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COMPLAINT NUMBER: C0-12-08
INTERVIEWER: Commander Cline
LOCATION: Renton Police Department
DATE: July 26, 2012
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I am Commander Paul Cline of the Renton Police Department, the
Professional Standards Division. This ls an interview with Officer-
- uh also known as-- Uh the incident number is C0-12-
03 and it's a Internal infairs investigation. Internal affairs investigation.
Uh prior to getting started I'm going to read the Witness Officer
Admonition and that ls today's date is July 26, 2012 at 1017 hours. I am
Commander Paul Cline interviewing Officer--regarding. a
complaint of General Orders 26.1.1.2b Unbecoming Conduct, General
Orders 26.1.1.2g Fictitious Illness or Injury Reports and General Order
26.1.1.2tt Truthfulness, which Is alleged to have occurred on July 13,
2012 at approximately 1600 hours. Officer- do you understand
this conversation is being tape recorded?
Yes f do ..
And dol have your permission to tape?
Yes.
Officer- you are here as a witness in the above listed complaint, a
matter which concerns another officer. A complaint has not been flied
against you and you are not under investigation in this matter. Officer
- I wish to advise you that you are being questioned as part of an
official investigation ofthe Renton Pollee Department. You are reminded
that section 26.11nsubordlnation and Truthfulness of the Renton Police
Department General Orders do apply in this matter and that you must
truthfully respond. Any refusal to respond may result in disciplinary
action as outlined in General Order 26.L Do you understand that?
Yes l do.
Alright. I'm gonna sign this and I'm gonna ask you to sign it as well. And
after the interview I will furnish you with a copy of this. And if I could
have you date it-interjects with "Mmm hmm
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signature as well please.
Will do.
Okay.
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There you go.
Okay for the purpose of this interview I'm gonna use your name,. um
that's the name that you typically go by. Uh,-
(-interjects} Actually I get cailed all kinds of things.
(Cline laughs) Alright ...
Thafs one of the things.
Well, we'll go with .. Urn, I want to draw your attention to July 13th at
uh when you were working dayshift I believe on Sergeant Summer crew
uh north end PatroL
Correct, the {Cline interjects with "Were you
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The 24 district?
District, district 24 yeah.
Alright, uh you were working on the 13th correct?
Yes.
Uh did you attend briefing on the 13th?
Yes.
Uh was that briefing conducted by Officer Summers or?
I believe Summers was off that cycle. I believe -was the (Cline
interjects with "Okay''} OIC.
So while you were -clears his throat) in that briefing, was Officer
-also in that briefing?
You know I believe so. I don't have any independent recollection but I
believe he was working that day cuz later on we were on an incident so
I'm assuming he was there that morning.
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Alright. Nothing that would draw your attention to instantly recognize
that he was there?
Uh you know perhaps if wasn't there l would have noticed.
Okay.
And l, ! don't recall him not being there, so.
I believe you said that when we, we had talked uh a short time ago about
where you sit in briefing and you said everybody's pretty much set
(-laughs) to a specific place where they sit, kind of creatures of
habit sort of thing. Where do you sit in relation to Officer-in the
briefing?
Well ! sit in the middle row uh closest to the door and- usually sits
two seats to my right.
Okay so one Officer between you or?
No, empty seat.
Oh so just an empty seat?
Mmmhmm.
Okay on the 13th at briefing dld you notice anything unusual about Officer
have any conversation with him?
Well typically we would have conversation but I have no recollection of
anything unusual, uh specifically no injuries or anything (Cline interjects
with "Okay") that, that were noted.
Would you have had an opportunity to look at his hands, specifically his
right hand, during briefing?
Yeah, but if he, unless he would have drawn attention to it, l probably
wouldn't have noticed unless he was like wearing a bandage or
something !ike that, I probably wouldJve noticed, but just you know ...
(Cline interjects) Okay so nothing came to-interjects with "No,
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CLINE: During that day do you recall if you went to any calls with uh Officer
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- only one ! recall is a uh traffic collision on NE 3rd under 405. And
-and I g-irst and then l think uh Ralph Hyett and-
-howed up after that.
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- And took over the investigation.
CUN E: While you were there, did you happen to notice if uh Officer- had
a conversation with Officer -
- You know I have no independent recollection. It's, l mean I can just
assume that we a !I talked at some point together not necessarily at the
same time.
CLINE: {Cline interjects) Okay but you're, you're not aware of any conversation,
you didn't overhear(- interjects with "No") any just(-
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Officer uh ...
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CLINE: Okay. Do you recall- dears his throat) any other incidents that
you were on during that day with him?
- ldon't.
CLINE: During that day did you notice if there was uh anything unusual about
him and specifically any injury or was he uh holding his hand any
differently or do you recall anything like that?
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No.
Now you finished that shift. Did uh did you attend Defensive Tactic
training that day?
No actually I just uh did Defensive Tactic's yesterday.
Okay were you aware that Office- had Defensive Tactic training
that day?
Yeah, I believe he did that afternoon.
Okay. Alright, uh so you didn't see hlm for the remainder of the day
then.
Mmm ! don't recall seeing him after that.
Okay. And if I was tuh say that the call you were on with Officer Hyett
and- was approximately 1300 hours would that be about right?
That'd be about right, yeah.
Okay. Uh, now l want to draw your attention to July 14:h_ Did you come
to work dayshift Patrol on that day as well?
Yeah l believe it was a Saturday morning.
Okay. Were uh, was Off, or Sergeant Summers working that day either?
l don't believe so; no. I believe uh-was still the OJC.
Okay. Was Officer-present uh at the briefing?
Yes, he was. In fact I recall him being in civies and he was seated same
chair, to my right.
Can you tell me what you remember about that?
Um, he'd mentioned that urn he had injured his, J believe it was his rlght
thumb, during uh the DT training the day before and he, I remember him
holding it up and !, I could see that it was, appeared to me to be swollen.
And l believe he took the rest of the day and went home sick that day.
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CUNE: Okay. Uh, did he make any comment about whether he had received
treatment for that injury or anything?
- You know I don't recall him saying anything about that. He, he may have.
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CUNE: Did you have any further conversation with him about it-
interjects '/No") prior to hlm leaving for the day?
- No. After briefing he1 he left and !left.
CliNE: Okay. Was there any mention about him trying to draw hls weapon and
having difficulty doing that or were you not aware of that?
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I recall him briefly commenting about the injury happened when
he was cuz we, hand gun retention during DT and it happened sometime
during the, one of the drills they were doing.
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- Defensive Tactics.
CLINE: Defensive Tactics training.
- Right.
CUNE: Okay.
- Mmmhmm.
CLINE: Um, so he left that day and you didn't have any further contact with him?
- No.
CLINE: Did you talk to anybody else about his injury or anything?
- No. No I didn't.
CLINE: Have any conversation with, in Defensive Tactics training uh yesterday
about the injury?
- No.
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Uh, during Defensive Tactics training did they ask prior to and after the
training if anyone was injured prior to the training?
Yeah they did. ! do specifically recall them asking just before I went out
the door.
Okay.
Everybody's okay, nobody's injured? Nobody was.
Okay. Uh, so you had no further contact with Officer- and have
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gone and, and he just came back to work yesterday! ls that correct?
Yesterday morning I saw him ln the locker room when I came in and he
gave me a thumbs up cuz l asked him how he was feeling (Cline interjects
with "Okay"} and that was it.
And during the time that he was gone which would be July 14th through
the 24
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No.
By phone or anything?
No.
Okay.
Huh uh.
Uh did you have any conversation to, with him about, any further
conversation with him about how the injury occurred or?
No.
Okay. Uh is there anything else you can remember about the uh briefing
or time you spent with him regarding this injury?
Huh uh. No, no I just urn pretty much what we've talked about's all! can
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Okay. That'll conclude this interview and the time is 1024 hours.
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INTERNAL AFFAIRS
PRE-INTERVIEW NOTIFICA'110N
C0-12-08
COMPLI\lhJTNUMBER
Officer- per Article 16, sectionB ofthe commissioned contract, I am advising
you that:
1 . The alleged complaint does I does not involve criminal activity.
2. The alleged complaint does constitute misconduct that would be grounds for
tennination, suspension, or other disciplinary action.
3. The alleged complaint if proven, may a:tiect your ability for continued
employment with the Department.
4. I am in charge of the investigation.
5. 1 will be conducting the interview.
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OFFICER NOTIFICATION
C0-12-08
COMPLA.JN7 NUMBER
Officer- per Article 16, section 13 of the commissioned contract, I am notifYing
you that a formal investigation is being conducted in which you are considered a:
XX Suspect
Witness
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The allegations of the investigation include the folJowing violations of the General Orders
of the Renton Police Dcprutment.
26.L l.ll.B Unbecoming Conduct
26.1.1.11.0 Fictitious Illness or Injury Reports
26.1.1.11. IT Truthfulness
If you are considered a suspect in this investigation, you have the right to Guild
representation at the time of the interview.
I have scheduled the interview for "7 -"'2..-1 ...,. 11-
hours.
If you have any questions, let me know.
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ACCUSED OFFICER ADMONITION
Today's date is { -7---{ _,. l 1--
C0-12-08
COMPLAINT NUMBER
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Commander Paul Cline interviewing Officer-regarding a complaint of
violation of Renton Police Department GO's
26.1.l.ll.B Unbecoming conduct
26.1.1.ll.G Fictitious illness or injury report
26.l.l.ll.TT Truthfulness
which is alleged to have occurred on July 13, 2012 at approximately 1600 homs.
Officer- do you Understand that this conversation is being tape recorded?
(Answer)
Officer - do you wish to have a Guild representative present dming this interview?
@No) Let the record reflect that
( .. ./(} Tf! '/ (I;-(Z_l;.r/ is present Please acknowledge yom
presence bystlting yom nmne.
Prior to thMrview, were you given the opportunity to read the complaint of this
incident? No)
given an opportunity to consult with yom representative prior to this interview?

Officer - I wish to advise you that you are being questioned as part of an official
investigation of the Renton Police Department. You will be asked questions specifically
directed and narrowly related to the performance ofyom official duties or fitness for
office.
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You are reminded that section 26.1 "Insubordination" and "Truthfulness" of the Renton
Police Department General Orders do apply in this matter and that you must truthfully
respond. Any refusal to respond may result in disciplinary action as outlined in general
Order No. 26.1
You are entitled to all the rights and privileges guaranteed by law and the Constitution of
the United States, including the right not to be compelled to incriminate yourself.
I further wish to advise you that if you refuse to testify or answer questions relating to the
performance of your official duties or fitness for duty, you will be subject to departmental
charges which could result in your dismissal from the Renton Police Department.
If you do answer, neither your statements nor any information or evidence which is
gained by reason of such statements can be used against you in any subsequent criminal
proceeding. However, these statements may be used against you in relation to subsequent
departmental charges.
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COMPLAINT NUMBER: C0-12-08
INTERVIEWER: Commander Cline
LOCATION: Renton Police Department
DATE: July 27, 2012
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Alright my name is Paul Cline and I am a division Commander of the
Professional Standards Division of the Renton Police Department.
Today's date is 7-27-12, it's 1101 hours. Uh today I'm interviewing
Officer- And uh. we are being taped uh I need when we talk
ifyou answer questions I need an affirmative yes or no for a verbal
answer uh because gestures and stuff aren't picked up by the tape, okay?
I understand.
Okay. Before we get started I want to read you the uh Accused Officer
Admonition and this is reference uh complaint number C0-12-08. And
this interview is being conducted in the office of Professional Standards.
Today's date is 7-27-12 at 1101 hours. I am Commander Paul Cline
interviewing Officer regarding a complaint of the violation of
the General Orders of the Renton Police Department 26.1.1.2b
Unbecoming Conduct, 26.1.1.2g Fictitious Illness or Injury Report and
26.1.1.2.tt Truthfulness, which is alleged to have occurred on or about
July 13, 2012 at approximately 1600 hours. Officer- do you
understand this conversation is being tape recorded?
Yes.
And do I have your permission to do so?
Yes.
Officer- do you wish to have a Guild representative present during
this interview?
Yes.
And let the record reflect that Office Cathy Citron is present. Uh Cathy
can you please acknowledge your presence by stating your name?
Yes, this is uh Cathy Citron with the Renton Police Office.
Prior to this interview were you given opportunity to read the complaint
of this incident and that'd be what I explained to you uh yesterday what
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Um okay. (-clears his throat) Were you given an opportunity to
consult with your representative prior to the interview?
Yes.
Okay. Officer_l.wish to advise you that you are being questioned
as part of an official investigation of the Renton Police Department. You
will be asked questions specifically.directed and narrowly related to the
performance of your official duties for fitness or duties or fitness for
office. You are reminded that section 26.11nsubordination and
Truthfulness of the Renton Police Department General Orders do apply in
this matter and that you must truthfully respond. Any refusal to respond
may result in disciplinary action as outlined in General Orders nu, number
26.1. You are entitled to all the rights and privileges guaranteed by law
and the Constitution of the United States including the right not to be
compelled to incriminate yourself. I further wish to advise you that if you
refuse to testify, or answer questions relating to the performance of your
official duties or fitness for duty, you will be subject to departmental
charges which could result in your dismissal from the Renton Police
Department .. If you do answer, neither your statements nor any
information or evidence which is gained by reason of such statement can
be used against you in any subsequent criminal proceeding. However,
these statements may be used against you in relation to subsequent
departmental charges. Do you understand that?
Yes.
Do you realize it's the Garrity?
Yes.
Okay. And that anything that, that would be gained from this since
you're being compelled to testify would not be admissible in criminal?
Yes.
Okay. Alright .I'd like to ask you just a set of questions and they're
relating to an incident that occurred on July 13, 2012 um they were, you
were involved with Officer Do you recall that
incident?
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Okay. Can you please state your' name and employment?
and I'm a Police Officer for the City of Renton.
Are you aware of why I'm interviewing you?
Excuse me?
Are you aware of why I am interviewing you?
Yes.
Do you recall the incident we are here to discuss that occurred on July 13,
2012 at approximately 1600 hours?
Yes.
Were you working on July 13th and if so what was your assignment?
At that time I was on Patrol but I was scheduled to do Defensive Tactics.
Okay was that at 1430 hours that the Defensive Tactics training was?
Yes.
Okay. Did you attend the Defensive Tactics training at 1430?
Yes.
And did Officer- ! a t t e n d that same training with you?
Yes.
Are you aware that Office that he injured his right thumb
during the DT training he attended with you on July 13th?
Yes.
Do you know how Officer injured his right thumb.
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Can you please explain to me how he injured it?
He injured it while we were camping on our days off.
Okay, were you, you were on a camping trip, a family trip together
(-interjects with "Yes") or something?
We went camping on July lOth and on the second day July 6, no July 11th
uh we were hiking. I went out onto a log to go fishing on a lake and while
I was out there I had um my sinker came off of my line and I asked-
to get me another sinker. And while I was bringing in my line, I heard him
fall. And when he fell (-clears his throat) he was holding his right
thumb and he was moving it and testing if it was injured. He said he, he
knows it's not broken but it could be sprained. But I could see him
moving it.
Okay. So he, you said when he was coming back, he slipped down a hill
or something and?
No he, there are, I was out on a log which was in the lake.
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And there was another log kind offorty-five degree angle that he came
off ofto my log to get me a sinker.
And at that time he told you th-at he had injured his right thumb and he
thought it might be sprained.
Yes.
Okay. When office injured his thumb uh was there any
conversation between you and him about reporting this off duty injury as
an on duty injury?
Not at the campgrounds.
Was there at later time?
Yes.
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And when was that?
That was um after the camping trip when I was at home. He called me
and he wanted to, he asked if I was going to have DT on the 13t
clears his throat). I told him yes and he said he wanted to partner with
me. Usually he doesn't partner with me and I usually-partner with Officer
Brunner because he's my neighbor, we carpool, we're friends and we're
on the same squad. Um, I thought it was weird that he asked me to um
partner with him but I, I thought he didn't tell me because I knew about
his injury and I was his friend that it was I would be taking it easy on him
and not injuring him in DT.
Okay. Now when you say you thought that he was telling you that uh this
because he wanted to go easy was there any mention by him that he was
planning on reporting this as an injury that occurred on duty?
We joked about um uh L&l.
Okay when you say you joked about it, what do you mean you joked
about it?
When we, just like we do you know during shift and things like that, if we
get hurt we say oh on the job injury, L&l, kind of thing. So, I was, we
were joking about it together.
Okay. Did you know that he was going to claim that he had injured his
thumb in Defensive Tactics training?
I wasn't sure.
Now you say you weren't sure, and I need, I need an honest answer here.
Because we were, we were joking about it.
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{Cline interjects) Did he, did he ever say I'm going to report it as an on
duty injury or anything like that, or an L&l, or I'm gonna say that I injured
it at Defensive Tactics, did he ever say that to you? Anything like that?
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I believe, I thought it was in jest when we were joking around on .the
phone.
Okay, he, he did say it?
Yes.
But you thought it was in jest?
I thought it was in joking.
Okay. Was his thumb still injured at the time of the Defensive Tactics
training, do you know?
When we were at Defensive Tactics, and we were getting ready, um we
were told to stretch out, you know limber up. I saw him moving his
thumb. It looked okay to me. And then, we were told to put on gloves
for the defensive tactics.
Okay. Did you know that uh following the training Officer uh or
during the training actually uh he reported his thumb as being injured
during the training?
Yes.
Uh, was his thumb actually injured during the training.
J'm not, can you clarify that, which time?
Well his, his thumb was originally(- clears his throat) you said was
hurt.
Yes.
During the camping trip.
Yes,
When he fell and he injured his thumb. Uh wh, during the training Officer
uh went to I believe Office- and told him that he'd injured
his thumb during the training and that he was uh um needed to make
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training. Had he actually injured his thumb in training or had he injured it
at, at the campground?
I know he injured it at the campground.
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And when we were doing DT, clears his throat) I did the, you
know double hold for my gun retention (Cline interjects with "Mmm
hmm") and I turned. That's when he doubled over, almost to one knee,
holding his right thumb. And in pain (-clears his throat). Then he
went toOff, uh Officer- and to tell him what happened that he hurt
his thumb.
Did you find it a little bit strange that he had made a mention that he was
thinking of reporting it as an L&l injury when he initially injured it and
then in the training he did claim that?
Yes.
Did you feel that possibly he was not being truthful?
Possibly. But there was a instant before that when we were doing DT
training where we did the move and he grabbed his thumb in pain but I
thought he was just walking it off and you know flexing his thumb.
Okay. So the original injury occurred in the camping trip and that was
just a day or two before the Defensive Tactics training?
Yes.
Okay. Would it surprise you if I told you that he had mentioned to
another officer, or do you know anything about the fact that he
mentioned to another officer, that he was going to report it in Defensive
Tactics training as well?
I wouldn't be surprised.
Okay. Did he tell you he had mentioned that to anyone, before or after
the injury?
No.
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Okay. Why would (-clears his throat) you not be surprised by that?
Because, honestly we see him as he's- he's gonna do stupid things.
Well this is a little more than stupid. I mean this is interjects with
"Yes") this is uh violation of several General Orders of the Police
Department, um and when you make a comment to at least, well to you
and then to a, another officer, that you're planning on reporting this
injury as happening at Defensive Tactics and then you do, that's not really
just- Um, did you feel at all that, that he, he was not being truthful
in this then?
Yes.
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(Cline interjects) Go ahead and explain.
I actually thought I hurt him in DT. And when he to.ak off his glove it
looked like his thumb was swollen and when he was being treated by
another officer, by Officer- I really thought I hurt him. And he had
to sit out the rest of DT and then after- took me as uh assistant to do
another move where he would put his finger in the trigger guard and
prevent us from firing and he showed us a move where we'd turn our gun
with both hands, and I did that and I did it too fast and I almost hufil.l
too. So I thought I u r ~ a n d now I'm hurting) too.
Well let me ask you a question. You say that you, you did this move and
that he took his glove off and you immediately noticed his hand was
swollen. Do you think that an injury received apparently within seconds
before you saw it would be swollen already?
No.
Was his hand uh swollen uh while you were on the camping trip?
No, I didn't see it.
Okay. So when he in, injured it then and he admitted that he injured it, it
didn't swell immediately.
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But yet, af, when he reported the injury at Defensive Tactics, he took his
hand out of the glove and immediately it was swollen. Do you find that
kind of hard to believe?
Yes.
Um, okay. Have you reported the, the information that Office
injured his hand while you were camping off duty uh to your supervisor
or anybody else?
No.
Do you know if-did?
I don't know.
Okay. And were you uh, you were obviously present when he reported
injuring his thumb to the Defensive Tactics instructors, correct?
Yes.
Uh, do you know which instructor he uh reported it to?
Officer-
Okay. Was any other Defensive Tactic instructor present at that time?
They were all in the room; Officer Officer Hassinger and
Officer Ashbaugh.
Okay and he went directly to Officer- though?
Yes.
Okay. Did you overhear what Officer told them?
I don't remember what he said to them.
Okay. What did they do when he showed him the injury?
Taped his uh thumb up.
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Okay. And then he did not continue in DT after that?
No.
Okay. To your knowledge did any of the Defensive Tactics instructors
know that Officer had injured himself off duty prior to the
training class?
I don't know.
You have no knowledge of that? How about Officer- Do you
(-interjects with "I didn't) know if he told Officer- or Officer
or Officer Hassinger that he'd been injured prior to that?
I was the last to go to DT, the last one (Cline interjects with "Okay") to
show up, so I didn't know what (Cline interjects with "Okay")
conversations he had.
Okay. And did you talk to- prior to that?
About?
Prior to the Defensive Tactics training, about whether or not his uh he
was gonna report the injury at DT?
Only the phone conversation we had, that we were joking. I didn't think
he would actually do it.
Okay. When he did report his hand injured did you tell either of the
Defensive Tactics that he had injured his thumb prior?
I don't remember.
You don't remember telling them that? Do you know if-(-
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I don't know if he told them.
Okay. From what you've told me um it seems fairly clear that his hand
was injured prior to this, um that it was swollen, and that at the
defensive tactics when he took his hand out of the glove it was obviously
swollen. Um, it seems very unlikely that a hand would swell immediately
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that quickly from pulling it out of a glove from a, a minor injury like that.
With the information that he had given you, do you feel that Officer
knew that what he was doing was wrong and a violation of the
General Orders?
Yes.
And you said when I asked you before that it was Officer idea,
on the phone when you said you thought he was joking, it was his idea to
report this as an on duty injury?
Yes.
Can I ask, I'd like to ask you why, when he reported it injured there, why
did you not say something to anybody that about you know his hand was
injured prior to this. Did that cross your mind?
No. I didn't know what he told his supervisor about how he got injured.
Okay. Do you know what the appropriate thing to do was after
his thumb, on the camping trip?
Ex, excuse me?
When he injured his thumb and he came back to work um and had the
Defensive Tactics training, what do you think the appropriate thing for
him to have done was?
He should have informed the supervisor or the instructor and sat out.
Mmm hmm. Have you discussed this incident with Officer-
-13th?
Yes.
Since the date ofthe injury? And what was that discussion?
He said uh he made a claim for urn L&l.
Okay was this a phone conversation you had with him or in person?
In person.
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Okay. What did he tell you about the L&l claim, did he tell you that it
was, did he say it was legitimate, did he say that he was claiming it there
and that it was not legitimate that it actually had injured it camping?
He never said that to me.
Okay. Have you discussed this incident with anyone else other than
Officer
My wife.
Okay. Now do you recall when you discussed it with Officer after
uh after he injured it camping and after the Defensive Tactics training
where he injured or where he reported the injury? Do you remember
how long after that it was that you talked with him next?
Could I see a calendar, I can give you the day.
I just need approximate, just.
We went camping on our next days off.
Okay. And you discussed it then?
Yes.
Okay. Can you think of any reason why Officer would report this
injury uh as an L&l injury when he obviously injured his thumb on the
camping trip? Do you know if he was low on leave time? Did he say
anything about he, he didn't have time to do this or do you have any idea
why he would say that? Or why he did say that?
Um, to us it's common knowledge that Officer uses his leave
time a lot and doesn't have a lot of saved time, sick or personal leave.
And I believe he used it for leave.
Okay. Um did he say anything about that to you or did, was there any
mention of that by him?
No.
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Okay. When you talked to him on the phone that time and he said that
he was uh gonna report it as L&l um did he say anything about why he
wanted to do that or why he would do that?
N o ~
Okay. Okay .s there anything else that you would like to tell me about
this incident and your involvement prior to my ending this interview?
When I do DT, I'm really focused because I love doing that kind of stuff
and technical things. I participate in Judo and when Officer
instructs I really pay attention because he has taught me a lot of Judo
techniques that I haven't learned in my Dolo. I think he's a good
instructor and I learn a lot from him for Defensive Tactics. And I was very
focused on there. When I was doing the moves with - he showed
pain on one of them, prior moves, but he walked it off. So I thought he
was okay. And I kept a constant grip and he never complained about the
pain, or never complained about any injury. When I did um the last
move, I used the same amount of pressure and turned and then that's
when he went down.
Well would it, would it make sense to you that if when you did this first
move and you, he winced and showed pain that that was because his
thumb was already injured? And that by then putting pressure on it, it
caused pain? Would that make sense?
For the very first one?
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Okay. Is there anything else you'd like to tell me? I, I, well actually one, I
have one last thing. You said that you were not aware if he had told uh if,
if, if Officer- or Officer Hassinger or Morgan were aware
that his hand was injured. You don't know if he had mentioned anything
to them or if he told them anything about this prior to it?
I don't remember.
You don't remember or you don't know?
I really don't know if he talked to them or not.
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Okay, no problem. Alright this will conclude the interview. The time is
now 1125.
Oh sorry, could 1...
{Cline interjects) Oh, okay we're back on the {-clears his throat)
tape, go ahead.
Prior to thi_s investigation I really thought I hur And I really felt bad
that I hurt him. But now it um the investigation is out and he's claiming it
from camping. I have my doubts that I really hurt him.
Yeah. So you don't really think that you hurt him during the Defensive
Tactics training?
Not now.
Okay. And, but, and you do feel it was from the camping trip is where he
injured it and that's why he was hurt?
Yes.
Okay. That will conclude thts interview. The time is 1125 hours.
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C0-12-08
Interview Questions
Interviewer: Commander Paul Cline
Officer: Officer-
Date: 1 _,.. )-\ _, \)... Time: \ \ A \
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Interview is being recorded. Please give clear, verbal answers.
Read, "Accused Officer Admonition".
1. Please state your name and employment.
2. Are you aware of why I am interviewing you?
. 3. Do you recall the incident we are here to discuss that occurred on July 13, 2012 at approx.
1600?
4.
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7.
. Were you working on July 13, 2012 and if so what was your assignment?
Did you attend Defensive lactics training on July 13, 201 at 1430 hours
Did Officer attend that same training with you?
Are you aware that Officer claimed that he injured his right thumb during the DT
training he attended with you on July 13th?
\ 8. Do you know how Officer really injured his right thumb? Explain in detail please.
"'\. 9. Follow-up (Admonish truthfulness}
\ 10. When injured his thumb did you both talk about him reporting it as an on-duty
violation? What was discussed?
.- 11. Did you know he was going to claim that he injured his thumb in DT training?
- 12. What discussion did you have with Officer about his injury?
""' 13. Do you know why he reported it as an on-duty injury?
'- 14. Was it because his leave balance is very low?
"' 15. Did you report the information that Officer actually injured his hand off duty to your
or any supervisor?
"' 16. Were you present when he reported injuring his thumb to the DT instructors?
'- 17. Who were the DT instructors?
""' 18. What did tell them?
........ 19. What did they do?
""- 20. To your knowledge did any of the DT instructors know that had injured himself off-
duty prior to the DT training class?
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"'. 22. Did you know that what Officer and you were doing was wrong and a violation of
Renton Police General Orders?
\ 23. Who's idea was it to report Officer injury as an on duty-injury?
"". 24. Why did you do it?
"'- 25. Do you know what the appropriate thing to do was after injured his thumb?
"'- 26. Have you discussed this incident with Officer since July 13th? What was that
discussion?
' 27. Have you discussed the incident with anyone else?
"'- 28. Is there anything else you would like to tell me about this incident and your involvement in
it prior to my ending this interview?
Date and time interview was concluded.
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INTERNAL AFF AlRS
PRE-INTERVIEW NOTIFICATION
C0-12-08
COMPLAINT NUMBER
Officer per Article 16, section B of the commissioned contract, I
am advising you that:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
The alleged complaint does I does not involve criminal activity. Pc-\ ' \ - \ \ ~ "Tun<e: ' f ~
The alleged complaint does constitute misconduct that would be grounds for
termination, suspension, or other disciplinary action_
The alleged complaint if proven, may affect your ability for continued
employment with the Department.
I am in charge of the investigation.
I will be conducting the interview.
Date
RENTON POLICE DEPARTMENT
INTERNAL AFFAIRS
OFFICER NOTIFICATION
C0-12-08
CO:MPLA1NT NUMBER
Officer per Article 16, section B of the commissioned contract, I am
notifying you that a formal investigation is being conducted in which you are considered
a:
XX Suspect
_____ Witness
The allegations of the investigation include the following violations of the General Orders
of the Renton Police Department.
26.1.1.11.B Unbecoming Conduct
26 .1.1.11. G Fictitious illness or Injury Reports
26.l.l.ll.TT Truthfulness
If you are considered a suspect in this investigation, you have the right to Guild
representation at the time of the interview.
I have scheduled the interview for
hours.
If you have any questions, let me know.
Date
Date

RENTON POLICE DEP ARTI\1ENT
INTERNAL AFFAIRS
ACCUSED OFFICER ADMONITION
Today's date is Tu.Lq 31
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C0-12-08
COMPLAINT NUMBER
at _1_/_JL/_Cl_--=lp.___ __ hours. I am
Commander Paul Cline interviewing Officer regarding a
complaint of violation ofRenton Police Department GO's
26.1.1.11.B Unbecoming conduct
26.l.l.ll.G Fictitious illness or injury report
26.1.1.11. TT Truthfulness
which is alleged to have occurred on July 13, 2012 at approximately 1600 hours.
Officer-. do you understand that this conversation is being tape recorded?
(Answer) f JD .
Officer-do you wish to have a Guild representative present during this
interview? No) Let the record reflect that
__..}W ..... l . is present Please acknowledge your
pres ce by stating yo nam :
Prior to this interview, were you given the opportunity to read the complaint of this
incident? No)
given an opportunity to consult with your representative prior to this interview?

Officer- I wish to advise you that you are being questioned as part of an official
investigation ofthe Renton Police Department. You will be asked questions specifically
directed and narrowly related to the performance of your official duties or fitness for
office.
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You are reminded that section 26.1 "Insubordination" and "Truthfulness" of the Renton
Police Department General Orders do apply in this matter and that you must truthfully
respond. Any refusal to respond may result in disciplinary action as outlined in general
Order No. 26.1
You are entitled to all the rights and privileges guaranteed by law and the Constitution of
the United States, including the right not to be compelled to incriminate yourself.
I further wish to advise you that if you refuse to testifY or answer questions relating to the .
performance of your official duties or fitness for duty, you will be subject to departmental
charges which could result in your dismissal from the Renton Police Department
If you do answer, neither your statements nor any information or evidence which is
gained by reason of such statements can be used against you in any subsequent criminal
proceeding. However, these statements may be used against you in relation to subsequent
departmental charges.
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COMPLAINT NUMBER: C0-12-08
INTERVIEWER: Commander Cline
LOCATION: Renton Police Department
DATE: July 31, 2012
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My name is Paul Cline. I'm the Commander of the Professional Standards
Division for the Renton Police Department. Uh today's date's July 31,
2012 at approximately 1406 hours. Uh the purpose of this meeting is to
interview Officer reference Renton Police
Department Internal Complaint number C0-12-08. Um,- since we
are gonna be on tape I would like to uh just ask that any answers you
have are verbal, yes, no. Uh the recorder does not pick up nods (
interjects with "Okay") or anything like that so please be verbal. And
please speak clearly if you can.
Okay.
Prior to our interview I want to read you the Renton Police Department
Internal Affairs Accused Officer Admonition. Today's date is July 31, 2012
at 1406 hours. I am Commander Paul Cline interviewing Officer-
egarding complaint of violation of Renton Police Department
General Orders 26.1.1.2b Unbecoming Conduct, 26.1.1.2g Fictitious
Illness or Injury Report and 26.1.1.2.tt Truthfulness, which is alleged to
have .occurred on July 13, 2012 at approximately 1600 hours. Officer
do you understand this conversation is being tape recorded?
I do.
And do I have your permission to do so?
You.
Officer do you 1 have a Guild representative present
during this interview?
I do.
Let the record reflect that Sergeant Craig Sjolin is present. Please
acknowledge your presence by stating your name.
Craig Sjolin.
Prior to this interview were you given the opportunity to read the
complaint of the uh ofthis incident?
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Alii was given was the uh notice that I was subject. I never really
received a complaint.
Okay, I'm gonna go ahead and uh give you the complaint allegation then.
I'm gonna put the notification on pause. I know we discussed this but uh
apparently I didn't give you the actual complaint.
Yeah.
Let me go ahead, let me go and do it.
Okay.
So we will be pausing the tape for one minute. Okay we are back on the
tape and .. the complaint summary is reference C0-12-08. And it
reads the complaint received on July 19, 2012 alleges that Officer-
falsely reported injuring his right thumb while participating in a
Renton Police Department Defensive Tactics training at 200 Mill Avenue
South on July 13, 2012 at 1600 hours. Officer reported he
injured his thumb during the training. How off, officer, however, Officer
reported that prior to attending the training she
had noticed his right thumb had been injured and told her that
he was going to attend Defensive Tactics training later that day and was
going to report that injury at that time. Officer attended the
Defensive TactiCs training on July 13th, 1430 hours and did in fact report
to the instructors he had injured his right thumb during one of the
training $Cenarios when his thumb was wedged between Officer
holster and hip. Department and City Injury reports detailing the incident
were completed and then signed by Officer The allegations, if
proven to be true, would constitute a violation of the Renton Police
Department General Orders listed below. A violation of General Orders
uh 26.1.1.2b Unbecoming Conduct, General Orders 26.1.1.2g Fictitious
Illness or Injury Report and violation of General Orders 26.1.1.2tt
Truthfulness. Are you aware of the complaint uh allegation against you
at this point?
I am.
Okay. Were you given opportunity to co.nsult with your representative
prior to interviewing?
I was.
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Okay. Officer I wish to advise you you're being questioned as
part of an official investigation of the Renton Police Department. You will
be asked questions specifically directed and narrowly related to the
performance of your official duties for fitness of office. You are reminded
that sections 26.11nsubordination and Truthfulness ofthe Renton Police
Department General Orders do apply in this matter and that you must
truthfully respond. Any refusal to respond may result in disciplinary
action as outlined in General Orders number 26.1. You are entitled to all
the rights and privileges guaranteed by law and the Constitution of the
United States including the right not to be compelled to incriminate
yourself. I further wish to advise you that if you refuse to testify, or
answer questions relating to the performance of your official duties or
fitness for duty, you will be subject to departmental charges which could
result in your dismissal from the Renton Police Department. If you do not
answer, neither your state, or I'm sorry, if you do answer neither your
statements nor any information or evidence which is gained by reason of
such statement can be used against you in any subsequent criminal
proceeding. However, these statements may be used against you in
retali, in relation to subsequent departmental charges. And basically
that's your Garrity warning. Do you, do you understand that?
I, I understand.
Okay. I'm gonna go ahead and sign that and then I'm gonna have you
and Sergeant Sjolin sign it. And date it please. And I will provide you a
copy of this uh following the interview. Alright., urn can you st, state
your name and employment please?
Officer of the City of Renton.
Are you aware of why rm interviewing you today,-?
Yes.
Do you recall the incident that we are here to discuss that occurred on
July 13th at approximately 1600 hours?
Yes.
Were you working on July 13, 2012 and if so what your assignment?
I was assigned to PatroliB North as the 1 Robert 22.
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Okay. Did you attend Defensive Tactics training on July 13th at 1430
hours?
Yes.
Did Officer also attend that same trdining with you?
Yes.
Uh I'd like to ask you right off the bat here- how did you injure your
right thumb?
Um, I initially hurt it camping.
Okay. Can you explain a little more about how that had happened?
Uh, when, while I was camping uh with a couple offamilies, -family
was one of the families there. Um, I was going down to assist him cuz he
was fishing and I slipped on a ravine and uh hyper-extended my thumb
(Cline interjects with "Okay"} uh on a tree branch.
Did you seek any medical treatment for that or?
No.
Okay. How bad was the injury?
I, I was able to function at work. I had no problems manipulating my
holster or any other duty of my office. I mean, (Cline interjects with
"Okay") it was sore, I, I have pain but I could still use it and it's not like
any other day where I come to work with pain.
CLINE: Okay.
So.
CLINE: Was Officer-with you when you injured your thumb?
He was.
CLINE: And did you tell him about the injury?
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I did.
Okay. In the days after you injured your thumb camping and before you
attended Defensive Tactics training on July 13th, did you call Officer
I did.
And during that conversation did you tell Officer-that you were
going to report that your right thumb was injured and that it occurred
during the Defensive Tactics training on July 13th?
I didn't tell him that, but we did joke about uh L&l.
What did you, what do you mean you joked about it?
Uh it, it's, it's, it's part of the culture where we come from that we joke
about oh you're gonna get L&l, oh you know. It, it wasn't uh, it wasn't an
intention to actually do the claim. It was just joking about it. And then
that's when I asked him hey, if you're gonna go to Defensive Tactics,
since you know my thumb is sore would you mind paring up with me cuz
you can mitigate from it getting any worse.
Okay. So did you ever make the statement to him that you were going,
or something similar to that you were gonna report it as an L&l injury or
that you were going to (inaudible) ...
interjects) I, I made a comment like hey you know if you hurt at
camping it's sick leave if you hurt it at on duty or in training then it's L&l
and we joked {Cline interjects with "Okay"} about it.
Did you specifically tell him you were going to report it?
No.
As an L&l?
No.
Okay. Uh did he have anything to say when you told him that?
Well we, he joked about it and hahaha. But he didn't say oh that's stupid
or you know cuz he knew I was joking about it.
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Okay. Did you report to any of the DT instructors that you'd injured your
thumb uh during the DT training?
I did.
Did you tell any ofthose Defensive Tactics instructors that you had
injured your thumb prior to that?
I did.
Who, who'd you tell that to?
I told, I told prior to the first scenario that I hurt my thumb uh
camping. And he says so you're not gonna do the scenarios? I said no, 1
can use my thumb. I'm gonna man up, I'm gonna do it. So he (Cline
interjects with "Okay") said okay.
Okay. And that was a true statement?
Yes.
Did you tell any ofthe other Defensive Tactics instructors anything about
it?
I told uh Officer before DTtrainingthat I, I'd hurt my thumb
camping, yeah.
Okay. And what was his response?
Uh, I don't remember him having a response, you know, okay. I mean, I,
I, I don't remember him having much of a response of anything. I mean I
don't remember him saying can you do it or not? I don't remember him,
his reaction to it at all.
Okay. When, when you say that you asked uh Officer-to be your
Defensive Tactics partner, is that something you would normally do?
No.
Um, do you think it would've been as easy to simply go to training and
tell whoever you were with that your thumb had been injured and that
uh to go easy on it?

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Possibly, but I know, I know Officer-martial arts background. I
know he's got a martial arts background, so do L I know that he knows
when to let up. So I feel safer with him being that I know him and I know
his abilities. I, I didn't trust going to DT uh training and going with
somebody that I wasn't as familiar or comfortable with and then telling
'em hey take it easy. I mean, things are gonna happen anyway, so.
Okay. Did you tell anybody else that you'd irijured your thumb uh
camping?
Uh, Officer
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I mean, I, I joked about it throughout the day so I mean there might have
been other people that I told in jest, I, I don't remember everybody, I
mean I remember telling Officer In fact you know I, to be honest
I don't remember her reaction either.
Okay. Now when we talked about Officer when you contacted
Officer . was that at a traffic collision scene on July 13th at about
1:00pm?
That's correct, yes.
Okay. And did you have a conversation with her at that time?
Obviously I did, yeah.
CLINE: Yeah.
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l don't remember the entire conversation.
Okay. Did she, during that conversation, notice that your thumb was
injured and swollen and ask you about it?
Weill showed it to her.
CLINE: Okay.
1 mean you can look at it and it's still kind of swollen but I mean this is on
an injured hand. I had (Cline interjects with "Yeah") surgery on this hand
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twelve years ago and it's always gonna, I mean from day to day, today
the hand hurts. Um, on the days it doesn't and today this, the thumb is
still swollen but I mean other days it's fine.
CLINE: Okay.
It just happened to be uh part ofthe camping injury as well as just the
general condition of my hand.
CLINE: Okay.
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But it doesn't keep me from my duties.
For reference on the tape, Officer was showing Commander
Cline uh a prior injury or preexisting injury and condition.
When you injured your thumb camping um did it swell up immediately
( interjects with "No"} or did it take a while for it to swell up?
It didn't swell up immediately. Took a while, maybe a day or two.
Okay. And was it still swollen at the time you went into Defensive Tactics
training?
I believe it was going down already at that point.
Okay, but it was still swollen at that point?
A little bit.
Okay. Did you tell Officer that when she noticed the injury to
your, to your thumb that you were going to say it happened in DT later
that day?
I did, I did say that in jest, yes.
Okay. And you say that was in jest?
Yes.
Okay. What was her response to that?
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I, I don't remember. I don't recall. As I said, I said it in jest. I don't you
know I'm saying it in passing.
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Did, did Officer um or I'm sorry. Did you ever tell Officer
had actually injured your hand in the first place?
I don't recall, but I might have.
how you
Okay. Would it su.rprise you if I said that she did not recall you ever
telling her that you'd injured your hand camping?
It would surprise me.
CLINE: Okay.
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Now did you call Officer- on the phone after the camping trip?
Yes, before uh before returning to work.
Okay. Did you at any time during that conversation tell him you were
going to claim the injury to your thumb had occurred during DT training
on July 13th?
I think we already answered that question. Uh in jest, we joked about it,
but I never told him I was actually gonna do it_
Okay. Now did you go on a subsequent camping trip with Officer uh
-following the uh initial camping trip where you were injur, you
injured your thumb and after the L&l or I'm sorry after the uh Defensive
Tactics training?
Are you saying did I go camping with him after. ..
(Cline interjects) Right, after the Defensive Tactics training?
Yes.
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Did you have any conversation about your injury at that time with him?
I don't recall having any conversation about it at all (Cline interjects with
"Okay") at that camping trip.
At, when you came back to work did, did you mention anything to a
supervisor about your thumb when you came back to work or?
The day after Defensive Tactics I talked to ...
(Cline interjects) No I mean prior to that. When you injured your hand
urn camping ...
Right.
Uh when you came back to work uh ...
That was the first day back to work and that was ...
(Cline interjects) Okay that was your first day back to work?
That was the defensive tactics (Cline interjects with "Okay") day, yeah Ju
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Who, who did you notify?
Um, no I didn't tell anybody about my thumb being hurt at camping when
I came back.
No, no I meant when you came back to work. The first day back to work
after you came back from camping, after you came back from the
training, the Defensive Tactics training?
Oh, okay. So training was on the 13th, my first day back was on the 14th.
CLINE: Yes.
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Um, the day that it happened on the 13th was, we, the training was 2:30
to 4:30. Uh Officer was Officer In Charge and she left early that
day. Urn, just like any other injury I was gonna see how well it went and
see if I could continue with my duties.
Mmm hmm.
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Urn, when I came in the next morning I told her about it and I told her
you know I don't know if lean man, manipulate my holster. She said go
check it out because that's going to be the make or break whether you
can work today or not. So I went upstairs and I tried to manipulate the
holster and I couldn't get the, as I'm showing you, I couldn't get this half
way down.
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And did you tell her how you injured your hand?
Yeah, I told her it was because of DT.
Did you make any mention to her whatsoever that you had injured your
thumb prior to that in ( interjects with "No") camping?
No.
Why would you nofhave told her that?
Well, the injury at camping it was one of those things I mean I work every
day with pain. I mean, if, if I, I, my daughter plays softball and I help
coach sometimes. If I get hit in the shin with a, a softball I'm not gonna
go run to my supervisor and say hey I got hit in the shin it hurts. Um, I, I
deal with it. I've become accustomed to dealing with pain throughout
work. But when I got, uh when I exasperated it through DT by getting it
stuck between the holster and, and Officer hip, where he could
let go and it was still stuck um that was what exasperated it to the point
where I couldn't use it. I, I probably should have told her about the
camping part.
Well wasn't that the original reason the hand was injured?
It was hurt, yes.
And then it, you were claiming it was reinjured during the Defensive
Tactics training, but don't you feel it would have been appropriate to say
that it was an injury I got while I was off duty camping and then when 1. ..
interjects) In hindsight.
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... went to Defensive Tactics training it was reinjured?
Yes, in hindsight that's probably what I should have done.
Okay, did you do that?
I did not.
Okay. Do you think that it, it might, when you were um, uh going in for
treatment and you're telling uh whoever was giving you treatment why
or how you injured your hand, do you think it would have been beneficial
for them to know how the initial injury happened?
Well they never asked. I mean, they, I did tell them about my, my wrist
being operated on and they didn't put that on the form either.
Did you tell them that you injured your hand during Defensive Tactics
training?
I did.
Then why wouldn't you tell them that you'd injured it a day before falling
down and hurting it?
Mmm don't know. I, I don't know.
Do you think that's something ( interjects with "It's prob") that
would have been important to tell them?
Probably should have told them, yes.
Okay. Did you tell any of the personnel who were giving you medical
treatment that you injured your hand prior to that, camping?
No.
When you filled out your Officer's uh or when the Officer's uh
Supervisor's Report of Injury and the City's incident report were filled out
as well as the L&l forms, did you make any mention that your hand was
injured prior in the camping trip?
No.
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Did you mention that it was injured, injured during Defensive Tactics
training?
Yes.
Okay. Looking back on that, do you think that's appropriate or that's
right?
No. Probably, I mean obviously I'm sitting here now l probably should
have disclosed it, yeah.
CLINE: Okay.
I mean, I, I, like I said when I got injured the first time, when I got hurt
camping, it was pain. I could deal with it. It, it was, it was manageable.
probably should have sat out in DT. But I, being the way I am and, and,
and, I mean aside from getting hit by a car or you know qreaking my wrist
at another job, I've never been on L&l before. And I come in with pain all
the time.
CLINE: Okay.
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So it's not, my intent was not to soak the system so to, you know and,
and, and, and that term soak the system meaning get hurt outside, come
in and, and use L&l. I was gonna work through it. Through the pain and
everything. And then when I had the incident actually happen I know it
looks bad because of what I said, um joking and, and you know it was a
poor choice of words obviously, um and then when it really happened I
thought that I could get through training without it happening. Cuz I've
been through some of the scenarios and tactics in DT before this
happened and I thought okay I'm good to go. And then we did that one
technique from the back where my thumb got stuck between the holster
and the belt and I, it ha, he turned so quick I couldn't tell him whoa hold
on, wait. So I mean that exacerbated it more where I couldn't use it
(Cline interjects with "But"). But I understand what you're saying.
Yeah but didn't you just tell me though that the reason you went with
Officer-was because he wouldn't go fast and because he knew
your thumb was injured?
He, he wouldn't grab onto it and hold onto it. But this got stuck between
the holster and the belt, where he had no control. I mean (Cline
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interjects with "Okay") I, I if I pulled it would have pulled my thumb
anyway so.
Weill know you said it wasn't that big a deal when you came in that you
felt you could do the training. Does it, does it seem a little unusual that
Officer in a conversation with you would look down at you and,
and recognize that your hand was injured if it wasn't injured very badly?
( interjects with "Mmm") If she and she would specifically ask
( interjects with "It") you what did you do to your thumb?
I don't think without me showing both ofthem together she would have
noticed that this one was swollen compared to that one.
But she did.
I, I don't know how she could have seen that without me putting them
together.
Okay. Um ...
Did you put 'em together?
I did. As far as, what I can remember I did. I can't (Cline interjects with
"Okay") rem, I, ! ... Trying to think back to that traffic stop there's nothing
at that traffic stop that makes me think she would look down and say
holy you're thumb is huge. Cuz ...
(Cline interjects) And are, are you talking about the uh the traffic
collision?
The, I'm sorry the collision, yeah.
Right, okay.
Cuz my thumb was not that big. Honestly it wasn't that big. It was
already coming down. It was already, so I mean I can't imagine her just
looking at my thumb saying wow it's huge, I, I don't, I don't find that
plausible.
Did she ask you what was wrong with it?
She must have, I mean I, I (Cline interjects with "Well") I would have told
her what happened if she ...
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Well, okay I'm, I'm guessing if she asked you how, how it got injured theh
she obviously did notice it was injured, correct?
I'm, I'm assuming (Cline interjects with "Okay") that I put them together
to show her, look at that.
CLINE: Okay.
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Commander Cline?
Yes?
Can I ask a clarity question?
Um, can you hold it 'till after the end there? I'd appreciate (Sjolin
interjects with "It's") it.
Okay.
Thank you. Uh, did you have e'nough,- did you have enough leave
time ava_ilable to be on sick leave for the sixty hours that you were gone
as a result of the injury to your thumb?
Uh when I looked at my leave balance now no I didn't.
How much, how much time, leave time did you have in your sick leave?
When I look at it now I, I think I'm at six.
Six hours?
Six hours, yeah.
CLINE: Okay.
I, I, that's sick leave. But (Cline interjects with "Right") Personal Leave,
which if I were to stay out they wind up taking it from Personal Leave so,
cuz I know that's happened before. Melissa says hey you don't have
enough sick leave we're gonna take it out of PL. I had enough to cover
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Okay. Did you know that the leave time that you took as a result of the
job injury was going to require the Police Department to call in officers on
overtime to cover for your absence?
No.
Okay. -do you feel that you were totally truthful in this matter?
Yes. I, I, 1...
{Cline interjects) Do you feel, do you feel that even by omission, by not
telling people how the injury initially occurred that in some way that
might have been less than truthful?
Potentially, but that wasn't my intent. Um, I, I've never given the
department here or my previous department any reason to question my
integrity and I understand how it looks. I've worked for you as, when you
were my Sergeant. I mean you know me, when do you ever see me
without a smile on my face? I'm, I'm a, a jovial person. I, I'm, I'm a
prankster. You know, I'm the type of guy that's gonna put ketchup on a
sanitary napkin and put it on somebody's locker. I mean I'm a jokester
like that so, that's my character. It's out of character for me to try to get
one over on the man or try to claim something that, that it isn't. That's
not in my character.
Commander Cline and Officer talk over each other.
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But you do understand how it could look when ...
I, I, I do know how it looks, yes .
... when we discuss things like you know I didn't have enough sick leave, I,
I didn't tell anybody how I injured it, do you, do you think that ...
interjects) I, I know it looks bad. I know it looks bad .
... that, that that, that might make somebody think you were (
interjects with "I") concealing something?
I, I know that it would make it look that way and I know it looks bad. But
that was not my intent and it, there was no premeditation whatsoever.
Even though we joked about it, and that's why I said you know it's poorly
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chosen words. And in retrospect, you know I jinxed myself. Cuz I didn't
plan to get hurt. And I didn't plan to, to claim L&l. I planned to continue
working through the pain.
Okay. Did you discuss with Sergeant Sjolin uh about this incident um and
how you'd injured your thumb?
Prior to coming here, yes.
Okay. And when you initially spoke to him, is the information you just
gave me the same as what ...
interjects) Yes .
... what you told him at that time?
To the best of my recollection, yes.
Have you discussed this incident with Officer- since July 13th and if
so what was that discussion?
Uh ...
(Cline interjects) Other than what you've told me already?
No.
Okay. Have you discussed this incident with anyone else?
No, just Sergeant Sjolin.
Okay. When did you return to full duty?
It was the last rotation ... the 25th.
Okay. Now that would mean you were off I, I believe about sixty hours of
leave time?
Yeah, about there, yes.
And that was all claimed under job injury ...
interjects) Yes.
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... leave, correct?
Yes.
Okay. -that's alii have at this time un, unless I have any other thing
that I, I need to call you back for, for any other questions for clarification.
At this time I want to give you an opportunity uh to tell me if there's
anything about this incident and your involvement um that you would
like me to know that I have not covered in this.
If my intent was to actually claim a non-work related injury under L&l, I
wouldn't have told a soul. I would have kept it to myself, I would have
went to training and I would let it take its course. That right there shows
that I did not have the intent to do that. The joking part of it is my
character, I joke about it. That's part of the culture from where I come
from. I would not jeopardize, I'm the only one who works in my family.
wouldn't jeopardize my job. I stand to lose about two million, two million
dollars from now until the time I retire atthis job, and I wouldn't risk that
for a few sixty hours off that I didn't need to take off. Um, and I would
not jeopardize friends' jobs by, by bringing them into this. So, I know it
looks bad. I know that the gravity of the situation is very high. I know
that if an outside person were to have heard me say something like that, I
would've been putting the department in a bad light. That I understand
was wrong.
Okay, and you, you do admit that you made the statements to Officer
land Officer- about filing this as an, a Jl injury but you were
not serious, you were joking ...
interjects) Correct .
... is that correct what you're saying?
Correct, absolutely.
But you did make those statements?
I did.
Okay .. Anything else-
Can I confer with Sergeant Sjolin outside real quick before 1...
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(Cline interjects) Sure. Um, tell you what ...
(Sjolin interjects) And can, can I put one the tape just to clarify a
question?
: interjects) Or do you want to ...
Well hang on let me, let me, let me just check first and then, and we'll
discuss it and then we can (Sjolin interjects with "Sure") (inaudible). I'm
gonna begoing offthe tape here, or off the recording. Uh the time is
2:33. Alright the time is 2:37. This is Commander Cline, uh Officer
asked for a few moments to confer with his Guild representative
prior to making his final statement. Um-we had talked about
clarification on one of the issues. You said that um when Officer-
saw your injured right thunib that there had been something else in your
opinion that brought her attention to that. What was that?
Actually it was that that, that started the whole scenario, from my
recollection is I had surgery on both arms. Um, I had three masses taken
out of each arm and I had stitches and then the right arm uh one of them
bruised really bad and it covered pretty much the majority of my inner
bicep and my tricep.
What, can I ask real quick, when was that injury to that arm and when
was it (inaudible)?
Uh, for the surgery?
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1 believe it was on the 10th_ I, I got a new phone so I'd have to check my
old phone cuz I had ...
(Cline interjects) The 10th of July, 2012?
I believe so, yeah.
Okay so within a few days of when you contacted O f f i c e ~
That's correct.
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Yes. So I still had stitches in there and, and it was all bruised. And that
brought it to her attention. She goes dude, what did you do? And then
that's when I started getting jovial and joking with her and saying oh you
know I got shot and stupid stuff like that. And then I said yeah check out
my thumb. And) put the two thumbs together and that's gotta be where
she saw that the thumb was a little bit swollen. Cuz otherwise 1. ..
She didn't specifically ask you what happened to your thumb?
I don't recall that because it wasn't, like I said, it wasn't that bad. I mean
it's probably only just a little bit bigger than what it is now and that's not
that bad.
CLINE: Okay.
Um, the other thing I wanted to do was say that uh ... l wanted to appeal
to as, as a former supervisor of mine knowing my character that if it
comes down to it, I'm not going to jeopardize my job or anybody else's
job on, on not telling the truth because integrity is, is paramount in the
foundation of being a police officer. So I'm not gonna come in here and
lie to you. I know how bad it looks. But I would hope that when it comes
down for you to give a recommendation to the Chief, verbal or
otherwise, that you would also fall back on my character as a person,
never having had my fntegrity brought into question before um and that
when I did go to training and I contacted uh Officer to go to
training, the reason why I did that was because I knew he knew about my
injury. He would take it easy so that I wouldn't exacerbate this. And it
was an equipment issue, it wasn't him. It was nobody's fault that it got
stuck. Had that not of got, happened, had it not gotten stuck we
wouldn't be here. Um, the other thing is I want to reiterate is that I told
Officer uh at the beginning of DT as I walked in to drop my
gear, hey just to let you know I hurt my thumb. And, to, to the best of my
recollection his only reaction was oh, okay, cuz then he was ready to pat
me down and okay let's go. Cuz where we're from we deal with pain.
We, that's just how we are. Uh right before the first scenario when they
put us under their hood I told the same thing. I said hey listen,
I hurt thumb. He asked me so are you not gonna do the scenarios? I said
no, I'm gonna man up, I'm gonna do 'em, let's go for it, you know? Um,
after coming out from under the hood in that first scenario I had to
manipulate, manipulate niy holster and get the gun out to uh engage
Officer Hassinger who was a role player. I did that fine, no problem. It
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wasn't until after the incident where my thumb got exacerbated that I
couldn't manipulate the holster. Urn ...
Can I ask you a question on the part about where you said your, your
thumb was injured. When you injured your thumb and you removed, I
believe you were wearing gloves at the time, is that correct?
I know we had gloves on. I'm trying to remember if I had gloves on
during that scenario. I think I did.
And when the gloves are removed um Officer -said that when you
removed the glove he could notice that your thumb was noticeably
swollen. Um, again, uh noticing that your thumb was swollen um do you
think that that swelling would have occurred within five seconds after
you.injured it during DT?
interjects) Well it was, it was already a little bit swollen from the
injury, the, the (Cline interjects with "Okay") previous injury um but I
don't know how much it swelled from the time that it injured to the time
I took off the glove so !. .. (inaudible).
Have you discussed uh Officer interview with him?
No.
Did he bring anything up to you about it?
No. My understanding is uh from other officers he's under a gag order,
so.
Did you uh, or are you aware uh, would you be surprised if I told that uh
Officer-had told me that he does not now believe that he injured
your thumb during Defensive Tactics training?
It well, I mean the gear did but it would, it would surprise me if he said
yeah I didn't do it, yeah.
Did he say he did it at the time?. Injured it at the time?
Weill, he said sorry. I mean we're, we're working together and then it
get's injured and he's like oh you okay, sorry. So I mean to me that's
almost, that's like an admission that you know he's a party to it so.
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CLINE: Okay.
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Party to the injury.
Alright. That's gonna conclude the interview and the time is now 2:43
p.m.
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Interview Questions
Interviewer: Commander Paul Cline
Officer: Officer
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Date: t __.- ::> .-- l r_.,... Time: / 0 lP
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Interview is being recorded. Please give clear, verbal answers.
Read, "Accused Officer Admonition".
1. Please state your name and employment.
2. Are you aware of why I am interviewing you?
3. Do you recall the incident we are here to discuss that occurred on July 13, 2012 at approx.
1600?
...._, 4. Were you working on July 13, 2012 and if so what was your assignment?
'- 5. Did you attend Defensive Tactics training on July 13, 201 at 1430 hours
'- 6. Did Officer-attend that same training with you?
'- 7. How ahd when did you injure your right thumb?
- 8. Was Officer-with you when you injured your thumb?
9. Did you tell him about it?
- 10. In the days after you injured your thumb camping and before you attended DT training on
the 13th did you call Officer-
- 11. Did you tell officer- that you were going to report that your right thumb injury
occurred during the defensive tactics training on July 13th? What did you tell him?
- 12. What did he say when you told him that?
'-...y 13. Did you report to the DT instructors that you injured your thumb during the DT training?
\j 14. Was that true?
'v 15. Who did you tell?
'y 16. What did they do?
'v 17. Did any of the DT instructors know you had injured your thumb off duty while camping with
Officer- prior to attending DT training on July 13th.
18. Were any of the DT instructors aware that you were going to claim the injury as occurring on
duty prior to you doing so? Had you discussed what you were intending to do with them or
\ anyone else besides Officer-
, 19. Did you tell anyone else that you were injured off-duty?
20. Did you contact Officer- a traffic collision scene on July 13 at about 1300?
21. Did you have a conversation with her?
22. Did she notice your thumb was injured and swollen?
"' 23. Did you tell her you were going to claim it was injured during the DT class you were going to
attend later that day?
~ 24. What was her response to that?
""'- 25. Did you know that what Officer- and you were doing was wrong and a violation of
Renton Police General Orders?
\. 26. Did you call officer -on the phone after the camping trip and tell him you were going
to claim the injury to your thumb had occurred during DT training on July 13th?
\ 27. Who's idea was it to report that your injury occurred on duty at the DT training?
...--- 28. Why did you do it?
' 29. Did you discuss the fact that you had claimed the injury to your thumb occurred during DT
training and that you had filed an L&llnjury claim with officer-on a subsequent
camping trip you took with him following your attendance at the DT training?
-..... 30. Do you know what the appropriate thing to do was after you injured your thumb?
~ 31. Did you complete and sign the Supervisors Injury Report and the City of Renton Incident
Report that detailed your injury as occurring at DT training on July 13, 2012?
\ 32. Was that a lie?
\ 33. Did you initial the L&l SIF-2 form affir\ing that the statements on the form were true to the
best of your knowledge and belief?
\ 34. Was that true?
\ 35. Did you have enough available leave time to be off on.sick leave for the 60 hours you were
gone as a result of the injury to your thumb?
'- 36. Did you know that the leave time that you took as Jl would require the Police Department to
call in officers on overtime to cover for your absence?
37. Did you have a discussion with Sergeant Sjolin about this incident and how you injured your
thumb?
38. What did you tell him?
39. Have you discussed this incident with Officer- since July 13
1
h? What was that
discussion?
40. Have you discussed the incident with anyone else?
41. What was discussed in those conversations?
42. Do you know that what you did by reporting the injury to your thumb as being an on-duty
injury was wrong and a violation of department General Orders?
'- 43. When and how did you return to full duty?
44. Is there anything else you would like to tell me about this incident and your involvement in
it prior to my ending this interview?
Date and time interview was concluded.
RENTON POLICE DEPARTMENT
INTERNAL AFFAIRS
ACCUSED OFFICER ADMONITION
C0-12-08
COMPLAJNT NUMBER
Today's date is August 8, 2012 at __ O_J_L. _0_3_ ____ hours. I am
Commander Paul Cline interviewing Officer regarding a
complaint of violation of Renton Police Department GO's
26.1.1.11.B Unbecoming conduct
26.l.l.ll.G Fictitious illness or injury report
26.l.l.ll.TT Truthfulness
which is alleged to have occurred on July 13, 2012 at approximately 1600 hours.
Officer- do you understand that this conversation is being tape recorded?
(Answer) \/ f; S
Officer-, do you wish to have a Guild representative present during this
interview? No) Let the record reflect that
tJ - "\...:U.,... present. Please acknowledge your
pres by stating your name. #
Prior to were you given the opportunity to read the complaint of this
incident? No)
given an opportunity to consult with your representative prior to this interview?

Officer- I wish to advise you that you are being questioned as part of an official
investigation of the Renton Police Department. You will be asked questions specifically
directed and narrowly related to the performance of your official duties or fitness for
office.
You are reminded that section 26.1 "Insubordination" and "Truthfulness" of the Renton
Police Department General Orders do apply in this matter and that you must truthfully
respond. Any refusal to respond may result in disciplinary action as outlined in general
Order No. 26.1
You are entitled to all the rights and privileges guaranteed by law and the Constitution of
the United States, including the right not to be compelled to incriminate yourself.
I further wish to advise you that if you refuse to testify or answer questions relating to the
performance of your official duties or fitness for duty, you will be subject to departmental
charges which could result in your dismissal from the Renton Police Department.
If you do answer, neither your statements nor any information or evidence which is
gained by reason of such statements can be used against you in any subsequent criminal
proceeding. However, these statements may be used against you in relation to subsequent
departmental charges.
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