A Controversy?

Native America – East or West?

Kanook
June – 2007

A couple of weeks ago I read a piece posted on the Web by Kurt Johnmann
that was written in December 1999, although it is a bit dated – according to
today’s interconnectivity I found it, if not interesting, something that must be
controversial in some circles. I not sure if it ever attained much fame or
notoriety and if it did not, it can be only that it is so wrong or maybe even
correct.
Very close to the end of the piece he quotes Vine Deloria Jr. as saying,

Scientists, and I use that word loosely as possible, are committed to the
view that Indians migrated to this country over an imaginary Bering Straits
bridge, which comes and goes at the convenience of the scholar requiring it
to complete his or her theory. Initially, at least, Indians are homogenous.
But there are also eight major-language families within the Western
Hemisphere, indicating to some scholars that if Indians followed the trend
that can be identified in other continents, then the migration went from East
to West; tourists along the Bering Straits were going to Asia, not migrating
from it!

Mr. Johnmann took almost 300 words to get to this part of his article, taking
his time along the way “putting the skids” on what many have people have
verified, the Ice Age(s). He bases his composition on a thought born from his
reading a book labeled, Cataclysm by D.S. Allan and J.B. Delar, whereas they
claimed that approximately 11,500 years ago a planent-sized object whizzed by
the earth, resulting in some sort of bombardment and causing the tilt of the
earth of its axis.1
Continuing he says there is no doubt that “something” must have happened
and he is buying into their theory rather than the common consensus of the Ice
Age having come to a close, or at least the climate warming up a bit causing

1
Science today (2009) is saying a large object exploded over the mid-western US/Canada during this time period

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the slow withdrawal of the billion/trillions of ice covering a great part of the
Northern Hemisphere.
Over time the Ice Age(s) have been studied and analyzed by too many
people, scientists to even imagine. Whereas they have established (or
theorized) that in some places (his examples), London and New York the ice
was up to 2-miles thick, whereas all this ice removed so much water from the
seas that the water level dropped over 450 feet – which in effect opened up the
various land-bridges around the globe.
According to some there is a phrase associated with the Ice Age(s) that I
had never come across before, the trinity of beliefs.

a. Much of Europe and North America were covered by massive ice sheets,
proof of this exists in the landscape they left behind when they crawled back
towards the Artic. Rock scars, and mounds of debris (gravel and movable
rocks).
b. Lower sea levels, and given their supposed thickness scientists are able
to calculate their affect on the seas.
c. This drop in sea level permitted the populating of America.

In his debunking of the Ice Age theory he agrees with the authors of
Cataclysm that the scratches/groves on rocks, and the material in “drift
deposits” to the movement of massive amounts of water – tsunamis so to
speak. Where the force of the water carrying along rocks that could cause the
deep groves found across the surface of the earth left by the retreating ice –
where did the water come from?
The planet-sized object, remember – whizzing by or exploding over it,
affected the earth gravitational and pull did some serious damage, one of
which was dragging a mass of water around the globe. I have a small problem
with this – think for a minute about the “scratches” in the rock surfaces
scattered across the globe, in most cases the scratches run north and south (in
the northern regions), now think lets assume the planet-sized object came out
of the south somewhere around 145º pulling or pushing an enormous wall of
water along with it, like the waves of a ship the water would peal away from it,
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that their could be a strong chance the water would thunder across hill and
dale, and if we assume that this 145º is correct it would have had to flow across
the Artic to cause the supposed marks in the land in northern Russia and
Scandinavia also – but are the marks consistent with the water flow?

The other question arises, where scientists today have found no evidence of
the ice coverage, we find no marks. Might be the ice melted a little too quickly.
Or the other answer might be the object came from a different direction, turned
around and came back on Tuesday.
I have no doubt that during the past numerous objects have either went
whizzing by or smacked dead on into our planet, too many finds, theories and
other messages point to this happening, I also buy into the theory that all of
Native America didn’t go to “Costco’s” or “Shoes of Us” and make a mass
purchase of sneakers and “sneak” across the Bering Land Bridge – although as

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a legitimate bridge evidence has been found and dated confirming its
existence.
Paleobiologist “Scott Elias” from the Artic and Alpine Research center of the
University of Colorado, and his colleagues obtained (core drilling) some “pure”
samples from beneath the Bering Sea and using a precise analytical process
have determined that there was grass and other scrubs growing on the land-
bridge some 11,000 years ago.
Recent (20 or so years) work in this field and others concerning human
migration demonstrates that humans have occupied this land as far back as
40,000 years ago (somewhere around April 15th) and that migrations came
from all over the joint. All kidding aside, in my opinion and with others who are
much more knowledgeable than I, site the numerous languages spoken on the
North and South American continents, as too many to just have developed over
the last 5,000 to 10,000 years, (Clovis dating) and as for the Ice Age(s), well
there is a boat load of information supporting their existence, just a real
shortage on why they developed as they did.
In his article (1999 remember) he relates that he searched the Internet for
anything on the level of sea changing, recalling he could find no real “physical
evidence” support this claim – I ran a quick search using “Google”, searching
for Ice Age Sea Level and got 1,290,000 hits, now granted I haven’t been to all
those sources and read what they have to say about “physical evidence”, but I
have (during the past couple of years or so) read articles that do provide
evidence that there was sea levels differences experienced over the past – one
only has to look at a chart (map) of the coastlines of the world to see the
evidence.
I ask, what about the locating of the submerged cities discovered by India’s
National Institute of Ocean Technology in the Gulf of Cambay at a dept of over
131 feet - ?2 Evidence later found dated the site to be around 9,500 years old,
and in 2006 some pottery located was dated as being 31,000 years old. And as
long as we’re asking the question, what about the tree stumps found over 200
feet deep in the Queen Charlotte Island – now what?
Kurt then took a look at the temperature factor, which as most of us have
been taught was the evil element behind the advancing ice – he quotes some
2
On May 19, 2001, India's science and technology minister Murli Manohar Joshi

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familiar numbers where it is written that some 20,000 years ago it ran around
5º to 7º C (9º to 12.6º F) colder than our current global average. And that in a
period of 5 to 10 thousand years it warmed up – and that the “most” popular
theory on the books for the warming was the change in the amount of sunlight
smacking into the earth caused by the slow variations in the “tilt” of the earth’s
axis and other things in our orbital travel. He continues on by stating these
astronomical variations by themselves cannot “totally” explain the cycles,
citing results obtained from various “mathematical” models that involved the
physical laws of the conservation of mass, energy and momentum have
suggested that the Ice Age should have been several degrees warmer than it is
said.
He also states (1999) that he was unable to locate any reference to any
computer models that supported the Ice Age theory – which by now 100s of not
1000s do – he relates that information available where it is written that an ice
sheet covered New York City, where today the average temperature is around
24º C (75.2º F) during the months of June, July and August and he did a quick
turn at comparing the 75.2º F minus 12.6º F and came up with the same thing
you and I would have, and average temperature of 62.6º F, not hardly cold
enough to create an ice sheet over the city.
Referring to Siberia, which has on average a temperature that is about 20º
C lower than that of New York City, he points out that at 39.2º F it is not
covered in a sheet of ice. He now concludes that the Ice Age theory is a
masterpiece in fiction, and that the people of the educated world have been
brainwashed. And it is at this point he addresses the political reasons behind
the brainwashing, especially preached in America, stating that it is in place to
excuse the reasoning behind the conquering of American by the visitors, in that
if they can prove that Native American’s were themselves short time
inhabitants of the land they had no right to claim any real ownership of the
land they had been removed from – thereby cannot be recognized as legitimate
in the America’s.
Although his reasoning on this point (in some respects) is correct, I don’t
think the Ice Ages were created by scientists to justify the occupation of the
America’s by the Europeans. I believe that some of the archeological
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so, and as for “well” established civilizations, I believe according to facts and
figures from around the historical world, 12,000 or 40,000 years in one-place
pretty much gives the Natives a right to claim ownership.
Having studied Native American history, the above thought has been around
for a while, explaining a long-hard struggle between all Indians residing within
the boundaries of the America’s and their visitors, whereas at their “discovery”
by the friends from across the Atlantic, some researches put the Indians
numbers at 10 to 30 million souls wandering around with no wheels. Numbers,
regardless their value, diminished to less than 1 million in the 50s and 60s of
the 19th century a direct result of the visit. The primary reason for such a
drastic reduction seems to have been that their immune systems had a difficult
time adjusting to the little bugs that hitchhiked across the oceans with them,
with the wheel and horse.
This coupled with the visitor moving him from his territorial hunting
grounds, at times force marching them across 100s of miles to locations most
always not fit for human survival installing them in stockades with nothing or
little to do other than sit by and wait for the assigned missionary to pass out
their allotment check or a chit to go to the next governmental store to pickup
their sack of flour. What a life – no work, no worries, no house, no horse, no
gun and no future.
He continues on in stating that “although” the Bering Strait land-bridge
myth is aimed specially at the Indian race, in actuality it is part of a scientific
process that is created to convince the human race as a whole, has only been
busy shuffling around on this planet in an upright position for a few 1000s of
years, vs. many millions of years.
I have another question, of which I will research on the web – what are the
Hopi legends all about, not the predictions as such but the fact that they claim
we’re into our 5th time around as a civilization(s) – it makes me wonder if there
is a basis to their claims. In support of some of these “legends” research in
some circles is suggesting that man inhabited these shores for over 55,000
years, pre-dating the Clovis period for at least 42,000 years. Additional
research now states that at one time this entire planet was covered in ice, for
over 10 million years, now how this number came about I have no idea – but
periodically I stumble across a reference or two to this fact.

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 With regard to the statement by Mr. Deloria Jr. in that if any migration
occurred it was from America to Asia, what for? Leave a land of plenty and trek
northward and westward to a land historically embroiled with minor conflicts,
soon to be large wars that lasted for centuries – my ancestor might have been
a little on the crazy side, but walk west. I don’t think so.
You have come this far in my latest “rant” about the Ice Age, the age old
topic of the populating of America and the effects of both on our present
civilization, good or bad it is where we are today.
Some thinkers and authors today believe our civilization has been very
lucky over the past few hundreds of years – a much studied and well written set
of volumes titled the “Study of History” (Arnold Toynbee – 1931-1961), where
in twelve volumes he traces the rise and fall of 26-civilizations that grew from
nothing from the mind of ‘creative minorities”, in his conclusion he infers that
they fail when the “creative minority fades, or loses society’s support. Other
writers (Jared Diamond – COLLAPSE: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed),
name five factors that contribute to either,
1. Environmental Change
2. Climate Change
3. Hostile Neighbors
4. Friendly Trade Partners
5. A society response to it environmental problems
Some site the heedless deforestations as compared to the island of Haiti
and Madagascar , and some relative successes found in Tonga and modern
Holland, where ruinous trends have been noticed and changes made in time. It
is noted in their publications that it unfortunate that the failures far outnumber
the successes. One personal experience I ran into about 15 years ago was
when the people north of Vancouver in British Columbia were complaining
about the mutilated salmon being caught with what appeared to be cancerous
growths attached to their scales, around their mouths and eyes. They accused
a large lumber mill (pulp) at the head of the inlet of polluting the bay, the
marine agency of British Columbia’s answer, they posted “no fishing zones”,
called it a day and went home.
Each and everyone of us are faced with decisions our ancestors never
considered or had the need to consider, in our environment and our attitude

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towards life in general, if not for us in the immediate future but for our children
and their children.
Do we ask for a style of government strictly managing our daily affairs, or a
more personal approach where we increase our desire to assist, or do we
assume a distant approach whereas we depend on those who plan everything,
and resist those who deny any plan is needed? In my opinion all these
approaches would fail miserably, whereas we understand more about our
environment and we’re getting a little put out with the continued ecological
preachers, like Paul Ehrlich and their continued zealously towards the
environment around us, most stopping short of practical solutions satisfied with
calling all of us ecological sinners.
To some of us, we understand that the other 75% of the world population
desperately wants what the 25% have – you know, a warm clean home full of
electric appliances, full services and the advantage of jumping in their vehicle
and driving autonomously across the countryside – and when that point in time
arrives and they continued the consumption the 25% enjoys today, we’ll need
an earth twice the size of this one to support and maintain the drive.
And then we have the two sides of the 25%:
The Right who have spent decades ignoring human-generated
environmental change, whereas some conservatives sneer at the leading role
that conservation must play in their everyday lives, in some cases refusing to
let efficiency and sustainability to become their mind set, becoming the people
who depend on the problem solving magic of markets pave the way of the
future.
The Left who reject any role for nuclear power, which has lifted millions out
of poverty, granted with a few minor accidents along the way – accidents that
caused some harmful emissions - but three-generations of advancement has
reduced these possibilities to a near zero – yet the left won’t even debate
adding carefully designed, next-generation plants in the future.
It is difficult for each of us to not say (automatically) “no” at either one of
the above, whereas we all share at some level, a certain distrust on either
approach. Me, as I research on an almost daily basis seeking information on
one thing or the other I have changed my opinion on global warming as to its
cause, but agree with most that there has to begin somewhere a change in our

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consumption of the earth natural resources and a great deal of our waste
disposal – its rampant. As with most anything, whether it be food stuffs,
weather, politics or our mineral use, compromises have to be made – not
meaning you should give up eating, or stand out in the rain, but to plan a little
differently when possible on how we exercise our right to exist on this blue ball.
Ice age on no Ice Age we all live in a different world, but unlike our
ancestors whether they walked across a land-bridge sometime in their past,
rode a chariot across a dusty plain or paddled a canoe across a large ocean.
Today we have no huge savannahs teeming with wild game, blueberries or
roots galore, our supply is diminishing and our options are getting less and less
everyday, maybe not where you live and maybe even not in your lifetime, but
keep in mind that in less than two decades that 25% will climb to over 50% and
there will be less room at the dinner table and all served smaller portions, and I
imagine not because they are on a self-imposed diet.

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