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Message Overview:
stall fail
(Caution)
NO GO /or MMEL RELIEF

NO GO

POSSIBLE LRU MMEL RELIEF

NO GO

Pilot Action (QRH, Not Normal Procedure) ABNORM 8-2

System Description:

27-35-00

Schematic Diagram:

27-35-00

Wiring Diagram:

27-35-00 Pre SB 605-27-001

27-35-01 Post SB 605-27-001

MMEL Dispatch:
For reference from the QRH GO/NO GO Guide.
Please note: A "GO" condition still requires MMEL consultation.

Fault Logic:
The Stall Protection Computer detects single, non-single or internal failures and provides a discrete
(ground) to the DCUs, to post the STALL FAIL amber CAS message.

Possible Causes:

Loss of 28vdc to SPC (A1CG)

PUSHER switches are OFF
Loss of 28VDC to the AOA Signal Converter (A3CG LH) (A2CG RH) (Post SB 605-27-001)
Pilots Stick Shaker (B1CG)
Copilots Stick Shaker (B2CG)
AOA Vane Transducer (in flight only)
AOA Vane split 3.5 degrees or more
Pilots Lateral Accelerometer (MT3CG)
Copilots Lateral Accelerometer (MT4CG)
Lateral Accelerometer difference of 0.03 G Slip/Skid
Depressed AP/SP DISC switch on control column
Stall Protection Computer SPC (A1CG)
Flap Position Transmitters (Z2CG) and (Z1CG)

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Accelerometer Switch (MT5CG)

Associated Wiring

Troubleshooting Tips:
Advisory Wire/Service Bulletin: AW600-27-2224 and SB605-27-001
Forum Articles/Infoservice/Newsletter: None
NOTE: When the aircraft is weight-on-wheels (WOW), the stall protection computer will not operate
but the SPS self-test will.
The latest Stall Protection Computers (SPCs) were recently upgraded to detect dormant internal
failures, by introducing new monitor circuits. Those added monitoring capabilities are:

1. Lateral Acceleration Compensation Monitor:

1. This monitor consists of a side-to-side comparator to detect any differences between the
accelerometers. The monitor is active on the ground and in the air, where in the previous
SPC models this was only monitored in air. When a lateral acceleration compensation
difference of 0.03g (450 mVdc) is detected,Stall Fail is annunciated.
2. Flap Compensation Monitor:
1. This monitor consists of a side-to-side comparator to detect any differences between the
left and right flap switches located in the left and right inboard flap arm assembly. The
monitor is active on the ground and in the air and any flap switches discrepancy shall
annunciate Stall Fail.
3. In addition to the monitors the SPS Self-Test was also enhanced:
1. The self-test initiate a simulated angle of attack sweep such that the test indicator needle
moves counter-clockwise through the blue sector (ignition), yellow sector (shaker) and
pass the red sector (pusher) before returning to the red sector at the end of a successful
self-test in approximately 91 seconds. In the event of a circuit failure detected within the
SPC, when performing the single and/or dual self-test, the needle will not stop in the red
sector. It will go a bit before (shown in the figure below) or after the red sector.

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During a single channel test (left or right) is activated, the SPC inhibit the associated channel altitude
input and the Alt Comp Fail and Stall Fail are annunciated. During a dual channel test the only
the Stall Fail is annunciated.

Quick Links:
Leveling the Aircraft on jacks

AMM 08-20-01-589801

Aligment Check of the AngleofAttack Vane Transducer

AMM 27-35-04-820801

Functional Test of the AngleofAttack (AOA) Transducer Linearity

AMM 27-35-04-720801

Lateral Accelerometer Ajustment (Aircraft is Level)

AMM 27-35-25-820801

Functional Test of the Flap and Sideslip Compensation Monitor of the Stall Protection
System

AMM 27-35-01-720803

Removal of the Stall Protection Computer

AMM 27-35-01-000801

Installation of the Stall Protection Computer

AMM 27-35-01-400801

Removal of the Stick Shaker

AMM 27-35-07-000801

Installation of the Stick Shaker

AMM 27-35-07-400801

Removal of the AngleofAttack Transducer

AMM 27-35-04-000801

Installation of the AngleofAttack Transducer

AMM 27-35-04-400801

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Removal of the Lateral Accelerometer

Installation of the Lateral Accelerometer

Removal of the Flap Position Transmitter

Installation of the Flap Position Transmitter

AMM 27-35-25-000801
AMM 27-35-25-400801
AMM 27-55-01-000801
AMM 27-55-01-400801

Removal of the Acceleration Switch

AMM 27-35-19-000801

Installation of the Acceleration Switch

AMM 27-35-19-400801

Wiring Repair

SPM 20-12-10-02

Troubleshooting Recommendations:
If STALL FAIL is shown on the Ground and in Air proceed as follow base on the possible
cause:

1. Loss of power to the SPS computer. (AC5701-5827) Pre SB605-27-001.

1. Check both 28 Vdc inputs to the SPC.
1. Channel 1 P1CG-E 28Vdc Batt bus.
2. Channel 2 P2CG-E 28Vdc Ess Bus
2. Loss of power to the SPS computer. (AC5701-5827) Post SB605-27-001 and (AC5728-5990).
1. Check both 28 Vdc inputs to the SPC.
1. Channel 1 P1CG-E 28Vdc from LH Converter A3CG P13CG-15.
2. Channel 2 P2CG-E 28Vdc from RH Converter A2CG P12CG-15.
2. Check both 28 Vdc inputs to the Converters.
1. Channel 1 Converter A3CG P13CG-17 28Vdc Batt bus.
2. Channel 2 Converter A2CG P12CG-17 28Vdc Ess Bus.

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3. Loss of ODD parity at Discrete Calibration Input Pins of the Converter. (AC5701-5827) Post
SB605-27-001 and (AC5728-5990).
1. Channel 1 LH Converter P13CG- 3/4/5/20/21/32 To GND N595.
2. Channel 2 RH Converter P12CG- 3/4/5/20/21/32 To GND N651.
NOTE: Must have ODD number of grounds connected!
4. Failure of the stick shaker or stick pusher circuits in the SPS computer. (ALL).
1. Check Both Pusher Switches and make sure that both switches are in the ON position.
2. Verify that both shaker connectors P5CG & P6CG are hooked up properly.
3. Sticky Accelerometer Switch MT5CG.
1. With the Aircraft leveled, check presence of a Ground at JB11-PCB10 TP-A29
(WM 27-35-00 sheet 13/17).
2. Fail Relay K1CG in JB11-PCB10.
5. Failure of one or both of the angle-of-attack transducers, or a difference, exceeding 3.5 degrees,
in the compensated AOA signals. (AC5701-5827) Pre SB605-27-001.
1. 36 ohms per deg X 3.5 deg = 126 Ohms resistance difference between the L/H and the
R/H at the same position (i.e. 0 degree). Measure resistance at P1CG (P2CG)-c(+) and b
(-), if higher than 126 Ohms:
1. Perform AOA alignment check per AMM Task 27-35-04-820-801.
2. Perform AOA Transducer Linearity check per AMM Task 27-35-04-720-801.
2. (AC5701-5827) Post SB605-27-001 and (AC5728-5990)
Since on those Aircraft the Vanes are digital, with Breakout Box GSE Tool PN:
CCSC2739-01 installed, measure voltage at connector P1CG (P2CG):
PIN

VOLTAGE

15V

Variable with angle

5V

VANE ANGLE (Aircraft) Voltage at pin b

-15

15V

-10

14V

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VANE ANGLE (Aircraft) Voltage at pin b

-5

13V

12V

11V

10

10V

15

9V

20

8V

25

7V

30

6V

35

5V

6. A difference, exceeding 0.03 G slide slip, in the signals from the lateral accelerometers. With
Breakout Box GSE Tool PN: CCSC2739-01 installed, do as follows:
1. Voltage input from the L/H (P1CG M & N) and R/H (P2CG M & N) accelerometer to
the SPC is 0+/- 10mv, if not adjust accelerometer per task 27-35-25-820-801 (when A/C
level) or 27-35-25-820-802 (when a/c not level).
2. Hook up a multimeter between both accelerometers P1CG-M & P2CG-M and measure
the differential voltage, the STALL FAIL will be displayed if voltage is higher then +/450mV corresponding to a 0.03g difference between accelerometers.
3. With the multimeter verify that the voltages of L/H and R/H accelerometer is coming
back to approximately 0 Vdc =/- 10mV after moving the a/c (shake).
4. Ensure that the voltages do not start to drift after sometime when the power is left ON for
approximately +/- 2hours.
7. Flap Switches on L/H and R/H should be identical for each Flap Setting, otherwise a Stall Fail
will be triggered by SPC, Troubleshoot according to this logic (Breakout Box GSE Tool PN:
CCSC2739-01 can be use):

Flap Setting

20

Flap SW No P1CG/P2CG
at SPC

Pin

Flap Switch Angle State at SPC

3
2
1

d
T
X

5
25
35

Ground
Ground
Ground

3
2

d
T

5
25

Open
Ground

35

Ground

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Flap Setting
30

40

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Flap SW No P1CG/P2CG
at SPC

Pin

Flap Switch Angle State at SPC

3
2

d
T

5
25

Open
Open

35

Ground

Open

2
1

T
X

25
35

Open
Open

8. As an alternative and/or additional procedure of previous Step 6) and 7) you can simulate
Lateral Acceleration and Flap Setting at the SPC with GSE tool 27-35-05 and AMM Task
Procedure 27-35-01-720-803 Functional Test of the Flap and Side slip Compensation Monitor
of the Stall Protection System. Please refer accordingly.
9. Verification of the Weight-On-Wheel signal from the PSEU (Breakout Box GSE Tool PN:
CCSC2739-01 can be use), Follow this logic:
PSEU Output
WOW 1 STALL

P1CG Pin P2CG Pin A/C State State at SPC

W

N/A

WonW

Ground

N/A

WoffW

Open

N/A

WonW

Ground

N/A

WoffW

Open

WOW OUTPUT FAIL N/A

OK

Open

WOW OUTPUT FAIL N/A

Failed

Ground

Warning
WOW 1 STALL
Warning
WOW 2 STALL
Warning
WOW 2 STALL
Warning

10. Experience in the field has taught us that caution should be taken not to over torque the cage
during the installation of the SPS Test Indicator (M1CG & M2CG) as it may cause a binding in
SPS indicator needle.

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