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ADMIN NOTE: Hi all tonight's guest is Eric Brad. Eric will be chatting about crossover training
and his own experiences. He is an accomplished writer, and dog trainer. So please welcome
tonights guest Eric Brad. To start things off I just want to throw in the first question :Eric how long
have you been working with dogs and how did you start?

Eric Brad My wife and I have owned and trained dogs for over 25 years. Most of those years we did it
pretty badly.

Denise O'Moore Sorry meant to post the mug shot!



Eric Brad About 13 years ago, we had a life-changing experience that completely changed how we
thought about and worked with our dogs.
I would be the "mug" she is alluding to.

Jason Currie Welcome Eric thanks for sharing your time with us

Kim Carnell when you started training who were your main influences and who are they now

Denise O'Moore So what changed in how you viewed your dog and why?

Kim Carnell did you find it hard to change and how did your fellow trainers cope with your new
methods

Eric Brad Kim - "Back in the day" before we changed, we didn't really have any formal approach to dog
training. We basically did what our obedience and manners class instructors told us and we had a few books by
the Monks of New Skeete. So we learned how to scruff shake and alpha roll our dogs.

Once we got our heads turned around, probably our biggest influences have been Jean Donaldson, Trisha
McConnelll, Bob Bailey, Ken Ramirez, and Kathy Sdao.
Ras Mandangan **EDITED** Sorry, accidentally hit "enter"

What I was going to say is. In my neck of the woods. The old methods are still widely accepted [i.e. Alpha,
aversive methods]

What do you think is the best way to educate people? W/o creating conflict?

Denise O'Moore Sorry all am so organised tonight!!!!! This is an article by Eric I posted earlier but it
slipped down page http://lifeasahuman.com/.../what-if-we-could-communicate.../

What If We Could Communicate With Dogs?
lifeasahuman.com
It was early evening in the spring of 2002

Eric Brad Ras When I say New and Old, I'm speaking strictly in personal terms. New for us and Old for
us.

Denise O'Moore Shay Kelly am tagging you

Lindsay Mann Eric did you find that owning the type of dogs you do/did has had any affect or
influenced you in your way of thinking about dog training?

Eric Brad What changed our view was that the force-based methods we had been using on our dogs for
15 years stopped working with our Belgian Tervuren. It got to a point where we felt we were not safe approaching
his food bowl. We were within days of rehoming him because nothing we tried was working and was, in fact,
making things worse.

Jason Currie Eric did a lot of your dog training friends also join you with the more educated way to do
things ? or did you find there were many people stuck in their ways ?

Eric Brad That's when we discovered The Culture Clash by Donaldson and it profoundly reset how we
understood dogs were.

Lindsay Mann Was that dog your first Tervuren?

Kim Carnell A good book does make you re-think many things.

Eric Brad Lindsay - No. What changed us was the utter failure of prescribed methods (monks of new
skeete) to fix the problems.

Denise O'Moore In your first article Eric you mention 3 books - I think most of us have - so am just going
to list them for everyone: Culture Clash by Jean Donaldson. Don't shoot the dog by Karen Pryor and The other
end of the Leash by P. McConnell.

Eric Brad Our first dogs were collies. Our difficult terv was our second belgian.

Kim Carnell Did you find it easy to change your training methods

Eric Brad Kim - Strangely, I did find it easy. But in a very very painful way. It seemed to me that
EVERYTHING I was doing with my dogs was WRONG. That's a hard thing to face. But if I didn't face it, it was
going to face me...and perhaps even bite me

Denise O'Moore Eric which did you find more challanging - collie or Belgian?

Kim Carnell Did you keep notes of how your new approach changed the behaviour of your Terv that
you were going to nearly rehome

Eric Brad Kim - Not formally. But we did follow very careful protocols described in books on using positive
reinforcement and science based training.

The change was dramatic and fast.

Kim Carnell Eric it is hard but at least you were prepared to try and admit that things could be
different I applaud you for that

Lindsay Mann That's great to hear Eric

Eric Brad Unfortunately, it was not complete. Some of the emotional fallout from the force training stuck
with Vince (our terv) and he never quite trusted me until he died.

Lindsay Mann When you started using the new protocols, did you have faith they'd work, or were you
a bit sceptical?

Kim Carnell Sorry to hear that but you did make his life better than it could have been

Eric Brad Lindsay - I had faith in nothing and I was skepical of everything. I remain that way to this day.
When this stuff stops working, I'll change. So far, I'm very happy with the results.

Lindsay Mann That's sad isn't it? I used to use more force based methods on my first Tervurens,
however not alpha rolling etc thankfully, it was more using choke chains Thankfully too they did trust me, but I
have always felt so bad about their first couple of yerars until I ditched the CCs!

Marc Drillings What solutions do you have when dealing with pet owners that are used to using force
style training. Let's face it, it is easier. Being force free makes us think of new ways to communicate to our dogs
what we want, and most of us want the quick fix. Also to be fair to the Monks of New Skete, I believe in a later
edition of their book they no longer recommend the alpha roll as they found out---you can get bit

Eric Brad One of the important side effects of this change for me was that I don't trust speculation
anymore. The only authority on how and why training works is my dog. If it works, it works. If it doesn't,
something needs to change.

Jason Currie Eric the amount of times I hear certain trainers say red zone dogs don't respond to treats is
unreal !! Do you think those trainers can be reached ?

Eric Brad Marc - First off, I don't consider myself a "Force Free" trainer. That is a definition that has been
far too loosely used for me to feel comfortable being defined by it.

Lindsay Mann What sort of things do you like doing with your dog now, Eric?

Kim Carnell I don't want to upset anyone but Eric do you find that like non reward training that some
FF trainers do take their convictions to far and that this might put some owners off

Eric Brad I think the most important thing we can do when working with any dog owner is to reset their
expectations so they do not look for quick fixes. Life together is a process and so is training. You don't just "set it
and forget it."

Kim - Let me put it this way, humans, like any animal, will respond negatively to aversive stimuli. It's never a
good idea to try to make your point in a way that is aversive to the person you are trying to convince regardless of
your training philosophy. Did that cover it?

Kim Carnell Yes thank you
What made you start writing

Eric Brad My writing really came out of a desire to document my own experience.

Per Arnt Rasmussen Have you learned dog language by now ?

Eric Brad Frankly, I was stunned at what was happening with my dogs using this new way to train.

When we got my Tiramisu as a puppy and started her out with clicker training, I was astounded at the speed at
which she was learning.

Ashley Oslund Cpdt-ka Did you have any experiences with positive trainers trying to make their
point before you crossed over that prevented you from doing so sooner?

Kim Carnell would you say all trainers should try to keep notes of their experiences so that they can
learn from them

Eric Brad Then there was the strange collateral effect. She was not as mischievious as our previous dogs
had been. She just didn't get into trouble.

Kerry Madogs Hi Eric
What are the three most important things we should think about when training dogs. Ta

Eric Brad Wow, you're a chatty bunch! Great questions!

Kim Carnell we would hate for you to be bored

Eric Brad Ashley Oslund - No. We were never approached by positive trainers prior to our "crisis"

Jason Currie Eric where the writing skills something you had develop ?

Eric Brad Kerry - Motivation, Process, Planning.

Denise O'Moore Eric - this Tiramiusu?



Eric Brad That's Vince
That's our crossover dog 8 years after his "conversion" to our new way of training.
He was a lot more comfortable at that age.

Jason - I have been writing for about 40 years at this point. I had a lot of technical writing as part of my career in
Information Technology.

Kim Carnell Do you use clicker training for behavioural problems

Denise O'Moore stunning dog! What did you notice was / were the main differences in Vince's behaviour
once you changed his training methods?

Shay Kelly Eric Brad, did you ever feel bad about the way you had trained in the past?

Eric Brad We use clickers as a marker when teaching new behaviours. When it comes to behavioural
issues, the first stop is science. We need to see what's going on. If we need to install a behaviour to solve the
problem we might use a clicker. It depends on how the dog reacts to the click as a marker.

Shay - I have a tattoo on my arm to make sure I never forget. What does that tell you?


Shay Kelly ditto
Denise O'Moore Ok we need to see tat pics guys


Eric Brad Let me send one back at you guys.

Is there a difference between science-based training and "force free" training?

Ashley Oslund Cpdt-ka Yay Denise O'Moore for asking to see pics

Denise Robertroy I've owned 4 dobies & was taught during training back in the 80's the 'roll over' (I
guess that's what your calling it). I've used it only a few times on each of my dogs when they were pups & it
always was beneficial. If this procedure is now frowned upon what is recommended?

Denise O'Moore Actually great question Eric...BTW we are meant to be asking you! lol

Kim Carnell Do you think having changed to new methods of training that you would ever use and
adversive method again to say stop chasing sheep etc

Eric Brad Kim - We use aversives all the time. Not for teaching behaviours though.

Ashley Oslund Cpdt-ka I understand the two to be closely linked in most trainer's minds, but
science-based could also be argued for using shock as I once had a 'balanced' trainer point out to me.

Eric Brad All training can be described by science. The distinction I make is that science seeks the most
effective methods.

Sure, shock collars are technically +P but do the teach the behaviour with the least amount of unwanted fallout?
I don't think so. I think the risk of +P doesn't not justify the few benefits.

Kim Carnell Eric glad you said that as there are trainers who say they never use adversives but we
do whether language, body language, noises etc

Eric Brad I want to address Denise Robertroy's question here.

Denise - What benefits do you think the "roll over" gave you with your dogs.



Eric Brad While we wait for Denise Robertroy, I want to bring up Management. I think this is perhaps the most
under-utilized aspect of dog training.

If you have a dog that continually chews the kitchen carpets, why don't you pick up the carpets and give the dog
a toy instead? Why not put him in another room? Why not crate him for a short nap? Too often people jump right
to "let's punish that chewing!"

Lindsay Mann Agree!

Kim Carnell How true people dive in and don't consider what could, might happen because planning
has not taken place

Lindsay Mann Personally, I like to build up a history of trust over the years and that doesn't happen
with punishment being the first reacton to problems.

Eric Brad There are so many ways we can control the environment. The first step to changing behaviour
is getting the dog to NOT do the one we don't want. That doesn't mean we have to punish the behaviour, simply
not allow it to occur.

Ashley Oslund Cpdt-ka Management is great for preventing learning of unwanted behaviors in the
first place

Kim Carnell Eric that is the easy option though and you get a lot of trainers saying the dog is
dominant and trying to rule the pack

Petra Wingate Eric's tattoo for those who wanted to see it.


Christine Holmes Spriggs Bennett Ashley Oslund--counter-surfing and digging in the trash come
immediately to mind!

Fran Hill What is your advice about puppy rearing and leaving puppies under 6-months alone in the
house? Is there a maximum amount of time in a 24-hour period you would recommend? What are your reasons
for this?

Pauline Bianca Gaerlan My question is, how do I diplomatically deal with humans who still use
outdated methods? A very popular "dog psychologist" is coming to our part of the world in a few months and
everyone seems to be very excited about it, and I'm scared that these people would ruin their dogs' lives. I really
want to do something about it aside from writing the event organizers.

Eric Brad Kim - 1) Dogs are not pack animals as proven by science. 2) Dogs have shown no desire to
control anything that does not directly involve them.

Denise O'Moore Thanks Petra, now it's Shay's turn

Kim Carnell I know but when you see it on the telly written in books people are drawn in by shall we
say tv personalities rather than educated trainers, behaviourists etc and of course many vets do not understand
behaviour and send out outdated information

Eric Brad Fran - Here's our puppy protocol.
7am Wakey Wakey - potty - training - play
8am breakfast
8:30am Play and interaction
9am - Crate time
12:30pm - Wakey Wakey - potty - training - play
1pm Lunch
1:30pm Play - interaction - exercise

Shay Kelly


Eric Brad 4pm crate time

6pm Wakey - potty - training - play

Nichola Mccarthy Eric, sorry but how are dogs not 'pack animals' they are descendants of a wolf ??
Just curious how you think this ?

Ras Mandangan Pauline Bianca Gaerlan & I are from the same place. And we obviously have the
same concern lol


Eric Brad 8pm crate
9pm out for play
11pm bed time for the night
Does that help?

Dogs are not pack animals. They are lone scavengers.

Wolves are pack animals and hunt in packs.

Kim Carnell good protocol for rescue dogs in a new home to, to help prevent accidents

Eric Brad Dogs are SOCIAL animals. But that is a different thing.

Lindsay Mann I love both the tattoos! Eric, may I ask please what is the significance of the two
cutlasses? IF it's not too personal.

Fran Hill Thank you. What about owners who are out at work all day and leave their puppies 8-9-
hours at a time?

Eric Brad So...to the question of people who want to listen to The Dog Whisperer? Let them. You have
other people you have a much better chance to help.
Don't fight battles you can't win.

Denise O'Moore In other words 'choose your battles'?

Eric Brad That

Lindsay Mann Choose them, yes! We had a fab thing occur in the UK with Alan Titchmarsn
interviewing CM.

Christine Holmes Spriggs Bennett and learn to recognize when the "fight" is an exercise in futility

Lindsay Mann Bombarded his show with info re. CMs methods and the science.

It's on Youtube and well worth a gander!! The only interview I've seen that sorted CM out well and truly, by
making him answer or not answer, the reality of what he did.

Eric Brad Owners who work and can't follow that kind of schedule might be able to extend the morning
session and the afternoon session and let the dog out for lunch.

Christine Holmes Spriggs Bennett I've see that--it's quite good!

Ashley Oslund Cpdt-ka There is a great chance that they will come back to you for help (when it
doesn't work out as well as they expected) because you didn't fight about it in the first place.
Lindsay Mann Do you have plans for another dog at all Eric, if so do you have a breed in mind, and if
so, why?

Eric Brad I am a Groenendael man through and through.

Lindsay Mann I love the name Tiramisu!
Ah fab! love them. A Terv girl here though hehehe!

Denise O'Moore ADMIN NOTE: Hi all tis me Was going to say we got 10mins left but Eric is staying on
for another few and we will be posting all Erics links / groups etc at end of chat... BTW Eric will be randomly
picking someone from this chat and they will recieve a set of his Ebooks...that ok Eric?


Eric Brad Plans are for a puppy either this summer or next. Male Groenendael bound for IPO because...science-
based ring sport!

Lindsay Mann Very exciting! What do you think of the square shape vs the more rectangular shape
of the Belgian, vs. say the GSD, do you think it causes any problems in sports? ie Scaling.

Pauline Bianca Gaerlan I sure hope so. I just feel really bad for dogs that are stuck with owners who
don't know what they're doing. Even more if they also refuse to learn.

Kim Carnell Have you considered doing videos of your training
Eric Brad I do a lot of agility. Square is important but gait and structure are more important. the dog must
move easily if you are going to do any serious exercise.

Nichola Mccarthy Sorry again, Akitas are known to have alot of dna from a wolf, i own an Akita, so
how can you say certain dogs are NOT pack animals, i think the sheba inu has the most dna connected to wolves
( could be wrong about that)

Ashley Oslund Cpdt-ka Yes videos?!

Eric Brad Kim - We've been talking about videos for a while. It's a tough call. Canine Nation is built on a
simple premise. We look to find the best ways to work with our dogs and to adjust what we do to how our dog
learns best. I'm not sure I can show you, by rote, how to teach your dog.

So the difficulty is, how to we translate the principle-based, try-it-for-size methodology we use into videos that
people don't just take for gospel.

I don't want you to train like me. I want you to look at the stuff I looked at and apply it in a way that works for
YOU.

Does that make sense?

Denise O'Moore ADMIN NOTE: You know what I think we should give a prize to the best Tattoo - get
those dog related pics up here!!!!!

Shay Kelly Were also closely related to Bananas Nichola Mccarthy, doesn't make us Bananas

Kim Carnell it does, it is hard I watch lots of videos and read lots but I find I have to adapt very
quickly and on my feet for many dogs as like us they are individuals and have different learning abilities
Eric Brad Here's an example:
There's a dozen agility instructors out there that will tell you that it's critical to keep control of what you do with
your arms while directing your dog.

In working with my dog, I discovered that she ignores my arms mostly and depends on the set of my shoulders to
give her direction.

So, should I worry about my arms?

My dog told me what was important.

Not the instructor.

Nichola Mccarthy Sorry not being disrespectful but could you please answer my question

Denise O'Moore May have to use that as a quote Eric

Eric Brad Nicole - Humans and Bonobos share over 98% of their dna. I rarely feel the need to pick bugs
off of my wife.

Lindsay Mann If you are "close" in dna you can still be miles apart ....

Denise O'Moore Am sure Petra is thrilled with that comment!

Eric Brad I did say "rarely"

Denise O'Moore Hamsters have a close association to humans regarding lungs but we are species
apart...

Eric Brad We have ticks up here.

Denise O'Moore Lovely

Pauline Bianca Gaerlan Another question, is it okay to redirect a dog by doing a clap accompanied
by a sharp "uh-uh"? My beagle keeps eating plants so yesterday I tried the clap whenever I saw him getting near
the plant box. He would then come back to me so I ask for a sit/down/stand then reward and release. Is doing a
clap too harsh? If so, what's a good alternative?


Eric Brad So...some unsolicited advice.

THINK - Don't take things on the word of an Authority.
TEST - Does it work when you use it on a dog?
CHANGE - Doing something more or harder doesn't make it different.
FORGIVE - We all make mistakes, dogs and humans alike.
Pauline - What you describe above is what we call an "Interrupter" It startles the dog into stopping to see why you
are making that noise. It provides the opportunity to redirect or retrain behaviour.

Kim Carnell I have a family of 6 dogs and to each of them different things are important they do not
fight for resources they do not hunt together there is no pack leader that keeps them under control. They are very
social, it is important to remember that all the original studies of wolves were done and disputed by the person
who wrote about them

Eric Brad In our house we use a sharp "HEY!" as our interrrupter.

It's not meant as a punisher, but to interrupt so we can redirect.

Do any of you read my stuff or listen to the podcasts?

Christine Holmes Spriggs Bennett in my house the interrupter is "OY!" and you can charge your word
the same way you charge a clicker.


Denise O'Moore yup...

Kim Carnell me

Shay Kelly no, but will be in the future
Jennie Sillence Nichola Mccarthy, maybe you could read In Defence Of Dogs. If your in UK you
might be able to get it from the library. Not only are we genetically close to apes, but even a small difference in
DNA makes a huge difference in beings.

Kim Carnell we do have it in the uk

Lindsay Mann Yes have read some stuff Eric

Eric Brad Just wondering if those of you who have read or listened have any questions or suggestions.

Denise O'Moore In Defence of Dogs goes under a different name in US think it is called Dog Sense?
Could be wrong so please correct me - author is John Bradshaw.

Eric Brad Yes. Bradshaw's book is Dog Sense in North America.

Ashley Oslund Cpdt-ka Suggestions for topics that you would write about?

Eric Brad Ashley - I'm always open to suggestions about topics.

I did want to mention that we have a Canine Nation Forum group here on Facebook. We discuss the articles and
podcasts and all manner of things in a respectful and open way. You are all welcome to join. It's a closed group
so you will have to be approved.

Kim Carnell that sounds good link please

Eric Brad I think that one of the most important lessons I have learned through all of this transition is that
it is not fatal to be WRONG.

In fact, I enjoy being wrong.
Every time I am wrong, I am closer to the truth.

And isn't that the way science works?

Christine Holmes Spriggs Bennett being wrong = learning experience

Shay Kelly Eric, are you a Buddhist?


Denise O'Moore Tao

Eric Brad Shay - I consider myself a practicing Taoist. Practicing because, well, I'm not very good at it
yet.

Kim Carnell Have you read the Tao of Pooh


Eric Brad Since we're winding down, I wanted to leave you all with something to ponder. Science is
important. It is a way of discovering and making sense of the universe. It is a way of discovering and making
sense of our DOGS and our relationships with them. It's important that we keep asking questions and trying to
understand more. It's what Canine Nation is all about.

I hope you enjoy this short video as much as I do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_YHVFoXkM

Bill Nye - The Joy of Discovery
A marvelous excerpt from Bill Nye's recent debate set to original music.
Denise Robertroy I just checked to see answer to my question & found your waiting for an answer. Is this
conversation still occurring?

Eric Brad Yes.
Go ahead Denise Robertroy

Denise O'Moore ADMIN NOTE: 10 mins guys_ thats it! Anyone got anymore questions for Eric please
post and tag till Saturday and seeing as only one person posted pic of Tatt they will be getting Ebooks from
Eric. as always thank you so much to our members for participating and a huge thank you to Eric Brad.

Denise Robertroy I felt the throw down only need to be done a few times & each of my dogs knew I was
pack leader

Eric Brad Some links for you:

Articles can be found at:

http://caninenation.lifeasahuman.com


Podcasts and articles can be found at:

http://caninenation.ca

LIFE AS A HUMAN Dog Training By Eric Brad
lifeasahuman.com
Eric Brad inspires readers to change the way we relate to our dogs
Pauline Bianca Gaerlan Sadly, I don't have a tatt. But thank you for answering my questions, Eric
Brad!

Denise Robertroy Once my dog was down, feet facing away I never used force, just stern tone.

Kim Carnell Why did you feel the need to throw your dog down in the first place

Eric Brad Denise Robertroy - Dogs are not pack animals and do not need a Pack Leader. They are
dependents in a family and need a Parent or Guardian. By pinning your dog down you demonstrated that you are
capable of causing them physical harm and there is nothing they can do to fight you. That is VERY different from
leadership. That's fear.

It makes perfect sense that your dog would do whatever was necessary to avoid that kind of treatment again.

Denise Robertroy This is what was taught to me in the 80's
Eric Brad For myself, I prefer to give my dogs lots of things they can try to earn rewards rather than avoid
punishments. I would rather have them thinking about things they can do that I would LIKE rather than wondering
if they might get punished.

Lindsay Mann Denise I was around in the 80s and did crazy things like (god forbid, how
embarrassing to ad mit it, but biting a dog's ear!!) things have moved on and dog training is exciting!

Kim Carnell never used that method in the 80s even with a dog that bit me

Lindsay Mann The 80s was not a fab time for dog training.. at least till clicker training appeared with
Pryor etc

Eric Brad Denise Robertroy - We were taught the same thing back then. It's a big part of what got us into
trouble.

We used to do the same with our puppies back then.

Kim Carnell Barbara Woodhouse and check chains I remember
Eric Brad Somewhere in a cupboard somewhere I still have a shock collar, a prong collar, and a choke
chain.

Kim Carnell where do you see yourself in say 10yrs time Eric Brad

Eric Brad I also have vinyl records and an Atari game system.

Kim - Wow. Tough question. I don't usually think that far ahead. I never thought that science based training could
get me 3 agility championships, articles, podcasts, and ebooks. But there you go.

Jennie Sillence Nothing wrong with vinyl records. Nothing has sounded so good

Eric Brad I guess I'd like to get a couple of longer books written about life with dogs. A book about how
we train agility. I'd love to get out and talk with groups about what I've learned.

Kim Carnell where would you like training to be heading in that time

Eric Brad Mine or everyone else's?

Denise Robertroy Haha, I've got a turn table for my vinyls. So, your saying dogs are not pack animals?

Kim Carnell yours and everyone elses
Dogs are not pack animals have you read Dominance Fact or Fiction by Barry Eaton

Shay Kelly Eric Brad what's your favourite piece of training equipment

Denise Robertroy Nope, but I'm gonna!! Tks

Eric Brad For myself, I want to keep learning. I'm doing a lot more reading about neuro-biology these
days and psychology. I've gotten into some reading about bio-chemistry and how effects emotions and learning
in dogs. And I want to get better at my craft - the mechanics of being a good teacher and trainer for my dogs.
Denise Robertroy - I'm not saying dogs are not pack animals - Science is saying dogs are not pack animals. It's
not opinion. There are studies that document that fact.



Kim Carnell Good sound plan of action
Denise Robertroy What about Ceaser, the popular trainer on tv. He says they are pack

Eric Brad Then I would say that Cesar Millan is not up on the latest scientific research about dogs.


Denise O'Moore ADMIN NOTE: Shay Kelly and Nicola Morey are now the new proud owners of Erics Ebooks

Lindsay Mann Eric it sounds as if you've done really well in agility circles, I hope you can share some
of those things in a book about how you train agility (with lots of photos in it of course!)

Kim Carnell unfortunately he has no qualifications on animal behaviour and that would make me
question his understanding of dogs

Shay Kelly nor do I

Denise Robertroy Wow! Okay, trust me I've got reading to do. I'm stuck in the 80's

Kim Carnell Denise Robertroy there are lots of great books out there enjoy your reading

Lindsay Mann So many! You will have so much fun!
Eric Brad Well, before I check out, let me encourage all of you to do one important thing. Let yourself be
WRONG about things! It's ok to not know everything. Be willing to check things out and ask questions. And, if
necessary, just admit that things aren't the way you always thought they were.

It changed my life. I have never been the same since. And I am a better person for it. :

Lindsay Mann It's great to see such an open mind, I love it!

Shay Kelly Much Thanks
Tricia Draper Denise Robertroy have a look at Kikopup on youtube and Nando Brown all positive
trainers

Kim Carnell I am often wrong, I am always learning a great life

Denise Robertroy Will do

Jennie Sillence And Chirag Patel videos

Eric Brad You were all terrific! Thanks for the great questions. Thanks for listening. And I hope this was useful
for you guys. It sure was fun for me!

Kim Carnell You can ask on here about good books to read
Lindsay Mann Thanks Eric, very enjoyable!

Denise Robertroy I'm sooo excited because I have a pup Dobie that I'm enjoying training.

Kim Carnell Thank you Eric for giving up your time to chat to us
Thank you Denise O'Moore for organising it for us

Jason Currie Eric been great having you with us


Denise O'Moore ADMIN NOTE: Thank you everyone!!! This has to be one of our biggest chats ever
so Jason and I really appreciate your input. Please keep an eye out for our next guest chat and all of Eric's links.


Jason Currie Thanks Denise super interview


Eric Brad Thanks to everyone and especially Jason Currie and Denise O'Moore for keeping me updated and
ontrack behind the scenes.
Christine Holmes Spriggs Bennett thank you Eric Brad!!

Justin Palazzo-Orr Thank you very much Eric Brad and Denise O'Moore. Sadly time zones and 8 months
old human presented function altering stimuli that reduced my capacity to perform the behaviour of engaging in
this great thread within the limited hold period.

Denise O'Moore http://lifeasahuman.com/.../what-if-we-could-communicate.../

What If We Could Communicate With Dogs?
lifeasahuman.com
It was early evening in the spring of 2002 when I found myself 10 feet across
Http://CanineNation.ca.
&Http://CanineNation.lifeasahuman.com

the above are some of Eric's links - please check them out