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05-17-2010 02:12#1

Ernie View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Aug 2009Location Midwest USAPosts 185 How to lighten the trigger pull on a carbine?

I am working to set up a carbine for CMP match shooting. The one I have that I would like to get working has an extremely heavy trigger. Is there a way to

lighten it up to around the 4.5 to 5 pound area? Presently it has a new hammer spring but not sure what the sear is without taking it down. Is there a combination of trigger/sear that would produce better results (like use M2 sear versus M1 etc). Would shortening the hammer spring help? Anyone who has worked up a trigger and has some advise please let me know. Many thanks, Ernie Reply With Quote

05-17-2010 02:57#2

Tired Retired View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Member Join Date Aug 2009Location Fort Worth, TexasPosts 65

Just a few quickies about what I would do... I would use a USGI hammer spring, not a commercial spring. Wolfs are really strong and increase the trigger pull requirement. I would also use a M-2 New-off-shelf (never issued) USGI sear along with a new USGI sear spring. Then I would check the hammer notch since wear in the lip will make it feel "mushy". Those are all little things that you can do without grinding, polishing, etc. Per TM9-1276 "...Trigger pull should be clean, without creep, smooth in action; and the force exerted to release hammer should be more than 4 pounds and less than 7 pounds. If pull is rough, or not within specified limits, or creep is present, it indicates that there is wear or burrs on sear nose, hammer notch, or top of trigger lip, or interference between trigger and housing." Based on what you stated, 4 1/2 to 5 pound trigger is to spec so you may have to go to a gunsmith if you want lighter. Plus are there requirements/limits in the matches you are shooting? Reply With Quote

05-17-2010 04:56#3

SMGTPA67 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Member Join Date Jan 2010Location Fla.Posts 72

you can also try a few different hammer sear combinations, as in swapping those two items out until you have the desired trigger pull you'll have to find someone that was a bunch of both items unless you a bunch on hand yourself Reply With Quote

05-17-2010 07:24#4

Gus Fisher View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Aug 2009Location Richmond, VirginiaPosts 1,470

A couple years ago at Camp Perry, there were a plethora of Carbines that had malfunctions due to unwise stoning/grinding of hammers or sears in the CMP Carbine Match. There is no easy way to reduce the trigger pull on a Carbine other than to swap parts from a trigger group that already has a good trigger pull. The sear to sear engagement surface is extremely close to that of a black powder military musket tumbler and sear. HOWEVER, we are not allowed to do the

same kind honest, I full auto mentioned

of work on M1 Carbines we have done on those muskets and to be agree with that. A black powder musket won't double, triple or go if you screw up the trigger pull adjustment - as happened and above.

To stay in the rules for a CMP Carbine Match, you really can't do anything other than swap parts as mentioned in previous posts. Reply With Quote

05-17-2010 07:40#5

Gus Fisher View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Aug 2009Location Richmond, VirginiaPosts 1,470

P.S. A trigger job on a Garand is not something an untrained amateur should try and a trigger job on a Carbine is actually more complicated. Reply With Quote

05-17-2010 10:39#6

Johnny in Texas View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Mar 2010Posts 1,939

Polishing the surfaces will help use 600 stone and oil just polish don't take off a lot of metal. rifle grease the contact surfaces also. Reply With Quote

05-18-2010 11:33#7

Tuna View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Aug 2009Posts 1,323

Several parts were redesigned during carbine production that helped ease the trigger pull on the carbine. The type 3 hammer and the type 2 trigger both helped to make the trigger pull lighter with the type 2 trigger improving it the most. To get the best accuracy from a carbine be sure to use the type 3 recoil plate and to be sure the action is fully seated in the plate. If done properly the barrel should be hanging above the channal of the stock between an 1/8 and a 1/4 of an inch or so. Reply With Quote

05-18-2010 12:32#8

Ernie View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Aug 2009Location Midwest USAPosts 185

Thanks much for the thoughtful replies. I will try to swap around the few parts I have and see if I can get any improvement. Many thanks for the suggestions. Ernie Reply With Quote

05-18-2010 02:44#9

BrianQ View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member Join Date Aug 2009Posts 210

The type II trigger and new sear, sear spring design didn't improve the trigger pull, but they did eliminate other issues with trigger Operation. It was the redesigned hammer and 26 1/2 coil hammer spring Inland came up with that successfully lightened trigger pull. The test report recommended the replacement of the sear, sear spring, trigger, hammer spring and hammer with the newly designed components to reduce trigger pull and the other associated trigger operation issues. Reply With Quote

05-19-2010 03:15#10

M1Riflenut View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Member

Join Date Aug 2009Location The Granite State- Live Free Or DiePosts 1,846

One other thing I've found that helps with trigger pull really has nothing to do with the trigger itself but instead the fit of the entire assembly into the receiver. If its loose and sloppy you'll feel it when trying to shoot for accuracy. Make it tight so it does'nt move. You can peen the rear lug on the trigger housing to get it tight to the receiver and up front use a new pin and if the pin fit is still loose put a dab of epoxy on it and in the holes,wipe off the excess and let it set up. I collect expensive hobbies. Reply With Quote

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