The BAYANI community of Iran

by NUR
02-Mar-2009

Whether by anecdotal rumor or in the literature, the Bahai leadership and organization
has over the years gone out of its way to deny agency as well as in numerous
circumstances to deny the very existence of the Bayani community !he Bayanis, whom
popular terminology has termed Azalis "a term which they ta#e as a pe$orative and thus a
term of derision%, are the remaining followers of the post&'slamic esoteric !welver (hiite
religion founded by Siyyid Ali Muhammad Shirazi, the )ssence of the (even *etters,
the Bab "d +,-.%

'n +,/0, a little under a year before his execution in !abriz on 1uly ,th +,-., the Bab had
nominated the then nineteen year old Mirza Yahya Nuri Subh-i-Azal "d +0+2% to
succeed him as his 3mirror "mirat% and successor "janeshin% 4mong sundry other titles
and epithets he had received from the Bab, Mirza Yahya Nuri has come to be #nown
primarily as Subh-i-Azal, ie the Dan or Mornin! of "re-#ternity, given that the Bab
held the years of his revelatory ministry to accord with the famous but cryptic Tradition
of $ltimate %eality "hadith al-haqiqa%, otherwise #nown as the hadith kumayl, ie the
5en&li#e "and possibly apocryphal% discussion said to have occurred between the first
(hiite 'mam Ali ibn Abi Talib "d 66+% and &umayl ibn 'iyad al-Na(hai "d 7.+%
regarding the nature of ultimate reality !he fifth theophanic se8uence of this !radition
states, 9A Light Illuminating from the Morning-Dawn of Pre-Eternity and shedding its
traces upon the talets of the !alismanic-!emples of Mono-"nitarian "nicity "nurun
ashraqa min subh al-azal fa-yaluha ala hayakil-t-tawhid atharihi%: Subh-i-Azal had
appeared amongst the Babis in the fifth year of the Babs revelatory ministry, thus the
epithet

!he Bab further sent numerous epistles and tablets to his nominated successor ma#ing
ecstatic, proclamatory locutions about him, such as, 9I am you and you are I "anta ana
wa ana anta%,: and in his longest testamentary document he made the pronouncement,
9# $ame of the Pre-Eternal ;referrin! to Azal<% I &erily testify upon this that there is no
other god ut I the Dearly Precious% the 'est 'elo&ed% then I testify upon this that there is
no other god ut !hee the Protector% the Peerless=: 't was the Bahai patriarch Abbas
#ffendi Abdu)l-Baha "d +02+% who first coined the term Azali as a sectarian slur to
cast the adherents of the Bayan as exclusive followers of Subh-i-Azal rather than as
followers of the Bayan and Subh-i-Azal as the mirror and successor of the Bab
Unfortunately the term has since stuc# in the popular consciousness, yet it is not the term
its adherents have ever #nown themselves by

'n 4pril +0+2, almost sixty&three years after he had been nominated by the Bab, Subh-i-
Azal died in exile in *arnaca, >yprus, where he is now buried in a small, modest shrine
4lthough some Western language sources, including )? Browne "d +026%, have stated
that *adi Dolatabadi "+0.,&.0@% had initially been nominated by Subh-i-Azal to
succeed him & upon whose own death the succession is then held by these sources to have
devolved upon his son Yahya Dalatabadi "d +0A0% &, the fact of the matter is that there
is absolutely no primary source documentation or any other evidence supporting this
assertion !he unanimous position of the Bayani community today is that Subh-i-Azal
left no will and testamentB that therefore there was no successorB and so effectively the
leadership of the Bayani community became henceforth a collective endeavor, a position
foreseen by the Bab himself in the aforementioned will and testament

!he survival of the Bayani community in the face of often virulent hostility and
persecution from both the ma$oritarian orthodox (hiite 'slamic milieu of 'ran as well as
by the Bahai organization is in itself a significant story demanding to be told 't is also
an important case&study of non&traditional forms of "especially post-Islamic% 'ranian
esoteric spirituality to merit independent investigation on several fronts Unfortunately
the largely disorganized status of this community since the teens of the last century,
coupled with its conspicuous lac# of an organizational center and charismatic leadershipB
not to mention its consistent deployment of the discipline of the arcane "taqya%B together
with the fact that the bul# of the present information and sources on the internal history of
the Bayanis from +0+2 to the present is in the form of anecdotal stories or unpublished
memoirs and diaries in private handsB has made such an endeavour virtually impossible
until pretty much now !he situation began to change in the early part of this decade with
an internet list on yahoogroups and then entered a new phase in late 2../Cearly 2..- with
the launching of the website bayanic+com
With the public re&emergence of the Bayani community we are now in a postion to
employ both narrative as well as the methodologies of the social sciences to begin
seriously examining both the wider historical as well as the wider sociological position of
the Bayani community of 'ran and its contribution"s% to the greater modern 'ranian polity
in its social and historical tra$ectories !he historians Man!ol Bayat and ,anet Afary in
the -.s and /.s respectively have already done some preliminary contextualization to
that end, especially in regard to those Bayanis prominently involved politically in the
>onstitutional RevolutionB but the real meat, as it were, still remains to be written Dne
significant aspect which re8uires careful exploration is the impact Bayani intellectuals
had on the modern study of Eersian literature, since this area was pioneered by luminaries
such as Allameh Mohammad 0az1ini "d +0/0%, a lifelong Bayani who co&authored the
lengthy introduction to the *eiden edition of *a22i Mirza ,ani &ashani3s "d
+,-2% kitab-i-nuqtat'ul-kaf with )? Browne, and Ali-A(bar Deh(hoda "d +0-0%, the
author of the monumental, multi&volume lo!hat-nameh encyclopedia, who is rumored to
have been one Dn other fronts we have feminists and democratic liberals such as
Sadi4ah Dolatabadi, who herself and whose whole family remained dedicated,
lifelong Bayanis, not to mention the prime minister Mohammad-Ali 5oru!hi "d +0/A%
'n the best tradition of Tahirih 0urrat3ul-3Ayn "d +,-2%, ie the Bab3s se1enteenth
6etter of the 6i1in! and the famous remover of the veil, it will be recalled that the
(orbonne educated Sadi4ah Dalatabadi was the first modern 'ranian woman who
appeared unveiled in the streets of !ehran in +027 dressed in )uropean attire 'n her last
will and testament she declares, FI will ne&er forgi&e any woman who &isits my gra&e
&eiledF "4uoted by 1anet 4fary in The Iranian Constitutional e!olution" #$%&-#$##,
Ne Yor(, 7//8, 9+7-8%

'ndeed the position of the Bayani community in the movement for democratic
freedoms, change and reform in 'ran is a long, well&documented but tortuous one !he
veritable founding fathers of the >onstitutional Revolution, Shay(h Ahmad %uhi "d
+,06% and Mirza A4a &han &irmani "d +,06%, were both sons&in&law of Subh-i-Azal
and the $oint authors of a Bayani apologetic text entitled 'asht (ehesht "- *ea1ens%,
which was edited by )? Browne 4lthough considered a (hiite source of emulation
"marja) taqlid% and not a Bayani per se, nevertheless Mirza *asan Shirazi whose fatwa
trigerred the tobacco rebellion of +,0.&0+ against Nasiruddin Shah3s "d +,06% foreign
concession was a cousin of the Bab)s and could very well have been somewhat
influenced by the Bab and the ideas behind the religion he founded 't should be noted
that on flimsy and rather contrived evidence, the Bahais have actually gone to outright
claim Mirza-ye Shirazi as one of their own Be that as it may, let us here also mention
the constitutionalists :a)ez &irmani, Shay(h Ahmad Ma2d al-Islam &irmani, Mirza
,ahan!ir &han Shirazi and Mali()u-Mota(alemin who were all lifelong Bayanis

!o conclude this maiden post to my Iranian+com blo!, ' as# the unbiased reader to now
consider the photograph ' have posted along with this postG a photograph ta#en in the late
+0A.sCearly +0/.s of a group of 'ranian Bayanis gathered in assembly presumably in
!ehran during the very period that Western Bahai sources, and especially the Bahai
patriarch Sho!hi #ffendi %abbani "d +0-7%, were claiming in the West and the )ast
that no 3'ais "meaning (ayanis*Azalis% any longer existed in the world and that all
Babis had become Bahais= !his photograph demonstrates for posterity the tout court
falsity of that position

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FA$TIGN NGN-BA*AISH Baha3i *ate-Mon!erin! I 6ibel
by NUR on !ue Apr 0,% 2009 0,*)- PM PD!
BA*AI Tactics I Techni4ues - FA$TIGN NGN-BA*AIS
JSlanderous :ilificationJ K The Baha3i Techni4ue - Ad *ominem, 6ibel, Slander,
Demonize, Sca9e!oat, Gstracize, Shun, Banish, Bac(bite, Defame, :ilify, Discredit,
Smear, %e1ile, Su99ress, Attac(, Bully, Intimidate, Threaten, Mali!n, Blac(ball,
Decei1e, Foerce, Silence, *arass+++ etc+, etc++++ FA$TIGN NGN-BA*AIS
7+ As far as 9ossible they hold bac( from res9ondin!
L+ Then they claim no (noled!e of the !i1en issue by fei!nin!
i!norance
M+ After the eN9oser has eN9osed they ill try to di1ert to secondary
and totally 9eri9heral and irrele1ent side-issues
O+ The eN9oser is then 9ainted as someone ith an aNe to !rind,
biased, deluded ;hile they, the bahaim, still ha1e not res9onded to the main issue
eN9osed<
P+ NeNt they relate mental instability and insanity to the eN9oser,
i+e+ shoot the messen!er
Q+ Then, the last tactic, is to heel out se1eral dubious 9ersonas on
the scene ho claim to be neutral non-bahai obser1ers ho then be!in attac(in! the
eN9oser as ell as the issue eN9osed hile su99ortin! the bahais and their issues as
so-called non-bahais
Erofessor 1uan >ole, ebruary 2A, +000G
.!here is nothing to e pu//led y0 1ight wing 'aha2is only li3e to hear the sound of their
own &oices 000#&iously% the world is so constructed that they cannot in fact only hear
their own &oices0 !hey are forced to hear other &oices that differ from theirs0 !his most
disturs them when the &oices come from enrolled 'aha2is or when the &oices spea3 of
the 'aha2i faith0 !he way they sometimes deal with the enrolled 'aha2is is to summon
them to a heresy in4uiry and threaten them with eing shunned if they do not fall silent0
5ith non-'aha2is or with e6-'aha2is% they deal with their speech aout the faith y
ac3iting% slandering and lielling the spea3er0 7ou will note that since I2&e een on this
list I ha&e een accused of long-term heresy% of .claiming authority%. of out and out lying
8though that was retracted% twice9% of misrepresentation% of 2playing fast and loose with
the facts%2 and e&en of eing 2delusional02 I ha&e een accused of all these falsehoods y
:'aha2is:% y prominent 'aha2is0 I ha&e een ac3itten y them0 !his shows that all the
tal3 aout the danger a sharp tongue can do% all the tal3 aout the need for harmony% for
returning poison with honey% for a sin-co&ering eye% is ;ust :tal3: among right wing
'aha2is0 +o one fi,hts dirtier than they when they dis-o!er a !oi-e they -annot silen-e
and -annot refute0.
httpGCCwwwfglayshercomCbahaicensorshipC>ole7+htm
(ee, www$uancolecom

Sour-ewat-h arti-le, Bahai aith
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A com9lete 9rofile on N$% no emer!in!+++
by >4U!'DN )!DUR 4)4 on !ue Apr 0,% 2009 0<*0) PM PD!
httpGCCwwwiraniancomCmainCblogCfaryarmCearly&heartfelt&message&about&nima&wahid&
azal&nur&old&friend
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*aifan Baha3ism is no eN9osed and it is no e1ident hy+++
by NUR on !ue Apr 0,% 2009 0)*=, AM PD!
httpGCCwwwsourcewatchorgCindexphp@titleBaha27iaith
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N$% is no eN9osed and it is no clear hy+++
by >4U!'DN )!DUR 4)4 on Mon Apr 0<% 2009 0-*++ AM PD!
httpGCCwwwiraniancomCmainCblogCfaryarmCsource&watch&.
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No shame+++you anser first
by NUR on Mon Apr 0<% 2009 0)*>9 AM PD!
wwwbayaniccom
+% Who are you and what is your real name@
2% What creed or organization do you belong to@
A% What position do you occupy@
/% 4re you now or have you ever wor#ed on behalf of the Bahai 'nternet 4gency headed
by atthew Weinberg at the Bahai World >enter in aifa, occupied Ealestine@
-% Why do you see the need in hiding behind a pseudonym and mas#ing your identity@
6% What are your goals to that end@
7% What is your primary motivation in ascertaining logistical information about my
group@
,% 4re you a sayanim and wor# for ossad@
0% 's your organization attempting to manufacture consent through fictitious and
exagerrated narratives about persecution in 'ran@
+.% What would you consider your motivation to that end@
++% 's your organization attempting to foment international discord and lobby for a pre&
emptive military stri#e on 'ran@
+2% What is your position on the current policy of Eresident Dbama in wishing
engagement with 'ran@
+A% o you believe that Bahaism should replace the national religion in 'ran, and is your
organization attempting to replace the mullahs theocracy with a Bahai theocracy@
ont get frustrated 1ust answer the 8uestions *oo#ing in the mirror of your
organizational duplicity and (talinism cant be that bad Dr can it@
See Sourceatch entry, Baha3i 5aith+
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N$% - It is no clear that you are ashamed to anser these 0s
by >4U!'DN )!DUR 4)4 on (un Apr 0=% 2009 0-*2= PM PD!
+% ow many people in your group@
2% 4re you a clergyman in this group@
A% ow often do you meet@
/% Where do most of these people live@
-% 's this group growing in numbers or dwindling@ ow do you #now@ 4ny references
you can site@
6% What are the goals of this group@
7% ow does this group organize itself or does it have a community@
,% 's this group recognized by any organization or civil or international body@
0% 's this group persecuted in 'ran or elsewhere@ 'f so, can you reference any evidence to
support this claim@
+.% What would be considered an achievement for this group@
++% >ould you tell us some of the principles of your aith@
and finally
+2% Why dont you answer these basic 8uestions@
)ven if you dont have a reference to cite, it would good to at least tell us the basis for the
answers
)!NUR
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Your anser same as before+++
by NUR on (un Apr 0=% 2009 0,*+- PM PD!
htt9HRR+bayanic+com
None of your business
No anser a fe of mine,
+% Who are you and what is your real name@
2% What creed or organization do you belong to@
A% What position do you occupy@
/% 4re you now or have you ever wor#ed on behalf of the Bahai 'nternet 4gency headed
by atthew Weinberg at the Bahai World >enter in aifa, occupied Ealestine@
-% Why do you see the need in hiding behind a pseudonym and mas#ing your identity@
6% What are your goals to that end@
7% What is your primary motivation in ascertaining logistical information about my
group@
,% 4re you a sayanim and wor# for ossad@
0% 's your organization attempting to manufacture consent through fictitious and
exagerrated narratives about persecution in 'ran@
+.% What would you consider your motivation to that end@
++% 's your organization attempting to foment international discord and lobby for a pre&
emptive military stri#e on 'ran@
+2% What is your position on the current policy of Eresident Dbama in wishing
engagement with 'ran@
+A% o you believe that Bahaism should replace the national religion in 'ran, and is your
organization attempting to replace the mullahs theocracy with a Bahai theocracy@
ont get frustrated 1ust answer the 8uestions *oo#ing in the mirror of your
organizational duplicity and (talinism cant be that bad Dr can it@
See Sourceatch entry, Baha3i 5aith+
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N$%S No that you are resondin!, you can try anserin! neNtT
by >4U!'DN )!DUR 4)4 on (un Apr 0=% 2009 09*=) AM PD!
+% ow many people in your group@
2% 4re you a clergyman in this group@
A% ow often do you meet@
/% Where do most of these people live@
-% 's this group growing in numbers or dwindling@ ow do you #now@ 4ny references
you can site@
6% What are the goals of this group@
7% ow does this group organize itself or does it have a community@
,% 's this group recognized by any organization or civil or international body@
0% 's this group persecuted in 'ran or elsewhere@ 'f so, can you reference any evidence to
support this claim@
+.% What would be considered an achievement for this group@
++% >ould you tell us some of the principles of your aith@
and finally
+2% Why dont you answer these basic 8uestions@
)ven if you dont have a reference to cite, it would good to at least tell us the basis for the
answers
)!NUR
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Your anser has already been !i1en
by NUR on ?ri Apr 0>% 2009 02*0+ AM PD!
NGN# G5 YG$% B$SIN#SST
O7M
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N$% - ,ust anser these 4uestions++
by >4U!'DN )!DUR 4)4 on ?ri Apr 0>% 2009 0)*>+ AM PD!
+% ow many people in your group@
2% 4re you a clergyman in this group@
A% ow often do you meet@
/% Where do most of these people live@
-% 's this group growing in numbers or dwindling@
6% What are the goals of this group@
7% ow does this group organize itself or does it have a community@
,% 's this group recognized by any organization or civil or international body@
0% 's this group persecuted in 'ran or elsewhere@ 'f so, can you reference any evidence to
support this claim@
+.% What would be considered an achievement for this group@
++% >ould you tell us some of the principles of your aith@
ont get frustrated, $ust answer these 8uestions *oo#ing in the mirror cant be that bad
"or is it@%
)!NUR
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Than( you So9hia
by NUR on Mon Mar )<% 2009 09*+2 PM PD!
ear (ophia,
!han#s again for your #ind words of support 4n article you should probably loo# at
is S+U+ Vilson3s Bahaism and %eli!ious Dece9tion, which can be found hereG
httpGCCwahidazal66googlepagescomCbabidocuments2,westernsources20
!his article details some of the modalities of Bahai discourse, together with a few of the
issues, being touched here But you have noted well the primarily fascist and totalitarian
modality of attac# engaged by the Bahais here
O7M
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%es9onse to anti-Bayani BA*AI *AT# S"##F* I *istorical 6ies
by NUR on Mon Mar )<% 2009 09*>+ PM PD!
Dis!uised behind his co1er, his real name is Nima *azini,
4ctually my real name is Vahid Azal not Nima azini, nor have ' tried to mas# my
identity as you have 4rguably, however, you are Sasan "asabani, ie the individual who
writes on U()N)! under the alias mashS!hasem and who has a long history of hate&
speech against uslims and other non&Bahais, and one who regularly denies their
affiliation as a Bahai under the mashS!hasem alias
and those ho (no him (no that he is no re9resentati1e of the Babis includin!
Azali Babis+

4nd who are those who #now me, that you have in mind here@ 4re these members of
your own cult@ 4nd, again, we are Bayanis, not 4zali Babis=
*e is the same 9erson ho tried to ridicule both the Babis and baha3is by claimin! a
fe years a!o that he is the "romised Gne that the Babis are eN9ectin!, issuin!
letters to the Babis and of course re2ectin! Baha3u3llah+
uote and cite the purported letters ' sent
Since no one 9aid attention to him he started this ne tactic of attac(in! the Baha3is
in close coo9eration ith the a!enda of Islamic re!ime of Iran+
!his is the typical Bahai techni8ue of slander, defamation, libel, character
assassination and outright deception and lies No such thing is the case, on either score,
since my history of opposition to the 'slamic Republic is long and well&documented
owever it stands to reason that the aifan Bahai organization to which you belong is
in close cooperation and cahoots with the agendas of 5ionism, Neo&colonialism in the
iddle )ast and especially those agendas attempting a forced regime change in 'ran as
they did in 'ra8 in 2..A
*e also does not re9resent the Babi community because ri!ht no both Babis and
Baha3is are se1erely 9ersecuted by the Islamic re!ime,
No they arent being persecuted No one is persecuting the Bayani community, since no
one in 'ran #nows who the Bayanis are, and neither are the Bahais being widely
persecuted either other than in the manufactured consent of insidious forces of neo&
colonialism attempting regime change by force in 'ran as they did in 'ra8 'f you have
information that any members of the Bayani community are being persecuted, #indly
provide the evidence here
and thus aside from their theolo!ical differences, they both belie1e in the necessity of
9romotin! ci1il ri!hts for all includin! the Babis and the baha3is+
4ll Bayanis support civil rights and human rights, including me But you Bahais,
who are well&#nown hypocrites with double&standards, do not support it unless it is
specifically in your communitys political self&interest and the advancement of your
nefarious ultra&rightwing, pro&Western, pro&British, pro&5ionist, totalitarian New World
Drder political agendas
ou people have not once publicly supported the human and civil rights of the
Ealestinians your 'sra)**i patrons are committing outright genocide against ou
people have not once publicly decried the human rights abuses of the mullahs towards the
'ranian opposition groups ou people were silent after the murder of 5ahra azemi ou
people were silent when the mullahs butchered innocent 'ranians at !ehran University 'n
short, you have never supported or advocated for the civil and human rights of any group
or organization beyond your own 4nd this is fact you cannot dispute=
In Iran the Babis es9ecially a99reciate the sacrifices of their Baha3i brothers and
sisters
Nonesense !his is a lie= 4nd the clear evidence of this nonsense and lie is in the
conspicuous manner in which you deny their self&designation as Bayanis
since the Babis are in ta4iyyih and it is the Baha3is that defend the Bab and his truth
ith their blood+
ere is the official website of the Bayani community, wwwbayaniccom ind me one
single statement on that website that remotely supports your self&serving lies here
But *azini is so hateful of the Baha3is that he acti1ely 9romotes the 9ro9a!anda of
the Islamic re!ime a!ainst the Baha3is in the name of defendin! the Babis+
4gain, the name is Azal, not azini 4nd 4zal is not promoting the propaganda of the
mullocracy when the issues are about the clear, the transparent and the well&documented
history of lies, historical whitewash and abuse perpetrated by your organization which
transcends the historical existence of the 'slamic republic itself
#1ery ord shos the de!ree of his hate+
4nd every word of yours, shows yoursB not to mention your level of typical Baha deceit,
malice, sleaze and deception

7+ the most oura!eous lie 9resented in the comments is that *azini claims that after
assasination attem9t on Naser-al-Din shah in 7-PL, Baha3u3llah as not im9risoned
for four months in Tehran, and that Baha3is ha1e made this u9+
!his is not what ' said y statements here, elsewhere online and in my published wor#
show with documented historical evidence that 7< usayn 34li Nuri sought refuge in the
Russian embassy in !ehran after the assassination attempt on Nasiruddin (hah "which
every non&Bahai history of the period in Eersian has also recorded%B L< that the location
that you Bahais claim as the Siyah-Fhal dungeon where usayn 34li Nuri was
purportedly imprisoned and received his so&called revelation was a water reservoir "ab
anbar% and not possible for use as a place of incarcerating prisonersB and M< (ubh&i&
4zals flight to Baghdad preceded that of usayn 34li Nuris
Gnly a 9er1erted mind can say a lie li(e that+ This one fortunately is not a matter of
rumors or Baha3i said-babi said disa!reement+ It is an e1ent that is recorded by tens
of official Iranian history at the time+
uote the histories Eroof by assertion is not proof ' can 8uote you dozens of non&Bahai
histories, whether Nasi(h)u-Taari(h or 5ars-Nameh-i-Nasiri or otherwise, that
categorically contradict the narrative you Bahais have peddled regarding this so&called
event
5or eNam9le the official daily nes9a9er of Iran called Va4ayehe #ttefa!hiyyeh in
its Au!ust LQ, 7-PL issue re9orts in detail that Baha3u3llah as arrested in Iran, and
that since shah could not find any e1idence im9licatin! him in the terror attem9t he
sentenced him to im9risonment for life ;his 2ustice as li(e 9resent Islamic court
2ustice, since you are innocentH life im9risonment, reduced later to im9risonment
and eNile for life<+
uote and reproduce it 4nd btw the Va4ayehe #ttefa!hiyyeh "originally started by
irza !a8i han 4mir abir% merely mentions 9'ais under royal custody: as a result of
the botched assassination attempt, but reproduces the royal edict "farman% for the
apprehension and arrest of the Babis of !a#ur, chief amongst them being (ubh&i&4zal &
which is why (ubh&i&4zal went to Baghdad !he royal farman published in Va4ayehe
#ttefa!hiyyeh assumes that usayn 34li Nari was in !a#ur at the time '=
As you (no Baha3u3llah discusses his im9risonment in Tehran by the order of shah
himself and describes the conditions of his 9rison in his letter to Naser-al-Din Shah
and tal(s about his re1elation there+
Whatever= !his is the fictitious narrative of your Bahai mythos, and not fact ere is
what Badieh irati Nuri has to say regarding the eventG
4fter the martyrdom of the believers ;following the botched assassination attempt on
Nsirudd-n (hh<, his eminence the -rz ;usayn 34l-< was called forth from the
Russian embassy, and they ;the government< said ;to the Russians< that due to the fact
that he is a reprobate towards the government, he should not be given shelter Because of
the incessant pleas of -rz a$-d ;his brother who was wor#ing there< to the Russian
consul, he ;the consul< obtained assurances from the government that unli#e the others,
he ;usayn 34l-< would not be put to death, thereby ;usayn 34l-< was then delivered to
the government and imprisoned

y translation, !aq.)i-i-r.st/n-i-tak0r-i-n0r "A True Account of Ta(Wr in NWr%, p +-



It is beyond reason to assume that Baha3u3llah ould rite to the 9erson ho
directly issued the order and (ne about it com9letely and lies about it+

usayn 34li Nuri lied about it, as he lied about a great many other things as well, such as,
this,
httpGCCbayaniccomCnotesCbaha!estCBaha!estamenthtml
But what is more inconceivable is why usayn 34li Nuri would even write to the great
butcher of the Babis to begin with@ What was the motivation of usayn 34li Nuri in
attempting a rapproachment with one of the most corrupt monarchs of 'ranian history,
and a man who issued the execution order for the Bab and had the blood of thousands of
Babis on his hands@
L+ *azini says that the term Azali as created by Abdu3l-Baha as a 9e2orati1e term
since it means that the Azalis belie1e in Azal and not the Bab+es, because this is the
case, as clearly documented
This is another double lie+ 5irst lon! time before anythin! Abdu3l-Baha ould say,
the Muslim authors created this di1isionsH Baha3iK folloers of Baha, AzaliK
folloers of azal, BabiKboth Azali and Baha3i ;hich is the common usa!e e1en no,
e1en in some of the comments to this same article<+
Nonsense= !he term Azali as well as Yahya)i was first coined by 4bbas )ffendi Until
the coining of this neologism, the uslim authors did not ma#e any distinctions between
Bayanis and the bahais, continuing to label both under the term Babi
They ere usin! these labels durin! the time of Baha3u3llah in their 9ublications
includin! in 1arious Arabic #ncyclo9edia of the time that some of them are
9ublished and are 9ublicly a1ailable+
uote it ou are ma#ing an assertion without proof
The other lie of *azini statement relates to the fact that the term Azali does not
mean one ho belie1es in Azal and not the Bab+ If this ere the case then the term
Shi3ih should be a 9e2orati1e term because it means 9artisans of Ali+
!he nonesensical stupidity here is beyond words, but typical to discursive modalities of
Bahai misinformation discourses and historical whitewashes irst, the word (hi@a in
4rabic basically means 9party: Alai is always placed as an ad$ective and descriptive to
Shi)a, not as the primary descriptive noun (o how can Shi)a be a pe$orative term here in
the same way the Bahais use 4zali as a pe$orative@ !he reason why 4zali is a pe$orative
term to the Bayanis is because it is deceptively attempting to claim that (ubh&i&4zal
spontaneously started his own sect or religion separate from the Bayan, when such is not
remotely the case= (ubh&i&4zal was the designated successor of the Erimal Eoint, the
Bab, and the irror of the Bayan !o us Bayanis he was to the Bab as 34li was to
uhammad (o if the Bahais wish to assert that 34lis vicegerency "ilaya% to
uhammad is a separate entity to the religion of 'slam founded by uhammad, that is
their business to advance such spurious argumentation But, as usual, it appears the
Bahais wish to both have their ca#e and eat it too here, as well as engage in some of the
most ridiculous "a%historical argumentation and without any evidence either=
the term Shay(hiyyih should be understood as 9e2orati1e since it im9lies they
belie1e in Sha(h Ahsa3i
4ctually, with (hay#h 4hmad 4hsai and his successor that would be the case indeed,
yes, since they both insisted that they were not attempting to found any separate sects or
schools, as they held their teachings and doctrine to be the pristine teachings of the
'mams, and thus the core and essence of 'slam itself (hay#h 4hmad and (iyyid azim
Rashti would have serious problems with the term 3shaykhiya 'n fact the term was first
coined by (hay#h 4hmad 4hsais enemies amongst the Baraghani family who passed the
famous takfir "$udgement of infidelity% against him !o (hay#h 4hmad himself, he was
the follower of the 'mams and his teaching the teachings of the 'mams= 'f you would li#e,
find me any piece of writing by (hay#h 4hmad 4hsai and his successor (ayyid azim
Rashti where they describe themselves as (hay#his Besides the term uslim, the only
designation the (hay#hi leaders used for themselves formally in their sermons and
writings was Muahid and Muahidin, ie Unitarians=
and 9eerha9s Abdu3l-Baha created that too befre he himself as bornT
)vidently he would, and your argument is spurious nonsense all around from first to last,
beginning to end

M, Subhe azal is not one of the titles that the Bab !a1e to Azal+
ere is one of the most well&#nown historical lies and whitewashes of the Bahais, and
one which would decisively disabuse any Bayani on the planet from ever ma#ing
common cause with the Bahais on any level or for anything= !he Bab directly named
irza ahya (ubh&i&4zal S$B*-I-A'A6 "as well as countless other epithets he gave
him% in numerous wor#s 'n the Boo( of the 5i1e Urades "kitab-i-1anj-sh)an% the
references to (ubh&i&4zal as S$B*-I-A'A6 are replete and numerous 'f you werent
such a typical, one&dimensional Bahai imbecile ' would 8uote these for you one by one
In the ritin!s of the Bab the term means the Bab himself+
No, it decidedly does not= 4nd here is the reasonG (ubh&i&4zal "orning&awn of Ere&
)ternity% refers to the element which issues from the (un of Ere&)ternity "shams al-azal%,
ie which is the Erimal Eoint "nu4tat)ul-ula% 'n his Fommentary on the *adith
&umayl the Bab ma#es this abundantly clear when he states that Subh-i-Azal is the
cipher referring to 34li and the station of Erovidential ?uidance "ilaya% and irrorhood
"miratiya% while Shams al-Azal refers to uhammad and the stations of essengership
"risala% and Eointhood "nu4taiya% with N$% "light% referring to atima 5ahraB the
!alismanic&!emples of Unicity "haya(il al-tahid% referring to the 'mams and the
!races "athar% referring to all the 4brahamic messenger prophets together urthermore,
the Bab held that the six years of his revelation each referred to one of the theophanic
se8uences of the *adith &umayl itself, and he details this is in the (even Eroofs
"dalail&i&saba% as well !hese are, to wit,
7< 3ashf suuhat al-;alal min ghayr isharaCthe disclosure of the ma$esties of glorification
without indication ear + +,//&/- "(hiraz ecca%
L< mahw al-mawhum wa sahw al-ma@lumC!he ;apophatic< negation of all speculation and
the realization of that which can be realized ear 2 +,/-&/6 "ecca (hiraz%
M< hati3 al-sitr li-ghulat al-sirrCthe nullficative annihilation of the secret by victorious
rending of the veil off the mystery of the secret ear A +,/6&/7 "'sfahan a#u%
O< ;adh al-ahadiya li-sifat al-tawhidCthe attraction of the divine oneness by the
attributive apprehension of the divine unicity ear / +,/7&/, "a#u%
P< nurun ashra4a min suh al-a/al fa-yaluha Aala haya3il al-tawhid atharihiCa light
illuminating from the morning&dawn of pre&eternity and shedding its traces upon the
tablets of the talismanic&temples of unicity ear - +,/,&/0 "a#u >hihri8%
Q< fa-atif al-sira; fa4ad tala@a al-suhCso extinguish the lamp for the dawn hath indeed
arisen ear 6 +,/0&-.">hihri8 !abriz%
4s attested by the Bab himself and countless other Babis at the time, specifically A4a
Sayyid *usayn Yazdi "the Babs personal scribe and *etter of the *iving%, irza ahya
Nuri (ubh&i&4zal appeared in the -th ear of the anifestation "+,/,&-.%, after the
martyrdom of is oliness 0uddus "who was held to be e8ual to the Bab%, thus his
designation as (ubh&i&4zal to accord with the -th theophanic se8uence of the *adith
&umayl urthermore, besides his e8uality with the Bab, (ubh&i&4zal was held also to be
the Return "ri$at% of is oliness uddus as well, as clearly attested by a$$i irza 1ani
ashani in Nu8tatul&af
But since azalis used the term to denote azal it has become the common use
e1eryhere+
Nonsense "see abo1e<+

O+ Ne1er an informed Baha3i says there is no Babi any more+
'nformed Bahai is a contradiction in terms, but you Bahais have asserted in many places
that no Babis exist !his is the case= our foremost, official Bahai scholar, (usan
anec#, is on record publicly to me for denying the existence of Bayanis=
It is 2ust an amazin! fact that te 1ast ma2ority of the Babis acce9ted the claim of
Baha3u3llah and con1ereted to the ne reli!ion rather than stayin! ith their Babi
belief and faith+
!his is nonsense and a myth Name the ma$ority of the Babis who converted to your
founders cult= 4nd if these ma$ority Babis converted to your founders cult, why is it that
not a single remaining leader of the first generation of the Babis converted to your
founders cult@ Why did your founder have people such as (ira$, ahir, (iyyid
uhammad 'sfahani and others all who had been second tier *etters of the *iving
#illed and assassinated@ ou people have no answer to this dilemma and conundrum, yet
continue to lie and peddle fictions about those fictitious ma$ority Babis who converted to
your founders cult $a ;anam% 3haa miindCno, my dear, you are dreaming=
This is a historical fact that has no 9recedence in reli!ious history+
No, it is not 't is an out and out blatant historical lie and whitewash=

P+ Tahirih as eNecuted before Baha3u3llah ould ma(e his claim+ But it does not
mean that she ould not ha1e reco!nized Baha3u3llah had she li1ed throu!h+
!his is a straw man and a red herring argument !ahirih was a *etter of the *iving of the
religion of the Bayan who publicly ac#nowledged the succession of (ubh&i&4zal as the
irror of the Bayan, and the panegyric poem ' have translated by her here is solid,
historical proof of it
Sim9ly from a 9robablistic 9oint of 1ie, !i1en the fact that ma2ority of the babis
acce9ted Baha3u3llah one is safer to 9redict that ay+
!his is a straw man and a red herring argument !ahirih was a *etter of the *iving of the
religion of the Bayan who publicly ac#nowledged the succession of (ubh&i&4zal as the
irror of the Bayan, and the panegyric poem ' have translated by her here is solid,
historical proof of it
In any case the fact that she as not Baha3i does not mean that she as a Bayani
meanin! a 9erson ho ould re2ect baha3u3llah+
!his is a straw man and a red herring argument, and pure ahistorical fantasy and
falsification !ahirih was a *etter of the *iving of the religion of the Bayan who publicly
ac#nowledged the succession of (ubh&i&4zal as the irror of the Bayan, and the
panegyric poem ' have translated by her here is solid and decisive historical proof of it
inally, the title Baha)u)llah was a title given to her by the Bab 't is evidenced in the
Boo# of the ive ?rades and other letters and epistles sent to her irza usayn 34li Nuri
was a nobody during that period and all the records and evidence proves he was #nown
by no other title other than LM- "ie the ab2ad of usayn 34li% and the 3brother of the
ruit istorically or argumentatively you and your fellow co&cultists do not have a leg
to stand on, as proven above=
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Tal( about shootin! the messen!er-a!ainT
by sophia on Mon Mar )<% 2009 0<*>= PM PD!
!han# you for another interesting post, Nur ' particularly appreciate the photo ' still
cant believe some of the ways people li#e (tephen are responding to this article& tal#
about hateful speech= Why again do certain people who post here in defense of the
Bahais have to #eep calling well written and researched material, especially when it
includes photos such as this one, malicious lies and the products of some perverted,
hateful mind@ 'f what Nur is saying about the history of the Bahais is true, then of course
the truth may be unpleasant, but it is the truth nonetheless 4s far as ' can see, Nur is
posting articles on some very important issues for the history of 'ran, including material
which ' have found very enlightening and cause for further study in the area of
historically important female figures 's it not also possible to criticize the Bahai
movement and its history, promote a different view of history that highlights evidence for
acts of extreme marginalisation and even persecutionCrepression of the Bayanis, and not
be labeled a supported of the ullahs@ !o me, such behavior smac#s of attempting a very
underhanded guilt by association !here are plenty of people in 'ran who have felt the
heavy hand of the regime there, not $ust the Bahais, and yet in the West, it seems that the
Bahais li#e to portray themselves as the most persecuted group in the whole country= '
#now certain things go on, and it is terrible for the people involved, but !)R) 4R)
D!)R (!DR')( that need to be told, and clinging to one to $ustify all number of things
is a tactical blindness in itself ' would li#e not to thin# that all Bahais involve
themselves in the #inds of tactics outlined in the FBahai techni8ueF, and that this is an
organizational techni8ue rather than a personal one, but from loo#ing at this material,
many responses to Nur fit right onto this template ' posted a response on another
thread, and coming across this article, ' thin# ' would li#e to reiterate what ' said beforeG
' find the various responses to Nurs posts veryinteresting What ' find most disturbing
about the nature of the responses frompeople here who ' assume are supporters of the
Bahais is the way they all ma#ealmost exactly the same types of comments about Nurs
posts !hey call them aliar, they call them crazy, in need of mental help !hey say that
their postsare angry, motivated by bitterness (uch responses all sound so pre&
programmed,almost li#e they are coming out of the mouths of brainwashed people 4nd
italso sounds so much li#e the ways in which totalitarian regimes around theworld attac#
their critics, paint them as unbalanced lunatics, as someonewith an axe to grind who
is loo#ing to upset some #ind of illusory stateharmony, even in face of 8uite solid
evidence to the contrary or those who#now anything about this, such techni8ues are the
classic instruments ofgovernments to 8uash dissidents and turn genuine critics into
paraiahs 'n thecontext of the Bahais, it also seems that anyone who stands against the
aifanBahai organization somehow supports the ullahs, rather than being able tohave
perfectly reasonable reasons to disli#e their ideology, and believe thatthere has been a
great deal of censorship, propaganda and whitewashing ofhistory underta#en in order to
hide certain uncomfortable truths about thefaiths past 4nd what better way to $ustify that
than to say it has been donein such a way because the world will not understand why it is
necessary untilsome time into the future= Eerfect= 't seems so symptomatic of the
response ofmany Bahais that they are so utterly loc#ed into their own
completelytotalitarian, homogenising "no matter what the teachings say about this%,
andpower driven mindset that they can only produce responses to genuine
historicalevidence by dismissing it as the lies of an agitator

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Nima3s res9onse
by Behyar "not verified% on Mon Mar )<% 2009 0<*)) PM PD!
(tephen has laid out strong criticisms of Nima "Nur%s article
& that there is is plenty of evidence that Bahaullah was imprisoned in +,-2 "evidence that
is far stronger than the late 2.th century musings of an 4zali polemicist that Nima cites%
& that no informed Bahai ever said there were no 4zalis in 'ran
& that 4bdul&Baha did not create the term 4zali & it was being used by Browne and
others many years earlier
4nd all Nima can do is to loose a stream of invective in his response "Bahai !actics
!echni8ues & >4U!'DN NDN&B44'(%& typical=
'n 'ran the government can suppress the Bahais and invent falsehoods against them and
no&one is able to respond publically & but you are not going to be able to get away with
that on the 'nternet
Behyar
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Bahai Tactics I Techni4ues - FA$TIGN NGN-BA*AIS
by NUR on Mon Mar )<% 2009 0=*2, PM PD!
(ee,
Bahais 'n y Bac#yard
&
4lso see,
Recent court victory by the Drthodox Bahais "DB Drthodox Bahai aith%, and the
suit brought by the aifan Bahai organization against themG
httpGCCtruesee#ertypepadinfoCtruesee#erCcourtcasehtml
and
httpGCCwwwtruebahaicomCcourtC+A0&opinionpdf "$udges actual
decision%
Note particularly,
httpGCCwwwca7uscourtsgovCtmpC*+5.mpA
&
B44' !actics !echni8ues & >4U!'DN NDN&B44'(
F(landerous ilificationF !he Bahai !echni8ue & 4d ominem, *ibel, (lander,
emonize, (capegoat, Dstracize, (hun, Banish, Bac#bite, efame, ilify, iscredit,
(mear, Revile, (uppress, 4ttac#, Bully, 'ntimidate, !hreaten, align, Blac#ball, eceive,
>oerce, (ilence, arass etc, etc >4U!'DN NDN&B44'(
+ 4s far as possible they hold bac# from responding
2 !hen they claim no #nowledge of the given issue by feigning
ignorance
A 4fter the exposer has exposed they will try to divert to secondary
and totally peripheral and irrelevent side&issues
/ !he exposer is then painted as someone with an axe to grind,
biased, deluded "while they, the bahaim, still have not responded to
the main issue exposed%
- Next they relate mental instability and insanity to the exposer,
ie shoot the messenger
6 !hen, the last tactic, is to wheel out several dubious personas on
the scene who claim to be neutral non&bahai observers who then begin attac#ing the
exposer as well as the issue exposed and supporting the bahais and their issues as so&
called non&bahais
&
4lso see (? Wilson,
B44'( 4N R)*'?'DU( 4((4(('N4!'DN !he uslim World vol /, issue /,
+0+/

B44'( 4N R)*'?'DU( )>)E!'DN !he uslim World, olume -, 'ssue 2,
+0+/&+0+-
at,
httpGCCwahidazal66googlepagescomCbabidocuments2,westernsources20
4nd, B44'( 4N !) BR'!'(,
httpGCCbahaisandbritanniagooglepagescomChome
>4U!'DN NDN&B44'(
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*ateful s9eech
by stephen "not verified% on Mon Mar )<% 2009 0-*>9 AM PD!
!he article by Nur and his comments are among the worst #inds of hateful speech, filled
with lies and distortions isguised behind his cover, his real name is Nima azini, and
those who #now him #now that he is no representative of the Babis including 4zali
Babis e is the same person who tried to ridicule both the Babis and bahais by claiming
a few years ago that he is the Eromised Dne that the Babis are expecting, issuing letters to
the Babis and of course re$ecting Bahaullah (ince no one paid attention to him he
started this new tactic of attac#ing the Bahais in close cooperation with the agenda of
'slamic regime of 'ran e also does not represent the Babi community because right now
both Babis and Bahais are severely persecuted by the 'slamic regime, and thus aside
from their theological differences, they both believe in the necessity of promoting civil
rights for all including the Babis and the bahais 'n 'ran the Babis especially appreciate
the sacrifices of their Bahai brothers and sisters since the Babis are in ta8iyyih and it is
the Bahais that defend the Bab and his truth with their blood But azini is so hateful of
the Bahais that he actively promotes the propaganda of the 'slamic regime against the
Bahais in the name of defending the Babis )very word shows the degree of his hate
But the article and comments are filled with errors )xamplesG
+ the most ourageous lie presented in the comments is that azini claims that after
assasination attempt on Naser&al&in shah in +,-2, Bahaullah was not imprisoned for
four months in !ehran, and that Bahais have made this up Dnly a perverted mind can say
a lie li#e that !his one fortunately is not a matter of rumors or Bahai said&babi said
disagreement 't is an event that is recorded by tens of official 'ranian history at the time
or example the official daily newspaper of 'ran called Wa8ayehe )ttefaghiyyeh in its
4ugust 26, +,-2 issue reports in detail that Bahaullah was arrested in 'ran, and that since
shah could not find any evidence implicating him in the terror attempt he sentenced him
to imprisonment for life "his $ustice was li#e present 'slamic court $ustice, since you are
innocentG life imprisonment, reduced later to imprisonment and exile for life% 4s you
#now Bahaullah discusses his imprisonment in !ehran by the order of shah himself and
describes the conditions of his prison in his letter to Naser&al&in (hah and tal#s about
his revelation there 't is beyond reason to assume that Bahaullah would write to the
person who directly issued the order and #new about it completely and lies about it
2 azini says that the term 4zali was created by 4bdul&Baha as a pe$orative term since it
means that the 4zalis believe in 4zal and not the Bab !his is another double lie irst
long time before anything 4bdul&Baha would say, the uslim authors created this
divisionsG Bahai followers of Baha, 4zali followers of azal, Babiboth 4zali and
Bahai "which is the common usage even now, even in some of the comments to this same
article% !hey were using these labels during the time of Bahaullah in their publications
including in various 4rabic )ncyclopedia of the time that some of them are published and
are publicly available !he other lie of azini statement relates to the fact that the term
4zali does not mean one who believes in 4zal and not the Bab 'f this were the case then
the term (hiih should be a pe$orative term because it means partisans of 4li oes that
imply that the shiih do not believe in uhammad@ or was the term shiih an invention of
4bdul&Baha too@ or the term (hay#hiyyih should be understood as pe$orative since it
implies they believe in (ha#h 4hsai and not uhammad, and peerhaps 4bdul&Baha
created that too befre he himself was born=
A, (ubhe azal is not one of the titles that the Bab gave to 4zal 'n the writings of the Bab
the term means the Bab himself But since azalis used the term to denote azal it has
become the common use everywhere *ots of errors there based on this false assumption
"!ahirih praise, !radition of umayl%
/ Never an informed Bahai says there is no Babi any more !he uninformed Bahai may
say so but that is an innocent mista#e because thee babis are engaged in !a8iyyih and
hide their belief and have no public presence so that people would #now 't is $ust an
amazing fact that te vast ma$ority of the Babis accepted the claim of Bahaullah and
convereted to the new religion rather than staying with their Babi belief and faith !his is
a historical fact that has no precedence in religious history or example ma$ority of
>hristians have not yet accepted uhammad after +/ centuries of 'slam azini is $ust
angry about this fact and uses hateful language to express his anger
- !ahirih was executed before Bahaullah would ma#e his claim But it does not mean
that she would not have recognized Bahaullah had she lived through (imply from a
probablistic point of view, given the fact that ma$ority of the babis accepted Bahaullah
one is safer to predict that way 'n any case the fact that she was not Bahai does not mean
that she was a Bayani meaning a person who would re$ect bahaullah azini is engaged
in distortion of words as well
and so much more lies
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BAYANI not Azali
by NUR on Mon Mar 09% 2009 0,*), PM PD!
4s ' put in the article above, we call ourselves Bayani and consider the term 4zali
"which was fabricated as a term of derision by 4bbas )ffendi% an offensive and
misleading term
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The siyah-chal re1elation is a fiction
by NUR on ?ri Mar 0<% 2009 0,*+) PM P(!
!he so&called siyah--hal revelation of usayn 4li Nuri is a post facto fiction "afsaneh%
the Bahai histories have fabricated out of thin air after the fact, $ust li#e the so&called
declaration of Ridwan in +,6A & which ' posted elsewhere about !here is no prima facie
evidence that usayn 4li Nuri was anywhere captive after the botched assassination
attempt on Nasiruddin (hah in the summer of +,-2 other than hiding inside the Russian
embassy where his step&brother wor#ed urthemore, there is no evidence whatsoever
that what the Bahai sources have called the siyah--hal was even being used for
incarcerating prisoners 4ccording to the archive of a$ar government documents from
the period +,/.&,., the place the Bahai sources claim was this siyah--hal were usayn
4li Nuri supposedly received his so&called revelation was actually being used at the time
as a royal water reservoir "ab ambar% at the very period Bahais claim usayn 4li Nuri
was supposed to have been there (o unless usayn 4li Nuri received his mission as an
a8uatic revelation underwater this essentially proves the whole story a complete
fabricated fiction and yet another example of Bahai historical whitewash "9a(-sazi-i-
tari(h% 'f youd li#e, ' can 8uote to you from Badieh irati Nuri & his own #inswoman &
as to what usayn 4li Nuri was actually doing at the time you claim he was receiving
revelation in some fictitious siyah--hal
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Tahirih 0urra3tul-3Ayn as a Bayani
by NUR on ?ri Mar 0<% 2009 0,*2> PM P(!
'ndeed arzaneh ilani, 4fsaneh Na$mabadi, angol Bayat and most recently in (oraya
4damba#ans published ?erman "hD dissertation entitled 2urrat al-'Ayn3 4ine Studie
der reli,i5sen und ,esells-haftli-hen
6ol,en ihres 7irkens3
'slam#undliche Untersuchungen Band 27,
laus (chwarz erlag
'(BN 07,&A&,7007&A/+&-
httpGCCwww#laus&schwarz&verlagcomCindexphp@title(oraya4damba#anurratal&
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Umm (almih 5arin !a$ atima Baraghani azvini & #nown to posterity as Tahirih
0urra3tul-3Ayn "the Eure (oalce of the )yes% & is outright ac#nowledged as a
Bayani ere below is my translation of her longest surviving poem in laudation of
Subh-i-Azal "dar madh-i-Azal% 4 facsimile of the original autograph of this poem in her
own hand can be found in )? Brownes Materials for the Study of the Babi %eli!ion
">ambridgeG +06+%, 9+ MOM 4 typescript of the Eersian script can be found in 2urrat'ul-
8Ayn9 be-yad-e sadomin sal-e
shahadat-e nabe,he-ye dowran "Burrat2ul-CAyn* In memory of the )00th anni&ersary of
the martyrdom of a genius of an era% "!ehranG +A6, shamsi%, pp20&A2, scans and a "df
of which can be found, here B!W the Bahais should note that the title Baha3u3llah
"(plendor of ?od% was bestowed by the Bab on er and it is a title legitimately belonging
to er not to irza usayn 4li Nuri
Azaliyyah
;trans+ Vahid Azal L..O<
;JThe "re-#ternalJ<
#3 'e is the best (elo!ed:
;3 Come" Saqi" < royal fal-on !i-torious
And honor us with a -u1 of that reddish wine of the soul3
=3 6or I shall on-e more make an ornament from a wine ,oblet
7hi-h will burn my firm footin," head to toe3
>3 Come" < Saqi" ,i!e me a -hali-e of wine
So that the bitter 1an,s of yester may de1art my heart3
&3 ?rant new life to the dead
And honor a -u1 to those deje-ted hearts3
@3 2uality of a Samandar for I am in this fire
San-tify it" < Saqi" this" my stu1orless wine3
A3 Cast now this !eil from the moon's mien
Take it off and ,i!e a -u1 of wine3
B3 6rom this -hali-e of my 1urity " you" make me drunk:
And dis-lose the theo1hany of that friend to my soul3
$3 In the li,ht like Coses I shall swoon away from myself
De!elin, this mountain of the body as like Sinai3
#%3 I shall burn away my eEisten-e" all of it" from to1 to bottom
So that in my two worlds no tra-e is left3
##3 < Saqi" brin, wine to this asso-iate of 1ain
6or my 1i!ot of the idols dishe!eled tress3
#;3 If I am intoEi-ated by that reddish wine of yester ni,ht
(rin, me another ,oblet from yourself so that reason may return to my
head3
#=3 Sin-e I ha!e bound my heart to your -urly lo-k" Saqi
I ha!e been deli!ered from the fetters of two worlds3
#>3 6rom 1re-eternity I had no -reed or reli,ion
<ther than the sun of your affe-tion" I had no sa-red rite3
#&3 7ith my 1re-eternal -o!enant I ha!e ,rown resol!ed
6rom faith I will make your lo!e my free -hoi-e3
#@3 In that I should ha!e a--e1ted your lo!e
?i!e a -u1" do not make me blameworthy3
#A3 Coment to moment san-tify my -hali-e of wine
As I am drowned in a sea of woe3
#B3 A -hali-e of wine for me shall not suffi-e
Ce to you" Saqi" other than the embra-e of your o-ean3
#$3 So that in that o-ean I may di!e therein
(e annihilated and quit of myself3
;%3 6rom this Femen of the heart I shall break the shell
And take out the 1earl of the soul and lay it u1on my 1alm3
;#3 Come" < Saqi" the world has be-ome a new s1rin,
The land has be-ome an emerald and !erdant3
;;3 It is s1rin, and the flower-,ardens ha!e blossomed
S1read yourself out in the rose-,arden:
;=3 The sin,er intones the se-ret of the ri!er's lute
(rin,in, -onsolation to the heart torn lo!ers3
;>3 Cast off this !est" < Saqi
And 1la-e the hea!enly tuni- u1on the body3
;&3 Amber,ris from the -urly lo-k of the houris
(urnin, for you in the in-ense of s-atterin, ,old3
;@3 To the folk of hea!en o1en the ,ate of deli,ht
To the inhabitants of 1aradise dis-lose the theo1hany of your self3
;A3 6rom the 1reeminen-e of your ser!i-e in the sublimity of eternity
Say thou that houri and youth shall inhabit the earth3
;B3 To the head to head joyous dan-in, of the rosy -heeked ones
This banquet shall be-ome luminous like the moon3
;$3 The re!ol!in, Genus shall be-ome -lear in the mist
The -louds beholdin, the moon with Hu1iter 3
=%3 Fou" s1read out o!er the earth
As saith the an,el in the em1yrean firmament" 1raise' :
=#3 To the -reated uni!erse" < Saqi" ,i!e ,ood tidin,s
6or the e!e of dis-onsolation attained the mornin, of deli,ht 3
=;3 ?i!e the -hali-e of 1urity to the misfortunate ones
Dift u1 the in!itation to the heart-torn lo!ers3
==3 6or the manifestation of the essen-e of eternity has -ome
The beauty of ,odhood has a11eared3
=>3 To this ha11y news" if my self-sa-rifi-e be worthy"
6ortunate is IheJ" the Su1reme Dord " by this ,ood tidin,3
=&3 6rom the truly real his li,ht has shown forth
'is Sinai has en!elo1ed the whole uni!erse3
=@3 Kla-e a -hali-e of wine in my hand ri,ht now:
So that in salutation to this kin, I may o1en my mouth3
=A3 If my laudation be not a--e1table to him
7hat shall I sin,L This is my habit3
=B3 6rom the aeons of eternity my obli,ation remained firmly fiEed Ion
thisJ
6or I was nursed on the milk of his lo!e3
=$3 < kin," what eE1osition should I make of your des-ri1tionL
The sin,er of your 1raise" eEistent -reation of bein, and be-omin,3
>%3 Fou are the one who is the almi,hty -reator of this world
< ?od" you are the 1eerless and the ariser3
>#3 I ha!e be-ome a 1assi!e 1atient" I -all you ?od
Cany ,ods ha!e be-ome your u1ri,ht sla!es3
>;3 The -riers of MI am ?odM are your ser!ants
The ,od makers are your a11renti-es3
>=3 (y your -ommand were the atoms of -reation Ibrou,ht forthJ
Fou are the first 1oint " we 1ro-eed IfromJ you3
>>3 (e-ause the li,ht of your beauty be-ame e!ident
Fou ha!e been -alled the fruit by the mer-y of the lord of the (ayan 3
>&3 The intention of tree is nothin, else than fruit
A tree be-omes manifest by its fruit3
>@3 (e-ause of you the (ayan be-ame -om1lete
All the hidden se-rets were seen in truth3
>A3 There is nau,ht in your IwholeJ eEisten-e but the (ayan
Cay there remain no tra-e of faith in the world3
>B3 6rom you the -ause of ?od has be-ome eEalted
The majesty of ,ods ha!e be-ome manifest3
>$3 Fou are the ,oal of reli,ion in e!ery a,e
IAsJ the theo1hany of 1reeminen-e of the aeon has 1ro-laimed3
&%3 +o seal Iare youJ that a last I should know you by
+o 1rin-i1al Iare youJ that a first I should -all you by3
&#3 In the uni!erse you are the first of the last
Fou are manifest in the I!eryJ atoms of the -osmos3
&;3 To ea-h 1eo1le has there turned a ,uide
The I1oint of theJ worshi1 Iwhi-hJ they indi-ate is you3
&=3 To a name of your names are they 1rostrated
The breadth of whose totality they are self-effa-ed and humbled IbyJ3
&>3 Illumined by your li,ht is -hur-h and san-tuary
Fou are IindeedJ the manifestation of the essen-e of the fa-e of the
an-ient3
&&3 7here am I" and where your des-ri1tion" < honored oneL
Sin-e obliteratin, nothin,ness be-omes IallJ des-ri1tions of the
essen-e of the an-ient3
&@3 4!erythin, is absolute idolatry" you are my mono-theity
Fou are IfarJ trans-endent of my 1raises3
&A3 If I am an idolatrous hereti-" it is from you
If am a sinnin, de!iant" it is from you3
&B3 Sin has be-ome the -oquettish blandishment of the ser!ants
And be-ome the ,ra-e of for,i!eness for the lord of so!erei,nty3
&$3 <ne -u1 with ,ra-e shall I san-tify
7hi-h shall burn away all my idolatry" < honored one3
@%3 6rom the -hali-e of lo!e honor me my wine
If the annihilation of my eEisten-e be my ,ood fortune3
--
@#3 < that from the illumination of the beauty of Iyour di!ineJ 1ower
Fou burned the !eils one by one3
@;3 6urther" < all-1owerful lord of the ,ates"
+othin, remains of any 1ortion of any 1arti-le of any atom3
@=3 6rom the !eils of the -urtains of ,randeur
(y the stations of the -o!erin,s of limit3
@>3 < ?od" < -reator" I burned
6rom the e!ils of di!ine ,old Iand sil!erJ3
@&3 < my lord" find from the eE-ellen-es of eEisten-e
So that I may be ennobled by the attra-tion of bein,3
@@3 < beautiful one and < 1re-ious one of s1lendor
Illuminate the tablet by the fire of a11earan-e3
@A3 Cake the heart 1ure" < belo!ed of the ,nosti-s
6rom that whi-h ne,ates -ertainty3
@B3 So that I may be eEalted in the eE1anse of justi-e
6rom the resemblan-e of states other than ema-iation3
@$3 < ?od" to me there was nau,ht but you
<ther than the twin bond there was no defender from the eEterior3
A%3 < ?od" the truth of the kin, of kin,s Iwho isJ
e-linin, on the re,al sofa of the eE-ellen-es of the essen-es3
A#3 II ha!eJ 1assed by from all the fetters of eEisten-e
Nrunk and intoEi-ated by the 1ro-lamations of Alast 3
A;3 They saw the remitter of the fine and remitted the fine
That whi-h they behoo!ed they remo!ed3
A=3 < ?od" their su1reme desi,n
Kraise be to their eEalted desi,n3
A>3 <ther than your 1ure fa-e" < lord of eEisten-e"
The lofty eE1anses were annihilated by the !i-issitudes3
A&3 6rom the in-linin, ele!ation and 1ower of the (ayan
To the ele!ation of the eE1anses of the hi,hest hei,hts Iof the
di!ineJ abodes3
A@3 Therefore the hi,hest dwellin, in the eE1anded breast of sublimity
Are the totality of the 1arti-les Iof eEisten-eJ inno!ated by them3
AA3 < ?od" from these eE-ellen-es of yours
They found the 1ower of these s1lendors of yours 3
AB3 (ut" < lord" I must roll in the dust of the furrows of the ,round
+eEt to that 1arti-le that was essentialised by them3
A$3 (e-ause they are the most eE-ellent and most noble
Kossessor of bein," they are the most sublime and the most lofty3
B%3 < ?od" you ha!e them I-loseJ to yourself
Fou ha!e them and you ha!e them and you ha!e them:
B#3 Their be-omin," the station of no des-ri1tion
Their -arryin, off" to the abode of majesty3
B;3 Fou took away from them" and ,a!e IthemJ your own state
7hate!er was itself" it be-ame that3
B=3 < ?od" I must 1urify myself
IAndJ let there be Ithe in!o-ation of theJ remembran-e of holiness for
them3
B>3 Ker-han-e your ,ra-e will show assistan-e
6rom my -ustom in these states of -ontem1tibility3
B&3 7hen you take nothin,ness away from me" < belo!ed
Fou brin, forth absolute eEisten-e from out of my 1o-ket3
B@3 < ?od" the truth of these kin, of kin,s"
e1eatedly I Ifind myselfJ in the ,rades of these mean s1irits 3
BA3 < ?od" the truly real" lord of the worlds
< sin-ere belo!ed" Iyou areJ the ,reatest of all eEoneratin, for,i!ers:

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To Nur-%e1elation of Baha3u3llah T
by abc "not verified% on ?ri Mar 0<% 2009 0=*>, AM P(!
4s you surely #now the revelation of Bahaullah happened in (iyah&>hal in +,-2
httpGCCinfobahaiorgCarticle&+&A&2&2html
httpGCCwwwnybahaiorgCsiyahchalC
httpGCCwwwbahai&libraryorgCprovisionalsCrashh&am
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You are fantastic++++
by >ovenant0 "not verified% on ?ri Mar 0<% 2009 0=*0) AM P(!
' love you G&%
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To NurT
by annonymt "not verified% on ?ri Mar 0<% 2009 0+*2< AM P(!
's there any historical evidence that !ahirih was an 4zali@@
' mean an evidence which is based on research from a (>D*4R 'ranian li#e
rsarzaneh ilani, or rs4fary or so
o you mean that 4zals revelation as ?ods manifestation happened when !ahirih was
still alive@
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Ta(e your facts+++
by NUR on !hu Mar 0=% 2009 0+*=9 PM P(!
ello@ Bahaism did not exist in +,-2 when !ahirih urratul&4yn was martyred= (he was
a Bayani and the +7th *etter of the *iving 4ccording to your own Bahai histories irza
usayn 4li Nuri Bahaullah only made his claim in +,6A (o if !ahirih was already dead
for ++ years in +,6A, how could she be a Bahai@= (top advancing
nonsensical propaganda, lies and ahistorical whitewash
4nd the facts regarding the poisoning incident are actually the other way around, Baha
attempted to poison 4zal, not 4zal BahaG
httpGCCwwwh&netorgCbahaiCdiglibCarticlesC4&)CbrowneCRB!CRB!206gif
htt9HRR+h-net+or!RXbahaiRdi!libRarticlesRA-#RbroneR%BTR%BTL/8+!if
ITranslation from 'asht (eheshtJ The first ju,,le and tri-k of sor-ery whi-h he Ii3e3
Cirza 'usayn 'Ali +uri (aha'u'llahJ outlined was this" that he brou,ht to 'azrat-i-
Azal a dish of 1lain food" with one side of whi-h was miEed with 1oison" intendin, to
1oison 'is 'oliness3 6or hitherto the a11ortioned breakfast and su11er of 'is
'oliness the 6ruit I'azrat-i-Thamara" one of the titles ,i!en to Subh-i-Azal by his
followersJ had been from the house of Cirza 'usayn 'Ali3 7hen that 1oisoned dish
was 1la-ed before 'is 'oliness" Cirza 'usayn 'Ali 1ressed him to 1artake of it3 (y a
fortunate -han-e the smell of onions was 1er-e1tible in the food" and 'is 'oliness
bein, a!erse to onions" refused to taste it3 Cirza 'usayn 'Ali -ontinued to 1ress him
ur,ently to eat3 'e re1lied 'Sin-e it smells of onions" I will not eat itO if it is IsoJ ,ood"
eat it yourself:' 6rom this answer Cirza 'usayn 'Ali su11osed that 'is 'oliness had
di!ined his e!il desi,n" and" sim1ly with the !iew of dis,uisin, Ithe truthJ and 1uttin,
a better a11earan-e on the matter" ate a little from the other side of the dish" in order
that the sus1i-ions of 'is 'oliness mi,ht 1erha1s be dis1elled and he mi,ht eat of the
1oisoned side3 (ut 'is 'oliness" be-ause of the smell of onions" would not eat3 +ow"
inasmu-h as the 1oison had to some eEtent diffused itself to the other side Ii3e3 the
un1oisoned sideJ" it 1rodu-ed some sli,ht effe-t on the aforesaid Cirza I'useyn 'AliJ"
-ausin, him si-kness and !omittin,3 Then he summoned the 1hys-ians" ,athered his
own 1eo1le around him" and 1ri!ately informed them of his state" de-larin, that
'azrat-i-Azal had 1oisoned him333
Driginal Eersian at,
httpGCCwwwbayaniccomClibCfwdChashtChasht&Whtml@idhasht
't was in fact the -rz ;ie Bahaullah< who had sought to poison is oliness
;4zal< ;Dn the day in 8uestion< (ultn hnm "entitled the ?reatest oly *eaf%, who at
the time was still a believer in her most august uncle ;ie 4zal<, with blin#s and glances,
;when the food was brought out by the servants< indicated that that he ;4zal< should not
parta#e of the meal placed before him When the -rz ;ie Bahullah< insisted that is
oliness should eat, is oliness refused, thereupon the aforementioned saw that is
oliness had become appraised of their evil intentions ;ie to #ill him<, and therefore, in
order to deflect attention ;from the deed<, he proceeded to eat a few portions from that
plate of food himself 'mmediately his ;ie Bahaullahs< state was overturned ;ie he
became violently ill< e then threw the plate of food in the courtyard outside 'n that
yard there was a dog who immediately began to eat ;the discarded food< and thereupon
fell dead shortly thereafter When the -rz beheld this scene, he was immediately
embarrassed, and so sought out a physician 4fter regaining his health, he proceeded to
spread rumours that is oliness ;4zal< had attempted to poison him No one has as#ed
;thereby indicating the truth of the matter that<, D noble gentlemen, the #itchen and its
coo# ;on that day< was at your ;exclusive< disposal= 't was you who had graciously
invited is oliness over to lunch as your guest ;in your home< ad e hidden this ;vial
of< poison in his sleeve thereby depositing it in the food ;right under your noses without
you noticing<@
y translation, !aq.)i-i-r.st/n-i-tak0r-i-n0r "A True A--ount of Tak0r in +0r%, pp /A&
//
Driginal Eersian at,
httpGCCbayaniccomClibCfwdCrastinCRastin&Whtml
O7M
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by annonymt "not verified% on !hu Mar 0=% 2009 )0*+, AM P(!
!ahirih urratul&4yn was a Bahai and not an 4zaliCBayani==
(he did believe in Bab and Bahaullah and yes she was one of Babs seventeenth *etter of
the *iving
httpGCCwwwtahirihorgCtahirihCaboutCtahirihhtml
Bahaullah had been poisoned by 4zal who were stepbrothers
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Vhy as my res9onse deletedY
by NUR on 5ed Mar 0+% 2009 0,*+) PM P(!
Vhy ha1e the moderators deleted my last comment hereY
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Vhy there are no Azalis abroad Y
by abir "not verified% on 5ed Mar 0+% 2009 0+*2< AM P(!
' wonder why there is not a single 4zali in United (tates ow many *(4s do you have
r Nur @
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To Nur
by 4nonym "not verified% on 5ed Mar 0+% 2009 )2*== AM P(!
FEersonally ' thin# the number is probably closer to the -..,... mar# than even +
millionF
irstly why are upset@' $ust as#ed a simple 8uestion===
(econdly ' trust wi#ipedia and Britannica more than your statistic
!hirdly ' am a woman=
To Mr STATISTIF
by NUR on !ue Mar 0>% 2009 0<*=< PM P(!
What never ceases to amaze me about you Bahais is your incessant obsessive
compulsion with numbers, statistics, administrative fiats, structures, committees and the
li#e 't is as if you have never resolved for yourselves whether you are a religion or an
administrative bureaucracy But since you wish to play the numbers game, ' am more
than happy to oblige
irst off, the 6 million figure bandied about as constituting the number of aifan Bahais
worldwide has been disputed on countless occasions by countless people more times than
' care to remember, regardless as to who within the Bahai administration first managed to
bamboozle the #ncyclo9edia Britannica to pencil in the 6&7 million figure (imply put,
there are not 6 million aifan Bahais worldwide ou people would be luc#y if in terms
of real figures you had a clean million Eersonally ' thin# the number is probably closer
to the -..,... mar# than even + million
(econd, if you wish to play the truth by numbers game, then there are a hundred times
more uslims in the world than you aifan Bahais, which using your implied logic,
would ma#e them truer than you oreover there are more grains of sand than are either
uslims or aifan Bahais, which by way of this silly logic ma#es these grains of sand
truer than both !hats for the clear implication of the nonsensical logic you aifan
Bahais #eep using about your purported six million figure & which is false in any case
But as the proverb goes in Eersian, there are many bro#en shards of glass, but how few
diamonds= !here is also an operative maxim in esoteric spirituality that the closer one
comes to the !ruth, the fewer become the numbers
!hat said, since there is no Bayani organization to spea# of which carries out a regular
census of members, based on my conversations with members of the 'ranian Bayani
community over the years ' would estimate conservatively that there are probably
somewhere on the order of between +-&2. thousand Bayanis in 'ran today, maybe more &
most of them however practice taqiya which ma#es ones $ob that much more difficult in
arriving at any final figure3 When factoring in the 'ranian diaspora, ' would add another
-&6 thousand persons to that figure 't is difficult to say but ' #eep finding more and more
Bayanis ma#ing contact with me privately online, people who for generations have
publically identified themselves as uslims but privately have #ept practicing the
religion of the Bayan, commerating its sacred events and then passing on their secret
religion to whichever of their children who wish to continue it
Note also that before the Revolution there were also 8uite a lot of mixed Bayani&Bahai
families, where a husband or wife would be a Bayani or Bahai and the other spouse the
opposite 't appears that contrary to the in$unctions of the Bahai leadership, most 'ranian
Bahais prior to the Revolution didnt pay much heed to the sectarian stipulations and
in$unctions issued by 4bbas )ffendi and (hoghi )ffendi not to associate with Bayanis, or
even spea# with them, since we have this example of countless BayaniCBahai families
Df course the Revolution seems to have changed all that, especially in the area of
conceding by default the power to the aifan Bahai administration and the Bahai
communitys groupthin# more of a leverage to control and therefore to disallow the sort
of mixed BayaniCBahai marriages that were a norm prior to +070
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statisticsY
by 4nonym "not verified% on !ue Mar 0>% 2009 )2*=> PM P(!
'nteresting article= !here are more than 6...... Bahais worldwideow many millions
are BayanisC4zalis worldwide@
httpGCCenwi#ipediaorgCwi#iCBah>A4+27>A4st
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0uestion
by alentina (u#hanova "not verified% on !ue Mar 0>% 2009 0,*=2 AM P(!
ear riends= Where can we find more information about !he B44N' community of
'ran@ !han# you very much for the photo and information
Best regards,
ladimir alentina
httpGCCzhurnallibruCsCsuhanowwnCweenshtml
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Than( you T
by 4meeri "not verified% on !ue Mar 0>% 2009 0,*>) AM P(!
ou article is very informative 't changed my perspective of Bahai faith and the Bahais
' am interested to learn more
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interestin! article
by #on$#av "not verified% on Mon Mar 02% 2009 0=*02 PM P(!
this was an interesting postyou said that deh#hoda was bayanithis is the first time i
heard of itvery interesting