An interview with nuala eising An interview with nuala eising (R.

Jackson) When I first met Nuala at Galway in 1 !" at the conference #ut together every year $y her stu%ents from the &urren 'chool of (omeo#athy" I aske% her if she ha% %one a #roving of the comet (ale)&o## which was recently a strong #resence in the sky. 'he re#lie% in her marvelous voice" *No" Rowan" I %on+t su##ose we woul% really want to earth that energy" woul% we,* I felt like a character in &utch -assi%y an% .he 'un%ance /i% with a *Who was that woman,* Well" here she is0 A(0 -an you %escri$e your a##roach to homeo#athy an% #rovings, N10 -lassical right %own the line. I+m very a%amant. If I+m %oing a #roving it+s got to $e %one classically" straight %own the line. It+s totally irrelevant what the su$stance is. .he #roving talks for itself at the en% of the %ay. A $unch of #rovers %o a #roving an% they %evelo# sym#toms. 2ou cannot %is#ute the sym#toms $ecause they sing right across the $oar%. I always have a cou#le of sac lacs in there. I know that other #eo#le have ha% the e3#erience with using sac lac in grou# #rovings an%" you know" the sac lac #eo#le have also #ro%uce% the sym#tom. I have not foun% that to $e the case. 4isha 5Norlan%6 sai% to me that he ha% notice% that I work with a grou# very intensely. 4y school is resi%ential. I work very much for the in%ivi%ual. I %on+t have grou#ies. I want strong" in%e#en%ent in%ivi%uals. 'o if someone wants to #rove a reme%y" they %o it. It+s a fact that the #roving talks for itself at the en% of the %ay. I+ve %one 7ire" an% now recently the love of my life is 8acuum. .hat soun%s $i9arre on the face of it" $ut I %o it with an o#en min%. I generally %o #rovings $ecause I+ve ha% a %ream to %o them: an% then I take it into a #urely classical mo%e. I make u# the reme%y in whatever form is a##ro#riate" #ut it out there" give it to a $unch of #eo#le. 8acuum woul% also $e interesting $ecause in a%%ition to having #rovers in Irelan%" I also ha% a grou# in northern -alifornia" a grou# I+ve never met in my life. A woman wrote to me an% sai% she ha% rea% my #rovings of Granite" 4ar$le an% ;imestone an% woul% $e intereste% in #artici#ating in one of my #rovings. I ha% <ust finishe% my #roving of &utterfly an% was thinking what it woul% $e like to %o a #roving in a hot country. 'o I sent the reme%y out to her an% we ha% a great #roving. When I was %oing the 8acuum #roving" I foun% the reme%y was e3tremely a#ocaly#tic when I starte% the #roving here. 'o I thought" *Jesus" they+re out there in -alifornia" the a#ocaly#tic ca#ital of the worl%.* 'o I gave her a ring an% aske% her if she woul% $e intereste% in %oing another #roving. 'he ha% ten #rovers an% we got some ama9ing stuff. =eo#le %o the #roving an% what you+ve got there is a set of sym#toms. It %oesn+t matter what you call the reme%y at the en% of the %ay" as long as it+s source% in the same way. .he thing a$out it is" I %on+t think 7ire coul% $e anything $ut 7ire. 8acuum coul%n+t #ossi$ly $e anything $ut 8acuum. =eo#le talke% a$out the voi%" they talke% a$out s#ace. >oing the 8acuum #roving has $een the most ama9ing e3#erience of my life. A(0 Why, N10 I+ll tell you. I+ll give you a $it of $ackgroun% an% I+ll tell you a story that is also a case which woul% in%icate why 8acuum is so unusual. 7irst the $ackgroun%. I ha% a %ream" as usual" an% this guy who comes into my %reams" turns u# an% says" *Nuala" are you aware that vacuum is the s#ace $etween heaven an% earth, =rove 8acuum?* 'o I woke u# an% sai%" *2eah" right. (ow,* I thought a$out it for a num$er of months an% he came $ack to me in a %ream an% sai%" *.his is very sim#le. What you want to %o is get a $ottle an% #ut some alcohol in it" then vacuum the $ottle" an% you will get the effect of

vacuum on the alcohol.* (e has sai% that ty#e of thing to me $efore in %reams" like that reme%ies are the effect of something on alcohol. What I %i% was #ut some alcohol into a @AAcc $ottle an% vacuume% the $ottle. I checke% the #ressure every hour for a$out seven hours an% I succusse% it a$out BA times each hour. I took it off at mi%night: I %i%n+t #lan it that way. A(0 4i%night $eing the s#ace $etween the %ays, N10 2es. At mi%night I o#ene% the $ottle" took a %ro# out to make the 1c #otency. I #ut it in with %ro#s of the i%entical alcohol I was using. .hat+s why it coul%n+t really $e consi%ere% alcohol. It %i%n+t take very long for the #roving. .he first thing that I notice% was the a#ocaly#tic thing" an% some weir% thing a$out #arallels" an% a$out not $eing a$le to reach another %imension or another s#ace" or a$out $eing $ehin% a mirror an% not $eing a$le to reach out" feeling you were on the other si%e of the mirror" like an o##osite mirror" an% so on. .he thing is" as it %evelo#e%" it+s like when some$o%y goes into a s#ace an% %es#air sets in. .he material worl% $ecomes meaningless. &ut you can+t reach the other thing an% get a gras# on it. 2ou are actually $etween the two s#aces. .he worl% is like that. We+re living in an e3tremely material worl% an% the reme%y is so a##ro#riate right now. We+re living in a worl% that has gotten so e3cessively material an% a lot of the worl% is still on a roll with it an% has forgotten the other %imension. 2ou see it in me%icine an% science: you see it in #olitics: you see it in the worl%" that there+s something lost. &ut yet when #eo#le start #erceiving the lost)ness" they go into %es#air rather than seeing that there+s something else that you can actually get a han%le on. .here was this thing here)I %on+t know if you ha% it in America,)the flu we ha% here" the killer flu. I know that a lot of #eo#le %ie% in &ritain as a result of that flu. I sat with that flu" I was seeing a lot of #eo#le with it" an% I s#ent a week seeing a whole loa% of #eo#le an% trie% a num$er of reme%ies an% nothing was working. At the en% of the week" I thought0 Ck" I+ve seen a lot of #eo#le: what have they all sai% to me, I reali9e% there was a theme going on" that what they were saying )almost every one)what they mentione% in some sha#e" make" or form was0 .here+s no love left in my life" everything seems to $e fragmenting. An% there was %es#air. I reali9e% that was the thing)no love. .hat was sort of see#ing out of me" an% I thought0 (ang on a minute? an% I went over the notes. I ha% <ust starte% working on the 8acuum #roving at that stage" #utting it together" an% I went $ack to the notes an% reali9e% that at the #hysical level #eo#le got an awful cough %uring the #roving. .hey woul% cough u# $loo%" they ha% to hol% their guts)the chest" that really hacking cough. An% I su%%enly reali9e% that all of those sym#toms" the aches an% #ains all over the $o%y" were in the #roving. 'o I starte% giving 8acuum for it an% straight away it worke%. &rilliantly. I sent some to another homeo#ath who ha% the flu an% when she was over it" she gave it to her #atients an% it cure% them. &eautiful. Now I reckon what was actually ha##ening there was that we were coming u# to the millennium" or we ha% reache% the millennium. 1ven if #eo#le weren+t taking it very seriously here)I certainly wasn+t thinking that once you go from D1 >ecem$er 1 to the first of January EAAA" something was going to ha##en)$ut #sychically I think that everyone was #syche% into it. 1ven in #olitics" everyone was talking a$out #eace" an% love was the focus. .he thing is that once you get #eace an% love as the focus" it $rings u# everything else. If you %o it in your own life" the $est way to clear the <unk out is to actually focus on love" an% everything that isn+t will come out.

Now I %i% see a very funny story in the #a#er two weeks after I ha% $een using the 8acuum for that flu. A cou#le of scientists in Wales ha% %eci%e% that this flu virus was not an or%inary flu virus" $ut that it ha% actually come from outer s#ace. .hey reckone% that there ha% $een some solar s#ot activity an% some cosmic %ust ha% gotten into the atmos#here. Now that amuse% me. .here is the connection with the 8acuum #roving0 when you have a look at it" you+ll see the num$er of %reams a$out $eing in outer s#ace" a$out aliens from outer s#ace" an% of #eo#le talking a$out $eing lost in s#ace" an% so on. .he story I was going to tell you" which for me was one of the most ama9ing stories of my life" was of my 4um last year. 'he %ie% last Novem$er an% the #revious July she ha% a stroke. It was a cere$ral throm$osis0 right)si%e% #aralysis" loss of s#eech" loss of swallow. 'he was in hos#ital three an% a half weeks an% then I $rought her home with me. I <ust sat with her twelve hours a %ay. I ha% e3#laine% to her that her s#eech was incoherent an% as a result of that she #ut a lot of effort an% energy into trying to communicate. >uring that time I was looking at her an% thinking0 Rightsi%e% #aralysis" loss of s#eech" loss of swallow an% one clear mental sym#tom" *Ailments from caring for others.*) -austicum. 'o I gave the -austicum an% her swallow came $ack almost imme%iately" $ut it %i%n+t affect anything else. &ut her swallow came $ack an% that was great. I took her out of the hos#ital after three an% a half weeks. I hire% a solicitor $ecause she wante% to sort things out. After the material things were sorte% out she <ust wante% to go. &ut at that stage she ha% sta$ili9e% herself $y the effort of will" sorting out the material stuff" getting rea%y to leave. 'he was going into really comatose slee#s an% when she+% come out she was very frustrate% an% %isorientate%" an% frustrate% o$viously $ecause she ha% no mo$ility. I gave her C#ium $ecause it was the most clearly in%icate% reme%y an% it #ulle% her out of the comatose slee#s for a short #erio% of time $ut offere% her nothing. 'o I was left with the Fuestion0 Why %i% I %o this, 'he+s not $etter off. 'he went $ack to comatose slee#s an% ha% a lot of frustration an% u#sets an% we coul%n+t communicate. 1veryone who visite% her %escri$e% her as $eing in a s#ace $etween heaven an% earth. I remem$ere% in the 8acuum #roving that #eo#le ha% %ifficulty with s#eech as well" %ifficulty getting wor%s out" wrong wor%s woul% come out. *.his* for *that.* I %i%n+t actually e3#ect her s#eech to come $ack $ut I was ha##y to make this easier for her. 'o I ha% a $it of contem#lation. >uring the %ay we woul% #ut her in the conservatory where there are a lot of #lants an% running water. I reali9e% that she was in the same #osition I was in %uring the #roving" like in a s#ace shuttle" facing west in my conservatory an% not relating to anything outsi%e. An% I reali9e% there+s nothing to loose here" so I walke% in an% gave her a DAc an% went out to make a cu# of tea. All I sai% to her was" *Woul% you like to take one of my reme%ies,* I never tol% her what it was $ut she wante% to take it. I came $ack EA minutes later an% 4um sai% to me" *A%am an% 1ve in the gar%en.* 'o my first thought was0 What the hell have I %one, .hen I reali9e% she was making a <oke $ecause she #ut her han% to my face an% sai%" *2ou+re A%am an% I+m 1ve* an% laughe%. .hree %ays $efore the stroke she ha% visite% me an% came to the #on% an% sai%" *Nuala" if only I ha% a #lace like this for my last %ays" it+s like the Gar%en of 1%en.* 'o she went straight $ack to that. A(0 .hat+s also the #lace of no se#aration. N10 I know. When I woke u# from that first %ream when the little man tol% me to make 8acuum" I $egan to think of the Gar%en of 1%en. What ha##ene% then was that my 4um

$egan to hea# vali%ation on me an% on Jack" my hus$an% who was so won%erful. 'he was vali%ating him to the hillto#s. 'he also sai% there were things that she nee%e% to un%erstan% an% to $e un%erstoo%. *4um" you are $eing un%erstoo%. (ave you notice% that your s#eech is #erfect. I can hear every wor% you are saying.* .he ne3t %ay I wante% to hel# her with what she wante% to un%erstan%" so I tol% her a$out all that went on since her stroke. I wante% to sort it out for myself as well" so I went over it with her. 'he sai% that she un%erstoo% all of that $ut there was one thing that she %i%n+t un%erstan%. 'he wante% to un%erstan% how to love" an% sai%" *Nuala" can you teach me,* Insi%e I <ust went *Wow?* Cutsi%e I sai%" *Ck.* I followe% that with a huge session on forgiveness. I e3#laine% to her what true forgiveness is0 the actual lifting of $lame" the letting someone else go" not mistaking it for having to live with some$o%y or to $e with some$o%y" the letting someone go with love. 2ou can %o that until you remove the guilt from your own life" so what you nee% to %o is wee% out the areas where you feel guilty" the things that $in% you an% so on. 'o we %i% a huge session on that for hours an% at the en% I aske% her if she woul% like to %o a me%itation with me. I have a lovely fire me%itation that has to %o with sen%ing love out to the universe an% all the rest. After that she was high as a kite. In the ne3t num$er of %ays she was so full of uncon%itional love. What ha##ene% ne3t was that she got into that #acket of love. Now you know that when you get into uncon%itional love that is outsi%e the material %imension" the love itself creates a vacuum into which everything else in life coul% come. .he ne3t stage from that was she ha% to fin% meaning in her life. .he comatose slee#s sto##e% imme%iately: she never ha% one after that. 'he %ie% with consciousness. Never lost consciousness since the minute she took the 8acuum. Now" instea% of going into the comatose slee#s)which un%ou$te%ly take #eo#le off into the other %imension an% they come $ack with frustration" not remem$ering anything)what was ha##ening with 4um" very gra%ually an% very gently" was a weaving of a threa%. I coul% almost see it" a soft silk threa% weaving the two %imensions together" heaven an% earth. 4um woul% go off on these little tri#s an% come $ack with total consciousness an% $e a$le to talk at length a$out what she was e3#eriencing. 'he also felt that she ha% to #resent something to this other worl% that gave some meaning to her life. 'he was a woman who ha% 9ilch self)vali%ation. 'he was asking me what she coul% $ring $ack u# there" like a -.8. for the a$ove. 'o I tol% her what a won%erful mother she was" an% a $rilliant musician" an% what an ama9ing #erson she was in the wholeness of it. An% I saw that everything came in three)%ay #ackages. I was with her three %ays" vali%ating her life. Now this is going to soun% a$sur%" $ut I coul% see that she was #resenting to the whole of her ancestry in that room. 'he vali%ate% her life. It #ut her through every little $it of resentment" anger an% hurt" an% the letting go of all the rest. It was ama9ing. It went on for a cou#le of months. We were $oth" for that time" in that s#ace where there is no %eath" where you are the only one relating to that #art of you that %oes not %ie. It was so o$vious %uring that time that there was a #ackage she wasn+t going for)it ke#t rearing its hea% an% she+% go into guilty things a$out it. 'he woul%n+t go for it an% I knew she was nee%ing to. I ha% some kin% of a %ream that night an% I %i%n+t ask her %irectly" $ut what I %i% %o was <ust listen to her most of the time an% <ust fee% $ack to her. .his #articular one was not that $ig a %eal" $ut it was to her" $rought u# as a -atholic. When I su%%enly twigge% it" I #laye% aroun% in that area an% su%%enly she came out with it. .hen

she wante% to sit for three hours on her own. 'he wante% to sit Fuietly an% let it go through. 'o I left her the s#ace" $ut ke#t coming in to see if she nee%e% anything. At the en% of three hours" she took hol% of my han% an% sai%" *Nuala" it+s gone.* An% that evening I actually saw #eo#le leaving her room. It was so free. 'he %ie% two weeks after that. 'he was as free as a $ree9e from then on in. .he rest of the time she s#ent more an% more in the free%om" the flight of going an% coming $ack" an% taking a $it of Fuiet time. .hree %ays $efore she %ie% I was sitting with her. 'he %i%n+t want much com#any at that stage. I was %oing all the #hysical things for her0 $e% $aths" lifting her" stuff like that. I was with her this evening when she took my han% an% sai%" *Nuala" I love your voice" I love the feel of you near me"* an% she talke% with me an% I knew her sight was gone $ecause she %i%n+t use one single visual wor%. .hen she sai%" *Nuala" I+m leaving this life.* An% I sai%" *Are you,* .hen she sai%" *2es" I am.* An% I sai%" *Are you ha##y,* An% she sai%" *2es I am" I am really ha##y.* An% I sai%" *It+s great to $e free.* An% she sai%" *It really is.* 'he %ie% three %ays to the minute after she ma%e that statement. 1verything in my life has come in three)%ay #ackages. .he %ay she %ie%" I was %ue to go into Galway to visit my first)year stu%ents who were having a -hristmas #arty. We have a me%itation first" an% I %eci%e% I woul% stay for that an% leave $efore the #arty. Jack" my hus$an%" woul% $e staying with her" $ut I wante% to give her a $ath $efore I left. 'o I was sitting with her an% I sai% to her" *4um" I+ll go get the water together an% I+ll give you a wash an% change your clothes.* 'he looke% at me an% smile% an% sai%" *Nuala"* an% that was her last wor%. I went out of the room to get the water: she ha%n+t %ie% yet $ut nothing else was sai%. I came $ack with the water a minute later. I #ut the water %own an% turne% aroun% an% <ust like that" sna#" I saw 4um leaving her $o%y. Cut. (er face turne% to wa3 imme%iately. I saw her go an% her face turn to wa3 an% then her $o%y starte% to $reathe her last $reaths. >o you know" that was it. 'he went out 'outh)east" like *I+m outta here*)as free as a $ree9e. 'he was gone an% that was that. In January I got a $it of a sur#rise after she %ie%. 1verything ha% $een so near #erfect it never occurre% to me that I woul% have #henomenal grief. It ha%n+t occurre% to me" like how stu#i% can you get, (ave you ever ha% the most ama9ing e3#erience an% then %ou$t that you ha% the e3#erience, Well" I hit the #its. I got three)%ay #ackages of %es#air. A(0 It+s like the vacuum)she+s gone an% what+s left is the vacuum. N10 A$solutely. Well" %own I went in January. I went into this sort of a thing0 What were those four months a$out, What was ha##ening there, Ch Go%" %i% I give 4um a $unch of %elusions $efore she %ie%, Into the #it? Anyway" on the thir% of the three %ays" I was coming from town. It was %ark" January" very" very col%. I was in the car an% the whole thing turne% to anger. I su%%enly got very angry. 7uck it? I actually want something to come from somewhere an% actually tell me" %i% I %o the right thing or not. I want the truth. If it was all $ullshit" tell me. ;et a fucking $ooming voice come out from the sky an% let me know for sure. I got into a 8eratrum state. Whatever I was %oing" I wante% something to tell me the truth. An% I+m in a rage with my $ooming voice. I get home" get out of my car an% go u# to my house. Cutsi%e my house are two clim$ing roses" which were %ea% as whatever in winter. Not a leaf on them" a cou#le of ol% hi#s from last year. I walk u# to the %oor an% there is a fully in)$loom #ink rose growing at my front %oor. 1verything else on the $ush is %ea%. It was com#letely an% fully in $loom. I rushe% into the house an% got Jack an% every$o%y to look at it cause I wante% to know0

Am I hallucinating roses in January here, &ut I wasn+t. I rang u# my %aughter in >u$lin an% tol% her the story an% she sai%" *1very$o%y gets a $ooming voice from the sky $ut not everyone gets a $looming rose in January.* 4um+s e3#erience was a #ositive one. &ut in the #roving that is the s#ace that everyone went into. .he thing is" in the #roving" #eo#le went into %es#air an% the $etween) twoworl%s state an% everything was very e3treme" like %efinitely the en% of the worl%" we $lew it. .here was a time that was #arallel to 4um+s work" that this is going to matter on the other si%e" an% what is the other si%e going to think of this, .hat ke#t ha##ening" $ut #eo#le went into %es#air as well" like going aroun% in circles. .he e3#erience was the voi%" chaos" creation" an% the eternal cycle. Cne of the -alifornia #rovers ha% %escri$e% it as $eing suici%al for a num$er of %ays. .hen he sai% that suici%e an% mur%er woul% $e consi%ere% the same thing on the other si%e. .hen he sai% he %i%n+t want to commit suici%e $ecause of what life is like)you go to the movies: you+re in the mi%%le of a cra##y movie an% %eci%e to leave: you get out into the foyer an% the %oor outsi%e lea%s into another room with the e3act same movie showing: a% infinitum. I ha% a %ream that I+m on a roun%a$out an% I see other #eo#le on the roun%a$out an% it+s always the same roun%a$out an% I+m always alone. Cne or two #eo#le got to the #oint of $reaking through to the other si%e of #ure love which then gave meaning to the whole of their life. 4um took 8acuum" went into a state of #ure love" which then allowe% her to give meaning to the whole of her life an% to lift her %es#air. .hat+s what ha##ene% in the #roving. .here were wor%s in the #roving" like" *I was $orn into this love.* .he man who comes into my %reams turne% u# at the en% of the #roving an% sai%" *Nuala" are you aware that every$o%y who %i% the #roving of 8acuum went $ack to the #lace $efore they mattere%" an% that is where #ure love is.* A(0 2ou got his num$er, N10 .his constant search for love. .his man in -alifornia ha% a %ream where he %iscovere% that the woman he was meant to live with an% love ha% gone an% %ie% $efore he ha% even met her. 1verything is so much more than we can imagine. A(0 &ecause there is no limit in the vacuum, N10 An% the conce#t of #arallels" not $eing a$le to connect. ;ike going on the other si%e of the mirror)you can+t connect out)or things are going in #arallel lines an% time has gone a$solutely haywire with no trust or faith in the worl%. -oncern for others was #henomenal. I ha% given my 4other -austicum first)*-aring for others.* A(0 An% -austicum was create% alchemically" so there+s a resonance $etween the two su$stances in a funny way. N10 2es" a$solutely. I was thinking" -austicum was the reme%y that allowe% her to sort things out on the material #lane an% it gave her the a$ility to %o that. (er ne3t stage was her nee% to come to terms with the s#iritual %imension" with heaven if you like. -austicum is in the material #lane an% 8acuum was the heavenly version. I ha% a com#lete cure of a case of narcole#sy with 8acuum" where I ha% given him C#ium initially. An% 8acuum was my eleventh #roving. A(0 1leven0 it+s the s#ace $etween. .he vacuum. N10 4y =luto is at eleven %egrees. 4o%ern science came u# with the chaos theory an% the 8acuum #roving woul% have sai% the same thing. I was fascinate% going $ack through history an% looking at the %ifferent religions. .here was always the voi% in some

sha#e" manner or form. It was chaos an% there was always some goo% go% who $anishe% the chaos" $ut chaos was always lurking in the $ackgroun%. When you start going over history" you see that it has #ermeate% everything. .he male was or%er an% the female" chaos. It su%%enly ma%e sense to me why so many women came to such tragic en%s. When they ste##e% out of line or came u# with something intuitively" it coul%n+t $e han%le%" it was eFuate% with evil. Now" I got very focuse% on what the alchemists ha% to say a$out chaos. .he wor% for sealing a vacuum is hermetically sealing" an% it was the alchemists who actually con<ure% that wor%. 'o I thought0 What woul% the alchemists %o with 8acuum, .he thing is" I got a hol% of =aracelsus who" as far as I coul% see" was a total twit" like an arrogant i%iot. &ut what fascinate% me in rea%ing his stuff was" when he talks a$out healing" he was the first #erson to come u# with the notion that %iseases are things that ha##en to you. (e was the %a%%y of mo%ern me%icine. (e was a##arently a great #hysician. (e ha% lots of concoctions" he also use% a lot of chemicals. A(0 I have rea% that he sai%" when you re#eate%ly #oun% on a metal to make it thinner" you release the s#irit from the metal. 'o like succussion" ki%s twirling" 'ufis turning" it all li$erates the s#irit of the su$stance" an% (ahnemann use% that i%ea in his succussions. N10 (e also sai% that when you have %iseases that come u#on you" that ha##en to you" you use material su$stances. &ut when he talks of healing the soul" he sai% for real healing you nee% to ta# into the vacuum" which he also %escri$e% as the s#ace $etween heaven an% earth. I coul%n+t $elieve it. .he wor%s are all there0 the talk a$out the s#ace $etween heaven an% earth" the vacuum is the s#ace where the stars hang" an% you+ve got to $e a$le to ta# into that for real healing. .hen he sai% that the key to this coul% not $e given to or%inary #eo#le $ecause that woul% $ring chaos to the material worl%. .hat <ust ama9e% me. .he same man also %eteste% women" ha% an awful fear of women" hate% women" $ut he came u# with ama9ing stuff)as well as a lot of ru$$ish. It+s so e3citing when you come u# with $its like that. I was coming u# with some $i9arre things myself. Given that chaos was always so feare% an% now we+re living in an era where it has gotten acce#tance" what I su%%enly reali9e% was)you know how a lot of #ro#hets woul% #ro#hesy the coming of the Antichrist)may$e chaos is the Antichrist. &ut I actually think we+re at the stage of change. -haos is an acce#te% theory in mathematics an% science" $ut not in #ractical use. It hasn+t #enetrate% the material worl% as yet. I think until it+s integrate% we won+t have #eace. 2ou can tell that from your own life0 at what time in life %o you feel your life is richest, It+s when all the coinci%ences are working. 2ou %on+t get as far as or%er. 2ou know" you coul% sit here an% know you will get an ins#iration sometime $ecause you have %one so in the #ast. &ut you won+t say" *At ten #ast ten I will get an ins#iration.* .hat is chaos. .hat+s how homeo#athy works. (omeo#athy coul%n+t #ossi$ly work without it. Nothing coul% work without it. It+s the a$ility to work with all the minor changes an% une3#ecte% whatevers an% the a$ility to %o this is what makes your life richer" $eing a$le to #erceive an% work with that. I was thinking a$out the $ig $ang as a chaotic ran%om event. .here wasn+t some$o%y waving a wan% or %oing anything there. .he one thing I %i% acce#t %uring the #roving was the e3istence of '#irit $efore matter. When the man in the %ream tol% me how to make the reme%y" he tol% me not to worry a$out the alcohol filling the s#ace" that '#irit always fills the s#ace" going $ack to the #lace $efore there was matter" $efore you mattere%)an% that is where #ure love is. What I reali9e% is that it+s like '#irit e3iste%)an% I

have to %efine it as o##ortunistic '#irit" o##ortunistic $ecause of taking an o##ortunity when it arrives)an% it was like the o##ortunity of Go% or '#irit that was ca#a$le of utili9ing matter when matter $ecame manifest" as o##ose% to having create% matter. .he slight change of min% I ha% was that $eing in material form was what was im#ortant. I+ve always acce#te% that our s#irit has taken on form for this life. &ut it+s like what all those #rovers were theori9ing a$out" that we were %evelo#ing towar% something that+s a letting go of letting go. .hat+s actually may$e so" $ut it+s irrelevant at this moment. It+s like the more we can utili9e matter" the more we can %evelo# intelligence" rather than <ust knowing everything. .here+s a %ifference $etween $eing all knowing an% $eing intelligent" $ecause intelligence can %o an% can create an% I reali9e that creation can only ha##en when you+re in a material form. 1ven #eo#le who %ie an% nee% something to $e sorte% out" nee% to communicate to someone who is in a $o%y. ;ike" they can+t %o it. When I %i% the #roving I ha% a %ifferent take on it an% it ma%e a lot of sense to me since then. 4y hea% woul% win% u# thinking a$out it. ;ike the $ig $ang" you have all the theories a$out whether it comes to a stan%still or colla#ses $ack into its original kin% of form. I was thinking" there+s some scientist in America whom I was rea%ing a$out who claims that there are some #arts of the universe in which time is going $ackwar%s. Now the thing is" if you have time going $ackwar%s it means that you get younger. &ut what also ha##ens is that the %ea% come $ack to life. Cn the >ay of Ju%gment every$o%y rises out of his or her grave. If we look at it from the scientific #oint of view" that is the only time that this coul% ha##en. .he other thing that fascinate% me was" I have a fa$ulous love for archaeologists. I %eci%e% that archaeologists were the saviors of the worl%" li$erating #eo#le $y %igging everything u#. We %on+t nee% to hang on to these #asts. We can li$erate them" an% %igging them u# is one way of li$erating us from the #ast. It+s giving us our history on a #latter an% then we can let go of it. Cf course anything hi%%en in our #ersonal lives is a #ro$lem. It+s goo% to $ring it out into the %aylight an% it+s gone. I always figure% the same #atterns" like fractals" manifest re#eate%ly" through an% through an% through. It+s the same thing in a culture on a larger scale. I remem$er <ust $efore the 8acuum #roving" I was watching a #rogram where a woman was $eing %ug u# in the G''R" some acci%ental fin%. It ma%e me think of the chaotic nature of archaeology. 'he coul% have $een there for another thousan% years. It+s #ure acci%ent. What le% the #erson who foun% her to that s#ot, What fascinate% me es#ecially at the time an% later %uring the 8acuum #roving was" at the time they were %igging her u#" in that area" loa%s of #eo#le who %i%n+t know a$out the %ig" were %reaming that their ancestors were $eing u#roote%. .hey ha% lots of imagery in their %reams along that line. .o me that+s a very healthy %ream: it+s u#rooting the #ast an% letting it go. When they rushe% her u# to 4oscow there was an u#roar $ecause the local #eo#le wante% her $ack. .hey were %escen%ants of whatever tri$e an% wante% her re$urie% where she came from. A com#romise was reache% an% she en%e% u# in a local museum. I was thinking" they %on+t know how lucky they were that this woman was u#roote% $ecause the reality of this worl% now is that any$o%y who still tries to maintain a tri$al life is wi#e% out. .he worl% has move% from there" an% there is no going $ack. What we+ve got is #ockets of #eo#le living in %ire #overty" living like a 9oo for other #eo#le. I figure #eo#le are $etter off letting go if they can" if the o##ortunity arrives. ;et go" move

on an% try to %o it with love. 7orget all the $ullshit of going $ack to the gol%en age. We+re actually moving on. A(0 2ou $etter get on the $us. N10 I always felt like that" $ut %uring the 8acuum #roving I saw a reason for it. It may not $e a reason at all" $ut that+s how it a##eare% to me. A(0 7rom rea%ing a$out 7ire" Am$er" 4ar$le" Granite an% ;imestone" I have a sense that you are somehow hooke% u# with time. .he Am$er #roving felt to me to $e a view into some sort of archaic matriarchy" an% in the notion of the chaos an% the feminine" it+s somehow connecte% to 8acuum. It+s as if there is something you have that you are $ringing in with you" that is going to allow us to have a notion of time an% culture an% how each of us is #erha#s #artially stuck in an archaic lifetime" from which we nee% li$eration $ecause of it+s atavistic nature. N10 .hat+s something of the way I feel" that we have every single e3#erience in us. I go with the i%ea that we have the same sort of #attern re#eating all the way through. If you look at any$o%y+s life from conce#tion to %eath" looking at the #rocess of evolution" there are #eak #oints of change. .here are huge changes at #u$erty)a chil% is $eing #ro#elle% into a%ulthoo%" like it or not. .his ties into the i%ea of miasms $ecause of what I got fascinate% with %uring the Granite #roving. I %i% a retake on miasms at that time. I+m very into astrology. I %i% a chart for 1B E" the year sy#hilis a##eare% in 1uro#e. We+re talking a$out a #erio% in history when huge changes were taking #lace in science)the Renaissance)massive changes were taking #lace. We+re in it again. 'y#hilis was running ram#ant. It+s <ust a %isease: it+s <ust a sym#tom of a letting go of something" of a tug of war. When you get a time of great change" you get a tug of war" a %esire to go $ack" yet $eing #ro#elle% forwar%. It+s the same thing at #u$erty. -hil%ren only have #ro$lems if they %on+t allow themselves to go with the change. It+s the same thing at meno#ause. We+re trying to hol% on to what we+ve got instea% of seeing the change an% going with it. .he worl% gives itself a har% time" too. I looke% at the chart of 1B E an% to my ama9ement" =luto ha% <ust come into 'cor#io an% all of the outer #lanets were in or a$out to come into -a#ricorn. In 1 HB when AI>' ha% <ust $ecome a $ig #ro$lem here" =luto ha% <ust come $ack into 'cor#io an% all the outer #lanets were in -a#ricorn. .he astrological configurations were virtually i%entical for $oth of these #erio%s of time. We coul% go 1AA years %own the line an% talk a$out the AI>' miasm. I woul% actually like to call miasms $y the ages in which they were ram#ant. 'y#hilis" the Renaissance miasm: AI>'" whatever you coul% call this time. .his change has $een escalating for the #ast num$er of years. .hey+re $oth consi%ere% to $e se3ually transmitte% %iseases. We+ve got =luto in 'cor#io. Also" we+re going through huge changes" we+re living with high levels of ra%iation. When I finishe% with the Granite #roving I was won%ering if there is any way I coul% look at this #ositively" instea% of" *Ch Go%" we+re all %oome%.* I talke% to anthro#ologists an% one sai% that #re)sy#hilis our structure was %ifferent from what it is now0 our $o%ies were much more hairy" soun%s an% visuals have gotten more refine% since then. 1arlier writings ha% %ifferent mentions of color. A(0 In .he C%yssey" (omer writes of *the wine %ark sea"* as if the 4e%iterranean were a totally %ifferent sha%e of $lue.

N10 =ink was %efine% as re%. If I+m treating someone homeo#athically" %o they go $ack to $eing more hairy an% more uncouth, No" they %on+t. .hey integrate it. If you treat a ki% <ust #ost)#u$erty" they %on+t go $ack to #re)#u$erty: they integrate what wasn+t integrate% $efore an% move on with it. 'o what we+re integrating is what our ancestors %i%n+t integrate in our family life. We+re %oing it all the time $y %eci%ing to flow more easily with life" allowing ourselves to let go" an% so on. 'ince we %o it in our own lives" it+s clear to me that we %o it with everything. If you talk a$out Am$er" the am$er is IA million years ol%. We weren+t aroun% then: the %inosaurs were. We integrate% the lot" un%ou$te%ly in s#irit form. We were there. It+s a funny thing a$out time. .ime went com#letely askew in the 8acuum #roving. .ime %oes e3ist" $ut %uring the 8acuum #roving it a##eare% not to. .he e3#erience of the 8acuum was like e3#eriencing every minute of your life at the same time. 'ome$o%y sai% since then that when we %ie we incarnate $ack the other way. &ut we %on+t. We+re in the $ig $ang an% what ha##ens is things grow ol% an% they %ie. .his $ig $ang itself is growing ol%. We might go $ack the other way" if it goes that way. A(0 &ut we won+t know till we get there. N10 &ut we %o hol% the memory in every cell in our $o%y" of everything in the #ast" of everything that has ever $een. (ow %o you come u# with something so a$sur% in the ;imestone #roving" where I ha% memories of $eing in the 'outhern states of America an% the slave tra%e" an% of $eing in Africa, It+s not my #ersonal memory" $ut it is a memory. I may have $een there in a #ast life $ut it+s irrelevant. What is relevant is that that+s a memory of the whole human race. =eo#le can look at my #rovings an% it can look chaotic. 4y first #rovings were Granite" 4ar$le an% ;imestone. 'o" #eo#le thought I was a rock #erson. .hen I %i% 7ire an% then last year I %i% 'an%stone as well. 7or me an% where I+m going an% what I+m thinking an% %oing" they have a #rogression. .hat+s #ro$a$ly $ecause I+ve %one them out of %reams. A %ream or something hit me in the face an% I can+t #ull away. 1ven some of the #rovings I %i%n+t #ersonally resonate with. I %i%n+t #articularly resonate with the 4ar$le" $ut it amuse% me to %o it. It <ust %i%n+t hol% any water for me so to s#eak. &ut I was clearly connecte% to the -herno$yl ki%s. A(0 A$out the 4ar$le, N10 .here is incre%i$le heat" #ressure an% intensity when the mar$le is forme%" turning limestone into mar$le. &efore I %i% the 4ar$le" the man who comes into my %reams gave me a lecture a$out mar$le an% the #eo#le who ha% $een affecte% $y ra%iation. (e sai% that the heat an% intensity an% #ressure changing limestone to mar$le)$oth are calcium car$onates)is the e3act same #rocess when someone is e3#ose% to ra%iation. 4ar$le is metamor#hic. What ha##ens to someone e3#ose% to ra%iation is that they get an incre%i$le amount of heat. .he calcium in the $o%y changes an% they $ecome metamor#hic versions of what they were initially. When you get the #eri#heral effect of ra%iation" Granite is the reme%y. &ut he sai% if some$o%y has $een left with the ra%iation" an% the changes have taken #lace" then they nee% the 4ar$le. (e sai%" *;ook at white mar$le0 it crum$les easily" it+s translucent.* I woul% say $loo%less as well. (e sai%" *;ook at the chil%ren of -herno$yl. .hey are white an% translucent" they crum$le from the insi%e. Ra%iation affects you from the insi%e out. ;ook at mar$le)it is only the shine on the surface that kee#s it together. An% it+s the same as the ki%s.*

2ou get a lovely #icture as well from the ki%s. Cn the #sychological level when some$o%y starts feeling that they have nothing on the insi%e" what they start to %o is make themselves a show#iece an% it+s $ecause of an intense nee% to $e taken care of. 'o 4ar$le feels that the only thing they can offer is to $e $eautiful" graceful" charming an% every$o%y will love them an% take care of them)that ty#e of thing. .hat+s what 4ar$le is a$out an% that is what ha##ens after some$o%y is severely affecte% $y ra%iation. .he first thought I ha% when I looke% at white mar$le is that it+s com#letely $loo%less. 2ou look at granite an% you can see there+s #assion in it)the $loo% is there" the fire is there" $ut it+s rock soli%. A(0 Go $ack" with that" to 8acuum. N10 When someone comes to you for homeo#athic treatment" they have #ro$lems. With 8acuum" the s#ace you are treating is actually the s#ace where some$o%y is lost $etween two worl%s. .he material worl% has $ecome meaningless yet they can+t attain the other one. Gltimately the connection is ma%e with a threa% that seems to $ring the two together" to actually integrate them. 'o you coul% actually allow love an% e3#erience an% the all knowing %imension into this life an% $ring meaning $ack into life. &ring the two %imensions together. .here is an a#ocaly#tic view of that in the 8acuum #roving. (eaven is coming $ack to earth an% all hell is going to $reak loose. .he #ositive si%e is that they are integrate%. We integrate our heaven an% hell" our heaven an% earth. We actually get to live a full life here where it has meaning an% where we can $e intelligent. I+ve never met an intelligent ghost yet? We can $e in our s#irit an% know everything" $ut not $e intelligent. We have to $e in a $o%y to $e intelligent. I see this as a crucial factor. We can+t have meaning in this life unless we recogni9e our s#irit" $ecause the s#irit #art is the one that+s growing. A(0 >o you think that these reme%ies are $eing #re#are% for the new millennium, >o you see that there is a #rogression in terms of reme%ies" an evolution if you will" that will hel# us navigate this ne3t time, N10 2es" a$solutely. A(0 Is that in your min% when you are thinking these things through, N10 We+re living in a %ifferent life" we+re living in a %ifferent worl%. In a hun%re% years or so" there will $e %ifferent #ro$lems. I su##ose that I+m an eternal o#timist" so the thing is" there is always a #art of me that looks for meaning. I try to consi%er what the #ositive si%e is to all these trou$ling %evelo#ments. .ake ra%iation)we live all the time with this stuff. >o we have some higher #art of ourselves that calls the shots an% su$<ects us to this, If we go @AA years %own the line an% look $ack on this era" we may $e very %ifferent #hysically from what we are now. An% #eo#le may not want to go $ack to what we are now. We+ve create% the means to achieve that. What I+ve gathere% from looking at the effect of ra%iation (forget a$out the illnesses) is that it certainly has $een suggeste% that #eo#le get taller. I saw a #a#er a$out Ja#an an% the average height has increase% two inches since the +BAs. A(0 .he Ja#anese #ostwar $reakfast syn%rome. N10 In the #a#er they mentione% %iet" $ut no$o%y mentione% Nagasaki an% (iroshima as a #ossi$le factor. In the %ream I ha%" it sai% that the #eo#le in -onnemara are taller than anywhere else in Irelan%. -onnemara has high levels of natural ra%iation: that+s where the mar$le comes from.

I was on a train from >u$lin an% there was an el%erly woman across from me who felt sorry for me" for not having anything to rea%. I like to sort of s#ace out on trains" sitting an% looking out. 'he han%e% me a co#y of (ello maga9ine" something I woul%n+t or%inarily rea%. .here was a #age that sto##e% me %ea% in my tracks. .here was a flower show in 1nglan% an% there was a water lily with a long stem that won first #ri9e)an a$solutely gorgeous lily. 1nglan% was e3cite% a$out it $ecause now there are water lilies that can $e use% as cut flowers. At the $ottom was a $it a$out the man who grew this lily" who sai% he grew it in a tank of wastewater from a nuclear #ower station. 'o I thought0 .aller: an% my min% went on this $i9arre thing0 >o we $ecome taller an% have the same num$er of cells, Are we #hysically going to s#ace out a $it more, I ha% this notion that we+% have the same num$er of cells $ut they woul% $e farther a#art. .hat was #retty fanciful" $ut that was the way my hea% was working. I was thinking what kin%s of changes are taking #lace in our min%s. We+ve ha% a lot of changes in the last half)century" not the least #sychologically. If you rea% some of the ol% esoteric $ooks" it+s like they sto# at a certain #oint. .hey sto##e% at 'aturn if you like. I always ha% the image that there were certain #eo#le who see over the wall an% #ast %eath) the #riests an% #oets. 'u%%enly we come to the last half of the century" 1 !A or whatever" when -hiron was %iscovere%" an% all of a su%%en there+s an increase of #eo#le who coul% see over the wall" see $eyon%. 'u%%enly #eo#le aren+t talking a$out Go% anymore. We ha% $een at a #oint where everything was attri$ute% to Go%. Now we+ve come into an era where we still like the i%ea of Go%" $ut Go% is a #art of ourselves" rather than u# there. .hat+s a huge thing. .his goes $ack to what I was saying a$out miasms" a$out 1B E an% sy#hilis. .his was a revolutionary time in terms of scientific thought an% so on. .his is where I %rew the #arallel $etween the two eras. 4any changes were taking #lace in thinking. 4ay$e sy#hilis was a sym#tom of the conservative #ull $ack" as AI>' may $e now. I also think we coul% $e %ishing u# ourselves with things that facilitate the ra#i% change. .here will always $e casualties when change takes #lace. =eo#le will %ie: loa%s of #eo#le %ie% with sy#hilis or were maime%. We+ve got whatever comes after that" an% are trying to integrate that in terms of our history. 2ou see a tug of war now in the worl%" trying to hol% $ack. What we+ve got to %o is change our values as well as everything else. 8alues are what always change through history: then the #hysical will change as well. A(0 .he giant $a$ies. .he long stemme% lilies. N10 'omeone aske% me if I associate% myself with the ancient tra%ition of women healers. 4y answer was0 Go%" no? A$solutely not? .hat+s gone. We+re actually going somewhere else. What interests me in mythology is that so many of the myths were #re%ictions for the future" rather than some notion of what ha% $een. When in history has anyone ha% the a$ility to #ro%uce an animal that is two animals com$ine%, We+re there" now? A(0We may have $een there $efore as well. N10 Gn%ou$te%ly. &ut the thing is we+re there again. .here is an a$sur%ity to it. 4ay$e it+s that we+re afrai% of it $ecause it goes against what we #erceive in life. In anything in life there will $e a $a% si%e of something as well as a #ositive si%e. .he $a% si%e will always come from gree%" from not $eing in touch with our soul. &ut when we are in touch with that %imension of ourselves" we+ll never $e a$le to %o wrong. When we are in touch with our souls we+ll never $e a$le to %o wrong. Cur soul is the reason we are %oing

everything that we are %oing. We" as our $o%ies" are going to %ie" we+ll $e outta here. An% when we+re outta here" this life will $e <ust another lesson an% something that hel#s us as we #rogress an% come $ack as another one. An% we+ll give ourselves another har% time $ecause we %i%n+t %o it right this time" or whatever. We+ll %o what we %o. I feel like" if everything can $e scanne% $y our s#irit $efore we %o it" we can never $e #ut wrong. .here+s nothing on earth that coul% ever $e %one without love. I think the worl% has lost that tem#orarily. &ut what+s fun is that I think we+re coming into a #erio% where science an% s#irituality have to marry. .here+s no$o%y more s#iritual than some of the $iggest scientists in the worl%. It+s $een like e3#eriencing the totality of everything $ack from the $eginning straight on through. It was like that with 4um. 'he ha% to fin% the meaning in her life an% the 8acuum allowe% her to %o it. I remem$er thinking0 It+s $a%" $a% with #eo#le my age who can+t %o it well $y this #oint. It+s $a% if you can+t sit there an% look at your own life with a##reciation. I was watching my stu%ents" an% they are an ama9ing $unch of #eo#le" an% I thought0 I really %i% it? I was really gla% to $e a$le to %o that $ecause I tol% myself at the time0 if I+m aroun% at HE without having vali%ate% my life" what ha##ens if I %on+t have me to sort it out for me, Arrogance is a #ro%uct of a ma<or insecurity" a ma<or self)hate $ecause arrogance is a #ro%uct of nee%ing to #ut some$o%y else %own so that you can feel $etter. If you can really a##reciate yourself an% love what you+re a$out" love what you are %oing" you cannot #ossi$ly not give that to every$o%y else. &ecause love of everyone has to $e inclu%e% in an a##reciation of a$solutely every$o%y else. A(0 &ecause of your a$ility to integrate it as you go along" %oes it allow you the a$ility to kee# it all in #ers#ective an% a##reciate it, N10 A$solutely. An% it allows you to go forwar% $ecause it allows you to take the ne3t ste#s on. A(0 .he course is clear. I+ve $een stu%ying 8e%ic astrology" which is a s#iritual science" from an ol% tra%ition of ver$al transmission. When I stu%y homeo#athy from a $ook" it %oesn+t get in" the way it %oes when I am listening to a teacher. I won%er if homeo#athy is a s#iritual science with a ver$al tra%ition gone $ookish, N10 A$solutely. I have a slightly %ifferent take $ecause of my fascination with chaos theory. If you+re listening to someone who is a really goo% s#eaker it+s way %ifferent than when someone rea%s from notes)you can fall aslee#. It was my son" ;uke" who has a =h> in math who tol% me what ha##ens in that situation. I reckon that I+m a goo% s#eaker. I get goo% fee%$ack. I+m always #etrifie% $efore I start talking" I+ve never lost that. Cne of the reasons is that I+ve always <u%ge% myself. I+ve got to $e like other s#eakers who #re#are notes $efore they talk. &ut I coul%n+t %o that. What I %o over the months is #lay in my hea% with every as#ect of what I+m going to talk a$out. I write %own a wor% to remin% myself of themes an% then forget those when I+m halfway through. If I were to talk a$out 8acuum on ten %ifferent occasions" it woul% $e a %ifferent talk each time" $ut each time I think the au%ience woul% gras# what 8acuum was a$out. ;uke sai% to me that that+s chaos theory" that+s the way it works. It+s only with the utili9ation of chaos that you woul% #ick u# the virtually im#erce#ti$le changes in the au%ience. ;et yourself get in tune with the au%ience. If you #re#are% a s#eech" you woul%n+t get in tune with anything" you+% never notice the changes in the au%ience. It woul% still hol% the essence" $ut it might not $e the right talk for that au%ience at that

time. When you say a few wor%s" more wor%s come. .hat was a funny thing in the 8acuum #roving. =eo#le foun% it %ifficult to get the wor%s out" %ifficult to communicate. A(0 When you s#eak e3tem#oraneously" you allow for the ins#iration to come in. N10 .his is the a##reciation of chaos. 2ou can never #lan it. 2ou go on a roll with it. 2ou can+t #lan what+s going to come out of your mouth. 2ou can #resume that it will $ecause it has %one so $efore" $ut you can+t #lan it. .hat+s chaos at work. A(0With the a%vent of all this ra%iation" it has o#ene% things u# a $it so you can get taller lilies" $igger $a$ies" an% more s#ace. It+s allowing may$e" for more room for the other si%e to enter into everything, N10 2es. 'omething like that. When I starte% working with the ki%s from -herno$yl seven years ago" treating someone who has $een affecte% $y ra%iation is not like treating some$o%y who eats too much chocolate. 2ou give a reme%y for someone who eats too much chocolate an% they go off chocolate" or manage it" or %o this or that or the other an% they can give it u#. .here+s no such thing as giving u# ra%iation. 'o there is a choice here. .hrow in the towel an% say that we+ve all ha% it" or you can say0 (ow %o we live with the stuff, -an we actually integrate it into our lives, Now we can certainly work at asking them to sto# continuing what they are %oing. &ut even there we+ve got a $it of a #ro$lem. .here+s no technology to un%o what+s $een %one. 1nclosing everything in concrete isn+t the answer" it only %isintegrates. 'o whatever way we look at it" we+re living in a more ra%ioactive worl%. I+m not con%oning what has $een %one" an% I encourage #eo#le to try to sto# the e3#ansion. &ut can we live with this stuff, -an we live a healthy life" ask ourselves gently to incor#orate it in our lives, Cr %o we throw in the towel an% %eci%e we+ve ha% it, With that attitu%e I walke% into working with the ki%s who were seriously affecte% $y ra%iation from -herno$yl. I was aske% if I fancie% working with one or two ki%s for si3 months. &ut that+s an a$sur%ity. What can you tell at the en% of si3 months, What I agree% to in the #rogram was that we $rought the ki%s in for si3 months at first an% saw them twice a year for the ne3t cou#le of years. We woul% go out there an% then $ring them in again each year" an% twice a year we went out there to see the ki%s an% work with them on that $asis. All the ki%s we got at that time were 1A year ol%s. I wante% to work with those ki%s for at least five years $ecause I wante% to go through their #u$erty. .here+s a lot of leukemia" a lot of cancer" thyroi% cancer an% a lot of these were $ecoming manifest at #u$erty when more changes take #lace. 'o it was the most sensi$le thing to %o" to work with a $unch of ki%s over a #erio% of time. It was a two)way thing: I saw it clearly an% straightforwar%ly as research. It wasn+t like a charity thing" as in" well I %o like to hel# #eo#le out" $ut I %on+t have that charita$le mentality" that *we+re going to sort out everyone+s #ro$lems.* I ran it as a *we+ll %o a %eal here0 we+ll work with these #eo#le: I know homeo#athy can %o it: $ut then I get to monitor what ha##ens.* &ecause we all have it. What ha##ene% there is the intense version of what the rest of us are living with all the time. I ha% alrea%y worke% with the #ro$lem of ra%iation" #eri#herally" with what+s #o#ularly calle% 4.1. syn%rome. I+ve $een working with that an% using Granite over a #erio% of time. A lot of #eo#le got the flu after -herno$yl an% %evelo#e% 4.1. as a conseFuence of that. (eavy %uty. When I starte% working with the ki%s" Granite was the only reme%y I

coul% use. If you rea% my intro%uction to 4ar$le" that has the %ream an% the story a$out the ki%s at that time. .hen it was the Fuestion a$out what was going to ha##en when they go $ack there" go $ack to eating ra%ioactive foo% in a ra%ioactive environment. It was ama9ing)the ki%s hel% u#. .here were slum#s" $ut they came $ack u#. I coul% only treat it initially as an e#i%emic0 it was the same across the $oar%. 4y gut tol% me that when treating in an e#i%emic manner" to know if the thing ha% worke%" I ha% to get to a #oint where I coul% see very strong in%ivi%ual constitutions an% to know the #erson $ehin% this over)wash. We starte% treating constitutionally two an% three years ago" an% like everything in homeo#athy" everything worke% on every level. .he will was gone out of the country" %es#air was $ig time" the economy fell out of the $ottom straight after -herno$yl. .hey+re in hell. .he a##earance of them was %efinitely ra%ioactive. 2ou never %evelo# a #hysical com#laint without the mental eFuivalent" whether it+s an acute or anything else. .hat+s the way it goes. .he %es#air was there" as well as the theme in the Granite #roving that there+s no tomorrow. 'o it+s irrelevant where it was coming from" it was there in the #eo#le. Granite #lain an% sim#ly worke%? We now have a very %ynamic $unch of ki%s who are not only healthy $ut see a #ur#ose in their lives" see a meaning in their lives an% aren+t the em#ty shells that they once were. I kee# u# contact with the ki%s. I+m $ringing them in again ne3t year an% I+m actually going there this summer. .hey are all coming u# on 1H. 4y #lan is ne3t year" to $ring them over with their mothers for a cou#le of months an% connect u# an% see what+s $een ha##ening with everyone. 8ery shortly after we first ha% the ki%s over" a year after" a $unch of %octors got intereste%" from &elarus. .hey were really im#resse% an% wante% to know more. .hey met u# with my hus$an% Jack an% 'u9anne an% -laire" a cou#le of other homeo#aths that were there then" an% wante% to know more. .hey rang me in Irelan%. I %o everything imme%iately an% I+m a very Fuick thinker" so I thought if they want to know more a$out homeo#athy" they must start in Irelan%" not &elarus. 4y thinking was if they are going to work with #eo#le out there" their #erce#tion of health is a lot %ifferent than it is here. 1very$o%y there is unhealthy" the level is lower. 'o the only #eo#le who are taken seriously are the #eo#le who have serious com#laints" which means that there is no #reventative treatment $eing %one. 'o" the %octors came to Irelan% an% they can look at &elarus from the outsi%e an% see whatever we see an% take that as a starting #oint. I went everywhere to get the fun%ing to $ring them in. I $rought them to the school an% we %i% a lot of homeo#athy together. I got them to look an% they coul% really see it. I+ll never forget a statement one of the %octors sai%" something a$out the first e3#erience of real love an% how he ho#e% he coul% $ring it $ack to &elarus. Getting the fun%ing is the har% work of it" trying to get the money to %o this. At the same time I want them to learn homeo#athy for real. Cne of the mothers" 'vetlana" ha% goo% 1nglish an% we a%o#te% her an% she $ecame our official inter#reter. 'he was getting more an% more into homeo#athy" an% I sai%" *Why %on+t you come u# here for four years an% stu%y homeo#athy $ecause some$o%y has to $e #ro#erly traine% in homeo#athy,* 'he came over an% she+s now %oing the #ost gra%" an% she+s $rilliant. (er son is going to school an% he goes home for three months every summer. I take a #ersonal res#onsi$ility for him. (e+s such a #art of my own family" 'asha.

We+% %one that $ack an% forth with the %octors an% so now we can %o more with them over there $ecause now I have a $rilliant inter#reter who not only un%erstan%s homeo#athy" $ut un%erstan%s me an% all my $i9arreness. A(0 An% she also un%erstan%s the min% of the #eo#le there. N10 I listene% to her last year when she was talking to the %octors an% I coul% tell from her e3#ressions that she inter#rete% my humor. 'he got me to a *..* .he whole thing was there an% I knew at once that the #oint ha% $een ma%e. Cur si3 %octors have now increase% to D@. I %o a seminar there in two weeks time an% Re$ecca =reston is coming over with me. Irelan% is so small that I %on+t vi%eo cases over here" so 'vetlana is hel#ing me with that over there. We now have %octors vi%eoing %octors. .he #hiloso#hy was the %ifficult #art without an inter#reter who coul% get a han%le on it. In &elarus the #overty has gotten worse an% worse over time. .here are so many #eo#le without" trying to come u# with a $it of money. 2ou can see the #ri%e. I never saw #eo#le $egging for money" $ut they woul% $arter things to get a $it of carrot or #lums. In &elarus" it+s very interesting" they are surroun%e% $y mar$le an% granite. It ha% $een a wealthy area of the G''R an% all the government $uil%ings are ma%e from those rocks. I actually want to see the chil%ren" who are now nearly a%ults" when they have chil%ren of their own. 4y #lan is to go over every two years. 4y energy has $een focusing on the %octors an% kee#ing an eye on the chil%ren for our an% their $enefit. Cne of the realities that ha##en is that" $efore it starts" $efore you ma# it out" you %on+t reali9e the relationshi#s that grow)lots an% lots of caring an% frien%s. &ecause of the economy of their country an% how it has gone" it+s awfully im#ortant for them to feel that there+s some$o%y out there who actually cares" to know that they+re there. It+s a lifeline for them to know that actually ha##ens. A(0 Are you $ringing com#uter technology with you or is it all $ooks, N10 Re$ecca =reston is $ringing com#uter technology with her. We have <ust gotten a com#uter there an% at least one com#uter #ackage. I %on+t use a com#uter myself. A(0 2ou %on+t, N10 No. I+m a $it la9y. Anyway" I %on+t like the things. I+% un%ou$te%ly %o it if I %i%n+t have a hus$an% who woul% %o anything for me an% that+s one of the things he %oes. I coul% never see the reason for me to use a com#uter for re#ertori9ing a case. When I sit %own an% analy9e a case" an% contem#late it for a time: an% I+ve got whatever is essentially the case an% a cou#le of ru$rics. Well" it takes a minute to look it u#. &y the time you get the com#uter #lugge% in an% set u#" it will $e %one. 7rom the #oint of view of other information I %o fin% them fascinating an% useful: an% certainly that+s so when my stuff is #ut together. &ut I+ve always $een the ty#e of #erson who %oes that free. When I nee% to know anything that+s going on in the worl%" I ask Jack. .here are times I <ust want to get away from news. I %on+t know if I mentione% this yester%ay in relation to 8acuum. .here+s an area where I+m convince% 8acuum coul% $e an ama9ing reme%y. .his is when you get" #articularly" young #eo#le who s#en% all their time on the com#uter an% who sto# relating to the outsi%e worl% an% live in virtual reality. .he 8acuum is so full of virtual reality" virtual #articles" virtual everything. .ake the image of a ki% who more an% more sto#s relating to the worl%" all communication is over the internet" stuff like that)I woul% $et anything on it" that 8acuum woul% $e a goo% reme%y. A(0 .hink of vacuum tu$es an% ol% ra%ios. (ave you %one any reme%ies since 8acuum,

N10 .here+s one coming u# in 'e#tem$er. 51%itor+s note0 I #artici#ate% in the 'e#tem$er #roving an% it was an e3traor%inary e3#erience with a magnificent su$stance. 'tay tune%.6 .here are other #rovings I haven+t #ut into #rint yet. We+re in a 9ero)9ero year" the one that %oesn+t e3ist? A(0 It+s the vacuum? N10 .here+s even $een the %ilemma of when the millennium actually e3ists $ecause there was never a year 9ero. A(0 2ou mentione% that you ha% %one a #roving of &utterfly. Are you familiar with Nancy (errick+s #roving of it an% are your results similar, N10 What I coul% see clearly was the mi%%le chil% syn%rome" the chil% that has $een ignore% more or less. .he #erson who feels that they really have something in there to offer an% they+re not a$le to. ;ike" I know I+ve got it in there an% it can+t come out. It+s $ecause they+ve never $een a##reciate%. With &utterfly it was a feeling of insignificance. When you look at a $utterfly they are $eautiful" $ut what I reali9e% was that $utterflies %on+t feel that themselves. What #eo#le on &utterfly felt was that they were an insignificant insect" an% ugly" an% they lacke% color. .he #eo#le were %es#erate to $ring color into their lives. ;ike they woul% start to try to fin% clothes that gave the e3ternal a##earance of what they felt they ha% insi%e $ut coul%n+t e3#ress. It+s ty#ical of the mi%%le chil%)they never shine. A(0 I won%er if that correlates to what Jeremy 'herr sai% a$out (elium an% Neon) trou$le fin%ing their life+s #ur#ose, I won%er if this coul% $e a com#onent of these new millennium reme%ies, Is &utterfly one of them, .his new s#ee%e%)u#" mo%ern high tech life is leaving some #eo#le $ehin% an% they are never a$le to come into themselves an% their reason for $eing here, N10 It+s all to %o with %ifferent levels. 2ou can get reme%ies an% see com#arisons. 4y least favorite reme%ies are the animals. I mean that in a $roa% sense $ecause I love the animal reme%ies" I love all the reme%ies when they are a##ro#riate. I love a reme%y that works. In the animal #roving I coul% see that the area it %eals with is the area of survival. 2ou+re actually getting a survival #attern. When we get an in%ivi%ual coming to us whose issue is survival" it woul% generally $e an animal. &ut $ecause of the way I think" it goes a $it $roa%er than that. 2ou look at some of the other reme%ies" an% you see grou#s of #eo#le" you see a nation" you can see an evolution. 2ou %on+t look at ;achesis an% %eci%e that a certain country nee%s ;achesis. In%ivi%uals in any country will nee% ;achesis if that is the #articular mo%e of survival. .he same with &utterfly. 2ou+re hitting on a mo%e of survival that certain in%ivi%uals will resonate with. 'ome of the reme%ies have $een a ste# $ack into this thing" like 7o3 an% -hicken an% &utterfly. 7o3 came u# for me at a time when I nee%e% to take care of my own material survival an% I %i% the 7o3 #roving $ecause I nee%e% a $it more 7o3 in my life to get ri% of some of my naivetJ: as #art of my own #rocess. .here+s $een a 9ig9agging. (ang on" are you forgetting to take care of yourself" you+ve got to wake u# an% see things coming. 7o3 was a wake u# call. -hicken was a #ure in%ulgence. I actually got the i%ea to %o -hicken while I was %oing the 7o3 #roving. A(0 2ou got hungry, N10 It was a $eautiful little reme%y as well. A(0 >i% you use fo3 milk,

N10 &loo%. I wante% to use $loo%. I feel that the milk of the animal is the nurturing area. .he $loo% goes everywhere in the $o%y an% contains the whole vital force. An% $ecause fo3es are connecte% with $loo% s#orts an% stuff like that. I ha%n+t any i%ea how I woul% get a fo3. .here is no #art of me that woul% kill an animal to %o a #roving. I %eci%e% that I wante% to get a live" healthy fo3 an% in a nice way get a few %ro#s of $loo%: then to treat the animal with Aconite afterwar%s for whatever fright I ha% cause%. I have a frien% who I call 4r. 7i3 It. (e can hel# with anything. A cou#le of %ays after I rang him u#" he came u# with a fo3 in a cage. I then rang u# 7ergus" an ol% stu%ent who is a 8et. I $ought a steak for the fo3 as well" $ut she was too frightene% to eat it. 7ergus #ut a mu99le on her" took her out of the cage" -laire hel% her an% 7ergus with%rew some $loo%. I wante% to let her go in a #lace where she coul% $e free" yet fin% some #rotection. We %rove her to the &urren an% let her go in a goo% s#ot. Went home an% felt guilty0 Ch my Go%" what am I to %o, I+m interfering with Nature" what right %o I have..., .hat night I ha% a %ream where I was out on the &urren an% I was watching our fo3 run across the &urren" an% in my %ream she met a mate an% I woke u# real ha##y. .hen" a fo3 a##eare% in reality right outsi%e my win%ow? A(0 When %i% you start .he &urren 'chool" an% how %i% you come to homeo#athy for yourself" initially, N10 I starte% the school in 1 A. What I felt was that Irelan% nee%e% a school an% I+% $een #racticing since 1 HA an% felt we nee%e% a school here. I #laye% with the i%ea in my hea% for a while. I felt the school ha% to $e com#ati$le with Irelan%. I first ran across homeo#athy in ;on%on an% it was like when you say" *Wow?* .hat+s what I was looking for an% I <ust ate it u#. A(0 Never looke% $ack, N10 A$solutely. A(0 What %o you see for homeo#athy in the future an% for the school, N10 4y ho#es an% wishes are that we always maintain the integrity that we have in the #rofession at the moment an% the truths that are there" an% that we %on+t confine ourselves $ecause homeo#athy is only $eginning to o#en u#. It+s coming out of the woo%work in a %ifferent way an% we+re taking it into the E1st century. (owever much we know" we+re still at the $eginning. We+ll always have to kee# the o#enness to allow the e3#ansion. I ho#e we always kee# the creativity. I woul%n+t like to see se#aration coming into the fiel%)#harmacy se#arate% from #ractice" se#arate% from research" all $ecoming se#arate %e#artments. .hat+s one of the failings of the allo#athic #rofession. .he %octor may care a great %eal a$out the #atient $ut the #eo#le #ushing the me%icines %on+t. .he researcher never sees a #atient. We+re all very much in touch with #rovings an% #ractice now. I teach" I have a #ractice in homeo#athy" an% I %o research. I coul% never conceive of teaching unless I was #racticing" or researching. It+s im#ortant to kee# that integration. It+s im#ortant to kee# the #rofession holistic an% to kee# it honest. We remin% ourselves all the time that we %o care a$out our #atients. &ut you get glim#ses of how easy it is to %rift off. We all get very e3citing cases an% we all get very mun%ane cases" the kin% that are #erfectly normal. &ut once you get #re<u%ices against certain reme%ies or cases)like a case isn+t goo% enough unless it is rare an% #eculiar" say) then you+re %rifting off into massive intellectuali9ation. Any reme%y) 'ul#hur" -alcarea car$onica)is <ust as magic if it+s the right reme%y for that #erson. It+s im#ortant to always

kee# in sight of that. It+s the same with the #eo#le who come to us. 1ach #erson is <ust as magic as the ne3t. 1%itor+s Note0 Nuala 1ising+s #u$lishe% #rovings inclu%e0 Granite" 4ar$le" ;imestone: Ignis alcoholis (fire): 'uccinum (am$er): an% 8acuum. 7or those rea%ers who woul% like to rea% Nuala+s #rovings" they are availa$le through homeo#athic $ook su##liers an% the reme%ies are availa$le through (elios =harmacy in 1nglan%. Information a$out the &urren 'chool can $e o$taine% $y writing0 &urren 'chool of (omeo#athy" -aherawoneen" /invara" -ounty Galway" Irelan% 2ou may make a %onation to .he -herno$yl -hil%ren+s 7un% $y sen%ing a cheFue to the same a%%ress)an% #lease know that all fun%s raise% go %irectly to the #ro<ect" to the chil%ren an% the %octors who are involve%. Rowan Jackson" >C4." --(. After $ecoming an archaeologist in New 4e3ico in 1 !I" an% later #u$lishing *Nineteenth -entury* maga9ine" Rowan %iscovere% homeo#athy in 1 H1 an% $egan her stu%ies. Returning to 'anta 7e in 1 HI she recieve% her >.C. 4. an% $egan full time #ractice as a homeo#ath. 'he has ha% articles #u$lishe% in Resonance an% .he American (omeo#ath. ;iving an% #racticing in 'anta 7e" she en<oys green chile an% the challenges of gar%ening at !"AAA feet. 'he can $e reache% at RosieRowanaol. com Gra#hics from =aracelsus0 'electe% Writings" e%ite% $y Jolan%e Jaco$i" =rinceton0 &ollingen =ress.