would ^

You: ive been to many churches

Stranger: not church Stranger: monastery Stranger: different things Stranger: just like being alive and life Stranger: difference

You: so your making a comparison of someone without god is someone who is in a coma and technically alive You: and someone with god is running around happy and free

Stranger: well probably a religous person in a coma knows god better than an atheist

You: it is a childish and despicable assertion

Stranger: plus you dont know what is happiness or freedom

You: oh really You: wow

Stranger: yep

You: im just nothing without god

You: is that right/

Stranger: just like you dont know the difference between being alive and life Stranger: no your getting everything Stranger: you just reject it

You: perhaps an atheist is like a plant being alive and a human being alive? You: would be a godly person

Stranger: you dont know what is a godly person

You: well thats you right?

Stranger: nope Stranger: i am a sinner

You: sin!

Stranger: so again Stranger: in circles we go

You: love it, writhing about in my sinning, sinning all day just never hurting anyone

Stranger: you are hurting someone

You: MYSELF You: god your lame

Stranger: and others Stranger: you dont believe in him Stranger: so why utter his name

You: what about masturbation? does that hurt other people? You: or suicide?

Stranger: ofcourse

You: euthenasia

Stranger: all does

You: gay sex?

Stranger: yep Stranger: all destroy the world in a small way

You: consensual homosexual sex?

Stranger: yep

You: but god is infinite and all powerful.... why does he care what hole i put my penis in?

Stranger: he doesnt Stranger: you should

You: theres another bumper sticker 'consensual homosexual sex will destroy the world... in a small way'

Stranger: yep

You: wow

Stranger: make some money of it Stranger: thats what i say about you also

You: youd buy one?

Stranger: nope

You: why not! espouse your beliefs to other motorists!

Stranger: nope

You: or are you afraid people will liken it to hate speech You: which it really is

Stranger: people can believe in what they want Stranger: what about your speech? Stranger: isnt that hate Stranger: towards religious people?

You: it seeks to create, enlighten and destroy evil thoughts and arbitrary feelings towards groups of people, you may think it hypocritical to then go after religious people but maybe one day youll realise how much effort the religious put towards doing the same

Stranger: lol Stranger: next you'll be fighting a crusade

You: this is all going to be on the internet, i dont care if people think it grandiose

Stranger: against believers in god Stranger: again Stranger: nice religion pal

You: maybe masacring islamic fundamentalists, would be a start

Stranger: yep

You: you a fan of islam

Stranger: yep

You: and how old was mohammed youngest wife?

Stranger: i said i am a fan as i prefer it over atheism, but i didnt say i agree with it

You: ahhh but thats the difference between me and mohammed, i dont think its right to have sex with a 6 year old

You: no matter the customs or the century

Stranger: nothing is the difference between you 2 Stranger: you both dont know god

You: mohommed didnt know god!

Stranger: he knew of god, but didnt know god Stranger: learn the difference

You: he was one of the godliest men alive, he started one of the biggest religions evver

Stranger: so what Stranger: he had a large fan cluub

You: so... thats like saying jesus wasnt

Stranger: means nothing Stranger: jesus was different to anyone else

You: oh really You: really

Stranger: yep

You: REALLY

Stranger: if you knew yourself you would see jesus in you Stranger: but you dont Stranger: so no point talking to you about it You: so a muslim feeling close to allah is NOTHING like a christian feeling close to god? Stranger: yep exactly

You: HAHAHAHAHA You: thats You: hysterical

Stranger: becuase you dont know christianity or islam Stranger: so how can you talk or laugh? Stranger: i dont understand why you talk at all? Stranger: about things you think you know but you have no idea about

You: and praying to ra the sun god is NOTHING like praying to god?

Stranger: yep

You: they dont get exactly the same result?

Stranger: yep they dont

You: because prayer to the RIGHT god equals real change in the real world?

Stranger: you dont know what prayer is

Stranger: so no point talking about it

You: YOU DONT KNOW WHAT PRAYER IS You: see how pointless THAT was?

Stranger: yep Stranger: what you think prayer is asking for stuff?

You: its believing you can communicate with whatever god you choose, simply by thinking about it

Stranger: no its more

You: a laughable proposition

Stranger: again you dont know what prayer is Stranger: so no point talking about it

You: tell me then

Stranger: i told you

You: make it make sense

Stranger: go to a monastery Stranger: if you want to know

You: so you cant put into words what praying is, you just gotta put your head down, submit to a deity and hope he wants you to live another day?

Stranger: no you dont know what it is Stranger: so dont talk about that which you dont know Stranger: want to learn Stranger: go and experience it

You: i know, pray for him not to strike you down, then when you dont die magically you can prove to people he is real You: for sparing you

Stranger: go to a monastery Stranger: how thick are you Stranger: if i never tried a big mac

You: HOW THICK ARE YOU

Stranger: the only way to see its taste is go and eat a big mack

You: WRONG, i can describe the taste

Stranger: no you cant Stranger: you can explain it Stranger: but if i never tried cheese Stranger: how will i know its taste

You: beef is a meat, it has beef in it, therefore it tastes of beef

You: i can tell you how long it was cooked for and how

Stranger: how does beef taste like if i never tried beef in my life? Stranger: how can i know its taste Stranger: you cant explain it to me if i never had it before Stranger: same to you

You: a big mac can be scientifically analysed and assuming someone has a sense of taste it can be broken down into its components You: and EXPLAINED

Stranger: if you never tried beef in your life Stranger: how can i tell you what it tastes like Stranger: when you dont know what to compare it to?

You: if youve never seen before, spent your whole life blind, how do you describe a sunset?

Stranger: exactly

You: if youve never heard before how do you describe music

Stranger: so why talk about god when you never knew him

You: i dont understand what your trying to get at but one thing i am sure about: its meaningless You: because i made up several variations on your point without any thought whatsoever

Stranger: its meaningless to you because you dont know what meaning is

Stranger: yes and you still dont get it

You: i dont know what meaning is

Stranger: if you never knew god Stranger: how can i explain him to you Stranger: thats the point

You: by using the senses that i have, seeing as we are both human, we both have the same set of sensors on our bodies You: and in our brains

Stranger: you have no spirit Stranger: i told you Stranger: you are incomplete Stranger: agina Stranger: we go in circles

You: and neither do you, you need to explain it to me what this spirit is in you and what it does

Stranger: kik Stranger: lol Stranger: i told you i have one, you said you dont

You: is it an antenna that picks up the 'god' frequency?

Stranger: no

You: whats your skype?

Stranger: go find it and you'll see Stranger: none i dont have one

You: kik then

Stranger: and why should i give it to you Stranger: so you can place it on the net

You: no, id remove it before posting this transcript You: your a goldmine of misinformation and fantasy, i wouldnt give that up

Stranger: yea and your a goldmine yourself Stranger: actually no Stranger: i feel sorry for you Stranger: i know how it feels to be an atheist

You: and then you went and started listening to fairy tales You: or began to believe them, whatevs

Stranger: no i began to have life Stranger: my dead heart started to beat

You: a miracle cure for depression just like that!

Stranger: you dont know what depression is Stranger: so no point talking about it

You: I dont know if you listen when i say these things but yes, i do know what depression is You: if your going to say i dont you need to explain why

Stranger: no you dont Stranger: becuase you are incomplete in your understanding of life Stranger: and living Stranger: remember you have no spirit

You: my understanding is top notch thanks

Stranger: so your incomplete in your ideology

You: no one has a soul/spirit

Stranger: again thats your religous docrine

You: i dont stick to ideology or dogma You: i stick to what is apparent and obvious

Stranger: well if your soul isnt obvious to you Stranger: i dont know how to explain it to you Stranger: simple as that

You: how can it be apparent and obvious to me that there is no god, and to you the exact opposite, i dont think its possible - i think your 'just a sinner' position is false humility and i think your beliefs are false

Stranger: again you have no soul, you cant understand the spiritual, you dont even know my beliefs yet you think they are false Stranger: so again Stranger: here we go in circles Stranger: again

You: you have told me of them and they echo a fake magic i have heard before

Stranger: no i havnt you never heard my docrine Stranger: so you only assume

You: it involves god, it involves not dying

Stranger: again Stranger: you only assume

You: these are the impossibilities all rational minds wish to quash

Stranger: you dont know what rationallity is

You: i know that something being 'knowable and unknowable' is a horendous breach of rationality

Stranger: tell me Stranger: well Stranger: can you know time? Stranger: whats the time now?

You: its an invention, like god

Stranger: no whats the time Stranger: tell me

You: time is an invention, we have set our clocks on the rotation of the planet

Stranger: no

You: YES

Stranger: what is the time

You: i suppose youd have to be accurately able to calculate how far away we are from the big bang to know when in time we are

Stranger: where i am Stranger: time is 11:40 Stranger: pm

You: yes... and that is only the case because the planet is spinning and its helpful to know when the sun is up

Stranger: but i cant know the cosmic time Stranger: therefore time is both Stranger: unknowable and knoable Stranger: and that for you is rational Stranger: but a knowable and a unknoable god isnt Stranger: so again

Stranger: whos the idiot herte Stranger: here

You: umm, ill let our dearest readers decide because that was a miserable attempt at making a point, if indeed it was one

Stranger: lol yea what ever man Stranger: keep tel yourself that Stranger: telling^

You: so were you just reitterating your point god is knowable and uknowable?

Stranger: i dont knw Stranger: let the dearest readers decide Stranger: to you this is a joke Stranger: you dont care in truth

You: and yes, we can calculate the cosmic time, it involves measuring the world using science You: we know how long things take to decay You: we see how decayed things are and we can know

Stranger: yea yea what ever dude Stranger: you cant even see the point in what i am saying

You: not whatever dude, you keep throwing it at me that i dont understand and then say these things cant be understood only felt

Stranger: exactly

You: and im saying those characteristics dont apply to real things

Stranger: so why rationalise it

You: in the realest sense of the word real

Stranger: do you they dont Stranger: to everyone else they do Stranger: so whos at fault Stranger: you or humanity? Stranger: or let me guess Stranger: your just too smart compared to everyone else, the entire humanity is just a bunch of dumb idiots who believe in fairies

You: everything i feel is a creation of my own brain You: its a literal object with sensors and electrical signals

Stranger: its mroe Stranger: life is more than that Stranger: you dont know it Stranger: becuase you shut your spirit off Stranger: so we go again in circles

You: i didnt shut it off, it was never there, if i percieved it to be there it was my brain doing the percieving

Stranger: exactly

Stranger: you never had it Stranger: so how can you comment about you never knew or had Stranger: its like me talking about driving a car when i never sat into one

You: i keep telling you this bt i used to believe in god

Stranger: no Stranger: believing is not the same as having

You: i just grew out of the idea, it seemed small minded and childish to say everything is meaningless without god

Stranger: becuase you never had anything to lose with to start of with Stranger: to you it was a mental exercise

You: Everything is. Climbing a mountain. going to church.

Stranger: spirituality isnt a mental exercise, its a spiritual exercise Stranger: if you dont have a spirit Stranger: why bother trying to understand it

You: im doing my best to try and make you understand it You: we both have the same capacity for having god You: exactly 0 Stranger: yes Stranger: but you shut yours off Stranger: which is why you dont know him Stranger: again

Stranger: if you want to know god

You: i know of god, he is a conceptual being You: do you know what that means?

Stranger: stop thinking of yourself as some sort of a genious Stranger: and go to a monastery

You: so you think to yourself 'why does everyone have to be so smart? cant the shut off their intelligence and be smart like me?

Stranger: no Stranger: i think Stranger: why do people who dont have a spirit talk about the spiritual Stranger: when they dont know what they are talking about

You: because no one has a spirit? and your perpetuating a false ideology?

Stranger: i have a spirit Stranger: you dont Stranger: you do but its shut

You: i dont have a spirit You: at all

Stranger: exactly Stranger: so stop trying to deny the spiritual Stranger: if you never experienced it

Stranger: and others hve

You: i have experienced the fullness of spiritual belief (which is all you can do) and i found it empty

Stranger: i might not like chemical engineers Stranger: but i dont deny their work Stranger: becuase i dont know it Stranger: not Stranger: noooo Stranger: spiritual life is not just a belief

You: yes, it is

Stranger: its a life Stranger: no

You: a life of belief

Stranger: no Stranger: go to a monastery Stranger: and learn about it Stranger: from people who have it

You: so i have to learn what they BELIEVE?

Stranger: stop thinking you know other peoples experiences Stranger: no

You: oh thats right, what they KNOW? right?

Stranger: no Stranger: what they experience Stranger: you go experience it

You: so monasterys have religious feelings in them that can be felt by going there?

Stranger: not by going there Stranger: by participating Stranger: in the life of the place Stranger: and being humble Stranger: then your spirit will start to come out Stranger: and you will start to get to know yourself Stranger: and this converstion will go different Stranger: becuase your experiences of life will be different Stranger: i cant talk to you about spirituality Stranger: you must experience it yourself

You: because it makes no sense You: just say it

Stranger: it makes sense Stranger: but not to you Stranger: becuase you are still incomplete

You: if it can be reasonably understood then you should be able to reasonably explain it You: none of this 'if youve never breathed air before how would you know what its like' You: mumbojumbo

Stranger: here we go again Stranger: exactly Stranger: so go breath some air Stranger: if you want to see what it feels like Stranger: if not Stranger: stop taling about it

You: i am, its not something i have to think about, its everywhere on earth, unlike god, who is nowhere

Stranger: again here we go, god is existence Stranger: what part of that dont you understand

You: existence is existence, god is a conjecture

Stranger: no he is it Stranger: and beyond Stranger: so go learn som spirituality Stranger: and talk to me about it then

You: then how do i have another explanation for humanity that is scientifically provable?

Stranger: becuase it is humanities best atemp, science came out ot religion Stranger: anyway i must go

You: science didnt come out of religion, when religion was everything science sought to expedite itself from it

Stranger: science came out of religion Stranger: go study some history Stranger: its called philosophy Stranger: anyway i must go

You: in the same sense mathematics came out of islam

Stranger: all came out of philosophy

You: fuck off cunt

Stranger: and philosophy is religion Stranger: lol

You: :L

Stranger: disconnect Stranger: go Stranger: what happened Stranger: is that all you have

Stranger: ? Stranger: angry words?

You: nah, you can fuck right off, with your 'knowable unkowable' bullshit

Stranger: lol Stranger: yea what our not smart enough? Stranger: you^

You: smart enough for what?

Stranger: i dont know Stranger: you dont know basic philosophical concepts

You: excuse me

Stranger: so i take it you dont know religions or science Stranger: lol Stranger: anyway angry man Stranger: camon disconnect Stranger: its what all atheists do

You: fuck off then cunt

Stranger: prove your faith to your brothers in faith

You: you piece of shit ignorant cunt You: fuck off

Stranger: lol

Stranger: thanks you Stranger: feeling better?

You: thanks for everything now fuck off

Stranger: thanks

You: im always better off after having talked to a religious person

Stranger: thanks for showing me you know nothing Stranger: lol Stranger: yea so am i Stranger: it reminds me how incomplete atheists are

You: confer some stupidity? You: lol

Stranger: but i feel sorry for your guys

You: come on you gotta dc so i can copy and paste this onto the internet You: people dont care how rude i am to you in the end

Stranger: lol ofcourse

You: they only care that i was right about what we talked about

Stranger: you guys are atheist

You: and that you were snivelling mess

Stranger: lol ofcourse

You: your words meant nothing You: and you mean nothing

Stranger: ofcourse

You: your just another one of gods soldiers

Stranger: so why do you try and understand god if you dont take my words?

You: marching through life telling people why they are incomplete

Stranger: but you are

You: and how much better you are than them You: all while saying 'im just a sinner

Stranger: i never said that

You: im just a sinner

Stranger: i am Stranger: but and incomplete sinner

You: you called me an idiot jack off

Stranger: i still have much to learn

You: fuck your self

Stranger: no i never did

You: yes you did You: READ

Stranger: i just asked myself who is the idiot

You: oh oh oh, so hate in the heart doesnt matter? You: i thought it was the same as murder You: so said jesus

Stranger: hey atleast i dont ned an ego boost from people on the internet to tell me my unbelief is true Stranger: which is why your want to post this Stranger: lol

You: this doesnt do anything for me, it is a demonstration of you

Stranger: i never hated you by the way

You: of people who believe in god

Stranger: i never swore Stranger: or said i hate you

You: so? swearing means nothing!

Stranger: only hate myself Stranger: lol you swore Stranger: and i thanked you

You: yeah, exactly, its the sort of self hatred that you learn from monasterys

Stranger: and no you do need people to praise you

You: also, i swear because its meaningless

Stranger: ofcourse Stranger: you dont know what meaning is

You: but not to you

Stranger: so you swear

You: you think its blasphemy You: ?

Stranger: lol nope

Stranger: again

You: then why not swear

Stranger: stop judging my beliefs Stranger: anyway friend

You: I judge, because i can, and its my position

Stranger: its ok to be angry

You: as someone who doesnt believe in crazy ideas You: 'like being the only sober person and noone will let you drive' You: as an atheist once said

Stranger: ofcourse and you will do much worse Stranger: anyway friend its ok to be angry

You: worse? because im an atheist im worse than you

Stranger: nope

You: dont you see wht your saying

Stranger: but one day you will kill ppl like me Stranger: but its ok Stranger: anyway friend

You: once upon a time you guys killed people like me :)

Stranger: i never did Stranger: the western christians did Stranger: different religion Stranger: anyway friend

You: NOPE You: islam is the same You: judaism is the same

Stranger: i am not muslims

You: christianity You: same

Stranger: nor jew Stranger: nope Stranger: see Stranger: you dont even know religion Stranger: or the differences Stranger: so please Stranger: go learn about them

You: they are alll broken

Stranger: then we can talk

You: i have learnt, ive learnt the differences mean nothing, thaey are simply more ways to be wrong

Stranger: and if you want to learn spiritual Stranger: go to people who are spiritual

You: theres no such thing, only charlatins and frauds

Stranger: an atheist who never knew god cannot teach you about him

You: anyone can teach spirituality You: because its easily faked

Stranger: lol Stranger: man

You: because it IS fake

Stranger: ok Stranger: what ever dude Stranger: you are right

You: dont believe me?

Stranger: and the world is wrong Stranger: go omegle atheist guy

Stranger: he has the answers

You: this isnt for me

Stranger: to everything Stranger: lol ofcourse you need an ego boost

You: its for others to laugh at you and your ridiculous answers to simple questions

Stranger: to make sure you get a tap on the shoulder to make sure its ok

You: to rejoice in the holy community of atheists at the atheist church i go to

Stranger: maybe i should put this on a page where people actually have a soul, and they can laugh at you also

You: lol, just kidding

You: maybe you could but i think youd edit out the parts where you were wrong

Stranger: lol Stranger: yea what ever mate Stranger: anyway Stranger: i must say

Stranger: your the 1st atheist who never disconnect

You: whatever nothing, i know what it takes to be spiritual and i hate anyone with the capacity for being that dishonest

Stranger: hate Stranger: you dont know what it is

You: another thing i dont know

Stranger: anyway

You: how wonderful

Stranger: ofcourse Stranger: usually when someone tell me i dont know something Stranger: i dont assume i know it Stranger: i assume i dont know it so i go study it Stranger: but i know what i have

You: even if its something as obvious as right and wrong? You: someone had to TELL you that?

Stranger: ofcourse

You: thats awful

Stranger: i dont know whats right or wrong Stranger: until i didnt see god within me

You: so you cant think for yourself so you need god to tell you?

Stranger: then the world view changes Stranger: no god is me and i am him Stranger: again Stranger: you dont know what i am talking about Stranger: because you have no spirit in you Stranger: anyway dude Stranger: i really need to go

You: fuck off then

Stranger: but

You: no, no friends here

Stranger: lol ofcourse friend

You: you arent honest and i wont treat you the way i treat honest people

Stranger: lol sorry if i honestly ripped you Stranger: anyway Stranger: i am off Stranger: but what i will do is this

You: OOOOH look, last word man

Stranger: but Stranger: because your such a hard person to deal with Stranger: and so hateful Stranger: i will let you disconnect

You: not a chance

Stranger: (hard is an bad language) Stranger: anyway Stranger: you will need to disconenct as I am leaving omegle on and going to bed Stranger: please say hi to all your atheist friends, reading this - and tell them that IF YOU WANT TO UNDERSTAND GOD, GO TO PEOPLE WHO KNEW GOD Stranger: anyway

You: no one knows god, remember what you said You: only feel him

Stranger: yea you will need to do alterations to this conversation Stranger: yes no atheist can know god Stranger: anyway Stranger: caos!

You: well, im gonna cut it out after it started going down hill in terms of 'i say x' you say 'you dont know x' You: because its silly and childish bullshit Stranger: lol Stranger: so much for science Stranger: when we can alter documents

You: you saying 'you dont know x' isnt a refutation of ANYTHING

Strange: ofcourse it is

You: its an opinion You: you refuse to back it up with You: evidence

Stranger: again Stranger: what evidence for existence can i give you?

You: existence proves exstence, it doesnt prove god, think on that

Stranger: if i say god is existence

You: then you can say all you like

Stranger: wheres your evidence for existence

You: you dont have anything to base it on

Stranger: theres your evidence for god

You: i can say the world is balanced on the backs of elephants You: prove me wrong You: youve never BEEN to space

You: how can you know

Stranger: no becuase existence inst the world

You: its the same bullshit

Stranger: existence is existence

You: Metaphysics and nonsense

Stranger: so then stop coming on Omegle and talking to people about god Stranger: if you dont want to truly understand him Stranger: rremember

You: i understand it, i just hate it, its dishonesty and lies

Stranger: you wanted to ask questions Stranger: you got your answers Stranger: so if you hate it

You: i do not find them satisfactory

Stranger: its your fault not mine

You: they do not fit the reality i live in nor the reality of others

Stranger: well if you dont find existence satisfactory

Stranger: what can satify you? Stranger: well they fit mine and billions of other poeple

You: lots of people believe it? must be true!

Stranger: well most like is

You: most.. with exceptions?

Stranger: becuase people of all walks of life believe it

Stranger: scientist, farmers doctors etc Stranger: just because you cant see it Stranger: itsnt our fault but yours Stranger: anyway Stranger: i am off Stranger: i would love to debate

You: people of all walks of life deny the holocaust

Stranger: more

You: O_O You: that is a dead serious parody of what you just said

Stranger: lol Stranger: some dney the evidence

Stranger: i dont Stranger: anway Stranger: peace out dude Stranger: and remember

You: learn what evidence is, then talk to me

Stranger: lol i already do know Stranger: but i dont think you do Stranger: remember Stranger: you have no spirit

You: so why havnt you given any for god

Stranger: i did

You: it is supposedly E V I D E N T You: so where is the evidence?

Stranger: you dont accept that existence=god Stranger: so if you dont believe in existence

You: that doesnt make sense

Stranger: not my fault but yours Stranger: anyway Stranger: i am off

You: existence = existence You: a piano = a killer whale

Stranger: yes which is god

You: i havent proved anything

Stranger: god is all even piano and killer whale Stranger: you proved that both piano and whales exist Stranger: therefore you proved god

You: im here asking the questions that doesnt answer my question

Stranger: ok Stranger: you dont know what your asking or seeking Stranger: or i am off Stranger: bye

You: im asking, what evidence have you for god

Stranger: existence

You: existence is not an answer

Stranger: stop asking this

You: it doesnt work

Stranger: existence is god Stranger: existense itself is god

You: these are not like terms You: that doesnt make sense

Stranger: if it doesnt go find your spirit and try being spiritual Stranger: anyway Stranger: i am off

You: im genuinely telling you that existence =/= god You: and we know that You: you mentioned philosophy before

Stranger: i will do you a favour and will disconnect Stranger: so if you know existence is god, why are you seeking some kind of evidence?

You: if you have any notion of philosophy you must know that existence does not equal god

Stranger: anyway Stranger: whos philosophy? Stranger: ask yourself Stranger: nothing is the same

You: philosophy, not theology

You: theology isnt a real subject

Stranger: philosophy and theology are interlinked Stranger: anyway

You: its a myth based philosophy You: closed You: and quite against philosophy You: philosophy is literally 'the love of knowledge'

Stranger: again whos religion, whos philosphy Stranger: dude Stranger: stop thinking that all religions are the same

You: they are all myth based You: magic and gods and devils

Stranger: no, to you they are becuase you dont know any better Stranger: anyway i am going Stranger: i really need to sleep

You: i know all different kinds of gods, and if you think that 98% people are spiritual you must know that a lot of them believe in heaven and hell

Stranger: whos hell and whos heaven

You: their all fake so it doesnt matter

Stranger: to you they are becuase you dont know any better Stranger: remeber

You: i know better than to believe in god

Stranger: spirit Stranger: again Stranger: to udnerstand this stuff you need to understand your spirit, its not the 'Mind' or a piece of body

You: enjoy only being right amongst your own people :)

Stranger: same to you :-)

You: im loved universally

Stranger: yes by atheists Stranger: lol

You: for my passion and commitment to truth You: no, all

Stranger: yes all atheists

You: no, my truth is not an atheist truth You: it is the truth behind atheism

Stranger: yes with atheists only

You: no gods or devils, only man You: one for all mankind

Stranger: yes thats atheism

You: yeah, then why call it a religion You: like not collecting stamps is a hobby?

Stranger: yes becuase of what you stated above Stranger: anyway friend

You: atheists are born, christians are made

Stranger: atheists are made

You: a baby doesnt believe in god You: god is its mother

Stranger: baby atleast has a spirit Stranger: you lost yours

You: it was never there, and neither is yours You: its all in your head

Stranger: no i did, you lost yours Stranger: maybe in yours

Stranger: anyway Stranger: have fun with your atheists friends talking how right atheism is and all other belief systems are, and make sure you refer to you idols and saints like hawkins for inspiration Stranger: anyway Stranger: see you later

You: buuurn You: lolnah

Stranger: plus i must atmit Stranger: admit Stranger: and dont take it the wrong way Stranger: but atheists are the most devout believers i ever have to deal with Stranger: anyway friend

You: nonbelievers*

Stranger: peace and thanks for the chat

You: pretty silly when you realise

Stranger: yes but its still a belief in the non-belief

You: what you said You: is that nonbelievers are the most strict nonbelievers You: stop thinking about atheists with such hateful tones, they only want you to open your eyes

Stranger: yes but you still believe in a nonbelieve, otherwise you wouldnt be here debating your point of view that your belief that nothing exists is correct

You: and stop thinking with emotion You: noooooo

Stranger: and i want them to open their eyes Stranger: and i dont hate them Stranger: i love them Stranger: i see god in them

You: believing in nonbelief is like saying i believe in a nonbelief of unicorns You: aka i dont believe in unicorns You: your just saying it wrong

Stranger: yes but its still a belief that they dont exist Stranger: anyway Stranger: i must go Stranger: peace out

You: choke

Stranger: love you friend

You: i dont love you, you ignorant cunt

Stranger: god has made you truly beautiful

You: your proud of your ignorance and it sickens me

Stranger: thank you for your kind words

You: thanks for your nonsense You: its grade A+ pure nonsense You: if ever i saw it

Stranger: just to let you know i am preparing for myrtodom one day

You: good on ya

Stranger: so hopefully someone will your heart will bring that on me Stranger: thank you

You: thats kinda paranoid

Stranger: nope

You: i plan to live forever You: so far, so good

Stranger: i am freed from fear Stranger: anyway Stranger: i must go You: enjoy your delusion!

Stranger: peace to your heart and best of luck Stranger: you too!

You: what delusion? You: i dont have any You: no unicorns, no leprechauns, no gods

Stranger: you do you just dont know it Stranger: cheers

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