I am student of prof Shahram Montaser Kouhsari at Amirkabir University Of Technology (AUT) , please answer and discuss about this

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Bahram Poornazariyan Student at Amirkabir University of Technology - Tehran Polytechnic Top Contributor Which of the following mistakes or wrongs impose greater pressure on synchronous generator During magnitude synchronization of generator with network ? i) equal frequencies and phase angles of voltages (Generator and Network) but 10% difference between magnitude of voltages ii) equal frequencies and phase angles of voltages (Generator and Network) but 2% difference between frequencies iii) equal frequencies and magnitude of voltages (Generator and Network) but 30 degree difference between phase of voltages(Generator and Network)

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Alan Alan Maltz Chief Electrical Engineer, RAM Consulting Bahram, I hope that you're not submitting this as your own work, you would learn much more by analyzing the three cases using what your professor has taught you. That being said, the worst case is the 30 degree out of phase synchronization, use the power angle formula to convince yourself about how much real power will flow from the network to pull the rotor into synchronization. Voltage magnitude mismatches only result in a bump in the voltage and reactive power flow. I believe that number two should read "...equal magnitudes and phase angles...", if so then there will be a bump in the real power as the rotor is accelerated/decelerated 1 Hz very quickly. What's missing from the question is the rate at which the mismatches occur, which can have a profound effect on the results. Good luck on your exam.
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--dear bahram for get comprehensive response for your question please refer to " power generation in power plants book written by Dr. rahmat houshmand published by shahid chamran university " . good luck .
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ali ali hashemi Student at Amirkabir University of Technology - Tehran Polytechnic in an internal standard by Regional Electric Company, Iran, have been mentioned that if the mismatch of the phases is smaller than 16 degrees you are free to synchronize generator and network, then it is obvious that in the case of 30 degrees, you are not allowed to do that and has the worst effect on your synchronizing procedure.
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Behzad Behzad Moharami MS of amirkabir university of technology as Alan said your 2nd part has problem, and you should change equal frequencies with equal magnitude of voltage. and the 3rd part impose greater pressure on synchronous generator, because standard deviation of angles is 16 degree.
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Ing. Ole Ing. Ole Knudsen Experienced Electrical Engineer, looking for new challenges. In the above, Mr Alan Maltz is the one coming closest to the truth, but all replies are lacking some important considerations, especially the ones referring to "16 degrees", as some magic limit. This is a typical example of a local rule-of-thumb being applied as if it were a universally applicable rule. The only valid reply to your initial question is: "That depends...."! If you want to discuss the question seriously, you must as a minimum consider a number of areas such as: For I): What are the internal and external impedances of your generator and your network, and how will it adapt to some sudden re-distribution of reactive power: For II): What is the moment of inertia for the generator, and what is the frequency "stiffness" of the network synchronised to and what is the "moment of inertia" of the network? The network could be made up of purely non-rotating loads, supplied through a frequency converter, in which case this synchronisation presents no problems. Mr. Maltz's comment has merit, since you can not have frequencies equal, and different, at the same time. However it depends on the stored kinetic energies in the network and in the generator, together with the respective impedances, whether the frequency difference will cause pole slip, or if synchronising can be successful. For III): Again, it is a question of impedances, and in this case also on the "sturdiness" of the generator and of the prime mover and the coupling in between, if this will be the worst case, or not. The fact that some have set a limit of 16 degrees for synchronisation can not be used as an argument for anything other than some angular difference could be accepted, but it will not quantify the tolerable difference. If this is meant to be the basis for some homework, you should for each case consider all the factors that could affect an answer. Good luck.

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Bahram Bahram Poornazariyan Student at Amirkabir University of Technology - Tehran Polytechnic Top Contributor Dear all about my question , the network assumed to be slack bus with voltage = 1 pu with angle=0 degree.
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Shahram Shahram Montaser Kouhsari Professor of University. Power system at Amirkabir University of Technology Put Thevenin's equivalent of the generator and the network, then you can find out the exact answer of this past paper exam by some simple calculation.
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