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128 coupes
128 coupe 1100 1971 type 128AC5.000
8.9:1 C/R
output 64hp @ 6600 (din)
8.3mkg@3800 (din)
twin choke carb
(source "All the Fiats 1984")
from my other info, twin front downpipe, 24/68 64/28 cam
128 coupe 1300 1972 type 128AC.000
8.9:1 75hp (din) @6000
9.4mkg@3600
24/68 64/28 camshaft
twin venturi weber 32DMTR 20
(source "specifications and features" 128 sport coupe 1st revision 11/72)
128 coupe 1300 1972 U.S.A. version type 128A1.040
8.5:1 C/R
output 51hp@5600 (sae)
torque 8.5mkg @3000 (sae)
10/54 54/10 camshaft, single weber 32ICA
(source "specifications and features" 128 sport coupe 1st revision 11/72 U.S.A
supplement)(dont ask me why some figures are quoted as S.A.E. because I dont know, it
could just be for the US market, maybe that is the standard there?)
128 3P's128 3P's
128 coupe 3P 1100 1975 type 128AC5.000 (?)
9.2:1 C/R
output 65hp (din) (up 1 hp fron prev)
torque 8.9mkg@4100 (din)(up from 8.3mkg @ 3800)
twin choke carb
(source "All the Fiats1984")
128 coupe 3P 1300 1975 type 128AC.000
9.2:1 C/R
output 73hp (din) (down 2hp from 75)
torque 10.2mkg@3900 (din)(up from 9.4mkg@3600)
twin venturi weber 32DMTR/??
(source "All the Fiats 1984")
Others
Ritmo / Strada
60hp / 65hp / 70hp
1116 / 1301 / 1498
9.2:1 / 9.1:1 / 9.1:1
8.3mkg@3500/10mkg@3500/12mkg@3000
these use single choke carburettors 32ICEV 1100/1300 34ICEV 1500
(source "All the Fiats 1984")
A bit more research on standard camshafts.
Fiat 128 1116cc Type 128A.000
12/52 52/12 (checked at 0.50mm)
9.1mm gross lift
Running clearance 0.30 inlet 0.40mm exhaust
I never tried, but I believe these pistons make the engine non interference. I never
measured it, but I believe the FI cat cars in the US are under 8.5:1 static CR and around
75hp...Lets refer to these as Type1
I've never striped down an Australian spec EFI cat 1500...as there's about 10 cars in the
whole state of W.A. ... so I honestly couldn't tell you which crown shape/ flycut depth
these have.
Our 1982/1983 model year were 1500 5 speeds (138AS.023) These are almost a euro
engine (138AS.000) but not quite. We had a 32datra carb instead of the 34dmtr of the
euro/UK spec cars. We also had a different camshaft (10/54) but other than these two
differences, all other major specs (9.2:1 CR , inlet manifold runner size, exhaust manifold
runner size, combustion chamber shape and volume etc etc) are the same. The Australian
spec engine is rated at 80hp, not 85 hp like the euro/UK equivalent. That's understandable
as the carb butterflys and venturis are smaller and we have less cam lift and duration.
These are an interference engine. The pistons found in euro/UK/australian engines look
like these. Lets refer to these as Type2
We also get the 1500 (carbed) engine in the 85S Regata, and the piston used in this
engine is different to the euro/uk/aust spec piston for the X19 1500. They look like this.
Lets refer to these as Type3
the top of these pistons is flat, but the compression height is 0.2mm higher than the three
other types pictured here, though they use a Astadur non retoque gasket which is around
0.35 thicker (crushed) compared to the other engines. CR for these engines is quoted for
aust spec as 9.5:1. these are rated at 85hp, use a 10/54 cam, but a 32/34dmtr (smaller
venturis than the euro spec X19 though), same runner size in the twin out ex manifold, a
smaller port size thru the inlet manifold and egr fittings on the manifolds.... same engine
(but without EGR) is fitted to many models of Uno/Tipo/Strada in UK/Europe...
Then there are the euro/australian spec 128 coupe/rally X19 1300 piston. These have a
very small dome across the head of the piston. Notice how the flycut front flatish edge
isnt truly straight like the regata85s piston above...thats where the outer circumference of
the circular dome is and it's 0.6mm high... When these are used with the euro/australian
spec head - no full circular recess- in a 1500cc engine, the CR is up around 9.6:1
depending on head gasket choice. They look like this. Lets refer to these as Type4.
The listed pictures are examples of the piston crown shapes I have seen in the sohc (86
and 86.4mm engines) but there is nothing to say some markets didn't get pistons with
different compression heights.
For example the piston shown as type 3, is listed in the 2009
Mahle online catalogue with two different compression heights, mahle P/N 0087200 has
a CH of 34.15 flycut depth of 2.7mm, Mahle P/N 0087400 has a CH of 34.9mm with
Interesting Note: The exhaust manifold and front pipe actually has the most benefit (HP
wise) of any of these differences. A superb example of how much difference would be to
compare euro spec 128 rally and 128 coupe engines. same head design, same CR, same
inlet manifold and carb, same cam specs. the 128 rally used a single outlet design
manifold (67hp) the 128 coupe used a dual outlet design (75hp)
The carb used in the UK is a 34DATRA, here in Australia we still had a 32DATRA
(precisely the same carb as our 1300 spec cars strangely enough) and our cars were only
rated to 80hp.
I believe that the euro and UK X19 1500 spec cam is 24/68 64/28 with 9.9mm lift (same
duration as the 128 rally/coupeX19 1300 euro spec cams, but the 1300 ran 9.75mm lift)
And the piston crown shape.. the 1500US spec had HUGE flycuts and the engine was
non interference, whereas euro/UK spec engines had small flycuts and were interfence
(the exhaust valves touch the pistons and bend when the timing belt breaks)
Chassis specifications
SteveC