--- On Wed, 8/26/09, Anthony Marr <anthony_marr@yahoo.

com> wrote:

From: Anthony Marr <anthony_marr@yahoo.com>

Subject: To Camille: My 10-point email to Francione and his reply
To: camille@negotiationisover.com
Cc: anthony-marr@hope-care.org, sbest1@elp.rr.com
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 2:24 PM

Camille,

Here is my 10-point letter and Francione's response to it.

Anthony

=================================================

Dear sir,

When I mentioned CCing or BCCing to friends, I was speaking it as a matter of

principle, and as a possibility. Did I in fact do it? No, with but one
exception. I did BCC it to my friend Dominique, who is a very discrete and
trustworthy person, who has committed to keeping the matter to herself. The only
difference is that she did not participate in the discussion and was not
considered to be a part of the show, otherwise she is no different from Adam and
Bob. Let me point out that you have let 2 persons (Adam and Bob) in on this, and
I have only let one person (Dominique) in, so you beat me on this score. Anyhow,
directly or indirectly, Ms. Marino did NOT hear it from me. Please make this
point very clear to yourself.

Anthony Marr
Animal Voices

--- On Wed, 8/26/09, Gary L. Francione <gfrancione@earthlink.net> wrote:

From: Gary L. Francione <gfrancione@earthlink.net>

Subject: Re: To Professor Francione
To: anthony-marr@hope-care.org
Cc: sbest1@elp.rr.com, "'Bob Torres'" <bob@rjtorres.net>, "'Adam Kochanowicz'"
<adam@vegpage.com>
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 12:08 PM

Dear Anthony:

I do not agree with salient parts of your narrative and the email exchanges are
clear. Please do not read my not responding to any particular point as agreement
on that point.

I do want to address one thing you say because I find it shocking. Last night,
when I saw the "Negotiation is Over" website, which contained blatant
misrepresentations of what we had discussed, I wrote to you and Best and you both
denied having provided Marino any information. You stated that you had no "direct"
contact with her and both of you claimed not to know how Marino learned of our
discussions (that she misrepresented in any event).
In this email, you acknowledge that you shared our emails or parts thereof with
others because we did not agree beforehand that they would not be shared. That is
remarkable. So that is how Marino found out. You just BCC'd various people and it
just happened to get to her and she happened to misrepresent it and you happened
to do nothing to correct her misrepresentations. That's remarkable, Anthony. For
your information, I only shared the emails with Bob and Adam and it would never
have occurred to me to BCC emails, particularly if there was any chance that they
would be misrepresented by someone. Now I understand why you said that you had no
"direct" contact with Marino. Your denial of providing this information to Marino
was, at best, disingenuous.

I am sorry you wasted your time. I never asked you to expend any. My time is quite
valuable as well and I am done wasting it with you. I will not appear on your show
because I do not trust you. Period. And this exchange has confirmed why I cannot
trust you. Please do not lecture me about honor. You really ought to be ashamed of
yourself.

I am sincerely sorry if you are upset but I have nothing more to say to you.

Best has agreed to do a Skype debate with me with no moderation "anytime,

anyplace, anyhow."

Gary Francione

Anthony Marr, founder and president

Heal Our Planet Earth (HOPE)
www.HOPE-CARE.org
www.MySpace.com/AnthonyMarr
www.YouTube.com/AnthonyMarr
www.HomoSapiensSaveYourEarth.blogspot.com
www.ARConference.org
www.AnimalVoices.org
604-222-1169

--- On Wed, 8/26/09, Anthony Marr <anthony_marr@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Anthony Marr <anthony_marr@yahoo.com>

Subject: To Professor Francione
To: gfrancione@earthlink.net
Cc: anthony-marr@hope-care.org, sbest1@elp.rr.com, "'Bob Torres'"
<bob@rjtorres.net>, "'Adam Kochanowicz'" <adam@vegpage.com>
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 10:57 AM

Dear Gary,

I have responded to your initial demand for an interview with all due respect. I
have addressed you with courtesy, honesty and I believe professionalism
throughout. The following have transpired, some involving significant time
expenditure on my part:

1. In response to your initial complaint about what Dr. Best (not me) said about
your philosophy on my show, I have designed the fairest solution for all
concerned, and extended invitations to both you and Dr. Best to hold a civil
debate on my show, so that you will have a chance to counter whatever point Dr.
Best made with which you disagree. You wrote back that you would favor debating
Dr. Best on my show than Bob's. I have confirmed my offer, which Dr. Best, Adam
Kochanowski, you, and presumably Bob Torres, have all accepted.

2. You expressed concern about me taking sides in the debate, and though I
initially expressed an interest in doing so, I have heeded your concern and
redefined myself as the host and one of the two co-moderators, as you have
required, and accepted Adam as the other co-moderator, as you have decided.

3. You wanted to have Bob come on the show as a debater, and though I thought
that he would be "on you side", I had no objection, and neither had Dr. Best.

4. We have all spent time pinning down the date (see the exhanges quoted below),
and have jointly agreed on September 18. I repeat, we have all agreed to do the
debate on my show on September 18.

5. I have spent time designing the debate format and presenting it for all to see
and critique. In this format, I have made perfectly plain that Adam and I will be
only asking questions, and the time-frame and time lines are clearly shown to have
no provision for Adam or I to interject in the debate. So, if Bob does not
participate, it would indeed be a one-on-one debate between you and Dr. Best.

6. I repeat, I have been consistently courteous and honest with you, as with
anyone I deal with, and in fact professionally respectful to you throughout our
facebook and email exchanges. I have told you that I have never contacted Camille
Marino in this matter or in fact ever. She and I are myspace friends, but neither
have the other among his/her top friends, and she and I have never exchanged a
single comment or message. She and I have never been friends on facebook up to
this point. And yet, you repeatedly and highhanded accused me (or Dr. Best) of
being a "liar". You are a law professor, sir. Do you teach your students to
accuse without evidence or proof? Have you considered that our facebook and email
communications have not been agreed upon to be secret, and that we (you included)
have every right to CC or BCC them in whole or part to some of our own friends,
who have friends of our own? Afterall, you yourself have involved others besides
Dr. Best and myself, e.g. Adam and Bob, and presumably others of whom I have no
means to be aware. What Ms. Marino does with the basic information she had
gathered from whatever source of hers is strictly up to her interpretation of it,
and she certainly did not ask for my approval about using the word "wit". (After
some strenuous searching involving both myself and my trusted friend Dominique, we
finally found Ms. Marino's comment in a blog site, and that was HOURS AFTER you
have accused me of colluding with Ms. Marino).

6. Since we have arrived at our all round agreement to do the show on Animal
Voices (again according to your own preference over Bob's) on September 18, I have
spent hours writing the announcement, respectfully using the best pictures of you
I could find on the internet, and cropping the one I decided on as nicely as the
picture allowed. The exact wording in the announcement is as follows (I have sent
it to you once before, but here it is again:

"On Friday, Sept. 18, Anthony Marr will host the first ever online debate between
two prominent animal rights philosophers/activists, who, though both vegans, hold
diametrically opposed views on the strategies and tactics of the AR/vegan
movement. One is Dr. Steve Best, professor of philosophy, U of TX @ El Paso

the other is Gary Francione, professor of philosophy and law, Rutgers U, NJ

This promises to be a SUPER HOT DEBATE between two intellectual heavy-weights.
Miss at your own loss!

I described both Dr. Best and you, without bias, as "prominent animal rights
philosophers/activists" and "intellectual heavy-weights", which I believe is
courteous and respectful to the point of being beyond my call of duty.

7. I have spent hours sending this announcement out to several thousand people,
including my more than 2000 MS friends and hundreds of personal contacts, and over
a dozen AR discussion groups.

8. I have received many responses to the annoucement, and my listeners,

colleagues and friends are poised to listen to the debate with excitement and
genuine interest.

9. I can overlook your peremptory "we don't need Marr", "we don't need Adam" and
"we don't need Bob", but it is not a matter of you needing us or not. It is a
matter of professional agreements and "gentlemen's" word of honor. In you
unilateral decision to cancel, you are now requiring me to spend hours undoing
our agreement in the public eye, and frankly, I don't have the time for it. You
may offhandedly express that my time is not worth your respect or concern, but it
is my concern, and I absolutely respect the way I use my time. If you insist on
cancelling, I will have to do it, but I have to tell you beforehand that this will
damage my professionalism in the eyes of my listeners, and will seal whatever
potential professional relationship in the future between us (after all, we are
all AR and vegan activists whose prime concern - the animals - should elevate us
from personal animosity) in negative light. My time may not be worth a dime to
you, sir, but kindly note that I have NEVER written a word against you in the
past. In fact, my own veganism and activism have not been influenced by your
philosophy in the least, so I've had no reason to spend my time writing a single
word about you in the past, period. If this is not neutral ground, I don't know
what is.

10. Other than our arrangement for this debate being a gentlemen's agreement, and
a contract based on honor, it is indeed also in writing in the thread of our
discussion presented in its entirety below, and all you have to say is "so sue
me"? Is this all there is to the law department of the illustrious Rutgers
University?

I started our correspondence from a position of impartiality, neutrality,

courtesey and due respect. If you detect a slight tinge of personal displeasure
in my last few sentences, pardon me, but after all this hassle, I'm only human.
But please grant me the credit of independence of thought, that although Dr. Best
and I have been friends for years, it does not blind or compromise me to my own
thinking, analysis and conclusion on this or any issue, and I might even agree
with you on some important points. But the totally unprofessional and hostile way
in which I have been treated by you has exceeded my tolerance somewhat. But
still, I believe, in this thread at least, I have been the one who is the
Pacifist.

For one last time, I humble ask you to honor our agreement for all concerned. I
repeat that I will not interfere with your debate against Dr. Best, except under
the following conditions:

1. Any debater (you or Dr. Best) exceeding his time allotment, and

2. Any debater engaging in flaming and personal attacks.

Otherwise, it will be strictly a one-on-one debate between Dr. Best and you, with
Adam and I serving only as co-moderators whose task is only to set the questions
and pose them within our own alloted time slots.

Please make you final decision with deliberation and care, and, please, a measure
of professional decorum.

Sincerely,

Anthony Marr

--- On Wed, 8/26/09, Gary L. Francione <gfrancione@earthlink.net> wrote:

From: Gary L. Francione <gfrancione@earthlink.net>

Subject: Re: Okay, Sept. 18 is it!
To: sbest1@elp.rr.com
Cc: anthony-marr@hope-care.org, "'Bob Torres'" <bob@rjtorres.net>, "'Adam
Kochanowicz'" <adam@vegpage.com>
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 6:03 AM

Dear Steve:

You or Marr quite clearly made misrepresentations about the discussions that I had
with Marr and these misrepresentations resulted in dishonest and astonishingly
immature attacks concerning Bob and Adam. In order to stop that silliness dead in
its tracks, I offered to debate you one-on-one without any moderator. Now you are
whining and complaining because poor Marr has done sooooooo much work to set up
the show and now you're happy to have a crowd of people participate.

What's the matter, Steve? Why are you unwilling to do a one-on-one? I even offered
to let you preset the questions. Perhaps David Langlois hit the matter on the
head.

In any event, if you think I have breached a contract with Marr or anyone else,
sue me.

If you reconsider and feel that you are able to debate with me directly, please
let me know.

Best regards,

Gary

sbest1@elp.rr.com wrote:
> Gary:
>
> This is totally uncool. The entire time our debate has been negotiated you
> have done nothing but make accusations, badger, harry, and insult. You have
> evidenced an arrogant and controlling behavior. You have now insulted
> Anthony who has been nothing but respectful to you, Bob, and Adam. You have
> broken a verbal contract with Anthony (and myself and Adam and possibly Bob)
> who has gone out of his way to be as accommodating with you and as impartial
> as possible.
> Anthony has put in hours of work organizing and advertising the
> interview/debate and will have to do hours more to explain to his listeners
> that the debate on his show at least is off because capriciously and
> suddenly -- after he sent you good faith ground rules -- you declared you
> did not want him as a moderator (implying he was corrupt, tendentious, or
> whatever else one may reasonably infer from this slap in his face) and then
> completely changed the format, leaving him high and dry and me with a forum
> I never had in mind. I must insist that we debate on his show. You can bring
> on Bob, Adam, or 10 other friends, colleagues, and followers, I don't care,
> but I assure you Tony is a professional, this will be a cordial debate (on
> my part at least), and I trust we will have plenty of time to square off and
> challenge one another. If you don't like the format, suggest one you do
> like, so long as it remains with Tony's show. We can do other debates after
> this should you want to clash again, you can challenge me on Vegan Freaks or
> any forum that favors you if you, but have the integrity to stick to what we
> agreed on, which is we do this debate on his show with him as at least one
> moderator. I take it the moderators will ask questions, but interview in
> arguments, so however biased you think he is against you, it is irrelevant
> if he is just asking questions and not engaging in the debates.
>
> Steve
>
>

-- Gary L. Francione
Distinguished Professor of Law
& Nicholas deB. Katzenbach Scholar of Law and Philosophy
Rutgers University School of Law
123 Washington Street
Newark, New Jersey 07102
Phone: 973-353-5321
Fax: 973-353-1445
http://law.newark.rutgers.edu/our-faculty/faculty-profiles/gary-l-francione
http://www.abolitionistapproach.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary L. Francione [mailto:gfrancione@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:18 PM
To: sbest1@elp.rr.com
Cc: anthony-marr@hope-care.org; 'Bob Torres'; 'Adam Kochanowicz'
Subject: Re: Okay, Sept. 18 is it!

Steve:

If you are going to tell me that neither you nor Marr talked with
Marino, then you are lying. If you are saying that Marino is accurately
representing the discussions I had with Marr, then you are delusional.

But let's not get mired in details, Steve. Really. We don't need Marr.
We don't need Adam. I thought it would be terrific to have Bob Torres
because he disagrees with both of us. But we don't need Bob.

Just you and me and Skype.

We'll do fine together. I am sure of it.

Gary

sbest1@elp.rr.com wrote:
> Anyone but? I don't know Gary, I am not Camille's watcher, and from what I
> hear lots of your followers are talking this up quite a bit (not saying
very
> nice or true things on their own, I might add), and seem to have their own
> information line. You need to take this up with Camille.
>
> Steve Best
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary L. Francione [mailto:gfrancione@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:56 PM
> To: sbest1@elp.rr.com
> Cc: anthony-marr@hope-care.org; Bob Torres; Adam Kochanowicz
> Subject: Re: Okay, Sept. 18 is it!
>
> Dear Friends:
>
> I see that Camille Marino is making a number of false assertions
> concerning our upcoming discussion. And she could not have gotten this
> mis-information from anyone but Anthony or Steve.
>
> How very unfortunate.
>
> Gary Francione
>
> sbest1@elp.rr.com wrote:
>
>> Works for me
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Anthony Marr [mailto:anthony_marr@yahoo.com]
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 24, 2009 1:38 PM
>> *To:* gfrancione@kinoy.rutgers.edu
>> *Subject:* Okay, Sept. 18 is it!
>>
>>
>>
>> Gary,
>>
>> Great! Let's fix it for Sept. 18.
>>
>> As soon as you have decided on the person to serve as my co-moderator,
>> please ask him to contact me so that we could set up the program (to
>> the minute).
>>
>> This will be a momentous occasion.
>>
>> Anthony
>>
>>
========================================

Following is my exchange with Gary Francione on facebook in its entirety:

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
---

Gary L. Francione

August 20 at 8:43am
Report Message
Dear Anthony:

I see that you had Steve Best as a guest on August 7 and that he criticized my
views. Are you planning to have me as a guest or is this just a one-sided show in
favor of violence?

Just curious.

Gary Francione

Anthony Marr

August 22 at 1:01pm
Hi Gary,

Dr. Best is a friend of mine, but this doesn't make me your enemy. The fact of the
matter is that I am not familiar enough with your work (excuse me) for me to form
my own opinion on it. As an "activist talkshow host", I do have and project my own
opinion. So if you will allow me some time, I will get back to you.

Sincerely,

Anthony Marr

Gary L. Francione

August 22 at 1:21pm
Report Message
Dear Anthony:

I never said anything about being an "enemy." Having had a radio show on WBAI in
NYC, and knowing a bit about how these things work, I always thought that if
people were personally attacked (as I was told that I was) on a program, it was
usual to give them an opportunity to respond.

I am wondering how you could have an informed opinion if you did not know what
Best was criticizing.

But I do thank you for your reply.

Sincerely,

Gary Francione
Anthony Marr

August 22 at 1:58pm
Hi Gary,

I agree with what you say. Why I said "allow me some time", it was so that I could
get to know your work better. I will get back to you once I feel qualified to form
an opinion on your views, and comment on them on the air. I'll be in touch.

Anthony

Gary L. Francione

August 22 at 2:01pm
Report Message
Dear Anthony:

Yes, certainly.

What I was wondering about was how you could let Best attack me without knowing
enough to know whether his attack was accurate.

But I will wait to hear from you.

Sincerely,

Gary Francione

Anthony Marr

August 22 at 3:52pm
I let my guests say their piece without censoring them. If I don't know enough on
any point, then I do not comment.

AM

Gary L. Francione

August 22 at 4:03pm
Report Message
Dear Anthony:

This is fascinating. When did I use the word or imply the concept of
"censorship."?????

When I had a show, if I knew that a guest was going to attack someone, I would
educate myself about the opponent's position and would often invite that person to
come on the show to discuss the issues. If I did not and it just came up, I always
gave the person attacked an opportunity to respond. I usually contacted them and
did not wait for them to hear about it.

But we just have different approaches to the issue. As you say, Best is your
friend. If he wants to come on and attack me, that's fine with you. And it's fine
with me. I was just curious as to your thinking and I think I understand.

But please don't accuse me of censorship. I was trying to engage you on the issue
of responsible presentation of issues.

Thanks again and be well.

GLF

Anthony Marr

August 23 at 10:26am
Dear Gary,

If you will reread my message, you will notice that at no point did I accuse you
of censorship. I just said that I myself do not practice it, meaning that whatever
a guest says gets on the air. I do not use the beep button, that's all I'm saying.
I was not even thinking about you when I made that statement, so please don't take
it personally.

When Dr. Best was on, I had no idea from one second to another what he next
sentence would be. I was not anticipating that he would be criticizing you or
anyone else, although I was not surprised either. In any case, my guest is
responsible for what he/she says, not me. So, if he criticized you, it was he who
did the criticizing, not me.

As I had said before I was already considering getting you on the air when you
wrote me your first message, and I have taken action to implement it. I have
decided to invite both you and Dr. Best on the air simultaneously, so that he and
you will have a direct discussion on whatever issue you so choose. I could just
play MC and do not have to be involved in the discussion; then my ignorance of
your work would not come into play.

I have presented the idea to Dr. Best, and he has accepted. Now I am extending
this invitation to you. If you accept, we could do it on September 11 or September
25. Please let me know your decision at your earliest convenience.

Sincerely,

Anthony

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Gary L. Francione

August 24 at 7:48am
Report Message
Dear Anthony:

After I had learned about Best attacking me on your show, I had mentioned the
matter to Bob Torres from Vegan Freaks when I had dinner with him last Thursday
and before I heard back from you on Saturday. We talked about a possible program
focusing on violence that would include Best. I had also spoken to Adam
Kochanowitz who does vegan.fm.

In any event, the bottom line is that I am always willing to have civil discussion
with anyone, including, but not limited to, Steve Best.

I do, however, have a concern about your ability to serve as a fair moderator. You
have already acknowledged that you are friends with Best. You also did not reach
out to me after Best attacked me on August 7; I had to write to you on August 20.
My concern is particularly warranted given Best's inclination to avoid civil,
adult-level discussion and to revert to ad hominem attacks.

In any event, I spoke with Bob Torres this morning and told him that I was willing
to do this on your show rather than his. He has suggested that since he differs
from Best but also disagrees with me in certain respects on this issue, that he be
included in the discussion. I assume you have no objection but that's your call.

I would also like to suggest that you have Adam as a co-moderator. There is really
too much of a risk that you'll favor Best.

But in any event, I am happy to do the debate. If you don't want to have Bob as a
participant, then I am sure he would be happy to act as a co-moderator.

As for dates, I can do September 11 but not September 25. As soon as you get back
to me, I will check with Bob and Adam. I am copying this message to them by email.

Thank you.

Gary

Anthony Marr

August 24 at 8:42am
Dear Gary,

Thank you for taking my proposal seriously. I think such an online discussion or
debate will clear up a lot of confusion, at least for me. And if in the end
serious disagreements still ensue, then so be it; I'm sure the AR movement can
accommodate internal diversity.

I can appreciate your doubt about my ability to serve as a fair moderator, and I
would welcome having Adam and/or Bob join the show.

But there is a slight tech problem to solve. My studio at this point has only 2
lines, so if only Steve and you come on, you would each take one line, with me on
the studio mic, so there would be no line available for Adam and/or Bob. However,
if you gentlemen could get together and share one line (with 3 mutual extensions),
then we could do it.

If Bob gets on as co-moderator, I will stay on as co-moderator, whereas if he

and/or Adam get(s) on as participant(s), then, to be fair to Steve, I will be a
participant.

If Bob wishes to serve as a co-moderator, I will need to coordinate with him

beforehand, to set the rule(s) of engagement as co-moderators.

I'll see if Sept. 11 will work for Steve. If so, we could do it on that day. If
not, we could do it on Sept. 18 or Oct. 2. I have people lined-up on these dates,
but I could reschedule them without too much trouble. Would either or both of
these two dates suit you? One way or another, we should fix the date today,
especially if it be set on Sept. 11.

I look forward to meeting you gentlemen online and on the air.

Anthony

Anthony Marr

August 24 at 8:58am
Sorry I got Adam and Bob mixed up, but it does matter to me which serves as the
co-moderator and which as the participant, or both as participants for that
matter.

Anthony

Anthony Marr

August 24 at 9:05am
Sorry again, typo: "...but it does NOT matter to me which serves as the co-
moderator..."

AM

Anthony Marr

August 24 at 10:47am
Dear Gary,

It seems that September 11 does not work too well for Dr. Best. Would Sept. 18 or
Oct. 2 suit you?

I think 5 people on at once would be a bit too crowded. How about 4: Dr. Best,
you, me, and either Adam or Bob? Just a thought. If both Adam and Bob want to come
on, no problem, as long as all three of you share one phone line on your end.

My own preference in format is that the debate be between you and Dr. Best. I will
serve as host and co-moderator, and either Adam or Bob will serve as the other co-
moderator. The co-moderators will each ask perhaps 3 questions, and the answers
will be timed.

As the host, I will be fair to both "sides". Each "side" will have 50% of the time
for answering questions, so the more participants on either "side", the less time
each individual participant will have.

Dr. Best contends that in the August 7 Animal Voices show, his was not an attack,
but merely a critique. In this coming debate, philosophical critiques will be
allowed, but not personal attacks. In the Big Picture, we are all vegans in
practice and principle, and differ only in strategy and tactics. We are all animal
protectors, not exploiters. And our similarity should out-weigh our differences.

I look forward to meeting you in the event.

Anthony

Gary L. Francione

August 24 at 11:07am
Report Message
Anthony:

I can do September 18 if it's early in the morning east coast time or later in the
afternoon (after 4). I cannot do Oct. 2 as I will be away. I will check with
Bob/Adam.

However Best characterizes his August 7 statements, he routinely attacks me and

that is fine with me. But please let us not get overemphasize the "we're all in
this together" thing, Anthony. As far As I recall, I have never responded to Best.
In any event, I accept your representation that this will be a civil discussion.

Gary

Anthony Marr

August 24 at 11:28am
Hi Gary,

The program is fixed at 3-4pm-ET/12-1pm-PT very Friday. So, unless you could make
it at 3-4 pm your time on Sept. 18, it won't work.

How about Oct. 9? or Oct. 16? I consider this a major debate, and would like more
time to organize and publicize it anyway.

Anthony

Gary L. Francione

August 24 at 11:50am
Report Message
Anthony:

Would you please write by email at gfrancione@kinoy.rutgers.edu in the future?

October 9 I am traveling as I am on October 16. It's a busy semester.

I could do 3-4 p.m. on 9/18.

Gary

>>
>> *From:* Anthony Marr [mailto:anthony_marr@yahoo.com]
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 24, 2009 1:38 PM
>> *To:* gfrancione@kinoy.rutgers.edu
>> *Subject:* Okay, Sept. 18 is it!
>>
>>
>>
>> Gary,
>>
>> Great! Let's fix it for Sept. 18.
>>
>> As soon as you have decided on the person to serve as my co-moderator,
>> please ask him to contact me so that we could set up the program (to
>> the minute).
>>
>> This will be a momentous occasion.
>>
>> Anthony
>>
> sbest1@elp.rr.com wrote:
>
>> Works for me
>>
>>

Anthony Marr, founder and president

Heal Our Planet Earth (HOPE)
www.HOPE-CARE.org
www.MySpace.com/AnthonyMarr
www.YouTube.com/AnthonyMarr
www.HomoSapiensSaveYourEarth.blogspot.com
www.ARConference.org
www.AnimalVoices.org
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