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Home | Pope Francis On Frantic Quest To Unite All Religions Under Rome
Pope Francis On Frantic Quest To Unite All
Religions Under Rome
NTEB News Desk | June 8, 2014 | 390 Comments
The Pope is working to combine all religions into one
And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus:
and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. Revelation 17:6
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Pope Francis is a man on a mission to fulill bible prophecy, and he is getting more done than any other
Pope in the last 100 years. Pope Francis is here to make some serious and drastic changes not only in the
Catholic Vatican system, in the professing Christianity as well. He is creating the One World Religion.
The bible, in Revelation 17 and 18, talks about a harlot church that rules the spiritual world. She is
wealthy beyond description, and all the kings and mighty men of the earth want to be in a spiritual bed
with her. The bible says that she is a city that sitteth on seven hills, and is drunk with the blood of the
saints. This can only be one system, one place, one church the Roman Catholic Church whose Vatican
headquarters sits on the famed Seven Hills in Rome.
Pope Franciss call for unity goes beyond the Christian community. During his recent visit to
the Middle East, Francis invited Israeli Jewish and Muslim leaders to join him in prayer for
peace for their region at the Vatican this Sunday. Israels Chief of State Shimon Peres and
Palestinian President Abu Mazen will be joined by a delegation of rabbis, Islamic imams, and
Israeli Druze community leaders, according to news reports.
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This week, not only did Pope Francis hold ecumenical services in the Vatican where he prayed to the moon
god of Islam, Allah, he also held high level meetings with megachurch pastor Joel Osteen and US Senator
Mike Lee who was there to represent the Mormon church. The actors have taken the stage, with more still
arriving, in the unfolding of what will one day soon be the wildest bible prophecy ever told the Great
Tribulation.
Joel Osteen was enthralled with the fact that Pope Francis is so inclusive:
I like the fact that this pope is trying to make the church larger, not smaller. Hes not pushing
people out but making the church more inclusive. That resonated with me, Osteen told the
Houston Chronicle.
The Christian Post reports that according to Westmont College, Francis had invited more than a dozen
North American Protestant leaders to discuss the question: Can we ind common ground in order to
advance the life and ministry of Jesus so more people can experience the joy of Christian faith?
The ecumenical meeting was a part of Pope Francis on-going efforts to bring unity
among Christians, previously stating in public remarks, Divisions among us, but also
divisions among the communities: evangelical Christians, orthodox Christians, Catholic
Christians, but why divided? We must try to bring about unity.
However, Pope Franciss call for unity goes beyond the Christian community. During his recent visit to
the Middle East, Francis invited Israeli Jewish and Muslim leaders to join him in prayer for peace for their
region at the Vatican this Sunday. Israels Chief of State Shimon Peres and Palestinian President Abu Mazen
will be joined by a delegation of rabbis, Islamic imams, and Israeli Druze community leaders, according to
news reports.


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Brian McArthur Top Commenter Motherwell, North Lanarkshire
How can different religions worshipping different Gods ever come together.Perhaps we are
witnessing the great falling away the Bible talks about before the return of the Lord Jesus.Maybe
this is the lie that the Bible talks also about where the worshippers are deceived into thinking that
they are all worshipping the same God.Think for a moment,how can a religion that worships a
Pagan Moon God,Allah and that rejects Gods Son Jesus ever be joined into the so called Christian
church whose supposed to spread the good news that salvation comes only through the sacrifice
and acceptance of the Son of God,Jeshua.In order for these two opposing religions to work there is
going to have to be a lot of deceiving going on.Don't be fooled,the Bible clearly states that there is
only one way to salvation and that is through the shed blood,sacrifice,death on a cross and then the
glorious resurrection of Gods only begotten Son,Jesus.Period.
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Lu Lu Morrison Top Commenter St. Xavier Academy
amen!
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Daniel Phillips Harvard University
Question to ask yourself ... http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0094/0094_01.asp
Could this be OUR last generation we are seeing ?
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Amy Lewis Top Commenter Bronx, New York
One world religion is what's being worked on now!
I don't plan to be a part of it.
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Geoffrey Grider Top Commenter 1,577 followers
The Rapture happens BEFORE the Tribulation starts. The Church is witnessing the "warm-up" but
we will be taken OUT before the Tribulation actually begins. http://nowtheendbegins.com/pages/
rapture/the-pretribulation-rapture-explained.htm
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Roy M Cooper Http://RoyMCooper.SkinnyFiberPlus.com at Skinny Body Care
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I am so SICK of this evil world! Jesus come get Your Bride!
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Elaine Loftus Gray Top Commenter
Yeah, I used to believe that Rapture stuff. Not anymore and you should check it out.
Number one, Yahweh didn't make it the Saints and the Jews, 2 separate people.
Remember we are ONE in Him. No difference if we are saved. If we are grafted in, just
like if you adopted a child, would you let him do his own thing while the rest of the family
did another??? No. They do the same. Yeshua said to do as He did. He did the feasts(
nothing of Christmas, easter or other pagan traditions) and HE and the others kept the
Sabbath. Catholics changed that. Check out 119 Ministries and Jim Staley for starters.
Yeah, I know, people call them Hebrew Roots Cult. Watch the and listen to what they
say, weigh it for yourself, check the Bible and believe what you want. We need to put our
PHAROAH heart to the side for a while and check. Dont you think we have been lied to?
Satan has been busy cuz his time is short. The whole thing though, is that He has to
draw us, coax us because we don't find Him as He isn't lost. We are. Those 2 places on
internet should open your eyes and then there is a little struggle, war in your mind as to
the truth because we have been duped all these years in the mainstream church and
bunny and santa garbage. If its new, its not true. If its true, its not NEW. We are not
supposed to follow mans traditions.
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Lucy Balboa Carroll County High School (Hillsville, Virginia)
I agree that we need to check things out ,The devil is a cunning one, & will fool many.
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STL says:
June 9, 2014 at 12:12 am
Hail! The False Prophet! Pope Francis. It only a matter of a short time before the 7 year Tribulation
begins!
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Peter says:
June 13, 2014 at 3:33 pm
What makes him a false prophet? Pope Francis is only trying to create peace in the world. This
website has a lot of good information I agree with but false misconceptions about Catholicism.
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JT says:
June 9, 2014 at 12:13 am
REVELATION 18:24 Mystery Babylon
And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
LUKE 13:31-34
The same day there came certain of the Pharisees, saying unto him, Get thee out, and depart hence:
for Herod will kill thee.
And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures today and
tomorrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.
**Nevertheless I must walk today, and tomorrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a
prophet perish out of Jerusalem.**
Jesus said a prophet CAN NOT perish outside of JerusalemMystery Babylon Identiied.
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Brenda Murphy says:
June 9, 2014 at 7:47 pm
2.
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Right, JT!
Jerusalem and Israel- has always been the harlot-they need to study Old and New testament
together.
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sayanim says:
June 10, 2014 at 12:40 am
THE ONLY HARLOT CHURCH IS THE RCC, WHICH SITS ON SEVEN HILLS.
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Brenda Murphy says:
June 10, 2014 at 9:59 am
The devil has his decoys. The Catholic church is of the antichrist spirit, just like
many others, but it never was the apple of Gods eye, now, was it?
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Revelation 2:9 says:
June 10, 2014 at 12:10 pm
Hey Brenda, you know what a sayanim is?
Revelation 2:9 says:
June 10, 2014 at 12:09 pm
I know what a sayanim is you rat!
The secret to Israels force-multiplier in the U.S. is its use of agents, assets and
sayanim (Hebrew for volunteers) With oversight by Israeli case oficers (katsas),
Israeli operations proceed in the U.S. by using agents, assets and volunteers
(sayanim).
Much like military reservists, sayanim are activated when needed to support an
operation. By agreeing to be available to help Israel, they provide an on-call
undercover corps and force-multiplier that can be deployed on short notice
When not aiding an ongoing operation, sayanim gather and report intelligence
useful to Israel. This volunteer corps is deeply imbedded in legislative bodies,
particularly in the U.S.
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I want to tell you something very clear, dont worry about American pressure on
Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it. Israeli
Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, October 3rd, 2001.
According to Viktor Ostrovsky: There are thousands of sayanim around the
world You have at your disposal a non-risk recruitment system that actually
gives you a pool of millions of Jewish people to tap from outside your own
borders.
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Brenda Murphy says:
June 10, 2014 at 12:24 pm
oh
Ron Murphy says:
June 9, 2014 at 8:03 pm
Amen, JT. To go with that in Luke 13,
Luk 13:34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent
unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her
brood under her wings, and ye would not!
Luk 13:35 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not
see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the
Lord.
Desolate! as in abomination of desolation. Thank God for those that have eyes to see and ears
to hear. Even the two prophets will prophesy in Jerusalem, and will die and lay dead in the
street of Jerusalem. It is written, the great city, where our Lord was cruciied, Rev 11:8
Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE
MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
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emeka says:
June 16, 2014 at 1:35 pm
tell the name of your own church and i will tell you the real anti-Christ
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Anonymous says:
June 9, 2014 at 4:14 am
Maybe by the 4th Blood moon the 7 year Tribulation begins?
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Geoffrey Grider says:
June 9, 2014 at 4:18 am
The Rapture happens BEFORE the Tribulation starts. The Church is witnessing the "warm-up" but
we will be taken OUT before the Tribulation actually begins. http://nowtheendbegins.com/pages
/rapture/the-pretribulation-rapture-explained.htm
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Elaine Loftus Gray says:
June 9, 2014 at 5:52 pm
FacebookJust read and see who Israel is or go to Israel and talk to the Israelis and they will tell
you who Israel is. They know .
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4.
NTEB News Desk says:
June 9, 2014 at 12:19 am
The Rapture happens BEFORE the Tribulation starts. The Church is witnessing the warm-up but
we will be taken OUT before the Tribulation actually begins. http://nowtheendbegins.com/pages
/rapture/the-pretribulation-rapture-explained.htm
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Veritus says:
June 9, 2014 at 2:15 am
No. There is no such thing as a rapture before the tribulation.
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MRH says:
June 19, 2014 at 12:10 am
True, as rapture precedes the end (1 Cor 15)
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Matt says:
June 9, 2014 at 6:50 am
Yes there is a Rapture. Just like Lot was rescued from Sodom and Gomorrah God has a history
of taking the believers out prior to the destruction. It will be far better for those who choose
light rather than darkness now and taken in the rapture rather than having to do this during
the dark, dark times of the tribulation.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the
archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise irst:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to
meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
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Sandra Farrell says:
June 9, 2014 at 1:01 pm
AMEN!
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shal says:
June 10, 2014 at 1:12 pm
now how does that bible text say anything about a rapture, this text is clearly speaking
about the second coming of Christ. you are misinterpreting bible information.
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MRH says:
June 19, 2014 at 12:14 am
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The second coming of Christ is a staged event; for saints (after tribulation), with
saints (during wrath)
P.S. The bible is sadly the most misunderstood book
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Ron Murphy says:
June 9, 2014 at 8:35 pm
It would be believable if you had Bible, but you just dont have it. Gods word is supreme, mans
understanding is blah and dim, at best. What you have is nothing more the Jesus account of
Matthew 24, accepting that is hard meat to chew for some.
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larry wood says:
June 9, 2014 at 10:11 pm
Ron, You are right ,It is to him that believeth,It must not be for you
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Ron Murphy says:
June 10, 2014 at 9:56 am
Yes that is correct, its not for me. I believe in the Bible, it says, just after
tribulation, Jesus will gather his elect, from all over heaven and earth. My friend,
that is not his coming from heaven to war, for then we will not have to be gathered,
but we will be following him. Those horses we will be riding will not get lost. They
are heavenly horses with mighty features, Rev 9:17.
This is the battle when he returns, not Matthew 24:31.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses,
clothed in ine linen, white and clean.
Why cant you distinguish the difference?
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Roy M Cooper says:
June 9, 2014 at 4:27 am
I am so SICK of this evil world! Jesus come get Your Bride!
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MRH says:
June 19, 2014 at 12:18 am
Happy wishful dreaming, as God has future holy plans for the church, and the rapture escape is
deinitely not irst on the task list
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STL says:
June 9, 2014 at 1:17 am
NTEB: remember our discussion of the 4 Blood moons? I guess the 1st Blood Moon that occurred on
April 15, 2014 is show us about the event of Pope Francis as the False Prophet, calling on Israel and
Muslims join into ONE WORLD RELIGION. Now the next Blood Moon happens Oct. 8, 2014, what
next event will happen to Israel and the World?
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Anonymous says:
June 9, 2014 at 5:26 am
Mr. Grider: I believe why it states in 1st Cor. 15:51 As a Mystery event being change to we can go to
heaven in the rapture, is that this event will happen by Sept. 2015 the 4th Blood moon event, in the
confusion of a counter attack by Russia, Iran, Libya, Turkey, Sudan to Israel, which some calls the
Magog war, and the USA inancial crisis with there stock markets and a possible mega earthquake in
the Nothwest of the USA and possibility of a few volcanoes exploding into the air circle our globed,
No one will relized what happen to millions of people?
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Revelation 2:9 says:
June 9, 2014 at 2:21 am
In 1492 CE, Chemor, chief Rabbi of Spain, wrote to the Grand Sanhedrin, which had its seat in
Constantinople, for advice, when a Spanish law threatened expulsion (after the fall of Muslim rule in
spain).
This was the reply:
Beloved brethren in Moses, we have received your letter in which you tell us of the anxieties and
misfortunes which you are enduring. We are pierced by as great pain to hear it as yourselves. The
advice of the Grand Satraps and Rabbis is the following:
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1. As for what you say that the King of Spain obliges you to become Christians: do it, since you
cannot do otherwise.
2. As for what you say about the command to despoil you of your property: make your sons
merchants that they may despoil, little by little, the Christians of theirs.
3. As for what you say about making attempts on your lives: make your sons doctors and
apothecaries, that they may take away Christians lives.
4. As for what you say of their destroying your synagogues: make your sons canons and clerics in
order that they may destroy their churches. [Emphasis mine]
5. As for the many other vexations you complain of: arrange that your sons become advocates and
lawyers, and see that they always mix in affairs of State, that by putting Christians under your yoke
you may dominate the world and be avenged on them.
6. Do not swerve from this order that we give you, because you will ind by experience that,
humiliated as you are, you will reach the actuality of power.
(Signed) PRINCE OF THE JEWS OF CONSTANTINOPLE.
-
The reply is found in the sixteenth century Spanish book, La Silva Curiosa, by Julio-Iniguez de
Medrano (Paris, Orry, 1608), on pages 156 and 157, with the following explanation: This letter
following was found in the archives of Toledo by the Hermit of Salamanca, (while) searching the
ancient records of the kingdoms of Spain; and, as it is expressive and remarkable, I wish to write it
here. vide, photostat facing page 80. ~ The above was quoted from Waters Flowing Eastward by
Paquita de Shishmareff, pp. 73-74
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Elsabe du Plooy says:
June 9, 2014 at 7:04 am
Pope Francis can have his One World Religion I prefer Christ's religion.
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Kristi says:
June 9, 2014 at 3:52 am
This pope is UN-holy and dead WRONG!! APOTHSY!!
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Elaine Loftus Gray says:
June 9, 2014 at 7:55 am
Yeah, I used to believe that Rapture stuff. Not anymore and you should check it out. Number one,
Yahweh didn't make it the Saints and the Jews, 2 separate people. Remember we are ONE in Him. No
difference if we are saved. If we are grafted in, just like if you adopted a child, would you let him do
his own thing while the rest of the family did another??? No. They do the same. Yeshua said to do as
He did. He did the feasts( nothing of Christmas, easter or other pagan traditions) and HE and the
12.
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others kept the Sabbath. Catholics changed that. Check out 119 Ministries and Jim Staley for starters.
Yeah, I know, people call them Hebrew Roots Cult. Watch the and listen to what they say, weigh it for
yourself, check the Bible and believe what you want. We need to put our PHAROAH heart to the side
for a while and check. Dont you think we have been lied to? Satan has been busy cuz his time is
short. The whole thing though, is that He has to draw us, coax us because we don't ind Him as He
isn't lost. We are. Those 2 places on internet should open your eyes and then there is a little struggle,
war in your mind as to the truth because we have been duped all these years in the mainstream
church and bunny and santa garbage. If its new, its not true. If its true, its not NEW. We are not
supposed to follow mans traditions.
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Brian McArthur says:
June 9, 2014 at 11:29 am
How can different religions worshipping different Gods ever come together.Perhaps we are
witnessing the great falling away the Bible talks about before the return of the Lord Jesus.Maybe this
is the lie that the Bible talks also about where the worshippers are deceived into thinking that they
are all worshipping the same God.Think for a moment,how can a religion that worships a Pagan
Moon God,Allah and that rejects Gods Son Jesus ever be joined into the so called Christian church
whose supposed to spread the good news that salvation comes only through the sacriice and
acceptance of the Son of God,Jeshua.In order for these two opposing religions to work there is going
to have to be a lot of deceiving going on.Don't be fooled,the Bible clearly states that there is only one
way to salvation and that is through the shed blood,sacriice,death on a cross and then the glorious
resurrection of Gods only begotten Son,Jesus.Period.
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Henco Swart says:
June 9, 2014 at 11:36 am
I do not believe in a pre-trib rapture. The Western Church haven't been tested and tried like the
Church in Communist and Islamic nations, yet we hope for Christ to save us from persecution and
times of testing? Are we better Christians than our Eastern brothers? Jesus said 'Blessed are you
when you are persecuted for My sake', yet we want to 'run away' Also, in the book of Revelation it
says that those that lost their lives for Christ' sake, will receive a crown of life People, I do believe
we should check our willingness to endure this tribulation. If your eschatological theology is wrong,
and Christ tarries, many Christians will lose their eternal salvation Phillipians 2 urges us to have
the same attitude that Jesus had, that we would be obedient to the point of death, and becoming
servants. The common rapture theology is much too much a Gospel of comfort, while Jesus said that
if He was cruciied and killed, that we should expect the same We will be comforted, yes, and I look
forward to that but we have to forsake ourselves, pick up our cross, and endure. That is to what we
have been called while we are still here on earth.
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Larry Grant says: 15.
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June 9, 2014 at 7:40 am
that day shall not come until all these things be fulilled
I just wonder when Joel Osteen is going to come out of the closet?
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watchman48 says:
June 9, 2014 at 7:53 am
Amazing, this idiocy matches that which is in the White House
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Lucy Balboa says:
June 9, 2014 at 12:35 pm
I agree that we need to check things out ,The devil is a cunning one, & will fool many.
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Jan Naumann says:
June 9, 2014 at 12:48 pm
http://www.rapturetruth.org/
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Dan (required) says:
June 9, 2014 at 8:50 am
http://www.wnd.com/2013/05/mystery-babylon-is-mecca-not-vatican/
Is the mystery babylon Saudi Arabia or Rome ?
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Fanci McGufin says:
June 9, 2014 at 1:31 pm
Elaine Loftus Gray That "rapture stuff" is called the harpazo and it is scriptural.
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MRH says:
June 19, 2014 at 1:58 am
Rapture true.. timing false
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Paul Mitchell says:
June 9, 2014 at 1:38 pm
You have some very good points, but I disagree with you on rapture, however if you are in Christ
when he comes is not important you are already dead with him; the lesh skins will pass no matter
what they are corrupt, and in addition Paul our Apostle commanded thru his revelations not taught
by man that we study to show ourselves approved and not ashamed. That is a personal
responsibility as in 2 Tim 2:15. It is better to unite then divide, and it is better to light a candle then
curse the dark. The rapture is not to ly folks out of here to make them safe no not at all it is to inish
the Gospel to the Kingdom for his people and the earthly Kingdom vs the heavenly realm. The Gospel
of the Kingdom was only postponed for the "ONE NEW MAN" which is as you said one. However the
whole of Israel will be saved and he will inish what he started in the Gospel of the Kingdom vs Grace
they are different.
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Geoffrey Grider says:
June 9, 2014 at 1:40 pm
Elaine Loftus Gray The Body of Christ made up of Jews and Gentiles does not change God's plan
for the Jews and Israel during the time of Jacob's Trouble, the Great Tribulation. After the Rapture,
God will once again turn His full attention back to Israel and the Jews as the scriptures have said.
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Now The End Begins says:
June 9, 2014 at 1:43 pm
RAPTURE TRUTH: http://nowtheendbegins.com/pages/rapture/the-pretribulation-rapture-
explained.htm
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Now The End Begins says:
June 9, 2014 at 1:44 pm
The Pretribulation Rapture is a bible doctrine: http://nowtheendbegins.com/pages/rapture
/the-pretribulation-rapture-explained.htm
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Glenn Holland says:
June 9, 2014 at 1:44 pm
Elaine Loftus Gray The Mosaic Law could never save a person. It's function was to point to a Holy
God, man's sin and the need to a Savior.
Christians are not under the Mosaic Law.
10 "Now therefore why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke
which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear ? 11 "But we believe that we are saved
through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they also are." 12 All the people kept silent,
and they were listening to Barnabas and Paul as they were relating what signs and wonders God had
done through them among the Gentiles.
27 "Therefore we have sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will also report the same things by
word of mouth. 28 "For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater
burden than these essentials : 29 that you abstain from things sacriiced to idols and from blood and
from things strangled and from fornication ; if you keep yourselves free from such things, you will do
well. Farewell."
- Acts 15
For if that irst covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion sought for a second.
Hebrews 8:7
When He said, "A new covenant," He has made the irst obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete
and growing old is ready to disappear. Hebrews 8:13
1 You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was
publiclyportrayed as cruciied ? 2 This is the only thing I want to ind out from you: did you receive
theSpirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith ? 3 Are you so foolish ? Having begun by
the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the lesh ? Galatians 3
Be careful.
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Jeff Myers says:
June 9, 2014 at 2:04 pm
Used to watch Jim, he has many OLD great teachings for more in depth teachings in truth, check out
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"double portion ministries",and" A Rood Awakening, The Jonah Code" , they realize going back to
"christian" roots leads to confusion!
laine Loftus Gray
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Henco Swart says:
June 9, 2014 at 2:37 pm
Now The End Begins Does the Bible not state: "At the last trumpet, we all will be changed"? So, what
is that last trumpet referring, if the irst 6 haven't been already sounded. Maybe I may
misunderstand a bit about the Pre-trib rapture, but I do believe that our attitude should relect a
willingness to stay and to do whatever God wants of us. Remember, He is God, we are serving Him.
Also, what does the scripture mean with this: ' Those that endure until the end, will be saved'? With
many Biblical igures', they went through persecution and suffering. Daniel along with Shadrac,
Meshac and Abednego being examples of this and how many Christians were sawn in half, fed to
Lions, used as human torches, beheaded, etc. like Hebrews 11 tells us Jesus Himself was the
example of that we should aspire to, and His death was one of the most cruel and degrading. But He
is Alive It is in forsaking our own desires and needs, and dying to ourselves, that we will ind
eternal life and unfortunately, the much of the rapture-theory is still very much testifying of our
own need for self-preservation. I believe that we should be willing for that. I also do pray that I may
be found worthy of such a death. Jesus died a public humiliating death for us. I believe we should be
willing at least to the same for Him. If the Rapture saves us, praise God. If it doesn't, praise God but
in our deaths, may God be gloriied. I hope you understand that as I have put it to you. We have to
display courage, and being 'saved' during the rapture is not showing that much courage
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MRH says:
June 18, 2014 at 11:57 pm
Does the Bible not state: At the last trumpet, we all will be changed? So, what is that last
trumpet referring, if the irst 6 havent been already sounded
@Henco: Suppose the trumpets are actually blowing?
http://aeroventure.com/REVELATION/7-TRUMPETS.htm
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Stephen Zee says:
June 9, 2014 at 3:10 pm
Henco Swart does it not also state 1 Thessalonians 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but
to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
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Kenneth J. Fields says:
June 9, 2014 at 3:33 pm
The Great Tribulation will be the Time of Jacob's Trouble. The Church of Christ will not be on Earth
at that time. I understand your argument. And while we're NOT better than other saints, we ARE
saved by the blood of Christ. Whether we do anything to earn rewards is another matter entirely.
Our 'works' do not qualify or disqualify us from our redemption at the time of the Rapture.
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MRH says:
June 19, 2014 at 1:26 am
The Great Tribulation will be the Time of Jacobs Trouble. The Church of Christ will not be on
Earth at that time
@Kenneth: Prove all things if you can
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Kenneth J. Fields says:
June 9, 2014 at 3:34 pm
Elaine Loftus Gray I have been studying this topic for about 20 years. I hate to disagree with you at
one level, but at another it is better for us. Your argument that we are all one in Him is not valid. Yes,
those that are saved (Jew and Gentile) are part of the church and therefore are all one with Christ.
But the nation of Israel is another matter altogether. The Jews are the 'elect' of God and the
Christians are the 'redeemed' of God. With two different futures (same destination) ahead. As a
rebuttal to the feast day/holiday argument read: Colossians 2:16.
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MRH says:
June 19, 2014 at 1:32 am
The Jews are the elect of God and the Christians are the redeemed of God
@Kenneth: Prove such balderdash if you even can
Rom 8:33 KJV Who shall lay any thing to the charge of Gods elect? It is God that justiieth.
Col 3:12 KJV Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies,
kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
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Tit 1:1 KJV Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of
Gods elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
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Robieone says:
June 9, 2014 at 11:38 am
I deinitely believe in the pre-trib rapture. I believe that Revelation clearly states that GOD will keep
us from the hour of tribulation. And you would have to ignore a great deal of scripture if you dont
believe in it.
GOD will not let HIS church go through the hell of tribulation. That is inconsistent with who HE is.
Thank you and God bless.
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Jim Blake says:
June 9, 2014 at 12:20 pm
Saying that you dont believe that God allowing His church to go through tribulation is
inconsistent with who He is, is rediculous. Look at the suffering men and women have endured
for His name through the centuries and even today in muslim states. Talk to the Voice of the
Martyrs if you wonder if suffering for God is consistant with who He is.
Years ago, God told me that the god of North America is comfort. This is demonstrated through
many unbiblical North American church doctrines, like the prosperity gospel, the positive
confession movement, the name it and claim it movement, and the Pre-Tribulation movement.
All of these movements claim we will be kept from sorrow, sickness and poverty.
As for the Pre-Tribulation theology, Jesus prayed to the Father and said:
John 17:15-21
I do not ask that you take them out of the world, but that you keep them from the evil one.
They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. Sanctify them in the truth; your word is
truth. As you sent me into the world, so I have sent them into the world. And for their sake I
consecrate myself, that they also may be sanctiied in truth.
I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, that
they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so
that the world may believe that you have sent me.
Matthew 10:17-22
Beware of men, for they will deliver you over to courts and log you in their synagogues, and
you will be dragged before governors and kings for my sake, to bear witness before them and
the Gentiles. When they deliver you over, do not be anxious how you are to speak or what you
are to say, for what you are to say will be given to you in that hour. For it is not you who speak,
but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you. Brother will deliver brother over to death,
and the father his child, and children will rise against parents and have them put to death, and
you will be hated by all for my names sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.
We must endure until the end in faith in the Heavenly Fathers Messiah to be saved.
Matthew 24:21-31
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For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world
until now, no, and never will be. And if those days had not been cut short, no human being
would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. Then if anyone says
to you, Look, here is the Christ! or There he is! do not believe it. For false christs and false
prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even
the elect. See, I have told you beforehand. So, if they say to you, Look, he is in the wilderness,
do not go out. If they say, Look, he is in the inner rooms, do not believe it. For as the lightning
comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.
The Coming of the Son of Man
Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will
not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be
shaken. Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the
earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power
and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather
his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
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Dan (required) says:
June 9, 2014 at 6:03 pm
Jim, I can only share this with you brother concerning the church.
It is also the reasons I am a pre-triber.
The church is mentioned nineteen times in Revelation from chapters 1-3 and isnt
mentioned once as being on earth from chapters 4-19 and its in these chapters that the
great outpouring of G-ds wrath is described in detail! Its also very interesting that in
chapters 2 and 3 we read He who has an ear, let him hear what the spirit says to the
churches repeated seven times, while in chapter 13 we see: if anyone has an ear, let
him hear. This is the same warning except that the churches is left out! It seems
unthinkable that G-d would omit mention of the Church if it were still on earth during
these devastating judgments .
Of course see for yourself Jim but in the end were still waiting for the same thing. I
matters little to me. The very fact that its happening makes me beat my chest with joy!
Blessings
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Saint in Light says:
June 9, 2014 at 11:19 pm
Jim-
2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed,
rightly dividing(Rightly Dividing) the word of truth.
Ephesians 3:2
If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
We the body/bride of Christ,live in the dispensation of Grace.
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We are saved by grace Through faith and Not of WORKS, lest Any man should Boast.
We are Not Lordship Salvationists needing to persevere until the end showing Jesus by
our works that we are Worthy for our salvation.
This denies the Gospel of Grace and the inished work of Jesus on the cross and His
Resurrection.
For those Left Behind, this Will be the case.The age of Grace will be over after the
rapture.
Make sure Jim, you didnt get saved through Works and anything you had to do other
than, ONLY BELIEVE.
1 John 5:13
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye
may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of
God.
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Brenda Murphy says:
June 9, 2014 at 11:44 pm
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith
without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also
believe, and tremble.
Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
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Amadea says:
June 10, 2014 at 2:18 pm
But you really need to read the entire passage, right down to verse 26: for as
the body is dead apart from the Spirit, so also faith is dead apart from
works. It isnt works that save us, it is that we exhibit works and Spiritual
fruit BECAUSE we are saved. And James is saying that those who say they are
saved but do no works are deceiving themselves, because if your faith in
Jesus Christ has truly saved you, you will want to do works for HIM. That is
the Holy Spirit working in you. People in the OldTestament were justiied by
works as evidence of their faith in God Almighty. But we today receive such
justiication and grace through Jesus Christ. I mean, even atheists do good
works. Does that mean that those who do not believe in God are justiied?
Jesus said, I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father
except by Me. John 14:6
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Brenda Murphy says:
June 10, 2014 at 3:29 pm
Yes, I KNOW that it is our faith in Christ that saves us, but we have to bear
fruits, or the tree is plucked up, and burned in the ire.
uk 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say
within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That
God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
Luk 3:9 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree
therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the
ire.
Luk 3:10 And the people asked him, saying, What shall we do then?
Luk 3:11 He answereth and saith unto them, He that hath two coats, let him
impart to him that hath none; and he that hath meat, let him do likewise.
Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye
blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the
foundation of the world:
Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye
gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Mat 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in
prison, and ye came unto me.
Mat 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we
thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
Mat 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and
clothed thee?
Mat 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto
you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren,
ye have done it unto me.
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me,
ye cursed, into everlasting ire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and
ye gave me no drink:
Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me
not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
Mat 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee
an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did
not minister unto thee?
Mat 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you,
Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the
righteous into life eternal.
Amadea says:
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Gather His elect FROM ONE END OF HEAVEN to the other!!! The elect are in heaven. How
do we get there???? We meet the LORD in the air at the Rapture. Jesus does not come to
earth in the Rapture. His Second Coming is a separate event which occurs AT THE END of
the tribulation. Another point is that no one is to know the day and the hour of the
coming of the LORD. If the Rapture is to come either mid- or post trib, we WOULD know
the day, for sure. (3-1/2 years from the beginning of the trib or seven years. It could be
calculated.). Not that any of this speculation really makes a difference to bona ide
Christians, who are called to be prepared both in and out of season. Marantha, LORD
Jesus!
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Brenda Murphy says:
June 12, 2014 at 8:20 pm
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be
darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from
heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then
shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in
the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they
shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the
other.
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MRH says:
June 17, 2014 at 11:52 pm
Actually, there is a second worse part to the tribulation, but its not called
tribulation per se
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be
darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from
heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
What is being implied above? I believe it is describing the effects of global nuclear
war. And Joel gives us a vivid clue in below scripture.
Joe 2:30-31 KJV And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood,
and ire, and pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the
moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
P.S. Does not pillars of smoke picture mushroom clouds?
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TeresaB says:
June 9, 2014 at 11:52 am
Guess What City Is the New Islamic Tourism Capital? Hint: Its Not in a Majority-Muslim Country
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/06/08/jerusalem-chosen-as-tourism-capital-for-islam/
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Teresa says:
June 9, 2014 at 12:12 pm
Can someone that is well read tell me something I can read to understand Evangelical verse Roman
Catholic. The RCC believes they have endured for 2,000 years and are the only true church. I
understand the Mormons and Jehovah Witness but the RCC I am not sure of. I read but still can not
answer apologist from them. My grandchildren are in RCC school and being raised RCC. I am well
grounded in my salvation and I am not sure of their RCC salvation.
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Mary Leavesley says:
June 9, 2014 at 4:06 pm
They believe when Jesus said to Peter..upon this rock I will build my church was Peter..St Peter.
That is not what Jesus meant by that statement. Peter was to preach Gods truth Word..Rock..to
all nations.Peter didnt take it that way. Jesus is our Rock..Rock of our salvation. Catholisism
has turned the christain church upside down. If only our reformers could come back and see
what their people are doing with the truth they once had. There is even people saying that the
reformation never occured..hummm..Just like the aunshewitz. We who believe in the Bible as
truth and the whole truth and dont trade our convictions for traditionswill come out
winners.Theres no praying to Mary (Immaculate heart) Jesus is the Way, Truth, and Life
(Light) If more people read their bibles and asked Gods guidance and not take every John,
Dick and Harrys word about it..The truth would be reveiled. I was raised Catholic, my mother
was Baptist. I worshipped with the Lutherns,Baptists Methodists,Episcopalians, and
Congregationalist. Nazarenes,Assembly of God, and non-denomination groups. Of all the
denominations I have attended in over 50yrs. I came accross the Seventh Day Adventists. I do
not plan on leaving this ine denomination, For here I am inding truth in scripture and doing
my best, with Gods help, to live it. i have an understanding of the beast, harlot, and satans
deception. I encourage everyone to pick up that dusty bible and read. The books of Daniel and
Revelation go hand in hand. May god bless you in this reading. You can always pray for
anyone..He hears us
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joeclark77 says:
June 9, 2014 at 4:09 pm
The Catholic Church is the Church founded by Jesus at the last supper. The eleven apostles
(twelve minus Judas) named their own successors, who named their own successors, and so
on, down to the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox bishops living today. Any modern Catholic
bishop can trace his holy orders all the way back to one of the original apostles.
If you want to learn more about what the Church teaches, the most reliable way is to look at
the universal Catechism of the Catholic Church where its all laid out in black and white. There
are several good apologists online. Catholic Answers (catholic.com) has links to several of
them and has special pages for non-Christians and for non-Catholic Christians
(http://www.catholic.com/for-other-christians) that may help you ind what youre looking
for. A couple of good bloggers I recommend are Jimmy Akin and Joe Heschmeyer.
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MRH says:
June 19, 2014 at 12:39 am
The Catholic Church is the Church founded by Jesus at the last supper
False doctrine The Catholic Church was founded by Constantine, as a compromise
between Christianity and Paganism
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Sandyz says:
June 9, 2014 at 8:13 pm
Yes, Teresa a book by Karl Keating, titled Catholicism and Fundamentalism, Ignatious Press.
One of the best books Ive read. Explains so many misconceptions about the Catholic Church.
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Sandy Zerkel says:
June 9, 2014 at 8:20 pm
Hello Teresa, one of the best books I have read explaining the misconceptions about the
Catholic Church is by Karl Keating. Its simply titled Catholicism and Fundamentalism.
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Lisa says:
June 10, 2014 at 6:34 pm
Teresa,
check out http://www.proclaimingthegospel.org/equip/articles/27-are-catholics-deceived
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MRH says:
June 19, 2014 at 12:49 am
@Teresa: The HRCC is a cauldron of lies, and the Vatican is steeped in the occult. What more
can I say? Anyway, you can warn others, but you cant change their religions, only God can do
that by miracle aspect.
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Gary C. Hardin says:
June 9, 2014 at 5:09 pm
Don't be confused here. The Church is not escaping from anything. The Rapture is necessary simply
because the 7 years indicated in Revelation is for the exclusive redemption of Israel. The time of the
Gentiles ceases at the beginning of the Tribulational period.
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MRH says:
June 19, 2014 at 12:56 am
The time of the Gentiles ceases at the beginning of the Tribulational period
@Gary: Not true, it ceases at the end of tribulation period
Rev 11:1-2 KJV And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying,
Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. But the
court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the
Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
P.S. The tribulation is not 7 years as is commonly believed by many.
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Vern Bennett says:
June 9, 2014 at 5:28 pm
To al u fooled blinded Christians who think ur skipping the trib cuz of the rapture. Bad news forget it
ur here till the end. God doesn't change
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MRH says:
June 19, 2014 at 1:00 am
The end is when things get real bad, not so much during the short tribulation. Also the church
departs before the end prevails, and so we miss the darkest hour on the planet
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Brenda Murphy says:
June 19, 2014 at 2:17 pm
Not so, Mark. we wont be taken until the last Gentile be come in, by martyrdom, I would
presume, then and only then, can he resurrect His martyrs-the ones that die in Christ.
Then He can come and resurrect all the martyrs that have ever been, and take them
home, thats why he is meeting them in the air, to take them homeuntil the wrath of God
is poured out on the unbelieversthen Christ will come back with the saints(martyrs),
to exact vengeance on those that know not God, and will destroy the beast(antichrist),
and the false prophet-in the lake of ire.
Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him
was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a lame of ire, and on his head were many crowns; and he
had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The
Word of God.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses,
clothed in ine linen, white and clean.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the
nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the
ierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS,
AND LORD OF LORDS.
Rev 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying
to all the fowls that ly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto
the supper of the great God;
Rev 19:18 That ye may eat the lesh of kings, and the lesh of captains, and the lesh of
mighty men, and the lesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the lesh of all
men, both free and bond, both small and great.
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Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered
together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought
miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the
beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of ire
burning with brimstone.
Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse,
which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were illed with their lesh.
Then the martyrs will reign with Christ a thousand years, on the earth..
Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless
pit and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan,
and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him,
that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulilled:
and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them:
and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the
word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had
received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned
with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were inished.
This is the irst resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the irst resurrection: on such the
second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall
reign with him a thousand years.
After that, satan will be loosed again..
Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his
prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the
earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the
sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the
saints about, and the beloved city: and ire came down from God out of heaven, and
devoured them.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of ire and brimstone,
where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever
and ever.
Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the
earth and the heaven led away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were
opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were
judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered
up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their
works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of ire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake
of ire.
After satan is destroyed, then the Great White Throne judgment, in which the rest of the
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STL says:
June 19, 2014 at 2:36 pm
Brenda: You need to choodse better words, Satan will not be destroyed, yes he will
be sentence to the pit as all unbelievers, but destroyed never!
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MRH says:
June 19, 2014 at 3:53 pm
Satan will not be destroyed
@STL: Uhmm.. YOU ARE DEAD WRONG AGAIN
Rev 20:10 KJV And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake
of ire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and
shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
P.S. Unless you think the lake of ire is just a pit?
MRH says:
June 19, 2014 at 3:45 pm
Not so, Mark. we wont be taken until the last Gentile be come in, by martyrdom, I
would presume, then and only then, can he resurrect His martyrs-the ones that die
in Christ
@Brenda: You obviously dont know the bible as well as you think you do
Hint: The martyrs come after tribulation during the wrath
Rev 14:9-10, 13 KJV And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice,
If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his
forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of
God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he
shall be tormented with ire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and
in the presence of the Lamb: And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me,
Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith
the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
Rev 15:1-2 KJV And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven
angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is illed up the wrath of God. And I
saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with ire: and them that had gotten the
victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the
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number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
P.S. One cant be in the future martyr group unless they fail the rapture, and submit
to the beast
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Brenda Murphy says:
June 20, 2014 at 1:13 am
So, you are pre, mid, and post trib, all rolled into one? Gotcha!
MRH says:
June 20, 2014 at 1:42 am
Nay, Im none of them, Im as the bible relates
P.S. The tribulation storm is now here, it is the Islamic invasion of the entire
world
Question: Are you ready to bow down to Allah Brenda? Or will you boldly
deny Islam as your head is chopped off?
Do you think Im joking? Islam has already conquered many countries from
within, and without any battle. And America even has now become an
Islamic nation
Lu Lu Morrison says:
June 9, 2014 at 6:39 pm
amen!
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Mary Alice Leavesley says:
June 9, 2014 at 8:12 pm
It is notbiblical..I believe that we will be tested and maybe have to go thru hard times that we have
never experienced before. We are to be living and doing what God's has wanted us to do and not
always do what we want to. We are not sacriicing much for our salvation..If it is free..and I believe
this, than show our thankfulness in all things. some of us will have to be tried in ire to become pure
golddeserving of God's grace.
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MRH says:
June 19, 2014 at 1:08 am
I believe that we will be tested and maybe have to go thru hard times that we have never
experienced before
@Mary: Life itself is an endless time of trials and tribulations for all mankind, not just for
Christians
P.S. All Christians (true believers) are sealed unto redemption, no matter our doctrinal
differences
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Ann Broadhead says:
June 9, 2014 at 8:14 pm
The devil is in the details!
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Daniel Phillips says:
June 9, 2014 at 8:23 pm
What sadly most Catholics fail to really comprehend Jesus went to the cross in our place .He did this
to offer us the free gift of forgiveness and assurance of heaven .Not like catholic and many other
groups who think they can merit their own salvation by doing works .The place a burden on people
that they can never over come . . Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:9 Not of
works, lest any man should boast. 1 John 1 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and
the truth is not in us.9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to
cleanse us from all unrighteousness.10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his
word is not in us. You can have absolute assurance of heaven if you simply do that scripture says .Ask
Jesus and he will forgive ALL and Cleanse you .. and some will quote James but they twist scripture
out of context .James is speaking to those already saved forgiven and heaven bound .He telling
Christians how to know you are a true Christians .James is doing the example of 2 Corinthians 13
Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that
Christ Jesus is in youunless, of course, you fail the test? The Catholicism in their own words says
your damned if you think your sin are forgiven without having to do works and purgatory .Canon 30:
"If any one saith, that, after the grace of Justiication has been received, to every penitent sinner the
guilt is remitted, and the debt of eternal punishment is blotted out in such wise, that there remains
not any debt of temporal punishment to be discharged either in this world, or in the next in
Purgatory, before the entrance to the kingdom of heaven can be opened (to him); let him be
anathema." means damned
What the bible says "Therefore being justiied by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord
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Jesus Christ," (Rom. 5:1).
"And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your lesh, hath he quickened together
with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was
against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross." (Col.
2:13-14)next works salvation . Canon 24: "If any one saith, that the justice received is not preserved
and also increased before God through good works; but that the said works are merely the fruits and
signs of Justiication obtained, but not a cause of the increase thereof; let him be anathema."
What the bible says "O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth,
before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, cruciied among you? 2This only would
I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3Are ye so
foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the lesh?" (Gal. 3:1-3).
"Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again
with the yoke of bondage. 2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall proit
you nothing. 3For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole
law." (Gal. 5:1-3). Next Canon 30: "If any one saith, that, after the grace of Justiication has been
received, to every penitent sinner the guilt is remitted, and the debt of eternal punishment is blotted
out in such wise, that there remains not any debt of temporal punishment to be discharged either in
this world, or in the next in Purgatory, before the entrance to the kingdom of heaven can be opened
(to him); let him be anathema."
"Therefore being justiied by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ," (Rom.
5:1).
"And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your lesh, hath he quickened together
with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was
against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross." (Col. 2:13-14).
1 john 1 9 If we confess our sins, Jesus is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us
from ALL unrighteousness. Folks no need for the blasphemy of Purgatory. Lastly the catholic
church as never recanted on the Council of Trent: Canons on Justiication.Last most Catholics do not
even know why there Old Testament part of the bible has more extra books.The old testament is
suppose to be book of the inspired Jewish.But Catholicism add these extra books in and around
1500.Question to ask yourself http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0094/0094_01.asp Could
this be OUR last generation we are seeing ?
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MRH says:
June 19, 2014 at 1:15 am
What sadly most Catholics fail to really comprehend Jesus went to the cross in our place .He
did this to offer us the free gift of forgiveness and assurance of heaven .Not like catholic and
many other groups who think they can merit their own salvation by doing works
@Daniel: Yes its sad, but Satan has his grip on the churches, just as he has his grip on the
world. Fact is, Satan keeps the church bound, while he lets the world go free. But things are
changing now in many strange ways, as our world freedom is gradually being taken away too.
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Daniel Phillips says:
June 9, 2014 at 8:23 pm
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Elaine Loftus Gray Question to ask yourself http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts
/0094/0094_01.asp Could this be OUR last generation we are seeing ?
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Daniel Phillips says:
June 9, 2014 at 8:23 pm
Question to ask yourself http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0094/0094_01.asp Could this be
OUR last generation we are seeing ?
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Daniel Phillips says:
June 9, 2014 at 8:23 pm
Question to ask yourself http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0094/0094_01.asp Could this be
OUR last generation we are seeing ?
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Daniel Phillips says:
June 9, 2014 at 8:23 pm
Question to ask yourself http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0094/0094_01.asp Could this be
OUR last generation we are seeing ?
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Daniel Phillips says:
June 9, 2014 at 8:24 pm
All hype to sell books .The bible proclaims a blood moon not four . Question to ask yourself
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0094/0094_01.asp Could this be OUR last generation we are
seeing ?
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MRH says:
June 19, 2014 at 12:30 am
@Daniel: Yes I do believe we are in the inal generation, and very close to the edge as well. As
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for the blood moons idea, its only called a blood in a couple places, else-wise its simply stated,
moon darkened. Same factor with sun and stars.. dimming aspect. Like would be the case with
a global nuclear holocaust.. just a funky thought though
P.S. Air pollution also causes sky dimming phenomena, and can be a nasty effect in certain
places, plus enough pollution can have global impact. The 3rd and 5th trumpet declare such
wonders
http://aeroventure.com/REVELATION/7-TRUMPETS.htm
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Daniel Phillips says:
June 9, 2014 at 8:24 pm
Question to ask yourself http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0094/0094_01.asp Could this be
OUR last generation we are seeing ?
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Daniel Phillips says:
June 9, 2014 at 8:25 pm
To many concerned about rapture but not out witnessing to the lost . Salvation is a more important
issue . Question to ask yourself http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0094/0094_01.asp Could
this be OUR last generation we are seeing ?
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Elsabe du Plooy says:
June 9, 2014 at 8:25 pm
Daniel Phillips Me myself think it might very well be
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Rick says:
June 9, 2014 at 4:27 pm
The false prophet will be of Jewish descent. There is no need to speculate concerning antichrist. The
rapture will occur before the tribulation can begin. The rapture is imminent.
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Anthony Noel Murphy says:
June 9, 2014 at 9:17 pm
Thank Yahweh I do not believe in religion.Also I do not care what popey does.He is a fraud.
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Mary Alice Leavesley says:
June 9, 2014 at 10:12 pm
Lie
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Mary Alice Leavesley says:
June 9, 2014 at 10:17 pm
Like the scouts motto.."Be Prepared"
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Santos Garcia says:
June 9, 2014 at 10:19 pm
One World Religion of Antichrist kingdom is on target to become a reality! These words are my
sentiments also QUOTE: Any Protestant ministry that links up with the pope and Catholicism is
betraying the sacriice of millions of faithful Christians that have died at the hands of this brutal,
dictatorial and oppressive religion that has never represented the Church of the Living God as
outlined in New Testament teaching Prayerfully consider two volumes with encyclopedic
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evidence: http://zionsgate.wordpress.com/2012/07/28/939/ and also:
http://zionsgate.wordpress.com/2013/05/03/exo-vaticana-book-review/
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Dan (required) says:
June 9, 2014 at 6:19 pm
I still believe brothers and sisters in Christ that nothing really matters until we irst have a temple.
Keep your eyes on the dome of the rock. Something will happen unexpected that will destroy this
site. Maybe an earth quake but maybe a bombing. In the 70s there was plans to blow the dome up
by a group of Israelis. But, the plot was stopped by members in the Israeli government because of
fear that it would disrupt the worlds acceptance of a state of Israel that was already being contested
by the Palestinians.
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MRH says:
June 17, 2014 at 11:15 pm
I still believe brothers and sisters in Christ that nothing really matters until we irst have a
temple. Keep your eyes on the dome of the rock. Something will happen unexpected that will
destroy this site
@Dan: The Dome actually covers the place where Abraham offered up Issac, and where the
second temple stood.. according to varied sources. In fact the Dome itself is nothing more than
a huge empty cavern, with a giant mound of open dirt and rock exposed at its center. As for its
future destruction, I imagine it will be by missile.
http://youtu.be/vs27BkLkYq0
P.S. Daniels inal week cant begin as long as the Dome prevails
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Mary Alice Leavesley says:
June 9, 2014 at 10:22 pm
Faith without works is dead.Yes we are saved through faithbut no one will know if you don't
express it by worksIt won't be like works if you love the Lord,it is in honoring Him. .But by our own
works only..we can't obtain our salvation..Jesus did it All for All of Us.
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June 9, 2014 at 10:27 pm
It isn't religionIt is Jesus to believe in..and him onlyIf places of worship do not preach Jesus virgin
birth, death on the cross and ressurectionjesus the way, truth and light(.life).turn away and don't
look back
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Daniel Phillips says:
June 9, 2014 at 10:35 pm
Mary Alice Leavesley Yes but catholic doctrines say good works merit one salvation .
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Killian Elf says:
June 9, 2014 at 10:44 pm
Mary Alice Leavesley
The current times aren't hard enough for you? And as far as anyone being deserving of God's
graceno one is or ever will be. That is why it is a gift.
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Mary Alice Leavesley says:
June 9, 2014 at 11:16 pm
Wow..There are as many comments as are religions and denominations. We all better check out the
truth for ourselves..For we are accountable for what we know. We have been given precious time to
search the scriptures daily and prove what we see and hear is biblically sound. I have heard people
say that they do not want to open the bible..because, if they do..they will be expected to do or not do
what it says. That is a scarey position to be in.
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Angel Young says:
June 9, 2014 at 11:26 pm
yes Daniel Phillips catholic doctrines are wrong.
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Mickee Hicks says:
June 10, 2014 at 12:13 am
this is very sad, we can not unite such differences
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Theresa Lopez says:
June 10, 2014 at 12:15 am
The bible says one church, on truth there can't be many truths..All roads will lead to rome..Its
biblical. Its prophecy..Thank God..and I am waiting for the great day we will all be one.
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MRH says:
June 18, 2014 at 11:49 pm
Uhmm.. all roads lead to Rome is not biblical prophecy
P.S. There is only one true church, the body of Christ
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Brenda Murphy says:
June 19, 2014 at 2:56 pm
You are waiting for the antichrist, thenfor he will unite all the false religions, into the
worshipping of.Himself!
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Theresa Lopez says:
June 10, 2014 at 12:26 am
your saying me as a catholic is not Christian. how did you come that conclusion.
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Theresa Lopez says:
June 10, 2014 at 12:27 am
no so Daniel philllips. ask a catholic instead of listening to anti-Catholic propaganda, anti catholics
and misquided preachers.
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Theresa Lopez says:
June 10, 2014 at 12:30 am
how do u know my doctrines are wrong. who told you this?
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Anonymous says:
June 10, 2014 at 1:00 am
Theresa Lopez christians do not use a priest, there is no sacriice. Jesus said it is inished
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Paul Redman says:
June 10, 2014 at 1:23 am
Elaine Loftus Gray I agree with your central tenet- basically I believe that Man IS lawed, but Christ is
not. Man- the earthly representation of Christ in the Church- on his own is wicked, sinful, lustful, etc.
and on, and on. It is only through Christ that Man can ind salvation and redemption before God.
Right with you on that. Looking at things in a historical perspective, it is easy to see why the Church
would want control of society. Mass in Latin, for example. To people that up until the 18th Century,
largely could not read for themselves. The populace DEPENDED upon the Church for the Word.
Depended upon clergy for translation and interpretation. I get that the Church was given to Peter
(the Rock) and that the Gates of Hell shall not prevail against her. But if we go back to that true
premise that Man is fundamentally lawed, is Man in control of the Word really good for the beneit
of society at large? Denominations to me are perfect example of Man's laws. King Henry couldn't get
the divorce he wanted, so he switched religions so that he could scratch his proverbial itch and get
what he wanted. Nothing divine about that, surely. However, I would also argue that as controlling as
the Church may attempt to be, we also surely can see what a lack of public practice of religion can
have on society. Now, I don't doubt nor challenge Biblical prophecy. But to call the Church as all evil I
think would be false, too. Christmas and Easter are not about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, as
you would suggest. These are secular ideals meant to detract and distract from the true "reason for
the season", as it were. One would be wise to not confuse the two.
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Mary Alice Leavesley says:
June 10, 2014 at 1:40 am
Can our world be any more evil? destructive?liars?It is almost like the very commandments of God
have been done away with. I don't know how much more God can take from his beloved family. He
loves us so much..and what do we do in return???God gave us his commandments for us to love God
& to show this love to others and ourselves..we will never see peace worldwide..thats why I am
waiting for Jesus return. The best is yet to comeAmen
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Mary Alice Leavesley says:
June 10, 2014 at 2:00 am
Daniel Phillips Catholisism says alot of things that aren't exactly gospel.. Being raised catholic and
having a baptist mothermy father spoke of the rath of God, if I didn't do good..and my mother told
me how much Jesus loved me.I have journeyed to ind the balance and the real truth.
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Jim Ehling says:
June 10, 2014 at 2:03 am
My treasure is in heaven, not here on earth.
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Brenda Murphy says:
June 19, 2014 at 2:58 pm
Amen!!!
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Mary Alice Leavesley says:
June 10, 2014 at 2:15 am
Jim Ehling this is the irst time in a very long time I have commented. This topic is very interesting to
say the least. . I believe God provides for my needssometimes for my wants..but I try not to get too
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worldly in what I want..I'd be weiry of this Illuminati. There is alot of boasting on prosperity thru
some church s..but that doesn't it with my perception of God's teaching. We should be good
stewards of what we have. There are examples of the talents given 3 men. We can multiply what we
have legally..but it shouldn't be an obsession.and then theres the rich man who was told to sell all he
had and follow him.
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MRH says:
June 18, 2014 at 11:46 pm
Id be weiry of this Illuminati
@Mary: The Illuminati control the world
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Jim Ehling says:
June 10, 2014 at 2:18 am
Mary Alice Leavesley Seek ye irst the kingdom of God and all these things shall be added unto you
Mat. 6:33
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Mary Alice Leavesley says:
June 10, 2014 at 2:29 am
God's chosen people (His Bride)are not necessarily in a building (church)He knows what is in the
heart of every single person alive,as he knows that of the deceased.we should not be so critical with
catholicsThey only know what they have been taught. but I do ask them to do some studying on
their own from the bible. We will be accountable for what we know and to be true to it. We should all
be missionarys (deciples) I have preached a better sermon by my actions than be my words. nobody
wants to be preached toonly when asked. God irst, others, than yourself.
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MRH says:
June 18, 2014 at 11:44 pm
@Mary: The Catholic church and other such false religious institutions, instruct their victims
in their church doctrines, not necessarily as the bible declares
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Inspired By-Glo says:
June 10, 2014 at 2:34 am
What will happen if people don't want his way? I don't want to be a Catholic so where would that put
me?
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MRH says:
June 18, 2014 at 11:31 pm
At the chopping block Im afraid
Rev 20:4 KJV And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them:
and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the
word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had
received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with
Christ a thousand years.
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Mary Alice Leavesley says:
June 10, 2014 at 2:41 am
Lucy Balboa The more I read comments, the more I agree,,we all need to do some homework, Satan
is running around like a wolf in sheeps clothing..looking for whom he can devour in his falsehood.
He knows he has but a short time and we are getting desensatized to the what was known to be
wrong into being right. We need to look
around us as if Jesus was right there next to us. What is he seeing and hearing?
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MRH says:
June 18, 2014 at 11:39 pm
@Mary: Satans hour of global darkness comes at the end, not now
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June 10, 2014 at 2:44 am
Elaine Loftus Gray. Jim Staley is what god would call a false prophet. As Jesus said in end times the
world will be full of false prophets, that will lead people astray.
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Sandra Hanford says:
June 10, 2014 at 2:59 am
Actually the Church is not raptured before the tribulation. That is a heresy that is taught only here in
America and was never taught by the Apostles or the leaders of the early church. There will be many
falling away because of that false teaching.
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MRH says:
June 18, 2014 at 11:05 pm
Actually the church will absolutely be needed during tribulation, to instruct and warn the Jews
in things
P.S. If the believers are gone before, then whom could warn the Jews? For certain not the
heathen, as they wouldnt have a clue. Plus they would be too busy partying to even care. So
the bewildered Jews would be on their own, and all get killed before repenting. Nice thought?
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Dadmans Abode-com says:
June 10, 2014 at 3:04 am
If the Final False Prophet spoken of in Revelation 13 is indeed Pope Francis .. then >> I'm expecting
<< all of the secular humanistic left / atheistic / false-religious-system / anti-christ / homosexual /
and all the Biblical Harlot folk spoken about in Revelation 17 to glob-on to / applaud / accept and
follow this guy .. He will literally rally them all together >> UNITY << will indeed be the theme
My real point of observation will be IF & WHEN Pope Francis gets on the same page with and starts
pointing to and singing the praises of a particular (RISING STAR) powerful political igure .. time
will tell http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=801#p801
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Dadmans Abode-com says:
June 10, 2014 at 3:06 am
Roy M Cooper maybe Jesus and the Bride can elope ?? http://www.dadmansabode.com
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Sandra Hanford says:
June 10, 2014 at 3:08 am
Now The End Begins That is not true. The Pre-tribulation rapture is not a bible doctrine. It was
never taught by Christ or the apostles or the early Church leaders.The fact that John Nelson Darby
invented the pre-tribulation rapture doctrine around 1830 AD is unquestionably true. All attempts
to ind evidence of this wild doctrine before 1830 have failed. Prior to 1830, no church taught it in
their creed, catechism or statement of faith.
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MRH says:
June 18, 2014 at 10:54 pm
Sandra, you do know that you cant teach an old dog new tricks?
P.S. Folks should read 1 Cor 15, as it explains everything concerning the rapture topic, its;
origin, nature, timing, etc
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Dadmans Abode-com says:
June 10, 2014 at 3:09 am
Theresa Lopez . more on Catholicism http://dadmansabode.com/forum
/viewtopic.php?p=768#p768 Salvation is in Jesus not an organization
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Sandra Hanford says:
June 10, 2014 at 3:13 am
While I may not agree with the Catholic church in some things, there are true Christians in the
Catholic church just as there are true Christians in the Protestant churches. Just as there are heretics
in both. One does not have the right to judge another man's heart.
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June 10, 2014 at 3:29 am
All Christians should WAKE UP and prepare for the RAPTURE. Christ tells us to WATCH AND PRAY.
Don't be like the 5 foolish virgins. The RAPTURE can OCCUR any moment now. Don't be a left behind.
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MRH says:
June 18, 2014 at 10:32 pm
What is there to prepare for? All true believers will be raptured when the time arrives
P.S. Those left behind are unbelievers, but they still can be saved
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Amy Lewis says:
June 10, 2014 at 3:32 am
One world religion is what's being worked on now!
I don't plan to be a part of it.
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MRH says:
June 18, 2014 at 10:28 pm
Actually the NWO is the plan, not just religion aspect
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June 10, 2014 at 4:03 am
frankocel priest are mentioned all over scripture. we do not sacriice. you need to take a class on
catholic by Catholics. not protestants. The very irst Christians were Catholics. Ask me anything you
don't understand and I will explain. for one thing you all are hung up on works. Like we have to do
good works to get to heaven and that is all you zero in on. If you only know the beauty of Catholicism
you would die of joy. Its wonderful and very holy life of prayer, love and understanding. We do not
criticize other faith, we accept, we connect by the love of the same God we worship. Your God and
my God are one in the same.
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Theresa Lopez says:
June 10, 2014 at 4:08 am
yes so many people are becoming catholics or coming back..just in our diocese of 1 million in
Houston, 2000 came into the church in April on Easter Sunday How wonderful. One faith, one truth,
one bread, one body and one who loves us allmuslim or jew, etc. we don't talk about end times, or
rapture. we talk about now, how we must all come together to love one another regardless of creed.
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Theresa Lopez says:
June 10, 2014 at 4:15 am
Christ religion is Catholic. Catholic means universal. We are the universal church founded on the
faith of Peter the apostle. And its still surviving after 2000 years no matter what schism or scandals
that people make in it. And it will be standing till the end of time..your time when u die. Nobody
knows the end. only God does.
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Theresa Lopez says:
June 10, 2014 at 4:25 am
You must remember the bible is a catholic book given to all faiths by the church of jesus chirst. if it
were not for the catholic church you would not have a bible. it was put together by councils of
bishops who approved the books or canons that are in it. so why not go to the author of the book for
the correct meanings of scripture. for the irst 300 years after Christ died there was no bible. just
hearsay stories. there were many who were splintering off by heresies so the early church decided to
get the bible together for usage as a guide for truth of history of the faith. The catholic church uses
the bible more than any other faith. we use many gospels of old and new testament in our daily mass
all over the world. If u want to know the correct way of how we believe and worship ask us. don't ask
those who are afraid of us or think we are the antichrist or whore of Babylon. That gets so old. most
protestant believe nothing true of Catholicism.
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Theresa Lopez says:
June 10, 2014 at 4:39 am
The Catholic church is not oppressive. Its open an inviting. No one is forced to be catholic. We are
free to accept the will of God who opens our hearts to allow us to feel and love and worship. I am a
faithful Christian that happens to be Catholic. I follow the commandments, I go to church every
Sunday. I am active in prayer life and church life. I love persons. I do not judge other faiths and say
they are not Christian. Or I do not judge them and say they are going to hell for believing a certain
way. The most sacred part of our faith is the holy Eucharist that we absorb in our bodies and our
souls. By partaking of the Eucharist we are doing what Jesus asked us to do at the last supper. we
must do what he asked us in memory. We are the only faith that does this. He says, Take my body,eat
it, take my blood, drink it. We believe if we do what he says and believe he is really present in a
transubstantiated host, we have life eternal. Read John Chapter 6. the bread of life discourses. If you
do not believe he is really the bread transformed. , you will not have enteral life.
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Teresa says:
June 10, 2014 at 1:06 am
THANK you everybody that responded to my RCC questions.
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Anthony Noel Murphy says:
June 10, 2014 at 6:14 am
Spot on Mary.I just believe in Yahweh & his son Yeshua.Normally on the Sabbath(Sat not pagan
sunday) I watch online and read bible etc.No fellowship in my part of the world.
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Julie Chalfant Capes says:
June 10, 2014 at 6:30 am
I agree Geoffrey, the rapture will indeed happen before the tribulation, thats not to say the church
will not go through anymore tribulation, persecutions.as we have for centuries already Those
who disregard the rapture will be in for a rude awakening..
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MRH says:
June 18, 2014 at 11:18 pm
@Julie: Tribulation and persecution will prevail until millennium
P.S. The church is delivered before the end, thats all we know
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Julie Chalfant Capes says:
June 10, 2014 at 6:38 am
Elaine Loftus Gray I have to say I disagree respectfully with what you're saying here. God is wooing
the church at present because we are in the dispensation of grace, not of the lawand of salvation
which is predominantly for the Gentiles, although it was meant for the Jew irst. The Jew rejected
Jesus and his salvation, so it was passed on to the Gentile. The church will leave in the rapture, then
God will turn to the Jews. God deals with one people at a time Matthew 224 def speaks to the Jew.
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Julie Chalfant Capes says:
June 10, 2014 at 6:43 am
Henco, the true church HAS been persecuted for many centuries. It was in hiding for many years,
underground Of course it has emerged and is awaiting for the bridegroom
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Julie Chalfant Capes says:
June 10, 2014 at 6:45 am
Vern, The tribulation is meant for the Jewish nation. NOT the church. Read up on Jacobs trouble,
which will be the time of tribulation for the Jews.
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MRH says:
June 18, 2014 at 11:27 pm
@Julie: Correct, as it clearly states in the Gospels
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Luk 21:20-24 KJV And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that
the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them which are in Judaea lee to the mountains; and let
them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter
thereinto. For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulilled.
But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there
shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. And they shall fall by the
edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be
trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulilled.
P.S. The last time I checked, Jerusalem is located in Israel, NOT; America, Canada, Mexico, etc?
And as I recall there are three main religions there; Judaism, Christianity, and Islam?
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Johnny Ward says:
June 10, 2014 at 7:04 am
[Saw the following on the web. It says a lot!!!]
PRETRIB RAPTURE STEALTH !
Many evangelicals believe that Christ will "rapture" them to heaven years before the second coming
and (most importantly) well BEFORE Antichrist and his "tribulation." But Acts 2:34, 35 reveal that
Jesus is at the Father's right hand in heaven until He leaves to destroy His earthly foes at the second
coming. And Acts 3:21 says that Jesus must stay in heaven with the Father "until the times of
restitution of all things which includes, says Scoield, the restoration of the theocracy under
Davids Son which obviously cant begin before or during Antichrists reign. See also Heb. 10:12, 13.
("The Rapture Question," by longtime No. 1 pretrib expert John Walvoord, didn't dare to even list, in
its scripture index, the above Acts verses! They were also too hot for John Darby the so-called
"father of dispensationalism" to list in the scripture index in his "Letters"!)
Paul explains the times and the seasons (I Thess. 5:1) of the catching up (I Thess. 4:17) as the day
of the Lord (5:2) which FOLLOWS the posttrib sun/moon darkening (Matt. 24:29; Acts 2:20) WHEN
sudden destruction (5:3) of the wicked occurs! The "rest" for "all them that believe" is also tied to
such destruction in II Thess. 1:6-10! (If the wicked are destroyed before or during the trib, who'd be
left alive to serve the Antichrist?) Paul also ties the change-into-immortality rapture (I Cor. 15:52)
to the end of trib death (15:54). (Will death be ended before or during the trib? Of course not! And
vs. 54 is also tied to Isa. 25:8 which Scoield views as Israel's posttrib resurrection!) It's amazing
that the Olivet Discourse contains the "great commission" for the church but not even a hint of a
pretrib rapture for the church!
Many don't know that before 1830 all Christians had always viewed I Thess. 4s catching up as an
integral part of the inal second coming to earth. In 1830 this "rapture" was stretched forward and
turned into an idolized separate coming of Christ. To further strengthen their novel view, which
evangelical scholars overwhelmingly rejected throughout the 1800s, pretrib teachers in the early
1900s began to stretch forward the day of the Lord (what Darby and Scoield never dared to do)
and hook it up with their already-stretched-forward rapture. Many leading evangelical scholars
still werent convinced of pretrib, so pretrib teachers then began teaching that the falling away of II
Thess. 2:3 is really a pretrib rapture (the same as saying that the rapture in 2:3 must happen
before the rapture ["gathering"] in 2:1 can happen the height of desperation!). Google "Walvoord
Melts Ice" for more on this, and also Google "Pretrib Rapture Pride."
Other Google articles on the 184-year-old pretrib rapture view include X-Raying Margaret,
"Margaret Macdonald's Rapture Chart," "Pretrib Rapture's Missing Lines," "Edward Irving is
Unnerving," "The Unoriginal John Darby," "Catholics Did NOT Invent the Rapture," "The Real Manuel
Lacunza," Thomas Ice (Bloopers), Wily Jeffrey, The Rapture Index (Mad Theology), Americas
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Pretrib Rapture Trafickers, Roots of (Warlike) Christian Zionism, Scholars Weigh My Research,
Pretrib Hypocrisy, "Appendix F: Thou Shalt Not Steal," "Pretrib Rapture Secrecy," Deceiving and
Being Deceived, "Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty," "Famous Rapture Watchers," and "Morgan Edwards'
Rapture View" most by the author of the bestselling book The Rapture Plot (the most accurate
and documented book on pretrib rapture history which is obtainable by calling 800.643.4645).
PS For some inal shocks Yahoo or Google "The Background Obama Can't Cover Up" and "Franklin
Graham's Warning."
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Terri Horn says:
June 10, 2014 at 10:39 am
To Elaine Gray. 25% of the Bible is all about the 2nd coming of Christ. If you do not believe in his
second coming how can you believe anything in the Bible? If anyone thing is proven false then
people would not have faith. Jesus was also Jewish and God has not forsaken the Jews despite what
others think. Get Dr. John McTernan's book "As America has done to Israel" and prepare to be
amazed. I irst heard about the 2nd coming in spring of 1976(I was in 8th grade) the things they said
would happend seemed like it would never happen in my lifetime. Guess what I see prophecy being
fuilled before my very eyes. You will know prophecy is true if you are left behind and you see the
actuall one world government and the one world religion. Funny years ago people made fun of me
for believing that and now we can see what was prophesied in the Bible and NOW is when you doubt
the 2nd coming of Christ???You need to study the Bible yourself and not allow the Hebrew Roots to
tell you what to believe in. Read in Mathew (sermon of the mt) all prophetic. One will be taken and
one left????Yes when Jesus comes again the Jewish people left will accept him as thier lord and
savior and realize what they did so many years ago when they allowed him to die. Show me
ANYWHERE in the Bible that God has disowned his people? It is impossible for him to change his
mind or to lie. He is a just and loving God but he has a covenant with the Jewish people and even
though they allowed his son to die on the cross they are still and always will be his people.
Christianity did not start out as a Gentile religion, it was a JEWISH religion. I like to think of
Christianity as not a religion but should be a way of life. Religions pick and choose what they what
their church to stand for. So Christianity is not a religion, but protestant, lutheran, etc those are
Christian religions. Make sense. But seriously study things yourself and do not let anyone inluence
you. Come to your own decision and not what others have said. If you study prophecy with an open
mind and realize Jesus fulilled 109 prophecies of the irst coming you should not doubt the 2nd
coming will be fulilled like the irst. There is more in the Bible about the second coming then about
the irst coming so which do you think our Lord and Savior thinks is more important?
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DEBORAH says:
June 10, 2014 at 9:08 am
ROMANS 10 AND 9 SAYS IF U CONFESS WITH UR MOUTH THE LORD JESUS AND BELIEVE IN YOUR
HEART THAT GOD RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD YOU WILL BE SAVED!!!
THE BOTTOM LINE AND ITS JUST THAT SIMPLE FOLKS!!!
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Rob [Southafrica] says:
June 10, 2014 at 10:31 am
Yeah the Hebrews also were saved by the blood of the Lamb on their doorposts in Egypt. ..>
Then the Father destroyed them all with exception of two [Calib and Joshua] in the wilderness.
Why? Because they also relied only on the blood of the Lamb and did not want to follow the
instructions[Laws]
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MRH says:
June 17, 2014 at 11:23 pm
Uhmm.. the Jews were under law covenant, whereas the church is under grace covenant.
The two covenants are not the same, and in fact vastly different. Please read the NT
church epistles, as that is our message today. The OT and Gospels are of the law not
grace!
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Darah says:
June 11, 2014 at 4:45 pm
Amen! Jesus was our Passover Lamb, it is simple it is mans traditions that complicate the
Gospel. You said it well Deborah!
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MRH says:
June 17, 2014 at 11:32 pm
Yes true Deborah, but it seems that believers dont want simplicity and freedom. They rather
desire to remain under law bondage, as evidenced in the mainstream church
P.S. Islam is much worse even, as Muslims arent servants, but rather slaves unto Allah.. or
Satan
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June 10, 2014 at 10:11 am
We cannot tell God anything that He doesnt know.but if we listen with spiritual ears, to hear, then
God can tell us a lot of thingsthings that we NEED to know.
He is the healer of my soul. Amen.
Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Gal 6:8 For he that soweth to his lesh shall of the lesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the
Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Gal 6:9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all
things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of ire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath
ears to hear, let him hear.
WE can break Gods heart by offending Him.
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Reid Fox says:
June 10, 2014 at 2:22 pm
The 7 year treaty and the pre-trib rapture are both Jesuit heresy.
Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not
give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth
mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his
elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
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MRH says:
June 18, 2014 at 9:31 pm
The 7 year treaty and the pre-trib rapture are both Jesuit heresy
Im not certain of that, but for certain the bible teaches neither fallacy. But nor does the bible
teach that the church will endure the tribulation. And for certain the church will not be
present during the wrath, which includes the mark of the beast
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Alex Bundy says:
June 10, 2014 at 2:31 pm
wrong
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Brian McArthur says:
June 10, 2014 at 2:37 pm
I hope you are right Geoffrey but there seems to be a lot of opinion out there that the church will go
through it.I'm a bit confused on the matter.
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Brenda Murphy says:
June 18, 2014 at 11:57 am
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the
moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the
heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the
tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven
with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather
together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
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MRH says:
June 18, 2014 at 9:18 pm
Brian: The church is raptured before the end, not before tribulation. Check my other posts
here, as they explain in detail
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Angel Young says:
June 10, 2014 at 3:07 pm
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Theresa Lopez NO, IF YOU ONLY KNEW THE BEAUTY OF THE CROSS YOU WOULD DIE OF JOY NOT
THE BEAUTY OF CATHOLICISM as you said No your God is not the same as mine now, I'm an x
catholic,. I used to confess my sins to priests not because I want to but because everybody else is
doing it. until the day I gave my heart to Jesus I met my heavenly Father I thank God for the cross and
the precious blood of Jesus that cleanes all my sins past, present and future. He changed me and
transformed my heart to do His will not my will. Gods loves everyone but not everyone loves God.
That's my God. May God bless sis!
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Theresa Lopez says:
June 10, 2014 at 3:50 pm
so what your saying angie is that your a better Christian than me..well the bible says.
"Do not judge and you yourself will not be judged" And this is from the lips of Jesus Christ. So your
not living up to the words of scripture. I am sorry that you did not understand confession. Mostly
likely you were not an educated Catholic. I too am transformed in the beauty of the church founded
by Christ Jesus. I want to know who your God is.. My god is the father, son and holy spirit in the Lord
of the irst patriarchs of the Old Testament to the New. My God is the God of Abraham, Moses, and
David. May God give u the grace to melt away arrogance, intolerance and pride. And that your heart
may soften to the Catholics. We are not an evil institution or promote evil. Bless you and you loved
ones.
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MRH says:
June 18, 2014 at 9:07 pm
We are not an evil institution or promote evil
@Theresa: Im afraid you are being deceived as are many others. All of the major religious
institutions are dark temples in varied ways. Designed to draw in the lost wandering crowd,
and then cast the yoke of bondage upon them. Those trapped inside these dark temples are
instructed by their temple doctrines. As Jesus warned, lee from the false churches
Luk 21:8 KJV And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my
name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.
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Ron Andrews says:
June 10, 2014 at 5:18 pm
Elaine Loftus Gray I would love to know what bible your reading.
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Ron Andrews says:
June 10, 2014 at 5:23 pm
Thats right! Do not focus on negative thoughts, Jesus told us not to.
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Ron Andrews says:
June 10, 2014 at 5:27 pm
We are prepared Amy not sure about some on here.
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Carolyn Young says:
June 10, 2014 at 5:49 pm
This has always been the catholic church's goal and just how are they going to put all religions into
one and let everyone worship the way they want.. It is a power grab and once they have the power it
will be the middle ages again. Religions can get along with each other better but I be damned if I will
answer to a leader of one of the religions for everything I do or say in my worship. Like I said before
the coffer are getting empty for the catholic church, they are losing clout and becoming a has been
religion and that hurts their lifestyle.
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MRH says:
June 18, 2014 at 8:49 pm
Im afraid its much more worse than what you think. Their end goal is globalization period;
government, economy, religion. Which will involve mass depopulation and enslavement.
Rebels will be cut off and killed
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Christian Apologist Yannik says:
June 10, 2014 at 7:31 pm
From East, West, North and South it's All About Muslim Violence, Islamic Terrorism and Islamic
Fighting Jihad. As A Matter Of Fact, Muslim's Persecution Is Being Felt Around The Word:
Muslims FIGHT against Christians
Muslims FIGHT against Hindus
Muslims FIGHT against Buddhist
Muslims FIGHT against Jews
Muslims FIGHT against Sikh
Muslims FIGHT against Atheist
Muslims FIGHT against Druze
Muslims FIGHT against free thinkers
Muslims FIGHT against Kurds
Sunni Muslims FIGHT against Shia Muslims
Muslims FIGHT against Americans
Muslims FIGHT against Western Values
Muslims FIGHT against Democracy and Freedom (expression, religion, speech, etc)
Muslims FIGHT against Muslims Leaving Islam (Apostate/Kair/Inidel)
Islamic Terrorist Muslims FIGHT against secular Muslims
Not All Muslims Are Terrorists But 99% Of All Terrorist Attacks Are Muslims and/or Muslim Groups
Like:
Al-Qaeda: based Worldwide.
The Taliban: based in Pakistan.
Hezbollah: based in Lebanon
Al-Shabaab: meaning (The Youth or The Youngsters) based in Somalia, Uganda and Kenya.
Boko Haram: meaning (Western Education Is A Sin) based in Nigeria.
Palestinian Islamic Jihad's (PIJ):
The Muslim Brotherhood: based in Egypt.
Lashkar-e Tayyiba (LET): meaning (Army of the Righteous) based in South Asia but mainly in
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Pakistan.
Jaish-e-Mohammed (JEM): meaning (Army of Mohammed) based in Kashmir.(Pakistan)
Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades: based in Palestine.
Jemaah Islamiah (JI): based in Southeast Asia, Indonesia.
The Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG): based in Libya.
Tanzim Qa'idat al-Jihad i Bilad al-Raidayn (QJBR):
The Bangsamoro Islamic Freedom Fighters (BIFF): based in Mindanao, the Philippines.
Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine: based in Palestine.
Armed Islamic Group (GIA): based in Algeria.
The Indian Mujahideen: based in India.
Jama'at al-Tawid wal-Jihad: based in Iraq.
Youth Islamic [Mujahideen] Movement: based in Somalia.
Janjaweed Militia Group: based in Sudan.
"ISLAMIC JIHADIST TERRORIST HAS CARRIED OUT MORE 23,134 TERROR ATTACKS IN THE NAME
OF ALLAH SINCE 2001".
MUSLIMS ARE NOT HAPPY THESE COUNTRIES:
They're not happy in Gaza.
They're not happy in Egypt.
They're not happy in Libya.
They're not happy in Morocco.
They're not happy in Iran.
They're not happy in Iraq.
They're not happy in Yemen.
They're not happy in Bangladesh.
They're not happy in Afghanistan.
They're not happy in Pakistan.
They're not happy in Syria.
They're not happy in Lebanon.
They're not happy in Nigeria.
They're not happy in Chad.
They're not happy in Somalia.
SO, WHERE ARE THEY HAPPY?
They're happy in Canada.
They're happy in Australia.
They're happy in New Zealand.
They're happy in Spain.
They're happy in Ireland.
They're happy in United Kingdom
They're happy in Italy.
They're happy in Japan.
They're happy in Germany.
They're happy in England.
They're happy in France.
They're happy in Sweden
They're happy in Finland
They're happy in Norway.
They're happy in the USA.
They're happy in every country that is not Islamic! And who do they blame?
Not Islam.
Not their leadership.
Not themselves.
THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!
AND THEY WANT TO CHANGE THEM TO BE LIKE THE COUNTRY THEY CAME FROM, WHERE THEY
WERE SO UNHAPPY.
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Doesn't Quite Make Sense. Does It?
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MRH says:
June 18, 2014 at 8:39 pm
Simply put, Muslims are Satans helpless slaves, and his end goal is depopulation and
globalization
http://beforeitsnews.com/prophecy/2013/06/who-has-crowned-the-freedom-tower-
wtc-with-a-islamic-spire-2450092.html
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Billy Whittaker says:
June 10, 2014 at 8:11 pm
Can you say antichrist?..this pope is it, no doubt now, he is sucking in all who will be deceived,
beware this jesuit in a white robe..
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MRH says:
June 18, 2014 at 8:33 pm
Actually its the reverse situation. Obama is the AC, and Francis the FP
http://youtu.be/2F30LBg_t6A
P.S. The END is very near now, but the signs yet prevail
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Angel Young says:
June 10, 2014 at 9:00 pm
No Theresa Lopez I'm not better than anyone and I'm not juding you. God love both of us the same,
but I don't believe anymore what you believe. With all my heart I believe there is only one way to
salvation is through Jesus Christ nothing more nothing less.
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Karen DeSanto says:
June 10, 2014 at 9:06 pm
The Bible is very clear on a pre-trib rapture. We are not appointed unto wrath and Jesus said, He will
keep us from the hour of testing, not through it.
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Kevin Warren says:
June 10, 2014 at 10:45 pm
Now The End Begins For 1800 years post-trib Rapture was doctrine. Pre-trib Rapture is a relatively
new belief. That said, pre or post is a secondary issue. The Rapture will occur and for all Christians,
that's what really matters.
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MRH says:
June 18, 2014 at 8:03 pm
@Kevin: According to scripture, the end occurs after tribulation, and the rapture occurs right
before the end
Mat 24:13-14 KJV But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. And this
gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and
then shall the end come.
1Co 15:22-24 KJV For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every
man in his own order: Christ the irstfruits; afterward they that are Christs at his coming.
Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father;
when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
P.S. Why do all pre-trib folk continually ignore the obvious?
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Mary Alice Leavesley says:
June 10, 2014 at 10:51 pm
Elaine Loftus Gray I do not know jim Staley..so I cannot judge. But I do know that the church has
shifted from keeping God's Sabbath to keeping mans Sunday.basically after the sun god There had to
be a way to turn pagans to worship God and put a separation from the Jewish Sabbath. Alot of the
holidays are from Pagan origin. Jesus and his followers followed the Sabbath and in the 4th
commandment it says Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy. and many texts throughout scripture it
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says if you Love me..keep my commandments. Only by loving God and our neighbors as ourselves,
can we even obey GodWe need Jesus..we fail miserably..like Paul said..why is it that I do what I
know not to do?/ it is our sinful nature we have to ight with..It is not easy to be a true bible
believing christain today, because we should be different from the world and have God's light
shining in us. christianity is luke warm..It is descenceatized to alot of evil around us. It is only when
we take Jesus with us and try to see, thru his eyes, can we really see the truth.Amazing Grace
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LeeAnn Leonard says:
June 10, 2014 at 11:18 pm
Mary Alice Leavesley That passage in James is referring to works of faith not "works of the law"
there is a huge difference and that difference is heart motive. 1Samuel 16:7 But the LORD said unto
Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for
the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh
on the heart. When we receive Jesus,(you must be born again) our spirits are made perfect(Hebrews
12:23 To the general assembly and church of the irstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God
the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Hebrews 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that
speaketh better things than that of Abel). then our souls are transformed by the renewing of the
mind (Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of
your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.) In other
words it is from the inside out rather than the outside in as Jesus told the Pharisees (Matthew 23:25
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the
platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
Matthew23:26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse irst that which is within the cup and platter, that the
outside of them may be clean also.) So the works James speaks of are works of faith motivated by the
love of God that is shed abroad in hearts by the Holy Ghost, so see it is about our motivation, are we
motivated by God's love in us or are we motivated by trying to "EARN" salvation, only God knows the
hearts!
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MRH says:
June 18, 2014 at 7:05 pm
That passage in James is referring to works of faith not works of the law there is a huge
difference and that difference is heart motive.
So the works James speaks of are works of faith motivated by the love of God that is shed
abroad in hearts by the Holy Ghost, so see it is about our motivation, are we motivated by
Gods love in us or are we motivated by trying to EARN salvation, only God knows the
hearts!
@LeeAnn: Thank you for explaining things, as Ive long struggled with that chapter. Basically,
the context is sanctiication, not salvation? After all we are saved but once by grace, and
afterwards continually sanctiied by our works
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Karen DeSanto says:
June 11, 2014 at 12:04 am
Sandra Hanford We are not appointed unto wrath. Jesus said He will keep us from the hour of
testing, not through it.
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MRH says:
June 18, 2014 at 7:09 pm
@Karen: According to my research, tribulation is not the wrath
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Karen DeSanto says:
June 11, 2014 at 12:07 am
Brian McArthur You don't need to be confused. I am not confused because the Bible is very clear on
this issue. We are not appointed unto wrath. Jesus also said, He will keep us from the hour of testing,
not through it. No need to be confused. The church is gone in Revelation chapter 4 and not
mentioned again until we return with Him to rule and reign for 1000 years.
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MRH says:
June 18, 2014 at 9:51 pm
The church is gone in Revelation chapter 4 and not mentioned again until we return with Him
to rule and reign for 1000 years
@Karen: Not mentioned true, but not necessarily gone. Anyway, I believe Revelation is a much
misunderstood book
P.S. Check out my name link for my recent Revelation study
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Brenda Murphy says:
June 19, 2014 at 3:06 pm
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Only the martyrs reign with Christ.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I
saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God,
and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark
upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand
years.
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MRH says:
June 19, 2014 at 3:30 pm
Only the martyrs reign with Christ.
Brenda: Im afraid youre biblically wrong yet once again
1Co 6:2-3 KJV Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the
world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye
not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
P.S. All the saints in the rapture will occupy thrones during the millenium
Rev 20:4 KJV And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given
unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and
for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither
had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and
reigned with Christ a thousand years.
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Brenda Murphy says:
June 19, 2014 at 6:14 pm
The saints are the martyrs, give it up, Mark.
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MRH says:
June 19, 2014 at 6:39 pm
@Brenda: Yes the martyrs will be saints, else they wouldnt be martyrs
P.S. The vast saints listing covers; past, present, and future believers. The
heathen or gentiles are the only non-saints
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Mary says:
June 10, 2014 at 10:35 pm
Pope Francis is trying to Unite all People (whomever wrote the above is wrong). There are no bad
religions only Bad People. I for one understand his quest & praise him for it!!!! People just believe
whatever they see printed before their eyes, if it is written on the internet it must be true, duh? Read
the article again. Find the truth in it. We are All Brothers & Sisters & better get used to it. God bless
him if he can unite us all as was Gods plan. He is putting him self out there (maybe in harms way),
yet that is not an obstacle for him. For years the World has been putting the Pope down for not doing
a good enough job, Well now we have one who is going up and above and they are still gripping. All I
heard in most of the comments was HATE, HATE, HATE, JUDGE, JUDGE, JUDGE. I say where is the
Devil in this article????? People getting information on the internet because they are too lazy to pick
up their Bible & read it???? Who wants to listen to them? Just try to open up your heart to all people
in this world. Love them, pray for them, do not judge, be an instrument of God. Thats what he wants
of you. If you cant do this then SHUT UP, you have nothing I want to hear. Wow, didnt know I had all
of that in me. Just saying this is one Christians thoughts, ideals, & beliefs.I will leave you
now,friends hoping youre not upset with me but I believe you now know how I am when it come to
our Lord. JESUS DIED FOR US BECAUSE HE LOVED US. What can we do for him????? Its just not all
that hard for me to understand. Just do what he asked of us. PERIOD.
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MRH says:
June 18, 2014 at 9:56 pm
Be not deceived Mary, as the Pope is not whom he portrays himself to be
P.S. The Vatican swims in occult symbolism, evidence proves things
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JimT74 says:
June 10, 2014 at 10:41 pm
This is something all Christians must some day before the Second Coming, think about and pray
about and study about: Rome is well able to hold up to the whole world nearly, the fact that ALL
SHOULD follow after her! Why?
In 1582, in October on the 4th day of that year, the world began following after the Papal Calendar of
Pope Gregory XIII! Those who are keeping any day on that Calendar as a holy sabbath, or anything of
that nature, you are not using the Biblical Lunisolar Calendar, you are all following after Rome! Rome
lists as a reason why she is the only truth on this planet, because although she changed the sabbath
(by changing the calendar is the truth but the Church just tells us she changed the day from the
7th day to the 1st day of the week), and so what we see is a satanic ploy at work, Satan having had
the calendar changed back in BCE 86, to the Julian Pagan Roman Calendar, and then again in 1582, to
the Papal Roman Calendar. ALL the days on this calendar, belong to the Papacy, and we better get
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right with the Creators teaching.
Christ was not only our Saviour; He was also our Example, and He did not live by the Julian Calendar
through His life on Earth, He lived by he Lunisolar Calendar of the Israelites, given to them, when
they came out of Egypt, [circa BCE 1500]. Satan is working in places you arent looking, and I do love
you dear people, and The Father and Son agapau you all too. Please pray about this, before it is too
late!
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Mary Leavesley says:
June 13, 2014 at 10:51 pm
We are to follow Jesus example. He never changed the sabbathhis diciples kept the sabbath,
Jesus, after preaching in the synagog to the Jews, preached to the gentiles on sabbath. The
biggest lie in the RCC is saying that they were given authority to change it. By who? God said
that his word shall not be changed not one jot or tittle. Almost all Protestants are worshipping
on Sunday..a day of the sun gods (Pagan) adoptd into christianity by RCC. So, if Protestant
christians are still worshipping on sunday..as a RCC tradition..then I say, they need to do some
Bible searching to justify it. Thats why the RCC (Pope) can rally up sunday worshipping
people, back to the mother church from whence their forefathers fought to get away from in
the reformation.We are many decendants away from those days when people died for their
faith. But they brought with them many of the traditions from that mother church RCC.I am a
sabbath keeper and I believe that in the end it is going to be to whom do you worship. Our
Creator God, or mammon ,False god Satan. It is a spiritual warfare, and alot of people do not
have on their spiritual eyesight. Best wake up everybody.Put on your spiritual armour and get
ready for war. a war for our minds, body and soulJesus is the only way, truth and Life. Pope
Francis, as nice as it seems to be unifying all..will not be able to unite in same spirit..Jesus is
coming for his Bride..will you be ready?
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MRH says:
June 18, 2014 at 7:36 pm
We are to follow Jesus example. He never changed the sabbathhis diciples kept the
sabbath, Jesus, after preaching in the synagog to the Jews, preached to the gentiles on
sabbath
@Mary: The sabbath was a day of total rest, not of any works (preaching is a work). Both
Jesus and his disciples indeed did varied works on the sabbath. And the only way to
honorably keep the sabbath is to stay home and rest. Going to church already is breaking
the sabbath. And so by strict biblical sabbath law, all you self-claimed sabbath keepers
should be put to death
Exo 16:29 KJV See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth
you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no
man go out of his place on the seventh day.
Exo 31:15 KJV Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest,
holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be
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put to death.
Exo 35:2-3 KJV Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to
you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be
put to death. Ye shall kindle no ire throughout your habitations upon the sabbath
day.
Jhn 5:18 KJV Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had
broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with
God.
Act 17:2 KJV And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days
reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Col 2:16 KJV Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an
holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
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Rob [Southafrica] says:
June 11, 2014 at 12:28 am
Mary says:June 10, 2014 at 10:35 pm>>There are no bad religions only Bad People
There are only two paths dear Mary and only two seed lines, the good and the bad.
Note that in the book Revelation there are no/non denominational names of Christian churches
above the entrances/gates into our Fathers city.
Rev 21:10 He carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the holy
city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God,
Rev 21:12 having a great and high wall; having twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels; and
names written on them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel.
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Mary says:
June 11, 2014 at 2:02 pm
Thought no 2 Just for you Rob, since your ears must have been plugged & you did not get it!!
What I was saying! It is so simple, just do as our Lord says & this world would be a better place
to live! Your comment had nothing to do with what I was trying to get across. So here you go,
thought No 2
Those of you (and there are many), who do not understand what the Pope is trying to do is like
that song. you cant see the forest for the Trees. Try looking outside the box. There are no bad
Religion, only Bad People!! Which do you want to be ? The word Catholic (for those of you who
never bothered to look it up) means UNIVERSAL. We accept everyone. (Someone has to) Try to
think of Our Pope as someone who is trying to create peace among all Mankind. He is no
different than Joel Osteen or any other Evangelist & I dont hear any of you haters putting them
down. I say check in the mirror and take a good, hard, look at your own self before you start
throwing stones. We are all brothers and sisters & you better get used to it!! So shut up and
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start getting with the program before someone starts thinking you haters are the Devil in
disguise. If you dont have anything to say that is positive ..just SHUT UP, please, please,
please! Look in your Bible instead of the internet to get your answers. The Bible is all about
what our Lord wants in this world he created and that is Love, Love, Love. Remember he died
on the cross for our sins? Why are you creating more disruption? Why is there Hate in your
heart when you call yourself a Christian? Hypocrites!!!! Get on your knees and beg for Gods
forgiveness. Just stop for a minute and wonder {what the heck am I talking about when I am
getting my information from the internet?} I SAY hurray for Pope Francis he is doing
something most of the people on Gods earth would not have the nerve to! Da Ya Get It????
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Tracy says:
June 11, 2014 at 2:23 pm
@Mary,
With all due respect, I believe that you need to get into your Bible and study a bit more.
God is our Master, not your Pope who sometimes walks around with a crown (?) on his
head. He is just an ordinary man, nothing more.
My pastor preaches love of fellow-man also; but too, he knows that he is just a man
saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, and preaches scripture from Gods Holy
Word.
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Brenda Murphy says:
June 11, 2014 at 9:50 pm
Jas 5:9 Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the
judge standeth before the door.
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Tracy says:
June 12, 2014 at 6:28 pm
@Brenda,
Be very careful; didnt I see in one of your post above (June 10, 9.59 a.m.) you
referred to the Catholic Church as having the antichrist spirit, and is just a decoy to
throw Christians off.
Better pay attention.
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Brenda Murphy says:
June 12, 2014 at 8:10 pm
What???
What do you mean, Tracy???
I am always paying attention!
Please explain????
Brenda Murphy says:
June 12, 2014 at 8:12 pm
If you can teach me somethingthen go ahead..
Brenda Murphy says:
June 12, 2014 at 8:18 pm
We are NOT all brothers and sisters, Tracy..only those that are born of the
Spirit, the true Spirit, not the antichrist spirit!
1Jn 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the lesh, and the lust of the
eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
1Jn 2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth
the will of God abideth for ever.
1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that
antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we
know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been
of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that
they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
1Jn 2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
1Jn 2:21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but
because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
Brenda Murphy says:
June 13, 2014 at 7:56 pm
That irst verse was for Mary, not you, anyway!
It just came under yours, because I posted after you did, in reply to her.
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Elsa Sabit says:
June 11, 2014 at 11:05 am
Joel Osteen need to be born again. He didnt know the meaning of ecumenical .? Its one religion
under by Roman Catholic.. We called it one world religion, the mother of harlot the anti Christ . What
kind of bible he is reading, his own bible or his own version. I called him the deceiver.
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Julie Chalfant Capes says:
June 11, 2014 at 5:23 pm
Esme, I'm in the church, which is the bride of Christ. I'm not of Jewish descent. That's not to say
there are no Jews in the church. To be in the church , the WORD of God says in the book of acts how
we must be saved
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Revelation 2:9 says:
June 11, 2014 at 3:15 pm
Hey, I thought that I would post this info.stupid goyim.
Here is an excerpt,I hope you all learn something.
Satan At The Wailing Wall
By Brother Nathanael Kapner
Copyright 2013
If theres one rite of passage that every American politician must pass through its doing obeisance
to the Jews at the Wailing Wall.
Even Rand Paul caved to the Jews (something his father would never do) and found himself
sacriicing his own son to the Kotel Rabbi looking as if he was being led away to the slaughter.
You see, taking the mark of the beast in order to buy Jewish admission to sell political services is
every American politicians career-dependent rite of passage.
Now, the Jews would have us believe that theres something sacred about the Western Wall, that its
a remnant of the Second Temple, where paper prayers of the Goyim are snatched by the Divine
Presence who supposedly dwells in its crevices and stones.
Dead wrong.
The Wailing Wall is actually the remains of a Roman fortress called Fort Antonia built north of the
actual Temple where no protruding rock ever existed but rather was built upon the Gihon Spring.
The rock upon which the Dome of the Rock was built adjoining the Western Wall was actually the
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centerpiece around which Fort Antonia was built. Theres nothing sacred about this rock or this
Wall.
This is attested to by the eyewitness, Jewish historian Josephus, who also wrote in his Jewish Wars
that the Romans left nothing above or below ground of the Second Temple so that one coming to
Jerusalem thereafter would never believe a Temple ever existed.
According to Josephus, Titus, the Roman General who razed Jerusalem to the ground in 70 AD,
allowed Fort Antonia to remain to house the Tenth Legion left to monitor Roman affairs in
Jerusalem.
And thus the prophecy of Christ, Not one stone will be left upon another, was fulilled. God will not
be mocked.
If you still dont believe me, then get the book, The Temples That Jerusalem Forgot, by Professor Dr
Ernest Martin, and youll surely be convinced.
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Shirley Singer Makola says:
June 11, 2014 at 7:50 pm
YES!!! Thts right.
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Theresa Lopez says:
June 11, 2014 at 8:02 pm
jonathanBaptism was given to take away the sin inherited from Adam (original sin) and any sins
we personally committed before baptism. Sins we personally commit are called actual sins, because
they come from our own acts. Thus on the day of Pentecost, Peter told the crowds, "Repent, and be
baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall
receive the gift of the Holy Spirit" (Acts 2:38), and when Paul was baptized he was told, "And now
why do you wait? Rise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on his name" (Acts 22:16).
And so Peter later wrote, "Baptism now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an
appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ" (1 Pet. 3:21).
For sins committed after baptism, a different sacrament is needed. It has been called penance,
confession, and reconciliation, each word emphasizing one of its.aspects. During his life, Christ
forgave sins, as in the case of the woman caught in adultery (John 8:111) and the woman who
anointed his feet (Luke 7:48). He exercised this power in his human capacity as the Messiah or Son
of man, telling us, "the Son of man has authority on earth to forgive sins" (Matt. 9:6), which is why
the Gospel writer himself explains that God "had given such authority to men" (Matt. 9:8).
Since he would not always be with the Church visibly, Christ gave this power to other men so the
Church, which is the continuation of his presence throughout time (Matt. 28:20), would be able to
offer forgiveness to future generations. He gave his power to the apostles, and it was a power that
could be passed on to their successors and agents, since the apostles wouldnt always be on earth
either, but people would still be sinning.
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God had sent Jesus to forgive sins, but after his resurrection Jesus told the apostles, "As the Father
has sent me, even so I send you. And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them,
Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any,
they are retained" (John 20:2123). (This is one of only two times we are told that God breathed on
man, the other being in Genesis 2:7, when he made man a living soul. It emphasizes how important
the establishment of the sacrament of penance was.)
Christ told the apostles to follow his example: "As the Father has sent me, even so I send you" (John
20:21). Just as the apostles were to carry Christs message to the whole world, so they were to carry
his forgiveness: "Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and
whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven" (Matt. 18:18).
This power was understood as coming from God: "All this is from God, who through Christ
reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation" (2 Cor. 5:18). Indeed, conirms
Paul, "So we are ambassadors for Christ" (2 Cor. 5:20).
Some say that any power given to the apostles died with them. Not so. Some powers must have, such
as the ability to write Scripture. But the powers necessary to maintain the Church as a living,
spiritual society had to be passed down from generation to generation. If they ceased, the Church
would cease, except as a quaint abstraction. Christ ordered the apostles to, "Go therefore and make
disciples of all nations." It would take much time. And he promised them assistance: "Lo, I am with
you always, to the close of the age" (Matt. 28:1920).
If the disciples believed that Christ instituted the power to sacramentally forgive sins in his stead, we
would expect the apostles successorsthe bishopsand Christians of later years to act as though
such power was legitimately and habitually exercised. If, on the other hand, the sacramental
forgiveness of sins was what Fundamentalists term it, an "invention," and if it was something foisted
upon the young Church by ecclesiastical or political leaders, wed expect to ind records of protest. In
fact, in early Christian writings we ind no sign of protests concerning sacramental forgiveness of
sins. Quite the contrary. We ind confessing to a priest was accepted as part of the original deposit of
faith handed down from the apostles.
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Mary Alice Leavesley says:
June 11, 2014 at 8:14 pm
Anthony Noel Murphy Do you have a Seventh Day Adventist station? We have broadcasting around
the world. you can gain a lot of Godly wisdom thru the word spoken on there.We have radio and tv.
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Mary Alice Leavesley says:
June 11, 2014 at 8:38 pm
Daniel Phillips Yes, I knowIf you have read any of my posts..I was raised catholic..but really didn't
try to disect it when I was young. It was only by my searching, that light was shown me thru God's
word. This is when I started to feel really deceived with the RRC.i am still on my journey for the
whole truth.with God's guidance..Amazing Grace
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Melyn DeVito says:
June 11, 2014 at 11:24 pm
Theresa Lopezwe are the church Christ brideJesus is the only way, the truth and the life; no one
can come to the Father except through Him (John 14:6)a Christian is a true follower of
ChristJesus Christ should be front and center in your lifedid you at one time in your life had
accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior? and believed that through His death, burial and
resurrection we obtained salvation? Please read the book John more so John 3:3
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Mary Alice Leavesley says:
June 12, 2014 at 12:51 am
LeeAnn Leonard yes, you are right. I have a hard time expressing myself..I am kind of new at this
forum comments. They seem to come at you from left to right. so many opinions and statementsit
is good that we are all thinking..God loves us allwe show our love for God by the way we love
others.God bless.
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Daniel Phillips says:
June 12, 2014 at 1:00 am
Mary Alice Leavesley I was raised catholic too.My mom wanted me to be a rpiest .I open the bible
and found the truth .The free gift that Jesus gives of salvation .Not by works or deeds are we saved .
Jesus give freely forgiveness to all that ask Jesus for forgiveness .Mary the truth matters .Those that
think being good or being catholic merit them salvation are sadly lost .So I share the truth so they
can escape hell and gain heaven .It's love that share the truth . 1 john 1 if we confess of Sin Jesus is
just and faithful to forgive all sins .That the awesome love of God .
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Tracy says:
June 12, 2014 at 6:23 pm
@Daniel Phillips,
Amen! So true.
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Theresa Lopez says:
June 12, 2014 at 1:04 am
so in essence your saying just for being catholic I am going to hell. I don't believe that and neither
should anyone else.
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Daniel Phillips says:
June 12, 2014 at 1:07 am
Theresa Lopez Water Baptism does not take away sin nor save you . We are forgiven of sin by faith in
confess to Jesus . Baptism again does not bring us salvation .Baptism is the outward sihgn to show
the world we have already gain salvation through Jesus . Those who think baptism saves are
contradicting the whole truth of Scripture that clearly show people being saved (as evidenced by
their receiving the Holy Spirit) prior to being baptized or without being baptized at all (like the thief
on the cross in Luke 23:39-43). A good example of someone who was saved before being baptized is
Cornelius and his household in Acts 10. We know that they were saved before being baptized
because they had received the Holy Spirit, which is the evidence of salvation (Romans 8:9; Ephesians
1:13; 1 John 3:24). The evidence of their salvation was the reason Peter allowed them to be baptized.
Countless passages of Scripture clearly teach that salvation comes when one believes in the gospel,
at which time he or she is sealed in Christ with the Holy Spirit of promise (Ephesians 1:13).
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MRH says:
June 15, 2014 at 11:20 pm
Baptism is the outward sihgn to show the world we have already gain salvation through
Jesus
@Daniel: I hate to inform, but baptism is wrongly taught by many
According to the bible, all of the people (Jews) were baptized by Johns baptism (water), plus
only Jews are again baptized in Acts 2:38. So how then is it that everyone thinks that Acts 2:38
implies water also? Anyway, I did a study recently on things which I think clariies things
somewhat
Luk 3:16, 21 KJV John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one
mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize
you with the Holy Ghost and with ire: Now when all the people were baptized, it came to
pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,
Jhn 1:31-33 KJV And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore
am I come baptizing with water. And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from
heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize
with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and
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remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
http://aeroventure.com/BiblicalControversies/BiblicalControversies.htm
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Theresa Lopez says:
June 12, 2014 at 1:11 am
Baptism talks away the original sin and but does not save u..Yes we agree!!
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Pstr Ken says:
June 17, 2014 at 2:25 pm
Praise the mighty Lord Jesus, blessings precious elects of the Lord. Time is over the Messiah is
coming very soon. Look at this website and witness the very latest conversation of the Lord
God Almighty the holy one of Israel had with the Church. On this subject of Baptism every
Christian who desire to enter into the Glorious Kingdom of God, must be Baptised in mass
water emmussion. Jesus said i do this to fulill all righteousness. So as Isaiah 40. 1-6, prepare
yea the way for the Messiah is coming. Baptism is part of the preparation. Amen Shalom
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MRH says:
June 17, 2014 at 5:13 pm
On this subject of Baptism every Christian who desire to enter into the Glorious
Kingdom of God, must be Baptised in mass water emmussion
Only according to mainstream religion, not according to the bible
Act 1:4-5, 8 KJV And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they
should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he,
ye have heard of me. For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized
with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. But ye shall receive power, after that the
Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and
in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
P.S. The baptism Jesus foretold above was not to be of water but rather of the Holy Spirit.
The problem is that the church chooses to continue in the old covenant in many ways,
though Jesus clearly fulilled the entire law. And water baptism by John and with the
prophets was still under the old law covenant.
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Brenda Murphy says:
June 18, 2014 at 12:03 pm
Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he
might bring us to God, being put to death in the lesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God
waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is,
eight souls were saved by water.
1Pe 3:21 The like igure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not
the putting away of the ilth of the lesh, but the answer of a good conscience
toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
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MRH says:
June 18, 2014 at 6:30 pm
Brenda: A simple logical question and answer test
Q: Was the repentant thief on the cross baptized?
A: No, which proves that water doesnt save anyone!
P.S. Why do you religious folk always complicate matters?
Rom 10:8-13 KJV But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy
mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; That if
thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in
thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be
saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the
mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever
believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between
the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call
upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be
saved.
Eph 2:4-9 KJV But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith
he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together
with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) And hath raised us up together, and
made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: That in the ages to
come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward
us through Christ Jesus. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that
not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should
boast.
2Ti 1:9-10 KJV Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling,
not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and
grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, But is now
made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath
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gospel:
Tit 3:5-7 KJV Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but
according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and
renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus
Christ our Saviour; That being justiied by his grace, we should be made
heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
Rev 21:24 KJV And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in
the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour
into it.
Brenda Murphy says:
June 19, 2014 at 1:19 pm
Mark, if you do not want to do what Jesus says, then why be a Christian?
Luk 6:43 For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a
corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Luk 6:44 For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not
gather igs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.
Luk 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that
which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth
forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth
speaketh.
Luk 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I
say?
Mat 3:13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized
of him.
Mat 3:14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and
comest thou to me?
Mat 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for
thus it becometh us to fulil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
MRH says:
June 19, 2014 at 5:16 pm
Mark, if you do not want to do what Jesus says, then why be a Christian?
@Brenda: For one, Im a Christian because of my faith, not because of your
religion. Secondly, Jesus did not instruct the church in water baptism. The
church took it upon themselves in matters. Thirdly, why do you continually
judge and accuse me for my differing beliefs?
P.S. Are we not all sitting in the same holy hope boat?
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Brenda Murphy says:
June 19, 2014 at 5:30 pm
I do not accuse you, but the Word of God is truth, and if you get convicted, so
be it.
Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any
twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit,
and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents
of the heart.
Heb 4:13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but
all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to
do.
MRH says:
June 19, 2014 at 6:10 pm
I do not accuse you
@Brenda: You most certainly do
P.S. As do the others in opposition
Brenda Murphy says:
June 19, 2014 at 7:34 pm
What have I accused you of???
MRH says:
June 19, 2014 at 8:01 pm
Nothing serious Brenda, just all part of the funky blog debate game
P.S. I engage in other Christian debates (online, ofline), not by desire, but by
circumstance. And as long as the debates are cordial, they even can be fun.
However such debates have no winners, as none can prove nor dis-prove
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Daniel Phillips says:
June 12, 2014 at 1:21 am
Theresa Lopez Baptism takes away nothing .you clearly follow some false ideology like Catholicism
because no where in the bible does it say what you claim it does 'Baptism takes away the original sin
of are irst parents ' That statement is 100% false .Only faith in Jesus can and will remove ALL SINS
. Confession to Jesus for your sins and He removes all of them .You cannot do anything to gain
forgiven .It a free gift .Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death
through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned" (Rom. 5:12). 19 For as by one
man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made
righteous.
20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did
much more abound:
21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto
eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
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Mary Alice Leavesley says:
June 12, 2014 at 1:39 am
We are living in the last days according to Revelation and Daniel. We are living in the toes 0f the
statue of Nebuhadnezzar's dream..iron mixed with clay..Iron being Roman Rule and now a mixture of
many governments trying to obtain peace that will never mix or happen. When the rock that was cut
out without human hands hits the statue..it crumbles..Thats Jesus return. we are also living in the
Laocedian churchwe're luke warmMany people are out witnessing..but we also have alot of
indifferent so called christians , just sitting in the pews . Like nothing has changed or will ever
change.we all can be used as a witnesskindness, hospitality, giving, showing God's love to
others.Jesus is the Way, Truth and Life..and nobody comes to the Father, but by Him. I am leary about
what the Pope is doing. I think we have forgotten why the Reformation ever happened in the irst
place. If only our Reformers could see what their followers are doing with the truths they fought for
and even died for. This was serious then and it is serious now. People wake upour time of sleeping
and resting on what we thought we knew is over
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Rob Fox says:
June 12, 2014 at 1:46 am
Yeah, I had to review the arguments between post and pre-trip and the pre-tribbers remain weak in
their stance, mainly falling back on the claim that the anti-christ will not be able to reign while
Christians are still on this earth. Well, I have news for them. There is great evil being directed at
thousands of people already and most do not even see it. This leads to the obvious fact that the
anti-christ could be here on earth and very few will recognize him or his inluence until he actually
reveals himself. And some of us Christians are already suffering under the torment of what could
very well be his evil.
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However, it is because of this deception that we cannot rule out the 70th week. In 2 Thes 2:3, Paul
writes that Jesus cannot return until the "Man of Sin" is revealed. This implies that he could be on
the earth for decades before that event. It is only until he starts to draw attention to himself that
things start to happen.
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Reid Fox says:
June 12, 2014 at 2:12 am
If you don't know who the man of sin is I don't know what else to say.
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Rob Fox says:
June 12, 2014 at 2:37 am
I understand your reference but I'm speaking of an individual who would be the very man at the
center of the abomination of desolation. If it is who you're implying, this could go on for decades yet.
But thinking on current events, things are heating up and there will be a reckoning between those
who look to this igurehead for hope and consolation in increasing times of trouble, and those who
know he just a liar.
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Kathy Fugitt Price Skaggs says:
June 12, 2014 at 2:53 am
Sandra the rapture is scriptual and was taught by Paul among others but besides that it isn't a
salvation issue. People who do or do not believe in the rapture will still go to heaven as long as they
are christians.
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Antony John says:
June 12, 2014 at 1:39 pm
Julie Chalfant Capes Jacob was renamed Israel, who had 12 sons. Judah (Jews) was but one son of
12. As "Christians" you're grafted into Israel (it says so in your New Testament), so guess what,
Jacob's trouble refers to you as well. You will be going through the trib whether you believe it or not.
The Pre-Trib is yet another lie we've inherited from the Roman Catholic Church. Fortunately just like
Noah we'll be protected.
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Omar L Branch says:
June 12, 2014 at 2:58 pm
Daniel Phillips Thank you Daniel Phillips for sharing. The Bible clearly states that Jesus hates
Catholicism and calls it the Great Whore and the Mother of Harlots..#facts #Revelations Chapter 17
and 18..
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Dianne Orton says:
June 12, 2014 at 7:05 pm
Yes, I agree, check things out! A great place to start is God's Learning Channel, glc.us.com that is
where I irst saw & heard Jim Staley.
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Kyle Burton says:
June 12, 2014 at 8:46 pm
Kathy Fugitt Price Skaggs Yeah I mean we're all brothers and sisters in Christ, that's the most
important thing. Walk by faith and we'll be alright either way God bless
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King David says:
June 13, 2014 at 7:45 pm
Their is NO true church, you will all be judged individually according to your actions.
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MRH says:
June 17, 2014 at 3:54 pm
Actually the true church in the bible is the body of Christ or believers as a whole. And yes we
are all judged individually
1Co 12:27 KJV Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
2Co 5:10 KJV For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one
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may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or
bad.
And we are also collectively the; temple of God, bride of Christ, and part of new Jerusalem.
1Co 3:16-17 KJV Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God
dwelleth in you? If any man deile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God
is holy, which temple ye are.
Heb 12:22-23 KJV But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the
heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and
church of the irstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits
of just men made perfect,
Rev 21:9-10 KJV And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full
of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride,
the Lambs wife. And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed
me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
P.S. Full knowledge comes at the resurrection.. Christs return
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King David says:
June 13, 2014 at 7:47 pm
You are sadly misled. Jesus is the Way not the Pope.
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MRH says:
June 17, 2014 at 4:19 pm
Actually the Pope is not a true believer period. Which makes him a false prophet, as he
preaches false doctrine.
P.S. FYI Pope Francis once said; Jesus is just a man, a person. Which completely contradicts
what the bible teaches about Jesus.
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MRH says:
June 17, 2014 at 4:30 pm
The truth behind the Pope
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Mitch says:
June 13, 2014 at 8:04 pm
How dare he preach peace and tolerance!!1 Thats not the church I grew up with!
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MRH says:
June 17, 2014 at 4:21 pm
The answer is in my above post Mitch
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Anonymous says:
June 15, 2014 at 5:05 am
Amen to Henco comments, Jesus did not excuse Himself from tribulation, we should not expect to be
released either. The bible states that ALL who live godly SHALL suffer persecution and that
especially includes these last days!
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MRH says:
June 17, 2014 at 4:12 pm
Persecution is a side effect of our holy faith. The more we preach holy matters, the greater will
be our persecution. And preaching in some ill places can result in prison or death.
P.S. The term tribulation simply means; trouble, distress, anguish, etc. Therefore persecution
is a form of tribulation, as are natural or man-made disasters. However persecution itself is on
an individual basis of ill intent
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Brenda Murphy says:
June 17, 2014 at 6:51 pm
Amen! We will have to give our testimony, not deny His name.
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STL says:
June 16, 2014 at 3:25 am
If you have Salvation through Jesus Christ, everything else does not matter. Because until it happens,
then youll know the exact truth. And you can only recieve Salvation by reading Gods scriptures.
Everyone has their own opinions about the scripture your reading, the scriptures were never made
for the mass but the singular person reading them. So all of you can argue your hearts out, until it
occurs, then no one will actually know exactly the time and date of any events.
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Bobby Zurek says:
June 16, 2014 at 4:18 pm
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with
the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise irst. Then we who are alive and remain shall be
caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be
with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words. But concerning the times and the
seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. For you yourselves know perfectly
that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. For when they say, "Peace and safety!", then
sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not
escape. (I Thessalonians 4:16-5:3
There is nothing in the Bible to support a Pre or Post TribI wish my brothers and sisters in Christ
would read the bible in the light of scripturefor it explains itself clearlyThe notion of pre and post
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trib is the work of Satan
pleas read here http://thechristianobserver.blogspot.com/2013/04/the-greatest-deception-of-all-
time_7.html
For a full explanation of the rapture in the light of scripture.
I am not here to force my believes but to bring to light what scripture says..
God bless!
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MRH says:
June 16, 2014 at 9:20 pm
There is nothing in the Bible to support a Pre or Post Trib
@Bobby: Part of the problem is deining the great tribulation
A) Its focus will be in Israel, not in other countries
Luk 21:20-24 KJV And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that
the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them which are in Judaea lee to the mountains; and let
them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter
thereinto.
B) It will concern the Jews, or those in Israel at the time
For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulilled. But woe
unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be
great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
C) It will be a major holy war in the holy land
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations:
and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulilled.
Also the second coming is a one time (but divided) event; for saints, with saints
1Co 15:22-26 KJV For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man
in his own order: Christ the irstfruits; afterward they that are Christs at his coming. Then
cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he
shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all
enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
P.S. The resurrection will be; instant, visible, and will result in global chaos. Anyway, things are
best symbolically detailed in Revelation 11, concerning the mysterious two witnesses
http://aeroventure.com/REVELATION/2-WITNESSES.htm
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MRH: If you got all the answers. please explain what event in our near future will start
the 7 year Tribulation?
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MRH says:
June 17, 2014 at 2:12 am
@STL: You should know full as well as I do, that the key to the future great
tribulation lies with the rise of the third Jewish temple, and installing of the
mystery abomination of desolation?
Hint: According to the bible, there is no 7 year tribulation. That idea is a fable
created by wrong scripture interpretation. Both Daniel and Revelation explain
things. The tribulation of saints forms the latter half of Daniels last week, and is
not of the end. Also the 1260 days (Daniel 10, 12?), or 42 months of Revelation 13.
And the times of the Gentiles fulillment in Revelation 11 (Daniels last week?).
P.S. There are no other obvious biblical clues pertaining to the inal segment of
normal human history that Im aware of. The rapture/resurrection signals the end
of the world as we now know it to be (humanity.. mans rule), and it certainly will
not go unnoticed. After rapture is the inal end of the world and humanity period
Tip: The great tribulation doesnt end all tribulation. In fact the end of the world is
the greatest tribulation event. The wrath of Satan and God combined are the
absolute end of humanity (lesh). Following will be the millennium, which will be
very different in all points and purposes, as bible declares
DID I ANSWER UNTO YOUR INQUISITION?
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Dan says:
June 17, 2014 at 8:37 pm
Mark if you go to my above (June 9th) Post I give you a reason for
the Pre Trib belief. It is scripture and you will have to read. But, after you do I would be
interested to know what you think.
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MRH says:
June 17, 2014 at 10:19 pm
Dan, I read post, but not sure what to say. It all comes down to biblical
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interpretation I guess. Personally, I think 1 Cor 15 best details things in simple
minded terms
1Co 15:22-26 KJV For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
But every man in his own order: Christ the irstfruits; afterward they that are
Christs at his coming. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up
the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all
authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
This passage also its with the Gospel accounts. However, please understand that
the church was not known during Jesus hour on earth or before. Therefore early
references to saints or the elect could only indicate Jews, as Gentiles were the
enemy then.
According to Paul, true believers have already overcame
1Jo 4:4 KJV Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because
greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
But according to John, not all churches have overcame
Rev 2:4-7 KJV Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left
thy irst love. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do
the irst works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick
out of his place, except thou repent. But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of
the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit
saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of
life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
P.S. I believe that the reason the church is not mentioned between Revelation
chapters 4-19, is because it really isnt relevant, not that it isnt present in the mix.
Therefore the saints whom are overcome I think concerns the blind Jews in
Jerusalem, as it details war elements; sword, spoil, captivity, etc. However we will
just have to wait and see what the future yields
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Dan says:
June 18, 2014 at 7:39 am
Mark, Im saying there is scripture clearly supports a pre-tribs rapture.
And, your right its not relevant for the church to be mentioned in
Revelations chapters 4-19 because the church is not on earth. Do you really
believe if the church were to going through such a great outpouring of G-ds
wrath on earth not to be relevant ?
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Rev_13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth
with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the
faith of the saints.
Rev_14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the
commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
It talks about the saints throughout the new Testament, all the way thru to
the end of Revelation!!!
Rev_2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to
him will I give power over the nations:
Rev_3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and
I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name
before my Father, and before his angels.
Rev_3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God,
and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God,
and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh
down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
Rev_3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne,
even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
Rev_21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God,
and he shall be my son.
Are you an overcomer?
MRH says:
June 18, 2014 at 5:01 pm
It talks about the saints throughout the new Testament, all the way thru to
the end of Revelation!!!
Are you an overcomer?
@Brenda: Christians (true believers) are saved period
1Jo 2:12-14 KJV I write unto you, little children, because your sins are
forgiven you for his names sake. I write unto you, fathers, because ye have
known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because
ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye
have known the Father. I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have
known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men,
because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have
overcome the wicked one.
P.S. The term saints simply means holy ones, of which includes; angels,
Jews, and Christians. Also the saints of tomorrow are not the same saints of
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Ron Murphy says:
June 19, 2014 at 3:49 pm
If your going to get technical about it, the church was never memtion in the
book of Revelation chapters 1-4, except for instruction to the churches in
Asia. He never said anything about them escaping tribulation, but only to
escape temptation. Tribulation is not temptation, but its counter part. If we
take the temptation we are no longer in tribulation. Tribulation is war with
the saints, temptation is taking the mark of the beast, to enjoy life better. We
that are alive and remain shall not prevent the martyrs from raising from the
dead( bodily that is, as their souls are coming from heaven). We shall be
gathered from the four winds of heaven and earth, Mark 13:27.
MRH says:
June 19, 2014 at 4:11 pm
If your going to get technical about it, the church was never memtion in the
book of Revelation chapters 1-4, except for instruction to the churches in
Asia.
@Ron: Partially true, but the seven churches are also prophetic, and thus
apply to our time as well
Rev 2:7, 11, 26, 29 KJV He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit
saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree
of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. He that hath an ear, let
him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall
not be hurt of the second death. And he that overcometh, and keepeth my
works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: He that hath
an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Rev 3:5-6, 12-13, 21-22 KJV He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed
in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I
will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. He that hath
an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. Him that
overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no
more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the
city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven
from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. He that hath an ear,
let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. To him that
overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame,
and am set down with my Father in his throne. He that hath an ear, let him
hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
P.S. Obviously the above concerns us today as well?
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MRH says:
June 18, 2014 at 4:30 pm
Do you really believe if the church were to going through such a great outpouring
of G-ds wrath on earth not to be relevant ?
@Dan: No, but the great tribulation is NOT Gods wrath. The wrath follows
tribulation according to scripture. Also it is during wrath when the beast is in full
global power. The only power he has during the tribulation is unto the saints, as
the rest of the world blindly worships him. But after the rapture the deceived
world wakes up, resulting in the martyrs. At least thats how I interpret things
brother
P.S. None of us really know the holy score, as its hidden in plain sight, just like the
occult games. Neither faction can be proven or dis-proven either, as there is no
solid evidence. Nor will there be until the inal phase begins, and even then only a
portion of the populace will awaken
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Dan says:
June 19, 2014 at 7:50 am
Mark so your saying the 7 scrolls ,7 trumpets and 7 bowls are not G-ds
wrath and also not part of the tribulation ?
Come on Mark! Chapters 6 19 in revelation is known as the Tribulation or
the beginning of sorrows
Jesus himself said that if he did not return during this time to end it ;there
would be no one left alive.
Ron Murphy says:
June 19, 2014 at 1:04 pm
Dan, the 7 scrolls are not the wrath of God, only the 7th one is the wrath of
God. The great tribulation comes in the middle of the week and that irst half
of the week is the irst two seals, after that the tribulation begins with the
black horseman and continues though until the 6th scroll(seal), at which
time the rapture takes place. The last scroll, is the wrath of God, after that
tribulation of those days. The wrath consists of the 7th scroll, with is the 7
trumpets, later viewed as the 7 vials, in chapter 16. Tribulation is upon the
saints, the war with them, from the antichrist, Rev 13:7.
The wrath of God is compensation for that war with the saints (great
tribulation), Rev 18:6
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MRH says:
June 19, 2014 at 4:31 pm
Mark so your saying the 7 scrolls ,7 trumpets and 7 bowls are not G-ds
wrath and also not part of the tribulation ?
@Dan: I believe that the 7 seals and 7 trumpets do not fully relect the
tribulation or Gods wrath.. only in part.
Rev 16:1 KJV And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the
seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God
upon the earth.
P.S. I believe that the seals and trumpets include the tribulation and wrath
within them, as well certain events in history, such as indicated on my page
links
Emeka Ugwu says:
June 16, 2014 at 5:28 pm
frankocel I wonder where you get your information that Christian do not use priest, all i know for
sure is that we are priest of the Most High God
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Dan says:
June 19, 2014 at 1:34 pm
@Ron Murphy .. Ron I believe the rapture will happen before the tribulation. I believe the the
scrolls trumpets and bowls are all associated with G-ds wrath. But, my point was they all
happen during the tribulation. I believe the tribulation is 7yrs total not 3 1/2 years.
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Ron Murphy says:
June 19, 2014 at 3:37 pm
Okay, Dan, you have that right, but answer a question for me, will you? Why did it take
the world so long to realize that the wrath of God had come in the 6th scroll? Could it of
been that is when it started or was ready to start? Remember, brother, this is when they
irst get excited and scared and run and hide. They were at peace until then, having a
good time, running Christians down and turning them in to be slaughtered. When do you
suppose, mens hearts begin to fail them? I believe it is when they run and hide, because
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of the things coming on the earth, such as the plagues of the 7 trumpets, which is the
very next seal(scroll).
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Dan says:
June 19, 2014 at 4:06 pm
You know sometimes Ron I think things are so confusing around scripture for a
reason and that reason is G-d just wants us to trust him and believe in him. I mean
wasnt it that simple in the beginning
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Ron Murphy says:
June 19, 2014 at 5:15 pm
No, Dan, it never was easy to understand. God made it that way that the wise
could understand, but the wicked could not. The wise are those that fear God
and seek Him for the truth. Precept upon precept, line upon line, least they
see the truth, that believe not.
Mat_13:14 And in them is fulilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By
hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and
shall not perceive:
Mat_13:15 For this peoples heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of
hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see
with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their
heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Dan 12:10 Many shall be puriied, and made white, and tried; but the wicked
shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise
shall understand.
Dan says:
June 23, 2014 at 10:02 am
Ron these are all acts of G-d pertaining to his judgment and in the same sense his
judgment is his wrath. Theyre all a course of the same event ,and that being
fulillment of prophesy. Youll have to bring me up to speed on why this is so
important. If I understand your line of thinking I will be able to follow you better.
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Emeka Ugwu says:
June 16, 2014 at 5:33 pm
where were these so called protestant in early church, tell me the name of your church and i will tell
you how many it is. so which church is really anti-Christ
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Dan says:
June 19, 2014 at 5:39 pm
@ Ron Murphy .. Dont complicate things by calling yourself wise Ron!
My point was very simple. Believe in him and quit arguing about what kind of tooth paste
Christ used. There is nothing youve done or will do to save yourself or make what he did for
you shine brighter.
No one understands scripture enough to make any difference but one.
To Believe
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Brenda Murphy says:
June 19, 2014 at 5:52 pm
You sound very arrogant, Dan, but thats what happens to people who do not want to
know the truth, they start attacking others, on a personal basis!
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Dan says:
June 20, 2014 at 6:38 am
Brenda Im not being arrogant when I tell Ron the bible is not calling him a wise
man. Was it not Christ that said only G-d is good? Would not only G-d also be
wise. You see Brenda scripture was illed by men inspired by G-d. The only
problem is men have also through arrogance added this and that. G-d wants us to
love him inally without instruction Brenda.
Today the world calls us ignorant for believing in him. Imagine that! While you
fumble through pages in a book ; stop and praise him because you hear his spirit
instead. There are so many today that dont hear his voice. Be glad you do!
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Brenda Murphy says:
June 19, 2014 at 6:08 pm
God wants everyone to be wise, Ron is not just saying he is wise.he is saying that is
what Gods Word is for, to understand.but if you do not want to, that is up to the
individual.if you dont want to have spiritual ears and eyes, to understand, God wont
force you to!
You have to want it.
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Dan says:
June 20, 2014 at 8:42 am
I believe I misunderstood Rons intent in his post now that Ive read it again.
Anyway why am I talking to you and not to Ron? Whos wearin tha pants (kidding)
Brenda we must be more today as Christians. We must realize that book does not
make us his. Because that book is for us rather than us for it. When we use it to
condemn we are using it in a way it was not meant for. Christ assured us that we
each have our own load of wood which excludes all of us from condemning each
other.
If we would debate rather than condemn that would be different.
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Brenda Murphy says:
June 20, 2014 at 1:20 pm
Well, deinitelyRon wears the pants in this family, believe me!
I understand what you are saying, we all can come across as arrogant, if we
profess to know something that some one else doesnt seem to knowjust
like the smart kid in school..we thought they were a bit arrogant, wise, and
obnoxiouswe couldnt stand it cause they were just smarter, even though
they probably were very nice.
We tend to judge what we dont know, especially about people-to
harshlythats what unbelievers see all the time in us Christians. They dont
understand us, because we know something that they dont.
You know, well never understand anyone completely, but thats what living
for Christ is all aboutbeing compassionate to all, and counting our
blessings that God has given us the way and the truth and the lifeand He is
the Light.but most do not want to see and understand.they would
rather have the darkness.
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Dan says:
June 20, 2014 at 4:37 pm
@ Brenda Murphy ! Sorry if I came on too strong!
Come on now Brenda dont pile it own too much!
I dont think you do understand what I was saying because it had nothing to
do with arrogance.
Brenda, what I was saying may hurt your ears, but the body, the bride , the
church is more than a book. One lights the way and the other gives eternal
life to walk it. Do you understand?
Brenda Murphy says:
June 20, 2014 at 7:04 pm
I dont know the point that you are trying to make.
If we live for Christ, yes, we are a beacon of hope in this lost and dying world.
That should be obvious, if we are truly born again.
The Holy Bible was put there to help us to walk it, yes.
So, did I pass your test? LOL
roger parris says:
June 16, 2014 at 9:14 pm
remember the sabbath day to keep it holy remember remember oh ye people
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Dan says:
June 21, 2014 at 8:24 am
@Brenda Murphy. Brenda the reason you not getting the point Im trying to make is because
my discussion was with Ron several post ago.
You see its no wonder you have no idea what Im talking about.
Our discussion was over Revelation and Ron made a statement why did it take the world so
long for us to realize G-ds wrath comes in the 6th scroll My comment was the bible is
confusing for a reason. Rons comment was showing me bible quotes to make my point.
(Laughing) I took it as sarcasm because I missed the irst line of the paragraph and hence this
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whole thing started. Now why I took it as sarcasm (laughing) I will not say because why am I
talking to you instead of him? Tell him to put his pants on! : )
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Brenda Murphy says:
June 21, 2014 at 12:50 pm
He has his pants on, hes out trying to keep me fed, LOL.
He will get back to ya before to long.
I understand you.
I dont know if he will, lol.
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Dan says:
June 21, 2014 at 7:34 pm
No worries . The conversation I was really having started with Mark. Id forgotten
about him(laughing) He usually stays in the conversation but he must have left. I
know you and Ron go back and forth with him and Steve over various
interpretations of the bible. Tell Ron hes doing right by feeding you.. Blessings !
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MRH says:
June 21, 2014 at 9:57 pm
The conversation I was really having started with Mark. Id forgotten about
him(laughing) He usually stays in the conversation but he must have left
No, Dan, Im still following blog, and was wondering why no replies?
Dan says:
June 21, 2014 at 10:14 pm
Theres been no replies because Ive been caught up with Rons alter ego
Brenda.. We all know thats really him.. Right!
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MRH says:
June 21, 2014 at 10:44 pm
Or they are simply one of a kind?
P.S. If its all him disguised, then we have a perpetual sinner on our hands?
For is not deception a sin?
Ron Murphy says:
June 22, 2014 at 12:02 am
Dan, Ive just been to busy lately. Ive been following, along a little, but just
dont have time to cover all bases. I know Brenda is doing a ine job, though,
if people would just listen. Sue, also is doing a wonderful job teaching, along
with Jody. People wouldnt listen to Jesus, so, they will not listen to wisdom
either. I have some teaching to do here, coming up soon. You tube, also takes
some of my time, as I have more listeners there, than here. Many are learning
the truth. Those that fear to die, dont understand the blessing that goes with
it. Jesus said not to fear those that can kill your body.
Brenda Murphy says:
June 22, 2014 at 11:29 pm
@ Dan,
No, I am not Rons alter ego. I am real.
We are quite similar in some ways, though.
We both love to play Chess, and love the great outdoors.
We both love pasta.and tacos. lol
We are both about the same height.
We both wear the same size shoe, and our eyes are blue.
ButI have a lot of hair on my head and he doesnt.
I can not play the guitar, and he can.
He can not crochet.
He loves the water, but I am afraid of it.
He hates to take walks, but I love to.
But we both love the Lord, and believe in the Holy Bible.
And well, thats just about it.
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June 16, 2014 at 9:25 pm
good site keep it up
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Dan says:
June 22, 2014 at 7:55 am
@ Ron Murphy.. What youtube Ron? I would be interested in hearing you teach.
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Dan says:
June 23, 2014 at 9:43 am
@ Brenda Murphy.. What youtube is Ron on. He said he has more listeners there. I would
like to check it out.
As for you being someone else. Ive met 3 on here that do that. Why adults do some
things ; I dont know. Maybe they think there hiding in some way. I really just wanted to
see if Ron would answer and he did. In all fairness I never did really answer his question
on Revelation ch. 6.
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Brenda Murphy says:
June 23, 2014 at 2:08 pm
Ron is the only one that teaches on you tube, I do not.
He is on various sites, basically the ones that teach pre-trib, of course. Just go to
any of the pre-trib sites, and you will probably ind him, lol.:)
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Dan says:
June 23, 2014 at 3:48 pm
Your being vague. Why? Its not that important Brenda and I dont have time
to play ind Ron. I believe in a pre-tribulation as well. I feel the reason I gave
in my above June 9th post supports rapture before the tribulation.
Ive never been on any pre-trib sites I didnt know they existed. If Ron feels I
want to ridicule him on this other site I dont. But, I understand and respect
his feelings if this is case.
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STL says:
June 17, 2014 at 2:23 am
MRH: since you like explaining the differences in the scriptures, please explain why in Revelation
that there is no living Church Age Christian still alive when the 2nd Coming of Jesus Christ to Mt.
Olives?
In 1st Thess. 4: 15-17 speaks of the dead rising and then the living believers rising meeting Jesus
Christ in the air (atmosphere) and be with Him forever. But there is not one verse in Revelation
backs up this 1st Thess. 4: 15-18? Not one?
So this event will happen before the Tribulation begins!
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MRH says:
June 17, 2014 at 2:38 am
So this event will happen before the Tribulation begins!
@STL: No, as I explained before here, the great tribulation signals the end of the world as we
now know it. Followed by the irst resurrection event, which begins our eternity with God and
Christ. And also the absolute destructive end of humanity, the beast kingdom.
P.S. Please dont confuse this world of today with the world of tomorrow. The day of the Lord
begins after tribulation, at resurrection (day of Christ). And the great day of the Lord ends;
after the millennium, and after the great white throne judgment.. according to scripture
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Brenda Murphy says:
June 17, 2014 at 12:45 pm
You might as well give up on him, Markhe just likes to argue for arguments sake. LOL
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MRH says:
June 17, 2014 at 3:28 pm
Yes it sadly does seem to be that way with STL Brenda
P.S. We are all decidedly right in our own minds, and probably wont be proven
otherwise wrong, until Christ returns to set things straight once and for all. Agreed
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sister?
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Brenda Murphy says:
June 17, 2014 at 6:50 pm
We will know then, thats for sure.
STL says:
June 17, 2014 at 3:57 am
MRH: So your the expect on Theology? I have listen to Chuck Missler and he states by his testimony
that your completely wrong in your inding of end times scriptures and was not you the one jumping
back and forth from Mid to Post tribulation as you blasted Ron Murphy testimony of these
scriptures?
The 7 year tribulation is not in scriptures but the covenant between Satan and Israel with be a 7
year period.
So why do not you argue with someone who want to believe in your theories?
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MRH says:
June 17, 2014 at 5:27 am
STL: The covenant does not begin tribulation, the abomination of desolation does. Its very
clearly explained in all three gospels, and in Daniel as well. But whats the use, as Ive
explained this plain biblical fact many times for you, but you keep insisting Im wrong
P.S. Without the covenant there can be no temple and no tribulation
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Kevin Russell says:
June 18, 2014 at 8:29 pm
No, the Rapture happens after the 3 1/2 yr. midpoint of the 7 yr. Tribulation period.
check out 2 Thess. :2. Paul tells us that the Rapture CANNOT HAPPEN before the abomination that
causes desolation (midway point). We are raptured out of the agonies of most of the Great
Tribulation (2nd 1/2 of Trib.), when an angel in Revelation pours out the seven bowls of God's
wrath.
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MRH says:
June 18, 2014 at 4:50 pm
As scripture clearly states, the tribulation follows the abomination of desolation event. Also
tribulation is clearly stated as being in Jerusalem (and unto the Jews there), not unto the
whole world. Fact of matter, the tribulation period is 3.5 years long (not 7). Afterward comes
the wrath period (Satan, God), followed by millennium period
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Brenda Murphy says:
June 18, 2014 at 9:46 pm
Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of
the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image
of the beast should be killed.
Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to
receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of
the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound
was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
Rev_3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from
the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell
upon the earth.
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MRH says:
June 18, 2014 at 11:14 pm
Brenda: Youre jumping around with the scriptures
The latter half of Revelation 13 concerns the second beast (FP), and is within
Satans wrath period, not the tribulation. The latter forms the irst half, the irst
beast (AC)
P.S. The hour of temptation is during wrath of FP
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Brenda Murphy says:
June 19, 2014 at 1:24 pm
I dont jump around, but you like to play dodge ball, lol.
STL says:
June 18, 2014 at 5:37 pm
MRH: If your wrong how are you going to deal with the Tribulation period, if by your medical
condition, your unable to get medical care?
How long have you and I discussed the Rapture and the Restrainer, at least 2 years, and Im still in
my faith that the Rapture will happen before the lawlessness one comes to power of this world?
But you have switch several times from Mid to Post Tribulation. So when the Tribulation begins will
you give up easy, and switch from being a christian to a satan follower?
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MRH says:
June 18, 2014 at 6:09 pm
STL: You keep forgetting that there are two end time igures; beast (AC secular), false prophet
(FP religious). The son of perdition is the latter beast. And it should be quite evident by now
whom that one is? Does not the pope already put himself on the holy pedestal?
P.S. My rapture stance remains the same, just that my tribulation stance is now changed. I used
to believe that the great tribulation is also the wrath of God. But according to my recent
biblical studies, I no longer believe that crazy idea. Even so, I still dont believe that the
tribulation is intended for the church. Why would it need to be, as we have already accepted
Christ? The Jews are the ones whom havent repented, and the tribulation will wake them all
up fast and furiously. Anyway, until the third temple rises we will all continue this silly
pointless debate it seems?
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STL says:
June 18, 2014 at 9:50 pm
MRH: Have you wonder where Ron Murphy is, because since April 14, 2014 he has not posted one
comment or insult to us. Yes, Brenda posts, but since there break up?
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MRH says:
June 18, 2014 at 10:36 pm
STL: Actually not so, as I saw a recent post from him, just that he doesnt post like he used to
do
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Brenda Murphy says:
June 19, 2014 at 4:00 pm
Rons been posting on you tube, and he is doing well with that.
We are doing well, and, yes, we are still post-tribbers.
We even ran across Levi, or he found us, lol.
Good to see that he is okay!
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STL says:
June 18, 2014 at 9:54 pm
MRH: Most of us on this web site, including our host of NTEB, believe your wrong and we will leave
before the Tribulation.
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MRH says:
June 18, 2014 at 10:48 pm
STL: You think Im not aware of that fact? Anyway, we will know in due time whom is right and
wrong on rapture/tribulation topic And what if it happens as I believe, then what will you
say? One thing is certain, many would wonder whats going on.
In any case, the Dome of the Rock must be destroyed, as it is in the way of prophetic progress.
For it stands on holy ground, where the second temple stood. The question is how and who
will demolish it. After all its but an empty cavern.
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Brenda Murphy says:
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Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to
destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few
there be that ind it.
Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheeps clothing, but inwardly they
are ravening wolves.
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STL says:
June 19, 2014 at 2:15 pm
Brenda: Are you post these verses about yourselves, as sheep wearing wolves clothing.
But yes, the gate is narrow, just a few will go up with the Bride of Christ to Heaven.
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Brenda Murphy says:
June 19, 2014 at 4:14 pm
Sheep cant wear wolves clothing, STL.lol
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STL says:
June 19, 2014 at 1:27 am
MRH: Who are the left behinders and who are the unbelievers. Because being a unbeliever comes in
different catagories?
Would you say a believer would be a person to be known as a BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN?
A Person who acts Christ-like?
A Person who sticks up for the Word of God?
A person that has nothing against any races on this earth?
I can remember back how the white people hated Negros because of their skin color.
But it seem people calls themselves christians but they hate MUSLIMS.
Does God allow hate in his KINGDOM?
What about the gays, does God hates gays or the sin they are causing for themselves?
It seems alot of americans believe there christians but they do not follow after Jesus Christ. Would
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these types of people will be left behinders ir unbelievers?
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MRH says:
June 19, 2014 at 1:50 am
STL: There are but two spiritual classes of people; believers, unbelievers. All believers will be
raptured, and all unbelievers will remain on earth. And only we and God know our hearts,
whom are and are not his children. Those outside God dont love him, and those within do love
him. Anyway, thats my take on things in a nutshell, bedtime calls now
P.S. I believe that God will use the church to powerfully witness unto the Jews and others
during tribulation (like now, only intensiied then). Also 3.5 years is not all that short a time to
accomplish much witnessing for Gods sake
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STL says:
June 19, 2014 at 1:46 am
MRH: Explain to Mary that there is only one mediator between God and man, which is Jesus Christ.
But the Pope believes he is the mediator between God and mankind.
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MRH says:
June 19, 2014 at 1:55 am
STL: Why dont you do it, explain holy situation? Ive done enough posting for the night.. movie
time then bedtime
P.S. The false prophet proclaims to be God, not just the mediator
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STL says:
June 19, 2014 at 2:06 am
But do do it so much better than I can.
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MRH says:
June 19, 2014 at 7:05 pm
STL: I think Mary has long departed or lost interest in this older blog, and so no
point posting on her behalf
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STL says:
June 19, 2014 at 2:04 am
MRH: AGAIN I ASK OF YOU, HOW MANY PROCLAIM THERE CHRISTIANS AND THE ACTIONS
PROVES DIFFERENTLY?
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Brenda Murphy says:
June 19, 2014 at 1:32 pm
LOL, good one.Larue!
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STL says:
June 19, 2014 at 2:10 pm
MRH: At least I can say that Ron and Brenda Murphy are true to one thing as they stay true to their
beliefs as Post-Tribbers. But you jump from one belief to another, faster than I take a breath of fresh
air!
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MRH says:
June 19, 2014 at 7:01 pm
STL: No, my faith is the same, just that my perspective has slightly changed.. with new
revelations
P.S. I dont follow the lock, I follow what I believe
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STL says:
June 19, 2014 at 2:25 pm
DAN: WHAT DIFFERENCES WE HAVE HAD, I DO AGREE WITH YOU WE WILL BOTH BE IN HEAVEN
BEFORE THE TRIBULATION BEGINS, AS WE BOTH WILL BE AT THE BRIDES SUPPPER, WHEN THE
POST-TRIBBERS WILL BE SUFFER THE WORSE HORRIBLE TIME IN THEIR LIVES IN THE
TRIBULATION, NOT JUST SUFFER UNDER SATAN TRYING TO BEHEAD THEM BUT FROM GODS
WRATH OF THIS PLANET EARTH, IN MAJOR EARTHQUAKES, RELINEMENT OF CONTINENTS,
SUPER STORMS, REVERSAL OF THE POLES, AND ASTERIODS HITTING THE EARTH, A MINI ICE AGE,
VIRUS FROM CHEMICAL AGENTS FROM U.S. ARMY CHEMICAL WEAPONS STOCKPILES AND SO ON!
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Dan says:
June 19, 2014 at 2:41 pm
No Steve I believe even they will come with us. We will all ind out who was right ,but it will
matter little because we are all part of the church; every wretched one of us. And what a
motley crew we will be sitting there with him! But, because of him we are all worthy!
I dont believe the mid and post Tribers will be too mad for getting to eat and drink early!
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STL says:
June 19, 2014 at 2:49 pm
DAN: Remember the gate is narrow into Gods kingdom!
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Dan says:
June 19, 2014 at 3:43 pm
Brother LaRue the only thing religion has done is divide us.
I refuse to believe an interpretation that excludes anyone that sincerely believes in
him. Today we are thought to be ignorant because of this. We may even be here
long enough to see real serious discrimination towards Christians. So hold fast my
brother in the belief of a narrow gate because G-d plans on itting a Church
through it!
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MRH says:
June 19, 2014 at 5:04 pm
STL: The gate is only as narrow as our faith is
Tip: Jesus was addressing the masses, not unto the disciples in his many parables
Mat 7:13-14 KJV Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is
the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and
few there be that ind it.
Luk 8:9-10 KJV And his disciples asked him, saying, What might this parable be?
And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but
to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might
not understand.
P.S. All believers enter the narrow gate, and all unbelievers enter the wide gate..
simple as that
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Brenda Murphy says:
June 19, 2014 at 2:59 pm
We will be going home before you, if we get our heads chopped off!
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Dan says:
June 19, 2014 at 3:52 pm
(Laughing) Thats the spirit Brenda! Imagine that! Being put to the test of believing
by dying.
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Brenda Murphy says:
June 19, 2014 at 4:08 pm
Yes, but its NO laughing matter, it will happen, regardless of whether you
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I am bound and determined to die for my Lord, if I have to. Nobody wants to
die, but this old body is going to wear out some day..and Id rather go out in
a blaze of glory! LOL, now Im laughing, cause Ill be reigning with Christ, if I
do!
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was
given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the
witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the
beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads,
or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Brenda Murphy says:
June 19, 2014 at 4:16 pm
There are martyrs being put to death as we speak.IMAGINE THATfor
their beliefs!
MRH says:
June 19, 2014 at 4:43 pm
The tribulation martyrs of today are not the same as tomorrows wrath martyrs
P.S. We are still under grace till rapture prevail, whether we die as martyrs, illness,
or simply of old age, all we true believers will be with Christ at his judgment seat
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Brenda Murphy says:
June 19, 2014 at 5:05 pm
A martyr is a martyr, Markno matter when they die!
MRH says:
June 19, 2014 at 5:29 pm
A martyr is a martyr, Markno matter when they die!
@Brenda: No, Im afraid not. A martyr of today is not under beast rule. There
is no mark to avoid yet. And if you think getting a chip implant now would
seal your eternal fate today, then you are quite deluded. At present there is
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no global enslavement system in place, but it is indeed under development
and undergoing varied testing nonetheless
P.S. When the beast inally reigns, then will the mark be enforced, and the
mass beheading plan will follow
Brenda Murphy says:
June 19, 2014 at 5:47 pm
I know the beast has to come, for the chip to be mandated, and yes,there will
be many beheaded, but still, the martyrs that have died thru-out the years,
and now, this day, will reign with Christ, as they are not denying His Name.
They will rule and reign as kings and priests upon he earth, in the millennial
reign, also.
MRH says:
June 19, 2014 at 6:57 pm
They will rule and reign as kings and priests upon he earth, in the millennial
reign, also
@Brenda: All resurrected believers from Adam onward will reign with Christ
in the millennium. No unbelievers will be present, as they are resurrected
afterwards
2Ti 2:12 KJV If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he
also will deny us:
Brenda Murphy says:
June 19, 2014 at 7:30 pm
If we suffer with him, we will reign with him, so you are planning on
suffering in the trib, right, Mark?
MRH says:
June 19, 2014 at 7:52 pm
If we suffer with him, we will reign with him, so you are planning on
suffering in the trib, right, Mark?
@Brenda: All believers suffer persecution, else-wise NTEB and such would
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need not exist
Rom 8:35 KJV Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall
tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or
sword?
2Ti 3:12 KJV Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer
persecution.
P.S. I dont know regarding tribulation suffering, but Im sure there will be
much persecution in varied locations around the world, and especially in the
holy land
But Im not planning to travel where hell on earth prevails, as I am bound
here in my happy hole in the wall for now
STL says:
June 19, 2014 at 2:52 pm
DAN. ON ANOTHER NOTE: I REALLY BELIEVE THIS IS THE DAYS OF NOAH, I NEVER WOULD
BELIEVE BEING A VETERAN OF WAR, THAT THE VA WOULD GET CAUGHT DECIEVING THE
VETERANS? IT SEEMS THINGS ARE GETTING BETTER FOR THE VETERANS, BUT ITS A TRICK TO
GET US IN HARMONY IN OUR BELIEF THINGS WILL GET BETTER FOR US.
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Ron Murphy says:
June 19, 2014 at 3:21 pm
Take heart, STL, things will get much better after tribulation. That is the brightness of the new
day, our inheritance. Then shall we forever be with the Lord.
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Ron Murphy says:
June 19, 2014 at 3:22 pm
That is my blessed hope!
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MRH says:
June 19, 2014 at 4:51 pm
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I REALLY BELIEVE THIS IS THE DAYS OF NOAH
STL: We were all born into those vile days, its biblically called the last days, or last time. And
its been getting gradually worse since the clock began to count down on Pentecost. But we
still arent at the edge yet, just mighty close by the endless lood of end time signs
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STL says:
June 19, 2014 at 5:11 pm
DAN: Ron Murphy is right about that true christians will have to go throught tribulation(s) but we
will not have to enter the awful period of the 7 years of sorrows for the unrighteous and church
going idiots that believes in their religion than our living God, Jesus Christ.
One of our tribulations will be coming in Oct. 2014 when gasoline at the pump will be $ 8.00 dollars,
that will cause alot of pain for christians to deal with daily life. Why would I say that? Because of the
fear in Irak Oil, their number 2 producers in the OPEC, and now U.S. Congress will double gas tax to
repair the roads in the USA.
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MRH says:
June 19, 2014 at 7:07 pm
One of our tribulations will be coming in Oct. 2014 when gasoline at the pump will be $ 8.00
dollars, that will cause alot of pain for christians to deal with daily life
@STL: We shall see if your above wild prediction prevails or not
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STL says:
June 19, 2014 at 7:12 pm
MRH: I did not make the wild perdition, it was done by OPEC through Fox News today,
that right you do not watch the news?
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MRH says:
June 19, 2014 at 7:38 pm
STL: Yes I know that, I just was being cute
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P.S. I dont drive too much at least, so rarely need to gas car. Even so, time will tell
in matters. Lots of predictions abroad, and not all prevail.
True, I dont watch Fox News, but Im subscribed to Washington Times online.
However I havent had a chance to go through the big pile Ive been collecting
lately. And now NTEB is starting to pile up again.. never ending news insanity
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STL says:
June 19, 2014 at 5:25 pm
DAN: I CONTINUE TO HEAR BRENDA SPEECHES ABOUT THE TRIBULATION PERIOD AS IT WAS A
WALK IN THE PARK. THESE SORROWS THAT ARE COMING ON THE WORLD POPULATION IS NO
CAKE WALK. FOR BEING A WOMAN, THEY WILL ENDURE THE MOST TERIBLE TIMES IN THEIR
LIVES, PUTTING SO MUCH STRESS ON THEIR BELIEFS IN GOD, ONE PERSON CAN NOT ENDURE
THOSE TYPE OF PRESSURES.
LOOK AT THE WAR VETERANS THAT ENDURED WAR, THEY CALL IT PTSD WAR TRAUMAS, AND
40% OF THOSE RETURNING VETERANS ARE COMMITTING SUICIDE.
AGAIN HOW DO PEOPLE LIKE BRENDA GOING TO SAY THEY ARE GOING TO STAY STRONG IN
THEIR BELIEFS IN JESUS CHRIST, MOST WILL FAIL AND FALL TO SATAN, AND THEY WILL KNOW
EXACTLY WHAT THEIR DOING TO THEMSELVES, BUT THE EMOTIONAL PAIN WILL BE
UNBEARABLE TO DEAL WITH, THEN WE HAVE GODS WRATH THAT WE NEED TO DEAL WITH AS
THE PLANET WILL GO NUTS, WITH SUPER EARTHQUAKE, VOLCANOES ERUPTING, ASTERIOD
ATTACKS, CHEMICAL AGENTS, ICE AGE, AND VERY LITTLE FOOD TO EAT, NO ELECTRIC TO COOK
WITH, VERY LITTLE WATER.
THE AMERICAN SINCE THE 1950S HAVE LIVE THE GOOD LIFE, BUT THAT WILL NOT CONTINUE
ANYMORE.
SO YES, AS TRUE CHRISTIANS, WE WILL ENDURE TRIBULATIONS.
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Brenda Murphy says:
June 19, 2014 at 5:41 pm
STL,
I have had my share of tribulations, my irst husband died of cancer, but before that, I had to
help him build my own house, or we wouldnt have had anything to live in. (Its small , but
cozy.)
But nonetheless, it was hard to do.
I am not rich, we barely keep our heads above water, as Ron has told you many times. We do
not receive government help.
But, God has brought me thru, and is still bringing us thru.
Thats where you have to put your trust in Him, when the going gets tough, that is our test
Onlyit will be harder in the great tribulation, that will be the real test of faith, but with Christ
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living in ushe said that he would keep us from the hour of temptationthat means we will
not take the mark, unlike others, that do not have Christ.and the truth, in their hearts. He is
able to keep us, or the blood is of no effect, so which is it?
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STL says:
June 19, 2014 at 5:49 pm
Brenda: You have seen nothing yet, the last 50 years or so been a walk in the park. You can not even
think what it will be, being hunted down as a pack of dogs biting at your heels. As my 5 tours in
Vietnam was a drop in the bucket compare to when the Antichrist comes to power!
You can say what ever to yourself, but until you confront your worse hells in life, then Ill believe
you?
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Brenda Murphy says:
June 19, 2014 at 6:00 pm
I think you are one of my worst hells in life, lol.
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STL says:
June 19, 2014 at 6:39 pm
Brenda: so you have a problem with someone stating the truth to you?
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Brenda Murphy says:
June 19, 2014 at 7:25 pm
You dont no the truth from your fox hole in the ground.
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STL says:
June 19, 2014 at 7:35 pm
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At least I know when to keep my head down in the fox hole, but in your case
it in your ass!
STL says:
June 19, 2014 at 6:42 pm
Brenda: How can you stating to Dan that hes not facing the truth and you are not facing the truth
yourself1
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STL says:
June 19, 2014 at 6:49 pm
Brenda; Why are you attacking Mark, and as you attack most people on this web site, who made you
the Prophet of this web site? Do not you know God said, its not your place as a woman to voice your
opinions against man? But Satan want you so hardly to spread his hate for mankind, to use you to do
that against man?
And you call yourself a Christian, but you make statements as of your the worest hell in life then you
joke about it against me, as of LOL. And your a follower after Jesus Christ, but by your sppech your
following after Satan?
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Brenda Murphy says:
June 19, 2014 at 7:23 pm
Keep it up, STL, more stars in my crown.
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STL says:
June 19, 2014 at 7:32 pm
Brenda: Do you really think your getting a crown, who presenting the crown to you?
Satan?
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STL says:
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Brenda See your lost already as you think your getting stars in your crown, but its
rewards from Jesus Christ, has nothing to do with crowns. Maybe you been listening to
Satan he has you confused!
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Brenda Murphy says:
June 19, 2014 at 7:27 pm
I didnt attack Mark, there you go again, cant stand the truth, so you start twisting things, oh
well, same ole Larue. Shouldve known.
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STL says:
June 19, 2014 at 7:34 pm
Brenda: You do not know much of anything?
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Brenda Murphy says:
June 20, 2014 at 1:33 am
I only know that I love my Lord Jesus Christ.and he loves me.
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Brenda Murphy says:
June 20, 2014 at 1:35 am
Joh 15:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
Joh 15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every
branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
Joh 15:3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
Joh 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except
it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the
same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Joh 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and
men gather them, and cast them into the ire, and they are burned.
Joh 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will,
and it shall be done unto you.
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Joh 15:8 Herein is my Father gloriied, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my
disciples.
Joh 15:9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have
kept my Fathers commandments, and abide in his love.
Joh 15:11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you,
and that your joy might be full.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
Joh 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his
friends.
Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his
lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my
Father I have made known unto you.
Joh 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye
should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever
ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
Joh 15:17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.
Joh 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
Joh 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are
not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth
you.
Joh 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than
his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept
my saying, they will keep yours also.
Joh 15:21 But all these things will they do unto you for my names sake, because
they know not him that sent me.
Joh 15:22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now
they have no cloke for their sin.
Joh 15:23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also.
Joh 15:24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they
had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.
Joh 15:25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulilled that is written in
their law, They hated me without a cause.
Joh 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the
Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify
of me:
Joh 15:27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the
beginning.
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MRH says:
June 19, 2014 at 7:28 pm
STL: No worries brother, as her attacks dont hurt, they just annoy me. In any case, as long as
she persists in error, her future rewards bucket will remain empty. There are absolutely no
rewards given for haplessly judging and accusing and condemning others.. without just cause
But there will be rewards heaped unto those whom are respectful and kind to others :):)
Mat 16:27 KJV For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and
then he shall reward every man according to his works.
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1Co 3:8, 13-14 KJV Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall
receive his own reward according to his own labour. Every mans work shall be made
manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by ire; and the ire shall try
every mans work of what sort it is. If any mans work abide which he hath built
thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
Rev 22:12 KJV And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man
according as his work shall be.
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STL says:
June 19, 2014 at 8:00 pm
Brenda: So you do not think people are suffering enough, until they enter the Tribulation Period.
What about the lady who was a muslim converted to Christianity, then her boys and husband was
beheaded just lately, to get her to change back being muslim, her statement, I forgive you. Is that
enough suffering in our world of today?
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MRH says:
June 19, 2014 at 8:32 pm
What about the lady who was a muslim converted to Christianity, then her boys and husband
was beheaded just lately, to get her to change back being muslim
@STL: I presume her family also converted to Christianity? Anyway, its simply called
persecution by the bible. And as I recall, all of the twelve apostles including Paul ended up as
faithful martyrs?
P.S. A devout Muslim can convert to Christianity, however a devout Christian cant revert or
convert else-wise. For once the Spirit is indwelt (sealed within us), it cant be removed period
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Brenda Murphy says:
June 20, 2014 at 1:39 am
Its not up to me, to make people suffer, STLsatan does a good job, all by himself. I dont want
anyone to have to suffer, but the great tribulation cannot be avoided, unless we die before it
starts.
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Dan says:
June 20, 2014 at 8:44 am
I left a really good message here ! I wish it would have gone through!
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CrissCross says:
June 22, 2014 at 11:00 am
Apart from the BIBLE, you should also have a glance at these!!! Something is being kept hidden from
us purposefully
1. The Greatest Mystery Of The Modern Era
http://dublinsmick.wordpress.com/2013/10/21/hercolubus-the-greatest-mystery-of-the-
modern-era/
2. Comet-Planet Identiied, Orbital Trajectory Veriied by Renowned Astronomer
http://cosmicconvergence.org/?p=7478
3. Former NASA And Bell Lab Specialist Warns Of Second Sun And Earthquakes
https://dublinsmick.wordpress.com/2013/08/07/pattie-l-brassard-former-nasa-and-bell-lab-
specialist-warns-of-second-sun-and-earthquakes/
Just wanted to share
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CrissCross says:
June 22, 2014 at 12:23 pm
Prophecy Is Uttered To Avert Catastrophe, NOT Predict It
http://cosmicconvergence.org/?p=6879
The Government-Corporate Complex Takes Complete Control Of The USA
http://cosmicconvergence.org/?p=6321
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Dan says:
June 22, 2014 at 9:12 pm
I good friend of mine Harold Timmins went to be with our father in heaven tonight. Happy trails
my friend!!
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Blessings
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chris M says:
June 25, 2014 at 12:09 am
This pope is a jesuit.
To be a jesuit , he would have HAD to swear the jesuit oath.
This is the jesuit oath http://www.reformation.org/jesuit-oath.html
For those who dont want to click the link , here is an excerpt , and please , bear in mind , that that
little old man in white , running round talking about peace and uniting the churches SAID this ,
otherwise he would NOT be a jesuit.
I furthermore promise and declare that I will, when opportunity present, make and wage relentless
war, secretly or openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Liberals, as I am directed to do, to
extirpate and exterminate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age,
sex or condition; and that I will hang, waste, boil, lay, strangle and bury alive these infamous
heretics, rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women and crush their infants heads against the
walls, in order to annihilate forever their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done openly,
I will secretly use the poisoned cup, the strangulating cord, the steel of the poniard or the leaden
bullet, regardless of the honor, rank, dignity, or authority of the person or persons, whatever may be
their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed so to do by any agent
of the Pope or Superior of the Brotherhood of the Holy Faith, of the Society of Jesus.
Do not be deceived.
The word in the bible antichrist is our english translation of the greek word antechristos. Our
word ANTI ( against ) is not the same word as the greek word ANTE which means instead of and
the pope claims to be in Christs stead.in His stead ( vicar of Christ )
There is no other organization on the face of this planet that has 7 hills , has had 7 kings ( from
romulus ), as purple and scarlet as its favourite colours , and is drunk with the blood of the saints (
the crusades , the spanish inquisition , the protestant reformation , and othersthe vatican has
killed at LEAST..50 MILLION )
The mystery babylon mother of harlots and abominations of the earth in Revelation 17 can ONLY
be talking about the roman catholic / vatican system.
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Sunny says:
June 25, 2014 at 1:38 am
Count as many Antichrists (as MOST in the world understands/believes) as you can from this
website
http://www.remnantofgod.org/rccsex.htm
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MRH says:
June 25, 2014 at 2:11 am
The mystery babylon mother of harlots and abominations of the earth in Revelation 17 can
ONLY be talking about the roman catholic / vatican system.
antichristos = the adversary of the Messiah
http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=G500&t=KJV
P.S. Mystery Babylon is much more than the mere Vatican system, although latter indeed forms
a large part of the end time mystery global trio system
http://aeroventure.com/REVELATION/MYSTERY-BABYLON.htm
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