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Lautsi: A reply
JHH Weiler
*
Kyritsis and Tsakyrakis make an important contribution to the discussion of the con-
cept of neutrality in our contemporary political theory and political praxis. Erudite,
learned, probing, and categorical in its conclusion: the Grand Chamber erred badly.
The theoretical apparatus developed rewards careful study. But its application to the
Lautsi decision is fundamentally fawed by the false premise on which its discussion is
predicated. By adopting this false premise the authors do not deal with the real hard
case to which the crucifx in the classroom givesrise.
This is how, after the preliminaries and the chronologies, Kyritsis and Tsakyrakis,
in a succinct, even pithy way, state the issue that is the basis of their theoretical and
conceptual analysis with its eventual critique of the Court:
Is an empty wall as objectionable or as unobjectionable as a wall with the crucifx? Should
someone [like themselves] who objects to the crucifx in the name of neutrality also oppose an
empty wall? (at 5).
That formulation misrepresents the case of equivalence stated powerfully by the
British Judge Powers, which Kyritsis and Tsakyrakis single out as their foil. It also mis-
represents the Leonardo and Marco parable in my pleadings, which they cite but the
signifcance of which, in my view, they do not quitegrasp.
In a nutshell, the wall is not empty. It is open to accommodate and endorse all man-
ner of world viewsand in reality often doesexcept the one world view which is
explicitly excluded, namely the religious world view. At the entrance of every elemen-
tary school in France you will fnd inscribed: Libert, Egalit, Fraternitthe battle cry
of the French Revolution. Iwould be delighted to send my children to a school which
displayed such rousing words, embodying such ideals. But if I were a Monarchist,
Imight feel, well, upset. Were Ia Monarchist and were to complain to the school board
of the city or region, Iwould be told: win the next election, and have it removed, and
then you can put up instead, La France est Moi. I would never dream of telling my
children that Libert, Egalit, Fraternit is a neutral principle. On the contrary, it is an
ideological position which Ifavor, and for which much blood was spilled. Iwould mobi-
lize to defend itdemocratically, of courseand hope my children would be equally
so mobilized. But neutral? Not even by the defnition of Kyritsis and Tsakyrakis. And
yet, there it is on the wall. Imagine, not such a far-fetched hypothetical, that a region
* Joseph Straus Professor of Law and European Union Jean Monnet Chair, New York University Law
School. Email: joseph.weiler@nyu.edu

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in the country decided to be nuclear-free. Driving through Europe you fnd many such
regions. Many of them espouse a nuclear-free icon, often the triangular peace sign
of the 1960s. It, too, in such regions could go on the wall of a school. The classroom
wall, in principle and in reality, is covered with signs and symbols which refect demo-
cratic, ideological preferences of our polities. Leave your privileged tenured university
desks, enter the nearest school. Take a look around. The only thing you will not fnd
is a religious symbol. The principle of classroom neutrality does not, in theory and
praxis, require an empty wall. It could notthere is hardly a symbol or picture which
does not carry some explicit or implicit ideological baggage. Even Goldilocks and the
Three Bears are not ideologically neutral. What the laique constitutional principle does
is to allow most such representations on the wall, when democratically arrived at by
school boards, educational authorities and the like, except religious ones which are
prohibited even if they are massively supported by democratic institutions. This result
follows the logic of constitutionally defning religion as a private affair even if religion
itself does not so defne itself. Tell such to Isaiah or Amos or Jeremiah.
The educational consequence is not trivial. For the message, both explicit and
implicit, can well be understood as: all world views can fnd their place on the wall and
are thus to be understood as Kosher, except a religious world view which, by implica-
tion at least, becomes toxic. Nelson Mandela or Che Guevarayes; but Jean Paul II,
Mohammad or Mosesno.
Perhaps Kyritsis and Tsakyrakis should contend with the following hypothetical:
imagine a state (like the US), which, in substance, does not forbid a person in his or her
heart or home to be a Communist (it is not a crime), but will allow the suppression of
Communism publicly as a legitimate world view in the public space and on the wall.
In effect, Communism is defned as a private affair. Neutral?
This is how Kyritsis and Tsakyrakis should have framed the issue if it were to refect
the reality of laique theory and praxis:
Is a wall which allows the display of all manner of world views from left to right, but explicitly
and almost exclusively excludes the religious world view, as objectionable or as unobjectionable
as a wall which by democratic preference displays the crucifx? Should someone who objects to
the crucifx in the name of neutrality also oppose a wall which uniquely excludes the crucifx
but allows many other explicit and implicit ideological icons, symbols and representations?
I think their very own erudite, learned, probing analysis would drive them to an
answer that, at a minimum, would be less categorical than the conclusion theyoffer.
To remind the reader, what Iargued in my pleadings is frst that, as a matter of posi-
tive European constitutional law as well as good old liberal pluralist normative think-
ing, both the laique and the non-laique approach to church and state are legitimate
and common within the constitutional framework of Europe and are to be celebrated
as part of its pluralist tradition. Ithen argued that both the Italian choicethe cru-
cifx, and the French choiceno crucifx, pose an educational challenge. The Italians
will have an imperative exigency in their educational programming to teach respect
for other religions and for no religion at all. The French, who today not only forbid a
crucifx on the wall, but forbid children to wear a cross or a headscarf or a kippah (but
you can wear a shirt with Marx, Karl or Groucho) have an imperative educational

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exigency to teach respect for the religious sensibility and not allow the ban to be inter-
preted as the state endorsing an attitude of contempt or derision towards religion.
Maybe the point can be made better by focusing not on what is on the wall, but on
the wall itselfthe school itself. In laique states, in principle, the state, in the name of
neutrality, will fund general secular schools but not religious schools. In a society in
which the principal cleavage is between the religious and the non-religious, rather
than between, say, Catholics and Protestants, religious parents who naturally want
their children to have an education which refects or at least respects their basic world
view, might feel that the state is taking sidesjust as Judge Power argued. Compare
that to the constitutional practice in, say, the Netherlands and the UK, where the state
funds secular schools as well as Anglican, Catholic, Jewish, and Muslim schools. Ifnd
the Anglo-Dutch practice, which understands that there are no such things as neutral
bricks, more respectful of the very principle of neutrality elaborated by Kyritsis and
Tsakyrakis than, say, the French practice.
On their theoretical apparatus Iwill just say that Ifnd it remarkable that in 2012
there will be those who not only defend liberalism (I am among them) but will con-
tinue to claim that what they are defending is neutral.
Lorenzo Zucca offers a very beautiful vision of a multicultural pluralist society in
which not only the cross, but also the symbols of other religions (and presumably)
non-religious world views, will be on the wall. Ishare the sensibility which drives this
vision and understandit.
What I do not understand is his rage at the Courtboth in this article and in his
blog post on EJIL: Talk! in the immediate aftermath of the Grand Chamber decision.
I think his rage is prompted by two misconceptions and one misreading of the case.
First, his arguments and his argumentation use the vocabulary and sensibility of con-
stitutional discourse, and frame the issue in a way in which a constitutional court
of a concrete living society in a concrete polity, with a particular history and social
makeup, would when faced with such an issue. If the court issuing the decision were,
for example, the Italian Constitutional Court (which refused to hear the case), his
criticisms could be appropriate. Here, the issue is not whether he is right or wrong
but that his arguments seem to me simply misplaced. The European Court of Human
Rights is not a constitutional courtneither of Italy nor of Europe; and the European
Convention is not a constitution. Lautsi and crucifxes aside, one should, in my view,
strenuously resist the temptation and trend, often engaged in naturally and unthink-
ingly, to treat Strasbourg as the Constitutional Court of Europe with the Convention
as its constitutional text. Would Zucca, would we, really want the European Court of
Human Rights to engage in the kind of judicial decision making which would impose
the (seductive) Zucca solution on this or that state? Do we want to treat the ECHR as a
Constitution of Europe?
One would get the impression from reading Zuccas piece that the Grand Chamber
actually supported the crucifx on the wall. It expressed no such opinion. All it decided
(very signifcantly, but still very narrowly) is that the mere fact of requiring a crucifx
on the classroom wall was not, in and of itself, a violation of the Convention. Unless
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circumstances, real harm and concrete violation of a Convention norm, no violation
would be held. But if such harm can be shown, the result might be different. This is a
clear nod in the direction of the Zucca sensibility. Nota bene, the Chamber decision was
so far reaching and radical in its uninhibited articulation of the principle of neutrality
that dozens of States would fnd themselves in violation given their public symbol-
ism and iconography. Clearly the Chamber decision is in contradiction with Zuccas
pluralistic argumentation: it negates Zuccas pluralism. The Grand Chamber does
not (as is appropriate, in my viewit is not its task) endorse it, but certainly leaves
it as a valid option for the member states of the Council of Europe. Why all the rage?
Because the Grand Chamber was not willing to short circuit the political and the con-
stitutional adjudicative process in Italy and adopt and impose Zuccas view on Italy?
Some pluralism.

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