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theory.AmanwhocanbothhaveaconferencewithAlaindeBenoistandalsoclaimto
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himcastaccusationsofracismandwonderwhyhessoundinglikeaBuzzfeedcolumnist.Putin
fansidolizehimasthearchitectofglobaltraditionalistresurgence.TheWeststilldominates
muchoftheglobe,andtheCathedraldominatesalloftheWest.BothDuginandNeoreaction
aredeconstructingthatCathedralsideologicaloperatingsystem.Butweshouldntassumethat
DuginsprojectisthesameastheNeoreactionaryone.Aswellsee,theirmeansand
motivationshavesomesharpdivergences.
Fortheuninitiated,DugincallshistheoreticalframeworktheFourthPoliticalTheory(4PT).Its
namehintsatitsfoundations.DuginholdsthatsincetheEnlightenment,threepoliticaltheories
havewrestledforglobalcontrol.Liberalismcamefirst,andannihilatedtheoldChristianand
monarchicorder.Whenitthinksaboutsociety,itfocusesontheindividualperson.Communism
camesecond,androseinreactiontoLiberalism.Ittakesthesocioeconomicclassasits
subject.ThiswasbecauseLiberalindividualismfailedtoaddressthesituationofthepoorand
workingclasses,nowthatthebourgeoisiehadoverthrowntheirownmasters.Thethirdtheoryis
Fascism,anditreactedagainstbothCommunismanditsLiberalpredecessor.Ittriedto
overcomethedivisionofindividualsandclassesbybasingsocietyonacommonfoundation.In
caseslikeItaly,ittooktheStateasitsstartingpoint.InGermany,theracialvolkplayedthisrole.
CommunismandLiberalismdefeatedFascism,andLiberalismeventuallyovercameitsformer
allytoo,andnowstandstriumphant.Duginclaimsthatitcanonlybechallengedbyafourth
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existence.Infact,ourworldisacomplexofallthesethings:weindividualsarepartofanethno
culturalwhole,apoliticalorder,andaparticularstationinthatorder.The4PTclaimstotakea
holisticviewofthehumanbeingandacceptsalltheserealities.Daseinrealexistenceinthe
worldcantbesoslicklyreducedtoasetofaxioms.Humansaredifferent.Ethnicitiesdiffer.
Culturesandhistoriesdiffer.Geopoliticalrealitiesdiffer.Becauseofthis,societiesdevelop
differentwaysofexisting.Liberalismclaimstoacceptdifferences,butthisismereshadowplay.
Inreality,itimposesacommonvalueframeworkonallgroups.Religionandculturebecome
ornamentsforliberalhomogeneity.Neoreactionsownframeworkagreeswiththisanalysis.It
condemns(http://www.newinternationaloutlook.com/2014/12/24/speculationsonnrx/)theidea
thatsocietycanbeconstructedfromanideologicalblueprint.Thebiggertheplanforsociety,the
moreunknownsonefaces.Infact,Neoreactiontakesthisfurtherthan4PT.TheEurasianidea
itself,withitsvisionofafederalunionofstatesanddeWesternizedcultures,ismoredetailed
thananythingNeoreactionputsforward.Thepresumptionofknowledgeisadangerousthingto
contendwith.Instead,Neoreactionintendstobeatoolboxtobeusedaccordingtodifferentsets
ofneeds.
Therearefurthercomparisons.Westernsocialsciencedistinguishesbetweentheoretical
modelsandtherealworld.Both4PTandNeoreactioncritiquethis.Dugintalksaboutpractice
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progressasracist,andtheWestasbeingagloballydeployedmodelofethnocentrism,which
isthepurestmanifestationofracistideology.Whenhesocloselyechoestherhetoricof
universitySJWs,thoseotherwisesympatheticbecomeunderstandablysuspicious.Thereare
twothingsweneedtonote.Thefirstisthatracismisntactuallytheaccuratetermtodescribe
whatDuginmeans.InFourthPoliticalTheory,hestatesthatracismalsoexistsamongcultures,
classesandeventechnology.Clearly,chauvinismorsupremacywouldbemoreaccurate
wordsthanracism.Duginssupportersexplain(http://www.4pt.su/en/content/realdugin)that
thetermillustratesthattheWestusesideologyinthesamewayitonceusedraceandreligion
tojustifyitselfasthestandardforCivilization.Butitsworthnotingthatthewordalsoallows
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antitheticaltothevaluesoftheRight.Whileanideologicalanticommunist,hehasdefended
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includesthelegacyoforthodoxyoftheByzantinemonarchyandRussiannationalism,not
tomentiontheRussianinterpretationofSoviethistoryasbrieflyexpressedinNational
Bolshevism.

TounderstandDuginsreasoning,weneedtodistinguishbetweenideologicalcommunismand
thegeopoliticalentityoftheUSSR.CommunismasanideologyisrejectedbyDuginasthe
failedsecondpoliticaltheory.Communismasasystemofgovernmentwasabsorbedintoa
broaderRussiancultureandworldview.Hence,StalinistodayrememberedbymanyRussians
(http://news.yahoo.com/carnegiestalinstilladmiredexsovietlands193309610.html)not
primarilyasaCommunist,butasastrongcentralrulerintheRussiantraditionofautocracy.
Similarly,themodernCommunistPartyoftheRussianFederationsupportscooperationwiththe
RussianOrthodoxChurch
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_the_Russian_Federation#Party_program).
ThisisduetotheLeftNationalistfaction
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_the_Russian_Federation#Internal_factions)
currentlycontrollingtheparty.ThesamepatternisreflectedintheDonetskandLugansk
PeoplesRepublicsattemptingtosecedefromUkraine.Sovietinstitutions,nationalistrhetoric,
andOrthodoxreligionarewoventogetherbysupportersofRussianrule.ForDugin,thisispart

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andOrthodoxreligionarewoventogetherbysupportersofRussianrule.ForDugin,thisispart
ofanorganicprocess.Underbolshevism,theRussianpeoplesufferedmightily.FromStalinon,
theywerealsoasuperpower.InthepostSovietage,theRussianmindmustreconcileitselfto
itsownhistoricalexperience.
Neoreactionssimilaritieswith4PT
alsocontainitsdifferences:
bothseektodeconstructtheliberal
ideologicalpremiseslaidinthe
Enlightenment.ButDuginis
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mores,andworldviews.
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Neoreactionexistsinthesanctum
ofLiberalism,theWestitself.If4PT

Appliedmetaphysics

isashiptoletRussiasailonitsown
path,Neoreactionisalifeboatwith
amapandcompassthatwehope

againsthopewillgetustoshore.Duginlooksatcivilizationswhichmustchoosewhetherto
followtheWestspathornot.Neoreactionlooksatsocietieswhichmustchoosewhetherto
followCivilizationspathornotandmostseemtohavechosenthelatter.Moreover,
NeoreactionstandsfirmlyinatraditionofempiricalanalysiswhichDugincategorizesaspart
andparceloftheWesternAtlanticistthinkingRussiarejects.Theprogrammerwhobuiltan
ideologyinhisgaragestandsinstarkcontrasttothebeardedphilosopherholdingarocket
launcherinSouthOssetia.Asbothideologiesacceptdifferences,thisisntnecessarilyapointof
conflict.Butitscrucialtounderstandingthedistinctionsinmethodology.
Both4PTandNeoreactionaredeeplyconcernedwithCivilization.Butthismayalsobethemost
fundamentalpointofdistinctionbetweenthetwoschoolsofthought.For4PT,themain
emphasisisontherighttodifference.Ofcourse,Neoreactionagreesthatdifferentpeoplesand
culturesmustfindtheirownparticularmodesofCivilization.ButDugingoesfurther,almostinto
relativism.Heproclaims:
Therewillbenouniversalstandard,neitherinthematerialnorinthespiritualaspect.
Eachcivilisationwillatlastreceivetherighttofreelyproclaimthatwhichis,accordingto
itswishes,themeasureofthings.Somewherethatwillbeman,somewherereligion,
somewhereethics,somewherematerialism.

Thismakesthedifferenceclear.Duginimaginesmanydifferentcivilizations.Civilizationis
simplyaparticularpeoplesmodeofbeingitsculture,selfconception,andsoforth.But
Neoreactiongoesfurther.Modesofbeinghaveconsequences.Theycanmakeyoumasterof
theglobeortheycansendyoutoahumiliatinghistoricalgrave.Beyondthemanyparticular
civilizations,thereisacommonphenomenonofCivilizationproper.Violenceandforceareits
foundation,becausetheyarethetoolsusedtocreatelawandorder.Whenpeoplecanlivein
peaceandsafety,theyhavetheincentivetohavefamilies,invent,andimprovethemselves.
Whenthisisreinforcedwithresponsibilitytothecommongood,peopleinvestinthefuture.The
structuresmaydiffer,buttheeffectisthesame:societyflourishes.Butwhenauthoritybreaks
down,familiesareabandoned,andthecommongoodforgotten,asocietywillcollapse.
Sometimes,enoughisprotectedthatitcanrepairandbereborn.Moreoften,itgetsoverrunand
absorbedbyhealthierrivals.While4PTfocusesontheparticular,Neoreactionismorewillingto
addressthoseuniversaltruthsthatallcivilizationsmustcontendwith.Andifithasnoquarrel
withRussiatakingitsownpath,itcanalsoseetheomensthatpointtoitsincrediblefragilityat
thepresenttime.AnyEurasianfuturebecomeslesslikelywhenthefutureofRussiaitselfis

uncertain.Fromdemographiccollapsetoeconomicwoe,nostirringpromisesofaunited
Russianspherecanmasktheproblemsbesettingit.Neoreactionmayhavesomelessonsfor
Mr.Duginyet,Atlanticistornot.
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Thrasymachus(http://deconstructingleftism.wordpress.com)
February27,201513:29:00(http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/02/27/crabbeardugin/#comment11173)

ThecurrentRussianregimeiswhatIwouldcallpseudonationalist,inthatitappropriates
nationalistelementswherehelpfultogetthesupportofthepopulation,astheNewDeal
regimedid,buthasothergoals.Duginusingthephraseracismisprettysilly,likeanyonewith
acouplebraincellscantseethroughthatone.
ThecurrentAmericanregimethrewoffallpretenseofnationalismwiththeselectionofObama,
althoughitwaseffectivelydeadwiththearrivalofClintonandRubin/Citibank.
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BarelyIntrepid
February27,201514:39:10(http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/02/27/crabbeardugin/#comment11176)

DuginrepresentsapowerfulopportunityforthegrowingNXrmovement.Hispolitical
philosophy,aswellsummerizedinthisarticle,complementsNXrandevennationalism.Its
temptingtocriticizeorevenopposemovementsthatonlypartiallyembracethetenantsofwhat
wesubscribe.Honestlythough,thenewrightneedsallies.Werefightingamajoruphilbattle
andpoliticalclout,evenifitsthousandsofmilesaway,stillmatters.
TheFourthpoliticaltheorysetsgeopoliticalfoundationsonwhichNXrcangrow.Thatsfucking
paramountconsideringthealternatives.Whatsmore,itpossesesanorganicfoundational
identityinOrthodoxChristianityandthusfar,opposesuniversalistclaims.Thatsmakesita
friendtothegrowingnewrightmovementsinthewest,andmoreimportantly,anenemyto
liberalismandIslam.
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AshMilton
February27,201515:28:41(http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/02/27/crabbeardugin/#comment11178)

Duginandthe4PTareabsolutelynotanenemytoIslam.DuginviewsIslamasakeyally
againstgloballiberalism,andasanintegraltraditionalreligionoftheEurasiansphere.
IllbeaddressingnextweekwhatRussiasinterestinpromoting4PTandsimilarideologies
wouldbe.
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DonovanGreene(http://iamlegionnaire.wordpress.com)
February27,201517:46:35(http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/02/27/crabbeardugin/#comment11183)

IthinkitisquitepropertounderstandNeoreactionasanoutgrowthofAtlanticistthough,albeit
onethatfrequentlystrainsagainsttheconfinesandinveighsagainsttheshibbolethsofits
intellectuallineage.Itiswhatitis,likeitornot,butthecircumstancesofitsbirthdictatethatit
beforcedtowalkdownadifferentpaththantheEurasianismofDugins.Thetwoarecertainly
fellowtravelerswithmuchincommon,butIsuspecttimewillshowthattheydonothavethe
samedestinationoncommonafterall.
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ReedPerry
February27,201519:45:18(http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/02/27/crabbeardugin/#comment11187)

Ithinkitsimportanttonotethatthe4PTandnRxareunfinishedideas.Eurasianism,onthe
otherhand,isspecific.Ioftenwonderifnrxwillnolongerexistinafewyears,havingevolved
intosomethingstrongerandclearer.The4PTalso,doesnotreallyexist.Itsdefinedbywhatit
isnt.WhenitemergesitsunlikelyitwillbecalledtheFourthPoliticalTheory.
InmanywaysIconsidernRxtobetheAmericanFourthPoliticalTheory,whichagain,isonly
definedbywhatitopposesatthispoint.Regardlessofthecriticalreceptionitreceivesin
rightistcircles,IconsiderDuginsworktobesomeofthemostimportantnewwritingin
existencewiththestrongestsummariesofliberaltotalitarianism.He(andhiscadre)ismymain
influence.ImalsosuspiciousthatMoldbugwasasecretDuginreader.Toomuchoverlapin

influence.ImalsosuspiciousthatMoldbugwasasecretDuginreader.Toomuchoverlapin
theirargumentstoignore.
RegardingtheMuslimthingIslamisstrangelyimmunetoliberalismandthatisworth
studying.ManyIslamiccritiquesofliberalismalsocontainsomegreatpoints.AlthoughIslamis
obviouslyadegeneratebarbarianreligionwithnoplaceincivilizationotherthanamuseum,it
isworthstudying.
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AshMilton
February28,201501:10:59(http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/02/27/crabbeardugin/#comment11199)

NRxastheAngloWesternfourthpoliticaltheoryisaninterestingpoint.Ihadntconsidered
itfromthatperspective.Onatheoreticallevel,Duginwouldprobablyagreewiththisnotion
sinceNRxdrawsfromtheempiricalWesterntradition.ItsmoreappropriatefortheWestern
mindset.OfcourseNRxitselfisatoolboxlike4PTis.IseethatsomeofourSouthern
Americanfriendsaregoingbeyondthetheoryandapplyingtheseideastotheirowncontext
seethe#SRxhashtag.
SinceIhaveleaningstowardtheTraditionalistschoolmyself,ImfriendliertowardIslam
thanalotofpeopleinthissphereofthings.Imoreorlessviewcurrentfundamentalismas
theIslamicequivalentofProtestantliteralismandpuritanism.Therearestilltraditional
Islamicgroupswhichhavekeptalotoftheclassicalheritagetheyreceivedcenturiesago.
ThesearealsotheprimaryschoolswhichDuginengageswithandpromotesasappropriate
forEurasia.DaeshandtheWahhabisaredoingtheirlevelbesttoeradicatethisheritage,all
thewaydowntohistoricalmonumentsandbooks.
Thatsaid,therelationshipbetweenIslamandtheWesthastodowithalotmorethanthe
religionproper.Austriasnewlawcaughtmyattentionasasensibleapproachtothese
matters.
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ReedPerry
February28,201501:50:19(http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/02/27/crabbeardugin/#comment11200)

NRxisdamninglyfactional.IgrosslyunderestimatedthisuntilIcontributedhere.
Consideredmyselfatraditionalistasyoudo,untilrecently(likelastweek,haha).Ijust
realizedthatIdontreallyknowwhatthatmeansanymore,andthevariationsareso
hugeinthedefinition.ThereisaveryseriousidentityproblemintheNeoreactionandits
reallytroubling,Imeanthefactionalism.WhenIfirststartedreadingwriters(likethose
hereonthissite)itwasexhilarating,Ifeltliketheremaybehope.Butthereisnothing
resemblingaconsensus,whichiswhydebatecanbecomeobnoxious.Perhapsits
prematuretosuggestsomekindofformalorganizationorleadership,butthatsreally
whatDuginhasgoingforhimself.
4PThelpsmerationalizetheideologicalvacuumthatexists.
IsympathizewithyourtakeonIslam.Iveevenwonderedifacaliphateispreferableto
whatwehave.Thethreemonotheisms,theAbrahamicreligions,seemboundforbattle
royale.SimilartothequestfortheFourthTheory,Itrywishinganotherreligiousoption
intoexistence,butthisGnonthingdoesntreallydoitforme.Thechurchisderelictas
farasIcansee.
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AshMilton
February28,201502:49:41(http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/02/27/crabbeardugin/#comment11202)

ImeanTraditionalistasintheschoolofReneGuenon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditionalist_School
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditionalist_School)

RememberthatGnonisjustaplaceholdertobeusedinthecontextofNRxanalysis,
andnotasapersonalorsocialwayofunderstandingthatreality.Inreallife,thisis
God,thegods,Heaven,Nature,etc.ImnotChristianmyself,butIseealotof
promiseintheOrthodoxChurchsexpansionintotheWest.Thetraditionalistsinthe
CatholicChurchalsohaveastrongcommunity.Smallphyles,butresilient.
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ReedPerry
February28,201504:27:09(http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/02/27/crabbeardugin/#comment11204)

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MarkCitadel(http://citadelfoundations.blogspot.com)
March4,201521:12:44(http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/02/27/crabbeardugin/#comment11398)

ThedistinctionbetweenTraditionalistandReactionaryisreallyonlyoneofintentand
context.
ThoselivingbeforethedawnoftheKaliYuga,sopreEnlightenmentmaybe

ThoselivingbeforethedawnoftheKaliYuga,sopreEnlightenmentmaybe
consideredTraditionalists,astheirTraditionwaspassiveinnature.Therewasno
othercompetingpoliticalideology.However,thosewhoseektherestorationofthe
WorldofTraditioninthepostEnlightenmenteracanbedeemedReactionary,aswe
dohavepoliticalideologiesopposingusandthusareforcedintroconflictwiththem.
AReactionariesgoalisreallytobecomeaTraditionalisttoremoveallcompeting
ideologiestoTradition,themainonenowbeingliberaldemocracy.
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OrthodoxLaissezfairist(http://orthodoxlaissezfairist.blogspot.com/)
February28,201509:30:28(http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/02/27/crabbeardugin/#comment11215)

ItsinterestingthatheconsidersCommunismpartofRussianidentity,becausesurviving
Russianroyalists,theWhitemigrs,claimedthatCommunistscouldntbeRussian.Itis
similartohowTaiwaneseconsiderthemselvestobethetrueChinese,anddontconsiderthe
PRCChinksChineseatall.DumpAlexanderDuginifyouwantrealRussianConservatism
readIvanIlyin.
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MarkCitadel(http://citadelfoundations.blogspot.com)
March4,201521:21:52(http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/02/27/crabbeardugin/#comment11399)

OnethingtobearinmindwhendiscussingDugin,whodefinitelyfallsunderthelargerumbrella
ofReaction(thoughasaratherbizarreandspecificallyRussianbrand)isthataswellasbeing
anintellectual,heisinvolvedinactualpolicyandthishasaMASSIVEimpactonwhathesays
andhowhebehavesascomparedtoyourtypicalReactosphereblogger.WhenDuginsays
somethingthatseemstobehypocritical,orincontentionwithsomethinghehaswritten,heis
oftendoingsoforpoliticalexpediency.Thus,theRussianregimewillcalltheUkrainian
governmentfarrightfascistswhentheKremlinisactivelyinvolvedinaidinggroupsthatfitthat
descriptionfarbetteraroundEurope.Duginknowsthegame,andheplaysit.Morepowerto
him.Thatshowyouwin.Youcanthinkaboutfairplayaftertheenemyisdestroyed.
Idooftenthinkhisinfluenceisoverstated.HisstarhasfadedwithintheKremlininrecent
years.IdonteventhinkheholdshisUniversityprofessorshipanymoreafterbeingdismissed.
Hedoesstillhavetheearofakeylawmakerthough.
DuginsconceptofEurasianismisalittletoosupernationaltobepulledoffinmyopinion,but
hehastherightidea.Whatsmore,hesOrthodox,soheandIhaveacommonbondsoto
speak.

Russiaisnotthegreatwhitehopeyet.Thereisalotthatneedstohappenbeforethatcan
besaid,butitisacountrywhosepoliticaleliteandsurprisinglypopularopinionareona
positivetrajectory,andtrajectoriesmakeallthedifferenceintheworld.Promotionof
ReactionaryidealsintheSlavicworldisthemostpromisingprospectifwewantatangible
baseofoperationandsupport,perhapsinthefutureevenfundingwillstemfromRussiafor
subversiveReactionaryprojectsinthewestandelsewhere.
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Akira(https://4threvolutionarywar.wordpress.com/)
March5,201522:42:40(http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/02/27/crabbeardugin/#comment11439)

Thereareveryrealconflictsbetween4PTandNRx.Whateveralliancemaybepossible,we
haveveryseriousdifferencesthatarenotnegotiable.Mypointhereisnottoarguethembut
rathertomakethemclear:
1Thetotalandintransigentoppositiontoracismisfundamentalto4PT.Werecognizethe
whiteliberalracismofthewestasthesourceofalltheworstaspectsofmodernity.Weareon
thesideofitsvictims.Allracesarewelcomedintoourranks.
(EveryonewhothinksDuginisaracistwhitenationalistisadamnedilliterate.)
24PTisproJewishandproIslamic.WeopposeracistZionismandtheWahabist
abomination,butnotJudaismorIslam.WehavesupportersinbothTelAvivandTeheran.
SomeofthefoundersandmostimportantcadreoftheEurasianistmovementareRabbisand
Muftis.Allotherreligionsareequallywelcomed.
34PTrecognizesraceasasocialconstruction.Weareheavilyinfluencedbythestructural
andculturalanthropologyofthenewleftaswellasthesociologicalanalysisofMarxism.
44PTrecognizesmodernnationalismasasocialconstruction.Wepreferahealthy
traditionalismbuiltaroundthesacredandtheethnostothediseasedmodernistconceptionof
thenation.
54PTregardsthemarketbasedsocietyasacompleteabomination.Weareevenmoreanti
capitalistthanMarxistsandevenmoreantiglobalistthanAnarchists.Wealsorejectsocialism
andeveryotherideologythatorderssocietyaroundeconomicsassuch.

64PTisinspiredbythemadmenandhereticsofboththerightandtheleft.WemixEvola,
Nietzsche,Heidegger,Junger,andSchmitt,withDebord,Gramsci,Foucault,Baudrillard,
Deleuze,Derrida,andSorel(justtobeginwith).WhenDugintalksofasacredfrontbeyond
rightandleft*heactuallymeansit*.ThisisnotTroySouthgatebullshit.WehaveaCommunist
internationalandaMakhnovistbrigadeofUkrainianAnarchistsfightingnexttoourglorious
EurasianistcadretoliberateUkrainefromthenazineoliberalJunta.
74PTisarevolutionarytheoryforarevolutionarymovement.Eurasianismistherevolutionary
movement.Theglobalrevolutionaryallianceisthecoalitionofthismovement.The
revolutionaryconflictisaglobalgeopoliticalwarbetweentheAmericanneoliberalempireand
therestoftheworld.(Thatmeansyou,American.)Weareonthesideofeveryoneelse.
84PTishostiletotheentirecivilizationofwesternliberalism,notmerelyitsworstaspectsor
nastiestparts.Webelieveyourcivilizationisimplodingandwehavealwaysintendedtohelpit
along.NowthatyourderangedelitesaremakingwarwithRussia,theglovesarereallygoing
tocomeoff.(YouaregoingtopayforVictoriaNulandandhercookies.)
9PushhascometoshovewiththefascistandracistfactionsoftheEuropeannewrightin
Ukraine.Theeraoffellowtravelingwiththemisover.Wewillneverforgetthehideouscrimes
carriedoutbythesedegeneratetraitors,orthattheysocravenlyalliedthemselveswithaUS
statedepartmentcoupintendedtofeedthepeopleofUkrainetothevulturesofneoliberalism.
Neonazishavealwaysbeenilliteratesnitches,andnowtheyhaveshowntheirtruecolorsas
alliesofBarackObamaandliberalism.
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HadleyBennett
March5,201522:54:37(http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/02/27/crabbeardugin/#comment11441)

Question:AreyouethnicallyRussian,basedinRussia,orboth?
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AshMilton
March6,201502:33:30(http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/02/27/crabbeardugin/#comment11446)

Imratherinterestedinseeinghowyouplanonkeepingthenationalistsandcommunists
fromturningtheirarmsoneachotherthemomenttheresalullinthegreatcrusadeagainst
theWest.Theenemyofyourenemyisnotyourphilosophicalbrotherinarms,andLenins
enemieslearnedthatveryquickly.
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MarkCitadel(http://citadelfoundations.blogspot.com)
March6,201522:39:43(http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/02/27/crabbeardugin/#comment11482)

Idonotthinksuchdifferencesareirreconcilable.Youdesirethedownfallofthecurrent
worldorderasmuchaswedo.InsomuchassuchapostAtlanticistworldwillhavevast
tractsoflandthatrequirestatesandsocieties,thisiswheretheReactionarywouldseekto
laydownroots.NoReactionarywishesanywarwithanothersocietyofTraditional
character,suchastheonethatyoudescribetobebuiltinRussia.Ourenemiesarethe
same.Ourgoals,whileperhapsideologicallynonidenticalandgeographicallydisparate,
mayserveeachotherspurposes.
AnyharmyoucancausethepoliticalorderoftheWestismuchobligedonourpart,andwe
certainlyhavenolovefortheUkrainianpowergrabbyNATO.IthinkmostReactionaries
wouldsay,fullsteamaheadtoKievifyouwish.
Iwillhowevercritique4PTasveeringdangerouslyclosetotheverymistakesmadeby
MussolinisFascists,thatissubmergingoneselfinanantiModernist,Reactionarymindset,
butratherthangoingallthewayin,creatingakindofmakeshiftideologypickingoutthebits
youlikefromtheWorldofTradition.IftheVedicTraditionprovescorrect,theGoldenAge
willnotbesomehalfpure,Frankensteinsmonsterofpastideals,butinfactthefullrebirth
ofourancestorsorderedworld.Someoftheindepthconstructivecriticismsleveledat4PT
byNeoreactionarevalidandDuginwoulddowelltostudythem.
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GCM
March16,201523:02:52(http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/02/27/crabbeardugin/#comment11800)

AccordingtoDugin,thewholeInternetshouldbebanned,IthinkthatInternetassuch,asa
phenomenonisworthprohibitingbecauseitgivesnobodyanythinggood.
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TedColt(http://tteclod.wordpress.com/)
July14,201512:04:38(http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/02/27/crabbeardugin/#comment15618)

Anauthoritariancanbeidentifiedbyadvocatingforlimitsuponwhatcanbepublished.
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