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Through the years, the “Man Biters” have been of special interest to me since, in theory, most are not supposed to be Game. Simple
observation tells me there are as many Game man biters (percentage wise) as there are Game dogs in the Pit Bull family.
Most of the old-timers felt the man biters should be destroyed and most definitely never used in a breeding program. I believe a deeper look
into these dogs to be a worthwhile project.
Through my research and observation, I have concluded that there are several types of man biters, each of which deserves recognition and
comment. The most acceptable of the man biters are those that are both protective and territorial. Most bulldogs have this trait to
varying degrees and the beauty of it is that it can be encouraged or discouraged depending on the needs of the owner. These dogs
are usually the more intelligent bulldogs and while they are generally gentle with people, will become a terror to the suspicious
intruder and literally inhale a direct threat to it’s master or his property.
The second most acceptable man biter is the territorial junk Yard dog. This dog gladly accepts its owner but all others are not welcome in its
domain. Off his own property, he is not nearly so aggressive except when challenged directly. These dogs are not for the novice but can be
kept and are definitely a deterrent to dog thieves and various riffraff.
The last acceptable type is the junk Yard dog that will bite anyone anytime, just for the fun of it. Many of these dogs actually have to have their
feed chucked to them even by their owners. These dogs are for the professional only, and most are probably good candidates for execution.
There is also the excitable dog that will bite you to get loose and get on another dog, cat, horse or whatever. These dogs are
definitely not for the amateur and should be kept from these types of situations as much as possible. “BULLYSON,” Anderson’s “CH .
SPADE,” and “MESQUITE SAM” were dogs of this type.
To me the most dangerous is the latent man biter that just goes bad without provocation. These dogs should always be destroyed as their
unpredictability makes them an extremely lethal commodity. This Recessive tendency surfaces in other breeds so why should the Pit Bull be
any different?
The percentage of malicious man biters in the Pit Bull family is extremely low. I believe that through the use of proper breeding methods we
can even lower this. Most of the attacks that are given so much “news media” coverage are generally made by dogs of no breeding. Check the
records – in most cases where a Bulldog mauls or kills someone, they are dogs that were bred by the amateur breeder and usually backed by
records – in most cases where a Bulldog mauls or kills someone, they are dogs that were bred by the amateur breeder and usually backed by
several generations of scatter-bred individuals, most of which are equally bred badly. So in many cases the breeder is at fault and in all but a
few instances, human error enters into the mishap.
There is much to be said about the man biters but for the sake of good judgment, everyone who owns one, just like all Pit Bull
owners, should be very conscientious. Just one case of carelessness could mean a law against the breed in your area and Turn
public support from our dogs. That is exactly what we do NOT need at this need at this point in time. Man biters – Keep one if you
must, but take care if you do.
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I'm glad this was brought up. I think there are more man biters than people care to admit in our yards. Thing is they are in our yards and being
cared for by expirienced dogmen (hopefully). I agree with the dogs in the media being poorly bred and raised for the most part. Now I
somewhat disagree about what is and isn't a manbiter. I'll use my house dog as an example, He absolutly loves people and adores kids. He
wouldn't bite a friend even if they took his food and kicked his balls ( but if someone did that I would bite them). He has that nack that our dogs
seem to have to be able to tell friend from foe. About a month ago Someone got in our side Yard , which is gated from the Front Yard and the
back Yard where the bulldogs are kept on their chains, anyway I have some bells hanging on the door to the side Yard so my house dog can
ring them when he needs to relieve himself. So he rings his bells and I come to let him out and as we step out the door some guy is walking
out the Front gate with some of our lawn furniture. My dog bolted after the guy with a rage I've never seen in him. The guy dropped the chairs
and ran to his truck with my dog gaining on him quick, he barley made it inside his truck with my dog in midair, mouth open and lips curled. My
dog hit the side window shattering it and grabbing a hold of the intruder by the arm. He then began shaking the guys arm so hard his
shoulders were hitting the window frame on each side. I broke my dog of and put him back in the house quickly checking him over for cuts
from the glass. He had a few very minor cuts and some scratches but was otherwise fine. I returned outside to check on the intruder by which
time my neighbors had involved themselves and had already called the police. The intruder was taken to the hospital under arrest. Me and my
dog weren't charged with anything. Since the incident the arresting officer has come by with his wife to show her my dog and inquire about a
puppy off him. My dog has not shown a single aggressive sign towards people since then, not even the electric meter reader who has suprised
him in the same way he just runs up to him wagging his whole body and rubs all over the guys legs. Now that to me is correct temperament
for a house raised Pit bull dog. I also have a dog in my Yard who is a complete man eater. He only accepts me, my family and his breeder he
hits his chain at everyone else who comes back there. When I walk him he's ok with people as long as they Keep about twenty feet away, any
closer than that sets him off. He seems to not be able to distinguish freind and foe very well he automatically sees everyone as foe first. That
is incorrect temperament for the breed IMO. So he has not been bred although he showed very good on his first hunt, his breeder tells me his
sire throws alot of timid dogs who can only accept people he gets to know early in life. His breeder has alot of confidence in their hunting ability
though and the sire is a ROM dog. Now I know alot of people will say they would not breed him, alot of people will say they would Cull or
destropy him, Alot of great producers were manbiters alot of great hunters as well, breeding is not so simple. I won't have to make that decision
since I'm selling him. No I'm not selling him because he's a manbiter although thats first thing I tell people who are interested in him, but his
blood is not the blood I run and I just had three litters and need to make more room. So anyway manbiters will Turn up here and there and alot
of them will be bred but that won't necessarily produce more manbiters as long as you don't selectivly breed for that trait. I personally don't sell
to the public at all. I will sell to other dogmen and will always tell them if the pup they are buying came from a manbiter, I usually Keep
everything I breed unless circumstances prevent me from being able to so. I have bred manbiters before and none of the Offspring turned out
that way or their Offspring and so on as far as I know. I've only had a handful of manbiters over the years and thats just my opinion as I see it.
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im glad this subject was brought up.i have a bitch,one of those ones that will bite to get at another dog.the first time i found out it shocked me
a little as ive never had this happen before.she was very excited and when faced she went nuts and hit me on the left arm,even so much as to
give a little shake on the way through.it crossed my mind right there and then to leave her down as long as it took for the other dog to do
so.only thing is the other one went down in very short order.she tryed to bite again when removing her from the other dog.now i would also like
to add,she is also a very affectionate dog and very friendly arround people.this brings me to my problem....
ive always been brought up with the dogs never to tolerate a man biter.none of her brothers or sisters have been know'n for doing this.
no.1..i Handle my own dog
no.2..im aware of what to expect and let the others involved what i need to do because of the situation,ie..dont Keep me waiting lol..
no.3..i dont sell pups.i did let some out once but decided it was not a good idea,let them find one else where.
no.4..she showed me she is and can be a very long winded aggressive fighter with the will to finish.
other problem is because of her good signs i would like to breed to that,ive checked back about 4gens and none seem to show that they have
this tendancy that anyone wishes to admit,anyway.im not sure weather she would through this to her Offspring as a trait,or is it just an attitude
thing in the individual dog.its left me in a bit of a tight one if you no what i mean.i wouldnt mind some thoughts on this with some experianced
people if ya dont mind,id appreciate it.
thanx,Bear....
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If someone wants to own an aggressive Pit , and can do so without endangering anyone else's safety, then I guess I don't have any objections.
As for me, I don't mind a little bit of protective/territorial behavior as long as the dog has a reason to feel threatened. Or redirected aggression
(can't get the object of desire so will take it out on whatever is around) but not to the point of the dog drawing blood. In other words, if they get
complete tunnel vision and don't realize what/who they're biting, forget it! That dog is gone.
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I loved my true first dog.Had him from a pup slept with me from time he was long as my hand to adult.Greatest pet,well behaved,house
borken,half way trick trained.
But the greatest trait he had was his loyalty.Could take him around any person,cat or dog(as long as it showed no aggression towards him) but
if we were talking and you jokingly slapped my knee.Lord help you if I didn't call him down.
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one of my best hunt dogs was a biter he never showed aggresion to me but to evryone else no matter who or what it was he wanted to
eat&he never bite anyone while in hunt but on the chain or in the truck he was not at all one to be around anything living except an old black
barn cat i had he took to it hell she even had kittens in his house&he helped raise em..now once in the house my wife at the time tried to get
onto him&went to swat his ass&he snaped&backed her into a corner so i remediedthat with a toe punt&was on my way to put him down &she
managed to taljk me out of it.he hunted 3times&never snaped at anyone but 8mons or so later he turned at her again so he went to an older
dogman down the road as he knew the dog&how he was he hunted him 2 more times &breed him once with no biters comeing out.as for
myself i was done with him but he talked me outta him&the dog was one of the last2 to go when he passed......
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I think alot of the man biters we see come from a few different issues.
1. Lack of socialization at an early age. I 've seen numerous bulldogs thrown on chains at 4-5 mnths. The socialization period ends @ approx.
6-9 months. Nothing wrong w/ a tether just gettem out every once in a while.
2. Lack of communication- teach that dog or pup that touching you or anyone else with their teeth is unacceptable. displaced aggression is a
lack of respect and control, imagine your protection trained dog turning on you because you won't release him to go after the decoy/bad guy.
With a little bonding and training you should be able to control a dog even in the highest levels of drive.
3. And I feel the biggest reasons for manbiters is improper reprimanding. Being raised by southern, black, parents and grandparents I got
reprimanded on the backside! they could tear my ass up, they knew it would hurt like hell but they wouldn't cause injury. Now stay with me
here. Imagine every time your kid screws up, you burned them with a cigarrette. You got a really good chance of waking with a knife in your
Chest after a few years of that crap, and justifiably cause thats not a proper reprimand for a child to be reprimanded. So when you smack that
dog on his Muzzle , hit him on his ass or raise a foot or hand in reprimand you lose trust and a bond with that dog because thats not how they
get reprimanded. A dog gets repimanded at the neck and only around the back of the neck. Why do you think every in the late 70's thought
Shepards "turned on thier owners" cause everybody used the rolled up newspaper method.
4. There are exceptions to every rule... if you have a dog that is socialized properly with people, taught his place with people and
reprimanded/rewarded properly and the dog still holds a notion to bite the hand that feeds it then imho Cull the Bulldog cause it is a complete
180 of the standard.
Lastly I am real new to the Game dog lifestyle because in order to do it right its life changing. However I have trained, worked with and
rehabilitated some really high drive dogs. My opinion comes from my years of training dogs not pits so I appreciate input from dogmen. Thats
why I stay on this board.
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3. And I feel the biggest reasons for manbiters is improper reprimanding. Being raised by southern, black, parents and grandparents I
got reprimanded on the backside! they could tear my ass up, they knew it would hurt like hell but they wouldn't cause injury. Now stay
with me here. Imagine every time your kid screws up, you burned them with a cigarrette. You got a really good chance of waking with
a knife in your Chest after a few years of that crap, and justifiably cause thats not a proper reprimand for a child to be reprimanded.
So when you smack that dog on his Muzzle , hit him on his ass or raise a foot or hand in reprimand you lose trust and a bond with that
dog because thats not how they get reprimanded. A dog gets repimanded at the neck and only around the back of the neck. Why do
you think every in the late 70's thought Shepards "turned on thier owners" cause everybody used the rolled up newspaper method.
AC
My house dog screwed up he got a smack on the ass.He ran off from me after a deer.He came back I got a switch and wore his lil ass out.
Now he cuts up I raise my voice,He automatically lays on the couch till I sit down and tell him apologize.He then comes right to me and lays
down with me and puts his head on my lap.I no longer have to touch him.Still a happy,well trained dog.
Just gotta know when and how much.They just tend to be a bit more hardheaded than children lol.
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I like that. Listen, I think one of the reasons my training center is growing and I am still in business is because I don't pigeon hole myself.
I've learned numerous methods by more than a few "master" trainers and behaviorist. Most of them felt thier way was the only way to do things
..... that's why most of them have retired, quit training or just got left in the dust. I will never TELL someone what to do with their own dog. And
I respect all sound training methods that work. However, the fact that most pits will accept an ass whoop'in w/o undo effects is in my opinion a
testiment to our forefathers desire for man submissive bulldogs not the reprimand method. As a trainer I am man enough to admit I've lost my
temper with my own dogs and reprimanded in ways I'm not proud of, but I strive to be fair with the few animals that I Keep that would give their
lives for me at the drop of a hat. My mal is the only dog that sleeps in daddys room cause he is the only dog I have that will take a bullet for
me. And I figure I owe him that. Some Canines are way too sharp to accept a physical reprimand other than at the neck, I bought him @ 7
mnths for a rock bottom price cause his previous owner tried to "alpha-roll " him and got a face full of stitches. I expect that out of a Mal or
Dutch, but would Cull a Pit in a heartbeat for the same behavior.

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I agree with Alpha in regards to keeping your hound social. I feel that some of us as dogmen think that a hound isn't going to be human
aggressive just because it is a well bred gamedog...I beg to differ. You still have to take the proper steps in making sure that the animal is well
socialized, just like you would with any other breed...remember that they are K9s first and foremost....with extreme prey drive.
Long story short: An old buddy of mine had 2 VERY well bred dogs that came from 2 very accomplished dogmen that have been breeding
dogs almost as long as I have been on this planet...numerous Champions & Grand Champions. Late one night when he wasn't home his ole
lady let the hounds out to go potty and they attacked a 12 year old girl. He had a BAD habit of letting his dogs of lead, thinking that he had
FULL control. They had chased the girl on a couple of occasions; she was horrified of dogs and would strike out running whenever she seen
them. On that fatal night of the attack, I'm assuming that "Prey Drive" kicked in. The attack happened in the summer time, before school
started....she missed her whole 7th grade year and almost lost her life. The guy was facing criminal charges the last time that I talked to him.
P.S. One of the dogs was directly off a Champion and ROM dog; the other was the grand daughter of a Grand Champion on top and
grandaughter to a ROM on bottom.
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I purchased this Bitch from Maurice Carver. She grew

to be a horrible Maneater. She loved the family, but had a
deep hatred for humans.
She produced people loving dogs, but every generation or
two the maneater trait will show up.
This is a current 5yr old male that is a Mankiller. He hates humans as much
as he hates dogs. He is gentle and a lovebucket to the family, but
I can't allow anyone else near him.
The trait just shows up here and there. If I didn't live miles away from
anyone I wouldn't feel comfortable keeping him.
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I agree with KK. If I had a dog that even showed me their teeth wrong I would Turn them into a gardener. They would help the flowers grow.
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I always considered a manbitter worse than a Cur . Now thats just me dont get me wrong they will both get a dirt nap just the man bitter will
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Boxmaster Bull was a bad maneater he was a 5x winner but in the end geatan dinelle gave bull a dirt nap . I had a son and daughter of bulls
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Yes, I owned a neice of Bull and she was sweet with people as well
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I always considered a manbitter worse than a Cur . Now thats just me dont get me wrong they will both get a dirt nap just the man
bitter will just get it faster...............KK
Very wise statement KK.... I agree 1000%.

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DIRT NAP and also zebo...............................KK
....and probably wouldn't have had a choice. There's no way I would've went through what B. Hall went through with ole Bully, but to each his
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If someone wants to own an aggressive Pit , and can do so without endangering anyone else's safety, then I guess I don't have any
objections. As for me, I don't mind a little bit of protective/territorial behavior as long as the dog has a reason to feel threatened. Or
redirected aggression (can't get the object of desire so will take it out on whatever is around) but not to the point of the dog drawing
blood. In other words, if they get complete tunnel vision and don't realize what/who they're biting, forget it! That dog is gone.
Well, when handling any dog while working, it's up to the Handler to let the dog know that those are human hands on the back of its neck, as
opposed to another combatant. Sometimes it can be extremely difficult for one to realize the difference, particularly when fully charged with the
hormones and neuro chemicals which create an entirely different state of mind than that which manifests under normal circumstances. A high
percentage of military casualties during wartime is a direct result of "friendly fire". When adrenaline gets pumping and endorphines are kicking
in, even a human combatant can often fail to realize he's pouring bullets into his squadmate until after the fact. The famous WWII aviator,
Butch O'Hare, after winning the Medal of Honor for single-handedly engaging with nine enemy bombers at once and downing five of them, was
later shot out of the sky and killed by his own scatter-brained wingman during the Heat of battle.
I used to work late nights as a computer technician for clients such as Bank of America and Wells Fargo. Often I'd be the only one in the
building. One night at a public utility office a janitor, whom I didn't realize happened to be there at the time, came up behind me and startled
me to the point where I turned and hit him hard in the nose without even thinking. His subsequent trip to the emergency room could have been
avoided had he given me some kind of "heads up" alerting me to his presence in the building.
With dogs it's no different. Being so intensely focused on the task at hand, one can sometimes "forget" that you're even there. It's the job of the
Handler to nurture a constant awareness of his/her presence. They are DOGS afterall. People are quick to put human standards on them, even
if such standards often fail to be lived up to by the humans themselves.
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SORRY we all know the power of these dogs....and my 40lb could pull me around the Yard and I am 200lb.....what would a 40lb man eater do
to a child..or any one else who happened to get in the way???? there are good dog men out there who have put perfectly good dogs down
...to save them going to the wrong people....and some of you are looking to Keep a dangerouse dog.....not very good publicity if this got out.....
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Never understood why someone would Keep a manbiter. I know some folks that have ones that will eat you up. They say they Keep them
because they are good pullers, But to me it doesnt matter if they are a good puller or a Cur . They have to be put down.
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yeah i agree the only good man biter is a dead one! i don't give a rats if he bites out of fear or anything a good dog should not bite simple as
that ,and you dicheads that Keep dogs that bite will only kee pon bringing the rest of us down with ya's..grow at least half a a brain and kill the
frking biting muts and get decent stable dogs
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I was reading an article about zebo and it said that zebo almost toke adams son ear off. That dog sould of been put down when something like
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never had a man biter luckily
now i take a bit more chance if you will, working with rescue.
i dont know these dogs backgrounds-they are all bulldogs but, i can only go by my knowledge of the breed and gut feelings.
i told the directors i would deal w/ any behavioral issues..EXCEPT HA .
i got their most diffucult case, 1.5 yo male,drug house guard dog-long story short he was a mouther ( exploratory) and after about 3 months of
work he stopped it 100% and is a great dog.
oneof my others is a 10yo ex street fighter, not fond of the 1.5yo anymore, but not at all HA let alone a manbiter. BUT he is a finisher...when i
was gone to TN 2 weeks ago, my friend was caring for the dogs, she had them out on a walk-the 1.5yo and 10 yo got into a very serious
fight.she didnt have a Breaking Stick but kept a cool head and waited for them to be free of holds....20 minutes go by still cant get them
apart....man drives by offers help- she gives him the blind 6 yo to hold ( all 3 had each other in holds at one point) after another 10 minutes or
so she had them apart. now this is a young girl (22yo) who is not all that dog savy BUT she remembered all the things i had told her over the
past few years about how to Handle a Bulldog fight. she was right there with the dogs, waiting for that moment where they were free, and she
got ZERO aggresion directed towards her at anypoint ( she could have just dropped the leads and ran for help, but she didnt)
not sure where im going now, but manbiters have no place in my home or yard
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i don't find this subject about ManBitters so easy and so black and white. even i risk to get again the titule of dogs whispearer
my obsession with manbitters has been Started 20 years ago when i was badly attacked by my bro's house dog, carsian shepard from military
breeding (they use those dogs for borders control), he was a puppy of 100 lbs, jumped on me when he was laying & sleeping in my bed and i
came near... he almost destroyed completly my left hand. after all these years my hands have still violet color, he ruined my perifery veins and
the OP made just worst the whole thing...
before i start you have to know that Yacuza's Mr. Indian ROM, leading on Balkan ROM list with impressive list of CH and GR CH dogs, is terrible
manbitter (also a wall-jumper), but the whole Balkans and wider, Turkey, Russia, Greece take their females to breed to him...
do you think i got one single answer on my constant provocations "why do you breed to him?". no. i just see he throws titule dogs, hard as hell
to beat...
in any Gamedog Yard i've visited, there was at least one of a differend kind of a manbitters, but i didn't find a real manbitter (people i know don't
know it also) and it is the one that can attack also his master, it means the one who feeds the dog, just like that.
based just on dogs i've met and figured out the behavior till now, i can see a difference :
- man-bitters
- fear-bitters
- man-stoppers
- fighting- instinct- bitters
(or a mix)
that's not complete list or maybe it will be changed, i know i have to see much more dogs to be completly sure, lol...
the worst kind of a dog is manbitter, especialy those allergic to be touched. no chance you can cross dog's line without being attacked, no
matter human or dog. it depends on each dog where is its own line and using socialization methods described by Alphaclub, you can put this
dog into control and even more...mostly they are very inteligent dogs of a great intuition and are perfect companion dogs for very experienced
people. if this kind of dog dominates also his master, then you get a beast, impredictible who will bite just for pure fun knowing everyody is
scared. there were/are great warriors among them...
fear-bitters are piece of cake. they are just affraid. when young they act shy even when master is approaching, not to talk about other people.
they have big problems with people even in the box, especialy in schooling days. uf, there is so lot of them nowdays and that's sad because
they don't need a lot to "learn & get to know a piece of the world".
manstoppers are dogs that will not allow anybody to come near to them or to the pack, they are territory dogs, excellent watch dogs, also
protection dogs, very smart. mostly they are not very interested to people, they are fully concentrated to the master or the pack. they will give
you a warning first. but once they accept you, they are as babies. if you don't get them, they became crazy and they will start a destroying
process of any kind...
Golden King's CH Silver was a real manstopper and there was no chance anybody could approach him when Pera was out of his view. when
Pera was in the Yard , he became sweet and everyody got his belly ...
fighting-instinct-bitters are dogs that will grab the Handler or anybody who will put the obstacles in his way to grab another dog...it doesn't
matter whose hand is it or who is standing by them. it means they forget about anything other except the fight. it is one of the most intense
and unique instincts in animal world. they are not dangerous outside the box (if not also member of other groups, lol).
i know one case of a good producer, Zeljko's Yellow aka Djura POR , that scratched to his owner next day after each roll or just hearing a roll,
or to the first living creature that came near to him. lol...
i was bitten by all of the groups and i own all of them. lol...
they are never without control and far by now they caused no harm. especialy not those in the kennels, lol...
all these manbitters, regardless to how we differ them, need just a responsible and patient master.
the list of famous manbitters is quite long and i will challange you to show me the ped with no famous manbitters in it...
i agree with Mr. Hammonds fully

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There is much to be said about the man biters but for the sake of good judgment, everyone who owns one, just like all Pit Bull
owners, should be very conscientious. Just one case of carelessness could mean a law against the breed in your area and Turn
public support from our dogs. That is exactly what we do NOT need at this need at this point in time. Man biters – Keep one if you
must, but take care if you do.
uf, i can write 10 pages now about manbitters and stories i lived with them, lol.
yis!
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interesting read.but as far as some of the types of biters as you have listed ,i find your definition of a manstopper a bit odd.in protection training
circles a man stopper is a dog that will render a man usless.complete domination over the man.a man stopper will make it completly
impossible for a man to go any further...
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