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Samer Zawaydeh
Civil Engineering
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21.4 years planning
Jordan
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The conditions of contracts in Jordan are based on FIDIC. Several BOQs are prepared as
you discribed with a X amount for X works. This is part of the scope. It is not detailed, but
defined. The time necessary to complete this scope has to be part of the Schedule,
otherwise the Schedule wouldnt be complete. The Contractor will define the start and end
dates and the Engineer will approve it. Subsequently, if the design drawings (activity needed
to complete the works) is delayed, then the Contractor has to issue a notice to the Engineer.
Once the design drawings (and BOQs) are issued, the Contractor will do the necessary
execution drawings for approval and submit a revised impacted schedule (if necessary).
Unless the Conditions of Contract states clearly that the X works will be given extra time to
complete, it is considered within the duration of the contract.
Dear Shahul,
It is great that you have an approved program. You can start with the delay event which
should be at the start of the project. You have several Electrical systems. You need to
identify what has changed and when, and what was the effect of the 1st, 2nd and 3rd fix.
You need to read the provisional sum clause and check what has changed. Usually, the design
is not complete at the time of signing the contract, but the BOQ item cost is fixed.
Therefore, if the new scope did not change, but the new design is calling for more material
that will cost more; then you need to ask for a Change Order.
With kind regards,
Samer
26 Feb 2010, 14:52
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Shahul Badhusha
Building Works
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2.2 years planning
United Arab Emirates
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Richard Spedding
Railway Construction
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28.1 years planning
West Midlands
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If the client then issues an instruction to expend this provisional sum 6 weeks from the end
of the contract, and it is a specialist installation, the contractor is entitled to an EOT.
I appreciate that it is quite different in Civil Engineering. Dont shoot the messenger, am
highlighting that buildingcan be much different from your experiene in Civil Engineering. I
dont write the contracts or tenders, I just have to build the building for the client, and
pick up the pieces that are left.
26 Feb 2010, 11:49
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Samer Zawaydeh
Civil Engineering
Member since Aug 2008
21.4 years planning
Jordan
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Lets say that you have 50,000$ for X works. The Contractor must include in his program of
works the activities (including resources and material) to complete works worth $50,000. If
it is part of the project, then it is part of the scope, cost, time.
If you are saying that you have come accross a Contract with a provisional sum of
unidentified nature, then this should have not be spelled out in the original contract.
Because you cant logically complete something of an unidentified nature, especially in
construction. It should be issued later when it is specified as a change order for extra
works.
With kind regards,
Samer
26 Feb 2010, 11:30
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Richard Spedding
Railway Construction
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West Midlands
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Shahul Badhusha
Building Works
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Samer Zawaydeh
Civil Engineering
Member since Aug 2008
21.4 years planning
Jordan
All project deliverables are transformed into activities in a Schedule. Any activity can delay
the Finish Date if it is not completed, and if it becomes critical.
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Your model has to be correct, and conforms to the Condition of Contract, etc.
With kind regards,
Samer
23 Feb 2010, 19:40
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Raviraj Bhedase
Civil Engineering
Member since May 2007
10.8 years planning
yes,
Provisional sum works are part and parcel of Clause 14 program. If instructions are delayed
by client, then he has right to claim that.
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Shahul Badhusha
Building Works
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2.2 years planning
Hi to all
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Could provisional sum which is dragging the project finish date used as delay event?
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Provisional Sum As Delay Event ( 29 posts )
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Shahul Badhusha
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Samer Zawaydeh
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02 Mar 2010, 10:49
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Rafael Davila
Civil Engineering
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To all,
We call Provisional Sum an Allowance and is a very common practice. It is part of the
scope of work and part of the Contract. Government uses this for purpose of funds
allocation. The most common allowances are for fees for work to be done or subcontracted
by utilities such as the Electric Power Authority. Also other portions of work to be done by
the contractor are included.
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We are required to consider within the CPM our scheduling of the Allowance based on a
reasonable estimate of the activities with the available data at time of bidding. In the
schedule we include an activity for the release of the allowance by the Owner, an activity of
his responsibility similar to the evaluation of submittals. The schedule is evaluated and after
approval the Owner is accepting the assumptions.
Latter on when the Allowance is released the contract amount and duration is adjusted if
need be. If it results the assumptions were wrong an adjustment to the schedule is in order
and applicable EOT plus adjustments in costs will be granted, or at times disputed in court,
though very rarely.
In this way the Owner and the Contractor are always aware that an Allowance is pending
and that it might affect the schedule.
If it becomes critical then it puts some pressure on the Owner as it might be delaying other
defined activities under the contract. The Contractor is entitled to make plans with the
reasonable assumptions, it might even create available float for the use of the Contractor.
So it is included on our schedules but does not relieve the Owner of his responsibilities.
Best regards,
Rafael
26 Feb 2010, 20:44
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Samer Zawaydeh
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Richard Spedding
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It appears that the claim is due to an exceptional increase in electrical works, as a result of
changes in the Engineers design, in conjunction with statutory authority requirements. In
the past if quantities changed by an exceptional amount (which used to be considered to be
either + or - 15% or of that order) then the time available for that element of the works
could be varied. If it happened that that element of the works was on the critical path of
the project, then an EOT would be granted. If not then at the least the rate for the element
of the work was subject to review.
In any case, if the quantity or quality of the works change due to statutory authority
changed requirements, then that is a clear varaition, I believe.
26 Feb 2010, 19:34
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Samer Zawaydeh
Civil Engineering
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21.4 years planning
Jordan
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I agree with you to some extent. It all depends on the wording of the Condition of Contract.
But I would have to state that usually the provisional sum item are small amounts. And in
most cases are not critical activities.
But Contractually, if the contract is issued without the provisional sum amount included in
the total price, then it will be dealt with as a variation order as per the recommendations in
clause (a) above. If on the other hand, the total amount of the Contract includes the
provisional sum, then it is included within the duration of the Contact. Unless it clearly
states otherwise.
If the provisional sum amount is changed, then the Contractor can ask for a variation order
as well.
With kind regards,
Samer
26 Feb 2010, 19:32
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Samer Zawaydeh
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The whole question of this thread is to determine if it is a delay event or not when you
know exactly what you have to do. The answer is that is depends. If the cost is within the
amount specified and the scope did not change (For example:Aluminum works, contained only
Aluminum), then you need to complete all the works within the original contact duration.
With kind regards,
Samer
21 Mar 2010, 17:28
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Shahul Badhusha
Building Works
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mai t.
Civil Engineering
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8.8 years planning
United Arab Emirates
Dear Samir :
What am agreeing that the P.S. usually not detailed in BoQ but the changing should be
effected in completion date and the value (cost / time ) to be studied for time should be
reflecting into CP to figure out the much of time contractor shall be entitled for ,
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regards.
21 Mar 2010, 11:15
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Samer Zawaydeh
Civil Engineering
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21.4 years planning
Jordan
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Each Contract has Conditions of Contract and a BOQ. In case you have a Provisional Sum
item, it is part of the Contract and you have to complete it within the Contract duration.
The amount of the provisional sum is the cost. If that amount exceeds the amount stated in
the BOQ, then you have a "Change Order-cost" and only then. If on the other hand the
desciption (scope) of the Provisional Sum has changed depending on the request of the
owner, then you have a "Change order-scope", and you can submit your analysis for its
impact and ask for revised money and time.
With kind regards,
Samer
21 Mar 2010, 10:49
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mai t.
Civil Engineering
Member since Mar 2010
8.8 years planning
United Arab Emirates
P.S. It isnt under main contractor duties to give programme but should be under the
subcontractor duties to issue the pro. which will be assigned by employer to give time frame
and should be acceptable through the main contractor even the main contractor should give
dates as finish or start milestones might the works required civil attendance of some site
clearance and all together have implication cost and time in case of omission or addition .
So I agree with u might be non- acknowledgeable but the impact must be.
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My dear Richard :
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Samer Zawaydeh
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Shahul Badhusha
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Hi Samer
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