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Freedom
“Expressing one’s full Freedom and God-given rights
helps to preserve and protect the God ideals of our
United States constitution. This means protection and
hope for the rest of the world. Putting God first allows
us to have that Freedom. The Freedom to do that, put
God first, is the most valuable Freedom we have.”
– Stanley El
Z: The first question I want to ask you is: How would you
define the word Freedom?
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Stanley: You know, it’s one of those funny things because I
grew up with this understanding of freedom being based on…
I’ll call them human rights; human rights that the government
gives us. The freedom to work, get a job and buy property and
those kinds of things. Today, freedom means a lot more than
that to me. Because it’s…we have this energy in us called Life
that comes from God. The purpose of being in this world is
to express the fullness of God. So to me freedom is just that…
having the right, the privilege, the honor to allow God’s Life,
God’s Perfection to express through you without interruption
from outside forces or even your own human consciousness.
So that’s how I look at freedom today. The individual’s obliga-
tion to become one with the Presence of Life in them; to allow
that to flow through freely and express It’s Perfection.
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All of the state capitals, all the states in the United States
were sending me information about their state, from their
Chamber of Commerce… demographics and programs and
this, that, and the other. That went on for a long time. I was
real big in that kind of stuff and U.S. History; security like the
CIA and that kind of stuff. I think it all was just me acting out
whatever was happening within me at the time. Because I re-
ally didn’t know, I was just doing it. I was experimenting with a
lot of things that were way beyond the average 8 year old or 10
year old or 11 year old. I don’t think anybody knew it. People
just knew I was kind of a “bookworm” kind of person, but I was
also very artistic in the sense that I would draw images. I loved
to put together presentations and making them look beautiful
for school. That went with me right on through high school.
On the other side of that I began…probably around 11…12
years old…having different kinds of experiences. I would have
this dream…and this really goes back farther than that…I would
have two dreams consistently…and they went on for years. One
is me walking down the street at night picking up pennies. It
would be street lights and I would pick up this penny under ev-
ery street light. And that just was the dream. I would walk to the
next street, pick up the penny. Walk to the next street light, pick
up the penny. And that was the dream for my entire youth.
Then the other dream was me jumping up and down out-
side. You know, I’d jump in the air. Go up a couple of feet and
come down. Jump up in the air…go up a couple of feet and
come down. Jump up in the air higher, come down. Then I
would take flight. Well those two dreams stayed with me al-
most my entire life…until I became an adult. I always thought
they were kind of interesting because the feeling of flying was
real. And the lights where these places were…it was a bright
light like I was actually outside.
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you were a child of God and this, that, and the other. Things
were becoming more and more real to me, in terms of the un-
derstanding of whatever it was beyond. Because there were
always stories being told when I was little about the Prophet
appearing, disappearing; people walking through walls. I was
even taught that at an early age that if you believed enough you
could walk through walls.
So my teenage years I was out there. Still a normal teenager,
you know, but behind the scene in my own isolated way were
all these experiences happening where these teachings were
coming to me and I would sit and contemplate these things. As
problems or situations would pop up, I knew where to go. In
my mind, that same God that I’d prayed to for good grades in
elementary school was going to be the same God that I went to,
to address these problems. And that continued.
It continued and became more of an active pursuit in my
outer consciousness, if you ever want to call it that, to try and
do more of those transcendental types of things. What I mean
by that is, (chuckles) may sound strange to you, but, like astro-
traveling. You know, taking yourself out of the body. Well, I
actually started trying to do that stuff around 13, 14, 15 years
old. I’d lay myself down and try to send myself out in space.
And ah…you know…from what I could tell, I wasn’t really go-
ing anywhere; but (chuckles) it was kind of a cool thing to do.
(laughs a lot)
Actually, I had two buddies that blended into the same
kind of thinking and we would all start to read the same kind
of books. Again, the books would just show up. We weren’t go-
ing out to stores buying them. Somebody would have it in their
house. Somehow, somebody would get a book from somewhere
and we would sit down and read these things and share them
and boom…you know, we’d try stuff out. You know, our medi-
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and sound, I mean the whole bit. We were working our way
up to the point of doing tours. We got picked up by Delight
Record Company’s national promoter. He was taking us dif-
ferent places, New York and this, that, and the other. We also
had friends that were going to college and they started hiring
us to do things. We ended up touring the North East corridor
through the college circuit. Of course, we attributed it to this
exercise [Think and Grow Rich], because it just took off! That
was pretty much it.
It was those kinds of experiences at early ages that kind
of (pause)…told me that we had…every individual had some
kind of connection with some greater Power. And if giving at-
tention to that, It would flow. And It did. We had the testimony
of it. Now, at that time, we were starting to see the manifestation
of it. Other elements did definitely intervene. It seemed like…I
was the only one who really held firm to that because…I guess
it was 19 when I had my first kind of crisis; personal crisis.
We were successful at what we were doing with business,
but I wasn’t feeling fulfilled as an individual. I remember get-
ting home one night; we always worked through the night. It
was the wee hours of the morning. I’m walking around and I
expressed this to God, and said: “Look, basically I want to do
whatever your will is.” And it was one of those, you know, cry-
ing kinds of things where I just needed to have that connection
with God and be able to fulfill His will. And that to me was…
what was happening inside of me that wanted to make that
connection real. I wanted to know that I was fulfilling, con-
sciously, whatever desire or plan God had for me. I submitted
my entire life to Him, totally.
At that point, everything changed. By the time I was 21, I
was out of that group doing other things. Getting involved in
the industry…really, really starting to stretch out in the meta-
Z: Yeah, you gave us…I really like that you gave us the
chronological view. You could go back to any one of those and
say: what were the major lessons that came out of any of those
experiences?
Stanley: The biggest lesson was that I and every individual
have a direct connection to a Higher Source. At that time I
called that Source God. Today, I call that Source The Mighty
“I AM” Presence. At that time, and during that course of time,
God and the connection was there. I knew I could do things
that were literally impossible, in the normal sense and course
of things. And I did them!
For example, after not working or holding a job for 3 ½
years I’m back at home living. My father is: “Boy, you need to
get a job.” (laughing out loud) Because I wasn’t really getting
involved…I was doing the entertainment stuff making a little
bit of money but I wasn’t really out there pursuing it. I was
more interested in getting into myself and understanding what
was going on. What we had achieved and how to move this
thing forward at that level. With this connection that I’d made
a commitment to. And I know that by keeping that connection
I could do anything.
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When my father said to me I need to get a job, I looked
him in the eye. And this was unheard of, in our culture, grow-
ing up as a Moor because you were always told to respect your
parents and your elders. I looked at my father and said: “I will
do what I’m going to do. I know what I’m doing and I’m going
to do it.” He didn’t say one word and left me alone…(chuckles)
and from that point on, never mentioned it again. I went back
to doing what I was doing.
Now, I was doing positive things except that during that
course of time I’d gotten involved in the performing arts. I was
doing dance; African-American dance, modern dance, jazz…
eventually advanced into bally. I was an artist doing a lot of art
work. Painting murals in people’s homes, you know. Designing
flyers, commercial stuff like that. Martial arts that I’d started
at 17 accelerated because a lot of Buddhist, Hindu teachings
was coming through that. That was actually helping me to
understand a lot more of where I was going because of those
teachings.
Somebody gave me a book called: “Krishna: The Supreme
Personality Godhead.” This thing was almost 3 ½ - 4 inches
thick. It became my regular study because it was talking about
the supreme personality, this being that had this ability to do
all these phenomenal things. I was into that thing like… you
know…it was the (pause) very breath I breathed. I was in it
everyday. (chuckles) Because it was something I thought I
needed to understand. And it was tapping into some of these
experiences that I was having.
The biggest lesson out of it was to keep that connection.
I was doing it consciously. I got a job one time, Zayd. It was
working at a newspaper doing ad layouts. I went to the job…
ah, this lasted about a month. Didn’t really care for the job,
even though I wanted to have the experience. I had an inven-
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I didn’t like that first job. And I said: “Look I’m holding it up.”
I trusted that Presence to put me in the proper place by follow-
ing the wisdom of the Law. The Law says: “Look, Stanley you’re
not comfortable here. You don’t want to be here. You’re holding
it up. You don’t want to be here if you’re holding this job up
for somebody else. Leave it for somebody that would enjoy this
job.” I trusted that Presence to put me in the right place and
boom…done it. Walked and it took care of me…bam.
I ended up being at Chein Industries, a national company,
in the art department there. They were a manufacturer of toys,
house ware products, giftware products, that kind of stuff. I
went in there as one of their, you know…a designer and ended
up being the Senior Designer and Assistant to the Vice Presi-
dent, by the time I’d gotten done.
I still applied it because even before I’d gotten there, I’d done
things like I met my wife for the first time. She came and lived
with us for a while. She was trying to find a job. She came to me
one time and she said: “Look, we need to have some money com-
ing in.” I said: “That’s not an issue. Come with me.” Hopped in my
father’s car; rode down the highway. Pulled over to this restau-
rant; walked in and asked for the owner. This is how the Power
of the Presence [of God worked]. I was this confident about this
connection with God because I had these experiences all of my
life. I walked in this place, I said: “Is the business owner here?”
He said: “I’m the business owner.” I said: “We want a job.” He said:
“What can you do?” I said: “We can dance.” (chuckles) He said:
“Show me!” He put money in this juke box; my wife and I danced.
He hired us to teach ballroom dancing, right on the spot.
Z: Wow (laughing)
Stanley: (laughing) I looked at my wife and said: “See that’s
not an issue. It’s not about the money.” (laughs) It happened
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Because, you know, there’s this phrase that says only God
is great. (pause) Well when you want that greatness you have
to think in terms of, if God is the greatness that’s out here, it
requires a tremendous amount of effort to get to that level of
(pause) God Dominion, if you want to call it that. Where God
can truly express Himself fully through you. And you have to
be practical and think to yourself: “Am I really applying my-
self to that level?” Well, no you’re not! (chuckles, then laughs
a lot) And everybody can answer that question the same way.
Because if you’re asking the question, you obviously have not
achieved that God Dominion. (longer pause)
That’s where I had to be honest with myself and continue
to apply myself, regardless of what the things were around me.
And it’s to the point where…it does come to that point. For
everybody out there that has made major contributions to hu-
manity, they all had to look at themselves in the mirror and
basically stare…whatever…I’ll call it death for lack of a better
word…stare death in the face. Not that they were always being
threatened by their life, but something calls them to the carpet
and says: “Look, it’s either all or none.” No matter how good
they are. No matter how high they’ve gone. They all have come
to that point where Life says: “It’s either all or nothing.” And
that’s a test.
It’s a test of the athlete that wants to be a champion. The
athlete that wants to be a champion knows that: “I have to give
it my all.” “I can’t skip any steps, because once I become cham-
pion, everybody’s coming after me.” So this process is support;
to go through every step; to put forth that pressure to know
every step of the way to that championship so that when I get
there I can maintain that position.
That’s everybody on this planet that wants to achieve
anything worthwhile. Those throughout history have…gone
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within ourselves and applying ourselves based on handling
greater responsibility.
Because once you get into yourself, you realize that expe-
rience is really what you become. You’re the culmination of
everything that you’ve experienced in life. Well, that being the
case and you consider that you are that accumulation of life ex-
perience; you should be brilliant. You should be a God being.
But our attention is directed to the things outside of us. The
things…the material things. Get a job. Buy stuff. Retire and
buy more stuff. You’re enjoying life. You’re going to retire. Well
that hasn’t proven to make people happy at all. It has proven
that we can accumulate things. It has done that. But accumu-
lating those things are only temporary…ah…points of, I guess,
emotional satisfaction. That’s all they are. You’re just feeding
your emotions for a moment. Then you’re back to your depres-
sions and your drudgery and those conditions of the world.
No one has proven those things to make you happy. There-
fore, we have all those generations that have gone by and we see
our youth, at this point now, facing these issues. Well, look “I got
things.” “I’m a teenager.” “I got cell phones.” “I got calculators.”
“I got computers.” “I got all this stuff.” “I got the internet.” “I got
music.” “I got widescreen TV’s.” “And…I g-o-t p-r-o-b-l-e-m-s.”
They also have something that we may not have had grow-
ing up. And that I see, I have to say see…because it’s them, it’s
not me…I’m looking back. I’m looking at our young people to-
day and I’m seeing them really crying…striving for something
inside of them to come through. That they can anchor into,
because they can feel it.
They don’t want what the adults have. They got the stuff.
But, when they look at that individual called adult, they don’t
want that. They see unhappy people telling them, by their ac-
tions, that they have to go to college, go to work and retire,
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of you. That’s why this country accelerated and advanced so
quickly. At one time, and we still do, but at one time we lived it.
And the entire world benefited from it.
Five thousand years prior to that constitution there was
very little progress on this planet. People need to understand
that. And look at that issue. The fact, that they were carting
stuff by mules in Moses’ time and they were carting things us-
ing mules and donkeys and horses in Colonial times. Why is it
that from 1787 to whatever time…a hundred years after that…
200 years we’re putting people on the moon? How come all of
a sudden we’re able to do that and it wasn’t happening in any
other nation anywhere else? (pause)
Cause there’s something about it. And it has to do with
that constitution and the fact that they acknowledged God
first, instead of the King. And gave people the right to pursue
God; their God Dominion in this nation. Which means that
the creativity…all that creativity is…that is the essence of God.
God creates. The Creator! That Creator exists within every in-
dividual. And this nation was designed to allow that Creator to
express Itself through every individual. And we are living the
benefits of that today.
Now we have an obligation, if we want to see this world
continue to prosper, to make sure that happens with our young
people. And the way to do that…the most effective way to do
that is to allow that Presence to express Itself through us, so
they can see that Light expand. The adults need to come out of
the closet…that believe in God and accept the word of God as
their own and show the young people that…that’s what Life is
all about. And we’ll all be happier for it.
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and experience things that I would never be able to do within
my own self. Because there’s a reflection there…There’s a state-
ment by Beloved Master Jesus that says: “The world is a mirror
that reflects what you put out.” That is so evident within your
household, with you family. It’s unbelievable (laughs out loud).
I think we ignore it. I think today especially…there are so many
divorces, this, that. and the other.
That’s based on what the Ascended Masters say, they say:
“People avoid others because they can’t control themselves.”
(laughs out loud) In a family, in a household, you are forced to
deal with yourself. (Laughs out loud) So instead of dealing with
themselves, accepting the responsibility of self-development,
self-leadership, self-esteem, self-control, self-correction – WE
DIVORCE. And that’s the worse thing you can do.
One of the principles of the constitution…because the
constitution was designed to protect the family…is…actually
about family. They felt that the strength…Well, it actually says
it right here, I have it in my hand now. “The core unit which
determines the strength of any society is the family; therefore,
the government should foster and protect its integrity.” That’s
because the family is (pause) largely a home, a house of God.
When you think in terms of a house of God, it really…you
have a Temple, the body as a Temple. You bring people together.
You start to represent something greater than that. Government
stems from the structure of a family. You’ve got people working
together…should be working together in cooperation. You set
up rules and regulations. You have a stronger unit. You can do
more together as a group than you can separately. That’s what
families represent. It’s extremely important that families work
together and cooperate together and so forth.
That relationship is as valuable as the one with God. If you
can do that happily and harmoniously…outside of your direct
Z: That’s right!
Stanley: And you can prove that. Let one of their family
members show up. It could be your best friend, something will
happen. I’m sure people have had the experience and there has
to be a choice made whether it’s family or them. Well, guess
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what? Best friend, I love you, but this is the deal. This is where
the line gets drawn.
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transportation work. They’re not the ones that are getting it to
the market to allow the product to be packed and shipped and
doing all those things.
I feel the responsibility of a business owner is key. I feel
that today we have drifted away from the core principles of
the constitution. We are being forced back into them. In the
sense that business owners have to now live with a lot of things
around them that they really didn’t bank on, in terms of the
resources they have access to. There seems to be a lot more
players now because we have a global economy. The dynamics
are that those who have are thinking, “I want to keep mine to
my own self,” rather than spreading the wealth.
That’s causing grassroots business owners to say: “Wait
a minute. What’s going on? The pie is not getting bigger, it’s
getting smaller.” The resources on the planet have not got-
ten less. There’s still the same amount of real estate. The
same abundance is in the United States; here and now, more
so than when the Founding Fathers were here. There are
parts of natural resources in this country that have not been
touched. We started shipping stuff out, bringing produce in
from other countries.
It’s not that we lack the real estate and the resources to
manufacture or harvest that produce. We’re still relying on
other countries to do it because the labor is cheaper. We still
have oil in our lands; in the United States as much as they have
in Asian countries. But, their labor is cheaper.
So, we’re dealing with a lot of things that we weren’t bank-
ing on that’s causing us to have to look within ourselves. I feel
that’s going to be a very positive movement and direction of us
gaining more of our spirituality or independence in this coun-
try. I think we’re being forced back to those core principles. We
do not, in the United States of America, have to rely on outside
1. That all mankind are created equal by God for the pur-
pose of pursuing and expressing Perfection.
2. America is the birthplace of Freedom allowing us to
pursue the highest ideals of Perfection.
3. Business owners have a tremendous influence on others,
including family members, the communities, business
associates and fellow citizens.
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And that person has as much power as Motts Apple Pie
people, because they’re a business owner. They can call a sup-
plier of apples and get the same respect as the owner of Motts
Apple Pies, because they’re business owners. That’s how much
influence they have. But, they need to understand that. They
need to understand that’s a responsibility. And that because of
the position they have influence, they can make things change.
They can walk through a room and depending on their attitude
they can cause people to be inspired, very productive or ruin
their entire lives, ruin their whole weekend. That’s something
which they are responsible for. The next principle:
One thing I’ve found over the years is that when you be-
come a business owner, you’re not thinking “Well, I’m going
to go to school and become a business owner.” Somehow you
just happen to start a business. I’ve heard people say there’s no
place to go to school to learn to be a business owner. Up until
the National Society of American Business Owners (NSABO),
really there wasn’t. We’re not that well known yet, as far as tra-
dition goes. It’s not like, oh, “I’ll go to school to learn at the
NSABO.” It’s not that at all. But the reality is, business owner-
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owner, I would see it as an investment. I would put all my Best
into that thing.
I would apply my work ethics and my energies to it be-
cause; guess what? I might leave this place one day and what
will I have on my resume if I treat it as my own. What kind of
recommendations would I get if I treated it as my own?
If I abuse it, there’s a chance I might not get the next job I
want to get. I might not get the next opportunity to advance
up the ranks. That’s where, in corporate America, I feel the
position of “intrapreneurship,” that whole philosophy came
from. There are people who have said to themselves: “Look,
I’m treating this as my own.” “This is my time going into it; my
energies going into it; I’m going to max this thing out.” They
become just as viable to that business as the owner himself,
even though technically they don’t own it. But the benefits are
still there. So we need to look at the opportunity that we have
of taking responsibility in the business. Treat it as your own.
I say this to students in high school: “Look, this school
is yours. You own it. These people work for you.” They look
at me and they go: “Ah, what do you mean? Why would we
want to do that?” Well, think about it. You have copiers; you
have computers; you have libraries; you have equipment; you
have gymnasiums; you have teachers that have expertise. If you
treat it like your own and you r-e-a-l-l-y treat it like your own:
What would you be like? (pause) This is yours. Make it what
you want. If you use it to your advantage…Oh my goodness…
Imagine what young people would look like; if they treated it
like their own?
You’re not going to trash your mp3 player or your home
computer. And that’s part of the principles. Accepting full re-
sponsibility for individual actions taken; makes that individual
a business owner. The next one is:
8. Creativity
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gardless of what people in our country, our own citizens think
about this country; there are more people trying to get here
than any other nation on this planet. Still.
The last two principles are:
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Key Insights on
Freedom
The desire to build and inspire and enrich lives and express
their creativity.
How can you apply these key insights, decisions, and rela-
tionships to enhance the development and growth of your
children, co-workers, or employees?
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