QUESTIONS

GREG BEDNARZ AND JACK SHAW

OCOTBER 9,2003

Background of each.

Areas to discuss.

Roles and responsibilities via organizational charts.

Understand the difference b/w the field and hdqtrs and who got what information

Role of the NSU Unit.

Role of intelligence.

Role of the Lookout Unit. fri-trcj /6iff-/- -

Role of counsel's office in special interest cases.

Headquarters Operations Center.

Headuarters Intelligence Division.

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Policy priorities of the '90s.
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What budget resources ever went to CT?

Response to CT events of the 1990s. Subsequent to the events discussed below, were
any analyses, strategies, or resource allocations put aside or sought?

How did INS respond to WTC '93?

To PDD-39 in '95?

The conspiracy to bomb NYC landmarks in '95?

The Brooklyn Bomb Plot of '97?

To the Africa bombings of '98?

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At what point did the INS become aware that CT was within the jurisdiction of
the INS and a necessary function of the INS?

Counterterrorism policy.

a. Within INS

Who was tasked with CT policy . Li***-

Who was tasked with CT operations.

To what extent did hdqtrs know of CT operations ongoing?

Who ever briefed the commissioner on CT policy, programs or operations?

Were you aware of UBL as a threat? Did anyone see UBL as a threat and that the
INS had a role to play on the borders and in internal enforcement b/c of INS exclusive
Title 8 authority?

b. Outside INS

Who did Commissioner and Deputy answer to on a day to day basis?

Was DOJ supportive of INS in CT? Ever discuss CT with INS?

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Any interest of FBI other than involvement in JTTFs and FBI Hdqtrs detailees?

The CIA? DIA?

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Thomas H. Kean October 7, 2003
CHAIR

Lee H. Hamilton
VICE CHAIR Mr. Jack Shaw
Richard Ben-Veniste 12701 Silver Birch Lane
Laurel, MD 20708
Max Cleland

Frederick F. Fielding
Dear Mr. Shaw.

Jamie S. Gorelick The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States is
directed by statute to investigate the facts and circumstances surrounding the
Slade Gorton
September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, including the nation's preparedness for,
John F. Lehman and immediate response to, those attacks, as well as to evaluate the lessons
learned from those attacks and to make recommendations for preventing future
Timothy J. Roemer
attacks. As part of its investigation, the Commission hereby requests to
James R. Thompson interview you on issues relating to policy, budget, leadership and resource
issues regarding internal enforcement of the INS prior to September 11, 2001.
Philip D. Zelikow
The Commission anticipates that classified information may be discussed at this
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR interview. We would also like to discuss your views on the future of
immigration and border control policy since September 11 to combat terrorism.

Janice Kephart-Roberts, a member of the Commission's professional staff, will

make the arrangements for your interview. The Commission would like to
conduct your interview at our office located at 301 7th Street, SW, Room 5125,
Washington, D.C. on Thursday, October 9 at 2:00 p.m. At least two members
of the Commission's staff will attend your interview, and the general policy of
the Commission is to tape record interviews. Please call Joanne Accolla at
202.401.1774 as soon as possible to confirm these arrangements and discuss the
time and location of your interview. Please call Janice Kephart-Roberts at
202.401.1705 to raise any other questions you may have.

Thank you very much in advance for your time and for your cooperation with
the Commission and its staff in this important matter.
Yours sincerely,

Philip Zelikow
Executive Director

301 7* Street SW, Room 5125

Washington, DC 20407
T 202.331.4060 F 202.296.5545
www.9-11 commission.gov
Thomas H. Kean October 7,2003
CHAIR

Lee H. Hamilton
VICE CHAIR Mr. Greg Bednarz
Richard Ben-Veniste 9/11 Personal Privacy

Max Cleland
Dear Mr. Bednarz:
Frederick F. Fielding

Jamie S. Gorelick The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States is
directed by statute to investigate the facts and circumstances surrounding the
Slade Gorton September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, including the nation's preparedness for,
John F. Lehman and immediate response to, those attacks, as well as to evaluate the lessons
learned from those attacks and to make recommendations for preventing future
Timothy]. Roemer attacks. As part of its investigation, the Commission hereby requests to
James R. Thompson interview you on issues relating to policy, budget, leadership and resource
issues regarding internal enforcement of the INS prior to September 11,2001.
The Commission anticipates that classified information maybe discussed at this
Philip D. Zelikow
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR interview. We would also like to discuss your views on the future of
immigration and border control policy since September 11 to combat terrorism.

Janice Kephart-Roberts, a member of the Commission's professional staff, will

make the arrangements for your interview. The Commission would like to
conduct your interview at our office located at 301 7th Street, SW, Room 5125,
Washington, D.C. on Thursday, October 9 at 2:00 p.m. At least two members
of the Commission's staff will attend your interview, and the general policy of
the Commission is to tape record interviews. Please call Joanne Accolla at
202.401.1774 as soon as possible to confirm these arrangements and discuss the
time and location of your interview. Please call Janice Kephart-Roberts at
202.401.1705 to raise any other questions you may have.

Thank you very much in advance for your time and for your cooperation with
the Commission and its staff in this important matter.
Yours sincerely,

Philip Zelikow
Executive Director

301 7lh Street SW, Room 5125

Washington, DC 20407
T 202.331.4060 F 202.296.5545
www.9-1 lcommission.gov
Joanne Accolla
From: sdunne@9-11commission.gov
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 3:32 PM
To: team5@9-11commission.gov; dcampagna@9-11commission.gov
Subject: Fwd: former INS interviewees

DHS-G.Bednarz.doc DHS-J.Shaw.doc
(30 KB) (30 KB)
These letters are approved.

Forwarded message from Janice Kephart-Roberts <jkephart-roberts@9- llcommission.gov>

Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:03:07 -0400

From: Janice Kephart-Roberts <jkephart-roberts@9-llcommission.gov>
Reply-To: Janice Kephart-Roberts <jkephart-roberts@9-llcommission.gov>
Subject: former INS interviewees
To: "" <sdunne@9-llcommission.gov>, "" <ckojm@9-llcommission.gov>

Steve,

The two interview letters attached are for two former INS officials who ran internal
enforcement at INS during the 1990s and up to Sept. 11. I'm told they have thirty years
INS experience between them.

Both contacted me seeking to be interviewed. Both are available this week and I'd like to
interview them prior to my (and Tom's) interview in NYC on Friday of a former acting
commissioner, Mary Anne Wyrsch. If we could expedite these letters, that would be great.

Thanks.

Janice Kephart-Roberts

National Commission on Terrorist

Attacks Upon the United States

301 7th Street, SW, Room 5125

Washington, DC 20407

Tel.: 202.401.1705

Fax: 202.358.3124

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