5. Dd Mary stay a Vrgn whoe her fe?

Chrstans mght say that she stayed vrgn whoe her fe and t s
nsgnfcant f |oseph was an od man or not. But that s not correct, f we
read Gospe of Matthew Chapter 1 verse 25 t ceary says that |oseph had
sexua ntmacy wth Mary after |esus was born.
New Lvng Transaton Matthew 1:25
But he dd not have sexua reatons wth her unt her son was born. And
|oseph named hm |esus.
There you have t, the word of God has spoken the truth for once. The verse
says that they were not ntmate unt |esus was born. Before Mssonares
accuse me of twstng ther scrpture on Matthew 1:25, ets see what ther
own Chrstan experts have to say on the passage:
Commentares on the New Testament Matthew by Chares H. Tabert says:
"Dd Mary have sexua reatons wth |oseph after |esuss brth? Among the
earest wtnesses, Tertuan (Mar. 4.19) and Irenaeus (Haer. 3.16, 21, 22) say
yes." |12|
Tony Coffey says:
"..Matthew stated that |oseph had no sexua reatons wth Mary unt she
gave brth to a son. Ths tes us that after |esus brth, |oseph and Mary had a
norma sexua reatonshp ke any other coupe.
The pont needs to be made that there was nothng unhoy about Mary and
|oseph havng sex. How coud there be? Marrage was desgned by God, wth
sex as one of ts bessngs. It must be remembered that |oseph and Mary
were engaged to be marred. Lke any engaged coupe, they may have
dscussed, among other matters, havng chdren. Such a dscusson woud
not have been unhoy. Sex wthn the bounds of marrage has the
endorsement of God. The noton of marrage wthout sex s the opposte of
what scrptures teach: Marrage shoud be honoured by a, and the marrage
bed kept pure, for God w |udge the aduterer and a the sexuay mmora
(Hebrews 13:4).
The Aposte Pau was very outspoken about the pace of sex n marrage and
the mutua obgaton of both husband and wfe to fuf the sexua desres of
ther partner.." |13|
Ben Wtherngton III s an Amercan New Testament schoar. Professor
Wthernton aso comments on Matthew 1:25, he says:
"Matthew 1:25 has caused no end of theoogca debate over the centures.
|oseph s sad to take hs wfe, but he was not knowng her unt she gave
brth to a son. Ths seems to renforce what was sad n Matthew 1:18 and
mpes that |oseph abstaned from sexua ntercourse wth Mary unt |esus
was born. The verb here he was not knowng (egnosken) s n the mperfect
and stresses a specfc perod of tme after whch he was knowng her n the
bbca sense of sexua ntercourse. As Matthew 17:9 and ts smar
constructon show, a negatve statement foowed by unt whch tme
aways mpes that the negated acton w take pace after the aotted tme
(ndcated by the partcpe) s up. The end of the tme s ndcated by the
aorst verb gave brth (eteken). Therefore, t s most key that ths verse
rues out the dea of Marys perpetua Vrgnty beng part of Matthews
theoogy." |14|
Ph Moore:
"Some Chrstan tradtons see Mary as a perpetua vrgn who never had sex
wth |oseph. I fnd ths mpossbe to reconce wth the straghtforward
teachng of Matthew 1:25; 12:46; 13:55." |15|
The NIV Appcaton Commentary by Matthew |. Wkns aso agrees that the
verse n Matthew 1:25 s takng about sexua ntercourse takng pace after
|esus brth:
".(1:25). The decate way of Matthew phrases ths expresson (t., he was
not knowng her) was a common way of referrng to abstanng from sexua
ntercourse n both Hebrew and Greek. Sexua abstnence mantaned |oseph
and Marys rtua purfcaton the pregnancy as we as ensured that |esus was
vrgn-born. But ths s not a hnt of contnued cebacy after |esus brth. The
word unt most naturay means that Mary and |oseph had norma marta
sexua reatons after |esus brth, from whch other chdren were born (see
12:46, 13:55)." |16|
6. Hoy Sprt Impregnated Mary when she was 12 - 14 years od -
Paedopha?
One woud seem shocked by the tte of ths secton. But ths s true, f one
reads certan passages n the Bbe, one woud rease straght away that
sexuaty was nvoved n Marys pregnancy. Lets have a read of the verses:
|ohn 3:16 Kng |ames Bbe
For God so oved the word, that he gave hs ony begotten Son, that
whosoever beeveth n hm shoud not persh, but have everastng fe.
Let me now show what the word beget, begotten means:
The concse Oxford dctonary of current Engsh (1911) says:
beget v.t. (-tt-, -got, -gotten). Procreate (usu. Of father, sometmes of father
and mother, cf bear);... |17|
Merram-Websters Coegate Dctonary: Eeventh Edton says:
.begotten: (1) : OFFSPRING (2) : the entre progeny of a mae anma b:
neage.. |18|
Chamberss twenteth century dctonary of the Engsh anguage (1903):
Beget, be-get, v.t. to produce or cause : to generate : to produce as an effect,
to cause :- pr.p begettng ; pa.t. begat, begot : pa.p begot , begotten. -n.
Begetter, one who begets: a father : the agent that occasons or orgnates
anythng.. |19|
What are we supposed to me make of statements ke that n the Bbe, that
the God begets a Son? Ths s exacty the same as human by human or
anma by anma reatonshp. We as Musms ob|ect to the word begotten
because begettng s an anma act, beongng to the ower anma functons
of sex. How can Chrstans attrbute such a owy capacty to God? The words
are crysta cear; anybody readng the above mentoned verse woud straght
away beeve/thnk that Yahweh had sexua ntmacy wth Mary and ths s the
case.
The anguage of the next verse ceary shows sexua ntmacy. Read the verse
for yourseves:
Kng |ames 2000 Bbe Luke 1:35
And the ange answered and sad unto her, The Hoy Sprt sha COME UPON
YOU, and the power of the Hghest sha OVERSHADOW YOU: therefore aso
that hoy thng whch sha be born of you sha be caed the Son of God.
In Luke 1:35 when the words COME UPON YOU s used ths sounds exacty
ke husband come upon hs wfe.
There are Chrstans that beeve that Yahweh had sexua ntmacy wth Mary
not |ust that but aso Mary became a WIFE of God. Here s one of the
commentares on Luke by a Chrstan (Mormon), t says:
God, the Father of our sprts, became the father of our Lord |esus Chrst
accordng to the fesh. Hence, the Father sath concernng hm Thou art my
Son, ths day have I begotten thee. We are nformed n the frst chapter of
Luke, that Mary was chosen by the Father as a choce vrgn, through whom
he begat |esus. The ange sad unto the Vrgn Mary, The Hoy Ghost sha
come upon thee and the power of the Hghest sha overshadow thee:
therefore, aso that hoy thng whch sha be born of thee sha be caed the
Son of God. After the power of the Hghest had overshadowed Mary, and she
had by that means conceved, she reated the crcumstance to her cousn
Ezabeth n the foowng words: He that s Mghty hath done to me great
thngs; and hoy s Hs name. It seems from ths reaton that the Hoy Ghost
accompaned the hghest when he overshadowed the Vrgn Mary and begat
|esus; and from ths crcumstance some have supposed that the body of |esus
was begotten of the Hoy Ghost wthout the nstrumentaty of the mmedate
presence of the Father. There s no doubt that the Hoy Ghost came upon
Mary to sanctfy her, and make her hoy, and prepare her to endure the
gorous presence of the Hghest, that when He shoud overshadow her she
mght conceve, beng fed wth the Hoy Ghost; hence the ange sad, as
recorded n Matthew, That whch s conceved n her s of the Hoy Ghost;
that s, the Hoy Ghost gave her strength to abde the presence of the father
wthout beng consumed; but t was the personage of the father who begat
the body of |esus; and for ths reason |esus s caed the Ony begotten of the
Father; that s, the ony one n ths word whose feshy body was begotten by
the Father. There were mons of sons and daughters whom He begat before
the foundaton of ths word, but they were sprts, and not bodes of fesh and
bones; whereas, both the sprt and body of |esus were begotten by the
Father- the sprt havng been begotten n heaven many ages before the
tabernace was begotten upon the earth.
The feshy body of |esus requred a Mother as we as a father. Therefore, the
father and Mother of |esus, accordng to the fesh, must have been assocated
together n capacty of Husband and Wfe; hence the Vrgn Mary must have
been, for the tme beng, the LAWFUL WIFE OF GOD THE FATHER : we use the
term LAWFUL wfe, because t woud be basphemous n the hghest degree to
say that He overshadowed her or begat the savour unawfuy. It woud have
been unawfu for any man to have nterfered wth Mary, who was aready
espoused to |oseph ; for such a henous crme woud have sub|ected both the
guty partes to death, accordng to the aw of Moses. But God havng had the
most perfect rght to do wth Hs own creaton, accordng to Hs hoy w and
PLEASURE He had a awfu rght to overshadow the vrgn Mary n the capacty
of a HUSBAND, and beget a Son, athough she was espoused to another; for
the aw whch He gave to govern men and women was not ntended to
govern Hmsef, or to prescrbe rues for hs own conduct. It was aso awfu n
Hm, after havng thus deat wth Mary, to gve her to |oseph her espoused
husband. Whether God the Father gave Mary to |oseph for tme ony, or for
tme and eternty, we are not nformed. In as much as god was the Frst
HUSBAND to HER, t may be that he ony gave her to be the wfe of |oseph
whe n ths morta state, and that He ntended after the resurrecton to agan
take her as one of hs own wves to rase up mmorta sprts n eternty. |20|
Davd |ay |ordan a Chrstan comments on the word "OVERSHADOW" from
Luke 1:35, he says:
And f you ddnt know t the word overshadowed s |ust another decate
dscreet way of sayng a man got on top of a woman, castng hs shadow over
her, and entered her wth hs pens and made ove to her. Ths s |ust the
good od-fashoned mssonary way of producng babes. The woman gets
overshadowed.or as Kng Soomon va the Hoy Sprt sad. Hs eft hand s
under my head, and hs rght hand doth embrace me. (Song of Soomon 2: 6)
Because her over s over top of her.. and he s overshadowng her ...and
hs banner over me was ove (2: 4).
Do couds penetrate nto the womb ?.. Does gas produce babes ? The
answer obvousy NO. The Lord created sperm to break thru the egg of a
woman to combne wth the ce of a woman to reproduce nto a new body for
a new sou. Thats the Lords boogy, thats Hs embryoogy. Thats the Lords
sexuaty.
Mathew 1:20 But whe he thought on these thngs, behod, the ange of the
Lord appeared unto hm n a dream, sayng, |oseph, thou son of Davd, fear
not to take unto thee Mary thy wfe: for that whch s CONCEIVED IN her s of
the Hoy Ghost.
And the concepton happened INSIDE Marys womb.
Luke 2:21 And when eght days were accompshed for the crcumcsng of the
chd, hs name was caed |ESUS, whch was so named of the ange before he
was CONCEIVED IN THE WOMB.
If you want to read more on ths, cck on the nk beow. I ddnt add some
other ponts he brought up, I thnk t s dstastefu:
http://www.davd|ay|ordan.com/OvershadowngofVrgnMary.htm
From everythng presented above, t s cear that sexuaty was nvoved n
Marys pregnancy.
Brown Ogwuma says somethng on ths as we:
"It seems that, ke the adut human mae, the Hoy Sprt who fathered |esus
s aso more sexuay attracted to younger femaes than oder ones. And for
90 years od |oseph havng other chdren wth Mary, who was so young as to
be hs grand-daughter, he must have been a busy od man, who apparenty
was endowed wth sexua prowess." |21|
We can a agree wth the evdence presented that Marys pregnancy nvoved
sexua ntmacy wth the Hoy Sprt. Ths was not me, but your own Chrstans
sources who are admttng such basphemous thng that God had sexua
ntmacy wth Mary for |esus to be born.
7. Age of Consent n European & Amercan Hstory
Eary marrages n Amercan States and European countres pror the 20th
century, here s an artce I have wrtten:
http://dscover-the-truth.com/2013/09/09/age-of-consent-n-european-
amercan-hstory/
8. Ouestons for the Hate-Mongerng Chrstans
1. Why was Mary pregnant at such young age by the Hoy Sprt?
2. Why dd |esus not speak aganst (or abosh) them Chd marrages?
3. How come Pau says nothng aganst such marrages?
4. Why dd Yahweh not say anythng aganst Marys marrage wth |oseph?
5. Why dd Yahweh bess the marrage of |oseph who was 80 - 90 years od at
east wth 12 year od Mary?
Concuson: I beeve everythng presented n ths artce supports the fact
that Mary marred |oseph the carpenter when she was 12 years od and
|oseph at east 80 - 90 years od. I went over and defned the word
Apocrypha as you have read aready t orgnay denoted Hdden or secret.
Fnay, I gave a reference from the Gospe of Matthew that sad after |esus
brth |oseph and Mary had norma sexua fe. Lasty the references quoted
from some of the eary Church fathers that Mary marred |oseph when she
was 12 years od, some of them beeved even though Mary was marred to
|oseph, she stayed a Vrgn whoe her fe. Athough they have aready
admtted that |oseph was a very, very od man when marred to 12 year od
Mary, t does not mean nothng f they beeved she stayed a Vrgn. Reason s
because Gospe of Matthew aready made t cear that there was sexua
ntmacy between Mary and |oseph after |esus was born. So whatever the
opnon from some of the eary fathers, Matthew 1:25 crushes/debunks ther
fcttous arguments on Mary stayng a Vrgn whoe her fe.
Dscamer: Whatever s gven n ths artce s |ust showng of the mrror to
the Lars/decevers and other mssonary haters of Isam, otherwse nether I
nor any Musm can ever thnk of anythng cose to t. Chrstan brethren and
ssters do understand that ths artce s n no way attackng the Chrstan
fath. The artce was many wrtten n response to the doube standards of
Chrstan mssonares. No Musm can be a Musm f he/she has any such
magnaton about Mary, the purest and greatest woman of a.
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