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Societys Five Stages of Economic

Collapse
David Meyer
February 28th, 2012
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Society as we know it will break down and collapse in a five stage process
outlined here. While it can be accelerated by certain events like war, a natural
disaster, pandemic, terrorist attack, or even an impending asteroid impact, history
has shown that economic collapse will essentially happen in this five stage
process. To survive the collapse, it is important to read and interpret the signs and
understand what assets are important to the current situation so you can be
prepared for the worst thereby allowing you to survive intact and with as little
damage as possible.
STAGE 1. The Decay Begins
Everything is good and the economy is thriving. A high standard of living has
been achieved. This is the way things should be. Goods are cheap and readily
available. Everything seems to be in abundance. Stores are filled with retail items
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STAGE 2. The Slippery Slope

The economy goes into a slow but steadily increasing decline. Unemployment is
on the rise. Ever increasing numbers of people receive government assistance in
one form or another. People are paid not to work. Government spending has
increased dramatically. The price of gold, silver, and other precious metals rise to
prices unheard of just a few years earlier. Inflation reaches the double digit levels.
Primary Assets:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
Cash
Precious Metals, Gold and Silver coins
Job Stability
Elimination of debt
Health Insurance
Home Equity
Automobile with good MPG
Acquiring secluded land more than 40 miles from densely populated areas
STAGE 3. It is Going to Get Worse

The total collapse of the economy begins after a significant and prolonged decline.
The government implements price controls. Shortages on essential goods become
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widespread. Foreclosed houses sit vacant and deteriorating by the tens of

thousands. Middle class neighborhoods begin to look like slums. The government
begins to print currency to pay its bills and support the tens of millions on public
assistance. Inflation increases even more and unemployment exceeds 25%. Banks
and businesses fail at ever increasing rates. Nobody seems to have any money.
Many are now homeless. Labor unions instigate strikes, civil unrest, and large
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STAGE 4. The Grab for Power

The collapse can transition to this stage at any time after Stage 3. Most of the
middle class have lost everything. What used to be well manicured middle class
neighborhoods are filled with the carcasses of empty houses damaged and
destroyed by vandals. The nations infrastructure has been seriously neglected and
is in need of a major overhaul. The power grid becomes unreliable. Rolling
blackouts are a daily occurrence. You can no longer buy or sell gold or own
foreign currency. Inflation is out of control. Now the economy collapses. There is
a rush for everything and the shelves go empty in a matter of hours. Society falls
into chaos. The control of urban areas shifts when violent gangs takeover control
of the streets and urban neighborhoods. The government issues restrictive
measures in an attempt to control the economy. Everything is in short supply and
heavily rationed. Food and gasoline is very expensive and there are very long lines
to get them when they are available. Affordable quality health care is non-existent
and your job is a distant memory. You will do without what you are unable to
provide for yourself. You will discover what it is to live in a third world country.
Primary Assets:
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2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
Relocation to the rural hideaway

Firearms and ammo
Long term food supplies (1 year minimum)
Adequate fuel stores
Security plan to protect the group and assets
Trained dog for security
A working knowledge of survival gardening
Once all of the above has come to pass, the realization of the current
circumstances at this moment must be all too obvious. It is too late to prepare at
this point. What you did not acquire earlier, you are not going to possess
now. Anything of value necessary for your survival has already been claimed.
The situation gets worse much worse.
Stage 5 is next and it is not pretty.
STAGE 5. Freedom, Liberty, and Independence is

Lost
The government implements martial law. Fighting between civilians and
government forces break out nationwide. Maintaining more than a 30 day supply
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water and shelter in exchange for your Freedom, Liberty, and Independence.
Democracy ends and a Socialist form of government takes over under the guise of
fixing societys problems with the false promise that peace and prosperity will
return better than it was just a few years ago. A Totalitarian regime assumes
power and the individual freedoms and liberties once enjoyed by the people are
completely eliminated.
Primary Assets:
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3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
Rural Hideaway
Security plan to protect the group and assets
Living below the radar in a community of like minded people
Firearms and the ability to use them
Guard dog for security
A working and producing garden capable of feeding 150% of the group
A stable supply of clean water
Vegetable seeds for long term food production and barter
The will to live and survive in a harsh political climate
As you can see, priorities change as the world changes. Your most prized assets of
today your good credit, luxury automobile, and career are no longer important
after the economy collapses.
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gas will definately speed things up. I
live in a small town about 30 miles
from charlotte, where the DNC will be
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1. HF says:
February 28, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Sadly, America is done. As Bugs Bunny said, Thats all folks.
Semper Fi
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Dr Feelgroove says:
I think that was Porky Pig. Bugs was famous for Whats up doc?
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HF says:
That could very well be thanks. And if Porky is still around
after SHTF, Ill just call him breakfast
Semper Fi
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cyrus says:
They are both edible, it is just Porky has more fat and
Bugs has more protein. You have to have a balance
though. I know a man who used to feed his dogs nothing
but rabbits until 2 of them died. All protein and not fat
makes Sparky a dead dog.
Claymation says:
Thats funny, My brothers father in law just bought three
pigs at the auction last week. When my wife saw them
she asked him what he named them with missing a beat
he said while pointing to eack Thats Breakfast, hes
Lunch and she is Dinner! Nice one HF!
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Prepared Pastor says:
The number one excuse I hear for not being ready and although that
may be valid for the young or disabled, upon further discussion I
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almost always find a lifestyle of living between ones means is the

real reason.
For about the cost of the new model of my 1980s diesel 4X4, I have
been able to accumulate almost everything on the latter lists (my
garden is not to 150% and we had to put the dog to sleep) despite
being unemployed for most of the last four years.
1) By working slowly, I was able to look for good deals on everything
from canning supplies to materials for my solar cabin using
Craigslist, The Habitat for Humanity Restore & Freecycle. 2)
Someone middle-age like me who invested just $1 a day during their
working life has about $40,000 to work with which is much more
than I spent.
Its too late to do what I did, but if one acts today they can still get
ready unless they have literally spent every dime they ever earned:
1. Sell all the crap you bought for what you can
2. Sell/trade that car for an old but reliable truck
3. Cash out your retirement plan and take the penalty. If still
employed and cannot cash out, borrow the maximum out for the
maximum term and buy cheap land (see my videos) where they
already heat with wood, garden, and hunt deer.
4. Max out your credit cards for provisions and make the minimum
payment.
5. Start building food storage. You can rotate out a three-year supply
in seven years be eating nine meals a week from storage.
6. Buy guns and ammo with emphasis on ammo. The guy with two
guns and no ammo will trade one gun to make his other work again.
7. Build a small cabin (if you know how) or find a camper without a
title cheap on Craigslist and move it to your property. Rural Craigslist
areas are full of wood stoves.
8. Although drinking water from rainwater collection systems must be
filtered or treated, they are a lot cheaper than a well and outhouses are
cheap to build.
9. Make sure you have everything necessary to cultivate, grow, and
preserve a garden. Everything from my tiller to pressure canners came
from Craiglist. Canning jars were free on Freecycle.
10. Only when these bases were covered did I buy Silver Eagles for
AFTER the crises.
Im not just talking out of thin air. Three years ago I liquidated
everything and allocated $10K each to land/cabin,
equipment/provisions, and precious metals. Now it is worth $50K and
I can sleep when the wind blows.
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mike says:
About ammo. Bought some today and for mine went up about
25%, has anyone else noticed this?
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mike says:
My mistake only went up 10%.
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MaximusFubaris says:
Wouldnt it be smarter to also buy a reloading ammo kit,
gunpowder and lead? And have some wooden spears,
rocks and a bow-and-arrow for backup?
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Mal Reynolds says:

Ammo is heavy, demand is still at all time highs, and
Obamas making sure we all pay through the nose for
gas Im thankful its only up 10%
Mal
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KY Mom says:
Lots of good suggestions!
Thanks!
KY Mom
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Montana Mike says:
February 29, 2012 at 12:29 am
WHAT IN THE HELL!! How can anyone put thumbs
down to her simple comment on P..P post?? (MM)
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Watch and Wait says:

Like what you said. Just a though on one point though. **hunt
deer** As part of your preparation, would it be a better idea to
NOT hunt deer? Im just thinking along the sustainable lines
here. If you have a few deer in your area (other game, wildlife
included) and you are already competing with others in your
area for game, then would it not be a better idea to allow dear
numbers in your area to expand as much as possible, so when
the SHTF for real, you have a plentiful supply of game to hunt,
for longer? Rather than deplete the numbers now?
The longer game numbers hold out, beyond what you can grow
and collect now, the better, right?
Sure, some areas have a very plentiful supply of deer/elk
numbers ect and its not a problem. But in some areas game
numbers are limited already.
Just a though for some to ponder.
Prepping isnt just about gathering up edibles and supplies. Its
about managing and protecting the resources in your area so
they are there for when you really need them.
Pryor Planning and Prepperation, Prevents a Piss Poor
Performance .. The seven Ps that every prepper should
know off by heart.
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laura m. says:
P. Pastor: I agree, also ammo will be highly valuable. Years
back, during the y2k scare, I knew several couples who were
hard core preppers that knew this country would collapse in the
future, if not during y2k. Anyway, mostly all now deceased,
some in nursing homes. Their preps were sold/thrown
out/donated. Were now retired drawing a monthly 401k check
(just started) to live on. If we pulled it all out, Id have a tax
penalty on 200,000 dollars. We dont prep as much now as
back then. Spouse refuses to leave the city; once were out of
town then moved back. I do believe in selling off stuff we
really dont need and downsizing our life styles. Collapse was
predicted in the 80s, (books were then sold) and its now 2012.
Many have burned out on prepping or are in limbo. Some did
all this in vain.
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Be prepared says:
I wouldnt consider peace of mind to be in vain.Lots of
people dont make it to retirement, but that doesnt mean
we shouldnt prepare for it.
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Montana Mike says:

I like you well thought out list. You will get posts from those
who will disagree or even argue; You have to get one thru ten
under your belt before you work on number ten. Just MHO!.
TKS PP.(MM)
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Stages of Collapse says:
Read the following article, its very important:
Stages of Collapse:
There are two stages to the end of the world.The first stage is called
stage one. This is the stage where people work and everything is good
because they have mad money and buy a bunch of stuff. They are also
pumped up because they get to get things they want. The key
emphasis here is on spending mad cheddar. Right now I would guess
we are experiencing stage 1 but if we are not careful we could slip
into stage two:
Stage 2: The second stage of collapse is called stage two. This stage is
where the world collapses. This is when people dont have mad
money or stuff anymore and it really sucks. Then they get all mad and
they start fighting over food and water yo. The signals you must look
our for to determine if we are in stage two is I will tell you on the
website. Usually I will make a post like saying something like how its
gonna collapse. Then the next day I will say something similar. I will
keep this up for an uncertain amount of time to get some page views.
Most common sign of stage two is it is right around the corner and
most certainly going to happen. Spend all your money, now is the
time to be worried, while we still have time.
Once stage two starts the people wont know what happend. The
educated on this site will recognize stage two by these distinct signs:
1. A dog will bark outside
2. A bird will chirp
3. The sun will seem really yellow but untrustworthy one morning
4. Things will seem like they were better in the good old days.
5. You will notice the newest Nike shoes are actually worth fighting
over.
Once you see these signs, pack all of your family members into your
bug out trailer and go flying in your shitty truck down main street
yelling at the common folk in route to your forest retreat. Continue to
said retreat and resume tin foil hat process. Shutoff all electronics and
cut off communication from the outside world for at least several
years. Be sure to kill plenty of coons and cover your nice goretex
boots with their skins like a true mountain man. Also, stop shaving
and cutting your hair. Years later, out of curiosity, emerge from the
wilderness in your new mountain man garb and stroll into town to see
whats left of the destruction. Be wary of any normal looking
civilians roaming the seemingly untouched streets. They are not to be
trusted. To be sure run at them with your pants off and blabber about
the end of the world, if they retreat, you know they are hiding
something.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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durango kidd says:
Done for you maybe, jarhead. With that attitude and perspective you
might as well roll over and accept the big green weenie. I thought
flatops had more heart.
Where did you leave yours?
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HF says:
I said the country was done, not me. And we were never called
flatops. Learn to call the play like it is and you might stay in the
game.
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linestaff says:
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What do ya say about something I already know is coming? Be

prepared, vigilant, be a leader, be with like minded people and most
of all, pray and know the lord. I will be locked and and loaded and
what ever our future brings us, I pray, I can care for my family.
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2. salvadordaly says:
I would guess early stage 3 at the moment but snowballing fast. Agree?
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HF says:
Definitely. I cant even keep up with the rate of change. Those that I
know suggest the same, massive increase in activity.
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HF says:
Actually, I think were close to mid way stage 3.
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Wouldnt be surprised to see the all police forces nationalized
soon.
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GoneWithTheWind says:
What seems more likely is open warfare in Mexico with
massive refuge movement across our Southern border.
Because the status will have changed from illegal
immigrant to refuge we will all be asked to cooperate
in this humanitarian gesture. The problem is it will
require higher taxes, collapse of our health care system.
skyrocketing education and welfare costs and
confiscatory policies to support all these refugees. The
refugees will never go back home again, even if law
and order is restored South of the border. But wait! Just
when you think it couldnt get worse the Supreme court,
lead by Sonia Sotomayor will declare that all of these
new citizens have a right of citizenship and of course a
right to vote. Oh! affirmative action will be increased to
make sure they all have (your) jobs.
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10mm says:
Accordo.
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jay says:
Actually i would say solid stage 2 with stage 3 running up the
driveway bout to knock on the door. I believe the essence of stage 3 is
the price controls, unrest and gun confiscating. And if they do try to
take our guns i would wager we could just skip 4 and move to all out
level 5 craziness.
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Highspeedloafer says:
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I think were in late stage 2 myself. There arent any shortages yet
except money. I believe when gas hits 5.00 per gallon we will rush to
stage 3.
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DPS says:
HSL,
Stage 1 maybe stage 2 here in TX, new homes still being built
and sold, We have started drilling for oil again and natual gas.
But we still have a very bad drought. Winter wheat looks to fail
again this year. I have to agree with the fuel cost moving us to
the next stage, but I think we will be heading for closer to $7.00
per gal by late summer.
DPS
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$7.00 gas will definately speed things up. I live in a small
town about 30 miles from charlotte, where the DNC will
be meeting in August. I have a buddy who is a major on
the CMPD and he is worried to death about what its
gonna be like there this summer. If your prediction of
7.00 gas comes true, I too am afraid Charlotte will
resemble the summer of 68 if not worse. In the county I
live in, one county away from Charlotte, housing hasnt
recovered and there are thousands of forclosures waiting
to go through the system, so maybe a little worse than
Texas. 2012 looks to be a nail biter.
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3. Cinderella Man says:

This article forgot having livestock and poultry. What a good article
though!!! It appears we are in stage 3 of this sequence in some parts of the
country already, and more prosperous states are still in stage 2. The
Fakestream Media is in the stage of denial, wanting us to believe that we are
in stage 1 still. According to Morning Express with Robin Meade the world
is just puppy dogs and kitty cats!! My family is prepared Im not going into
great detail because were not like the Dumbsday Preppers that will show
off all their guns and food for the whole country and DHS to see!! Nope we
are a ranching family and we enjoy a sense of security that most Americans
would only dream of. Im glad we thought way ahead before prepping got
real popular. We do need to have alot more like minded people to have
alliances with thats why I enjoy coming to this site and others like it, but I
would urge most preppers to keep alot of what they got to themselves, we
are now considered suspicious people of interest to our wonderful govt. and
the machines of loving grace that watch over us!!
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Hammerun says:
Dido on the keep it quiet shit. We have gotten a little more than our
share of sideways looks. I cant remember how many times I have
heard if this goes south and collapses, l know just where to go. And
I am with ya on the Lame stream media, absolutely friggen worthless.
Even in the big markets, they all rave about the new Target that is
opening up and stupid crap like that. I have a feeling the series
Doomsday Preppers is nothing more than jealousy. They have a
tendency to spotlight some of the goofy ones. Not all but just enough
so the Production Co can go either way if they want. What is funny
though, the Goofy ones, wait and see who is left standing in the end?
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I stay anonymous by using multiple user names on the Internet and

only my wife and retreat neighbors know the location. A few people
may show up at the town house, but we will be long gone.
A three-year food supply for four becomes a one-year supply for
twelve and you may not even be one of the twelve.
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4. manos says:
My opinion is that we will experience stages 3 to 5 all together.
Solution?
I dont see any.
Reaction?
Yes. Look at the brothers in Syria.
They go to the protests, knowing they gonna die; but they go.
When our well fed societies reach at this point, at least the next generations
will remember us as heroes.
Good article Mac.
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DRD5508 says:
manos, Im kinda with you on stages 3-5, though I think theyll
happen in rapid succession. It appears that TPTB are not very patient
right now and are looking to apply stages 3-5 rapidly.
Enjoy the thought: Lack of planning on your part does not constitute
an emergency on my part. Well said Mr. Meyer.
Thanks again Mac for the article.
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yental says:
Very astute. Once stage 3 is firmly entrenched (are we there
yet) stages 4 and 5 are in reality 3b and 3c. The acceleration of
decline and chaos at this point will be monitored in terms of
days, and possibly even hours. The decision to bug-in or
bug-out will in all calculable oddsalready be out of your
hands by that time.
Time is short. Any of several global and/or domestic events
could trigger the final stagesliterally overnight. Never in
my lifetime have I witnessed so many jokers and wildcards
in the DECK all at the same time. Stay vigilant and tuned in
and dont second guess your gut instincts. Buena Suerte to all!
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Gunsmith says:
~Yental~
Excellent analysis! Jokers & Wildcards indeed! Salute!!!
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disector says:
Manos, I rether enjoy your post but have a question. You say brother
in syria. Please explain.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
feature=player_detailpage&v=gTnvPC3hfMU
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DPS says:
Manos,
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Great joke this morning brother. Hop all is well with you and your
family.
DPS
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5. Satori says:
Dmitry Orlovs take on collapse
based on the collapse of the Soviet Union
http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2008/02/five-stages-of-collapse.html
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6. SmokyMtnLady says:
A little off subject here but I need some adviceI want to buy a pair of
waterproof, durable hiking bootsmy birthday is next week and I told my
H thats what I want! Any suggestions for a good, durable waterproof boot?
And Im not rich so nothing over $100.00!! I have 3 boys living at home
stilland they LOVE to eat :/
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knotjammin2 says:
Take a look at these: http://www.altrec.com/timberland/womenswhite-ledge-waterproof-mid-hiking-boot
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Bill says:
Check out http://www.botachtactical.com/fc.html
Botach has a footwear clearance site thats amazing. They often
only have limited sizes but the boots and prices are great. Im
wearing a pair of $200 Matterhorns that are the best boots Ive
ever owned, got them for $49 shipped. Its the only place I buy
boots from these days. The good news is for kids they usually
have tons of the smaller sizes, its the 9-11 that run out first.
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knotjammin2 says:
Oh, and Happy Birthday!!
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SmokyMtnLady says:
Great site! Thanks knotjammer2! Another year older..ugh;p
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ferndale says:
you want durable AND waterproof? probably gonna be hard to do for
under $100. Boots in the $125-150 range excellently meeting those
conditions would be far better.
get something that can be resoled. look for vibram sole. Get full grain
leather upper, dont rely on goretex. a crush resistant toe, but not
steel, would be good too.
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SmokyMtnLady says:
TY Ferndale!! Ill look for that!
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VRF says:
Check tractor supply too
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Heretic says:
You might check your local farm store. Im sure you can find
something you can live with.
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Dannyboy says:
You can always do in old school military boot and water proof them.
I have had my pair from the army sense 05 and are holding up pretty
good. Just my thoughts
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penny pincher says:
I went to the local GoodWill store and they had women rain boots/
boating boots they go all the way to my knees, got it for $8.
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MonkeySmoke says:
Carthart makes a great aluminum toed, waterproof hiking boot for
about $80. See if there is a Red Wing store in your area, otherwise,
you should be able to find them onlinerugged and lightweight.
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Dr. Prepper says:
Wal-mart has some decent boots under the $100 cap.
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BlueH2O says:
Try
http://www.bargainoutfitters.com/net/Main.aspx
Keep checking them, as they run sales all the time and do not always
have everything in every size.
Just bought 2 pair of good duty/service shoes, one pair Made in
America, for a tad over $100 w/the shipping.
Do beware steel toes if you arent already used to them. They can be
uncomfortable. Think about buying an inexpensive waterproofing
spray.
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HF says:
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Check Sportsmansguide. They have great Carhartt boots for less than
you want to spend. I found a pair for hiking that are water proof and
steel toe.
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carynverell says:
i personally would go shopping for hiking boots at the end of the day
and find what fits and what i like..then i would do the waterproofing
at home
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freeport56 says:
Pick up a few cans of Food Grade Silicon Spray, you can douse
shoe, clothes, jackets to water proof. It does not take much
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Boil says:
Bitch please !
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Bill says:
We always have great luck with LL Bean products.
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7. Jason says:
Hidden due to low comment rating. Click to read it.
Poorly-rated. What do You Think?
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The Moon is a Harsh Mistress says:
Keep on drinking that koolade there buddy!
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EAGLEDOVE says:
I am kinda of looking at sections of this country breaking off into
regions, where some will have it good where others wont.
Some trading among regions and inner conflicts with others.
I would guess we would lose Florida and most of the southern part of
the South West for good.
Most races will comeback together for protection.
Will see though.
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DPS says:
EagleDove,
Longtime we no get drunk together..LOL. I think you hit that
on the head, we will see several states band together sooner or
later. They may have got the FEMA maps pretty close to the
sections you mention. Stage 3 is when you will see this start.
We Americans love our guns and when they try and take them
we will hit stage 5 FAST. If you get a chance listen to what Ted
Nugent talked about yesterday. I think it was on yewhoo news.
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Not many folks like Ted but you have hand it to him hes got
some B-lls.
DPS
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mombo says:
have another cigerettegas up your car hit a movie
it is all good your right..
just remember today.when you still had time to do somethingand
you wrote this..
why not just hedge your bets..ANYTHING you prep for is an
investment you will gain no matter what..
but dont worryits all good.yea sure
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8. prep49er says:
Time to do your best Noah impression, the animals are starting to line up in
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SmokyMtLady, Try Carhartt brand boots, They are affordable I bought my
workboots from my local ranch supply store and theyre still going although
I need a new pair soon only $125!!!
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SmokyMtnLady says:
Ok, I can do $125-130.00Ill check it out! Thanks!!
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SD Mule says:
In your search to find boots, I noticed there was not any
mention of buying American made boots. The only concern
was price. Thank you for all who took part in the boot issue, for
illustrating one of the BIG reasons we have employment
problems in America. The employment problem, like most of
our problems, begins with that person who stares back at you
every time you look in the mirror. I hate it when the chickens
come home to roost, dont you?
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jsac says:
you must not have read the article.. in this particular sage
of collapse we are in, i think getting the boots are more
important than making sure they are from the u.s.a.
people are broke if they had all the money in the world
im sure they would be talking about getting some
american made boots. unfortunately this isnt 10 years ago
when you could still find a good american made boot for
100.00. i say get the best boot you can for your money no
matter where it comes from, when your outside your foot
wont give a shit where the boot was made as long as its
warm and safe.
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SmokyMtnLady says:
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SD Mule.I try to buy American as much as possible!

BUT..there are times that IS NOT possibledo YOU
have any good suggestions for a good hiking boot in my
price range??
SD Mule says:
jsac,
Save your excuses, either you do the right thing or you
dont. If it is not in your thinking to buy American made
products now, it probably wasnt 10 years ago either. Its
time to be honest with yourself, its not always someone
elses fault. So many people on this site want to jump on
the bandwagon and blame the politicians, or is it the
welfare folks, or is it the young people, or is it the folks
who watch football on TV? While all of the
aforementioned are not without a contribution to their
own demise, so are you a contributor to your own
demise. If you only have $100.00 to spend on boots at
the present time, then you have two choices.
Be patient and save your money until you have enough to
buy an American made product or buy foreign made
boots and be like the rest of the entitlement crowd who
feel they are owed, whatever they want at the price they
want. It is easy to be critical of others. Ah, but when the
spotlight is on you, how will you react? We shall see, as
the time is upon us!!
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eric says:
check ebay! sometimes you can get a good deal on there, but
patient and wait new ones appear all the time. and how you put
the seach in too makes a difference, I know because I have over
1000 purchases/sales.
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kevin says:
Work boots usually have hard soles, are very LOUD when walking, I
would suggest hunting boots!! Noise=dinner bell for scum.
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10. ferndale says:
i think an early stage 2 designation is about right, not that this scale is
anywhere near definitive. even in detroit, the murder rate remains far below
its 1980s rates. services adn goods are still widely available. credit remains
available for most. government services are widely available without
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DPS says:
ferndale,
Could you check out this article and give us a report from Detriot?
20 Things We Can Learn About The Future Of America From The
Death Of Detroit
TheEconomic Collapse web site. It wont let me paste the link.
DPS
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11. crash and burn says:
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remember they all laughed at Noah when he was building the Ark.
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12. 10mm says:
The citys will ignite.Most rural folks are proficant with rifles.anybody
looking or thinking they can waltz out to the mtns or country and take are in
for a surprise.And thats coming from a city boy.I work with country folk
from rural Pa,learned a lot in regards to firearms and their way of life.
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Gator (USN) says:
10mm I like your nickname. A 10mm or .40 will most definitely get
the job done. I was a fan of these rounds back in the late 80s early 90
s. Some people on here know I grew up in the Appalachians in WV in
the 70s. 8 bros. n sisters. We had it rough but we ate good. What we
ate to some would seem medieval but I miss it. Hopefully youve had
the chance to try some WV Ramps (wild onion) makes you stink but
wow are they good with BBQ Deer meat!!!! I live in a small town
Vernal, Utah now. I lucked out and my wife inherited a house here.
The boys here can shoot now Im tellin you. The shooting range here
is up to 1 mile in distance last I heard. Ive went along on Elk hunts
and the distance some of these guys can shoot accurately is amazing. I
guess this is why some of these boys do so good in wartime. Back in
WV I never had to shoot any further than 100-200 yrds. Now Im
getting used to 500-800 yrds lol. Dont ask me why anyone would
want to live in the city. Gimme a porch swing, a tomato sandwich
with ramps and Im in heaven
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JustMe says:
OPSEC?
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HF says:
Good on you Gator! Keep those skills sharp.
Semper Fi
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DPS says:
10mm,
Yep same here in the panhandle of TX, these old farmers and
ranchers can knock down a coyote out the window of the truck while
driving 50 mph. Last people on this earth you wanna mess with. And
we wont even talk about their wives.
DPS
Glad I have done so much work for most of them.
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13. Viking says:
Scary stuff!
You Americans are blessed that your country is what I would describe as a
continent and have many states and different regions. The size would make
a break up possible. I know that doesn`t sound good, but in an event where
society collapses and a totalitarian government is in place or developing
fast, a breakup the best one can hope for.
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In my scenario a federal state might not be able to obtain control over the
whole country after a collapse. Some regions and states could split off for
pragmatic reasons, because central power is busy fighting down insurgents
and riots nearer to the center. Some other states would decide that the US
constitution and their state constitutions are sacred or the best thing they
have at the moment. This might be the outcome of patriotic coup d etats,
governors, senators or even public servants following their consciousness or
pure pragmatism or even opportunism. These escapees would be hard to get
back especially if they would follow the constitution and the state military,
militias and even federal troops in these area would decide that the
particular state is the better choice. Civil war would follow.
My escaping candidates would be Vermont, some states in the mid west,
some of the southern states and Texas for sure.
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Obtuseangler says:
Viking,
I think you are on to something. In not too many years the producing
states will be called upon to help the socialist-lite states like
California remain solvent. That wont go down well. Parts of the
states on the southern border are already government-subsidized
satelites of Mexico and Central American. I lived in one of those
states for decades, and many citizens there openly maintain their
primary loyalty to foreign countries.
I moved my family to the Midwest in large part because of the values
that are common here. In my area we are in Stage One or Two of the
above. Detroit, Los Angeles, and maybe El Paso are in Stage Three. I
dont think it is out of the question that at some point my region,
Montana, Wyoming, ND, SD, and Idaho, loosen their ties to the
federal government. The dollar seems to be what is holding this
country together, and if the dollar continues to weaken so does the
glue that holds the country together.
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14. buttcrackofdoom says:
@ferndalecould the murder rate in detroit being lower now be caused by
the fact that MANY people have moved out?
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ferndale says:
all crime rates are figured on a per capita basis.
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15. Goat says:
The writings on the wall ,the sheeple either cant read it or refuse to due to
other more important things .ie a.idol ,the cardashiens ,16 an pregnant ,and
other great t.v. From distractions r us
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16. MrSmith says:
5th stage with Martial law and #4. on the assists list, 4.Firearms and the
ability to use them. I see complete gun confiscation at this point.
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Dr. Prepper says:
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What stage would Global Thermal Nuclear Armegeddon with

massive radiation fallout from the 20,000 nukes shot of world-wide
fall under?
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17. eeder says:
my thoughts are we have more or lessed gone through one and two totally
and literally. But the odd thing is we have already experienced parts of 3-5.
these are all things that are happening now or have over the last 20 years
especially, particularly the last 5-10. The point is these things have already
happened and only the darker points of 3-5 will only happen when we
suddenly dissolve into total chaos and anarchy. then its hook line and sinker
for the western world as we know it. fry er up.
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eeder says:
as the great tiger williams said, them pengins is done like dinner
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18. blackriflewarrior says:
Heres some icing for the cake. My girlfriend works for a large regional
bank. The bank has its own news system on the industry via e-mails. She
sent me an e-mail the other day that says that Bank of America is no longer
selling any loans to Fannie Mae. If Fannie Mae goes down, so does the
mortgage loan industry in this country. Freddie Mac and Ginnie Mae will be
right behind. The banks are shaking in their boots right now as the whole
system is on the verge of collapse. Thats straight from the horses mouth.
My GF knows the industry and she told me that shes glad were preppers
because were gonna need our preps soon.
I try to keep a sane attitude about the whole collapse thing but I can feel
something different in the air these days. I guess its the governments bad
karma on its way. Im sure glad I made my peace with God because we sure
are going to need him.
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HF says:
Great info and thanks for the heads up. Something definitely has
changed lately, I feel that as well. Stay safe.
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I thought Porky Pig said Thats all Folks!
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eeder says:
he did!
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20. Steve says:
What happens to fixed rate mortgages during hyper inflation?
Would gold / silver potentially be traded for inflated dollars and in essence
your mortgage is paid off very very cheaply? This could be pennies on the
dollar
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countryboyseein says:
Means you get to pay off your house with a bucket full of worthless
FED notes, that you traded half a case of MREs for, wise investment
on your part, lol.
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Obtuseangler says:
Yes, metals would be sold for inflated dollars, but you would be hit
for capital gains taxes on any large transaction.
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21. Giurza says:
reported by EVEN BBC!:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17195894
and by Moskau kinder:
http://rt.com/usa/news/victims-landfill-remains-mortuary-439/
isnt is nice? I would like to call those who like to shout that it is
BLASPHEMOUS and SACRILEGIOUS to doubt in the official 9/11 story!
well, come and thumb me down now you governMENTAL bastards!!!!
sorry for the rant! Im drunk and pissed off some big time! I hate this
fracked up world, may the reset button be pressed, may the fun begin,
because all the decency is gone and we are but the pawns on the table of the
mighty.
and it suck to be the 1% I mean 98% sheeple, 1%-Elites, 1%-we the
proud but f!@#U$ing silent awake!
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22. the survivor says:
STAGE 5. Freedom, Liberty, and Independence is Lost
"""The government implements martial law. Fighting between civilians
and government forces break out nationwide. Maintaining more than a 30
day supply of food is considered hoarding food and is illegal. Severe
poverty and starvation become a common sight. The government offers
marginally acceptable food, water and shelter in exchange for your
Freedom, Liberty, and Independence. Democracy ends and a Socialist form
of government takes over under the guise of fixing societys problems with
the false promise that peace and prosperity will return better than it was just
a few years ago. A Totalitarian regime assumes power and the individual
freedoms and liberties once enjoyed by the people are completely
eliminated."""""
if stage 5 happens or is true,
why is all this necessary?? Martial law means that the government takes
everything you have and if youre caught with any banned items, youll be
shot on the spot.Also, the Gov has no food to bargin with, Jimmy Carter
gave the soup away a long time ago
Primary Assets:
1.Rural Hideaway
2.Security plan to protect the group and assets
3.Living below the radar in a community of like minded people
4.Firearms and the ability to use them
5.Guard dog for security
6.Survival knowledge and skills
7.A working and producing garden capable of feeding 150% of the group
8.A stable supply of clean water
9.Vegetable seeds for long term food production and barter
10.The will to live and survive in a harsh political climate
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It just occured to me maybe the rural area survivor colonies should try to
destroy the roads from major cities as much as possible? Im talking
barricading mountain passes, blowing up bridges, ect. ect. That is the only
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way to ensure complete security, because people will figure out where the
food and safety is!!!
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Government Guy says:
My retreat is in a mountain community with one bridge for a choke
point. We plan to barricade it with cars and guard it with a
sandbagged pillbox, but have not discussed blowing it up because we
may want to leave one day.
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BlueH2O says:
Also, it depends on who is attacking you. Refugees are one
thing, but even NG have air support that can travel over any
blown bridge or barricade. Small rural bridges that have been
taken down can likely be traversed w/a tracked vehicle.
Few of us thought about our homes/property being defensible
when we purchased them. A friend who lives on high ground at
the end of a road, pointed out that he could be taken out by a
group traveling overland at night and no one would even know
for days or longer.
Everyone has to sleep, sometime.
It just can get to be too much to deal with after a while. Hope it
doesnt come to that sort of scenario.
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delr says:
well hidden,multiple sniper hides and ieds in multiple
locations. special treat would be mobile mines[think toy rc
trucks that go BOOM].latter to be made only after the shtf.get
the supplies just keep them seperated.dont forget they owwn
the skies.still trying to come up withair deterence and
avoidance systems. peace bro.
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Then, they will just have to use some of them famous black
helicopters to find your butt.
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24. Nam Marine says:
I live in the Suburbs. No where to run away to. I am armed, have some food
and some water. Lots of ammunition and
I know how to use a weapon thanks to the Marine Corps.
I may go down, but I will take many looters with me!
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delr says:
fire and manuveur. fire and manuveur. the house is not a fortress just
a resupply point.have it prepped but dont forget your training.its
been 28 years since i served and you just dont forget.keeper of the
hawg!
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Patriot One says:
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If I had a retreat you would be welcome. Work on building a tribe
around you, but not just Nam Vets because we are all getting old.
War or collapse is still a young mans game.
Its taken me a while, but we are standardized in weapons and calibers.
This year has been my best because we added a doctors. We are
somewhat lose nit because we are all working and have our own lives
and families, but if the SHTF we will muster within 24 hours.
Good luck Marine.
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HF says:
Thanks for your service Jarhead. Stay safe.
Semper Fi
89-00
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25. mustangbob says:
I would like to have the guys set-up in the picture.
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Me too, but I did not build a road through the woods to my retreat so I
have had to carry up every stick of wood, window and door, etc. It
would look differently if I had it. It would be packed floor to ceiling
with food storage with a small walkway
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That is a hypothetical question Govt. watchers Im NOT advocating anyone
to blow up a bridge!! Cant be to careful these days!!
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eric says:
sure you did and we all did too. lol Take what we write because when
it really happens there are too many of us in all areas and they are not
going to waste their time for just a few with comments like this. they
are going to use their resourses for bigger fish. there are like 350
million in america or close to that. your safe I believe. I would not
worry. Just saw nat geo and have doomsday preppers and it was
pretty good.
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27. Patriot One says:
Good article Mac. The problem is the masses drink Coolaid, wear Rose
Colored Glassed and are intoxicated by the Hopium of the MSM, Dancing
with the Stars, Idol, Real Housewives and whats her name on Jersey
Shores.
Most of my Friends and Family fall into the above group. While they are
starting to feel something is seriously wrong, they comfort themselves with
it cant happen in America.
Folks the Financial Firms and Banks are leveraged between 20:1 and 50:1
some even more. If the stock markets around the globe start to have a
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correction you are going to see failures. This is just my WAG, but if 7% of
deposits were withdrawn from banks the financial system would collapse.
It has gotten so crazy out there that when the Europeans announce a 2
Trillion Euro bailout fund no one even notices. Thats over 3 Trillion dollars
at a 1.34592 conversion.
While most here think we are a stage 2, I think we are much closer to a
stage 4 and dont even know it. 4 short years ago you had 3% of mortgages
going bad. Today that number is pushing 17%. Add to that defaults on
Consumer loans, Credit Cards, Student loans, Car loans and Business loans
and we have an problem that cant be corrected.
The PTB will print money to keep up appearances of the banks and stock
markets, but when its all over your account will be worth zero. They are
steeling our savings, retirement, 401Ks SEPs, IRAs right in front of our
eyes by printing money.
We have the peddle to the metal, now we are waiting for the crash.
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28. eric says:
if you have a farm, have chickens that lay eggs, you can live off of them.
Hide your guns ammo in different areas and have a hole arleady dug. Most
important I want to hear from people who know on here, please dont
respond to this if your not sure, but if we burry our ammo in green steel
ammo boxes, will they be ok? and for burrying our weapons in the ground
what does anybody recommend to keep them from rusting, I can just think
of coating them with gun oil or wd-40 and plastic bag them and put the
ammo cans in the ground, but worried about moisture, might have to burry
some now just with a few rounds to test. Like to know what anybody has on
this.
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Beefcake says:
Rust needs two things to form: oxygen and moisture. Removing one
of those items will prevent rust from forming. Looking into desiccant
packets to remove moisture and oxygen absorbers like you use for
food storage to remove the other. It is also a good idea to generously
lube your stuff with grease or oil and wrap in butcher paper or wax
paper before storing. As for burying cans, I am not sure but my guess
would be simply wrapping them in thick grade yard trash bags with
lots of duct tape would suffice. Might also want to make sure there is
no exposed metal on the outer surface of the ammo cans so get a rattle
can with paint, any paint, to cover those bare metal surfaces if they
exist.
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Beefcake says:
And as for storing ammo I highly recommend storing ammo separate
from anything with oils or grease, Ive heard rumors that the fumes
from the lubricants especially penetrating oils like WD-40 or CLP can
do things like render primers and powder useless since the fumes will
find a way to seep into the cases. I heard this rumor but I cannot
verify it, better safe than sorry is my motto.
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eric says:
good point, this is why i asked, its good to get ideas from all of
us. but the thumbs down from some fucking idiots should stay
off of this.
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DPS says:
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eric,
You just have to ignore the comment ratings, if
somebody gets pissed at you then they thumbs down you
forever. I think the comment rating was the worse thing
to happen to this site.. Sorry Mac.
DPS
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Joe says:
I had an AR buried since 1992 and dug it up last year and there wasnt
a spec of rust anywhere. It was buried in PVC pipe with a O2
Absorber in it. Cap on one end and plumbing cleanout on the other
sealed with pipe dope. Id bury Ammo the same way.
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kaynine says:
eric one word cosmoline.
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DW says:
Put your ammo/pistols along with dessicant in ziploc bags and then
put the bags in Pelican cases. Not cheap, but very durable and
watertight. Wrap the case in a few trash bags and bury. Also, you can
put your ammo cans directly into the Pelican case (some, like the
1660, are quite large).
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eric says:
thanks I got one, I will have to do that and get some ziplock
bags. good idea. I will light coat my weapons and put all my
ammo or part of it in the pelican case wrapped in plastic with
those O2 scrubber packets. that will work and iwill go with
that. someone said he burried a gun for a long time and it did
not rust. ok im good with these answers.
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Butter knife Brigade says:
Sorry put your stores in plastic before putting them in the tubes first.
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Movin On says:
I have seen the large PVC pipes with fittings used for storage and
burying. That plastic will never break down. Vacuum seal your items
for moisture control. I would vacuum seal the vacuum seal! You may
be able to buy something on line or you can make your own.
http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/wood115.html
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I will not comment on burying ammo cans because most of mine has
been in a metal filing cabinet in my basement for several years with
no adverse affects.
I worked for the BSA for several years teaching shooting sports and
we stored the firearms in metal above ground lockers in an unheated
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garage nine months out of the year. After the final cleaning we would
coat them inside and out with bore butter which is much much thicker
like grease. They came out in great shape except for the year that
someone used them during the off season and did not prep them
before storage. That year they were covered in a layer of rust required
a lot of TLC.
You might also try asking your pharmacy to save their used desiccant
packs from bulk medicine for you so that you can recharge them in
the oven and throw some in to absorb moisture.
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What is in the comment to thumbs down? The guy was honest
about his experience and the pharmacy idea was a good one.
The world really is full of idiots.
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yental says:
No, it is full of troll-bots which are programed to inject
negativity into all commentary that projects a potential
solution to the coming conflagration. Not counting the 13
year old chicken chokers living in mommies house
with too much time on their handsamong other things.
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eric says:
good information and I know you are on here daily and love
hearing from people that posted all this from my orginal
question and was all good ideas. of course there are a few that
always thumbs down and we know those are the ones that dont
give a shit and are clueless. watch i will get thumbs down for
what? lol Who cares but just making a point. We know many
who are on here need to shut up and learn not thinking they
know it all or dont care, which there are a lot of those on here
as government guy says.
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REB says:
Pack your ammo tightly in the cansless air the better(line the cans
with some cardboard or whatever to insulate it from the direct contact
with the steel) then put in a couple oxogen absorbers or equvilents
put some vasiline on the rubber seal of the ammo can(helps keep it
soft and sealed)short term just put the cans into a plastic bag and
bury them a couple feet deep in as dry a ground as you can find
long term coat the cans completely in roofing tar/grease and wrap in
plastic,insert this into another container like a sealable cooler(you can
put this all into another HD trash bag if you want to) bury it deep!
As to the gunsif you have cosmoline,use it if not pack the barrel
full of vaseline or good grade auto greaseplug openings with
greased cloth or cotton balls apply grease liberally to the entire gun
then wrap in an old sheet thats been soaked in oil,insert it into a
plastic drainpipe tube with closable ends(screw caps w/silicone or
plumbers puddy in the threads or glued on caps)dont forget a few
moisture absorbers.
When I sold Army/Navy goods I helped alot of guys/gals bury alot of
goodies,one good item if still available was a rocket tube..heavy duty
made of steel with perfect sealability,I have seen weapons and ammo
packed into one of these and lightly greased come out of the ground
after a decade in perfect conditionI mean PERFECT!the drain
pipe tube is good too and because the rocket tubes were scarce in the
best of times and may not be available anymorethey are the next
best!
Simply burying an ammo can wont do for long unless the can is
protected as discribed above,even so try for as dry a place as
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possible.this worked well in the Great lakes region where its

always wet,so if you are in the desert it will work even betterdont
forget to include some solvent in these containersto cut the grease
when you open them uphope thatll help some!
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eric says:
one of the best comments on here. thanks again and thanks to
all that responded. it helped.
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DPS says:
eric,
And never clean a gun with wd-40 and keep it away from
all ammo. But always keep it on hand you would be
amazed at the shyt you can do with it. BTW it took them
40 tries to get the formula right thats why its called wd40.
DPS
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First, WD40 is NOT a rustproofer, use heavy oil or grease, or a commercial
rust preventer.
The vacuum sealer is your friend. Get the rolls of bags and after youve
greased them up put them in the sealer bag and seal them up. Do the same
with your ammo, just dont put a hard vacuum on it, just enough to hold it
together. Without oxygen theres no rust, the bags are tough and last for
many years.
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REB says:
Back when I learned how to bury stuff they didnt have these vacumn
thingys.but thats a great idea!
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DPS says:
REB,
Got any good tips for finding the shyt you buried? LOL
Note to newbie preppersNever drink and bury you stuff
DPS
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30. Satori says:
WTSHTF what do you think guys like this will be doing??
http://www.businessinsider.com/bi-mercenary-armies-2012-2?op=1
all that training might get put to practical use
can I introduce you to your new local war lord ?
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mike says:
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They will be splintered and either home protecting their families or

trying to get there. A contractor only works for someone that can pay
them. Some of these guys are probably on websites like this, they
have seen this stuff coming for years.
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31. Butter knife Brigade says:
Pvc tubes with caps glued on both ends.Put them in plastic first with some
silica gel dehydrators and make sure the weapons are well cared for,cleaned
and oiled before hand.Might have some trouble getting the caps off the day
you dig them up but it will be watertight.
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32. Snake says:
Anybody who has given up on America has already lost. Underneath the
corruption, greed, and other variations of nastiness lies the Land of the Free.
Your land, my land, our land, its still here. Our forefathers fought bloody
hell and high water for their freedom. Look at how many people are
protesting around the world. Tens of thousands, if not hundreds of
thousands of angry mobs all in some sort of agreement that theyve had
enough.
What are we doing here? Its obvious our federal government ceases to
function on any respectable level. The media tells shows us more of
Angelina Joles leg than what going on say, In Syria, except maybe how
terrible it is that all those innocent people dying by the hands of yet another
puppet dictator. Not like Iraq.
Are you prepared to turn this place into a Syria? Or will you hide out and
eat beans until they find you anyway. Are you ready to stop an armored
vehicle or tank? How about an attack helicopter or reaper drone? Looters?
Sure. Stealth bombers? Not likely, unless your stocked up on anti-aircraft
defenses, or a few SAMs. Your neighbors wont be any help because you
left them to starve when the SHTF!
This is because we americans have grown too accustomed to our lifestyles
and are too afraid to change. We are addicted to fast food, and television.
We are obsessed with how we look with a cellphone stuck too our head,
especially while driving. Until we get home and udate our Facebook status.
So we can ridicule each other. If they say things are good, we believe it
because if things were any different, we would have to change, and we
dont want to give up any of these commodities that have made our country
so great. They dont need to impose martial law. All they have to do is
broadcast on TV, Everything is fine Stocks are up You can keep
consuming Angilina Jole Then were like, Wow! Versachi! I think
Ill go to Taco Bell.
When you can get away from the TV. The high fatty foods made so readily
available. You begin to realize that they have already won. There will be no
SHTF, no revolution. Not in the US anyway. Any quelms of resistance are
easily swept away and discredited. Like the Occupy a toilet movement.
Does anyone remember why that started? You can stock up on whatever
sitting around waiting for looters and theyll all be home watching TV.
I dont want to S on anyones fan, but preparing for it to get worse, is only
letting it get worse.
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God has granted me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the
difference. I am not responsible for things I have control over, so I am
not going to worry about them.
As far as neighbors are concerned, I am not foolish enough to
surround myself with anyone other than those who are at least as
ready as I am to grow their own food, harvest their own game and
firewood, etc. as their families have been doing for generations.
I do not worry much about a government who using all the
technology available today cannot find my neighbors marijuana crop
or add my retreat to the property tax records. Those in power will be
focused on plucking the low-hanging fruit to hold up as an example.
Like with a bear attack I do not have to outrun the bear. I only have to
outrun you.
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DPS says:
Prep Pastor,
Thanks buddy your bear statement made my day.
To damn funny
DPS
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Slick says:
You cant fool me,
Your Glenn Beck.
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Mr. Blutarsky says:
No way slick. That person says to not prepare. Beck is
BEGGING people to prepare.
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Slick says:
Your right Mr. B,
But maybe,
Just maybe
If Glenn, fell off the wagon,
And was in one of his depressed the world is gonna end
moods.
I could see it being him.
No?
Wait a tic
Your right, because he didnt pimp Gold Line in his post.
My bad.
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33. dude says:

it is so sad this effin country asked for it when the people at top just cared
about themselves. We were suppose to advanced and become a smarter
society closer and closer to the future. It so sad that the wheels of humanity
are stuck on mud. so much mud. ..
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34. RightWingMom says:
The longer this can is kicked down the road the bigger the collapse and the
more difficult the recovery.
The fed. govt. keeps sticking its finger in the economic dam, but its too
little too late. It could be 6 months or 6 years, but the numbers dont lie. We
are living on borrowed time!
God Bless the Republicand those who are NOT prepared.
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35. kevin says:
My stage 5 is not on par with this. KEVINS STAGE 5. 1-we put our boots
in the backsides of the commies,banksters and traitors. 2- Impound ALL
wealth from the commies,banksters and traitors families stolen from the
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american people. 3- Tar and feather the commies,banksters, treasonous

judges, and traitors to the constitution. 4- Drink a pepsi
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36. mike says:
I am very sorry but need to tap some wisdom of everyone here. Has anyone
built one of those Howard Johnson electromagnetic generators? Anyone
know anything about them? Link for plans or information ect?
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DPS says:
mike,
Didnt get a chance to do a search but this site has a ton of ideas for
power.
http://theepicenter.com/tow02077.html
hell they even have a wood power usb generator
DPS
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DPS says:
also ran accross this.
http://www.rexresearch.com/johnson/1johnson.htm
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37. Shill says:
Goodbye, First Amendment: Trespass Bill will make protest illegal
http://rt.com/usa/news/348-act-tresspass-buildings-437/
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38. 7 3/4 tinfoil hat says:
stage 2 now, stage 3 soon.God, gold, guns, groceriesbe safe everyone
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39. wally says:
beans bullets and bandaids people while there is still time
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40. eric says:
Mike I got 2 5000 watt inverters to get juice from my batteries which I got 7
car batteries and can recharge them. Only tip I can say is dont have all your
stuff in one place, if fires are buring out of control, 5 houses on fire will
take down the ones next to it and its a chain reaction. No firemen will be
around, it will be a mess. Most of the idiots in the big cities that dont even
read articles like this or even knows whos in the elections against Obama is
not engaged and liekly will be wating for the government to help them but
help will not be around and they will parish badly. Once the entitlements
run dry that is when those overweight fat people who sit and wait for their
money are gonna be in big trouble. My real only tip is to have a 12 gauge
gun with multiple shells ready to be used. Pistols for manywho have not
shot is hard to hit a moving target in a home spaced far away, you would be
wise to use a 12 gause shotgun inside. and also many might think this is
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wrong but if you have earplugs in, you can still hear but wont scare you and
throw off your focus in the most critical monment when it counts to take
target down. Or even just one can help. try shooting a pistol at the range at a
target without earplugs and see how you do and then do it again with
earplugs, you will probably be a better shot for many with them in. Just try
it im right and just trying to help for some. Not all need them but women
and others it might help.
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41. Mcfrolie says:
This article was written so poorly it is hardly worth the read. The 5 stage
titlesReally thats the best that could be done? Stage 2 The slippy slope
-Primary Assets- Number 4 elimination of debt How the hell you figure
that? Eliminating debt is not an asset. When it is eliminated it is not a debt
or asset. What a waste of time. I want it back.
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42. Steveo says:
I believe we will see variations on the theme across the country. We already
see deindustrialization of Democratically run cities and states. Detroit,
Philly, California come to mind. the democrats move in with their
socialization, try to spread the wealth until the money makers and motivated
move away after taxes are raised to pay for it all. then it dies as they run out
of money and motivated prosperous people. SO the fight against poverty
ends with multiplied poverty and massive misery. This is the Democratic
party in action! So we will see areas of the country collapse due to these
insane policies and other areas rise up due to their freedom and drawing the
best brightest and motivated too their regions with sanity. the South is full
of Guns and family values, it will not blow up, they will kill any and all
criminals without trials. the north will explode into mob rule, some outer
areas will hang together and survive, but not enough food for 1/2 the
population means great pain. The southwest is toast, full on street gang
warfare, no one trusts anyone out there. The midwest is a mixed bag, some
good and bad cities and states, but overall friendly trusting people. the
higher the mixture, the more strife, and vise versa. The northwest might be
OK, but they will need to learn to grow massive amounts of food to feed the
high population or it comes apart.
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