Ortiz Recording Transcript

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SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA

U.S. ATTORNEYS OFFICE
BILINGUAL
TRANSCRIPTION AND TRANSLATION
Recorded Conversations
CDs labeled: 200911587, SA-94-CXIA
Meeting with Victor Silva
U.S. v. Oscar Ortiz

10-CR-3986-BTM
Prepared for Assistant U.S. AARON CLARK

by Ruth Monroy, U.S.C.C.I.
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LEGEND
VI
Victor (addressed as such on recording)
CH
Chente, (addressed as such on recording)
AT
Agent [addressed as Too on recording]
UM
Unidentified male voice [male voice 1, 2, etc.]
[OL]:
OVERLAP
[UI]:
UNINTELLIGIBLE
[IA]:
INAUDIBLE
[ph]:
PHONETIC
/:
Two or more words separated by a / are options, due to lack of clarity or specificity in the original
language.
[ ]:
Text within brackets are inserts by the translator to aid in comprehension. After you, [pl] indicates the
plural form used in Spanish.
Italics:
Source language is English
Normal font:
Source language is Spanish
Some words in the English translation may have been purposely distorted and/or grammatical errors created, so
as to reflect Spanish language errors or inadequacies. These words are some times followed by the notation [sic].
I, Ruth Monroy, Interpreter Certified by the ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE OF THE UNITED STATES COURTS, declare that I
am fluent in the English and Spanish languages, and that I transcribed and translated recordings from a compact disk, the
contents of which appear below, to the best of my ability on or about March 03, 2011 in San Diego, CA.
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Ruth Monroy, U.S.C.C.I.
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[01:29]
You didnt bring the money?
VS
Chente, you didnt bring the money?
Eh?
CH
What?
No trajiste el dinero to show me?
VS
You didnt bring the money to show
me?
[IA]
No, pues, s, gey.
VS
No, well, yeah, dude.
No-los treinta mil bolas quieres verlos?
CH
No-the thirty thousand bucks, you
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[IA]
Los sesenta mil bolas?
wanna see them? The sixty thousand

bucks?
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Money, money, el salario o feria, gey.
VS
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Para ver lo que... si es for real or not for
dude. To see if its for real or not for real
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real [UI]
[UI].
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Pues, no... es que mira, Victor, ayer me
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dijiste que simn, verdad? Y me dijiste,
yesterday you told me yeah, right?
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te voy a hablar al rato.
And you told me, Im gonna call you in
CH
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Money, money, the salary or dough,
But didnt... its cuz, look, Victor,
a while.
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Ese bato... te voy a decir as, ira, gey, mi
VS
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camarada, gey, ya est listo. Te voy a
like this. Look, dude, my pal, dude, hes
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decir cmo se llama. Se apellida Ortz.
already ready. Im going to tell you what
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That dude...Im going to explain it to you
his name is. His last names Ortiz.
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Ortz?
CH
Ortiz?
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Ortz. Tal... y as el bato, pelon as, y la
VS
Ortiz. Like... and the dude is like, his
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chingada. Este camarada fue a la escuela
hairs shaved/bald like that, and shit.
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conmigo, y trabaj ah en el campo un
This guy went to school with me, and he
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rato, ah... Yo trabaj en el campo de
worked there in the field for a time. I
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seguridad. De ah l se brinc para ac.
worked in the security field. From there

he switched to over here.
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T tambin trabajaste ah?
CH
You also worked there?
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De seguridad.
VS
As security.
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Oh.
CH
Oh.
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Y ya, este gey se fue al INS...
VS
And then this dude went to INS....
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Exacto.
UM
Precisely.
Y al ICE. Ah... trabaj-trabaj un rato y lo
VS
And then to ICE. Uh... he worked-he
acomod con otro camarada mo que es
worked there for a while, and I set him
pariente de un to mo, el hermano de mi
up with another guy I know whos
mam. Entiendes? Se avent cinco tiros,
related to an uncle of mine, my moms
gey. Yo all le agarr caca, gey, noms
brother. Know what I mean? He did five
por acomodar a mi to, gey. Vali verga.
gigs, man. I got crap from there, dude;
Me di como cinco mil bolas noms. Pues,
just to set my uncle up, dude. It was
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no me quise... no-no, no me le met all,
fucking worthless. All he gave me was
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pues. Aqu es diferente, gey. Aqu lo
five thousand bucks. Uh, I didnt want
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que... jale entremedio, yo voy a estar all
to... I-I, I didnt put myself in the picture
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pa todo, gey. Me entiendes? Yo... En
there. Here its different, dude. Here,
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otras palabras, si me da luz verde, yo te
what... when theres a gig to do, Im
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doy luz verde a t, gey. Me entiendes?
gonna be there for everything, dude.
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As es el trato que yo tengo con l.
Know what I mean? I... In other words,
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if he gives me a green light, I give you a
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green light, dude. You know? Thats the
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deal I have with him.
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Si...
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If...
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l ya me di luz verde, gey.
VS
He already gave me a green light, dude.
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Pero... Okey, okey, mira...
CH
But... Okay, okay, look...
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Ahora, fjate... Es que, mira, okey... Yo,
VS
Now, look... Its cuz, look, okay... Me,
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esos mil bolas, I see if youre for real,
those thousand bucks, I see if youre for
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gey. If, si dices t, no, son mil bolas... O
real, dude. If, if you say, no, its a
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sea, t crees que me voy con tus bolas?
thousand bucks... I mean, you think Im

gonna take off with your dough?
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No, no, no, ni, n-...
CH
No, no, no, not even, n-...
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Okey.
VS
Okay.
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A mi los mil bolas me vienen valiendo
CH
I dont give a fuck about the thousand
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madre, gey. Yo voy y los sac del banco,
bucks, dude. I go and getem out of the
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y no hay pedo.
bank, and, no problem.
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Okey, so esos-esos mil bolas es para que
t te la-te la ests rifando conmigo, gey. If
for you to -for you to risk it with me,
you come through, well go for it. Me
dude. If you come through, well go for
entiendes? And then, que ya, yo ver billete,
it. You know? And then, when Ive
que ya vea algo de movimiento, a ver qu
already, once I see the money, once I
onda, gey. Me entiendes? If you for real,
see theres movement, well see what
o qu onda, gey. No tiene nada de malo,
we do, dude. Understand what I mean?
gey. Si eso es lo que estoy mirando para
If you for real or whats going on, dude.
yo asegurar que este gey sea... se haga
Theres nothing wrong with that, dude. If
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[UI] aqu contigo, vmonos fuerte. Fjate lo
thats what Im looking at to make sure
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que yo estoy haciendo, gey. Ese gordo y
that this dude is... that he [UI] here with
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la morra, gey, me van echando ojo ah en
you; well go in strong. Look at what Im
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la lnea, gey. Entiendes? Que verifiquen
doing, dude. That fat guy and the girl,
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que esa verga que vaya a cruzar; cruz y
dude, theyre gonna be keeping an eye
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est a toda madre, gey. Para que no
on things for me there at the border
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haiga un quemn, me entiendes? Que no
crossing, dude. Understand? They
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cruz y la verga [UI] ...
verify that that shits gonna get across;
VI
Okay, so those-those thousand bucks is
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that it crossed and is fucking great,
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dude. So no one gets burned, you
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know? That it didnt get across and shit
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[UI]...
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Uhm, so, basicamente este gey le- se va
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a ir pal graves, que es de seis de la tarde
gonna go to graves, which is from six
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a...
p.m. to...
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[OL] Pero, qu es graves?
CH
[OL] But, whats graves?
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[OL] ... est metiendo doce horas ese
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[OL] ... hes putting in twelve hours, that
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gey. Ah?.
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Qu es gray... grays?
CH
Whats gray... grays?
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Gray es de noche, gey, de seis a seis de
VI
Gray [sic] is at night, dude, from six to
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la maana.
VI
Uhm, so basically, this dude is-hes
dude. Huh?
six a.m.
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O sea, que tenemos que jalar en la noche.
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CH
In other words, weve gotta work at

night.
Tienen que... como sea, gey, tiene, eh, l
VI
me va-l me va a dar de lo que es el 1, 2,
to, uh, hes gonna-hes gonna give me
3, 4, y, luego, sabes como hay tres ms
what the 1, 2, 3, 4 are, and then, you
all... en el lado.
know, since there are three more
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Youve gotta... whatever, dude, he has
there... on the side.

Uh, pero, ests hablndome la garita vieja.
CH
Uh, but youre talking about the old port

of entry.
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La vieja-en la vieja, exactamente.
VI
The old one-in the old one, exactly.
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Okey.
CH
Okay.
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All. Okey? So, l... dijo que en dos, tres
VI
There. Okay? So, he said... he said that
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semanas, gey, que l ya-l ya me va a
in two, three weeks, dude, that hell
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dar... por... si es por la una, por la dos... Y
already-hell give me then... through... if
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yo le dije que-que dos... Es ms, dije... s,
its through one, through two... And I
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gey, lo que dura para que l me d
told him that-that two... Whats more, I
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exactamente por dnde se va ese pinchi
said... yeah, dude, the time it takes for
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carro. Porque no nos estaba diciendo mas
him to give me exactly where that damn
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de que-que de-que por la una y luego lo
cars going to go through. Because he
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cambian, gey. O sea, l-l me est
wasnt telling us other than-than-that
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garantizando cien por ciento, gey...
through one, and then theyd switch
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him, dude. In other words, he-hes
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guaranteeing me one hundred percent,
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dude...
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Que donde est, por ah voy a pasar.
CH
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That wherever hes at, thats where Im

gonna go through.
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E-l va a estar, l va a estar, seguro, el
schedule que l va a estar, para que me
sure, the schedule where hes gonna
d. Si es la una, l dos, la tres o la cuatro,
be, so he can tell me. If its one, two,
o-o... No s cmo est; me dijo de seis,
three or four, or-or... I dont know how
siete, no, a, b, c y d; no s qu, gey. Ya
its set up; he told me six seven... no, a,
sabes que estn as. Pero seguro, gey,
b, c, d; I dont know what, dude. You
en two, three weeks. As que dile a tu
know thats how theyre set up. But for
gente que en-dijo el morro que en dos
sure, dude, in two, three weeks. So tell
semanas, tres semanas mximo, l va a
your people that in-the guy said that in
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tener... me dice, seguro, gey, pa que
two weeks, three weeks at most, hes
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pasen cinco, seis, siete, as, me dijo este
gonna have... he tells me, for sure,
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gey, gey. As ests seguro que ese gey
dude, so five, six, seven, can go
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va a estar all, y no va a haber perros, no
through like that, this dude told me,
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va a haber nada, gey, nada, gey. As.
dude. That way youre sure that that
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Para que sea cien por ciento, porque l ya,
dude is gonna be there, and there arent
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l...
gonna be any dogs, or nuthin, dude.
VI
H-hes gonna be, hes gonna be, for
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Like that. So it can be one hundred
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percent, cuz he already, cuz he already,
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he...
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[OL] O sea, el bato sabe cundo hay
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perros, cuando no hay perros y...
CH
[OL] In other words, the dude knows

when theres dogs and when theres no
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dogs and...
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[OL] S, gey, l sabe.
VI
[OL] Yeah, dude, he knows.
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[OL] ... todo el pedo.
CH
[OL] ...the whole deal.
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[OL] l sabe. Pero cuando lo cambian, el
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[OL] He knows. But when they change
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routine, as, cuando est as, cuando se
the routine like that, when its like that,
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van de cargo y se vienen a un lugar as...
when they leave cargo and they come
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to a place like that...
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[OL] Cunto dura en cada lnea, gey?
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No sabes?
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No le pregunt, gey. Pero l me est...
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CH
[OL] How long does he stay in each

lane, dude? Dont you know?
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I didnt ask him, dude. But hes [ ] me...
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[OL] Porque...
CH
[OL] Because...
[OL] ...l me est diciendo de, eh, a la hora
VI
[OL] ... hes telling me that, uh, the time
y-y cul, por dnde van a pasar ustedes.
and-and which, where you guys are
Donde no haga tanto pinchi fila, gey...
gonna go through. Where theres not so

much of a stupid wait, dude...
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[OL] S, pues, ahi lo que te iba a decir,
gey, porque tambin, ah, ponle t que le
tell you, dude, cuz, that, too, uh, lets
den media hora al bato en una fila y la
say they give the dude a half an hour in
chingada, y que a la hora de la hora, pum,
a certain lane and shit, and then when
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me lo brinquen a la otra, o lo brincan de-de
its time to do it, bang, they switch him
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una fila pa la otra de ac, y, te puedes-
over to the other one, or they switch him
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uno cambiar de carril, o qu pedo?
from-from one lane to the other one
CH
[OL] Yeah, uh, thats what I was gonna
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over here, and, can you-can we switch
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over to another lane or whats the deal?
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Por eso l me dijo t-l me dijo ya la neta,
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me dijo, Two, three weeks, Victor, sta-te
honest, he told me, Two, three weeks,
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aseguro, gey, yo s exactamente dnde
Victor, itll-I can assure you, dude, Ill
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voy a estar, por dnde se vayan gey,
know exactly where Im gonna be;
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donde no va a haber perros. Y para m va
where they have to go through, dude;
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a ser as [click] el jale. As de fcil.
where there arent gonna be any dogs.
VI
Thats why he told me t-he told me,
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And the gigs gonna be like that [click]
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for me. That easy.
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Okey. Entonces el bato quiere...
CH
Okay. So the dude wants...
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[OL] El bato no-el bato no-el bato no quiere
VI
[OL] The dude doesnt-the dude
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ver a otra gente, gey. El bato est abierto
doesnt-the dude doesnt wanna see
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conmigo nada ms; no quiere cotorrear
other people, dude. The dudes open
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otra gente.
only to me; he doesnt wanna talk to
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other people.
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Pues que cotorree noms conmigo pa ya
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tener la seguridad, gey.
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Pos...
VI
Well...
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[OL] Mira, yo no-yo no...
CH
Look, I dont-I dont...
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[OL] [UI]
VI
[OL] [UI]
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Well he can talk just to me so we can

be sure already, dude.
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[OL] ... nunca...
CH
[OL] ... never...
[OL] ... pero, no s si me entiendes, ira,
VI
[OL] ... but, I dont know if youre
gey.
[13:15]
understanding me, look, dude.
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La feria no hay pedo, Vctor. Me
The moneys no problem, Victor. You
entiendes?
know?
[OL] No, yo s, gey, pero...
[OL] No, I know, dude, but...
[OL] La feria no hay pedo, pero fjate lo-
[OL] The moneys no problem, but, see,
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lo... o sea, como-como t dices, la
what-what... in other words, like you
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condicin que me pusieron all... Okey,
said, the condition I was given there...
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nosotros... si jalamos con ustedes o no
Okay, we... if we work with you or we
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jalamos, gey, nosotros vamos a seguir
dont work, dude, were gonna keep
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metiendo mercancia, gey.
bringing merchandise in, dude.
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[OL] No,yo s.
[OL] No, I know.
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[OL] De poquito en poquito, valiendo
[OL] Little by little, we dont five a fuck.
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madre. Se nos caen dos jales, se nos hace
Two jobs dont make it, one gets
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uno... pero con uno que peguemos, si se
through... but if we make it with one, if
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nos caen dos, ya con eso la hicimos, gey.
two fall through, we already made it with
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T sabes que con uno que pase se hace la
that one, dude. You know that if just
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feria, verdad? Okey. Te voy a hablar al
one gets across you make money,
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chile a t, gey, nosotros stamos metiendo
right? Okay. Im gonna give it to you
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herona, gey.
straight, dude, were sending in heroin,
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dude.
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Okey.
Okay.
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En carros, eh, de clavos de cinco kilitos y
In cars, uh, that have hidden
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la chingada, gey. Eh, si el bato es, es
compartments five little kilos and shit,
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trucha y la chingada, gey... Ira ahi st el
dude. Uh, if the dude is-is sharp and
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patrn hablndome, gey...
shit, dude... Look, theres the boss,

calling me, dude...
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Contsteme, contsteme. Si el bato es
CH
Answer me. Answer me. If the dudes
trucha, gey, o si el bato... Si el patrn
sharp, dude, or if the dude... If the boss
quiere ver si el bato es derecho, pues...
wants to see if the dudes straight,
Entonces...
well... So then...
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No, no, no, no. Las placas, me refiero a
que, eh, l sabe qu carro va a ser, me...
VI
No, no, no, no, no. The plates, I mean

that, uh, he knows what car its gonna
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be, you...
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[OL] Ah, s.
CH
[OL] Oh, yeah.
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[OL] [UI] va a decir, es una camioneta,
VI
[OL] [UI] gonna say, its a pick-up, dude,
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gey, entonces es una camioneta, gey,
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[UI]
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[OL] Es un-es una camioneta, fulanitas
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placas y la chingada, y yo se las voy a dar.
such plates and shit, and Im gonna
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Pero lo que yo...
giveem to him. But what I...
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[OL] Oye, y la herona, la ests cruzando
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as por tres kilos, eh?
then its a pick-up, dude, [UI].
CH
VI
[OL] Its a-its a pickup with such and
[OL] Listen, the heroin, youre bringing it

across like that, three kilos at a time,
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eh?
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Cinco kilos, gey...
CH
Five kilos, dude...
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[OL] S?
VI
[OL] Yeah?
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[OL] ...cinco kilitos y la verga, ac.
CH
[OL] ... five little kilos and
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Tengo tres choferes, gey. Ponlos a
VI
Ive got three drivers, dude. Put them to
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trabajar. [UI] una pinche feriecita, digo, los
work. [UI] little bit of money, I mean, the
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batos tienen licencia, tienen todo, gey.
dudes have a licence and theyve got
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everything, dude.
Tienen licencia, y... qu tienen?
CH
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Theyve got a license, and... what do

they have?
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[OL] Tienen todo, gey.
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VI
[OL] Theyve got everything, dude.
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Pero si... yo te estoy garantizando, gey.
[chuckles] Luz verde. Pasar. No un kilo,
[chuckles] Green light. It goes through.
gey; lo que t quieras, gey. Me
Not one kilo, dude; whatever you want,
entiendes? Y tantas veces que ustedes
dude. You understand? And as many
quieran, mientras que me pagues, gey.
times as you guys want, as long as you
VS
But if... Im guaranteeing you, dude.
pay me, dude.
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Mira, es que nosotros, gey...
CH
Look, dude, its just that we...
[OL] Me entiendes?
VI
[OL] Know what I mean?
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[OL] Nosotros pasamos lo que...
CH
[OL] We get across what...
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[OL] [UI]
VI
[OL] [UI]
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[OL] ... lo que nos caiga, gey, porque
CH
[OL] ... whatever we get, dude, cuz
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somos fleteros todos, si me entiendes? O
were all transporters, you know what I
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sea, tenemos mercanca nosotros y
mean? In other words, weve got
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tenemos todos. Y, pero, nosotros
merchandise, and weve got everything.
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pasamos. Pero si t me... por ejemplo, el
And, but, we get across. But if you... for
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primer jale de mota que t me pases, que
example, the first weed gig you get
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sea derecho, gey. Porque no te voy a
across for me, its gotta be straight,
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aventar un-quinientos kilos de herona o-o
dude. Cuz Im not gonna throw you a-
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de cocana y la chingada. Te voy a-te
five hundred kilos of heroin or-or
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estoy hablando con la neta, Vctor, eh?
cocaine and shit. Im gonna-Im giving it
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to you straight, Victor, eh?

As ests t conectado, Chente? Neta?
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Youve got those connections, Chente?

Honest?
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Pues, yo noms te estoy hablando con la
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neta porque te tengo confianza, gey.
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No, no, y-y,yo-yo s, gey. Yo...
CH
Well, Im just teling you the truth

because I trust you, dude.
VI
No, no, an-and, I-I know, dude. I...
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[1:06:42]
Dnde ests, Vctor? Dnde ests?
Aqu estoy en tu carro.
Dale para atrs, gey.
UM
Go back, dude.
Oh, ya te mir, gey.
VI
Oh, I saw you already, dude.
CH
Where are you, Victor? Were are you?

Im here at your car.
6
7
[1:08:17]
Chente.
VI
Chente.
Qu onda?
CH
Whats up?
10
Qu [UI]?
UM
What [UI] ?
11
Qu onda, compa?
CH
Whats up, compa?
12
[OL] [UI]
UM
[OL] [UI]
13
[OL] Este es mi chido, gey.
VI
[UI] This is my main man, dude.
14
[OL] Cmo est?
CH
[OL] How are you?
15
[OL] [UI]
UM
[OL] [UI]
16
Es todo.
CH
Thats all thats needed.
17
[OL] [UI] el chido de la movie.
VI
[OL] [UI] the star of the movie.
18
[OL] No, okay.
UM
[OL] Okay, yeah.
19
Oh.
CH
Oh.
20
Es el que va-es el que va a andar
VI
Hes the one whos gonna-hes the one
21
manejando [UI]
22
S, pa-pa que no haya errores, pues,
23
carnales; o sea, pa que noms... Que no
bros; I mean, so that we/you just... So
24
vaya a haber de que... ah, que fue una
theres not gonna be anything
25
mujer, o lo que sea, y... noms va a
happening like... oh, it was a woman
26
pasar. Pero ahi estamos.
or whatever, and... its just gonna get
thats gonna be there driving [UI].

CH
Yeah, so-so theres no mistakes, uh,
across. But were there.
27
28
Simn, ahi estamos.
UM
Right, were there.
29
Ahi estamos. Cualquier cosa que necesite,
CH
Were there. Anything you need, you
30
ya sabe, aqu con mi compa le dice, y ya
know already, you tell my compa here,
31
estamos.
and were agreed.
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[OL] [UI] simn...

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[OL] [UI] yeah.
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2
[1:08:40]
[OL] S?
CH
Okay?
[OL] ... ahi stamos.
UM
... were there/were agreed.
Okey. Ya est carnal, eh?
CH
Okay. Done, bro, eh?
[OL] [UI]
UM
[OL] [UI]
[OL] Orale.
VI
[OL] Alright.
[OL] Gracias. Nos vemos.
CH
[OL] Thanks. See you later.
Qu onda, gey?
UM
Whats up, dude?
10
No, aqu, gey.
VI
No, just here, dude..
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[IA]
12
[1:08:47]
[IA]
13
14
CD-4 10/16/09
15
16
[09:13]
17
18
Okey.
VI
Okay.
19
Entonces...
CH
So.
20
Yo puedo preguntarle preguntas?
VI
Can I ask him questions?
21
S, claro que s, pap...
CH
Yeah, of course you can, daddy...
22
Es que, mire, mire...
VI
Its cuz, look, look...
23
A eso viene.
CH
Thats what hes here for.
24
Por eso... Jefe, en la, uhm, los tiros-los
VI
Thats why... Boss, in the, uhm, the
25
tiros que vamos a hacer con este
shots-the shots were going to do with
26
camarada, el migra, compa mo, es de la
this guy, the migra [immigration officer],
27
verde o es de la blanca, compa? La neta,
whos my compa, is it the green stuff or
28
gey.
the white stuff, dude? The honest truth,

dude.
29
Podemos hablar al chile peln, o...?
AT
Can we talk openly, or...?
30
[OL] No, s, s...
VI
[OL] No, yeah, yeah...
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[OL] S, mire, mire compa...
CH
[OL] Yeah, look, look, pal...
[OL] ...quiero que me digan la neta [UI].
VI
[OL] ... I want you to tell me the honest

truth [UI].
[OL] ...eh, toda la confianza.
CH
[OL] ... uh, not holding anything back.
[OL] Este bato...
VI
This dude...
Mire, compa, yo muevo verde y blanca.
AT
Look, pal, I move green and white stuff.
Okey.
VI
Okay.
No le voy a echar mentiras. Y, ah, somos
AT
Im not gonna lie to you. And, uh, were
adultos, somos hombres y pos-te-cada
all adults, were men, and well, I-each of
uno tiene su jale y la chingada, verdad?
us has his own job and shit, right?
10
Pero, simn, yo muevo blanca y verde.
11
[OL] Simn.
VI
[OL] Right.
12
Pero, uh, si va a haber la puerta abierta,
AT
But, uh, if the doors gonna be open, uh,
13
este, pos me gustara...
14
[OL] Blanca.
VI
[OL] White.
15
... la blanca
AT
... the white stuff.
16
Est bien.
VI
Thats fine.
17
Simn, simn.
AT
Yeah, yeah.
18
Okey.
VI
Okay.
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Noms la-la cosa es que, ah, cmo-cmo
AT
Its just that-thing is that, uh, hows this
20
se va a hacer, o sea, cmo vamos a
gonna be done, I mean, how are we
21
trabajar? S me entiende? O sea, yo no
gonna work? Know what I mean? I
22
quiero errores...
mean, I dont want any mistakes...
23
Aj. No, no yo entiendo eso tambin.
VI
Uh-huh. No, no, I understand that, too.
24
Mira, yo tengo mi gente. Mi gente se va a
AT
Look, Ive got my people. My people are
25
encargar y yo voy a estar all
gonna handle it, and Im gonna be there
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asegurndome que todo est bien, y tomar
making sure everythings right, and take
27
la puerta [UI].
the door [UI].
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Uh-huh. Okey, s, est bien. Mira, el... mi
camarada me est, me-me est diciendo,
the... my guy is-he-hes telling me, uh,
uh, que los tiros... l me va a decir
that the shots... hes gonna tell me
exactamente cuando no hay cola, por
exactly when theres no wait time,
dnde y qu da, me entiendes? Y que
through where and what day, know
est cerca esa madre para que... cinco,
what I mean? And for that shit to be
diez minutos tardar... veinte minutos
close by so that... take five, ten
mximo, media hora mximo. Y todo ya
minutes... twenty minutes max. And
est ah.
everythings already there.
10
VI
Uh-huh. Okay, yeah, thats fine. Look,
[10:44]
11
12
[14:24]
13
14
You know, y como te digo, yo-yo si mando
15
el primero, no le voy a echar casi nada.
AT
You know, and like I told you, me-if I

send the first one, Im not going to put
16
almost nothing in it.
17
Aj.
VI
Uh-huh.
18
Porque yo-como te digo, yo quiero
AT
Cuz I... like Im telling you, I want to
19
asegurarme...
20
Simn.
VI
Right.
21
Si yo el primer pinche viaje, cramelo, yo
AT
If I do the first fucking trip, believe me,
22
le voy a meter diez kilos y ahi-ahi muere.
make sure...
Im gonna put ten kilos in and thats-
23
thats it.
24
Jefe...
VI
Boss...
25
Eh?
AT
Eh?
26
Jefe, yo soy Vctor Silva...
VI
Boss, Im Victor Silva...
27
Pos aqu estamos.
AT
So here we are.
28
Tengo un contratito de Direct TV. Se llama
VI
Ive got a small Direct TV contract; its
29
Direct TV y soy bien movido.
30
[14:47]
called Direct TV and I really hustle.
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2
[21:33]
Y si es la blanca, cunto le-cunto le, o
sea, cunto...
VI
And if its the white stuff, how much

would-how much would, I mean how
much...
[OL] Bueno...
AT
[OL] Well...
[OL] ...estamos hablando all para-pa
VI
[OL] ...are we talking about there to-to
decirle [UI] el primer tiro vas a hacer
tell him [UI] the first shot youre just not
geyes, gey.
gonna do much, dude.
10
Mira, el-el primero, lo voy a meter diez [UI]
AT
11
Look, the-the first one, I gonna put ten

[UI] in.
12
[UI]
VI
[UI]
13
Kilates
AT
Carats.
14
Noms?
VI
Thats all?
15
El primero.
AT
The first one.
16
Aj.
VI
Uh-huh.
17
Pa asegurarme. Ya me ha pasado.
AT
So I can be sure. Its happened to me
18
Okey? Mil...
19
Mil qu?
VI
One thousand, what?
20
El kilate. Y ya... sale bien, compa, nos
AT
A carat. And the... if it turns out okay,
21
vamos pa arriba.
22
S, si mil bolas por-por cada.. de la
23
grosera.
24
Simn. Ora si el bato quiere, yo le-como te
25
digo, va a ser la segunda o la tercera...
before. Okay? One thousand...
pal, well go up.

VI
Yeah, if its a thousand bucks for-for

each... of the nasty stuff.
AT
Right. Now, if the dude wants, Ill-like I

told you, its gonna be the second or the
third one....
26
[UI]
VI
[UI]
27
...yo le meto cajuelazo.
AT
... Ill do a trunkload.
28
Djeme platicarle bien [UI]. Me voy a abrir
VI
Let me tell you real [UI]. Im gonna open
29
con usted, compa. Me entiendes? Se me
up to you, pal. You understand me? I
30
hace muy poco. Yo te estoy garantizando
think its very little. Im guaranteeing you
31
mi vida, compadre, mi vida. Me
my life, compadre, my life. Know what I
32
entiendes? No voy a hacer eso por...
mean? Im not gonna do that for...
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[22:37]
2
3
[23:33]
4
5
Cirralo pa que te subas otra vez pa ac.
CH
Close it so you can get in again.
Dile que primero van a ser los 500 de
CH
Tell him that its first gonna be the 500
mota, y que si quiere le avientas los diez
of weed, and that if he wants youll
kilos de-de perico.
throw in the ten kilos of-of snow.
Nhombre, ya qued. Ya qued de...
AT
10
No, man, its done already. He already

agreed to...
11
Es que no-no, no, ahorita te va a decir el
CH
12
trato... no, que... porque se ve muy poquita
tell you the deal... no, cuz... cuz it
13
feria.
seems like theres too little money.
14
Es que s-pues se miraba bien ac, gey.
VI
15
Its cuz no, no, no, right now hes gonna
Its cuz, yeah-it looked like the real

thing, dude.
16
Y, checa?
CH
And did it check out?
17
Pues, s, pero la pinche espantada, gey.
VI
Well, yeah, but I got fuckin scared,
18
19
dude.
[24:41]
20
21
Too.
VI
Too.
22
A ver.
AT
Tell me.
23
Okey. El, ah-el, ah... se-se me hace muy
VI
Okay. The, uh-the, uh... it just seems
24
poco, no? No cree usted?
25
Qu tanto...?
AT
How much...?
26
Pos no s, digo...
VI
Uh, I dont know, I mean...
27
[OL] Qu ests pensando?
AT
[UI] How much are you thinking?
28
[OL] estamos hablando de la blanca...
VI
[OL] ...were talking about the white
like its too little, no? Dont you think so?
29
stuff...
30
[OL] Simn.
AT
[OL] Right.
31
[OL] y luego estamos hablando de uno por
VI
[OL] ... and then were talking about one
32
cada uno. Pos, maestro, come on...
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No, o sea, t dime, a-a ver si me conviene,
AT
No, I mean, you tell me, and-and Ill see
tambin.
Aj. Simn.
VI
Uh-huh. Right.
O sea, t me ests di-...
AT
I mean, youre telling me...
[OL] O sea...
VI
[OL] I mean...
[OL] Mira, hablando-hablando se entiende
AT
[OL] Look, its-its by talking that people
uno, s?
[OL] S, s. Aj.
VI
[OL] Yeah, yeah. Uh-huh.
[OL] S me entiendes?
AT
[OL] You understand me?
10
[OL] Aj. El punto de esto es de que se
VI
[OL] Uh-huh. Whats important here is
11
haga chilo.
for it to be done great.
12
[car door open].
[car door open]
13
[OL] No, no, eso es lo que quiero.
AT
No, no, thats what I want.
14
Aj, okey. Y el-y el punto de esto es de
VI
Uh-huh, okay. And the-whats important
15
que, ah, de-no es de que vamos a calar
here is that, uh, that-its not a matter of
16
primero, luego la segunda... No, no, desde
our trying it out first and then the
17
la primera adelante. Se te est ase-se te
second... No, no, from the first time,
18
est asegurando, me entiendes? El cien
forward, you know? One hundred
19
por ciento que pongas-lo que pongas all,
percent what you put-whatever you put
20
l te va a poner el nmero. l no te va a
there, hes gonna set the number for
21
cobrar por lo que... l te va a decir, sabes
you. Hes not gonna charge you based
22
qu, compa? Pun. Quiero tanto; me vale
on what... Hes gonna tell you, know
23
verga si sea lo que sea ah en, lo que
what, pal? Bang. I want x amount; I
24
tengas ah adentro. Me entiendes?
dont give a fuck if its whatever it is,
if its worth it for me, too.
can understand each other, right?
25
whatever you have in there. Know what
26
I mean?
27
[OL] Por...
AT
[OL] By...
28
Te est asegurando esa madre.
VI
Hes guaranteeing you that shit.
29
So bsicamente por carro, me ests
AT
So basically its per car, youre telling
30
diciendo.
31
Eh... vmonos fuerte, esta madre no es de
32
que mejor te pongo cinco changos, gey;
better set five assholes up for you,
33
deja... tumba dos y la...
dude; let... knock two out and then...
me.
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Uh... lets go strong, this isnt a frickin I
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[OL] No.
AT
[OL] No.
... la me-sube tres.
VI
... you get in-three go up.
[OL] Pero tambin t sabes con motivo...
AT
[OL] But you also know that because
Eh, en el primer jale, no le voy a meter
of... Uh, on the first job Im not gonna
ms de diez.
put in more than ten.
Aj.
VI
Uh-huh.
Ya si despus quiere cobrar por carro, yo
AT
Then, later, if you wanna charge per
le pago por carro. Yo, sabiendo que no se
car, Ill pay per car. Me, once I know the
me cay el primero... Sabes qu? Ya hay
first one didnt fall through... Know
10
confianza.
what? Theres trust now.
11
Aj.
VI
Uh-huh.
12
Lleg de punto A a punto B, no pas nada,
AT
It got from point A to point B, nothing
13
simn. Tampoco no vo a meter un... S
happened, okay. Im also not gonna try
14
me-s me entiendes? Un pinche cajuelazo
to get a [ ] through... Do you-you know
15
y a la verga.
what I mean? A trunk load and fuck

you.
16
Aj.Es que ira, yo s cmo est el precio
17
all, gey. l te [UI] todo. S me
price is over there, dude. Hell [UI] you
18
entiendes? O sea... y para garan-te est
everything. Know what I mean? In other
19
garantizando lo que t... Si t te quieres
words... and in order to guaran-hes
20
animar con diez noms pa calar el pinche
guaranteeing whatever you... If you
21
migra, me entiendes? Con diez, viejo,
wanna go ahead and just send ten in to
22
me entiendes? Con diez.... Eh... no-no le
test the fucking migra, you know? With
23
va a convenir a l.
ten, buddy, you know? With ten... Uh...
VI
24
Uh-huh. Its cuz, look, I know what the
no-its not gonna work out for him.
25
No, no, pero yo noms te estoy diciendo el
AT
No, no, but Im just saying for the first
26
primer jal-...
27
[OL] Porque le voy a decir a l...
VI
[OL] Cuz Im gonna tell him...
28
[OL] ...el primer jale. S me en-...? El
AT
[OL] ... the first gig. You know what...?
29
primero te estoy diciendo yo.
30
Aj.
gig...
The first ones what Im saying.

VI
Uh-huh.
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Ora, no pas nada. Okey. Noms dime
Now, nothing happened... Okay. Just
cundo y si quiere por carro, por carro, y a
tell me when, and if he wants it per car,
ver si me conviene tambin, s me
[itll be] per car, and Ill also have to see
entiendes? Ora, t dime, o sea, t me
if it works for me, know what I mean?
preguntastes.
Now, you tell me, I mean, you asked
me.
Yo pens que ibas a decir, sabes qu?
VI
I thought you were gonna say, know
Cuatro por cada una mnimo, o algo. Algo
what? A minimum of four each time, or
bonito...
something. Something nice...
10
[OL] Ay, no.
AT
[OL] Ay, no.
11
[OL] ...que para que valga la pena.
VI
[OL] ...to make it worthwhile.
12
Pues tampoco, no... No lo estoy
AT
But not that either, no... Im not buying
13
comprando, s me entiendes?
14
Aj.
VI
Uh-huh.
15
Y no, eh, ese es, como te digo, el primer
AT
And, no, uh, thats the, like I told you,
16
jale. De que se va a hacer ms, se va a
the first gig. That were gonna do more
17
hacer, pero, como te digo, quiero
or not, were gonna do more, but, like I
18
asegurarme que... No pas nada, okey,
told you, I want to make sure that...
19
nos aventamos algo grande.
Nothing happened, okay, well do
him, know what I mean?
something big.
20
21
[27:58]
22
Se- se va a hacer pa tras.
VI
Hes-hes gonna back out.
23
No, no, pues, ah...
AT
No, no, well, uh...
24
Yo s que se va a hacer. No, es que-es
VI
I know hes going to. No, its cuz-cuz,
25
que, mira...
26
Tambin, mira, hablando se entienden las
27
cosas, s me entiendes?
look...
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AT
Also, look, when people talk things out,

they understand each other, you know?
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No, pos sbele poquito ms. Porque ira,
as como... a como l va a ganar, jefe, yo
like... just as hes gonna come out
voy a ganar, y mi Chente va a ganar. Me
ahead, boss, Im gonna come out
entiende, jefe? Por eso es de que la
ahead and my Chentes come out
verdad, s, no, digo, o sea, tenemos que
ahead. You understand, boss? Thats
ah poner bien un nmero ah. Estoy...
why, honestly, yeah, no, I mean, that is,
VI
No, well, raise it more. Cuz, look, just
weve gotta put the number there right.

Im...
[UI]
[UM]
[UI]
Te estoy preparando algo chido ah.
VI
Im getting something ready for you
10
there real nice.
11
Cunto quieres, Vctor? T... unos dos y
AT
How much do you want, Victor? You...
12
medio? Tres?
13
[UI] Sbele ms. Mtele ah cuarenta.
14
Clele cuarenta. Se lo estoy garantizando,
forty. Im guaranteeing it, boss. Go
15
jefe. Sbele ah ms chinga, o sea, no
higher with that shit, I mean, dont fuck,
16
mamen, gey. Si este gey est
dude. If this dudes risking his job, dude.
17
arriesgando su jale, gey. O sea, me
I mean, you understand? Hes
18
entiendes? Me est garantizando. Se
guaranteeing it to me. The mother
19
quiere retirar el puto aqu, gey. El bato es
fucker wants to retire here, dude. The
20
de-es de mi edad, gey.
guy is-hes my age, dude.
21
Lo conoces bien, dices, verdad?
AT
You say you know him well, right?
22
S, fue a la escuela conmigo y todo, gey.
VI
Yeah, he went to school with me and
some two and a half? Three?

VI
23
[UI] Go higher. Put forty in there. Try
all, dude.
24
[OL] Y l, l no va a parar...
CH
[OL] And he-hes not gonna stop...
25
[OL] El jugaba basquetbol y todo. Ah?
VI
[OL] He played basketball and all. Huh?
26
[OL] l no va a parar hasta que-hasta que
CH
[OL] Hes not gonna stop until-until he
27
l se canse.
28
[28:58]
gets tired.
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[OL] S, gey, el bato se quiere retirar aqu,
gey. l manda a la verga el jale y se hace
here, dude. He sends his job to hell and
su feria y vamos a vagar. Me entiendes?
makes his money, and lets go travel.
Pero, ey, no mames, gey. O sea, le voy a
You know? But, uh, dont fuck, man. I
decir, Ey, gey, este gey me quiere dar
mean, Im gonna tell him, Hey, dude,
tanto, gey. O sea, no, gey. O sea, [UI]
this dude wants to give me x amount,
este gey ya ha jalado, gey. Me
dude. I mean, no, dude. I mean, [UI]
entiendes? O sea, no, eh... si me dijo
this guy has worked already, dude. You
que...era a m porque me conoce bien,
know? I mean, not, uh... if he told me
10
gey. Me le abr bien, gey. Sabes qu,
that... he told me because he knows me
11
gey, quiero hacer una feria, let me know.
well, dude. I opened up to him the right
VI
Yeah, dude, the guy wants to retire
12
way, dude. Know what, dude, I wanna
13
make some money, let me know.
14
[UI]
UM
15
S le calaste [UI]?
AT
Did you check the [UI]?
16
S, s le [UI]
CH
Yeah, I did [UI].
17
Pnme un nmero bueno ah, Chente.
VI
Give me a good number there, Chente.
18
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19
Qu te parece...
AT
How does [ ] sound to you?
20
[OL] Lo que diga el pinche Chente, no
VI
[OL] Whatever fuckin Chente says,
21
seas mamn, gey, Chente. Chente.
dont be an asshole, dude, Chente.
22
Chente...
23
Treinta kilates, qu te parece?
AT
Thirty carats, what do you think?
24
[UI] Pgala bien. [UI]
VI
[UI] Pay it right. [UI]
25
Treinta kilates, dos y medio. Qu te
AT
Thirty carats, two and a half. How does
26
parece?
that sound?
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Translation
Es muy bajo. Mira, pnme un-un nmero
ah, gey. Pnme un nmero, gey. Yo
there, dude. Put a number there for me,
tengo casi dos pinchis... un mes, gey, me
dude. Its been almost two damn...a
entiendes, que... no, dos, tres semanas,
month, dude, you know, that... no, two,
gey, que este bato se abri. Me dijo,
three weeks, dude, since this guy
sabes qu, aliviname con algo. O sea, yo
opened up to me. He told me, know
te estoy garantizando el pinchi flete, gey.
what, help me out with something. I
Eso es aparte todava de lo que segn l
mean, Im guaranteeing you the fucking
le iban a pagar ac! Le llego con esa
cargo/transportation, dude. Thats aside
10
mamada, gey... no, pues, no. Mejor
from what, according to him, he was
11
bscale por otro lado, gey. Algo chido. Te
gonna get paid over here! If I go to him
12
estoy garantizando, compa. O sea, no-no
with that shitty offer, dude... no, well,
13
son mamadas de que [UI] se me va a
no. Youd better look somewhere else,
14
caer...
dude. Something nice. Im guaranteeing
VI
Its too low. Look, give me a-a number
15
it, buddy. I mean, its-its not this shit
16
about [UI] its gonna fall through...
17
18
[OL] Es que tambin...
[OL] Its cuz...
19
[OL] ... No. O sea...
[OL] ... No. I mean...
20
[OL] ... cuatro se me hace un poco alto,
[OL] ... four also seems a bit too high to
21
tambin. S me entiendes?
me. Know what I mean?
22
Mtale ah cien, compa. Mtale ah cien, y
Put a hundred in there, pal. Put a
23
si no la... no le saca uste all. O sea, este
hundred in there, and if you dont...
24
bato te lo est garantizando, gey. No. O
dont make it up, up there. I mean, this
25
sea... Ey, gey, te-el pinchi... No, gey.
guy is guaranteeing it, dude. No. I
26
[chuckles] Come on, cabrn. De-de
mean... Hey, dude, he-the fucking... No,
27
chango y luego-luego pongo un migra,
dude. [chuckles] Come on, man. From
28
gey, y... nada.
a-from just any kid there and [then] right
29
away I place a migra there, dude, and...
30
nothing.
31
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33
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No, jefe, es que tambin me est poniendo
VI
algo que... Yo ni conozco aqu al seor
something here that... I dont even know
Too, gey, me entiendes? Si es la
Tony, here, dude, you know? If its the
primera, y lo que t me ests diciendo es
first one, and what youre telling me is
tu patrn, gey. Yo te estoy garantizando a
hes your boss, dude. Im guaranteeing
t ese flete, gey.
you that shipment, dude.
Tres y medio...
AT
Three and a half...
[OL] Cuatro...
VI
[OL] Four...
[OL] qu te parece?
AT
[OL] ... how does that sound to you?
10
[OL] Cuatro, viejo, y ya amarramos el trato.
VI
[OL] Four, pal, and well seal the deal.
11
[OL] Tres, tres y medio.
AT
[OL] Three, three and a half.
12
[OL] Cuatro. Avintale lo que t quieras
VI
[OL] Four. Throw whatever you want
13
ah. Yo me aliviano ah, y le digo que [UI]
into it. Ill be cool and tell him that [UI] Ill
14
le digo que es de la verde, gey. Para que
tell him its the green stuff, dude. So he
15
no se me apendeje, gey, porque va a
doesnt act stupid, dude, cuz he gonna
16
querer ms. Estamos hablando de la
want more. Were talking about the
17
blanca, no [UI] Es un billetn; yo s lo que
white stuff, not [UI]. Its big money: I
18
vale cada kilo all, gey.
know what each kilo is worth over there,
19
20
No, boss, its cuz youre also proposing
dude.
[32:59]
21
22
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23
Mira, eh, estamos haciendo mucho, mucho
24
rodeo. Mira...
AT
Look, uh, were making too much,

beating around the bush too much.
25
Look...
26
[OL] T no, t-t pon...
VI
[OL] You dont, you-you put down...
27
[OL] ... dile, mira...
AT
[OL] ... tell him, look...
28
[OL] ... buen nmero, gey, y yo te-en, en
VI
[OL] ... a good number, dude, and Ill-in,
29
menos de una semana nos aventamos el
in less than a week well do the first
30
primer flete, compa.
shipment, pal.
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Translation
Mira, el primer jale, treinta... treinta kilates
AT
y cuatro. Pero ahora con el otro tambin, y
and four. But now with the other one,
el segundo que-que sea algo bueno.
too, and the second one will be-will be
Look, the first job, thirty... thirty carats
something good.
Est bien?
CH
Is that okay?
Est bien
VI
Okay.
[33:48]
VI
No, he already knew, dude. Go say
8
9
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10
11
No, ya saba, gey. Vaya a que lo salude,
12
guey, est all.
13
Tu-qu no quiere entrar?
CH
Your-doesnt he want to come in?
14
No, no, quiere entrar el gey.
VI
No, no, the dude doesnt wanna come
hello to him, dude, hes there.
15
in.
16
Qu?
AT
What?
17
No, no quiere [UI].
VI
No, he doesnt want to [UI].
18
[UI]
UM
[UI]
19
[UI]
UM
[UI]
20
Mira, es el jefe, gey.
VI
Look, hes the boss, dude.
21
Qu onda [UI]?
UM
Whats up?
22
Qu onda, compa? Qu dice?
AT
Whats up, man? How are you?
23
Qu onda?
UM
Whats up?
24
Ey.
UM
Hey.
25
[UI] No, es que, pues, es que ellos [UI] y
VI
[UI] No, its cuz, uh, they [UI] and
26
todo [UI].
27
Cmo?
UM
What?
28
Sprate [UI].
VI
Wait [UI]
29
Quera saber, noms quera ver quin era
AT
I wanted to know, I just to see who you
30
usted, me entiende, saber quin era.
everything [UI].
were, you know, know who you were.
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Oh, simn. No, no, ya... compa, todo chila.
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Translation
VI
Oh, right. No, no, weve already...

compa, everythings cool.
Simn.
AT
Right.
Estamos... metidos, no?
VI
Were... in it, right?
Cmo no? Y s [UI] estar con este bato.
UM
Sure. And yeah [UI] be with this dude.
S me entiende?
Know what I mean?
6
7
Mm hm.
AT
Mm hm.
O sea, ya...ah [UI]
UM
In other words, [UI] there.
Y que, no, well, ya te explic l por qu...
AT
And that, no, well, he already explained
10
Ya le dijiste el por qu?
to you why... You already told him why?
11
S, ya.
UM
Yeah, I did.
12
S me entiendes? Uh...
AT
You know what I mean? Uh...
13
Ya est.
UM
Its done.
14
Sin hablar mucho, s me entiendes?
AT
Without saying too much, you know? A
15
Tambin uno... tiene que...
16
Orita-orita te marco...
UM
Ill-Ill call you in a minute...
17
Sale pues.
VI
Okay, then.
18
Orale.
UM
Alright.
19
Simn.
AT
Right.
20
[1:20:00]
CH
And I like to talk clearly. Why? Cuz we
person also ...has to...
21
22
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23
24
[24:10]
25
26
Y me gusta-y me gusta hablar claro. Por
27
qu? Porque todos queremos hacer un
28
billete.
29
Simn.
UM
Right.
30
La neta, o sea, si...
CH
The honest truth, I mean, if...
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Translation
Y te digo, est pelada. Yo le dije a este
gey, est bien pelada. Pero hay dos
dude, its real easy. But there are two
cosas que no tengo control, gey.
things I dont control, dude.
Qu son?
CH
What are they?
Que-que puedes llegar y la misma
UM
That-that you can get there and the
computadora [snap] te manda pa atrs.
computer itself [snap] sends you back.
Me entiendes?
Know what I mean?
Uh-huh.
CH
Uh-huh.
Esas cosas en que no puedes hacer-no
UM
Those things when you cant do-you
10
UM
tienes control sobre ese jale, gey.
And Im telling you, its easy. I told this
dont have any control over that
11
situation, dude.
12
Pero...
CH
But...
13
Pero casi nunca pasa, gey. S me
UM
But it almost never happens, dude. You
14
entiendes?
15
Aj.
CH
Uh-huh.
16
Es de esas madres de que...
UM
Its one of those shitty things that...
17
Es muy raro, es, eh...
CH
It hardly ever happens, its, uh...
18
[OL] Es muy raro, gey.
UM
[OL] It hardly ever happens, dude.
19
Aj.
CH
Uh-huh.
20
Es muy raro. Pero...
UM
It hardly ever happens. But...
21
[OL] Y luego...
CH
[OL] And then...
22
[OL] Por eso te digo... como... a veces te
UM
[OL] Thats why Im telling you... like...
23
mueven, pues. Te, eh, eh, te...
know?
uh, sometimes they move you. They,
24
uh, uh, they...
25
[OL] Ti-ustedes son...
CH
[OL] Ha-youre...
26
[OL] S, s, pero yo te puedo decir a t
UM
[OL] Yeah, yeah, but I can tell you
27
cundo. Hay das que no hay nada, pues,
when. There are days when theres
28
que-que t vas a llegar y-y no [UI] el primer
nothing, uh, when-when youre gonna
29
carro, y dale. S me entiendes? Si vienen
get there and-and no [UI] the first car,
30
dos, tres carros, me vale.
and go at it. You know what I mean? If
31
its two, three cars coming, I dont give a
32
damn.
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Translation
O-o-okay. Cmo se te hace ms pelada a
CH
O-o-okay. How does it seem easier for
t? En la maana, en la noche?
En la noche.
UM
At night.
En la noche? Y ahorita ests en qu
CH
At night? And right now, what shift do
turno?
En la noche.
UM
At night.
Oh, pues, ahorita est al [UI].
CH
Oh, well, right now I its [UI] .
Mm.
UM
Mm.
Ok-... Qu quieres que hagamos
CH
Ok-... What do you want us to do, I
you? In the morning or at night?
you have?
10
nosotros, o sea... Bueno, pues, la neta, en
mean... Well, uh, bottom line, with the
11
el primer jale se tiene que romper el hielo.
first gig we gotta break the ice. In other
12
O sea...
words...
13
Mm hm.
UM
Mm hm.
14
Tenemos que romper el hielo y cada quien
CH
We gotta break the ice and everyone
15
agarrar confianza. Yo lo que quera era
feel more trust. What I wanted was to
16
platicar contigo...
talk to you...
17
S.
18
[25:11]
UM
Yeah.
UM
No, theres no-no problem on my
19
20
[34:30]
21
22
No, pa m, no, no hay pedo. S me
23
entiendes?
24
El-el chiste es tener una feria...
account. Know what I mean?

CH
25
Whats-whats important is to have

some money...
26
Aj.
UM
Uh-huh.
27
Pero, uh, yo quiero que t te sientas
CH
But, uh, I want you to feel calm; for you
28
tranquilo; que t te sientas a gusto para
to feel comfortable so we can work well.
29
poder trabajar bien. Y yo tambin me
I also wanna feel comfortable and calm,
30
quiero sentir a gusto, y tranquilo, me
you know? In other words, with...
31
entiendes? O sea, con...
32
Y luego ese da que te vas a tirar... hasta
33
all? Hasta arriba?

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And then, that day when youre gonna

dive in... all the way? All the way north?
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Translation
No, es... aqu dejo yo las cosas.
CH
No, its... I leave the stuff here.
Aqu?
UM
Here?
S. O sea... haz de cuenta que t no te
CH
Yeah. I mean... just figure you dont
tienes que preocupar por eso, porque...
No, eh, s, gey. Porque estos... si-si
algo... digamos con esa madre, se va...
[OL] [UI] No, no, no.
CH
[OL] [UI] No,no, no.
Sabes? Van y lo agarran [UI] se van pa
UM
You know? They go and they get [UI]
trs los jijos a mirar a qu horas y todo
the s.o.b.s go back and look at what
10
eso.
time and all that.
11
E-eso-eso es lo que-eso es lo que te iba a
12
decir, eh, nosotros, en el mismo carro que
gonna tell you, uh, we, we never go
13
pasamos, nunca subimos, gey.
north in the same car we come across
have to worry about that, cuz...

UM
No, yeah, I do, dude. Cuz these... if-if

something... lets say that shit, goes...
CH
14
Th-that-thats what-thats what I was
in, dude.
15
Mm hm.
UM
Mm hm.
16
O sea, eso... o-yo me lo s de todas...
CH
I mean, that... or-I totally know how
17
everything works...
18
[OL] Okey.
UM
[OL] Okay.
19
...todas, gey, o sea, yo me las s de
CH
... totally, dude, I mean, I totally know
20
todas todas. Yo, eh, cruzo, bajo, cruzo,
how things work. I, uh, come across,
21
bajo, cruzo, bajo, y ya que tenga un
unload, come across, unload, come
22
chingazo, lo subimos en un troque.
across, unload, and once weve got a
23
fucking load, we take it up in a truck.
24
Mm hm.
UM
Mm hm.
25
Yo te explico a t el jale porque yo te tengo
CH
Im explaining how the jobs done to
26
confianza por este bato, gey.
you, cuz I trust you because of this
27
dude, man.
28
Mm hm.
UM
Mm hm.
29
O sea, no, no te preocupes de que, Ay...
CH
In other words, dont worry about, Ay...
30
que, que... Que esas cosas se vayan a ir
31
en...
32
[OL] Simn.
UM
[OL] Right.
33
[OL] ...ese mismo rato...
CH
[OL] ... right then...
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Translation
[OL] S, no.
UM
[OL] Yeah, no.
[OL] ...pa arriba, no. Por lo mismo, en
CH
[OL] ... up north, no. Because of that
cuanto cruce, ah est tu feria.
same reason, as soon as it gets across,

theres your money.
Aj.
UM
Uh-huh.
En cuanto cruce ah est tu feria. Nada de
CH
As soon as it gets across, theres your
que Ay, que voy a ir a Los Angeles, y
money. None of this stuff that, Ay, Im
luego vengo, y luego me voy a ir pa all...
gonna go to Los Angeles, and Ill be
back later, and then Im gonna go over
there...
10
[OL] Mm hm.
UM
[OL] Mm hm.
11
[35:35]
12
[OL] ... y-y esprate dos das que llegue la
CH
[OL] ... an-and wait two days until the
13
feria, porque muchos geyes se la pasan
money gets here, cuz a lot of dudes do
14
as.
things like that.
15
Mm hm.
UM
Mm hm.
16
No. Cruzando y pagndola.
CH
No. As soon as it gets across it gets
17
paid.
18
Mm hm.
UM
Mm hm.
19
Para qu? Para que t te sientas a gusto.
CH
Why? So that you can feel comfortable.
20
Tengas tu feriecita. Yo me sienta a gusto y
So you have your money. So I can feel
21
tenga mis cosas.
comfortable and have my stuff.
22
Mm hm.
UM
Mm hm.
23
Y as, vamos a jalar bien. Vamos a jalar
CH
And like that, were gonna work fine.
24
bien. Vamos a trabajar bien.
Were gonna work fine. Were gonna
25
work fine.
26
[OL] S, que tienen que ser bien truchas en
UM
27
ese jale porque est cabrn, gey. O sea,
this business cuz its a bitch, dude. I
28
hay muchas [UI] hay muchos y noms
mean, theres lots of [UI] there are a lot
29
andan mirando qu onda, gey.
of em, and theyre just checking to see
30
[OL] Yeah, youve gotta be real sharp in
whats up, dude.
31
Y no podemos... Es lo que yo le digo, no-
32
no podemos estarnos relacionando como...
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CH
And we cant... Thats what Im telling

you, we-we cant be social like...
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[OL] Este domingo tu... No te pudo estar...
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Translation
UM
[OL] This Sunday your... I cant be [ ]

you...
[OL] [UI] ... como camaradas.
CH
[OL][UI] ... like pals.
[OL] Aj.
UM
[OL] Uh-huh.
[OL] Aj. No nos podemos... lo menos que
CH
[OL] Uh-huh. We cant... see each
podamos estarnos viendo as,
other, like this, directly as little as
directamente. Pero, s, por ejemplo, como
possible. But, yeah, for example, like
t dices, Ah, pues, maana nos vemos
you said, Uh, tomorrow well meet over
all en Yuma. Vamos al pinche casino,
there in Yuma. Lets go to the fucking
10
pero no en el casino.
casino, but not at the casino.
11
[OL] Pero, por eso te deca yo...
UM
[OL] But, thats why I was telling you...
12
[OL] [UI]
CH
[OL] [UI]
13
[OL] Este gey, yo-yo con este gey, s
UM
[OL] This dude, me-me with this dude,
14
me entiendes? Sabes qu? Ta-ta. Y este
you understand what Im saying?...
15
gey ya va a saber que [snap] est as el
Know what? Ta-ta. And this dudes
16
[UI].
gonna know [snap] that the [UI] is like

so.
17
18
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19
20
[37:34]
21
Vas a pedir un mes para [UI]?
UM1
Are you gonna ask for a month to [UI]?
22
No. [UI]
UM
No. [UI]
23
[UI]
UM1
[UI]
24
No creo.
UM
I dont think so.
25
[UI] Que porque metiera ah sin mucho [UI]
UM1
[UI] Cuz you could put it in there without

much [UI].
26
No, no, no. Noms les digo que no vengo
27
[UI]...
28
[OL] No, no...
UM1
[OL] No, no...
29
[OL] [UI] a nadie.
UM
[OL] [UI] to anybody.
30
S, pues, carnal.
UM1
Well, yeah, bro.
UM
No, no, no. Id just tell them Im not

coming in [UI].
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Translation
[OL] Es un mximo. Eso, no. Como ah no
UM
hay pedo, gey. Eso no tiene nada que
theres no problem there, dude. Thats
ver, me entiendes?
got nothing to do with it, you know?
Mm hm.
CH
Mm hm.
Puedes [UI] cosas [UI] Pero, pero lo...
UM
You can [UI] things [UI] But,but the...
como ese, en eso los-ya no tiene sentido.
like in that case, in that, the-it doesnt
Ah no hay-no hay nada que yo pueda
make any sense anymore. There
hacer [UI].
theres nothing-theres nothing that I
[OL] Its a maximum. Not that. Since
can do [UI].
CH
No, but there just... there, yeah, help
10
No, pero ah noms... ah, s, hazme el
11
paro con eso. O sea, noms cirrame el
me out with that. I mean, just wink your
12
pinchi ojo. O hazme una clave ac, que...
fucking eye. Or give me a code here,
13
as que vas pa tras, o...
like... like you walk backwards, or...
14
[OL] Mm hm.
UM
[OL] Mm hm.
15
[OL] Algo que no se mire, porque yo s
CH
[OL] Something that they cant see, cuz
16
que ellos-les tienen un pichi cmara y todo
I know they-they got a fucking camera
17
ese pedo, verdad?
and all that shit, right?
18
Mm hm, simn.
UM
Mm hm, right.
19
Ah, pues, algo as, como que tas parado...
CH
Uh, well, something like that, like youre
20
standing there...
21
[OL] Mm hm.
UM
[OL] Mm hm.
22
[OL] ... o algo as que no te mire a t la
CH
[OL] ... or something like that that the
23
cmara, y...
24
[OL] Com tacos. Com tacos y una torta.
camera wont see you, and...

VI
25
[OL] I had some tacos. I had some

tacos and a torta.
26
Onde... de dnde vienes, gey?
27
Vienes de comer tacos? No, pos simn.
dude? Are you coming back from eating
28
Y yo... a la verga: yo me salgo corriendo
tacos? No, man, yeah, and me... fuck it
29
del carro...
all; Ill run out of the car...
30
[OL] Si.
UM
[OL] Yeah.
31
[OL] Simn, no, pues, [UI]
VI
[OL] Yeah, no, man, [UI].
32
[OL] ... me entiendes? Y ah que se
CH
[OL] ... you know? And that can just
33
quede.
CH
Where... where are you coming from,
stay there.
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[OL] Ahi que se quede.
VI
[OL] That can just stay there.
Simn, eso [UI].
UM
Yeah, that [UI].
Andale, s. De dnde viene? De
CH
Yeah, thats it. Where are you coming
Mexicali. Vienes de comer tacos? Okey.
from? From Mexicali. Are you coming
Simn.
back from eating tacos? Okay. Yeah.
Mm hm.
UM
Mm hm.
Va pa... Yo le corro, a la verga.
CH
There I... Ill take off, fuck it all.
[38:31]
[40:12]
CH
You just say that to me. Whats up,
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T noms dime eso. Qu onda?
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Deonde vienes? De Mexicali. Seor,
where are you coming from? From
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viene de comer tacos? Y, uua la verga,
Mexicali. Sir, are you coming back from
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yo me voy a salir como pedo y el carro
eating tacos? And uua fuck it, Ill take
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atrs.
off like a fart and the cars behind.
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[OL] S.
UM
[OL] Yeah.
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Y ya t juegas la parte como que...
CH
And then you play the part like...
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[OL] ... que te correteo.
UM
[OL] ...like Im chasing you.
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[OL] S, ya [UI]
CH
[UI] Yeah, then [UI].
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[OL] Ya, pues, ah de volada est, me
UM
[UI] And yeah, from there, its real close,
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entiendes?
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you know?
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Exacto. Nosotros ya hicimos el jale, y a
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nosotros nos dan nuestra feria. Y a m me
they give us our dough. And I dont give
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vale verga si se les cae o la verga, lo que
a fuck if it falls through for them or
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sea.
whatever.
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[UI] cunto llevaste [UI]?
UM
[UI] how much did you take [UI]?
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Quince kilos.
CH
Fifteen kilos.
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Exactly, we already did the gig, and
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Quince noms?
UM
Just fifteen?
Quince kilos de cristal, gey. O sea, que
CH
Fifteen kilos of crystal, dude. I mean,
los batos lo que queran era noms saber
what the dudes wanted was just to
qu pedo. El otro viaje va a ser ms feria,
know what it was about. The other trip
gey, y va a ser ms kilos. Pero yo-yo
is going to be more dough, dude, and
siempre te voy a halbar con la neta, gey.
its gonna be more kilos. But I-Im
always going to tell you the honest
truth, dude.
Mm hm.
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[15:56]
UM
Mm hm.
UM
The problem is weve gotta go. Well,
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[36:54]
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El pedo es que tenemos que ir. Pues,
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vamos y...los batos te van a hablar o
well go and... are the dudes gonna call
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qu?
you or what?
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S. No, no, ellos me va a traer la feria a m.
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Eh, t no te preocupes por la feria.
CH
Yeah. No, no, theyre gonna bring me

the dough. Uh, dont worry about the
dough.
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S?
UM
Yeah?
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El jueves me la va-el jueves van a traerme
CH
On Thursday theyll-theyre gonna bring
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la feria. El jueves yo te la voy a dar a t
me the moolah on Thursday. Ill give it
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[UI].
to you on Thursday [UI].
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Okey. T me hablas entonces, el jueves.
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UM
Okay. You call me then on Thursday.
CH
And did you already get a bitchin
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Y ya te lo tatuaste, machin?
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tattoo?
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Pues, todava no, gey. Todava no me ha
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dado nada, gey.
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No, pues ya te di treinta mil bolas, a la
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verga.
UM
Uh, not yet, dude. It/she hasnt given

me anything, yet.
CH
No, well, it/she already gave you thirty

thousand bucks, fuck!
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No, pues, s, pero todava no acabo, gey.
S me entiendes, gey? Pero, s me lo-
dude. But, I am gonna get-Ill get it put
despus me lo voy a poner, pero noms
on later, but just where no one can see
donde nadie lo mire, gey. Pero, s...
it, dude. But, yeah...
Una pinche de esa madre, de oro, machin.
Luego vamos a Los Angeles y agarramos
got to L.A. later and get a bitchin one,
una perrona, ac.
real tough.
De Santa Muerte?
UM
Of the Holy Death?
S, gey.
CH
Yeah, dude.
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UM
CH
No, well, yeah, but Im still not done,
A real bitchin gold one of those. Well
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SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA
U.S. ATTORNEYS OFFICE
BILINGUAL
TRANSCRIPTION AND TRANSLATION
Interview on a Digital Video File
United States vs. Ortiz, Oscar

10CR3986-BTM
Prepared for Assistant U.S. Attorney Aaron Clark

by
Ruth A. Smith
Federally Certified Interpreter
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SUMMARY
Excerpts of several recorded conversations on April 14, 2010, May 25, 2010, June 19, 2010 and September
14, 2010. The excerpts are transcribed and translated.
The interview is reproduced on a DVD
The times in the middle column refer to the time as played back on Media Player Classic, version 11.
LEGEND
CHE- MALE VOICE - Chente
ORT - MALE VOICE - Ortiz, Oscar
[IA]: INAUDIBLE
[OL]: OVERLAP
[UI]: UNINTELLIGIBLE
[ph]: PHONETIC
/:
Two or more words separated by a / are options, due to lack of clarity or specificity in the original
language.
[]:
Text within brackets are inserts by the translator to aid in comprehension. After you, [pl] indicates
the plural form used in Spanish.
Pause in utterance. Unfinished or interrupted.
...:
Italics: Source language is English

Normal font: Source language is Spanish
I, Ruth A. Smith, Interpreter Certified by the ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE OF THE UNITED STATES COURTS,
Certificate Number 08-028, declare that I am fluent in the English and Spanish languages, and that I transcribed
and translated a video recording, the contents of which appear below, to the best of my ability on or about March
11th, 2011, in San Diego, California.
Ruth A. Smith
(619) 573-2925
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[4/14/10 DVD]
CHE
- S, s, s. Ah noms de ponernos las pilas...
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[4/14/10 DVD]
CHE
11:05
- Yes, yes, yes. Just to get our act
together...
ORT
- S.
CHE
- ...noms de volada. Ahorita qu turno ests
- ...right away. Right now, what shift are
agarrando?
you on?
ORT
- Yes.
CHE
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ORT
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- En la tarde.
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CHE
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- En la tarde?
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ORT
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- Simn. Voy para noche otra vez.
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CHE
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- O, o algo chiquillo as, algo que no te traiga
- Or, or something small like that,
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broncas. Algo...
something that doesnt cause you trouble.
ORT
- In the afternoon.
CHE
- In the afternoon?
ORT
- Yeah. Im going in the evening again.
CHE
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Something...
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ORT
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- Cmo chiquillo?
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CHE
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- Por ejemplo, pus si, si metemos...es...es
- For example, uh, if, if we bring in...its...its
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que no...no s cmo arregl el Vctor contigo de
that I dont...I dont know how Victor worked
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precio y todo eso.
the price out with you and all that.
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- Mmmj.
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CHE
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- Verdad? Pero algo, meter un carro con
- Right? But something, put in a car
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unos...poquito, algunos seis kilos, siete kilos,
some...little, some six kilos, seven kilos,
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doce kilos [UI]. Algo noms pa estar...que se
twelve kilos [UI]. Just something to be...
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vaya despacito, pues. Que no traiga broncas
that it goes slowly, I mean. So it doesnt
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que... Porque yo le haba dicho al Vctor que yo
cause trouble that...Because I had told
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quera meter [UI]. Y me dijo el Vctor...a m se
Victor that I wanted to bring in [UI]. And
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me hizo poquito lo que te iba a dar a ti.
Victor told me...I thought what he was
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Me dijo treinta o algo as verdad?
going to give you was not enough. He told
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ORT
- What do you mean small?
CHE
ORT
- Mm-hmm.
CHE
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me thirty or something like that. Right?
ORT
- Mmmj.
CHE
- Es que es muy poquita feria, le digo. l
tambin est haciendo su jale, est haciendo
todo su pedo.
ORT
- S.
ORT
- Mm-hmm.
CHE
11:48
- Its not enough money, I told him. Hes

also doing his work, hes doing his shit.
ORT
- Yes.
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ORT
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- S, pero s se va hacer ese pedo, gey. [UI] [IA]
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[Ruido de un camin]
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CHE
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- T dime ms o menos una fecha. O si me
- Tell me a date more or less. Or if you
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haces el paro ah, gey.
help me out there, dude.
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ORT
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- Simn.
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CHE
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- Mira, ahorita a [IA]. Ahorita [IA]
- Look, right now [IA]. Now [IA]
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Son veinte mil bolas, gey. Veinte mil bolas que
Its twenty grand, dude. Twenty thousand
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yo te doy cash ac de volada.
bucks that Ill give you cash right away.
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Por un pinche carrillo miado que yo me puedo
For a fucking, piece-of-shit car that I can
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poner a estudiar ac.
study over here.
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ORT
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- Aqu viene una raza. [IA]
ORT
14:18
- Yes, but if that shit is to be done, dude.

[UI][IA] [Truck noise]
CHE
ORT
- Yeah.
CHE
ORT
14:40
- Theres a guy coming. [IA]
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CHE
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- No, aqu no, no creas que hay presin. Pero, s
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gey, mira, los pinches...Pus t sabes.
But, yes, dude, look, the fucking...Well, you
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Ests trabajando todava en la noche?
know. Are you still working at night?
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CHE
17:35
- No, not here, dont think theres pressure.
ORT
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- No, gey, hasta el otro mes voy pa la
- No, dude, Im not going on nights until
noche, gey.
next month, dude.
CHE
- Y ahorita ests trabajando en la tarde?
CHE
- And right now youre working in the
afternoon?
ORT
- En la tarde. En la noche es lo machn,
gey.
CHE
ORT
- In the afternoon. At night is tight, dude.
CHE
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- S, en la noche est bien machn.
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ORT
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- No hay nadie. En la...en la...ahorita en la tarde
- Theres no one. In the...in the...right now
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no se puede. Hay mucho...Casi no se sabe
in the afternoon, it cant be done. Theres
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cundo va a haber trfico. Siempre hay un
a lot...You dont know if theres going to be
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chingo de trfico.
traffic. Theres always a bunch of traffic.
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CHE
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- S, y luego ms ahora con los temblores y
- Yes, and now even more so because of
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todo el pedo.
the earthquakes and all that shit.
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ORT
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- Simn. No, pa...pal otro mes se va a poner
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bien, gey. Ahorita se calent el terreno, pero
good. Right now the area got hot, but
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pal otro mes yo te digo.
next month, Ill let you know.
- Yes, at night is tight.

ORT
CHE
ORT
18:00
- Yeah. No, for...next month is going to get
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- E...es que te digo tambin otra de que si se
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van hacer las cosas, se necesitan hacer o sea
to get done, they need to get done, I mean,
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tu seguridad y la ma, gey. [UI] te digo [UI].
your safety and mine, dude. [UI] Im telling
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Como yo te dije desde la otra vez, si cruza, en
you [UI]. Like Ive said since the last time, if
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ese rato no va a subir pa arriba porque [IA]
it crosses, at that time its not going up
ORT
21:08
- Uh...Im telling you that if things are going
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north because [IA]
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CHE
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- No, no, no.
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ORT
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- Si truena, ya vali verga aqu y ya se acab
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CHE
- No, no, no.
ORT
- If it fails, it sucks dick here and it is over.
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todo.
CHE
- Es lo que te iba a decir, gey. Has de cuenta
- Thats what I was going to tell you, dude.
que nosotros vamos agarrar una casa aqu
Lets say we are going to get a house here,
noms pa llegar a dejar aqu. Aqu mismo,
just to get there to drop off here. Right
aqu mismo en el terreno y ya dejamos y todo.
here, right here in the area and we drop
Guardamos las cosas aqu y se acab el pedo.
everything off. We store the things here
Pero as carro chico, seis kilos, veinte mil bolas
and the shit is over. But a small car, six
ah en la bolsa, en caliente. Siete kilos, a la
kilos, twenty thousand bucks there in the
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verga, perico, en caliente, perico.
bag, right now. Seven kilos, and shit,
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Ira, es que yo tengo la manera de meter perico,
cocaine, right now, cocaine. Look, I have
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ice, lo que sea. Y si quieres...si quieres verde,
a way to bring in cocaine, ice, whatever.
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bajar verde, [IA]
And if you want...if you want green, bring
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Si quieres jalar verde, machn, gey. Lo que
down green, [IA] If you want to get green,
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quieras. Si te quieres, te meto un pinche trailer
right on, dude. Whatever you want. If you
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si te metes por la garita nueva, all, en una de
want, Ill bring a fucking rig if you are at the
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los troques. Lo que quieras, gey, machn.
new Port of Entry, there, in one of the
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Pero como t dices, gey, necesitas agarrar
trucks. Whatever you want, dude, right on.
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confianza. Y la neta, yo...yo ya mir cmo, cmo
But, like you said, dude, you need to trust.
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jalas, gey.
And the truth is, I...I already saw how, how
CHE
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you work, dude.
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ORT
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- Mmmj.
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CHE
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- Me entiendes? T eres bien analista, gey.
ORT
- Mm-hmm.
CHE
- Do you see what I mean? You analize
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well, dude.
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ORT
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- Mmmj.
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CHE
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- T ests primero a ver qu pedo para...
- First, you see what the fuck to...
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No hay pedo!
Theres no problem!
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- Mmmj.
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CHE
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- As, se respeta eso, gey. Por qu? Porque
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ests cuidando tu, tu...[OL]
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ORT
- Mm-hmm.
CHE
ORT
- Mm-hmm.
CHE
22:12
- I respect that, dude. Why? Because

youre watching your, your...[OL]
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ORT
- No, yo no me voy a quedar [UI]
CHE
- No, la seguridad, gey, la libertad, gey.
ORT
- Yo no me voy a quedar...vale verga. [IA]
CHE
- S, se hace, gey.
ORT
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ORT
- No, Im not going to just be [UI]
CHE
- No, safety, dude, freedom, dude.
ORT
- Im not going to be...it goes to hell [IA]
CHE
- Yes, itll get done, dude.
ORT
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- Si me entiendes, gey? A m me vale madre
- Do you see what I mean, dude? I dont
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todo, pero est cabrn, gey. Si me entiendes?
give a shit about anything, but this is tough,
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[UI] [IA] pinche gey, es lo menos...vale verga.
dude. Do you see what I mean? [UI] [IA]
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fucking asshole, thats the least...fuck it.
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CHE
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- Noms, noms no te presiones por el lado
- Just, just dont feel pressured because
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del Vctor, gey.
of Victor, dude.
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- No, no, no. Yo te digo, yo calmado y...
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[Fin de la grabacin]
CHE
ORT
22:40
- No, no, no. Im telling you, Im cool and...
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[5/25/10 DVD]
[5/25/10 DVD]
2
3
CHE
- Me entiendes? O sea, yo vengo hacer una
feria, gey. Y si se me est abriendo la pinchi
here to make some money, dude. And if
puerta, qu...? Oye, vmonos pa arriba, gey.
the fucking door is opening for me,
CHE
05:22
- Do you see what Im saying? I mean, Im
what...? Hey, lets go for it, dude.
ORT
- Simn.
ORT
- Yeah.
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CHE
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- Vmonos pa arriba, pero, machn!
- Lets got for it, but, balls out! Look, Im
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Ira, yo voy hacer eso. Voy a calarlo con un
going to do that. Im going to try it out with
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carro, gey. No voy a llevar mucho, a la verga.
a car, dude. Im not going to bring too
14
Verdad? Voy a ponerle unos...qu? Cinco
much, fuck that. Right? Im going to put
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kilos de perico, seis kilos, siete kilos. Ah...
some...what? Five kilos of cocaine, six
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Me entiendes? Y t no te vas a enterar a la
kilos, seven kilos. Ah...Do you
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verga, gey. T noms dame luz verde a m.
understand? And youre not going to find
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Yo quiero pasar. No me vayas a mandar
out shit, dude. You just give me a green
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a segunda revisin, gey. Y ya con eso yo,
light. I want to come across. Dont send
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brincando y, al rato yo te jalo. Pum, pum,
me to secondary inspection, dude. And
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y sabes qu, gey? Aqu o vente pa la casa,
with that, once I jump and, Ill pull you in
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gey. Vamos a echarnos unas cheves, te voy
later one. Bam, bam, and Do you know
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a d...Esa va a ser la clave no?
what, dude? Here or come to my house,
CHE
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dude. Well have some beers, Ill t...you...
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That is going to be the password, right?
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- Mmmj.
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- Y ya te vienes por tu feria, gey. As de
- And then, you come over for your
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pelada, gey! As la voy hacer yo, gey. As, yo,
money, dude. Piece of cake, dude! Ill do
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yo la miro bien cabrn porque yo tengo que
it like that, dude. I think its tough because
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checar los perros, gey.
I have to check the dogs, dude.
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- Mmmj.
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CHE
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- Tengo que checar...Yo puedo checar todo
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ORT
- Mm-hmm.
CHE
ORT
- Mm-hmm.
CHE
- I have to check...I can check everything
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afuera, gey. Pero no puedo checar que t
outside, dude. I cannot check that you
me vayas a mandar a segunda revisin.
send me to secondary inspection. Or
O que...fjate lo que me ests diciendo, me
that...look at what youre telling me, youre
ests diciendo, gey, No s pa quin jales.
telling me, dude, I dont know who you
Yo tambin me la estoy jugando, porque no s
si a la hora de la hora, gey, a la hora, yo soy el
because I dont know if when the time
que va a pasar, gey. O sea, yo no quiero que
comes, dude, at that time, Im the one
nadie ms pase porque no quiero que nadie te
whos going to cross, dude. I mean,
conozca a ti, gey.
I dont want anyone else to cross because
06:18
work for. Im also taking a gamble
10
I dont want anyone to know you, dude.
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ORT
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- Mmmj.
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CHE
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- El, el de llevarte con los patrones y eso fue
- The, the thing about taking you to the
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porque t me dijiste Sabes qu? Pues, yo
bosses and that was because you asked
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quiero conocer a los batos o... No hay pedo.
me, Do you know, what? Well, I want to
ORT
- Mm-hmm.
CHE
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meet the dudes or... No problem.
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- S, quiero mirar el jale.
ORT
- Yes, I want to see the job.
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- Ey, gey...Vamos a ver qu onda. Vamos
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viendo qu onda.
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- Mira, t noms dime que no me vas a mandar
- Look, just tell me youre not going to
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a segunda revisin, gey. Eso es todo lo que yo
send me to secondary inspection, dude.
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necesito. Yo me encargo de, de, de cuidar que t
Thats all I need. Ill take care of, of, of
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ests en la lnea, gey. Mira, t avsame en
making sure youre at the line, dude.
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la semana...
Look, let me know during the week...
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- Pero, pero el pedo es que, es que a veces te
- But, but thats the problem, sometimes
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toca, gey.
its your turn, dude.
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- Okay. Si, si,
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ORT
14:47
- Hey, dude...Lets see whats up. Lets

see whats up.
CHE
ORT
CHE
- Okay. If, if,
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ORT
- Aj.
CHE
- si me toca la revisin,
ORT
- Aj.
CHE
- de que me manden a segunda ya sabes la
- that they send me to secondary, you
clave, Ey, qu onda? Vienes de Mexicali de
know the password, Hey, whats up? Did
comerte unos tacos, gey?
you go to Mexicali to eat some tacos,
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ORT
- Uh-huh.
CHE
- if I have to go to inspection,
ORT
- Uh-huh.
CHE
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dude?
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- Mmmj.
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- Y a la verga! Yo dejo el carro y me pinto de
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venado pa Mexicali.
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- S.
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- Me entiendes? Noms hazme ese paro,
- Do you understand? Just help me out
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gey. O sea, yo no quiero que me agarren,
like that, dude. I mean, I dont want to get
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gey. As como t tampoco quieres que te
caught, dude. Just like you dont want to
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agarren, y que sea una pinche mamada de este
get caught either, and that this shit is
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pedo, gey.
some kind of fucking bullshit, dude.
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- Mmmj.
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CHE
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- No me mandes al hoyo, gey. Porque tengo
- Dont send me to the hole, dude.
29
familia, gey. Tengo nios y la verga.
Because I have a family, dude. I have
ORT
- Mm-hmm.
CHE
15:12
- And fuck it! Ill leave the car and Ill get
the hell out of there to Mexicali.
ORT
- Yes.
CHE
ORT
- Mm-hmm.
CHE
30
kids and shit.
31
ORT
32
- No, yo s, gey. Yo s.
ORT
- No, I know, dude. I know.
33
34
35
36
CHE
USA v. Ortiz, Oscar
CHE
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Time
Translation
- Si me vas a mandar a segunda revisin,
dime eso, gey. O sea, Sabes qu? Qu
inspection, tell me that, dude. I mean, Do
onda? Vienes de Mexicali de comer tacos? Y
you know what? Whats up? Did you go
yo me bajo y hago la finta y como que me
to Mexicali to eat tacos? And Ill get out
correteas. Y a la verga!
and Ill play it off and like you run after me.
Me entiendes?
And fuck it! Do you see what I mean?
ORT
- Mira, gey las cosas se tienen que hacer bien,
- Look, dude, things have to be done
gey. Si me entiendes? Bien, gey.
right, dude. Do you understand? Right,
15:47
- If youre going to send me to secondary
ORT
10
dude.
11
CHE
12
- S, s.
13
ORT
14
- Como bien a la verga.
- Like fucking tight. Like...good. You have
15
Como...bien. Tienes que agarrar otr...otros
to get oth...other papers and shit.
16
papeles y la verga.
17
CHE
18
- S.
19
ORT
20
- Por, por...si me entiendes? Pa que no vaya
21
quedando ah, que vayas pasando.
doesnt show there, that youre crossing.
22
Si me entiendes? Porque todo queda como...
Do you understand? Because everything
CHE
- Yes, yes.
ORT
CHE
- Yes.
ORT
16:04
- For, for...do you see what I mean? So it
23
is like...
24
CHE
25
- Registrado.
26
ORT
27
- Aj, gey. Y as, pum, otro nombre, a la verga,
- Uh-huh, dude. And like that, boom,
28
[UI] este gey. As.
another name, fuck it. [UI] this dude.
CHE
- Recorded.
ORT
29
Like that.
30
CHE
31
- Okay. Puedo agarrar un pasaporte chueco
- Okay. Can I get a fake passport or
32
o algo ac? O, o qu me ests diciendo? O un
something here? Or, or what are you
33
papel o cualquier papel?
telling me? Or a paper or any paper?
34
ORT
35
- Agarra una pinche visa chueca. Ve a Xicali y
- Get a fucking fake visa. Go to Xicali and
36
compra una, gey. Ya ves como los batos
buy one, dude. You see like those dudes
USA v. Ortiz, Oscar
CHE
ORT
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que compran que van a cruzar.
CHE
- Ah, simn. Una...una... [OL]
ORT
- Si me entiendes? A guardar ah.
CHE
- O sea, aunque no sea mi foto, no hay pedo.
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Time
Translation
who buy them, who are going to cross.
CHE
- Uh, yeah. One...one...[OL]
ORT
- Do yo understand? To keep [it] here.
CHE
- I mean, even if its not my picture, no
problem.
ORT
10
- Aj.
11
CHE
12
- Noms pa que la pases t.
13
ORT
14
- Aj. A menos que se parezca. De todos
- Uh-huh. Unless he looks like you.
15
modos si t traes el tuyo, y [UI]
Anyway, if you bring yours, and [UI]
16
Ah, es de un camarada la dej, a la verga.
Oh, this dude left it, fuck it. Do you see
17
Si me entiendes?
what I mean?
18
CHE
19
- Ah, okay.
20
ORT
21
- Pero traer esa cuando se va hacer el jale.
22
Pa que t no quedes ah, pues.
23
CHE
24
- S, s, no. Pues, ah, yo pensaba no pa...pasar
- Yes, yes, yes. Well, uh, I thought not to
25
sin papeles, pero est ms a toda madre as.
cro...cross without papers, but this way
ORT
- Uh-huh.
CHE
- Just so you can run it.
ORT
CHE
- Ah, okay.
ORT
16:38
- But have it when the job is going to be

done. So you dont show there, I mean.
CHE
26
is fucking tight.
27
ORT
28
- S me entiendes? T no vas a quedar.
- Do you understand? Youre not going to
29
Va a...como todo normal. Yo, mi lado est
show. Its going to...like all normal. Me,
30
cubierto.
my side is covered.
31
CHE
32
- Por qu? Porque el bato me entreg su mica,
- Why? Because the dude gave me his
33
y la verga, y la pas...[OL]
green card and shit, and I ran it...[OL]
34
ORT
35
- Aj. ndale, simn.
36
CHE
USA v. Ortiz, Oscar
ORT
CHE
ORT
- Uh-huh. There you go, yeah.
CHE
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- y s se pareca y a la verga.
ORT
- Simn. Aj. Y t no queda tu nombre ah.
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Time
Translation
and he did look like him and fuck it.
ORT
- Yeah. Uh-huh. And your name wont
show there.
CHE
- Simn. No haba pensado en eso.
ORT
- Si me entiendes? Est todo, todo, todo bien,
- Do you see what I mean? All is, all, all
gey. Pero, el jale se tiene que hacer bien, gey.
good, dude. But, the job has to be done
10
Como te digo, no...e... es mi pedo, gey. Es
well, dude. Like I said, no...i...its my
11
que yo no te conozco a la verga, pues.
problem, dude. I mean, I dont know you
CHE
- Yeah. I hadnt thought of that.
ORT
12
for shit.
13
CHE
14
- Ese es el problema, gey. Pero yo no me
- Thats the problem, dude. But Im not
15
muevo de aqu, gey. Mira, t dame la
going anywhere, dude. Look, give me a
16
oportunidad...
chance...
17
ORT
18
- S.
19
CHE
20
- ...de jalar contigo, gey y nos vamos a ir pa
- ...to work with you, dude and were

going
21
arriba, gey. Yo te garantizo al cien por ciento
to make it, dude. I guarantee you one
22
como cabrn, gey.
hundred percent, like a mother fucker,
CHE
ORT
- Yes.
CHE
23
dude.
24
ORT
25
- Mmm.
26
CHE
27
- Porque no me gustan las chingaderas a m,
28
gey.
29
ORT
30
- Mmmj.
31
CHE
32
- Y tampoco me gustara que a m me las
- And I wouldnt like it if someone would
33
hicieran, gey. Me entiendes?
bullshit me either, dude. Do you know
ORT
- Mmm.
CHE
17:21
- Because I dont like fucking bullshit,

dude.
ORT
- Mm-hmm.
CHE
34
what I mean?
35
ORT
36
- Simn.
USA v. Ortiz, Oscar
ORT
- Yeah.
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Translation
CHE
- Pero, nos vamos a ir pa arriba, gey. Yo s lo
- But, were going to make it, dude. I know
que te digo. Nos vamos a ir pa arriba, gey.
what Im telling you. Were going to make
Si esta cosa es discreta, gey, y nosotros, si t
it big, dude. If this is a discreet thing, dude
y yo sabemos guardar el, lo ms absoluto
and we, if you and I know how to keep
discrecin...Juntarnos una pinche vez al mes.
the, the most absolute discretion...Get
Hacernos una carnita asada ac...
together one time a month. Have a
CHE
8
9
10
barbecue...
ORT
ORT
- Simn.
- Yeah.
11
12
13
14
ORT
15
- Simn. No. No, as como te digo, te digo, se va
16
a jalar, gey, pero...
17
CHE
18
- Agarro un papel chueco. Mira, maana voy
- Ill get the fake papers. Look, tomorrow
19
agarrar el papel chueco.
Im going to get the fake papers.
20
ORT
21
- Aj.
22
CHE
23
- Maana yo agarro un papel chueco y ya te
- Tomorrow Ill get fake papers and Ill
24
watcho ah en la lnea, a la verga.
watch you there at the line, fuck it.
25
ORT
26
- Mmmj.
27
CHE
28
- Qu horario vas a tener?
29
ORT
30
- Estoy jalando en la maana. Es el pedo. Pero,
- Im working in the morning. Thats the
31
pero por dnde, por dnde quieres entrar?
problem. But, but where, where do you
ORT
18:24
- Yeah. No. No, just like I said, Im telling

you, were going to do the job, dude, but...
CHE
ORT
- Uh-huh.
CHE
- Mm-hmm.
CHE
- Whats going to be your schedule?
ORT
32
want to come through?
33
CHE
34
- No, por donde t me digas.
35
ORT
36
- No, es que aqu est bien cabrn.
USA v. Ortiz, Oscar
CHE
18:42
- No, wherever you tell me.

ORT
- No, its really tough here.
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CHE
- Por esta lnea?
ORT
- S.
CHE
- Y cundo te van a cambiar pa aquella?
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Time
Translation
CHE
- Through this lane?
ORT
- Yes.
CHE
- And when are they going to switch you
to that one?
ORT
- Pal otro mes voy pa all.
ORT
- Im going there next month.
10
CHE
11
- El otro mes?
12
ORT
13
- Voy en la maana. Pero, ah es cuando...
14
CHE
15
- Pero, pero, no hay pedo...Bueno, no hay
- But, but, no problem...Well, no problem,
16
pedo, por esta situacin. Acurdate que en
because of this situation. Remember that
17
la garita nueva, gey, tenemos ms margen
at the new port of entry, dude, we have
18
de...de de cmo se dice? De...de espacio,
more margin of...of...what do you call it?
19
pues.
Of...of room, I mean.
20
ORT
21
- Simn.
22
CHE
23
- Porque a m me han agarrado, dos, tres
- Because Ive had two or three dudes
24
batos all, gey, que los batos ya sienten que la
caught there, dude, that the dudes feel
25
libraron porque se bajan corriendo del carro,
like theyve made it because they get out
26
gey y todava no alcanzan a llegar al puente
of the car, dude and they havent gotten to
27
y todava les pegan unos putazos, los tiran al
the bridge yet and they beat the shit out of
28
suelo, y los geyes no saben que es hasta
them. They throw them on the ground and
29
pasando el puente...[UI] [OL]
the dudes dont know that its past the
CHE
- Next month?
ORT
- Ill be in the morning. But, thats when...
CHE
ORT
- Yeah.
CHE
30
bridge...[UI] [OL]
31
ORT
32
- Yeah. Pasando...simn. S, s, s. [OL]
ORT
- Yeah. Passing...yeah. Yes, yes, yes.
33
[OL]
34
CHE
35
- Y ah est bien larga la tirada pa correr.
36
ORT
USA v. Ortiz, Oscar
CHE
- And over there its a long stretch to run.
19:19
ORT
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Time
Translation
- Pero, ah es...es chilo.
CHE
- S?
ORT
- S, porque hay mucha quebrada, gey. Ah
- Yes, because theres a big break,
hay mucha quebrada porque nunca casi no
dude. Theres a lot of chance because
hay lnea, a veces .
theres barely any line, sometimes.
CHE
- Eso s.
10
ORT
11
- En la noche.
12
CHE
13
- En la noche.
14
ORT
15
- Y pum llegas directo. Me entiendes?
- But, over there its...its a piece of cake.

CHE
- Really?
ORT
CHE
- Thats true.
ORT
- At night.
CHE
- At night.
ORT
- And zoom, you get there straight.
16
Do you see what I mean?
17
CHE
18
- Y ah est...[OL]
19
ORT
20
- Y ah estaba yo, gey, la semana pasada, hace
- And I was there, dude, last week, two
21
dos semanas.
weeks ago.
22
CHE
23
- Sss.
24
ORT
25
- Anoche. Pero voy para all. Como te digo,
- Last night. But Im going over there. Like
26
voy segu...dos. Y pus cuando me quede, y
I said, I go ofte...two. And when I am,
27
que me quede... Todo el tiempo se queda
and when I am...one stays the whole
28
uno. Si me entiendes?
time. Do you see what Im saying?
29
CHE
30
- Ah ests solo siempre? Casi siempre...en
- Are you always alone there? Almost
31
la...? [OL]
always...at the...? [OL]
32
ORT
33
- S, casi siempre.
34
CHE
35
- Porque estaban poniendo de dos, verdad?
36
ORT
USA v. Ortiz, Oscar
CHE
- And there it is...[OL]
ORT
CHE
- Sss.
ORT
CHE
ORT
- Yes, almost always.
CHE
- Because they were putting two, right?
19:51
ORT
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Time
Translation
- Simn. Casi siempre, gey. O sea siempre, en
- Yeah. Almost always, dude. I mean,
la noche ya est solo, pues. Y eso que te diga,
always, at night its alone. And when I tell
Sabes qu? Djate venir, gey.
you, You know what? Come over, dude.
CHE
- Y...[OL]
ORT
- Es que ese da, ese da t tienes que estar listo
- That day, that day you have to be ready,
cuando yo te diga, simn. Yo te voy a hablar
when I tell you, yeah. Im going to call
temprano.
you early.
CHE
- And...[OL]
ORT
10
CHE
11
- Mira, es que yo puedo hacer esto por ti,
- Look, I can do that for you, dude. Its
12
gey. Haz de cuenta que yo puedo alistar mis
like I can get my things ready, dude. Have
13
cosas, gey. Tenerlas listas. Decir t, No,
them ready. You say, No, well, this week.
14
pus esta semana. Ya voy a estar...a jalar.
Ill be...to work. And Ill leave the car set,
15
Y yo dejo el pinche carro preparado, gey.
dude.
16
ORT
17
- Aj.
18
CHE
19
- Por qu? Porque no, no...no me va a...[OL]
CHE
ORT
- Uh-huh.
CHE
- Why? Because, no, no...Im not going
20
to...[OL]
21
ORT
22
- Incluso es que vente...[OL]
23
CHE
24
- ...no me va a faltar nada. No tengo que curar.
- ...Im not going to be missing anything. I
25
No tengo que hacer nada.
dont have to cure [it]. I dont have to do
ORT
- Even come...[OL]
CHE
26
anything.
27
ORT
28
- S.
29
CHE
30
- Porque pus vamos a cruzar derecho.
- Because were going to cross right.
31
Me entiendes?
Do you understand?
32
ORT
33
- Simn, simn.
34
CHE
35
- Es la ventaja que yo puedo dejar el carro ya
36
cuidado ah. Una semana y ah.
USA v. Ortiz, Oscar
ORT
- Yes.
CHE
ORT
- Yeah, yeah.
CHE
20:24
- Thats the advantage, that I can leave

the car there, taken care of. One week
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Time
Translation
there.
ORT
- Mmmj.
CHE
- Y noms en cuanto t me digas, Sabes qu?
ORT
- Mm-hmm.
CHE
- And just when you tell me, do you
know what?
ORT
- A tales horas.
CHE
ORT
- At such time.
CHE
10
- Fierro!
11
ORT
12
- A tales horas, pa que...te dejes venir.
13
CHE
14
- Simn.
15
ORT
16
- Si me entiendes? Y como habamos quedado,
- Do you understand? And like we had
17
como, esa madre no lo puedes llevar el mismo
agreed, you cant take that shit the same
18
da pa all, ni nada.
day there, or anything.
19
CHE
20
- No, no, no!
21
ORT
22
- Pa arriba.
23
CHE
24
- No, gey. Es ms...[OL]
25
ORT
26
- Ira, si quieres...yo te voy a decir. Si quieres...
27
Hay cosas... Yo s, gey! Yo s muchas cosas
want...There are things...I know, dude! I
28
que t no sabes. Pero...Si me entiendes?
know many things you dont know. But...
29
T me tienes que hacer caso en lo que yo
Do you see what Im saying? You have to
30
te diga en ese pedo.
listen to me about what I tell you about
31
Por qu? Porque yo s qu onda, gey.
that shit. Why? Because I know whats
- Go for it!
ORT
- At such time, so...you come over.
CHE
- Yeah.
ORT
CHE
- No, no, no!
ORT
- Up north.
CHE
- No, dude. Actually...[OL]
ORT
32
- Look, if you want...let me tell you. If you
up, dude.
33
CHE
34
- Pues, s.
35
ORT
36
- Si quieres cuidar las...
USA v. Ortiz, Oscar
CHE
- Well, yes.
ORT
- If you want to take care of the...
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Si me entiendes?
CHE
- Es que yo te quiero cuidar a ti y me quiero
cuidar yo, gey.
ORT
- Exactamente.
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Time
Translation
CHE
20:54
- I want to take care of you and I want to

take care of me, dude.
ORT
20:57
- Exactly.
7
8
9
10
ORT
11
- Deja, deja te digo qu pedo. Ah...es que as,
12
gey, como hay raza de dedo, gey. Hablan,
Uh...like that, dude, as there are people
13
gey. Sabes qu? Carro tal y tal, a la verga.
who point fingers, dude, they call, dude.
14
Va a cruzar a tal hora, pa que se pongan
Do you know what? Such and such car,
15
truchas. Y a nosotros nos dicen, sabes qu?
and shit. Theyre going to cross at such
16
Y ya vienes bien dedeado, a la verga.
time, so watch out. And they tell us,
17
Y ya ah qu puede hacer uno, gey?
Do you know what? And youve already
18
En ese caso, si algo pasara, sabes qu?
been ratted out, and shit. And what can
19
Pun, agarra... sabes qu? Pun, pun, pun,
we do then, dude? In that case, if
20
alguna clave sabes qu? para que te
something happened, do you know
21
vayas pa atrs, gey.
what? Boom, get... do you know what?
ORT
25:51
- Let me, let me tell you what the deal is.
22
Boom, boom, boom, a password Do you
23
know what? so that you go back, dude.
24
CHE
25
- Eso, gey, eso de qu onda? Qu onda?
- That, dude, that Whats up? Whats up?
26
Buenas noches. Vienes de Mexicali de comer
Good evening. Did you go to Mexicali to
27
tacos?
eat some tacos?
28
ORT
29
- No, no, no, no, no! Antes de que
- No, no, no, no, no! Before you arrive.
30
llegues. Cmo te voy a decir eso si me dan
How am I going to tell you that if they give
31
el nmero de placas, todo, a la verga?
me the plate numbers, all that and shit?
32
Y t vas a llegar ah. Cmo te voy a...?
And youre going to get there. How am I
33
Cmo voy a decir que no eres t?
going to...? How am I going to say its not
34
Si est el pinche carro que...
you? If the fucking car is...Do you see
35
Si me entiendes lo que te estoy diciendo?
CHE
ORT
26:31
what Im saying?
36
USA v. Ortiz, Oscar
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Translation
1
2
3
ORT
- Verdad? Hay muchas cosas que se pueden
hacer en...en ese pedo, pues. Pero, por eso te
be done in...with that shit, I mean. But,
digo, ms pelada es cuando no hay nada de
thats why Im telling you, its easier when
lnea, gey. Pus t ah llegas y [sonido]...
theres no line, dude. Because you just
ORT
28:39
- Right? There are many things that can
8
9
arrive and [noise]...

CHE
CHE
10
- Y derechito, a la verga.
11
ORT
12
- Simn. Entiendes?
13
CHE
14
- Hay que trabajar, gey.
15
ORT
16
- Simn.
17
CHE
18
- Hay que trabajar machn, gey, para darle
19
a ese...
20
ORT
21
- Hacer un billete, gey.
22
CHE
23
- S, gey. O sea, cunto tiempo ms vas a
- Yes, dude. I mean, how much longer are
24
estar aqu en el...?
you going to be here at the...?
25
Qu da estamos ahora? Uta est apagado
What day is today?
26
esta madre.
Fuck, this shit is off.
27
ORT
28
- Como hasta el veintitrs, gey. Despus me
- Until the twenty-third, dude. After that,
29
voy pa all.
Ill go there.
30
CHE
31
- Y vas a entrar en la maana all?
- And straight through, and shit.

ORT
- Yeah. Do you understand?
CHE
28:48
- We have to work, dude.

ORT
- Yeah.
CHE
- We have to work tight, dude, to hit that...
ORT
- To make some money, dude.
CHE
ORT
CHE
- And youre going to start tomorrow
32
there?
33
ORT
34
- Simn. Y all me puedo [UI]
- Yeah. And I can [UI] over there. And its
35
Y all est ms pelada. A m se me hace ms
easier there. I think its easier there, dude.
36
pelada all, gey.
USA v. Ortiz, Oscar
ORT
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Time
Translation
CHE
- No, pero qu da estamos ahora? Ya, ya
- No, but what day is today? Its already,
estamos a qu?
already what?
ORT
- A...
CHE
- A veinticinco. [OL]
ORT
- A veinticinco.
10
CHE
11
- Al veintitrs del otro mes te vas a ir pa all?
CHE
ORT
- The...
CHE
- The twenty-fifth. [OL]
ORT
- The twenty-fifth.
CHE
- Youre going over there on the twenty-
12
third?
13
ORT
14
- Simn. Es que aqu, gey, los perros estn
- Yeah. Here, dude, the dogs are very
15
bien duros, a la verga. Yo s, pues.
tough and shit. I mean, I know.
16
CHE
17
- Ay! Es que es un pinche mes, gey.
18
Yo te cuido los perros aqu, t noms dame
Ill watch the dogs here, you just give me
19
luz verde, gey.
a green light, dude.
20
ORT
21
- S?
22
CHE
23
- S, yo te cuido...Mira, yo voy a cuidar los
- Yes, Ill watch you...Look, Im going to
24
perros. T noms dime el da que vas a
watch the dogs. Just tell me what day you
25
jalar.
are going to work.
26
ORT
27
- Mmmj.
28
CHE
29
- Yo me voy a poner ah firme. Yo voy a poner
- Im going to be ready. Im going to have
30
el carro firme. Yo voy hacer...yo voy hacer mi jale
the car ready. Im going to do...Im going
31
all, gey.
to do my job there, dude.
32
ORT
33
- Aj.
34
CHE
35
- Y t noms...t noms dame as, a la verga.
- And you just...just give me like that, and
36
T noms dame la pasada. Y porque es un
shit. You just let me through. Because
USA v. Ortiz, Oscar
ORT
CHE
29:21
- Oh! Its fucking month, dude.
ORT
- Really?
CHE
ORT
- Mm-hmm.
CHE
ORT
- Uh-huh.
CHE
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Time
Translation
chingo un mes, gey, pal jale. [OL]
ORT
- S?
CHE
- S, es un chingo un mes. Yo te puedo cuidar...
- Yes, a month is a lot. I can watch you...
Y aventamos uno o dos, gey.
And we can do one or two, dude.
ORT
- Mmmj.
CHE
one month is a lot, dude, for the job. [OL]

ORT
- Yes?
CHE
ORT
- Mm-hmm.
CHE
10
- Uno o dos, y luego, ya nos calmamos a, a
- One or two, and then, well slow down
11
seguir el ritmo que t quieras.
to, to follow the pace you want.
12
ORT
13
- Okay.
ORT
- Okay.
14
15
16
17
CHE
18
- As le hacemos, gey, pa no quitarte...[OL]
CHE
35:01
- Thats what well do, dude, so we dont
19
take you from...[OL]
20
ORT
21
- S, gey, noms que ese pedo!
22
CHE
23
- Mira, yo te voy a cuidar los perros, y...
24
ORT
25
- No, gey! Ese pedo es firme, gey?
26
CHE
27
- Cien por ciento firme.
28
ORT
29
- Si no, va a valer verga todo. Nos va a llevar
- Otherwise, everything is going to go to
30
la verga a todos. [OL]
hell. Were all going to be fucked. [OL]
31
CHE
32
- De cabrones, gey. De cabrones, gey.
ORT
- Yes, dude, its just that shit!
CHE
- Look, Ill watch the dogs, and...
ORT
- No, dude! Is that shit for sure, dude?
CHE
- Hundred percent for sure.
ORT
CHE
- Like mother fuckers, dude. Like mother
33
fuckers, dude.
34
ORT
35
- Nos va a llevar la verga a todos.
36
CHE
USA v. Ortiz, Oscar
ORT
- Were all going to be fucked.
CHE
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1
- De cabrones. No, no, no!
ORT
- S, gey?
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Time
Translation
- Like mother fuckers. No, no, no!
ORT
- Really, dude?
4
5
6
7
CHE
- No y t tambin, gey. O sea, al cien por
ciento, gey. Al cien por ciento, como cabrones,
hundred percent, dude. One hundred
gey, yo te estoy ofreciendo mi amistad, gey.
percent, like mother fuckers, dude, Im
10
CHE
37:37
- No and you too, dude. I mean, one
11
offering you my friendship, dude.
12
ORT
13
- Simn.
14
CHE
15
- Y le vamos a dar pa adelante. T noms no
- And were going to get ahead. Just dont
16
me mandes pa segunda revisin, gey.
send me to secondary inspection, dude.
17
ORT
18
- S.
19
CHE
20
- Es...hazme ese paro, gey.
21
ORT
22
- Simn.
23
CHE
24
- S, eso, o lo que sea, avsame, a la verga.
- Yes, that, or whatever, let me know and
25
Hazme con la pinche mano as rpido.
shit. Wave your fucking hand fast, like
26
rale, rale! Aprate, a la verga! Desde que
this. Come on, come on! Hurry up and
27
me toque la foto all y ya, con eso yo me bajo del
shit! Once the picture is taken there, with
28
carro y yo lo aviento a la verga. El carro se
that I get out of the car and Ill fucking
29
pierde y la mercanca se pierde, pero uno
leave it. The car is lost and the
30
no, gey.
merchandise is lost, but not us, dude.
31
ORT
32
- Mmmj.
- Mm-hmm.
33
[Fin de esta seccin]
[End of this section]
ORT
- Yeah.
CHE
ORT
- Yes.
CHE
- Its...help me out, dude.
ORT
- Yeah.
CHE
ORT
34
35
36
USA v. Ortiz, Oscar
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Time
Translation
[6/19/10 DVD]
ORT
- Qu pedo?
CHE
- El...el...estoy hablando con un compadre mo,
- The...the...Im talking to a buddy of
gey.
mine, dude.
ORT
- Simn.
CHE
[6/19/10 DVD]
ORT
03:38
- Whats up?
CHE
ORT
- Yeah.
CHE
10
- Para que nos salgan bien las cosas.
11
ORT
12
- Mmmj.
13
CHE
14
- O sea que s puedo meter blanco, gey. Pero si
- I mean, I can bring in white, dude. But
15
meto blanco, o sea, si meto perico en la moto...
if I bring in white, I mean, if I bring in
- So that things go well for us.

ORT
- Mm-hmm.
CHE
16
cocaine in the motorcycle...
17
ORT
18
- Aj.
19
CHE
20
- ...va ir bien poquita feria, gey.
21
ORT
22
- Aj.
23
CHE
24
- Entonces, estoy hablando con un compadre
- So, Im talking to a buddy of mine, the
25
mo, que el bato mueve chiva, para ver si l
guy who moves heroin, to see if he gives
26
me da la chiva a m.
me heroin.
27
ORT
28
- Aj.
29
CHE
30
- Y ya, si metemos chiva o cristal, gey...
ORT
- Uh-huh.
CHE
- ...its going to be very little money, dude.
ORT
- Uh-huh.
CHE
ORT
- Uh-huh.
CHE
- And thats it, we bring in heroin or
31
crystal, dude...
32
ORT
33
- Mmmj.
34
CHE
35
- ...si se hace bien, gey, en una moto.
36
ORT
USA v. Ortiz, Oscar
ORT
- Mm-hmm.
CHE
- ...if we do it right, dude, in a motorcycle.
ORT
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Time
Translation
- Simn.
CHE
- Metemos poquitos kilos y sale la
- We can bring a few kilos and we can
misma feria.
make the same money.
ORT
- [UI]
CHE
- Y ese es el chiste, gey que no metamos de
- And thats the deal, dude, that we dont
oquis la moto o...
bring in the motorcycle for nothing or...
- Yeah.
CHE
ORT
- [UI]
CHE
10
ORT
11
- Claro.
12
CHE
13
- Porque tendramos, por ejemplo, para
14
recuperar lo que agarramos en una pasada en
to recover what we get in one crossing in
15
el carro, pues tendramos que echar unas dos,
the car, because we would have to make
16
tres vueltas...
two, three trips...
17
ORT
18
- Simn.
19
CHE
20
- ...en, en, en lo que es la moto, gey
- ...in, in, in the motorcycle, dude, were
21
mejor le metemos chivo, algo ms [IA]
better off bringing in heroin, something
22
y s sale la feria, gey, de volada.
else [IA] and we can get money right
ORT
- Of course.
CHE
04:10
- Because we would have to, for example,
ORT
- Yeah.
CHE
23
away, dude.
24
ORT
25
- [IA]
ORT
04:25
- [IA]
26
27
CHE
28
- Pero, pero a ver si en la semana, gey.
29
O cmo le hacemos? Hasta el domingo
dude. Or what should we do? We would
30
necesitaramos trabajar o cmo le hacemos?
need to work until Sunday or what do
CHE
05:32
- But, but, lets see if during the week,
31
we do?
32
ORT
33
- Cmo, cmo que el domingo?
- What, what do you mean Sunday? No,
34
No, no, no! Pus se puede entre...
no, no! It can be during...
35
Esa madre...pues, si, si agarras...vas agarrar la
I mean, that thing, if, if you get...are you
36
moto?
going to get the motorcycle?
USA v. Ortiz, Oscar
ORT
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Time
Translation
CHE
- S, s la voy agarrar, gey. O sea, ya tengo
vista una ah con un compadre mo y el bato me
have already seen one with a buddy of
la presta, gey.
mine and this dude would let me borrow
CHE
- Yes, Im going to get it, dude. I mean, I
it, dude.
ORT
- Simn.
CHE
- O sea, no hay pedo. Por la moto, no hay pedo.
ORT
- Yeah.
CHE
05:51
- I mean, no problem. No problem about
10
Ya la tengo, gey. O sea, mientras que yo
the motorcycle. I already have it, dude. I
11
compro una, un compadre mo me la presta.
mean, a buddy of mine would let me
12
borrow it until I buy one.
13
ORT
14
- O sea, si sabes pilotearla verdad?
15
CHE
16
- S, gey, machn.
17
ORT
18
- Ah est! O sea t noms te dejas caer y ya.
- There you go! I mean, you just got to do
19
El pedo es de que ya te puedas ir.
it and thats it. The problem is that you
ORT
- I mean, you know how to drive it, right?
CHE
- Yes, dude, pretty good.
ORT
20
can come already.
21
CHE
22
- Eso!
23
ORT
24
- Sabes qu?
25
CHE
26
- Eso! Yo me estaba esperando. Dije, para el
- There you go! I was waiting. I thought, on
27
otro domingo porque como el otro domingo dices
Sunday, because you say next Sunday
28
que...[OL]
that...[OL]
29
ORT
30
- No, no, no, no! Si lo vamos hacer, lo podemos
- No, no, no, no! If were going to do it, we
31
hacer todos los das.
can do it everyday.
32
CHE
33
- Cualquier da.
34
ORT
35
- S, en el da, pus yo noms...
36
CHE
USA v. Ortiz, Oscar
CHE
- There you go!
ORT
- Do you know what?
CHE
ORT
CHE
- Any day.
ORT
- Yes, during the day, I just...
CHE
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Time
Translation
- Noms hay que ponernos bien de acuerdo
- We just have to agree on the schedule,
en el horario, gey. Que t me digas qu
dude. That you tell me what the deal is
pedo con el horario.
with the schedule.
ORT
- Yo voy a estar de seis a dos, gey.
CHE
- Todos los das ya de aqu en adelante?
ORT
- Todos los das.
10
CHE
11
- Pero vas a entrar aqu en la garita o qu?
ORT
- Im going to be from six to two, dude.
CHE
- Every day from now on?
ORT
- Every day.
CHE
06:21
- But, are you going to be here at the port
12
or what?
13
ORT
14
- S, all.
15
CHE
16
- Hasta cundo entras all?
17
ORT
18
- Ya, gey, maana.
19
CHE
20
- Ah! S?
21
ORT
22
- S, maana.
23
CHE
24
- Pues, a qu da estamos, gey?
25
ORT
26
- A veinte, veinte. Maana es veinte.
ORT
- Yes, there.
CHE
- Until when are you starting there?
ORT
- Tomorrow, already, dude.
CHE
- Oh! Really?
ORT
- Yes, tomorrow.
CHE
- Well, whats today, dude?
ORT
- The twentieth, the twentieth. Tomorrow
27
is the twentieth.
28
CHE
29
- No me digas?
30
ORT
31
- Y, y el pedo de all, mira, gey... Ah est
- And, the deal over there, dude, look...Its
32
pelada, gey porque...yo de, de ah pa all, yo te
a piece of cake, dude, because...I, from
33
voy a decir, Sabes qu? Vente, pum.
then on, Im going to tell you, Do you
34
Y ah te vas a venir por donde yo te diga, vas a
know what? Come over, bam. And, you
35
llegar y Zz! De volada. Y t de aqu, porque yo
then, come through where I tell you, you
36
no puedo estar volteando pa atrs, t vas a
are going to arrive and bam! Real quick.
USA v. Ortiz, Oscar
CHE
- Get out of here.
ORT
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Time
venir y t vas a mirar cuando, si algo pasa ac.
Translation
06:53
And from here you, because I cant look
behind me, youre going to come and see
when, if something is happening here.
ORT
- Simn, ndale. Y, y, y enfilado, pus no traen
[UI]
CHE
- S y ni modo que me digan Ey, prate.
ORT
08:06
- Yeah, there you go. And, and, and once

in line, I mean, they dont have [UI]
CHE
- Yes, theyre not going to tell me, Hey,
stop.
10
ORT
11
- No, no te paran! No te paran. Y ms porque
- No, they wont stop you! They wont stop
12
est el calorn.
you. And even more so because its so
ORT
13
hot!
14
CHE
15
- S.
16
ORT
17
- Si me entiendes? A esa hora.
18
CHE
19
- Luego, me gust esa idea, gey. Porque llevas
20
casco y menos bronca.
21
ORT
22
23
24
CHE
- Yes.
ORT
- Do you see what I mean? At that time.
CHE
08:17
- I liked that idea, dude. Because you

have a helmet and less trouble.
ORT
- Uh-huh. Thats why Im telling you. That
- Aj y por eso te digo, gey. Por eso te

digo,
25
No, que simn. [UI] agarras esa madre [UI]
is why Im telling you, No, yeah. [UI] get
26
Si me entiendes?
that shit [UI] Do you understand?
27
CHE
28
- O cal, gey. O, o chiva, gey.
29
ORT
30
- Aj. O tambin como...tambin con [UI], pues.
CHE
- Or limestone, dude. Or, or heroin, dude.
ORT
- Uh-huh. Or also like...also with [UI], I
31
mean.
32
CHE
33
- Aj.
34
ORT
35
- Pero, no hay pedo. Una diaria, gey.
36
CHE
37
- S.
USA v. Ortiz, Oscar
CHE
- Uh-huh.
ORT
- But, theres no problem. One a day, dude.
CHE
- Yes.
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ORT
- Si me entiendes? Si me entiendes?
Filed 07/13/11 Page 72 of 92
Time
Translation
ORT
- Do you see what I mean? Do you see
what I mean?
CHE
- Es que tambin as...[OL]
ORT
- Y luego, es que...es que [OL]
CHE
- As se puede meter pues, porque si ests
- You can bring in, I mean, because if
10
metiendo una diaria, pues est cayendo una
you are crossing one every day, then,
11
feriecilla y no se siente tanto.
money is coming in and you dont feel it
CHE
- Because also like that...[OL]
ORT
- And then, its...its [OL]
CHE
12
that much.
13
ORT
14
- Aj.
15
CHE
16
- Y dices, no hay pedo, pero que caiga, pero que
- And you say, theres no problem, as long
17
caiga, pues.
as its coming in [money], as long as it is
ORT
- Uh-huh.
CHE
18
coming in, I mean.
19
ORT
20
- No, exactamente. Y aparte, gey, yo te lo digo,
21
porque yo s que t pus no sabes lo que yo s
you, because I know that you dont know
22
ah, gey.
what I know there, dude.
23
CHE
24
- Aj.
25
ORT
26
- Y ah hay menos broncas pa los dos, gey.
- And there will be less trouble for both,
27
O sea, hay un chingo de desafane pa ti y un
dude. I mean, Youll be fucking clear and
28
chingo de desafane pa m. Por qu, gey?
Ill be fucking clear. Why, dude? Because
29
Porque yo no...ah, gey, esa madre no te lee,
I dont...there, dude. That shit wont read
30
y yo tengo que apuntarlo, y yo no voy a apuntar
you, and I dont have to enter it, and Im
31
nada. Si me entiendes?
not going to write down anything. Do you
ORT
08:49
- No, exactly. And also, dude, Im telling
CHE
- Uh-huh.
ORT
32
see what I mean?
33
CHE
34
- S.
CHE
09:04
- Yes.
35
36
ORT
USA v. Ortiz, Oscar
ORT
p. 29 of 49
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Transcription
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Time
Translation
- Pero, pero te digo, no te mueven nunca, como
no llegas y pum, de volada. O a veces...
you, like, you dont get there and bam, right
Si me entiendes? Puede pasar, pero es que la
away. Or sometimes...Do you understand?
moto, ah ... La moto es de volada, gey.
It may happen, but the motorcycle, there...
10:10
- But, but Im telling you, they never move
With the motorcycle is real quick, dude.
CHE
- [UI]
ORT
- O sea en cuanto yo te diga, t ya vas a estar
- I mean, as soon as I tell you, youre going
10
de aquel lado. Y sabes qu, gey? Estate listo
to be on that side. And you know what,
11
para que te puedas quedar en alguna sombra o
dude? Be ready, so that you can be under
12
algo. Y en cuanto te...Fum!, fierro, te dejas venir,
a shade or something. And as soon as I...
13
gey. Cruzas todos los carros, de volada.
Bam! Go for it, you come over, dude.
CHE
- [UI]
ORT
14
Cross all the cars, real quick.
15
CHE
16
- S, te vas por entre medio. No, s, estoy bien
- Yes, you can go in between. No, yes,
17
pesado pa la moto yo.
Im pretty good with a motorcycle.
18
ORT
19
- S, y de volada. Y como te digo, si no cabe
- Yes and real quick. And like Im telling
20
tanto, gey, pero [UI]
you, it doesnt carry a lot, dude, but [UI]
21
CHE
22
- Pero pasar diario.
23
ORT
24
- Aj.
25
CHE
26
- Diario, cada dos das.
27
ORT
28
- Simn. ndale! Cada dos, tres das.
CHE
ORT
CHE
- But cross every day.
ORT
- Uh-huh.
CHE
- Every day, every two days.
ORT
10:40
- Yeah. There you go! Every two, three
29
days.
30
31
32
33
34
ORT
35
- No. No, te digo, gey, que...s, gey que hay
36
que hacer esa madre ya, gey. Pero, pos
USA v. Ortiz, Oscar
ORT
16:17
- No. No, Im telling you, dude, that...yes,

dude, we have to do that shit already,
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Filed 07/13/11 Page 74 of 92
Time
Translation
ponte las pilas, a la verga, pus...[OL]
dude. But, get your act together and shit,
I mean...[OL]
CHE
- S, gey. Yo maana, mira, maana no voy
- Yes, dude. Tomorrow I, look, tomorrow
hacer nada, para no echarte mentiras.
Im not going to do anything, Im not going
CHE
to bullshit you.
ORT
- No, s, s, s.
CHE
ORT
- No, yes, yes, yes.
CHE
10
- Pero el lunes, gey, el lunes yo me voy a
- But on Monday, dude, on Monday Im
11
tender pa Mexicali pa hablar con mi compadre,
going to take off to Mexicali to talk to my
12
gey y, y ya quedar bien en el tiempo. En caso
buddy, dude, and, and already agree on
13
de que no pudiera mi compadre con, con, con,
the time. In case my buddy cant [get] the,
14
con la chiva, pues...
the, the, the heroin, then...
15
ORT
16
- Aj.
17
CHE
18
- ...o con chiva o con ice, o lo que sea que
- ...or heroin or ice, whatever he can help
19
me pudiera hacer el paro l. Vendemos perico, a
me out with. Well sell cocaine, and shit.
20
la verga.
21
ORT
22
- S, gey!
23
CHE
24
- S, vendemos perico de poquito en poquito,
- Yes, well sell cocaine, little by little, as
25
pero que caiga, gey.
long as [money] is coming in, dude.
26
ORT
27
- Si, si, si eso se te hace ms pelada para no
- If, if, if you think thats easier so as not
28
involucrar mucho pedo...
to involve a lot of trouble...
29
CHE
30
- No, no, es que no, no, no es de...o sea, no es
31
por involucrar mucho pedo,
32
ORT
33
- Mmm.
34
CHE
35
- ...sino que yo me tengo que hacer responsable
- ...but I have to be accountable for the
36
por la mercanca.
merchandise.
USA v. Ortiz, Oscar
ORT
- Uh-huh.
CHE
ORT
- Yes, dude!
CHE
ORT
CHE
16:46
- No, no, its not, no, its not...I mean, its

not about involving a lot of trouble,
ORT
- Mmm.
CHE
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CHE
- A m me dan la mercanca que yo quiera.
ORT
- Aj.
CHE
- O sea no hay pedo por ese lado.
Filed 07/13/11 Page 75 of 92
Time
Translation
CHE
- They give me the merchandise I want.
ORT
- Uh-huh.
CHE
- I mean, theres no problem because of
that.
ORT
- Pero...
ORT
- But...
10
CHE
11
- Noms necesito que esos geyes tengan, pues.
- I just need those guys to have [some],
12
Porque les estn llegando de poquito en
I mean. Because they get it little by little.
13
poquito. Esos geyes...como ahorita est
Those dudes...because its really hot in
14
bien caliente en Mexicali, gey.
Mexicali right now, dude.
15
La verga, gey!
Fuck, dude!
16
ORT
17
- S?
18
CHE
19
- La otra vez le cayeron los soldados a un
- The other day, the soldiers came down
20
compadre mo. Yo, yo lo menos posible que
on a buddy of mine. Me, the least I have
21
pueda salir pa Mexicali, gey.
to go to Mexicali, dude.
22
ORT
23
- Okay. Deja te digo este pedo. Me imagino
- Okay. Let me tell you this stuff. I imagine
24
que t tienes la conecte ac no?
you have a connection here, right?
25
CHE
26
- S.
27
ORT
28
- Y esos batos qu mueven?
29
CHE
30
- Lo que quieras, gey.
31
ORT
32
- Ah, y, y pero no te sueltan lo otro, lo dems
33
o qu?
34
CHE
35
- S, gey. S, a m me sueltan lo que quiera.
- Yes, dude. Yes, they give me whatever
36
Por eso te digo que tengo que hablar con el
I want. Thats why Im telling you I have to
USA v. Ortiz, Oscar
CHE
ORT
- Really?
CHE
ORT
CHE
- Yes.
ORT
- And what do those dudes move?
CHE
- Whatever you want, dude.
ORT
17:17
- Uh, and, and, but, they wont give you

the other stuff, the other stuff or what?
CHE
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compadre pa que noms me la suelten.
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talk to my buddy so that they let me have

it.
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[9/14/10 DVD]
CHE
- Machn. S, gey.
ORT
- S?
CHE
- Ya tengo todo ah, gey.
ORT
[9/14/10 DVD]
CHE
03:31
- Tight. Yes, dude.

ORT
- Really?
CHE
- I have everything there, dude.
ORT
10
- Pero, de qu? Qu pedo?
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CHE
12
- Cristaln.
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ORT
14
- S?
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CHE
16
- Cristal, metanfetamina...Lo que quieras ahorita.
- Crystal, methamphetamine...Whatever
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A la verga!
you want right now. Fuck it!
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ORT
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- S, s, s.
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CHE
21
- Ests solo, gey?
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ORT
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- S. Pero, hay un billete ah?
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CHE
25
- Machn.
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ORT
27
- S?
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CHE
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- Mira, si pasamos treinta kilos...No, quince,
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te voy a poner, quince, gey, pa no irnos muy
Im going to say, fifteen, dude, so we dont
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recio. Treinta mil bolas as de volada, gey.
rush too much. Thirty thousand bucks,
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Treinta mil bolas en caliente, gey. T...
just that quick, dude. Thirty thousand
- But of what? Whats the deal?

CHE
- Crystal.
ORT
- Really?
CHE
ORT
- Yes, yes, yes.
CHE
- Are you alone, dude?
ORT
- Yes. But, is there any money there?
CHE
- Tight.
ORT
- Really?
CHE
03:45
- Look, if we cross thirty kilos...No, fifteen,
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bucks, right away, dude. You...
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ORT
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- Ssssh.
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CHE
USA v. Ortiz, Oscar
ORT
- Sssh.
CHE
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- Y ah t sabes, gey. Ah no vamos a
- And you know, dude. Were not going to
batallar ni madre. Pasamos. Y noms as dame
struggle at all. We cross. And you just give
quebrada pal da siguiente y yo te doy tu feria.
me a break and the next day Ill give you
Ya ves que el otro da pus no, no, no fue...
your money. You see like the other day,
it was not, it wasnt...
ORT
- Pero, a la verga! Ah, pus ayer, gey, no,
- But, fuck! There, yesterday, dude, no,
no se miraba tanto pedo, gey.
there wasnt too much trouble, dude.
CHE
10
- No. Ya ests en la garita nueva?
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ORT
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- S.
ORT
CHE
- No. Are you at the new port already?
ORT
- Yes.
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CHE
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- Calmados y la chingada y noms eso, gey.
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Mira, treinta mil bolas ahorita, gey, nos sacan
thirty thousand bucks right now, dude,
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de un chingo de broncas y...
will get us out of trouble and...
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ORT
21
- Ssss.
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CHE
23
- ...y, y a la verga, nos podemos calmar una
- ...and, and shit, we can calm down for a
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semana, dos semanas y otro.
week, two weeks and another one.
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ORT
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- Aj.
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CHE
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- Y otro, as, y as ya, a la verga, broncas...[OL]
CHE
04:38
- Calm and shit and just that, dude. Look,
ORT
- Ssss.
CHE
ORT
- Uh-huh.
CHE
- And another one, like that, and like that,
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and shit, problems...[OL]
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ORT
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- S.
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CHE
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- ...ni nada, gey. Y en caliente, yo me encargo,
- ...or anything, dude. And right away, Ill
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gey. Ahorita noms lo nico que estoy
take care of it, dude. Right now Im just
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revisando si le caben quince kilos a la Cherokee.
checking that fifteen kilos fit in the
ORT
- Yes.
CHE
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Cherokee.
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ORT
- Mmmj.
CHE
- Si no, voy a agarrar otro carro, gey, pero yo te
lo voy a traer antes para que lo mires.
Translation
ORT
- Mm-hmm.
CHE
04:57
- Otherwise, Im going to get another car,

dude, but Im going to bring it to you
so you can look at it.
ORT
- Mmmj.
ORT
- Mm-hmm.
9
10
11
12
ORT
13
- Ah es como, como si no hay lnea, te puedes
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venir, porque ira despus de las once, como
come, because, look, after eleven, during
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entre semana...Estoy hablando entre semana, en
the week...Im talking about during the
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fin de semana no.
week, not on the weekend.
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CHE
18
- Aj.
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ORT
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- Despus de las once. Noms hay cuatro
- After eleven. There are only four lanes.
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lneas. Est una, dos, tres, cuatro.
Theres one, two, three, four. Theyre
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Estn abiertas. So, ah miras donde estoy, a la
open. So, see where Im at, and shit.
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verga.
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CHE
25
- Aj. Es lo que te iba a decir. Despus de las
- Uh-huh. Thats what I was going to tell
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once siempre hay cuatro, pero estn siempre
you. After eleven theres always four, but
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pegadas o est una y la otra? [OL]
are they always next to each other or
ORT
05:38
- Thats like, if theres no line, you can
CHE
- Uh-huh.
ORT
CHE
28
theres one and then the other one? [OL]
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ORT
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- S. No, siempre estn pegadas, siempre estn
- Yes. No, theyre always next to each
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pegadas. [OL]
other. Theyre always next to each
ORT
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other. [OL]
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CHE
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- Ah, eso no.
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ORT
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- Estn pegadas y aparte, pero es que ah
USA v. Ortiz, Oscar
CHE
- Oh, that, no.
ORT
- Theyre next to each other and also,
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moto est...no le cabe a una moto aqu?
but, a motorcycle there is...it doesnt fit in
a motorcycle here?
CHE
- No, gey! Me llevo el pinche mochila y me
- No, dude! If I take a fucking backpack, I
voy pa atrs a la verga, gey. En el carro est
am going to fall back and shit, dude. In a
bien pelada, gey. O sea est bien pelada,
car is a piece of cake, dude. I mean, its a
porque mira, por cualquier cosa que pase, pues
piece of cake, because, look, if something
me la voy a rifar. Me entiendes?
happens, Im going to risk everything. Do
Porque si te cambian o lo que sea, pus yo me
CHE
06:24
you understand? Because if they change
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meto y a la verga! A ver como me sale.
you or whatever, Im crossing and fuck it!
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O sea, va bien clavado, gey. O sea va
Well see what happens. I mean, its well
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bien...despus te voy a ensear el clavo, de esa
hidden, dude. I mean, its really...Ill show
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madre, gey.
you the trap later, of that shit, dude.
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ORT
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- Y, y los perros que estn ah valen verga?
ORT
- And, and the dogs there are fucking
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worthless?
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CHE
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- No, no los perros me pegan la verga, gey.
- No, the dogs kiss my ass, dude. Theres
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No hay pedo, gey. E...esa madre, lo nico
no problem, dude. T...that shit, the only
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que huelen machn, machn, es la mota. Mota
thing they smell really well, really well, is
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no llevamos.
pot. We dont take pot.
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ORT
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- No, no, s agarran esa madre, gey.
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CHE
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- No, s agarran, gey, pero, ira...[OL]
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ORT
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- Hay unos que si pegan.
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- La neta, te voy a decir la neta, los que agarran
- The real truth, Im going to tell you the
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as, gey, es porque ya llevan dedo, gey.
truth, the ones they catch, dude its
CHE
ORT
- No, no, they do pick up that shit, dude.
CHE
- No, they do, dude, but, look...[OL]
ORT
- There are some who pick it up.
CHE
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because they are fingered, dude.
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ORT
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- S?
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CHE
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- S, gey porque la...nosotros hemos pasado
- Yes, dude, because the...we have
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as con, con un cuadro, gey, noms pa calar
crossed like that with, with a brick, dude,
USA v. Ortiz, Oscar
ORT
- Really?
CHE
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a ver qu pedo el perro, gey.
just to try it out, to see what the fuck with
the dog, dude.
ORT
- Mmmj.
CHE
- Nada, gey. Noms bien curado y nada, gey.
- Nothing, dude. Just very well cured and
Nada as.
nothing, dude. Nothing, like that.
ORT
- Si yo jalo ah, yo s qu pedo, gey.
ORT
- Mm-hmm.
CHE
ORT
- I work there, I know what the deal is,
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dude.
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CHE
12
- No, pus yo s, gey. Pero pus yo tambin
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ando afuera y de cabrn ac.
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ORT
15
- No, pus s, gey. Pero estamos hablando de
- No, well, yes, dude. But were talking
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que...pa que salgan bien las cosas, gey Si me
about...so that things go right, dude. Do
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entiendes?
you see what I mean?
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CHE
19
- Pero en una moto est muy cabrn, gey, o
- But in a motorcycle is tougher, dude, I
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sea, o sea...
mean, I mean...
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ORT
22
- Es que se me hace bien pelada.
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CHE
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- No, a m se me hace bien pelada tambin,
- No, I also think its a piece of cake, dude.
25
gey, pero, por ejemplo, no voy a poder meter
But, for example, I wont be able to cross
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quince kilos de cristal en una moto.
with fifteen kilos of crystal in a motorcycle.
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Me entiendes?
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O, o metanfetaminas. [UI]
Or, or methamphetamine. [UI]
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ORT
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- Puede caber en una pinche mochila.
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- Pero, e...ese es el pedo gey, o sea, si llevo
- But, t...thats the problem, dude, I mean,
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una mochila, voy a tener que rifarme en la
if I bring a backpack, Im going to have to
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mochila, porque si en un atorn o lo que sea,
risk the backpack, because if I get stuck
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imagnate, gey.
or whatever, imagine, dude. Do you
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Me entiendes? Ir con un pinche mochiln.
understand? Go with a fucking backpack.
USA v. Ortiz, Oscar
CHE
07:02
- No, well, I know, dude. But Im also out

here and like a mother fucker over here.
ORT
CHE
ORT
- I think its a piece of cake.
CHE
ORT
- It can fit in a fucking backpack.
CHE
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Imag...cua...es ms...
ORT
- Yo s [UI]
CHE
- S. Voy a...pa bajarme y tirarlos y salir
- Yes. Im going to... to get off and throw
corriendo a la verga, una pinche mochila, gey,
it away and take off running, fuck it, a
es un billetn que vamos a perder si se caen.
fucking backpack, dude. Its a bunch of
Imagi...when...actually...
ORT
- I know [UI]
CHE
8
9
money we would loose if it falls apart.

ORT
ORT
10
- S verdad?
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CHE
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- S, gey! Eso es lo que no quiero, pues.
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Y luego, vas...[OL]
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ORT
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- Prate, prate, ira, es que yo estoy diciendo
- Hold on, hold on. Look, Im telling you
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en una moto, gey, est bien pelado! Porque
in a motorcycle, dude, its a piece of cake!
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t llegas y miras onde toy y te vas hasta
Because you arrive and look where Im at
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enfrente. Y luego, prate, gey, ah no hay de
and you go all the way up front. And then,
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que te va a tocar secundaria, gey. Porque,
hold on, dude, theres no such thing as you
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porque ah, yo pongo las placas, pues. Yo...
are going to go to secondary inspection,
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Si me entiendes? Y si quiero lo apunto y
dude. Because, because I enter the plates
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si no, no.
there, I mean. Me...do you see what Im
- Yes, right?
CHE
07:43
- Yes, dude! Thats what I dont want, I

mean. And then, you go...[OL]
ORT
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saying? And if I want to write it down and
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if not, I dont.
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CHE
26
- Y, y en el carro salen a huevo?
CHE
- And, and in the car, they come out no
27
matter what?
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ORT
29
- Y, y ah yo me hago como, la agarro, como yo
- And, and I pretend like, I take it, like I
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siempre chec las mochilas, as noms le hago,
always check backpacks, I just go like that,
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la mochila y pus noms nada y ya. [UI]
the backpack and well, just nothing and
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Y P! Fierro! A la verga! Est bien pelado
thats it. [UI] And bam! Go for it! Shit! Its
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en la moto, gey! Y nadie se las huele tanto.
a piece of cake in the motorcycle, dude!
ORT
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And no one thinks somethings up.
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CHE
36
- Pero, pero no podamos jalar hasta cundo?
USA v. Ortiz, Oscar
CHE
- But, but we cant work, until when? Well,
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Pus hasta el viernes, a la verga.
ORT
- Por qu?
CHE
- Porque dices que el jueves no vas a jalar,
- Because you say that youre not working
pues.
on Thursday.
ORT
- Hasta el viernes.
CHE
not until Friday, and shit.

ORT
- Why?
CHE
ORT
- Not until Friday.
CHE
10
- Pero, el viernes ya hay ms fila no? O el
- But on Friday theres a bigger line, right?
11
viernes tambin se puede hacer despus de
Or can we do it on Friday after eleven?
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las once?
13
ORT
14
- Pues s. Pero tambin se puede hacer en el da
- Well, yes. But it can be done during the
15
cuando est quebrando el sol ya, pues.
day when the sun is rising already, I mean.
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CHE
17
- Ya no hay tanta fila?
18
ORT
19
- No, pero de todos modos, ah aunque haya fila
20
est, est bien.
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CHE
22
- S. O sea si es en la moto s, a la hora que
- Yes. I mean, if its in the motorcycle, at
23
sea, porque no hay pedo, pus oye te vas
any time, because theres no problem,
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hasta el frente.
because you go all the way in front.
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ORT
26
- Aj.
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CHE
28
- Pero si es en el carro, necesitamos esperarnos
- But if its in the car, we need to wait
29
hasta las once o algo ac.
until eleven or something over here.
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ORT
31
- Simn. Pero, [UI] yo s lo que te digo en moto,
- Yeah. But, [UI] I know what Im talking
32
no s, gey, se me hace bien pelada, gey.
about in a motorcycle. I dont know, dude
33
Es que...[OL]
I think its a piece of cake, dude. I mean...
ORT
CHE
- Theres not so much line?
ORT
08:40
- No, but anyway, even if theres a long

line is okay there, its okay.
CHE
ORT
- Uh-huh.
CHE
ORT
34
[OL]
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CHE
36
- Pero sabes qu? Necesito entonces,
USA v. Ortiz, Oscar
CHE
- But, do you know what? So, I need to
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conseguir una moto, pero que sea como esas
get a motorcycle, but like those things,
madres, como scooter, algo ac, gey, para
like a scooter, something, dude, to be
poder poner ac abajo una mochila amarrada.
able to put something down here, a
backpack tied up.
ORT
- Pero ah ya se mira bien ac... Es que, ira,
- But there it looks sort of...Look, those
las scooters esas cuando abres el asiento
scooters, when you open the seat, they
traen un cuadro ah adentro.
have a square inside.
CHE
10
- Aj.
11
ORT
12
- Traen un cuadro ah. So, ah puede ir ac y
- They have a square in there. So, it can
13
una mochila, no mames, le cabe un putero,
go in there and a backpack, get the fuck
14
gey.
out, a whole lot, dude.
15
CHE
16
- Pero no le cabe tanto, gey. No, si en los...!
- But not much fits, dude. No, if in the...!
17
Por ejemplo, mira...[OL]
Look, for example...[OL]
18
ORT
19
- Estn as los cuadritos, gey.
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CHE
21
- En los pies podra meter una mochila.
22
Ya ves que van tipo puto ac, as... [OL]
ORT
CHE
- Uh-huh.
ORT
CHE
ORT
- The small squares are like these, dude.
CHE
09:24
- I could fit in a backpack by the feet. You

know they go kind of faggedy, like
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this...[OL]
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ORT
25
- No, pero es que se mira bien...a ti no te queda
- No, but it looks too...you dont look good
26
esa madre, gey.
with that shit, dude.
27
CHE
28
- Pero con casco, a la verga qu?
29
ORT
30
- Por qu no te compras una moto
- Why dont you buy a good motorcycle,
31
bien, gey?
dude?
32
CHE
33
- Es que si agarro una moto, ac, como de
- Because if I get a motorcycle, here, do
34
carreras dices t?
you mean like a race bike?
35
ORT
36
- Aj.
USA v. Ortiz, Oscar
ORT
CHE
- But with a helmet, fuck it, what?
ORT
CHE
ORT
- Uh-huh.
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CHE
- As, chida?
ORT
- Pero, pero no tan chila.
CHE
- Pero no me va a caber, una... imagnate.
- But its not going to fit, a...imagine. A
Una mochila. No tienes una mochila?
backpack. Do you have a backpack?
ORT
- Una mochila le caben fcil diez kilos,
- Ten kilos fit easily in a backpack, dude.
10
gey. Pelada, gey.
Piece of cake, dude.
11
CHE
12
- Bien acomodado, pero tambin se mira bien
- Well arranged, but it would look all
13
inflado no?
inflated, right?
14
ORT
15
- No! Pos, por eso la vas a mirar. Vas a
- No! Well, thats why youre going to look
16
venir, vas a venir. Te digo, pues si es una
at it. Youre going to come, youre going to
17
mochila le caben como, a como de perdida, unos
come. Im telling you if its a backpack like,
18
cinco, se me hace poquitos, gey. A la mochililla
at least like, some five, I think its a few,
19
esa de lonche. [OL]
dude. In a lunch backpack. [OL]
20
CHE
21
- A cul? Al de lonche?
22
ORT
23
- Y es una mochililla, es una mochila normal
- And it is a small backpack, its a normal
24
ac de...
backpack like...
25
CHE
26
- No, no le caben cinco kilos a esa madre.
27
ORT
28
- S, gey!
29
CHE
30
- Si viene la carga.
31
ORT
32
- Pues s, gey, cinco kilos, gey, de volada los
- Well, yes, dude, five kilos, dude, you can
33
acomodas, a la verga!
arrange them real quick, and shit! Three
34
Tres as, tres as, gey y dos as. Cmo no le
like this, three like this, dude, and two like
35
caben ah? Pelada, gey!
this. What do you mean theyre not going
36
Ey, gey, pus si yo he mirado los clavos en el
to fit? Piece of cake, dude! Hey, dude, I
USA v. Ortiz, Oscar
CHE
- All cool?
ORT
- But, but not that cool.
CHE
ORT
CHE
ORT
CHE
10:04
- Which one? In a lunch backpack?

ORT
CHE
- No, that shit wont fit five kilos.
ORT
- Yes, dude!
CHE
- If its loaded.
ORT
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diferencial traen hasta siete kilos, a la verga,
have seen the traps in the differential,
as, en el diferencial.
they bring in up to seven pounds, fuck it,
like that in the differential.
CHE
- Ah, s es cierto [UI]
- Oh, thats true [UI] But they make it into
Pero ah los hacen bolita ac, gey, la verga.
a ball here, dude, and shit.
ORT
- Por eso te digo. Es que como te digo, yo te
- Thats why Im telling you. Its like Im
estoy diciendo como est pelada. T quieres
telling you, Im telling you what a piece of
10
aventarte en carro, pus ni pedo. Pero, en carro,
cake it is. You want to go for it in a car,
11
es que ah es un pedo pues, porque ah la placa,
well, no problem. But, in a car, its though
12
la flashea la verga ah. Pus sale en la
there, I mean. Because the plates are
13
computadora y pus sale as.
flashed and shit there. Well, it comes up
CHE
ORT
14
in the computer like that.
15
CHE
16
- Pero tambin si le pongo la placa de atrs,
- But if I also put the plate in the back, the
17
la negra, gey, la esa madre, a la hora del
black one, dude, that shit, at the time of
18
flashazo, no sale. Tienes t que ir a ver para
flashing, it wont come out. You have to go
19
apuntar la placa no?
look to write down the plate, right?
20
ORT
21
- S, pero eso es lo que no quiero hacer. Porque
- Yes, but thats what I dont want to do.
22
es gastar el tiempo. Y si vienen alguien, a la
Because its a waste of time. And if
23
verga o algo.
someone comes and shit or something.
CHE
ORT
24
25
26
27
ORT
28
- Simn. Pero yo te deca, como t...
29
Ira, gey, yo s lo que te digo, en moto est
I know what Im telling you, in a motorcycle
30
pelado. En moto est pelado. T quie...cunto
is a piece of cake. In a motorcycle is a
31
quieres meter en carro?
piece of cake. You wan...how much do you
ORT
12:02
- Yeah. But I was telling you, you...Look,
32
want to cross in a car?
33
CHE
34
- Quince kilos. Quince kilillos, noms.
35
ORT
36
- Pues, en carro, pus si quieres hacerlo, pues
USA v. Ortiz, Oscar
CHE
- Fifteen kilos. Just fifteen kilos.
ORT
- Well, in a car, I mean, if you want to do
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Translation
avintate.
CHE
- S, quince kilos. En el primero, gey. Y
- Yes, fifteen kilos. In the first one, dude.
ya vamos y compramos equipo, a la verga.
And then, we go and buy equipment, and
Mira, son treinta mil bolas, a la verga, gey.
shit. Look, its thirty thousand bucks,
it, well, go for it.

CHE
and shit, dude.
ORT
- Mmmj.
CHE
ORT
- Mm-hmm.
CHE
10
- Vamos y compramos una pinchi moto en
- Lets go and buy a fucking motorcycle
11
caliente, pa all pa El Cajon, a la verga.
right away, over there in El Cajon, and
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shit.
13
ORT
14
- S. Aj.
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CHE
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- Y luego, ya empezamos a meter despacio.
- And then, were going to start crossing
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Ya con una feria, o sea, que el pedo es ya traer
slowly. Once we have money, I mean, the
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una feria en la bolsa, pues.
deal is to have some money in our
ORT
- Yes. Uh-huh.
CHE
19
pocket, I mean.
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ORT
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- Treinta mil bolas de a madre!
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CHE
23
- Treinta mil bolas ya sacas el pinchi carro, lo
- Thirty thousand bucks, get the fucking
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arreglas de todo a todo. Y a la verga.
car, have it fixed all around it. And fuck it.
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ORT
26
- S, ya...
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CHE
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- Y el motor nuevo.
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ORT
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- S, ya con treinta mil bolas, ya te puedes calmar 12:35
- Yes, with thirty thousand bucks, you can
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un ratillo, gey.
calm down for a while, dude.
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CHE
33
- S, gey!
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ORT
35
- Veda?
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CHE
USA v. Ortiz, Oscar
ORT
- Thirty thousand buck, fucking tight!
CHE
ORT
- Yes, already...
CHE
- And a new engine.
ORT
CHE
- Yes, dude!
ORT
- Right?
CHE
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- Pelada, gey! Machn!
ORT
- Es una feria.
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Time
Translation
- Piece of cake, dude! Tight!
ORT
- Its good money.
4
5
CHE
- S, ya de perdida no?
ORT
- Un billetn.
CHE
CHE
23:06
- Yes, at least, right?

ORT
- Good money.
CHE
10
- Ahora cumple aos, all la Blanca, s.
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ORT
12
- S? [OL]
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CHE
14
- No, yo no digo! Yo no! [OL]
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ORT
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- Ira, gey! Ira, gey! Yo te voy a decir
- Look, dude! Look, dude! Im going to
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algo, gey.
tell you something, dude.
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CHE
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- [Rindose] Yo noms va a ser una bronca,
- [Laughing] I, its just going to be trouble,
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gey.
dude.
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ORT
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- Un billete, gey. Hacer un buen billete. Ya
- Money, dude. To make some good
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un buen billete y luego, ya hace uno hasta lo
money. Some good money and then,
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que no, a la verga. Por qu? Oye, ya.
we can do whatever, fuck it. Why? Hey,
25
Si me entiendes, gey? Pero, primero, ahorita,
already. Do you see what I mean, dude?
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ahorita, vamos a decir, pasa algo, gey. No
But, first, right now, right now, lets say,
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tiene uno nada a la verga.
something happens, dude, we dont have
- Today its Blancas birthday, over there.

ORT
- Is it? [OL]
CHE
- No, I wont say! I wont! [OL]
ORT
CHE
ORT
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shit.
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CHE
30
- Ya s. Un chinguern...[OL]
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ORT
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- Entonces, cuando tienes un billete, te vale
- So, when you have money, you dont
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verga. Yo me pela la verga.
give a fuck. I dont give a fuck.
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CHE
35
- Pus nos abrimos a la chingada pa Mxico
- Well, we can get the fuck out, to Mexico
36
un tiempo, verga, a ver.
for a while, fuck it, well see.
USA v. Ortiz, Oscar
CHE
23:28
- I know. A whole lot...[OL]

ORT
CHE
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- Pero, que te den buen billete, digo.
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Translation
ORT
- But, I mean, that they give you good
money.
CHE
- Pues, s. No, aqu s vamos hacer un buen
- Well, yes. No, were going to make some
billete. Mira, aqu, despacito, por ejemplo, esto
good money here. Look, here, slowly, for
son treinta bolas, gey, ya.
example, this is thirty grand, dude,
CHE
8
9
already.
ORT
ORT
10
- Mmmj.
11
CHE
12
- Ponle t que metamos treinta bolas a la
- Lets say we cross thirty grand per
13
semana.
week.
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ORT
15
- Aj, ira. Es...[OL]
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CHE
17
- chele pluma noms, cunto tiempo
18
trabajas.
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ORT
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- Simn.
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CHE
22
- O sea, y de aqu dices que t, de aqu a
- I mean, and youre saying that from
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diciembre ya te van a quitar de la lnea, te van a
here, from here to December theyre
24
mandar...De aqu a diciembre, la verga, gey.
going to move you from the border. They
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Noms chele treinta mil bolas por semana.
are sending you...From here to
- Mm-hmm.
CHE
ORT
- Uh-huh, look. Its...[OL]
CHE
- Just do the math, how long you work.
ORT
- Yeah.
CHE
26
December, shit, dude. Just do the math.
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ORT
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- S.
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CHE
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- Noms, as!
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ORT
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- Noms.
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CHE
34
- Despacito, gey. Uno a la semana, vamos
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a ponerle. Que no es uno a la semana, son
Its not one per week, sometimes they
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a veces, tres.
are three.
USA v. Ortiz, Oscar
ORT
- Yes.
CHE
- Just like that!
ORT
- Just that.
CHE
23:57
- Slowly, dude. One per week, lets say.
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Translation
ORT
- Cuando...como a veces pienso, como te digo,
- When...sometimes I think, like I told you
vas y procesando y procesando, a la verga, un
youre processing and processing, shit,
putero y no toca nada, gey. Nada, gey. Y digo,
a fucking bunch and nothing, dude.
imagnate, unos diez de estos, a la verga.
Nothing, dude. And Im thinking, imagine,
ORT
ten like these, shit.
CHE
- Fjate. O sea, ya que estemos bien enrolados,
- Look. I mean, once were on a roll, I
o sea, como te digo, metemos unos dos carros.
mean, like I told you, well cross two cars.
10
Yo lo meto, lo dejo en la gasolinera, a la verga!
Ill cross it, leave it at the gas station,
CHE
11
fuck it!
12
ORT
13
- Aj.
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CHE
15
- Tengo otro carro ah, me regreso en caliente,
- I have another car there, Ill come right
16
agarro el otro y me meto.
back, Ill get the other one and Ill come in.
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ORT
18
19
- O, o no, o simplemente, no pero es

que...[OL]
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CHE
21
- En diferente horario, pues tambin.
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ORT
23
- Aj.
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CHE
25
- O sea que metamos uno y luego ya, al rato que
- I mean, we cross one and then, then
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vuelvas a caer otra vez a la misma, metemos el
thats it. Later, when you go back to the
27
otro. O sea, dos en el da, gey. Son sesenta mil
same [port], we cross the other one. I
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bolas, gey, la verga.
mean, two per day, dude. Its sixty
ORT
- Uh-huh.
CHE
ORT
- Or, or not, or simply, no, but its...[OL]
CHE
- Well, in a different schedule too.
ORT
- Uh-huh.
CHE
29
thousand bucks, dude, and shit.
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ORT
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- S.
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CHE
33
- Por un da de jale, gey. Imagnate!
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ORT
35
- Ssssh.
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CHE
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- Un chingo de jale, gey.
USA v. Ortiz, Oscar
ORT
- Yes.
CHE
- For one day of work, dude. Imagine!
ORT
- Sssh.
CHE
- A whole bunch of work, dude.
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Translation
ORT
- Es un chingo de billete!
CHE
- Y ahorita ya, nosotros, gey, ya de aqu pa
- And right now, we, dude, from now on,
adelante, gey, puro cristal, a la verga. Cristal
dude, just crystal and shit. Crystal or
o metanfetaminas o perico si quieres y chiva,
methamphetamine or cocaine if you want
gey. Si metemos chiva, ah si ya va haber un
and heroin, dude. If we cross heroin, there
buen billete, gey. [OL]
is going to be good money, dude. [OL]
ORT
ORT
24:37
- Its a bunch of money!

CHE
ORT
10
- S? Y ya est ms cabrn para agarrar
- Really? And is it tougher to get that
11
ese [UI]?
[UI]?
12
CHE
13
- S, gey.
14
ORT
15
- O es [UI] de la buena [UI]?
16
CHE
17
- No, es lo que te iba a decir. Est ms
- No, thats what I was going to tell you.
18
cabrn, pero tambin est ms cabrn el...Si
Its tougher, but its also tougher the... If a
19
se te cae un jale de chiva, nombre! me andan
heroin job goes wrong, man! they can
20
matando a la verga, gey.
have me killed, dude.
21
ORT
22
- S?
23
CHE
24
- S. Por...[OL]
25
ORT
26
- [UI]
27
CHE
28
- Ese es el pedo. Por eso los batos quieren
29
primero aventar cristal. Si los batos pegan bien
want to send crystal first. If the dudes hit
30
machn y todo, pus ya nos sueltan lo grande,
it tight and all, then, they give us something
31
gey. Pero hay que meterle dos, tres
big, dude. But we have to cross two,
32
jalecillos as chidos.
three jobs like that, nice.
33
ORT
34
- Chiva, gey. Sssh.
35
CHE
36
- S, verdad?. Es un billetn, gey! De perdida
USA v. Ortiz, Oscar
CHE
- Yes, dude.
ORT
- Or is it [UI] good one [UI]?
CHE
ORT
- Really?
CHE
- Yes. For...[OL]
ORT
- [UI]
CHE
25:00
- Thats the problem. Thats why the dudes
- Heroin, dude. Sssh.
- Yes, right? Its good money, dude! At
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Time
Translation
le andamos tirando unos sesenta mil bolas,
least, were hitting some sixty thousand
setenta mil bolas, por jale.
bucks, seventy thousand bucks, per job.
ORT
- [UI]
CHE
- Por jale, gey.
ORT
- Imagnate!
ORT
- [UI]
CHE
- Per job, dude.
ORT
25:20
- Imagine!
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SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA

U.S. v. Oscar Ortiz

Prepared for Assistant U.S. AARON CLARK

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Victor (addressed as such on recording)

Chente, (addressed as such on recording)

Agent [addressed as Too on recording]

Unidentified male voice [male voice 1, 2, etc.]

Source language is English

Source language is Spanish

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You didnt bring the money?

Chente, you didnt bring the money?

No trajiste el dinero to show me?

You didnt bring the money to show

No, pues, s, gey.

No, well, yeah, dude.

No-los treinta mil bolas quieres verlos?

No-the thirty thousand bucks, you

Los sesenta mil bolas?

wanna see them? The sixty thousand

Money, money, el salario o feria, gey.

Para ver lo que... si es for real or not for

dude. To see if its for real or not for real

Pues, no... es que mira, Victor, ayer me

dijiste que simn, verdad? Y me dijiste,

yesterday you told me yeah, right?

te voy a hablar al rato.

And you told me, Im gonna call you in

Money, money, the salary or dough,

But didnt... its cuz, look, Victor,

Ese bato... te voy a decir as, ira, gey, mi

camarada, gey, ya est listo. Te voy a

like this. Look, dude, my pal, dude, hes

decir cmo se llama. Se apellida Ortz.

already ready. Im going to tell you what

That dude...Im going to explain it to you

his name is. His last names Ortiz.

Ortz. Tal... y as el bato, pelon as, y la

Ortiz. Like... and the dude is like, his

chingada. Este camarada fue a la escuela

hairs shaved/bald like that, and shit.

conmigo, y trabaj ah en el campo un