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byrishiFriSep16,20119:46pm
Hi Everybody,
Not sure if this is the appropriate forum but will dive in.
I'm interested in knowing more about what you think and feel, or resources that can tie
together, or distinguish the Hindu concept of shakti, and it's manifestation in Pali and
Buddhism, satti.
I was referred over from dw .com and had also asked there: No, I haven't seen it equivocated
into Pali or Buddhism, however the idea of shakti as in shaktipat, and transmission of divine
or spiritual energy, I seem to recollect, and this is often termed empowerment from the (so
called) Buddhist side.
I was replied to that perhaps, Tantric, Vajrayana and maybe even Shingon/Tendai tradiitons
could be telling.
So that brings this more into focus; how, what and where do we know about empowerment
and transmission similar to this?
Thanks,
Risi
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bydeepbluehumFriSep16,201110:03pm
To understand the difference between Hindu shakti and Buddhism, you need to study the
Buddhist notions of the skandhas, dhatus and ayatanas. These ideas preclude the existence of
divine energy. The Shivaite's basically ascribe to the Sankhya view which asserts a truly
existent dualism. Based on this view, they ascribe to the power of "consciousness" to bless
others with its energy through the guru's experience. Abhisheka in tantric Buddhism is
different, because the purpose is for the student to experience the lack of true existence in
the experiences of the skandhas, dhatus and ayatanas. In Abhisheka, the transference of
blessings does not happen do to a transfer of energy but through dependent origination.
http://dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=5328&p=56937#p56937
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byrishiFriSep16,201110:12pm
Thanks now we're geting somewhere. I'm not so stuck on terms so "divine" can be questioned,
and your answer would mean that any nonphysical entity, would have no effect on a human,
as such a Bodhisattva would be a mere concept, no?
Also, could you break out what you mean by dependent origination?
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byVirgoFriSep16,201111:07pm
the Hindu concept of shakti, and it's manifestation in Pali and Buddhism, satti.
Is not the same.

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bydeepbluehumFriSep16,201111:43pm
rishi wrote:
Thanks now we're geting somewhere. I'm not so stuck on terms so "divine" can be
questioned, and your answer would mean that any nonphysical entity, would
have no effect on a human, as such a Bodhisattva would be a mere concept, no?
Also, could you break out what you mean by dependent origination?
I don't follow your reasoning. I recommend you hit Google for dependent origination. There's
tons of material you can read.
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byalwaysonFriSep16,201111:48pm
The commonalities between Hinduism and Buddhism are found in the chakras and channels
such as the sushumna / avadhuti.
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Pranayama is also similar.

But the concept of Shakti is a little different, unless you are defining Shakti as something
going up the center channel. Only then would it be similar.
Of course the view of dependent origination, from the Buddhist side, is also different.
This is just my understanding being raised Hindu, and now Buddhist.
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byrishiSatSep17,20114:55am
Yes, I would say shakti could go up the central channel, but so could generic prana/ pana.
Thanks for your responses everyone. Is any of this discussed in source literature, or is it
secondary and culturally, traditionally attached to a specific region of Buddhism?
Also, if I ask this on another forum variety of Buddhism (e.g., Tibetan) might I get another
answer?
Rishi
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byalwaysonSatSep17,20112:41pm
If your goal is find similarities between Hinduism and Buddhism, I just told you.
They have the same channels, chakras, yogas, pranayamas.
Click on this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Completion_Stage
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Completion_Stage)
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byrishiSatSep17,201110:55pm
Also differences, correspondences, resources, source references, etc.

Thanks
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Pranayama is also similar.

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