ATF Interview With Edward Purry

Case 2:14-cr-00332-JAD-VCF Document 121-4 Filed 11/18/15 Page 1 of 198
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768020-13-0142
JAMISON-Purry II, Edward
x1-98488A7E-5C8E-422D-B898D4C2D6168461_000001
S/A Roger MARTIN
RAC Ernesto DIAZ
U/M 1-3 [Unidentified Male]
H. Snyder
L. Valle
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= Brackets are used to separate the transcribers/translators remarks
from the original words spoken.
[U/I] = Unidentified, Unintelligible diction.
[PH] = Phonetic transcription.
[sic] =The preceding is written intentionally or is copied verbatim from its original,
even if it appears to be a mistake.
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Transcribed by: H. Snyder
Reviewed by: L. Valle
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TRANSCRIPTION
[Unintelligible voices in the background]
U/M1:
Hadnt opened it yet.
U/M2:
It seems like a [U/I].
U/M1:
Hey, what do you do with your [U/I]? Do you save them or just [U/I]?
U/M2:
[U/I]
U/M1:
Yeah.
U/M2:
All right. Were gonna have to [U/I]I dont want to throw all that shit
away. Because
U/M1:
It, its right here, man. [U/I]
U/M2:
I dont think we have all those [U/I], bro. [Voices overlap]
U/M1:
[U/I] I dont [U/I].
U/M2:
Let me see.
U/M1:
Yeah, but still [U/I] So Im not gonna[Voices overlap]
U/M2:
[U/I]
U/M1:
Right.
U/M2:
So if, if you go [U/I] then Ill go through
U/M1:
[U/I], I mean, I, I dont [U/I]
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U/M2:
Well be there tomorrow [U/I].
U/M1:
Yeah, I mean, I, I dont want [U/I]
U/M2:
[U/I]
U/M1:
Because Im, Im still working on [U/I] all this [U/I] right here.
[U/I] right here.
U/M2:
[U/I] [Pause, unintelligible conversation in the background, door

slams, noise]
U/M3:
Hey, can you do me a favor? Can you sit on that chair for me? Theyll
be here in a minute, all right, man? Theyll take those cuffs too, Id
imagine. [Pause] [Noise] [Unintelligible voices in the background]
MARTIN:
All right, man; we got[Noise] All right, first thing we gotta do, we
gotta get some stuff out of the way before we can even talk. SoThis is
your, uh, rights, rights and waiver. You have the right to remain silent.
Anything you caanything you say can be used against you in court.
You got the right to talk to an attorney before youwe ask you any
questions and to have a lawyer with you during questioning. If you
cannot afford a lawyer one would be appointed for you if you wish,
before any questioning begins. If you decide to answer any questions
now without a lawyer present, you got the right to stop answering at any
time. You understand those?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes, sir.
MARTIN:
Okay, I need you to initial by each one of those acknowledging that you
understand. Okay. And thenLets see here. I need your [U/I] twelve.
[Noise, rustling] Okay.
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DIAZ:
Is itdo you by Ed or [U/I]?
JAMINSON-Purry:
It doesnt matter.
DIAZ:
Okay. UmMy name is Ernesto Diaz. Im and ATF supervisor here in

Stockton [PH]. This is Agent Martin. Hes an ATF supervisor; an ATF
agent out of, uh, Las Vegas. If I take the cuffs out here are you gonna be
fine? No problems? I just want you to be relaxed. [Noise] Im sure you
got a bunch of questions, and wondering whats going on. But if you just
give us a few minutes, well explain everything to you.
MARTIN:
Mhm.
DIAZ:
And then we want your, your cooperation on some stuff, okay? [Sound
of writing]
MARTIN:
All right, Edward where doWhere are you living at right now? Where
do you live here?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I dont I[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Where do you live? Whats your, whats your address?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Where do I physically sleep? Uh, I staywhen I go to my mom house,

if Im in Oakland I go stay at Twenty-four, six, six, Tail [PH] avenue.
MARTIN:
If youre in Oakland?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah, but most of the time Im either in Las Vegas or Reno [U/I]
Mississippi; it just depends.
MARTIN:
Okay, and thats your moms?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes, sir.
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MARTIN:
Uh Whats your moms name?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Sherril. [PH]
MARTIN:
Sherril? Can you spell that for me?
JAMINSON-Purry:
S, H, E, R, R, I, L.
MARTIN:
So two Rs?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah.
MARTIN:
Okay. Last name?
JAMINSON-Purry:
G, R, A, H, A, M. Graham.
MARTIN:
H, A Does mom have a number you, you know off the top of your
head?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I, I know her number. I dont want you to call her.
MARTIN:
Oh, were not gonna call her. [Telephone rings] Oh, let me shut off the
phone. Okay, like when youreWhere do you physically sleep at?
What would you call home? Whats home? [Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
I[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Whats home? Whats home for you? Where are you staying at?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Oakland would be home; but when Im in Las Vegas I stayId be

probably at my cousins. Or must of the time Im at the room.
MARTIN:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I get comps.
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MARTIN:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
So when Im out there, usually, mostly when Im out there Im doing

some gambling.
MARTIN:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
When Im working.
MARTIN:
So when you stay at your cousin, what, what address is that?
JAMINSON-Purry:
In Las Vegas?
MARTIN:
Mhm.
JAMINSON-Purry:
He, he just moved. I dont know his new address. I aint been out to
Vegas probably like[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
[U/I].
JAMINSON-Purry:
Three weeks.
MARTIN:
Okay, whats your cousins name?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Huh? I gotta give all that information?
MARTIN:
Well, we gotta, we gottaWe gotta, uh, do someyou know?

Checking, when you talk to us, we gotta check some things out to make
sure youre telling us the, theyou know, the real deal, you know?
JAMINSON-Purry:
When Im in Las Vegas most of the time Im gonna be at Sunset Station.
MARTIN:
Okay, but whats your cousins name?
JAMINSON-Purry:
My cousins name is Kentrell [PH].
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MARTIN:
Kentrell?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah.
MARTIN:
K, E, N?
JAMINSON-Purry:
T, R, E, L, L.
MARTIN:
N, T, R, E, L, L. Whats his last name?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Davis. D, A, V, I, S.
MARTIN:
Okay. And what, what part of town does he live in?
JAMINSON-Purry:
He wasHe used to stay back there. He was there vaguely. He was

messing with his girl. She stayed back on Desert Inn.
MARTIN:
Mhm. Whats the address?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I cant tell; I dont know the address. I
MARTIN:
All right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I dont like, literally pay attention to the address. I know how to get
there, but he was only there recently messing with that girl for a little bit.
MARTIN:
Whats the girls name?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I have no idea what her name is. I never seen her.
MARTIN:
ButSo Kentrell lives in Vegas or does he live in the Bay area?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Kentrell stays out here.
MARTIN:
Okay. Whats, uh[Voices overlap]
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JAMINSON-Purry:
When Im in Las Vegas, Im literally up there
MARTIN:
So hes is like dating this girl?
JAMINSON-Purry:
He, he dont Shes just somebody he was messing with. When Im in

Las Vegas Im usually at Sunset Station.
MARTIN:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Id be there gambling. [U/I], just really chilling.
MARTIN:
Whats SunSo Sunset[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Sunset Station.
MARTIN:
Okay. Uh, anywhere else you stay out there?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No. Well, Im mostly at Sunset Station.
MARTIN:
So you get comped [sic] or what?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah.
MARTIN:
So you must be a big gambler then. What you play, man?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Craps.
MARTIN:
Craps? All right. Uh, you win? You lose? [Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Sometimes.
MARTIN:
How much money you win at craps?
JAMINSON-Purry:
The most Ive won?
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MARTIN:
Yeah.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I think like twelve thousand; thirteen thousand.
MARTIN:
So you know how to play then. [Laughs]
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, Ijust like everything else. You justeither youre gonna do it or

youre not.
MARTIN:
[Chuckles] Yeah.
JAMINSON-Purry:
So is not like a science to it; is just You dont make the money if you
dont bet it.
MARTIN:
Yeah.
JAMINSON-Purry:
So its eitherits like, Fuck, Im gonna lose it. Then, then just gotta
figure it out
MARTIN:
Whats the most you lost at the table? Im just curious, cause I
[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Probably likeTen.
MARTIN:
Ten?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah.
MARTIN:
Thats gotta suck when you leave; leaving the casino losing ten K, right?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I meanYeah. Most
MARTIN:
[Laughs]
JAMINSON-Purry:
You really just be like, whatever, fuck.
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MARTIN:
So where, where do you gamble at days?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Sunset Station.
MARTIN:
Sunset? Anywhere else?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Red Rock.
MARTIN:
Red Rock? All right. You got like players cards? Or are you like a, like
in their programs and all that stuff?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes, sir.
MARTIN:
Thats the way to do it. Uh
JAMINSON-Purry:
I know, fuck. I know what this is for.
MARTIN:
You do? [Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Now I know. Yeah.
MARTIN:
What do you think?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Uh
MARTIN:
What do you think this is all about?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I looked at your badge
MARTIN:
Mhm. So what, what do you think [U/I]?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I already talked to Agent Sanchez.
MARTIN:
Okay. What did[Voices overlap]
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JAMINSON-Purry:
[U/I].
MARTIN:
What did you tell Agent Sanchez?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Nothing, I told Agent Sanchez, I asked him do you want me to come to

his office.
MARTIN:
Yeah.
JAMINSON-Purry:
And then he went out of town or something came up and I said,

Whenever you need me to come to the office, is not a problem.
MARTIN:
Mhm.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Just give me a call.
MARTIN:
What do you think this is about? What do you think he was calling you
about?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I already know what he was calling about cause they showed, they
showed up to my mom house.
MARTIN:
I never even met the guy, so [Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Oh
MARTIN:
I, I dont even know
JAMINSON-Purry:
When they showed up to my moms house it was something like a

movie, literally.
MARTIN:
Yeah?
JAMINSON-Purry:
And that made her blood pressure go to nine thousand.
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MARTIN:
Yeah.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Cause its me, its me like
MARTIN:
Yeah.
JAMINSON-Purry:
So I made her go to nine thousand and then how they showed up and
that neighborhood is like small nit so its like[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Yeah. Everybody know whats going on.
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, not that. Its if its a car [U/I] people [Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Oh, yeah, people know the [U/I]
JAMINSON-Purry:
So, literally its like [Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
They know they dont belong there, right?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah. And thats
MARTIN:
I got you.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Thats really what it was. And then he called me and I told him, I said
Man, I know what this is about. I definitely know what this is about now
that Im here, so
MARTIN:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
All right.
MARTIN:
Well, were gonna deal that today. Were gonna talk about some of the
stuff he was probably gonna talk to you about.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Uh-huh.
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MARTIN:
And some new stuff too. Okay?
JAMINSON-Purry:
All right.
MARTIN:
Uh, where are you working at right now Ed [PH]?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Im self-employed.
MARTIN:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I do, I do[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
What do you do? What do you do?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Security protection.
MARTIN:
And, and Where do you do that at mostly?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Vegas. Sometimes I go to Arizona.
MARTIN:
Oh, and, and who do youLike, youre probably contracted out or

something, right?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah, I got, I got all my permits and stuff. So is like if you call me and
you [U/I][Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Yeah, but whoyou would have toLike you go through somebody,

right?
JAMINSON-Purry:
You say what?
MARTIN:
Somebody like a company would like say, Hey I got a job for you,
man.
JAMINSON-Purry:
No.
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MARTIN:
No? How does that work?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Uh, built enough reputation, cause I worked security. Ever since I was
old enough to work it.
MARTIN:
Right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
So like, basically like a lot of co-workers I had at old companies they

started their own PPOs and stuff now. But I dont deal with themis
really like if you or anybody, if not an artist, is not discrimination; if you
needed somebody, you know[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Yeah, they call you.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I worked hard for everything I had, soIs like if you need somebody
you reach out through channels[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
And you probably, if you need extra guys you would call some of your
friends or theyvice versa, theyll reach out to you [U/I]. [Voices
overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, me, I would call everybody I know that had a permit, so
MARTIN:
Right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
So when we get to the different ground, itsI dont believe in hiccups.

Like thats[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
So thats armed, youre armed; like if youre[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah.
MARTIN:
Legit armed security.
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes, sir.
MARTIN:
What do youwhat do you carry when you, when you do that? What do
you typically carry?
JAMINSON-Purry:
It just depends, like what is it for; Like if its a little Chinese guy, who
just wants go gamble literally.
MARTIN:
[Chuckles]
JAMINSON-Purry:
He, he wants me to[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
You got something like small something like that. Like[Voices

overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, I mean, everyit just depends like when I was out there for
Mayweather
MARTIN:
Yeah.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Every time we went somewhere I had a different gun.
MARTIN:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Peter point blank, like
MARTIN:
What do you [U/I] your favorite, man?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Uh
MARTIN:
What do you typically carry? Cause I know what I carry every day.
JAMINSON-Purry:
My Smith and Wesson.
MARTIN:
Smith? What is it? Like forty cal?
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Forty.
MARTIN:
Okay. All right. So how many, how many, uhHow many, uh, pistols
do you like typically use?
JAMINSON-Purry:
[U/I].
MARTIN:
Like when youre, uh[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
[U/I].
MARTIN:
Like if you go out, say you go to Arizona or Vegas for a deal, you bring
like two or three pistols or what? You say, uh, Im gonna take, uh,
something for conceal, something forI mean
JAMINSON-Purry:
I bring
MARTIN:
Like I got[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
I bring my
MARTIN:
I got three[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
I bring my forty and then, uh, find a smaller weapon. Like literally my
forty is a favorite. [U/I] case too big to be towed around.
MARTIN:
Right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Especially for concealed, like I dontWhen I go out of state I dont

carry exposed.
MARTIN:
Right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
That defeats the purpose of everything I do[Voices overlap]
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MARTIN:
I know.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Through training, everything, like why?
MARTIN:
Right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
You want to blend in with them and I dont have to
MARTIN:
Right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
So I usually carry my forty. But if not I carry a Glock or I just grab a gun
from one of my friends.
MARTIN:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Just depends on what it is. Like Mayweather was a different gun every
time we went out.
MARTIN:
So who, whoWho do youlike give me some big names. You said

you did something for Mayweather. Was that for the last fight or what?
JAMINSON-Purry:
You know, we worked for somebody, uh, some party, I wouldnt call
them his groupies, you know? Entourage is just crazy.
MARTIN:
For his entourage basically?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Entourage is crazy. Is like, if you say, I dont care who you say you
were; if you say you were Obama, if youre paying
MARTIN:
Yeah.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Were not talking until the money is in hand. In [U/I] period. [Voices
overlap]
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MARTIN:
Right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Like
MARTIN:
Right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Youre paying. Im not doing nothing until the money is up front.

So[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
So they pay you, they pay you upfront?
JAMINSON-Purry:
He, like he is none of that and the back is likeYou, you know what
youre gonna get. Thats that. So literally if anybody calls and
casomebody wants to reach out to me and then the people I used to
work with, theyre really stationary. Like with those, Im done with
those. [Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Thats boring.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Im done, Im done with that post stuff. Like Im notI did that
along[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Youd ratherYou know, just give us somebody to roll with them

wherever they go to the airport[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, I rather, Id rather justif you need it, Im there for it, you know?
MARTIN:
Right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Thats a different price range.
MARTIN:
[U/I] postthat stuff.
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah. I did, no, I did at that and I ran into a lot of problems. Handled the
situation wisely butSo, like appreciation factor like, Dude, I just did
that shit for what?
MARTIN:
Right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Like literally Im gonna get shot at and didnt know all the[Voices
overlap]
MARTIN:
Right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I didnt kill him because my gun was in the car, cause theylook we
need you to take it off cause the clients tripping. Even though I got a
license for it. Im done with it; I had too many close calls.
MARTIN:
Yeah.
JAMINSON-Purry:
And working at clubs and stuff
MARTIN:
You were working like in clubs and stuff like that?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, thats easy. Like Im talking like literally post like banks, Smart and
finals, credit unions; like stuff like that.
MARTIN:
Oh yeah, thats a
JAMINSON-Purry:
I used to work them.
MARTIN:
People try to rob those but[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah, you know, it was like, Id be like
MARTIN:
Is not worth the money.
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Were, wereNo, were here and they got a hundred thousand in that
safe.
MARTIN:
Yeah.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Before the day start and when they come here, you want me toIf I was
to do something, like to rob a place, first thing Im gonna do is shoot the
security guard.
MARTIN:
Right, yeah.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Your job is observe and report. You dont wanna kill nobody but is
likeThats my job
MARTIN:
How much did you make doing that? While you were standing post.
How much did you make? An hourly wage? Or were you making
JAMINSON-Purry:
Uhsee its[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Is probably different for each job, but what[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Is, is so many, so many companies. Wasnt, wasnt enough. Like it was

enough when I only had my mouth to feed.
MARTIN:
Right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
So outside of that is not enough, cause like I know the whole game; as I
started progressing in that field
MARTIN:
Right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I started knowing the book stuff. Like literally studying for the PPO test.
MARTIN:
Mhm.
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JAMINSON-Purry:
And starting on logistics. Forget, I always carried the team with me.
People I supervised.
MARTIN:
Mhm.
JAMINSON-Purry:
And then people who were listening to me instead of the person

supervising us, cause it was dumb, like how can you supervise me and
Im more qualified than you.
MARTIN:
Right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Education and in the field while I was like
MARTIN:
Right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
It doesnt make sense. But was not what you know, is who you know.
MARTIN:
Right, right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
And aint get enough. But I did finally see all the money, excluding
paying state and insurance.
MARTIN:
Uh-huh.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I wouldve madeI never, I wouldveI would still be staying in post

somewhere.
MARTIN:
Yeah.
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Period. But if they, if were getting thirty-eight dollars and hour,

thirty-five for a post and then he trying totelling me Im not [U/I] your
average person and you can sell me that dream like, uh, this is fifteen.
Were notI know they was paying people ten doing the same thing I
do when I leave. But it was a point that when I used to go back and forth
for people, like thats not how you do people.
MARTIN:
Mhm.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Like, we got families to feed too. Were trying to make an honest living.
MARTIN:
Yeah. They pay you minimum wage.
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, they, theyre paying like, theyre still premium; youre still getting
thirty-eight, didnt wanna give you forty, cause you got to get benefits.
You have to get benefits if youre full time so they make you part time
and make you work full time hours.
MARTIN:
Yeah.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Then you lose all your money in taxes.
MARTIN:
Right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
And then stuff like that happens and
MARTIN:
What, what, what was that, what was that, uh, uh, place you worked for
before?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I used to work for VMA Security.
MARTIN:
VMA? Whats that all about? Who owns that?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Uh
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MARTIN:
Who runs that?
JAMINSON-Purry:
A gentleman named Mister Mackey.
MARTIN:
Whats his name? First name?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Vince.
MARTIN:
Vince Mackey. Okay. Im gonna be asking you some questions today.

Some of them I already know the answers to.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah.
MARTIN:
And is just kind of to see, you know, how honest you are with us.
[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah.
MARTIN:
Okay? I, I justJust so you know this is about a tenth of what I got. I

got a whole lot of shit of other stuff back in Vegas and I know theres
some stuff in Oakland and theres some stuff in San Francisco where our
offices. Weve done a little homework on you.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Uh-huh.
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MARTIN:
So, so Im gonna be asking you a lot of questions today and I want you
to educate me. Theres a few things I dont know, I want you to
enlighten me on. But, uh, the rest of the stuff, you know, we kind of
know the answers already to this. So you know, isThe things I was
gonna tell you today is us talking to you[Clears throat] You got a very
small window, uh, with the information that you have that is useful to
us. And I would say that would probably be this afternoon. Is your, your
window to help yourself. After that if, if you dontsay you, uhyou
before the judge and you get your attorney and youre like, Man, this
aint looking good. I want, I wanna help myself out. And then the day,
that day, that day is over after today, really. Because, uh, because huge
concerns, uh, with some of the stuff youve done. And if were not able
to resolve some of that stuff today then, uh, then were beyond, beyond
you helping yourself. Does that make sense to you, man?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah.
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MARTIN:
You know, soUm, so today is real important that youre like as honest
as you can freaking be. I mean, uh, were gonna ask you some questions
for you about some of the purchases you made. I need to know where
that shit is at and Im not bullshitting. I need to know who you sold it to,
when you sold it and I got some of the documents if you dont, if you
dont remember what it was or what you bought. I need to who has it,
cause we need to go fucking get it. Because just so you know right now I
know you bought a lot of guns, all right? A lot. And guess what? When
you sell something to somebody, its gonna pop up. Its gonna pop up
and its shooting here. Its gonna pop up in this. Its gonna pop up in
that. And when youre shipping stuff back from Vegas its gonna pop up
here, its gonna pop up there, okay? So all those guns you bought,
theyre on you. The serial number on that gun, it goes back to you. So
every time theres a shooting, theres a crime, that gun is gonna come
back to you. So thats not good, right? Youre a security guy, you get
that, right? So today is your day to fucking help yourself and youre
Right now, charged with one felony count, right? And thats just so I can
do a criminal complaint to it, one felony count. Your one felony count
can turn into fifteen freaking felony counts. And you know, mailing
those firearms through the mail and all that shit, that, that, thats more.
Each time you filled out that form, that Forty-four, Seventy-three, you
know, when youre buying your gun and you put down that you live in a
certain address in Vegas and you aint living there, thats a P.O. Box.
Thats a felony count. So you see, uh, you see, you see where Im going
with this, right? It could be really, really, really bad. Or I can go back
and talk to my prosecutor and say, Hey, look, we recovered this many
guns. He was totally honest. He was totally up front. Lets just leave it at
this and well deal with this one charge instead of like fifteen. Does that
make sense?
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes, sir.
MARTIN:
Okay, so thats what we want to get accomplished today, is for you to,
you to use memory. Im gonna pull out some records and Hey, you
know, you bought these many guns this date. Where, where did does
guns go? Who bought, who gave me the money for those guns? Where
did I get the money for those guns? Those are the things we wanna
know. Who ordered enough guns? Cause I, I know you aint just doing
this shit on your own. You know what Im saying? Im not stupid. I
know youre talking to other people. I know youre shipping it to, to that
address inout in Oakland. I wanna know all about the address. I
wanna know everything basically. So I mean, can you think of anything
Ernie?
DIAZ:
This is it, this is your only shot, all right? To help us get some of those
guns back. All right? Your family still lives in Oakland, right?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes, sir.
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DIAZ:
Right? Oaklands like Stockton. Lot of shootings, lot of homicides. You

dont want anyone in your family hurt by any guns that are out in the
street. Unintentionally, intentionally, we dont want that. At some point
all these shootings gotta stop, all right? And this is where you can help
us get back some of those guns. Thats it, thats what were here to talk
to you about. All right? Cant make any promises, cant cut any deals
with you. All we can do is talk to the prosecutor like Agent Martin said
and let them know that you helped us recover some of those guns. And
you may think you may not wanna, you know, give a name of somebody
you know, but think about it. They put you in this position by either
asking you or paying you to go buy those guns. All right? So all youre
doing is getting those guns back. Youre gonna help us get those guns
back. Thats it. We got people in Oakland ready to go right now. But
you got to give us the names, you gotta give us phone numbers, you
gotta give us addresses to get those guns back. Cause the longer those
guns are out in the street in Oakland or wherever else you sold them,
whicghLike Agent Martin said, they will pop up in different places.
Saint Leandro
MARTIN:
Yeah.
DIAZ:
Uh, Im sure Stockton and Modesto. Every one of those guns that comes
back at a crime scene, God forbid a homicide, when it gets traced, you
know whose name is on that form?
MARTIN:
Thats yours, man. Theyve already been traced. Ive already They
traced and popping up. Thats why they didnt do that interview. And
like holy shit, look at how many guns youre getting traced back. Right?
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DIAZ:
So were gonna go through that list, all right? And, and, uh, well talk
about each gun, each purchase andI know you dont have all the guns
you bought somewhere, whatever it is your security firm or at your
girlfriends house, or at your parents house. So youre gonna have to
remember where those guns went, okay? All right.
MARTIN:
All right. Real quick, what, whats up? Whats the story with Vince
Mackey? Did, did, uh
JAMINSON-Purry:
I used to work with him.
MARTIN:
You just worked with him? Thats it?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah.
MARTIN:
When did you quit working there?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Probably like seven, six, seven months ago.
MARTIN:
All right, sixall right. Okay. Here, the first thing Im gonna ask you, I
got, I got a deal here, I dont have a freakin computer. I aint gonna
bullshit you. I know this, thats you, thats you mailing those guns out
there in Vegas. I got a really good video; like six angles of it on a CD.
Because thats the Postal Service, they got really good cameras in there.
But, uhThose guns, uh, those, they got intercepted. Obviously, you
know that those guns didnt show up out in Oakland, right? You know
what Im talking about, right?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Mhm.
MARTIN:
The guns you shipped.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Mhm.
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MARTIN:
You unders
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah.
MARTIN:
Okay, they didnt show up. Those were seized by the Postal Service. The
Postal Service wants to indict you on that, cause thats a felony, to, to
ship those guns. Its also an ATF violation as well, uh, for you to ship
them through a common carrier and stuff, you basically got in a crime so
thats not good. Uh, the guns that you shipped that day, you were
shipping them to, uh, uh, Leroy Helsy [PH].
JAMINSON-Purry:
Uh-huh.
MARTIN:
Whats the story on that?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Nothing, thats my friend.
MARTIN:
Thats your friend.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Thats my Goddaughters dad.
MARTIN:
Your Goddaughters dad?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes, sir.
MARTIN:
And what is his involvement? And I need you to be fucking totally

honest.
JAMINSON-Purry:
None, none. He gets, he gets them.
MARTIN:
And what does he do with them once he receives them.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Nothing. Just has the box. I came back, I pick them up.
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MARTIN:
So he says, Hey dude, your packages are here.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah.
MARTIN:
Cause I know you shipped, uh, uh, others; cause we got those labels as
well, okay? UhSo he, he calls you up?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No.
MARTIN:
How, how does that work?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Whenever I get back in town I just go pick them up.
MARTIN:
Does he open them up or anything?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, sir.
MARTIN:
Okay. So you ship them toJust to that address. Why, why his address,
dude?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Huh?
MARTIN:
Why his house? Just out of curiosity.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I know hell be home.
MARTIN:
Yeah.
JAMINSON-Purry:
He doesnt work.
MARTIN:
He doesnt work?
JAMINSON-Purry:
He just takes care of my[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
And he signs for them, all right?
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Huh?
MARTIN:
Hes gotta sign for them though. He, he signs for them. I mean, we got a
signature. You know how you get the electronic bill, which we saw
where he signed for them.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes.
MARTIN:
Okay. Um
DIAZ:
Does he know whats in them?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, sir.
DIAZ:
What, whatare you kicking him some money for signing for those
boxes or something? [Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, thats my[Voices overlap]
DIAZ:
At some poing, I mean, what[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Thats, thats my Godsthats my Goddaughters dad. Like literally, I

have, he like does work for me. Like I have a mobile installation
business. I have a permit for it. Like car audio, video and stuff like that.
MARTIN:
Yeah.
JAMINSON-Purry:
And hes just likeonly work he gets because he
MARTIN:
So you kick him some work?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, only worksLike he automatically, outside of his
MARTIN:
Mhm.
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JAMINSON-Purry:
He only, really money he gets is like if you need a radio hooked up
MARTIN:
Mhm.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I will send you to him. Like literally like that. He cant work cause
he[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
So
JAMINSON-Purry:
Hes basically the mom and the dad, cause the mom works.
MARTIN:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
So he cant, he cant leave the house anyway. He has a fresh baby, so he

cant go out and try to find a job cause they cant afford childcare and all
that. He is basically the one watching the kid.
MARTIN:
How many kids?
JAMINSON-Purry:
He was two kids.
MARTIN:
Two kids. How old are those kids?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Uh, I think isoh, his youngest is gonna be one in January and his
oldest is gonna be twelve.
MARTIN:
Twelve?
JAMINSON-Purry:
If shes not twelve already.
MARTIN:
Okay, real important, are there any guns in the house right now?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, sir.
MARTIN:
Okay. When was the last time a gun was shipped to that house?
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Pst, cantcouplecouple of months.
MARTIN:
Okay. Any reason why you use the name Kenny Clutch?
JAMINSON-Purry:
You say what?
MARTIN:
I said, any reason why you use that name Kenny Clutch?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, sir.
MARTIN:
You know who that is, right?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah. Yeah.
MARTIN:
Yeah, cause Kenny Clutch is dead. [Chuckles]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Oh no; I just use his name. I dont know who that is, like
MARTIN:
You know who Kenny Clutch is.
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, I didnt
MARTIN:
No, dude.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Blantly [sic]hes my friend.
MARTIN:
No, Im not, Im not saying you knew the guy personally.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah.
MARTIN:
Im saying that you knew who he was. Does that make sense?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah. I heard[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Big Oakland rapper, you know?
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah, well I did hear about him from being a rapper.
MARTIN:
You heard about what happened in Vegas, right?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes, sir.
MARTIN:
So why, why do you use that name?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I just use Kenny Clutch, I had no precedent; Kenny Clutch, the first
name that came to my head and started using it literally.
MARTIN:
Okay, I was just curious.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah, I know.
MARTIN:
I was like, hum, what? Cause everybody in Vegas knows who that is,
right?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah.
MARTIN:
So
DIAZ:
So if youre shipping these guns to Oakland to yourand he didnt, uh,

Leroy doesnt know what youre doing? Why? I mean, obviously you
know what youre doing isnt right. Right?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes, sir.
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DIAZ:
I mean, otherwise youd put your real name on there. I mean, if I ship a
birthday package to my brother out of state, Im gonna use my real
name. Cause theres nothing in that parcel that I need to be worried
about. So, I mean, obviously when youre shipping guns across interstate
lines to an address that isnt yours, circumventing the state gun laws as
well, and youre using a false name, I mean, Ive be kind of concerned,
right? ButAnd youre doing that; you knew what you were doing.
Dude, is not right. I mean, unless, unless, unless theres some other
reason that you can tell me to convince us why you did that.
JAMINSON-Purry:
No other reason.
DIAZ:
Was, was what? Because you were shippingbuying the guns in Vegas
and shipping them to Oakland.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes.
MARTIN:
So how many total did you ship? I, I think I got a good idea, because we
got an, an idea ofthey can track the names on the labels and stuff.
How many packages did you sent total? Cause one was intercepted and
I, I know there were others because all they have to do is Kenny Clutch,
three, ninety, five Keys. [PH] Why three, ninety-five Keys as well? Is
that just some random address? [Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes, it just pop in my head, it was all random.
MARTIN:
You were just driving by there and you saw it or something?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes.
MARTIN:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Made up an address, packages total.
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DIAZ:
Well heres, heres one of the first things Id like to do. Is, uh, Id like to
have our agents in Oakland go to Leroys house right now and talk to
him. Let him know that were talking to you right now and Id like them
to get consent from you to go look in the house for guns. I know you
said theres none in there right now. But in order to put us at ease and
make sure that none of these guns may be, you know, his, one of his kids
accidentally gets a hold of them, we dont want that to happen. We need
to make sure for safety reasons theyre no more guns in that house.
Okay? Whats Leroys name? Now, hes home, you just said he doesnt
work.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah.
DIAZ:
Okay? Whats his phone number?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I dont know it by heart.
DIAZ:
Is it in your phone? [Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
You got, you got it in your cell phone?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Huh? Its[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Is it, is it on the iPhone or on that other phone?
DIAZ:
We got your cell phone, so
JAMINSON-Purry:
It is, its in my iPhone.
MARTIN:
Okay. All right.
DIAZ:
Well go get your cell phone.
MARTIN:
Lets get that over there first.
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DIAZ:
Yeah.
MARTIN:
And then
DIAZ:
Before we call them.
MARTIN:
Yeah. So do you wanna go ahead and call?
DIAZ:
Yeah.
MARTIN:
Okay.
DIAZ:
And Ill grab the number.
MARTIN:
Yeah.
DIAZ:
Whats the address? Do you know? We got it, but
JAMINSON-Purry:
No
MARTIN:
[U/I] off hand
JAMINSON-Purry:
[U/I] apartmentIm trying to get the number on that. Excuse me,

cause [Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
I got the, I got the label you shipped it to. That, is that what youre
talking about? Right there. Is that it?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes.
MARTIN:
All right.
DIAZ:
Im gonna go talk to these guys.
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MARTIN:
All right, were gonna take a pause for a few minutes, all right? Lets get
thisIm telling you its important to clear that up. Then were gonna
talk about, uh, uhWho you might have sold to and where any of the
other guns are right now. So well, well talk about that then. All right?
[Rustling of paper] Id be right back. You want anything to drink?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, sir. Did, did you guys
MARTIN:
You want some food or something?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Did you guys call and get in contact with them to
MARTIN:
Oh, for the car? Well find out right now. Okay, well let you know right
now. All right. [Long pause, door slams, sighs, unintelligible voices in
the background, rustling]
[00:34:02 00:40:10]
DIAZ:
I got your phones here. [Noise, rustling of paper]
MARTIN:
All right, man. Im gonna pull out a list of the stuff.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Thats my phone. Thats my little [U/I] phone.
DIAZ:
Is Leroys number here?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, sir.
DIAZ:
Is it in this one?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes, sir.
DIAZ:
So we canI can give it to the other agent in Oakland?
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Huh? Yeah.
DIAZ:
Okay. Is itwhats the number? Uh the batterys dying and shit.
MARTIN:
You gotta find, find [Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Contacts.
DIAZ:
I asked.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Contacts, green button.
DIAZ:
Green button.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Right there.
MARTIN:
Right there.
DIAZ:
Yeah. Phone
JAMINSON-Purry:
L.
DIAZ:
Under L? Okay. Only ten percent.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah, L, L[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Let me, Im an iPhone guy.
JAMINSON-Purry:
The L.
DIAZ:
Youre more familiar with that.
Whats the number? And Ill, Ill text
it to, uh
MARTIN:
Okay.
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DIAZ:
Go ahead.
MARTIN:
Leroy, right?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes, sir.
MARTIN:
So, five, one, O, five, six, three, nine, six, sixty-one. [Unintelligible
voices in the background]
DIAZ:
Okay. Ill text it to our guy.
MARTIN:
Im gonna shut the phone off. All right. All right, packages real quick.
How many total? I know you shipped quite a few out pretty, pretty, real
close period of time.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I think, probably ten.
MARTIN:
Ten packages total?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah.
MARTIN:
What name did you use in all those packages? Or did you use different
names as well?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, sir.
MARTIN:
So you just used the Kenny Clutch?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes, sir.
MARTIN:
All right. That cost some money, right?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Huh?
MARTIN:
To ship those out? Right? [Chuckles]
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah.
DIAZ:
Were all of them shipped to Leroy? Or did you ship any to other, any
other different places?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Shit. Like Im recalling and going backwards.
MARTIN:
I mean, you would know. I mean[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
You know, Im, Im
MARTIN:
You, you, I mean, if, if[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Im trying to go back toeach box, like
MARTIN:
Thinking about it?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Im tracking it in my head so I can tell you[Voices overlap]
DIAZ:
Maybe when we go through the gun list. When we go through all the
guns, that, thatll refresh your memory. Cause then youll remember,
Oh shit, I bought five Glocks, and I went to the post office the day I
picked them up and I shipped them to so and so. Will that help you out?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Im just trying to think of the other name. Thats
MARTIN:
What I mean to say, you ship them allthe ones that you didnt ship, if
you ship them to that same address.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I shipped, I shipped them to one other address. I just dont remember the
address, [U/I].
MARTIN:
Whos? Whose house was it? Maybe we can pull it up?
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JAMINSON-Purry:
I dont I, I dont know the exact[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Come on now.
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, Im telling you. IveI have not once asked for a lawyer, I do not
remember.
MARTIN:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
So when you
MARTIN:
So whatOkay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Like yeah, that
MARTIN:
Well come back to that; well come back to that. So heObviously he

would sign for them and then when youYou wouldhow is that
working? Where youyou just didnt wanna drive the guns back?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, I just wanna[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Or you, you just jumped on a plane? Or
JAMINSON-Purry:
Whenever I get back in town, I just go get them.
MARTIN:
Would you rent a car going out there? Or did you fly out there?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, cause like I said, that when, just my main intent. Ill go out then just
be out there; Id be gambling and all that stuff and then buy the guns and
then Ill come back.
MARTIN:
And how would you come back?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Fly.
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MARTIN:
Fly? Flying? All right. All right. And I know you got some up in Reno
as well. So I know you
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah.
MARTIN:
You buy guns up in Reno.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Well
MARTIN:
So when you would go to Reno, would you fly back or you drive back?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Flew.
MARTIN:
You flew back?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, from, from
MARTIN:
From Reno?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Reno was just a gun show.
MARTIN:
Yeah.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I was up there bowling.
MARTIN:
Bowling?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah, bowling.
MARTIN:
All right.
DIAZ:
Pretty nice bowling in Reno.
MARTIN:
So, Im gonna pull out this list[Rustling of paper] Let me see whats
in here.
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JAMINSON-Purry:
They got in contact with them?
MARTIN:
Um?
JAMINSON-Purry:
For my car?
MARTIN:
Whats that?
JAMINSON-Purry:
If they get in contact with them for my car.
MARTIN:
[U/I] that guys on the phone with my boss, so Well step out here in a
minute.
JAMINSON-Purry:
All right.
MARTIN:
And well find out; I mean, that car is the least of your worries right
now. To be honest with you. All right. Pretty extensive list. I think it
goes in order. All right. We got a Glock Forty. So this is the one you
bought [Clears throat] It was traced. Uh, and I think it uhWas
registered in your name through, uh, gun registration. So, I dont know
what model number it is. I dont know if this is a twenty-three or a
twenty-seven or whatever. But anyhow, this one goes through gun
registration. Its a Springfield Armory, you bought it back in June. June
twenty-sixth. Forty cal, you bought it from this dude named Rob
Crawford [PH]. You remember that gun?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah, thats probably the XD, Forty.
MARTIN:
Okay. So where, where did this Springfield Armory, the serial number is
M, G, one, O, eight, four, O, two. You remember where that one went?
Do you remember who you sold it to? Its like you bought it back in
June; it was actually like one of the, one of the first ones you got. When
you started, when youre buying kick.
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JAMINSON-Purry:
No, everymostly every gun came back and went to the Mexican. And
I cant find him for shit in the world. Most we can just, I [U/I]
[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Okay, let me[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
I was [U/I] [Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Heres a real important question. Were you ordering for somebody else?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Huh?
MARTIN:
Were youlike were you shopping for somebody else? They would call
you and say, Hey, man, I need, uh, I need Glocks, I need [Voices
overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, I would, I would be buying themI, I like money, so
MARTIN:
I know.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I [U/I] most of the guns. Some of them I might have like put sights on
them and like, barrel, you know, the barrel lasers cause I like that type of
stuff.
MARTIN:
Yeah.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I always liked that type of stuff. It never was an intent on, Hey Ed, if
youre going out buy me twenty guns.
MARTIN:
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So who, who did you give them to? Did you
give them to one person and then they sold them? Or did you
like[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
I sold, I sold, I sold them to a Mexican. I met him at the car wash.
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MARTIN:
Which car wash?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Um, it was the car wash on a Hundred [U/I] east Fourteen.
MARTIN:
HundredOf One Hundred and[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Hundred avenue, east Fourteen. Theres a little car was right across the
street from
MARTIN:
East
JAMINSON-Purry:
From Auto Zone.
MARTIN:
One Fourteen?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Huh?
MARTIN:
One Fourteen or one hundred [Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Theres aall I know is on a Hundred avenue its literally, if you go on

a Hundred avenue its literally right there.
MARTIN:
East Fourteenth.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah, its literally on [Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Is it on the corner?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah, its on
MARTIN:
Of Fourteenth and a Hundred?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes, on the international[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Whats the name of the car wash?
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Iit just got black gates. Theres no signs, there be a taco truck in there.
MARTIN:
Okay, I need to know this guys name asap.
JAMINSON-Purry:
His name is Pablo.
MARTIN:
Pablo what?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I dont know his last name.
MARTIN:
Whats his cell phone number?
JAMINSON-Purry:
His [Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Is it in your phone?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No. Thats a different Pablo. Ive been trying to call him, not for this.
MARTIN:
Mhm.
JAMINSON-Purry:
This in general, and I cant find him. Like literally I dealt with him how
were talking here right now.
MARTIN:
Yeah.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I dealt with him face to face.
MARTIN:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I didnt deal with him on the phone.
MARTIN:
What is he driving? [Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
I dealt with him face to face.
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MARTIN:
What does he[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
He drives an S, Five-Fifty.
MARTIN:
S, FiveWho does he work for, man?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I have no idea, literally. [Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Who does he, uh Is he a gang member? Is he like a Norteo? He

mex
JAMINSON-Purry:
He metSee? I dont know the difference between that like, you know?
[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Yeah.
JAMINSON-Purry:
As far as gang thing. Hes Mexican.
MARTIN:
Yeah.
JAMINSON-Purry:
He got no tattoos; hes skinny. He drives a S, Five-Fifty. Like

thatseverything, the opposite
MARTIN:
Thats a sedan, right?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, thats a Mercedes.
MARTIN:
Mercedes what?
JAMINSON-Purry:
S, Five-Fifty.
MARTIN:
S, Five-Fifty is what? A sedan or is that like an SUV? [Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah. Thats a fourthats a four door.
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MARTIN:
Four doorsedan?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah.
MARTIN:
Four door car?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Four door luxury car.
MARTIN:
What color?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Black.
MARTIN:
Black? Cali plates?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Huh? Paper plates.
MARTIN:
Paper plates.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Dealer plates.
MARTIN:
Okay. Does he own that freaking place? Cause he aint working at that
fucking place [Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, I dontI dont know.
MARTIN:
If hes driving a fucking Mercedes. [Chuckles]
JAMINSON-Purry:
I dont I cant tell you if he own it; I never got to none of them
questions with him, sir.
MARTIN:
Okay, how many times have you seen this guy? Obviously youre giving
all the guns to him, right? [Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
I, I dealt directly with him. I got no, literally if you were to give me X
amount of guns, Ill find X amount of guns.
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MARTIN:
Mhm.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I know I can just go. Theres the workers, theres, you see, it be so many
traffic as turnover, you know what Im saying?
MARTIN:
Mhm.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Like literally I cant put a name on a face cause I dont know. Or a face
there, cause it could be the same face.
MARTIN:
How much were you making on each one of these guns?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Just enough to
MARTIN:
If you buy a Glock for five hundred and fifty dollars.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Just enough to sustain literally.
MARTIN:
And you, and you, and you took it to Pablo, just say one pistol; say you
bought it for five hundred, five-fifty, whatever youre getting it for out
in Vegas, how much is he paying you for it?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Ill sell it for probably double.
MARTIN:
So like a thousand?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah.
MARTIN:
Like double?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes.
MARTIN:
Whatever you pay, you paidAnd he paying themand he was straight

up, uhNo, no questions asked, he paid you double.
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Cash. Cause, I, honestly, honestly I was like, you know, its not my
business, but honestly I was like, its going to Mexico.
MARTIN:
Yeah.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Hohonestly, cause like from a car, is the average. If you got a paper
plate, I mean, Ive heard stories about[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Do you think hes cartel or what do you think?
JAMINSON-Purry:
II dontHe had no tattoos, sir. Like he dont look hot. I look normal
with this here. He dont look like hes nothing. He dont have no tattoos
I could see. He dont dress like he be Cardigan, you know what I'm
saying? Like he a business man or something. I never aksed [sic] him
questions. Like literally even if this never happened I dont give in to
none of that, you know what I'm saying? Like hed be in a cardigan,
hed be in a car.
DIAZ:
How old is this guy?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Huh?
DIAZ:
How old?
JAMINSON-Purry:
He gotta be like thirty something. Hes not forty. Cause I know what
forty year olds look like. Hes older than me for sure. Hes not younger
than me, hes older than me for sure.
DIAZ:
When you sold him the guns, were there other people with him that he
turned, that you could see him turn around and give the guns to them?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No. No, he put them he cutput them in his car, cut.
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DIAZ:
So you would buy the guns out of your own pocket first.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah.
DIAZ:
And you ship them or take them back to Oakland and then he would pay
you.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes.
DIAZ:
Did he ever give you money in advance for the guns?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Huh?
DIAZ:
Did he ever give you money ahead of time? [Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, alwaysalways like literallylike a lot of, you know where your
bank line is.
DIAZ:
Yeah.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I already knew he was gonna buy whatever it was. Because when he was
around, literally
DIAZ:
Right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Hed buy everything I got. Everything meaning to the fact I say

everything. I dont deal with none of that other stuff.
MARTIN:
Yeah.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Everything. If, everything.
DIAZ:
Did he ever give you[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
He would buy it.
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JAMINSON-Purry:
If you ever wanted to sell your truck in a parking garage
DIAZ:
He would buy it.
JAMINSON-Purry:
He would buy it. No checks, noI should check the money with a
marker. Everything. For, if you had a four wheeler, everything.
MARTIN:
Mhm.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Boat, every, soI didnt even reach to the other stuff, cause I dont deal
with that type of stuff. But any and everything. Any and everything.
Anythats like if I wanted to sell my sister, you know what I'm
saying?
MARTIN:
Mhm.
JAMINSON-Purry:
He would buy her. It was anypoor judgment, yes. I understand all that.
I did it for a reason.
MARTIN:
Mhm.
JAMINSON-Purry:
To proto provide for myself, for my family. Any everything. Any

everything. It was notI never dealt with him with none of that. Any
and everything. And the cold part is like I stumbled acrossto even
[U/I] this questionI stumbled across him because when I got finish
working one day
MARTIN:
Mhm.
JAMINSON-Purry:
He literally was there. He was getting his car washed.
MARTIN:
Yeah.
JAMINSON-Purry:
So I [Voices overlap]
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MARTIN:
Where you in your security
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah, I foundcause I just got finished doing something with my

friends.
MARTIN:
Mhm.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I was in full ensemble, literally. Vest
MARTIN:
Mhm.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Pistol, everything; you know, like I got the permits for it, so
MARTIN:
Right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I can literally standbe right there
MARTIN:
Mhm.
JAMINSON-Purry:
With it on.
MARTIN:
Mhm.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Cause I dont ever take off my duty belt, none of that.
MARTIN:
Right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
And thats how that whole thing initiated it.
MARTIN:
So what? How this initial conversation go?
JAMINSON-Purry:
He walked up to me. Like you could be sitting out like that. Im

likeIm gonna start laughing, you know what I'm saying?
MARTIN:
Yeah.
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Most peopleits Oakland, so half of the people probably got a gun

anyway.
MARTIN:
Right, right, right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
So
MARTIN:
So how, how did
JAMINSON-Purry:
He, he was talking, he initiate it the conversation. Im like, yeah; Im

like, Im legit, man. Like I have no worries. Im legally obligated to
carry my firearm.
MARTIN:
Right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
You know what I'm saying? Like legally. Im like, this is with the
exception that if I dont have this on, theres no more open carry.
MARTIN:
Mhm.
JAMINSON-Purry:
So I cant brantly [sic] walk around like that. That would be like asked
for a confrontation with OPD.
MARTIN:
Right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
And I know about OPD, so its not like
MARTIN:
Right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I wanna go through that.
MARTIN:
Right.
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Then we was [sic] talking. He was just having a normal conversation.

He was talking about soccer, which I know nothing about. You know,
thats big with them. He was talking about football, he a niner [sic] fan.
Im not a Raiders fan.
MARTIN:
Mhm.
JAMINSON-Purry:
And then he was like, Well, how much would that thing be costing?
Im like, it just depends; you know what I'm saying? Like literally, what
brand you buy, what you wanna buy. A gun is a gun.
MARTIN:
Right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Like you got the [U/I].
MARTIN:
The Mercedes gun Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah, and then the Avalon.
MARTIN:
And then you got the [U/I].
JAMINSON-Purry:
So thats literally all that. And he was like, he was like, Oh, well, do
you know somebody? Im like, No. You know what I'm saying?
Cause I literally dont, you know? Somebody that wanna buyYou
know somebody that got some guns. And then for a reason I aks him,
Im like, What do you need the gun for? Cause you dont look
MARTIN:
Right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
You know what I'm saying? If you look to a par Im automatically

assuming you got one too.
MARTIN:
Mhm.
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Cause you pass everything.
MARTIN:
Right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
And you built your way up to it. And so we got to that conversation and
I was like, why you dont have your guIm like, common sense, if you
got a California I.D. or if you go to the appropriate classes and pass you
can get it.
MARTIN:
Right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Im like, and my motto is, anybody that can get it, get it. Because you
never know whats gonna come.
MARTIN:
Right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Never know whats gonna come, from being the government stand point
to NRC [PH]. Im like, thats my thing in life. Like if you can get it, get
it. Because once you cant get it no more that ship has sailed. Then he
aksed [sic] me, and that was that. Then it was likeand thenthats
how it kicked off right then and there.
MARTIN:
Right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
It was likeIm like, there really wasnt nothere really was no

thinking. I was like, damn. I know I can make some money, you know?
MARTIN:
Right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
And thats
MARTIN:
Did he throw it out there that first time?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Huh?
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MARTIN:
Did he throw it out there this time?
JAMINSON-Purry:
He was like, he aksed, You know where I can get some guns?
MARTIN:
Yeah.
JAMINSON-Purry:
And Im like, no. Id neverI was, we was talking for an extensive

time, cause I was getting the car washed.
MARTIN:
Right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
And then I was like, No, I dont know.
MARTIN:
Yeah.
JAMINSON-Purry:
And then I was thinking and then it just like, you know what? Theres
a chance for me to catch up on some bills.
MARTIN:
Right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Pay some stuff all the way up. Like, you know what Im saying?
MARTIN:
I understand. Right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Literally there was no intent
MARTIN:
Right.
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JAMINSON-Purry:
And then it was that. And then it was, I was like, you know what? I was
like, You know what? I dont know nobody, but I might know
somebody. And I said, How would I get in contact with you? He
goes, oh, you know what I'm saying? Just go see my man. Pointed to
the dude. Never called his name. I [U/I] to catch his name, because I
literally would go to the car wash literally I would go to the car wash
and when he see me he already knew to get the message. It wasnt no
engage, like if we go somewhere and theres no engage conversation.
You get what Im saying?
MARTIN:
Mhm.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Thats out. Thats out and thats over. Theres no engage conversation.
See me come, I get out, get my car washed. Im not going to get my car
washed. I can go to any other place to get my car washed and thats how
I get the message to him. I already knew it was good, you know what
I'm saying? Like it wasnt not noI already knew that it was icing on
the cake. You know what I'm saying? Literally.
MARTIN:
Right, right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Like if I had, if I could put my hand on fifty, a hundred a thousand. I

already knew the icing on the cake. Poor judgment? YesI didnt aks
[sic] where they was going. How they was doing, you know what I'm
saying? But I like have Mexican friends
MARTIN:
Mhm.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Literally that I went to school with and you know, its like I aks
questions, I ask questions cause they gothey family got family in
Mexico. They dont go to take nothing, they just go to go.
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MARTIN:
Right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
And Id be trying to dibble into how the world over here. I know theres
cartel, and they, they tell me that theyre like, Well, we cant even go
over there and really walk around, cause were not with them. So were
not with them, even though we normally coming from the United States
going over there and our familys there. We was born here, theyd be
like, you know what I'm saying? We cant, they would engage with
them. If they see them, like, you know, you really ought to be, Mexican
out of place, youd be a tourist. Theres not really a place to even be a
citizen at this point because its their world and its just, the
rest[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Let, let me ask you this, the guy that you would give the guns to
JAMINSON-Purry:
I gave them directly to him.
MARTIN:
What, what was his name?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I gave them directly to Pablo.
MARTIN:
Oh, to Pablo?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah. Thats what Im telling you. It wasnt no[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Yeah.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Like literally, I [Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
So this is, Im, Im confused. Initially I thought Pablo said go to your

guy. Got to my man. [Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, I would go to him, you know what I'm saying?
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MARTIN:
Youd go to Pablo?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I wouldnt physically go, How you doing? you know what I'm saying?
MARTIN:
Yeah.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I would go to the car wash.
MARTIN:
Yeah.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Pablo is the bank.
MARTIN:
Yeah.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Pablo is the bank.
MARTIN:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Pablo was the bank. I would go to the car wash and if the agent, he see
me at the car wash he already knew what it was. There was no need for
conversation.
MARTIN:
Right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Cause one of the guys, you know thats sitting here or anybody sitting
there, you know, wouldve noticed. [Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Does he own the car wash?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I dontThat dude that I would go, he [U/I], you know what I'm
saying? Like its been [U/I] lost without you, catch my drift? I would go
down there, just to go.
MARTIN:
Mhm.
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Hes not there. Hes not there. That was my only direct line to Pablo.
[U/I] direct line. I just knew that he would come. Ive been doing that
for like the last two months.
MARTIN:
Mhm.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Just popping up out down there. He not there. I dont want to engage and
go to him like, How you doing, sir? What happened to the dude with
the mustache? You know? Thats not my place. I dont know them
people. They can be assassins.
DIAZ:
So when you would go there, Pablo would show up.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah.
DIAZ:
How did the transaction take place?
JAMINSON-Purry:
That was [Voices overlap]
DIAZ:
No, explain to me in very detail. You would get the guns out of what?
Your trunk? A bag? A duffel bag? Where did you have the guns?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Man, it was in a box.
DIAZ:
In a box.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Same box they get shipped in. [U/I]. [Voices overlap]
DIAZ:
And how many guns would you have in a box at a time [U/I]?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Four, five. If not[Voices overlap]
DIAZ:
What, what was the most you ever sold him at one time?
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Probably like fifteen. Hands down. I knew he was, you know, I didnt
know how extensive his bank was
MARTIN:
Mhm.
JAMINSON-Purry:
But its common sense. Like I know you gotta have cash to drive that
type of car. Or credit, you gotta have both really. And then like I said, he
never lookedI never seen this dude in street clothes. Ever. I never seen
him dressed down. How you guys are dressed. How Im dressed down,
he always is looking suave. Like he was gonna go somewhere, you
know what Im saying? Like he was going out or he was going to a
business meeting or something. He would always look the part. Like
literally. [U/I] had to be miraculous.
DIAZ:
So when you give him a box with four guns, would you just give him a
price?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Huh?
DIAZ:
And hed pay it?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah, it was
DIAZ:
No questions asked. Fifteen guns, I want
JAMINSON-Purry:
No questions asked, if[Voices overlap]
DIAZ:
Five thousand
JAMINSON-Purry:
[Stutters] If I had a hundred guns, Id be like, Man, lets see. If you

add them up a thousand
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JAMINSON-Purry:
TRANSCRIPTION
You know what Im saying? Pupupupu [PH] and Id be like, you know
what? I wanna go for the kill. He never once, never once debated the
price. Never once argued the price. Thats what had me feel is bad
judgment doing it, but it was like Even I, if Im buying something for
you, eventually Imma see if I can get it cheaper.
MARTIN:
Right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
It can be a, a moped, a soccer ball.
MARTIN:
Yeah.
JAMINSON-Purry:
It was never no debatable. You know what I'm saying? It was never no
debate.
MARTIN:
Right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Im like, man, I needId go, Pablo, this what they is, I need like
twenty-two. It wouldnt be no let me give you two. Pulled it out, cash.
Period. Period. It wasnt no talking, no credit cards, no I gotta go to the
bank. It was cash on delivery. Literally. When nothing else come, it was
cash on delivery. And me, like I said, the last two months I went up
there, you know what I'm saying? Cause my cousin and I got in some
legal troubles, so he needed, you know, money.
MARTIN:
Mhm.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I needed money for specific things. I dont have another outlet, way out,
you know what I'm saying?
MARTIN:
Right.
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Literally, thats my, thats my funds.
MARTIN:
Right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I knew that, that can help me so I can help my situation and my peoples
situation. Period. Moneywise. I went there, so imagine my face, were
looking like shit face, cause I dont see the dude that Im used to seeing.
MARTIN:
Mhm.
JAMINSON-Purry:
So
MARTIN:
The dude Pablo?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, Pablo wouldnt be there. I would go
MARTIN:
To the other guy.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Hes Pablo, youre, youre the dude.
MARTIN:
Mhm.
JAMINSON-Purry:
In the car wash.
MARTIN:
Working.
JAMINSON-Purry:
And you, you see me, you see me
MARTIN:
Mhm.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I aint gonna worry about that. However he get in contact with him
MARTIN:
Mhm.
JAMINSON-Purry:
It got nothing to do with me.
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MARTIN:
Mhm.
JAMINSON-Purry:
And he would show up. Hand over fist.
MARTIN:
Mhm.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Cut. No questions aksed. [sic] It was never no bust them open, open
them up. None of that.
MARTIN:
He just took the box.
JAMINSON-Purry:
He just bought the box. I couldve sold him a box of bricks, but you
know, Im not ready for Iraq, world war three. Cause I tried feeling him
out. You dont understand, I tried. I tried from the Mexicans to west
Oakland, to San Jose, like people that I see in clubs.
MARTIN:
Mhm.
JAMINSON-Purry:
When I worked in clubs. I tried. So, so its not hard, you know what I'm
saying? Like is not hard to really get a piece of, a piece of somebody
like some type of information. I tried, I tried. I wanted to know what I
was dealing with, you know what I'm saying? Like the money was great.
The money was great, help substantially, you know what I'm saying?
Helped a lot. People, you know, I got [Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
When was the last time you saw, saw this guy?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I aint seen Pablo or the other dude in two months. Its been the worst
two months of my life. Im just being honest. The worse two months,
cause I know ifIf youre there, hes gonna reach out to him. So if I got
five or fifty, you know what I'm saying?
MARTIN:
Mhm.
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Theyre gone. Thats like literally if we walk around the street and I go,
Whats that? you know what I'm saying? You say, you got a
thirty-eight, whatever, I give youHow much you wanna sell it for?
Oh, bro, Im not selling it. Now I know you aint got it illegally, you
know, I dont care whats None of that matters to me.
MARTIN:
How many guns did you sell total? To Pablo?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Probably everyone but three.
MARTIN:
Wheres those three?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Probably everyone but three.
MARTIN:
Where are those three at?
JAMINSON-Purry:
One is at the store and then my other gun is at my, uhMy actual, my
actual gun in California.
MARTIN:
Mhm.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Its at my mothers house.
MARTIN:
So you got one at moms, one at the store; wheres the store at?
JAMINSON-Purry:
UmIts in Henderson. [PH]
MARTIN:
Henderson and what?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes, in Henderson.
MARTIN:
Let me ask you this, any [U/I] address in, in, in Henderson? Whats up
with that?
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JAMINSON-Purry:
No, thats, thats [Chuckles]
MARTIN:
Well get into all that
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, no, no; thats just howtheres nothing there. Thats a girl that Im
cool with.
MARTIN:
Yeah.
JAMINSON-Purry:
She knows nothing that[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Youre using her address?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, I dont useNo, literally thats When I go out there
MARTIN:
Mhm.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I go ThatsShes like my girlfriend. Out here [Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Okay. Your Vegas girl.
JAMINSON-Purry:
She knows nothing of nothing.
MARTIN:
You got
JAMINSON-Purry:
I, I go there to go to sleep when Im not at Sunset Station gambling.
MARTIN:
Any, anything there?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, I dont have nothing there. I dont, I dont involve people I love.
[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
I saw the sign up in the window.
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Huh?
MARTIN:
I saw the sign up in the window.
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, I bought that from the gun show [at] East Sunset at the Sports
Center. Literally, literally. She wont shoot a gun if I forced her to. I
tried. [Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Let me ask you this. If I call my boys up in Vegas, they go knock on her
door, you think shell give us consent to search? Search her apartment?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Shes gonna probably break up with me. Right? Shes not [Voices
overlap]
MARTIN:
That, that is the least of your freaking worries right now.
JAMINSON-Purry:
But
MARTIN:
Because I need to clear that address of, of the deal. [Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Hold on. Ten, ten millimeters at the store.
MARTIN:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Ten millimeters at the store, waiting to be picked up.
MARTIN:
The store? Oh, which store? [Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
The store, umIts, its the one off ofcattycorner CarMax, uh, Davis.
I dont think is Davidson. I gotta remember the name. Hes a, hes a nice
[U/I]. [Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
So you already paid for it?
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes, sir. I already paid for that. The second gun is at my mothers house.
MARTIN:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
My Smith and Wesson forty andthe Annie Oakley address, last time I
was there, probably a month ago. Only thing if its there, cause Im not
sure will me my Smith and Wesson three-eighty.
MARTIN:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Smith and Wesson three-eighty. Thats the three guns.
MARTIN:
Okay. Im gonna send my guys over there and theyre gonna get that
gun. All right? Theyre gonna ask for consent search for that apartment,
okay? Is she gonna allow them in if shes there?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I mean, I can call her. [Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Theyre gonna tell her whats up.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Huh?
MARTIN:
Theyre gonna tell her whats up. Thats your property, right?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes, sir. Thats mine, I bought it fromI bought that one from a gun
store across the street from the airport.
MARTIN:
Whats your girlfriends name again?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Maria.
MARTIN:
Maria Lavert [PH], right?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes, sir.
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MARTIN:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
She gets off
MARTIN:
Where is she working at right now?
JAMINSON-Purry:
She works at Grind Burger Bar and Lounge.
MARTIN:
Grind Burger?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Grind Burger Bar and Lounge.
MARTIN:
Where is that one at?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Its inacross the street from the airport. On Tropicana.
MARTIN:
Lounge
JAMINSON-Purry:
She should be homeshe should be homeAnd I can even tell you

like, see? Itd be I know her, so it shouldnt be that, itd be like [U/I] but
you know[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
I know shes, shesShes a smart girl, right?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Huh?
MARTIN:
I, I mean, shes a college student as well right?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes, sir.
MARTIN:
Yeah.
JAMINSON-Purry:
But literally like all you gotta do is[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Cause Ive done a little homework on you guys and so
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JAMINSON-Purry:
No, no, thats fine. All you gotta do is, Im here to pick up Edwards
gun. And shes not gonna [Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Its a three-eighty. Like, Were here to pick up[U/I] Im just here to

pick up Edwards gun.
MARTIN:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
And thatll end that, cause theres nothing Like I said, those three,
theres nothing there. [Rustling of paper] Like at my moms house, the
only thing there is my Smith and Wesson forty.
MARTIN:
Okay. How are we gonna get this gun from your moms house without
her having a heart attack?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Just, Ill just call her and tell her to hand it to whoever.
MARTIN:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Literally, that same thing with Maria. I can just call

thewhen[Voices overlap]
DIAZ:
Thats the house that the agent Sanchez [U/I] right?[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes, yes.
DIAZ:
Okay. All right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I can just
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DIAZ:
Theyd go by andthey go by and talk to her and, and get it and if

theres any issues, what well do is well, well have them call us and
well put her on the phone with you. Okay? And you can explain that
youre
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah, see? I dont wanna explain to either one of them[Voices

overlap]
DIAZ:
You dont have to tell her. All you gotta tell her is [U/I]
JAMINSON-Purry:
I, Ilike literally, I know is, is we just, speaker, Mom, give the

gentlemen the gun. [Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Exactly, yeah. Thats, thats how you
JAMINSON-Purry:
I can call, I can call Maria
DIAZ:
Same thing.
JAMINSON-Purry:
What time you gonna be home?
DIAZ:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Give the gentleman the gun.
DIAZ:
Same thing.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Thats it. And my ten millimeter is at the store.
MARTIN:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
And Im trying to remember the store name I just know the owner is
Jason. [Voices overlap]
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MARTIN:
Well go, well go through
JAMINSON-Purry:
I just know[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Every one of these on the list, well, uh, uh, uh even though you
probably bought guns from that store before.
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, but ImNo, but Im telling you now to everything [U/I], that ten
millimeter is there.
MARTIN:
Right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I neverI just paid[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
You never take it
JAMINSON-Purry:
I, I just paid for it. Because like, that was, that wasto me thats like,
you know, thats gonna be my expose weapon. Cause shit, I paid too
much for it, but Ive seen what it cost on eBay.
MARTIN:
Mhm.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Literally like he gave me a mercenary deal for it. Im like thirteen

hundred dollars.
MARTIN:
Mhm.
JAMINSON-Purry:
When its on eBay for like twenty-five, because of what it is. Its a ten
millimeter, full size, weird color. I never seen it before.
MARTIN:
Mhm.
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JAMINSON-Purry:
And my Smith and Wesson hes name is Jason, the guy at the store is
still there, physically still there. He has in his possession, I dont have a
blue card for it, [U/I] I just paid for it.
MARTIN:
Mhm.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Here you go, Jay; I hitted [sic] the casino, crap table; here you go, Jay.
Smith and Wesson I bought from the store right across the street from
the airport, with the big army tank.
MARTIN:
Oh, I think I know what youre talking about.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Like theythey nice people.
MARTIN:
Machine Gun Kellys?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah, yeah. I bought, I bought it, I bought it from there.
DIAZ:
Which one? The three-eighty or the
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah, theNo, the forty is my California weapon.
DIAZ:
Okay.
MARTIN:
Okay, the three-eighty[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Thats the one Ithatsthe three-eighty is at Marias house. The ten

millimeter at the store and the forty is at my mothers house. And
literally whoever say, Mom, give such and such the gun. Period, point
blank.
MARTIN:
[U/I], we need to figure out this whole car wash situation. What do we
wanna do with that?
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DIAZ:
You know, II appreciate you telling us about Pablo, but for someone
that you dealt with a couple of times and you had that much money
exchanging hands and all that, I justI, I wish theres something more
you can give us on Pablo. That can help us find him or find out, you
know, more about him.
MARTIN:
Cause those guns are gonna keep popping.
DIAZ:
Right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I wasI cant give you more on Pablo. Ive never been in trouble. Ive
only live for my family, for myself to make, to better for myself and for
them. I got friends that got killed that Im literally responsible for their
kids. Theyre all I know. So I only live for them. Literally, for my
family
DIAZ:
Did Pablo ever call you? Did you ever give him his number?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, I dontI dont deal with that. I dontUncharted territories, you

know what I'm saying? First of all, me personally, outside of any of this;
I dont even care for the phone, you know? It was strictly, Im telling
you, I knew that because this is all I got back from Pablo aksing [sic]
around. Oh, he about whatever. Period, point blank, cause I worked
nightclubs too, I used to.
MARTIN:
Right.
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Where I, so Id be downtown Frisco, downtown Oakland, Friday,

Saturdays at multiple venues, working nightclubs. Like I said, you see
everybody, you may not go to their hood, they might not come to yours,
but everybodys meeting at the club. And the club is safe haven, if
youre fucking with him, you, you all gonna end that because its like,
you cant go to the parking lot, shoot, shoot, bang, bang. Because its
nothing but [U/I] security around you. Thats first respected in the street,
you know what I'm saying? Like everybody can have a gun, you can still
not respect nobody. But if you know a person outside of that uniform,
theres potential where it could go to our family members, our reputation
follows you. That was a safe haven. Only thing I got about Pablo, he
bought whatever. Period, point blank.
MARTIN:
And who were you hearing this from?
JAMINSON-Purry:
The Mexicans. ThatI dont see, I dont know what Nortes and them is
like, I dont know the difference. If we put two Latinos in front of me
MARTIN:
You couldnt
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JAMINSON-Purry:
I couldnt tell you whatswhich is what gang, like with my actual

Latino friends, itll kill me, because one stay here and one stay here,
theyre together, you know what I'm saying? Theyre friends. But I
know the territorial of my head is like, dude, they call themselves this,
you know what I'm saying? Like how youre not riding with them? If
something happens, no, theyre friends. I know he bought everything. I
was just selling him the guns when I came in. I know he bought
everything because that got confirmed and concurred to me from some
Mexicans I met from San Jose. It was like strictly small talk. Im like,
Hey, bro, have no idea where Pablo is? Suave, dude, always dressed
up. I dont know if he just made that approached to me. He couldve
have a hundred tattoos, you know what I'm saying? He had no neck
tattoos, he had full facial hair. He was the only Mexican I know like,
with full facial hair, you know what I'm saying? Like literally full Rick
Ross beard.
MARTIN:
Mhm.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Fully Rick Ross beard. You know, when Latinos cut their hair, its like,
its not bald headed, its like buzz cut. Cause you could do so much but
still [U/I] hair. And he had that car, I know how much that car cost. I
would love to have a CLS, I know how much that car costs. Thats the
only thing I got back from him. He bought anything, Bro, whats
anything? Anything [U/I] cars, guns, drugs. Anything. Anything.
DIAZ:
You said the last time you saw him, you hadnt seen him for two
months.
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, I havent seen him
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DIAZ:
Is that because you hadnt gone to the car wash or he wasnt there?
[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, I go, I do go to the car wash.
MARTIN:
Right. But you
JAMINSON-Purry:
If hed buy anything
MARTIN:
Right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Anything is anything; like if you say, Ed, I got three guns. You know
what I'm saying? I got, I got three guns. Not that Im asking for them,
but you know, cause you need some money. Or youre selling
something. Im not gonna turn right around and sell it to him for a profit.
Its full for profit. Id be going there because I know if I see the
middleman he would get the message to him; however he conveys the
message to him. I would go therelike when I need money, you know
what I'm saying? For something, its not me begging or getting
something off. Its strictly, This is what I got. Anything, his money
was longer thanI, I just wish I could have money like that. Because if
he was buying anything, cause is crazy, cause from anything and it was
like hed buy drugs, hed buy weed, he was buying that by the shitload
too. So I dont know if he had a cannabis club or what it was. Cause,
come on, who needs to buy a shitload of weed. Like seriously, its okay
to have California allocated maximum but likeIm not talking about
ounces, Im talking about pounds. You harvest it and you throw it in the
trash bag, its gone. Now, Ive never seen that with myeye to eye, I
only sold him was guns I sent back.
MARTIN:
Mhm.
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Thats it. I never seen none of that dealing with none of that. I dont
know nobody who got pounds of weed, you know what Im saying? If I
did its full for profit, you know what I'm saying? Like you know what
the market value is in America for everything. A car, a houseits like,
okay, if a pound of weed is going for twenty-five hundred in Oakland
right now, you know what I'm saying? For whatever your purpose is.
MARTIN:
Mhm.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I know what a pound of weed is going for in Mississippi.
DIAZ:
All right Ed, lets get back on track with the guns. Was there anyone else
other than Pablo that you sold guns to? That maybe you needed money,
you couldnt get a hold of Pablo, or whatever reason you couldnt sell
them to Pablo[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
I sold
MARTIN:
Was there anyone else that we can [Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
I sold
MARTIN:
Look into to get the guns back?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I sold them all to Pablo. Cause, my thing is, is honesty. Look where Im
at right now. I dontI did it for my family and to better myself
moneywise. Paying [U/I] bills. I dont like taking itIf were having a
conversation, I dont wanna talk to you and we get in depth about
something
MARTIN:
Mhm.
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JAMINSON-Purry:
And then your answer is no, you know what I'm saying? IIm not
gonna say, Youre wasting my time. Cause Im not confrontational, I
can be confrontational, but is likeI dont deal with that. If it aint for
sure Im not dealing with you, sir. Period. Get what I'm saying? If I talk
to you, you can just be pecking me for information, you know what I'm
saying? See what Im gonna give you, how far Im gonna string you
along, see what you can get out of me. To see if can probably cut me
out, thats how most people be. I dealt with him cause it was money.
You dont understand, I cant even blast out that magnitude. If I had a
hundred pounds of weed in a car, he would buy it. He would buy it. And
he proved that when I sold him all them guns in one time, you know
what I'm saying? Like literally, I dont
DIAZ:
Here, here, heres the concern I got, you may think the guns are going to
Mexico, but guess what? Theyre not.
MARTIN:
Theyre staying in Oakland.
DIAZ:
Theyre showing up in shootings in Oakland. And its on you, so youd

better come up with more information on Pablo, other than he buys
everything and hes about whatever.
MARTIN:
Yeah.
DIAZ:
Thats the bottom line.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I hear you.
DIAZ:
So lets gowhat else you got on Pablo?
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Thats all I have on him. I, whenwhen, if I get out of here Im gonna

try to really find somebody, cause now that thatsI cant have that
come back on me. I cant[Voices overlap]
DIAZ:
Its too late. Its too late. You got a lot of guns out there and theyre
gonna come back on you. Im telling you, I swear to you, these guns are
gonna show up in shootings, in homicides
MARTIN:
Theres already been one shooting.
DIAZ:
Okay? And theyre gonna come back to you. So youd better think real
hard right now about this mister Pablo and how the fuck we can find him
to get these guns back! All right? But I[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
I just told you, sir. I
DIAZ:
Were wasting time right now.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Im not trying to waste time. Im[Voices overlap]
DIAZ:
We are wasting time.
JAMINSON-Purry:
You asked me to be blantly [sic] honest
DIAZ:
And I, I want you to be honest.
JAMINSON-Purry:
And, and
DIAZ:
But I, I goI know if youre dealing with this guy and you been dealing
with him for months, you gotta know a little more something than just
Pablo.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Thats not true, thats not accurate. Thats not true, thats not accurate.
Thats money, cash on delivery, sir.
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DIAZ:
Pablo is the only guy you Let me, let me just go over a couple of
things. You bought a bunch of guns in Vegas; you brought them into
California; you sold them to a guy named Pablo so you can make
money. Is there anyone else that you sold guns to?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I sold one gun to this black dude but I dont know his name. He gave me
a thousand dollars.
DIAZ:
Okay, which gun did you sell to him?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I think I sold him the Springfield XDS.
DIAZ:
Now thats, thats[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
And thats, thats the only gun I sold
DIAZ:
You understand what Im saying?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes, sir.
DIAZ:
Earlier you said Pablo was the only guy you sold guns to. [Voices
overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, thats, thats the only, yeah I cant, I cant tell you his name.
DIAZ:
Well
JAMINSON-Purry:
He asked about a gun, literally, like
DIAZ:
Where did you meet him at?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Ive seen him at the Nacho [PH] spot on Ninety-eighth avenue in East
Oakland. Above Brookfield.
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MARTIN:
Nacho spot?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes, sir.
DIAZ:
And you sold it to him for a thousand.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes, sir.
DIAZ:
You just go to the Nacho spot and you meet a guy and he asked you for
a gun? [Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, I had my gun
DIAZ:
Or what? [Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
I had my gun on.
DIAZ:
Did somebody introduce you and said, Hey, someones looking for a
gun. [Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
I had my gun on me. I had the XD on my hip.
DIAZ:
And he says, Cool gun, how do I get one?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, he was like, Whats up, bre [PH]? Thats how people
acknowledged up in Oakland.
DIAZ:
Right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Whats up with it? Uh, the kid said, hes like, yeah, Hey, what kind of
gun is that? XD-Forty-Five, Springfield. What? I never heard of
that. I said, Yeah, its literally exclusive.
DIAZ:
Right.
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JAMINSON-Purry:
He like, Whats up? Where do you buy that at? It wasnt intentionally
gonna sell to him. Shit! I said I raise the prices, because like I said, I
dont deal with peopleIf I dont know you, like that Pablo situation
was a stumble, which was a gold mine. Which came back to be a bite me
in the ass, but blind judgment on myself. He gave me the thousand
dollars I took it right off my hip, hand it to him. Gave him one clip.
Didnt give him anything. Like I didnt give him a holster no nothing.
MARTIN:
So
JAMINSON-Purry:
I, I took the gun out, popped the bullets out. Cha-chi. Here you go, gave
me the thousand dollars.
DIAZ:
What was that? You wiped your
JAMINSON-Purry:
Here you go, you know what I'm saying? And he took off going towards
the Brady [PH] park.
DIAZ:
And he gave you a thousand bucks right there?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Gave me a thousand dollars.
MARTIN:
When
DIAZ:
And
MARTIN:
When did this happen?
JAMINSON-Purry:
And he tried to give me some weed like you know, most people smoke. I
dont smoke or drink.
DIAZ:
All right, when, when did this happen?
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JAMINSON-Purry:
I sold this one to himIt had to beLike, I think it was before the
Fourth of July. Cause it was around the Fourth, cause that was, that
wasthat was crazy, it was around the Fourth. Cause I was looking for
fireworks.
DIAZ:
So you sold this guy that you had no idea, that you just met a Springfield
Forty-five XD for a thousand dollars, how is that gonna help us get that
gun back? Huh?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I[Sighs]
DIAZ:
Put yourself in our shoes. Were trying to get these guns off the street.
How is that gonna help us get that gun back?
MARTIN:
Cause that, thats the, thats the[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Sir, Im, Im
MARTIN:
Let me just stop you real[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Im thinking of...
MARTIN:
Real quick. When I go back and talk to my prosecutor, who is in

Nevada, she already wants to throw the book at you, just so you know.
Uh, if I dont come back and say, He bought sixty-five guns, or
whatever, right? And we got forty of them, cause he was so helpful. If
I go back to her and said, Yeah, he talked for four hours, but you know
how many guns we got out of that conversation?
JAMINSON-Purry:
But, thats why Im
MARTIN:
Goose egg! [PH]
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Thats why I [Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Shes gonna be like
JAMINSON-Purry:
Thats why Im telling you[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Im, Im just telling you.
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, no. No.
MARTIN:
Im just being straight with you, dude. [Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, I hear you. Thats why when I do, Im about toI gotta hit the
pavement at this point. I hear exactly what you all saying. I gotta hit the
pavement. Now I gotta really start going to ask questions. Like literally,
like, Bro, whats up? Its different cause its coming from me. I [U/I],
I need to buy them back.
MARTIN:
So youre, youre acting like thats an option.
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, I
MARTIN:
That, that isnt an option for you to pavement. You hitting the pavement
as right here in this room. [Knocking sound] Me writing stuff on the
paper. Because you may not get to hit the pavement. I dont think youre
getting that. You see? You understand that? You might be behind bars.
The judge may sayyou know what? Theres no bail in Federal court,
you understand that, right?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Im sorry, I didnt know that.
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MARTIN:
Yeah, yeah, its either detained or released. Okay? Depending on what

you did. So theres no, Im gonna call my bail bonds man and Ill give
him, kick him two percent of the freaking bail and Im gonna walk on
the street. It aint like that, this aint state court. This is Fed court,
right? Its a little different. [Clears throat] The judge basically decides.
Soand what do you think the judge is gonna do when he, when he
hears, when he sees all this? Either hes gonna say, You know what?
Were gonna let this guy out. May or may not buy more guns; may or
may not do this. MayYou know, theres a shooting in the Bay area
on this, thisI can show you the traces, you know? That this are
popping up. Then he may or may not ship more firearms through the
mail. You know, lets go ahead and let his guy roll. Do you think hes
gonna do that? Im just being honest. Do you think hes gonna let you
out?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, sir.
MARTIN:
Yeah, so I mean, theres no hitting the streets. Your time to help us is

right now and I tru, I truly thought I got that through to you when we
first walked in here. And I appreciate that youre talking to me. That
youre [Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Do you have a charger for my phone? Can somebody have an iPhone

Five charger?
DIAZ:
We can check, but Im not sure how much battery is left[Voices

overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, thats not the phone. Thats, that
MARTIN:
Ill go find out. Lets take a break real quick.
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DIAZ:
Do you want water or anything?
MARTIN:
You want someAre you hungry, man?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No.
MARTIN:
Cause were gonna be here for a while.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Im not.
MARTIN:
You want some food? A burger or something?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, sir.
MARTIN:
No?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Can I just give themmy step-mom or my mom a call? Just to let them
know[Voices overlap]
DIAZ:
Ill tell you, once were done here talking, you, you can call, all right?
Good?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes, sir.
DIAZ:
All right. Thanks. [Long pause, noise, door slams, voices in the
background, laughter]
[00:23:34 00:33:57]
GRINDER:
Hey, brother. How you doing? Im Wes. [PH] Nice to meet you. Real
quick, I got some questions for you, if, if you dont mind.
DIAZ:
Hes coming back. Remember him? From, uh
GRINDER:
I was at the courthouse with you.
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DIAZ:
Yeah. Yeah.
GRINDER:
I saw you real quick there. Hey, um, when were returning your car, we
gave it to, uh, Miss Turner.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Mhm.
GRINDER:
Okay. Who is Miss Turner to you?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Thats like my girlfriend. Im planning on getting married to her.
GRINDER:
Okay, you also have a girlfriend in, in Vegas though.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes, sir.
GRINDER:
Okay, so which one are you engaged to? Uh, the one here in Salida [PH]
or the one there in Vegas?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Neither one
GRINDER:
Does either know each other?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No.
GRINDER:
Okay, um how long do you stay here in, uh, Salida?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I dont really. I just come thru.
GRINDER:
Well, thats kind of different than what, uhwhat she said.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Like literally I dont physicallyId be there the majority of my time

but I dont, I wouldnt call that home.
GRINDER:
Okay, how often do you stay there?
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Probably like four or five nights a week.
GRINDER:
Fourso then you probably do stay there then?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah.
GRINDER:
I mean, four or five nights, thats quite a bit of time, right?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah.
GRINDER:
Okay, what elses at the house there?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Nothing.
GRINDER:
Theres nothing in there.
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, sir. I dont
GRINDER:
So if we get a search warrant for this place theres gonna be nothing

there?
JAMINSON-Purry:
There
GRINDER:
Okay, and if[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Im not, Im not
GRINDER:
Listen, listen real quick, okay? Um, Im just a Task Force Officer with
ATF.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah, I know.
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GRINDER:
Okay? Um, but I listen to whats going on. I know a little bit about the
case and I dont think youre being honest with us, okay? And heres
why Im telling you that, okay? I can tell by the way youre, way youre
answering things; youre minimizing things, whats going on. This isnt
County time, this is Federal time; this is a whole different story. I wanna
tell people that before we get going, because theres a big difference
between County time and Federal time. Brother, is a whole different
world, okay? The charges are serious, the stuff youre facing are serious.
These are serious deals that are going on and I dont think youre being
totally honest because I dont think you wanna get in trouble. The best
thing you can do right now is to help yourself out. Okay? The
reasonand helping yourself out, give us the truth. The stuff youre
talking about is bullshit. It is complete bullshit, Im gonna be honest
with you. Thats my opinion, and Im not trying to offend you, Im
gonna be a hundred percent honest with you. Im, Im straight. I dont
bullshit people. Okay? But what Im telling you is you, youre not being
honest with us, okay? Im telling you that youre not being honest with
us. Theres a bigger picture here. Just think like a puzzle, okay? This
whole deal is a puzzle and all we try to do isCause we have our, our
side of the puzzle and myWe have the perimeter of the puzzle, you
know, like a square? And then youre the inside, okay? We have the
outside, okay? We need the inside. Okay? When these guns start
showing up and theyre starting killing people, okay? Cause this, this is
a whole different investigation then, okay? Youre, youre gonna start
being involved in the bigger picture and thats what you need to avoid.
And thats whyenough of this bullshit, you need to start being honest
with us, okay? Period. Enough with this. Listen to me for a minute, this
is serious shit. Serious, so please, so can wecan, can we get out of this
outside bullshit and start working on whats in here, please? Please.
Cause youre wasting our time and you were wasting yours by just
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GRINDER:
Doing this piddly [PH] bullshit, okay? No more of this. So can we start
fresh now? Just start over. But I, I would wash everything you just
fucking said, wash it aside and start getting down to business, okay?
Cause thats what this is, its business. All right? So can we avoid all
this bullshit and just start over fresh? And you can start being honest
with us on what you know? We know more than what you think, and,
and andI dont know if theres been miscommunication between what
they have told you and what they are telling you. What Im telling you is
that youre lying to me. You were lying to the agents that were just in
here. Im not gonna lie to you lie to me, Ill just walk out, I just dont
have time for it. So can, can we start over, please? Can we please start
over? And start giving us everything that we got you, one hundred and
ten percent. Cause what you were giving us is bullshit. Oh my God, is
just, is complete bullshit and you know it. So can we start over? Please?
You can tell us straight [U/I]. Im a hundred percent honest with people.
Its, its a fault of my own, but thats just the way that I roll. So can we
start over now? Okay. So can you start, from start to finish exactly
whats going on? Cause this, this Mexican guy and thats bullshit. Oh
my Gosh, thatbrother, thats complete bullshit and you know it. So
were gonna wash all these away. I got a new piece of paper here. Can
we start to be honest now? Please, cause I dont want more people to get
hurt, okay? Cause you know all the shootings in Oakland. Fucking little
girls are getting shot, just on random shit. These people dont give a fuck
about you, you dont give a fuck about me. And Im telling you right
now, when one of these dudes gets popped with a gun and they have a
shitload to lose, you know who theyre gonna talk to? Mister Purry
gave me the gun. This is whereCause theres a, theres a bigger deal
going on here and you know it. So can we start over please? Please,
because what you gave us was complete shit. So can we start over?
Please.
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JAMINSON-Purry:
I did sell guns to Pablo. Thats not, thats not a[Voices overlap]
GRINDER:
Oh, oh sure. Oh, brother, come on, Im not saying that its a, a complete
lie, but brother, come on. Lets start over, okay? Start over fresh.
DIAZ:
And we got your phone and if thats gonna help you with names and
numbers.
GRINDER:
Cause heres the deal, brother, this is serious shit. This isnt county time.
And I dont think a lot of people get that until is too late. When you get
booked in Sacramento County Jail and youre arraigned tomorrow
morning when you see the Federal Judge, is not like County time; it is
business, brother, youre in there and out in two minutes. So can we start
over? Can I go get you some water?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Can I just get my phone so I can call [U/I] and
GRINDER:
Heres, heres [U/I].
JAMINSON-Purry:
And just make that process as light as possible.
GRINDER:
Heres what, hold on a second. [Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
For them, cause everybody is gonna
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GRINDER:
Here, heres the deal, what I want is I want to start over, to start fresh.
Start from the beginning and then well start to move, to move on. Cause
Im telling you, people that are getting involved, they dont give a shit
about you. Im, Im flat telling you that they dont. You wont get a
single phone call from one of these people when theyre in jail, because
the, the time startsWhen you get booked into jail and someone knows.
Its done, its flat done. Right now no one knows. So lets start over. If I
can get you some water; we need to start, fucking start fresh. Okay? Are
you good with that?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I dont need no water.
GRINDER:
Okay, brother, Ive got all the day, I got all the time in the world. But I
want a hundred percent truth. No more bullshit. I, I, I dont bullshit
people. I dont expect that back in return from you. And thats only fair,
brother. Thats only fair, okay? All right, so lets start over. Tell us
everything thats goeverything thats going on. Cause theres a lot
bigger picture than what youre telling us. Its a puzzle piece, lets start
filling it in now.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I was only selling them for profit.
GRINDER:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
You dont understand. My, my outage is, is more than I even can make.
I have so many people depending on me, literally.
GRINDER:
Now, what now?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I said my, my outage is more than what I ever can make, cause how
many people depend on me.
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GRINDER:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I have friends who got killed, who have kids, they all I know. Like
literally I neverI lose my hair, lose sleep cause they all I know.
GRINDER:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
And my parents, you know, I try to make everybody else happy, is never
really about me. If I can make my family smile thats all I care about is
my family, like literally. Thats, nothing else. Whatever I have to do. I
dont wanna hurt nobody, just to make life easier for my mom, my dad,
anybody. Thats it.
GRINDER:
Sure.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Its my only motive. Thats my only motive.
GRINDER:
Okay. Hey, brother, and thats, heyand thats commendable. This is

why we work, to take, to take care of our family. Okay? But theres a
difference though, people get hurt on guns. Okay? So lets, lets start
fresh.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Pablo, I did sell him a lot of guns.
GRINDER:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Thats really how I got in contact with him.
GRINDER:
Mhm.
JAMINSON-Purry:
End of story. Like theres noIm not [U/I] you, thats how I got in
contact with him.
GRINDER:
Okay.
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JAMINSON-Purry:
I showed up there, last two months. I wasnt trying to make a career out
of this shit.
GRINDER:
Sure.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I like money, like I dont have none of that money. That money all went
to something; to pay down or pay off. Like it wasnothing for profit. I
have nothing.
GRINDER:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Theres nothing at the house in Salida. I would never involve my

parents, the girls I talknone of that matters. I dont wanna put nobody
on harms risk.
GRINDER:
Sure.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Like literally how Im in here, everybody will flip. But theres [U/I]
theyll figure it out, not, I wouldnt bring nothing down. Like kicking the
door [U/I], theres nothing there. Theres nothing at my house in
Oakland. My address is but my gun, my Smith and Wesson.
GRINDER:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Theres nothing in Oakland but the Smith and Wesson three-eighty.
GRINDER:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Literally like, Mom, hand the officer the weapon. Maria, hand the
officer the weapon. Theres nothing in Salida.
GRINDER:
Okay.
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Theres nothing, theres nomy little sister is at, shes grown but shes
at my moms house.
GRINDER:
Sure.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Theres nothing there. Theres no stash houses, no anything. Every gun I

purchased themliterally theyre only three guns I have. And the
other[Voices overlap]
GRINDER:
How many
JAMINSON-Purry:
The third gun is, the third gun is at the store.
GRINDER:
How many guns did you buy?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I, I cant, really cant give you an accurate count. [Voices and laughing
heard in the background]
GRINDER:
FuckingDude, I mean
JAMINSON-Purry:
Sixty.
GRINDER:
So youre thinking sixty. Is that, is that a low guess or high guess?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Thats probably high guess.
GRINDER:
Okay. Hold on, one second, brother, okay? Give me two seconds. I
apologize. Dont mean to in, interrupt yougive me two seconds, all
right? All right, I, I apologize to you. [Door slams] Sorry brother, I
apologize. UmOkay, so you bought sixty guns.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes, sir.
GRINDER:
Is that a high or lowor low wall?
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Honestly, thats allI, pst, what I remember. I cant [U/I][Voices

overlap]
GRINDER:
Okay, and thats, and thats fine. If, if youre a few off [U/I] thats not a
big deal. Okay? Where did you buy them? You buy them at one store or
you buy them at two?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, I justgo buy multiple.
GRINDER:
Okay, at one time?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Not at one time, Id spread it out. I just, just go buy five here. I would
just buy them. Like if Im gambling [U/I], Im losing or whatever, Id go
buy them[Voices overlap]
GRINDER:
You buy any random guns or were they order?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, its nothing, ever Nothing is ever order. Like I dontI was
telling them, I dont trust people enough, cause come on, is like if I want
something, I want a pair of shoes and youre selling it. Im not gonna
waste your time and it something happens by the time you getting the
shoes to me, now Ive wasted your time, I dont know what you did to
get them shoes.
GRINDER:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
And now were gonna have a problem.
GRINDER:
How did you, how did you begin doing this? What, what was the
beginning thing? I mean, howwhat was the very beginning? How did
you get into this?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I didnt. The conversation with Pablo thats how I really got into it.
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GRINDER:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
He buy everything. Literally, thats not, thats not[Voices overlap]
GRINDER:
Is he a Paisa guy or is he a uh, American guy?
JAMINSON-Purry:
He, hes Mexican. Hes Mexican with a full beard and he, he really buzz
cut. ThatsNone of thats fabricated.
GRINDER:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Thats not a lie.
GRINDER:
No, no
JAMINSON-Purry:
I dont know the man to thisI dont want nothing to come down on my
parents, my girls, nothing. Im just trying to steer clear and like you said,
help myself.
GRINDER:
How many of the sixty guns did you sell to Paband to Pablo?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Not a problem, Im telling you, literally out of all them boxes. He got
more than half. At least forty, forty-five. Like literally. Everything,
everything else is random. Like not even me marketing like I said, Im
not gonna do, Im not gonna put an add up.
GRINDER:
Sure.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I got guns and not nobody orordering[Voices overlap]
GRINDER:
Just word of mouth then.
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Not even word of mouth, cause like Im sayingif youwe can be in

the streets, you can be right by me and wouldnt know that I have a gun
on me. Im not gonna conceal it or know that you can definitely know
that youre gonna buy a gun from me. Definitely dont work like that.
Definitely, thats no[Voices overlap]
GRINDER:
So ifso what did you do with the other guns then?
JAMINSON-Purry:
The other guns, I went to the Nacho Spot on Ninety-eighth. Where I told
the dudeIf you buy me[Voices overlap]
GRINDER:
So youre hustling, I mean, youre out there and theres cats all around
saying, Hey, man, are you looking for a strap? Is that how youre
doing it? [Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, ImI literally after Pablo I tried to do extensive research you all
dont really understand me when I say that I tried to let you know what
Im messing with.
GRINDER:
Fuck yeah.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Is it hit the fanif it hit the fan
GRINDER:
What kind of research would you do? If I give them my name once,
what kind of research would you do?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I[Voices overlap]
GRINDER:
Especially Pablo, a Mexican national?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Im gonna ask if gotta get your bill, get your whole determination. Get
what you drive. I couldnt gethe had no plates, he had dealer plates, so
I couldnt get the drivers, um, license plate number.
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GRINDER:
Sure.
JAMINSON-Purry:
To run a VIN, or a Carfax, you know what Im saying?
GRINDER:
Sure.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Get some type of address information. In case [U/I] [Voices overlap]
GRINDER:
What kind of workup would you do on fucking Pablo?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I was just aksing every Mexican I knew. Everyone. I dont care

[Voices overlap]
GRINDER:
You know how many Pablos are out there?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Huh?
GRINDER:
Do you know how many Pablos are out there?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Theres not many Pablos dressed like that, driving that. Walking around
with cash, buying everything up from here to San Jose.
GRINDER:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Is not that many. Me, breaking it down. The other guns I just soldlike
I never soldI sold them to one person, literally, like, Here, brother,
just giveHere, here, brother, just give me Whatever it was. Just
give me [Voices overlap]
GRINDER:
Were you ever taking a loss on them?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Huh?
GRINDER:
Would you ever take a loss on them?
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JAMINSON-Purry:
No.
GRINDER:
So how much would you make on an average gun then?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Probably aboutI would, I always tried to go for double. But if not that,
I just[Voices overlap]
GRINDER:
If you buy Glocks for, for how much?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I bought it for five[Voices overlap]
GRINDER:
Yeah, you bought itFor a G then.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I, I coming out here selling it for a thousand. Period, point blank. No

negotiation. [Voices overlap]
GRINDER:
Sure.
JAMINSON-Purry:
NoNo[Voices overlap]
GRINDER:
Did you ever take anything in, um, in return?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Uh, no, I dont smoke, I dont drink. Im not a drug dealer. Im not even
a gun dealer. [Voices overlap]
GRINDER:
What would you do with the cash?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Huh? I would pay bills, like peI have cousins. It was never to buy
anything. Like I have nothing to show for that shit.
GRINDER:
Sure.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Meaning like a car or none of that. It was
GRINDER:
Okay.
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Pay off debt. Pay this [U/I] bill. Buy these kids some clothes. Buy my
little guy some clothes. [Voices overlap]
GRINDER:
How would you get the mudthe money to buy them though?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Huh?
GRINDER:
How did you start out? How did you get the mo I mean[Voices
overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
I had
GRINDER:
Do you have a job?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I had a job.
GRINDER:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I had money stashed.
GRINDER:
How much money did you, did you have stashed?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Probably, from me working, honestly I probably had like thirty thousand

stashed.
GRINDER:
Thirty thousand?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I, I wouldnt really spend no money. I wouldnt really spend no money

from working, cause I dont have to pay bills or pay rent.
GRINDER:
Sure.
JAMINSON-Purry:
And like I[Voices overlap]
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GRINDER:
Wheres all that cash at now? Because if you doubled your money, fuck,
you have quite a bit of money then.
JAMINSON-Purry:
No cash left.
GRINDER:
You got no cash left. No safety deposit boxes?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No.
GRINDER:
Nothing like that? No cash at mamas or in both girlfriends house?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I dont, notheres, only thing at my moms house
GRINDER:
So if we brought you to the Salida house, youll give us, uh, consent to
go in there to search and therell be nothing in there?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I mean, you have to get that from my step-mom. Like you

know[Voices overlap]
GRINDER:
No, no, no; I dont need consent from, from your room. Im not talking
your stepmoms, Im talking yours.
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, I dont haveI just, no, I sleep on the couch.
GRINDER:
Oh, thatsnow youre lying to me. You just want me to get up and go?
[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, no, no, no; No, listen, no, call her and ask Jessica. I dont sleep in a
bed. [Voices overlap]
DIAZ:
[U/I] fucking your car?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Nothing in the car.
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DIAZ:
The Pontiac, the Bonneville?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Thats not mine. Thats my step-moms.
GRINDER:
Okay
JAMINSON-Purry:
Its in her name.
GRINDER:
Whats up with the Masons then?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Huh?
GRINDER:
Whats up with the Masons?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I was in the Masons.
GRINDER:
Okay, talk to me, brother. This is, this is the bigger picture that Im
talking about. Why you brought that up?
JAMINSON-Purry:
You said what?
GRINDER:
So now youre starting to fucking, woofucking brakes are on all of the

sudden.
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, because why would IIm a Mason, like[Voices overlap]
GRINDER:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
What is that gonna Thats to me
GRINDER:
How does it furtherto further you, what do you do with them?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I dont do nothing with them. My father was one, my grandfather was

one. Thats something that I just follow, like literally[Voices overlap]
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GRINDER:
What, what, what do you do?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I dont do nothing. I got, literally justmy parents dont[Voices

overlap]
GRINDER:
You just represent them. You got all this shit on your cars. The
stickers
JAMINSON-Purry:
I just[Voices overlap]
GRINDER:
The fucking hat you were wearing, the sweatshirt you were wearing. The
sticker you were wearing.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Im just representing. Thats, I just repre[Voices overlap]
GRINDER:
Why would you represent something you got nothing involved with?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Is not like it used to be when my father was a Mason, there is not no

meeting every Friday, you know what I'm saying? There is not no, there
are big conventions sometimes; literally is just a family trade thing, like
if my son, when my son, when I have a son Im gonna let him be a
Mason. Like literally Im gonna find a local chapter take him to it.
Hopefully if the chapters still around, use all the resources I have.
Salida, theres nothing there. I dont have no guns in Salida. The forty is
at my mothers house. The three-eighty is at Marias house in Las
Vegas.
GRINDER:
The keys that are on your, uh uh, key ring, what those go to?
JAMINSON-Purry:
That goes to the Nissan.
GRINDER:
No, no, no, no. Im not talking the car keys, brother; you know what Im
talking about.
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JAMINSON-Purry:
What
GRINDER:
What are those special keys on your key ring?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, key ring. Are you talking in, in my backpack?
GRINDER:
UhI dont know where the keys were found. I have no idea. You got
keys. I saw, saw keys with specialI saw the key ring with special keys
on there. Not the car key. What does it go[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, thats my
GRINDER:
Goes to[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Thats my P.O. Box.
GRINDER:
Wheres your P.O. Box.?
JAMINSON-Purry:
In Las Vegas.
GRINDER:
Okay, and whats in that?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Nothing is in there.
GRINDER:
Is just a mailbox?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Is just a mailbox.
GRINDER:
Theres two other keys on, and on, on there.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah.
GRINDER:
So where do does keys go to?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Those keys go to my aunty house.
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GRINDER:
Your auntys house?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes.
GRINDER:
Why you brought up that? Wheres, whats there?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Nothings there. I dont have a firearmLooking at you [U/I].
GRINDER:
Sure, I trust you.
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, no, I dont have no guns at nobodys house that will bring anything,
literally like if I tell you guys when they saidIf I call my
mom[Voices overlap]
DIAZ:
Listen, listen, stop!
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, Im trying
DIAZ:
Just for a minute. Those agents that went to Leroys house, they found a
bunch of boxes that you shipped
JAMINSON-Purry:
Uh-huh.
DIAZ:
The guns in, and Leroy says he knew what was in there. That heLeroy
says he knew there were guns in there. So thats different than what you
told us earlier, when you said Leroy didnt know anything. He just
signed for the boxes, had no idea what was in the boxes. So, do you
understand what were saying?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I understand.
GRINDER:
Youre minimizing yourself.
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DIAZ:
Youre lying. Leroy, Leroy did, did know there were guns in those boxes
that you shipped to him. Did he sell any of them for you?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No.
DIAZ:
Why, why are you, why are you covering that up? Why are you lying?
And said[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Im not
DIAZ:
He didnt have any idea [Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Im not lying.
DIAZ:
But he told our agents [U/I]. [Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
I double boxed everything. Everything you seen was double boxed. I

never thought I would be in this positionI never wanted to be in this
positon, do you understand? I have people Im living for. I dont want
nobody to get hurt. I bust my ass to get everything I ever hadworked
for. I wouldnt wanna bring nobody into anything. I did it for a profit.
The worse mistake of my life and now Im gonna face it. Which is [U/I].
[Voices overlap]
GRINDER:
[U/I] lying to us.
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, no, listen. Im not trying to lie. I hadLeroy have not sold one gun
for me. I double boxed everything. My misIm stupid as hell, but I did
what I needed to do to sustain everything I have going. Not, nothing
illegal, literally that other people that[Voices overlap]
GRINDER:
Nothing illegal?
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Other people thatno, not, not talking about that. Like weed. Not this
situation. This, this is it. My one mistake its, its [Stutters] gonna cost
me my life. Theres notheres a gun in my mothers house. Mom, can
you hand the agents the gun? Theres nothing in Salida. Theres
nothing, I have[Voices overlap]
GRINDER:
What? How are we gonna find these sixty guns?
JAMINSON-Purry:
ImI dont know where they at. I sold them, they went away. If
youOkay, okay, I can tell you this, if you catchif somebody has a
gun, right? If you catch them, they have a gun, you catch them and they
have a gun. On my soul, on the holy Bible, you could stick me in a room
or ask them, you get what Im saying?
GRINDER:
Okay, but [Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
If you get [U/I].
GRINDER:
But listen real quick, how would you get in contact with Pablo, with
Pablo then?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Literally, I was at the car wash. I knew he bought everything from the
club. Mexicans said, Hey, go here, Pablo will buy anything. Thats
how I got in contact with him. All these guns, yesthe only reason why
I did it, I didnt breathe into none of that shit. I dont care if he sends
these fucks to Mexico. Theres a profit for me. I can help myself. I can
help everybody I love. That was it. It wasnt to add to the murder rate. It
wasnt to add to nobody getting sacked.
GRINDER:
Then what do you think theyre doing with them? Fucking going to the
range?
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JAMINSON-Purry:
That
GRINDER:
Sweet Jesus
DIAZ:
So its okay for the guns to go to Mexico and people getting shot down
there in Mexico?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, its not okay with that. I did it for a pro, I did it for a profit, sir.
DIAZ:
Where are the other fifteen guns or so that you didnt sell to Pablo, but
you sold to other people at the Nacho spot. Where are those guns and
who did you sell those to?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Man, they probably can beI sold all three of them boxes to one person.
I sold all three of them boxes to one person.
DIAZ:
Who?
JAMINSON-Purry:
His name was Ramon.
DIAZ:
Let me guess, another Mexican.
JAMINSON-Purry:
No. Im notRamon is African-American.
DIAZ:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Ramon is African-American
DIAZ:
Is he in your phone?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, hes not in my phone.
DIAZ:
How do we get a hold of Ramon? How do we get those guns back from
Ramon?
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Ramon was on Seventy-sixth avenue at a house. He sell cars. On

Seventy-sixth, he got a car business. I sold them to him. I wasyou
know [sighs] Ive never beenIm trying to breathe. Im not[Voices
overlap]
GRINDER:
My fucking notebook is fucking locked up already. Im, Im gonna be

honest with you, I think this is just shit.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I soldIf I knew where the guns were I would tell you. You said I had
to help myself. I have to help myself. If I knew where the guns
was[Voices overlap]
GRINDER:
Well, yeah
[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
I would tell you. I dont know where they are, sir. If you buy them from
me, Im not thinking from B to C. Im thinking from A to B. I dont
know where the guns are, sir.
GRINDER:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I dont know where the gunsif I knew where the guns were I would
tell you, Man, shit, theyre probably here. You know what I'm saying?
Hey, he got them, [U/I] that. [Voices overlap]
GRINDER:
Sure.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I dont know where the guns at. Im at blant [PH] force honest. Ive
never been in this position. I wanna help myself. I dont wanna fucking
get intoIm in trouble. I dont wanna further this shit, like literally,
phone call, Mom, hand the agent the gun. [U/I][Voices overlap]
GRINDER:
Were, were besides those, those guns. I want all the other ones, man.
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DIAZ:
Yeah.
GRINDER:
I dontI mean, you know, I, I want all of them, I just dont want
fucking two. You know, the two youre talking about dont mean shit,
because no ones gonna get them. No ones have them. Nobody know
theyre there. So those two fucking guns that is bullshit. I want these
other fucking fifty eight that are out there. Dude, those two are fucking
bullshit. I mean, honestly, thats bullshit.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Okay, did somebody find a charger for my phone?
DIAZ:
Its charging right now.
GRINDER:
Its charging now.
DIAZ:
Yeah. Well go get it right now.
GRINDER:
All right? Give us a second, brother.
DIAZ:
Well get it right now and were gonna go get the phone [Voices
overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Uh, okay
DIAZ:
And youre gonna get us names.
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GRINDER:
Were just not ready to wrap it up, brother. And, and its gonna be done.
Youre gonna think about this day when youre in fucking prison
thinking, I shouldve said something. Cause everyone remembers this,
when is too late. Cause youhold on one second. Cause everyone has
this opportunity. Therell an opportunity for you to say something but by
the time you do, its gonna be a fucking year old. And all your
information is gonna be old. And its gonna mean nothing to us. So this
is the only time that you have. And no one believes me until is fucking
too late. This is your only time to help yourself out, to cooperate. Were
gonna go get your[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Can you get my phone?
GRINDER:
Were gonna go get your phone and, and this is it.
JAMINSON-Purry:
And
GRINDER:
Okay, and when we get back in here, this is gonna be your opportunity.
Okay? All right. [Door slams, voices in the background]
JAMINSON-Purry:
[Mumbles, voices in the background, rustling of clothes, door slams,

sighs]
[End of recording]
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RAC Ernesto DIAZ
TFO Wesley GRINDER
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NAME
MARTIN:
TRANSCRIPTION
[Indistinct voices heard in the background]
Hey, real quick man.
got my partners in Vegas gonna roll out to that address.
Is this the
same Maria?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah.
MARTIN:
Im not gonna let you read it but is that her[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Um can I just call her and let her know?
MARTIN:
No.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes.
MARTIN:
Uh whats it under? Just Maria?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes.
MARTIN:
Is she in Vegas right now or she out here?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Shes in Vegas.
MARTIN:
Okay. Okay. [Ringing heard in the background]
JAMINSON-Purry:
[U/I].
MARTIN:
Hey theyyou, you [Stutters] know the deal, man. You just gottayou
Were not gonna do that.
Uh is her number in here?
She lives there.
gotta be fuckingthis is you[Voices overlap]

JAMINSON-Purry:
I know [Voices overlap]
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MARTIN:
Theres nothing, theres nothing worse than for you to go get booked in,
sit in your cell tonight and go, fuck! IveI fucked up. This is like the
most important day of your life.
or not.
I dont know if hes emphasized that
The most important day of your life.
this is the test you want to As.

JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes, sir.
MARTIN:
You know?
If you were taking a test,
Does that make sense?
Uh Cause this, this [Stutters] is huge, man.
got a hundred guys waiting to roll.
You know?
Weve
Hey, lets go, lets
go talk to this guy, lets go to this address, lets go check this out.
Um thats how important it is, man.
So this is her?
Nine-oh-six?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes, sir.
MARTIN:
Okay, Im gonna have somebody call her and head over to that house.
All right?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Can I at least give my mom a call like, so I can[Voices overlap]
GRINDER:
No.
MARTIN:
Maybe later, maybe later.
GRINDER:
Because here, heres the deal.
Mm-mm.
Well see.
This happens all, all the time.
And I want you to know something.

ruined it for you.
Okay?
Okay?
Other people in your spot have
Because they make a phone call and say,
fucking, before we get the phone back they say, fucking, get out of
there!
It happens[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, I hear you, I hear you[Voices overlap]
GRINDER:
All the time.
It happens all the time.
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Well, can you call from my phone?
GRINDER:
WeOh, well call from your phone[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, no, no, no, no, Im asking. [Voices overlap]
GRINDER:
I have no problem with, with that. [Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
[Whispers] Ill be right back.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Im, Im asking.
me.
GRINDER:
Im asking.
[Addresses Martin] Before youexcuse
Hey, can you, can you[Voices overlap]
Hold on.
deal.
[Voices overlap]
If youre gonna in were gonna continue to talk.
Listen to me.
Hes the
MMr. Purry, Im gonna be honest with you.
Listen to me very carefully.
Okay?
I have zero fucking patience.
I [Stutters] just dont. And, and its a fault of mine.

been doing this job for too long.
Okay?
think you are lying to me.

a second.
I have no doubt you are.
Hold on a second.
play or go home now.

Youre not going home.
hereoh my God!
Ive
I get lied to every single day.
day, theres not a day that goes by that I get the [U/I] twice.
Every
Okay?
Listen.
This is serious business.
I,
Hold on
Brother, its
Brother, were in the playoffs, youre losing.

Youre lying to me.
This Agent that came in
You, you fucking lied to him! And why he even,
why he even talked to you is beyond me.
I will not be lied to; Ill just
walk up and go and, and [Stutters]I just dont have time for it.
So,
this is your last and final opportunity to be honest with us and give us
what you know cause Im leaving.
JAMINSON-Purry:
All right, well [Voices overlap]
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GRINDER:
Everyone is leaving.
And youre gonna go to jail, youre gonna have to
ride to Sacramento, half hour in the car, we book you in the Sacramento
jail, and its done; its over with.
As soon as you get booked, everyone
knows, your fucking gig is up, dont bother calling us cause were not
coming.
Period.
This is your last opportunity to give me what you have.

Fucking period.
No more bullshit, no more fuckingall this
other business that youve been giving this Agent.
No more! Either,
you tell us what you got or Im fucking leaving and the, the
[Stutters]brother, its done.
So either you wanna give us what you
have I will open my fucking notebook one more time.

one more opportunity; youve been nice to me.
Except for lying.
This is it.
Im giving you
You havent been rude.
Should I open up the notebook or should
I keep it closed?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Go ahead.
GRINDER:
Go ahead and do what?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Open it up.
GRINDER:
Okay, lets go.
JAMINSON-Purry:
[U/I] me, Ill call and[Voices overlap]
GRINDER:
Okay, this a new page or should I just start with this bullshit that you
Which one do you want me to do?
gave us?
DIAZ:
Heres a phone.
Lets go.
GRINDER:
Dont call no one.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Im not, Im gonna[Voices overlap]
Dont text no one.
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GRINDER:
Okay[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Call the people whose house you guys are gonna retrieve it from.
GRINDER:
No.
DIAZ:
No, thats all right.
Hes not gonna call.
those guns.
problem.
Wewere done.
We alreadywere getting
Theyre gonna call us when theyre there if theres any

What I want are names and numbers of people that youve
sold the guns to.

GRINDER:
No. [Voices overlap]
[Door closing heard in the background]
Okay, so are we gonna start over or are we continue again with this
bullshit.
Because Im done.
My patience are done.
how far that Ive gone in already.
You can tell
Do you wanna start or do you want
to fucking finish with, with [Stutters] what youve given us?

JAMINSON-Purry:
Go ahead.
DIAZ:
The battery life on this isnt very long so thats about all you get right
there.
GRINDER:
So lets fucking roll.
JAMINSON-Purry:
All right.
GRINDER:
So, lets start over.
Are we, are we starting over or are you gonna
continued lying to us?

JAMINSON-Purry:
[Sighs] Im going to jail anyway, right?
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Yes.
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GRINDER:
Brother, we dont have a choice?

yourself.
But, its what you wanna do to help
Brother, yeah youre to jail.
You have a federal arrest warrant.

federal.
now.
Theres no question about that.
Its not a county arrest warrant its a
We cant take you out of the system.
This is the big leagues
Delivering guns across state lines, this isnt a fucking
misdemeanor.
Okay?
Do you want us to start over or do not want to
start over.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Go ahead.
GRINDER:
What?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Can, can I call my father when we done?
GRINDER:
Yeah, I dont, I dont give a shit about that.

to us tough?
Are you gonna fucking lie
And it all depends if youre full of shit or not.
Im
gonna be honest with you.

JAMINSON-Purry:
No, man.
Pablosold it, did sold it to two different Pablos.
DIAZ:
Theres a Pablo in your phone.
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, thats a different Pablo.
Is that the same one?
But thats a Pablo Ive sold to him too.
dont have the other Pablo number.
The car washer is not bullshit.
The Pablo in my phone, yes, Ive sold to him.

DIAZ:
See all this time we wasted and hes been [Voices overlap]
GRINDER:
Brother, Im, Im done.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Im, Im[Voices overlap]
Fucking[Voices overlap]
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GRINDER:
My boss here has a fucking patience that I dont.

walk up and leave.
Im gonna fucking
Cause Im the one doing the fucking report.
Not
him.
DIAZ:
How many guns did you sell to this Pablo in your phone?
JAMINSON-Purry:
[Sighs] Im thinking.
GRINDER:
[Door slams in the background]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Probably about [Sounds of door closing heard in the background]
DIAZ:
Pablo.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes, sir.
DIAZ:
This is a Pablo youhow many guns have you sold to this Pablo?
GRINDER:
Lets go.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Probably I dont know how manywait, Im trying[Voices
All right.
Five, one, zero, five, nine, nine, six, three, three, three.
Lets roll.
overlap]
GRINDER:
Take a guess.
Fuck, if youre lower [U/I] a couple.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Probably twenty-four to thirty.
GRINDER:
Whats his story?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Huh?
GRINDER:
Whats his story?
Where did you, where did you meet him at?
Whats his name?
You said you do all fucking follow-up and you
And if[Voices overlap]
know more about him than this fucking Pablo, so lets roll.
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JAMINSON-Purry:
He just stays in the neighborhood.
Mexican, he Mexican too.
Stays
in the neighborhood and if I know him, pst, you guys gothe sold every
and one if I know him.
He even was selling his watch for five dollars.
[Voices overlap]
GRINDER:
Oh of course he would sell them! [Tap heard in the background]

Hes not gonna fucking hold on to them! Brother, this is the market.
Just like you did.
on.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Of, of course hes fucking sold them.
So lets get
Whats more about him?
He dont do shit.
So, he dont do nothing.
If he not at home heshe doesnt work.

drugs.
I know that much.
He at home all day too.

He donum, he dont sell
He just a body salesman.
DIAZ:
That doesnt help us.
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, thats[Voices overlap]
DIAZ:
That doesnt help us.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Thats the one I, I just told you.
Literally.
That[Voices overlap]
I just gave you his number.
What
more else would you[Voices overlap]

GRINDER:
Who else?
JAMINSON-Purry:
What more else would you like[Voices overlap]
GRINDER:
Who else[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
From Pablo?
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GRINDER:
If thats all you know about, I want everything.
If thats all you know
about Pablo hes a Mexican guy who lives in the fucking blocks.
Oh,
well thats [U/I].

JAMINSON-Purry:
He stays down the street from my mothers house.
DIAZ:
On Taylor?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, he stays on Warner.
I dont know his last name.
He stays down
the street.
GRINDER:
Describe it, describe his house.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Black gates.
GRINDER:
Theres a shit load of black gates in Oakland [PH] Im sure.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Listen, cop.
GRINDER:
Okay, youre looking at your parents house.
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, no, no, Im [Voices overlap]
GRINDER:
Give us directions from there.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Go down, make a right onto McArthur, make a left onI think thats
Itsgo down thats the street.
Warner.
GRINDER:
Okay, so you make a right on McArthur.
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Make a right on McArthur.
If youre in front of my parents house
looking at McArthur Boulevard AT&T [PH] you make a right, at the

stop light, at the stop sign thats Ted [PH] McArthur.
the first left.
Then you make
You dont go back to ninety-eighth from McArthur you
make the first left which would be right in front of the transmission
place.
way.
Transmission place is on McArthur.

He stays down the street.
Literally.
Gate street facing this

You go past the first
block theres another street, theres an intersection.
He stays on the
the second house on the right-hand side.

GRINDER:
All right, Im gonna probably pull up a map and well probably be able
to figure this out a little bit closer.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I dont livebut thats literally directions down and around.
GRINDER:
Well get a map and I will uh, show it to you.
DIAZ:
All right, lets go.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I saw [U/I] I saw the majority of them.
GRINDER:
Dont make a phone call.
Go through your phone; give us a fucking
phone number for the people that are in here.

JAMINSON-Purry:
I sawthat was pre[Whispers] Six, eight, one, four, nine, two, nine
[Sighs]
GRINDER:
Hal, H-a-l?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah, thats all, thats all I know him by.
GRINDER:
Hal, H-a-l.
Five, one, zero?
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes, sir.
GRINDER:
Six, eight, one, forty-nine, twenty-nine.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes, sir.
GRINDER:
Whats his story?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Hes black.
DIAZ:
Okay, how many did you sell to him?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I might need a [sic] accurate count but then I
GRINDER:
Hey, brother its[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, Im, Im[Voices overlap]
GRINDER:
If youre off a couple thats okay.
Black dude, white dude, Hispanic?
I mean, Im not, and Im not here to
be fucking get you on, and on numbers.
Take an estimated guess.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I say twenty-five.
GRINDER:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
If not, that I can leave out[Voices overlap]
GRINDER:
No, brother you[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Maximum thats
GRINDER:
Whats the max?
[U/I] is twenty-five how mahow many more and
higher than that.

JAMINSON-Purry:
It could be thirty, thirty-five.
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DIAZ:
Thirty to thirty-five.
JAMINSON-Purry:
So, that could be twenty-five[Voices overlap]
GRINDER:
So, twenty-five is thirty-five guns.
Lets just fucking call it that.
Okay, what gang is he with?

JAMINSON-Purry:
Didnt give no gang affiliation.
GRINDER:
Okay, what do think hes with?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Um he looks worse than me, like a normal person so I dont think hes
with nothing.
He metI dont know who he deal with.
Honestly,
like I came to Philly [PH] and[Voices overlap]

GRINDER:
What kind of car anddoes he drive?
JAMINSON-Purry:
He got a Dodge Charger, white.
DIAZ:
White Dodge Charger.
GRINDER:
You met him and the plate, did you do any research on this Cadillac like
you did the, the other ones?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Nah, he had dealer plates.
GRINDER:
Is it the heavy Charger or just the regular Charger?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Regular Charger.
GRINDER:
Huh?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Regular Charger.
Its not no heavy [PH] Charger.
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GRINDER:
Okay.
Whats his story?
You just fucking meet up with this cat too?
So, in thelet me go back[Voices overlap]

JAMINSON-Purry:
Uh
GRINDER:
Let me go back real quick.

sold?
How many guns do you havehave you
Its more than sixty.
So, lets take another stab in the dark.
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, Im[Voices overlap]
GRINDER:
No, and, and [Stutters] uhif youre off a few thats fine.
number.
How many you think that youve gotten?
Round
Cause I
dont[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
It would have to be likesee I dont know the exact hard number.
GRINDER:
Thats fine.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Few dollars [U/I] then like [U/I] but I[Voices overlap]
GRINDER:
Take an estimated guess for me.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Seventy.
GRINDER:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
But I dont know the concrete number.
GRINDER:
Okay, next guy.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Thats it.
GRINDER:
Youre fucking short by quite a few guns though.
[Laughing heard in the background]
Seventy-five, give or take, seventy.
Hey, want you to know[Voices overlap]

And you have
twenty-five here on uh[Voices overlap]
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JAMINSON-Purry:
That could be just[Voices overlap]
GRINDER:
On this other Pablo guy.
But yet theres another Pablo guy.
the other Pablo guy that you met?
Whats
How many guns did you[Voices
overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Thats the one at the car wash.
GRINDER:
Yeah, and how many days did you give that Pablo?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I had to sell him thirty minimum.
GRINDER:
Okay, so youre just off by about ninety guns then.

[Stutters] is fine.
Which, which
Im not jamming you on numbers.
Uh, we, we
wanna get all of them.

JAMINSON-Purry:
No, its[Voices overlap]
GRINDER:
Thats why Im asking.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Ah, I sell myself.

[PH].
Ive only operated in this network peter point blank
I met him through him.
It wasnt through him it was really like
a
GRINDER:
Whos neso whos the bigger guy here?
Is it this Pablo, the second
Pablo, or Hal?
JAMINSON-Purry:
This Pablo I cant pin point nothing on.
These two I got enough
information on all that they

GRINDER:
If I drive you by their house will you be show me where theyre at?
Where did you see this guy, Hal?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I went to his house.
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GRINDER:
Okay.
So, if we drive by his fucking house you can point it out to me?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I can pull a map up.
I canliterally, I gave you directions.
I gaveI
literally gave you the directions.

GRINDER:
Im gonna bring you back in our office.
JAMINSON-Purry:
How?
GRINDER:
Im, Im telling you.

Okay?
Dont do anything crazy.
Youre gonna lose.
I just, I warn everybody.
Im gonna take you back in the office.
pulled up.
from there.
Im gonna get my map
I want you to show us where its at and Im gonna do it

Youre gonna give us exactly where its at.
and Google maps is beautiful.
Google earth
You can pin point the house.
Right?
Okay, so Im gonna pull up your parents address which, which is what?

JAMINSON-Purry:
Two, four, six, six Taylor Avenue.
GRINDER:
Okay, youre gonna give us directions to this fucking other guy here.
Right?
Okay, whats the otheran area that I have to have up and pull
and get ready.

JAMINSON-Purry:
No, one is[Voices overlap]
GRINDER:
Right, but it, itsfor this Pablo.
JAMINSON-Purry:
He lives on a hundred eighty, fourteen.
GRINDER:
Hm?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Hundred and eighty, fourteen from the car wash.
GRINDER:
Okay, so thats his addit, it [Stutters]what address?
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Thats the car wash.
Thats the only place I dealt business with him.
GRINDER:
Okay, wheres the other guy you said theres some guns at?
by your parents house.
You said
This is the person.
JAMINSON-Purry:
This is this is the car wash.
GRINDER:
Im gonna pull up the map.
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, no, no, [U/I].
This is the car wash, this is the car wash, this is
down the street from my parents house and this...

GRINDER:
If I pull up the google map youll be able to, youll be able to give
directions.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah.
GRINDER:
Okay, thats what Im asking.
Whats the other one?
I look up for the, for the black dude.

pull
JAMINSON-Purry:
Where else can
Where can Iwhat address can I
[Voices overlap]
I met him [Tapping heard in the background] here on Warner street

every time.
I met him on the same street Pablo stays [PH] every time.
GRINDER:
But you said youve been to his house.
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, Pablo, Pa[Voices overlap]
GRINDER:
So you only know of one house.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Pablos house.
GRINDER:
Was the black dude with Pablo?
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JAMINSON-Purry:
No, he wasnt with Pablo.

out.
He came with somebody else.
Get what Im saying?
He cut him
He went around him to reach out to me.
I dont know if they was getting tired of doin business.

GRINDER:
Okay, so when I get the map pulled up.
Im gonna pull your parents
house first.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes, sir.
GRINDER:
And youre gonna be able to show us where one of the houses is at?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Right now, no.
When you pull my parents house from that same map
I can show you the car wash and I can show you this house.
GRINDER:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I never met at the house.
GRINDER:
You think Hal lives in the place that you met him at?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No.
GRINDER:
Right. But you know
JAMINSON-Purry:
Ive only met him on the same street Pablo stays on.
GRINDER:
Okay, so Im gonna pull up uh, the other map.
I never met him anywhere[Voices overlap]
Ive only met him on Warner.
exact address in a few seconds.
Were gonna get the
Ray [PH] you wanna stay or you
wanna come?
DIAZ:
No, Im gonna go.
GRINDER:
So, no more bull shit.
This is it, right?
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Thats it.
GRINDER:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I, I [Stutters] had a question but actually want to be finish.
GRINDER:
Hang on and well answer your question in a second.
[Voices heard in
the background] [Pause] Hey bro, Im not gonna hand-cuff you but can
you come here and show us on the map please?
uh glasses there?
Walk in there for me.
Wanna grab you, your
[Pause]
DIAZ:
Have a seat.
JAMINSON-Purry:
[Noises heard in the background] [Exhales] [Pause]
GRINDER:
[Voices heard in the background] All right.
DIAZ:
[Sighs] [Addresses Grinder] You got the phone?
GRINDER:
No, sorry.
DIAZ:
[Addresses Jaminson-Purry] Let me get your phone and uh, well go
Sorry, dude.
His phone?
through a couple more I know theres a couple more names in there of

people youve sold guns to and uh, well go through your phone one last
time.
Well get those names.
Well get more info on em.
um, the Agent Martin got some more questions.

be it.
GRINDER:
And then that should
[Door slams in the background]
All right bro, is there anything else that we can over before this other
guy gets in here.
wanna tell us now.
JAMINSON-Purry:
And then
That youIm not saying you forgotthat you

Cause thisbut this is it.
Nah [Mumbles].
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GRINDER:
Im, Im telling you right now.

now.
If theres a bigger picture tetell us
Cause yourebut youre gonna remember.
Im telling you,
youre gonna remember this day.

JAMINSON-Purry:
Will they get all my stuff?
GRINDER:
Get what stuff?
JAMINSON-Purry:
My folder, my wallet, and all that.
Wamy backpack, the car, where
will that go?

GRINDER:
Bro, your girlfriend has it.
We gave the car to her.
We, weI went
to her house.
JAMINSON-Purry:
You gave her my backpack?
GRINDER:
Whatever is inside the car.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah.
GRINDER:
Dude, I have nothing.
I, I didnt give anything.
whats ever inside the car.
I mean, I gave her
Thats what you told us to do.
JAMINSON-Purry:
That was in my backpack.
GRINDER:
This?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah.
GRINDER:
She didnt get that.
Obviously, cause we have it here.
in the background]
So is there anything else you want to give us?
Yeah, we, we got this.
[Door slams
Im telling you brother, I, I [Stutters] might as well be honest to you but

this is it.
You already, you already played, you played the game once
before so my patience level gets very thin.

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JAMINSON-Purry:
[Sighs] H Pablo [PH].
DIAZ:
That Ramon guy that lives off Seventy-sixth Avenue and sells cars.
The guy you said you sold three boxes of guns to?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Ramon?
DIAZ:
Yeah.
JAMINSON-Purry:
[U/I].
DIAZ:
Give me the better address off Seventy-sixth.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Its between Hillside andon McArthur Boulevard.
That guy[Voices overlap]
Whats the close street?

Im trying to
think of the address, Seventy-six, twocause I know exactly what I

sold him.
I know exactly to the T what I sold him.
I only sold him
three eighties.
DIAZ:
So, you only sold him between you sold three boxes of guns he
said[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Three eighties.
DIAZ:
Three eighties.
JAMINSON-Purry:
All three eighties.
DIAZ:
All right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I think its uh I wouldnt bet my life on it but I think its Seventy-six,
They were all three eighties?
And its Seventy-six between Hillside and McArthur?
twenty-four.
Thats where like Ill always meet him.
Its a blue
house.
DIAZ:
Seventy-six, twenty-four, thats the address?
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JAMINSON-Purry:
I think.
I always meet himI would never meet him in the house.
dont know if he stayed there cause I always just met him in front of the
house.
DIAZ:
Seventy-six, twenty-four on
JAMINSON-Purry:
Seventy-six Avenue between McArthur and Hillside.
GRINDER:
Blue house.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Um theres a house in the back.
GRINDER:
So, that house in the front is not his?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Its a yard.
GRINDER:
Oh, its [U/I].
JAMINSON-Purry:
Its, its a yard in front of the house.
DIAZ:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Saw this dude at the car wash but that was like saidI didntthere
Any iron gates?
Anything thats recognizable?
No, its like off the[Voices overlap]
All right.
Give us some other names out of that phone.
was no direct communication.

was no communication.
You know what Im saying?
We met him at a different car wash though.
But it was like, hey, I got something.

happened to be able to buy them.
GRINDER:
So you hustle him?
Literally,
You wanna buy em?
He just
[Voices overlap]
You just said you didnt hustle.
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JAMINSON-Purry:
He didntno, I was at the car wash.

money.
See me wave my pistol.
I was at the car wash.
He had
That was really howif you got
engage if you all see me, I wouldnt just talk to with anybody.
I dont know sir, you got, pst, you got some money?
Its like,
Thats what that
was. I[Voices overlap]

GRINDER:
So, you were wearing your security equipment.
Your vest your tag and
have a gun exposed and thats how you would generate conversation to
sell these guns?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Not really, notIm gonna say I wouldwith him, he came by a way of

him and I was [U/I] majority.
So, if Ilike Im trying to think of blue
cards I literally had, if I was [U/I] purchased they literally went tothe
majority there to Ramon.
I only sold him three eighties, like every
three eighty I had were the ones.
I sold him three eighties.
thats accounting for all the bulk.

pin point the interest on him.
[U/I] with it.
junk.
The other Pablo, why I couldnt
He just got thewhat I went for the
This Pablo, I already knew he was like EBay from the
over fist.
And that,
So, it really was like never hand
It was always up there at his house.
show up, you know what Im saying?

point, get what Im saying?
That whoever would
Like I I was out of it at that
I turnedI was done with it.
Literally, I
walk away theyd come[Voices overlap]

GRINDER:
How much wasdid you deal with all twenty-four guns at one time or
thirty-five guns at one time?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, no, no, it was in increments [PH].
GRINDER:
How didhow many?
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Like no, it was in increments, like, never like, uh fifteen, ten, you
know what Im saying?
It be like three, three, five, like something like
that.
GRINDER:
All right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
It never wasand thats how I came.
GRINDER:
And you doubled your price, right?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah.
DIAZ:
Who else?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Everybody else in the phone [Chuckles] is family.
GRINDER:
So, just these four, four, then four people have all your guns.
Always.
It was no profit no make sense just honestly.
In the phone?
them to, or approximately four.
Resold
With two Pablos, Hal, and a Ramon,
four.
DIAZ:
And a black guy that you sold out of your[Voices overlap]
GRINDER:
That you dont even know.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Hes actuallyyes, he at the [U/I] spot.
GRINDER:
So, you sold to five different people?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes.
DIAZ:
And that went up from when we first talked, to when we first talked to
[Voices overlap]
where you said you only sold to only one guy named Pablo.
So see
what were saying[Voices overlap]
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Im[Voices overlap]
DIAZ:
You wasted[Voices overlap]
GRINDER:
Fucking hours!
DIAZ:
Hours, hours, hours.
JAMINSON-Purry:
ImI apologize I aint even look at the time.

run down, thats the run down.
Thatsyou wanted the
Thats what profitits over for me.
Paying for it, they went for near.

GRINDER:
So, whatwould you ship every gun[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Huh?
GRINDER:
In the mail.
Would you ship every gun in the mail, would you drive
them?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, I never, neverIm not gonnano, everything went through the

mail.
GRINDER:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Every, everything[Voices overlap]
GRINDER:
Which address would you send them to?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Everything went through the mail to Leroy.
DIAZ:
So Leroy has nothinghe doesnt know nothing whats going on?
JAMINSON-Purry:
He, he[Voices overlap]
GRINDER:
Come, come, come on! [Voices overlap]
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DIAZ:
You never paid him thirty dollars for the box?
You never paid him
thirty dollars each box or weed [PH] or anything?

JAMINSON-Purry:
I told you, separately from what I was doing, separately from with that.
DIAZ:
Mm.
GRINDER:
Mr. Purry[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, no, no, listlisten, listen! [Voices overlap]
GRINDER:
Oh my God! Dude!
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, listen!
GRINDER:
We just wrap this up! Were done! [Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, listen!
DIAZ:
Uh
GRINDER:
It wasnt [U/I] like, uh, fifty.
DIAZ:
Yeah.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I know hes[Voices overlap]
DIAZ:
Too late!
GRINDER:
Oh, stop it! Stop!
JAMINSON-Purry:
I didnt give him no hundred dollars, like, can you just grab this box for
Wrong answer.
I didnt want to get him involved, sir.
me?
DIAZ:
Doesnt matter.
You paid him though, right?
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes.
GRINDER:
How much did you pay him?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Not that much.
Can I tell you, it wasnt a hundred [PH]. [Voices
overlap]
GRINDER:
Thousands?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Nah! Pst
GRINDER:
You would ship ninety or so guns to this guy and you wouldnt even
give him a couple hundred dollars?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I never[Voices overlap]
GRINDER:
Stop with that! [Loud noise in the background]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Ask him.
DIAZ:
Okay.
Promise.
Im gonna turn this off.
Before I turn it off, any other names in
here?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No.
DIAZ:
Anyone else you sold guns to?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No.
GRINDER:
All right.
DIAZ:
Yeap.
GRINDER:
Step in.
You wanna have the other Agent
[Noises heard in the background]
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JAMINSON-Purry:
That was it.
GRINDER:
[Sighs]
MARTIN:
All right.
I just wanna go over a few things.
I wanna go over the
money aspect.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes sir.
MARTIN:
All right?
Listen, I know youre out at Red Rock, I know youre at Sun
Set dropping large sums of money.

cash and stuff.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah.
MARTIN:
Pretty large.
Cash and stuff.
Bank in Stockton,
Right?
Whats, whats going on with the money?
are you getting the money?
Whatwhere
Some of it is obviously from buying or
selling some of the guns you bought, right?

JAMINSON-Purry:
Mhm.
MARTIN:
Is anybody giving you this money?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No.
MARTIN:
No?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I never food for thought [[PH]] thats like, I have money stash, Im the
type of person like, literally[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Whokay, where do you have banks, bank accounts at?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Chase.
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MARTIN:
Chase?
Where at?
JAMINSON-Purry:
City bank [PH].
DIAZ:
Is there a branch you work at?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No.
DIAZ:
No, no, no, no.
Work at?
I mean, like you, like Stockton, in which place in
Stockton [Noise in the background] throwing down large amounts of

cash.
JAMINSON-Purry:
[U/I].
DIAZ:
Like, when you are cashing stuff.

they be like, [U/I] like twenty Gs.
Like when you pull money out and

JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah.
DIAZ:
Fifteen Gs.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I never pulled out fifteen, twenty Gs.
DIAZ:
All right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
From my bank account.
MARTIN:
[Clears throat] Where do you bank at?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Chase.
MARTIN:
Chase?
JAMINSON-Purry:
City bank.
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MARTIN:
Okay.
How much money you got in the Chase account right now.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I have no idea.
MARTIN:
Really?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes.
MARTIN:
Come on!
JAMINSON-Purry:
Im serious.
MARTIN:
What about the City bank?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Same thing, less than a hundred dollars.
MARTIN:
So you got all this and you dont got any money left?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, sir.
MARTIN:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I have no money stashed.
MARTIN:
Okay.
Probably less than a hundred dollars.
No money tucked.
And where, and where would you do your banking in like
Stockton, in like the bank in Stockton.

JAMINSON-Purry:
What you say?
MARTIN:
In Stockton, where, where would you go when you did your banking?
Like if you pulled money, like out of your account or whatever.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I gave you[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
How did you, how did you[Voices overlap]
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JAMINSON-Purry:
If you look in the bank at Stockton that was me cashing checks.
MARTIN:
And where were these checks from?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I sold a car.
MARTIN:
You had sold cars?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes, I sold a car.
MARTIN:
It happened more than once.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes.
MARTIN:
So you sold more than one car?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes.
MARTIN:
[Noises and voices heard in the background]
Yes, sir.
And who was buying
these cars?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Uh different people [U/I].
DIAZ:
[Telephone conversation] You want me to ask?
MARTIN:
So, you would buy a car and then you would do what?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Sell it.
DIAZ:
Really quick.
MARTIN:
The
DIAZ:
Im sorry to interrupt.
[Voices overlap]
The, thethat guy, the Pablo, the house you
pointed out, what was the last time you sold him those guns?
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Probably last time I sold Pablo a gun was a month ago.
DIAZ:
A month ago?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah.
DIAZ:
How many?
In increment of how many?
You said you sold him
between twenty-four to thirty guns.

JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah, last time I, I only sold him one firearm.
DIAZ:
[U/I] gun. [Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Sold him one gun.
DIAZ:
About a month ago.
MARTIN:
[Sighs] All right.
DIAZ:
[On the phone Two conversations at the same time] Nobodys there,
Im gonna try to find something I did.
nobodys there to work it.
We tried.
Yeah, Robert just called, so
He might have through [U/I] P.D. on that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
MARTIN:
So, in July.
In July.
DIAZ:
[On the phone] Yeah.
MARTIN:
Fourteen thousand dollars in Modesto.
[Voices overlap]
DIAZ:
[On the phone] Okay, buddy.
Yeah.
MARTIN:
Whats that from?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Truck.
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Okay.
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MARTIN:
You sold a truck?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes.
MARTIN:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Trail Blazer.
MARTIN:
[Voices heard in the background] Uh so you go out to uh, uh, uh Red

Rock.
So, that was like July
Uh Red Rock.
What kind of truck?
Twenty-four thousand dollars?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Thats what I won.
I think I lostI think I won in that, yes.
MARTIN:
So, how much did you put down on the table to win twenty-four
thousand?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Probably like fifteen hundred, three thousand.
MARTIN:
So, you won that playing craps?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes, I only play craps.
MARTIN:
A good night.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Huh?
MARTIN:
Where was that one at?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I think that was Red Rock.
MARTIN:
Sun Set.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I think that was Red Rock, the second time.
MARTIN:
Okay.
Where was that one at?
Red Rock or Station?
Two separate nights.
And then uh ten thousand the next day?
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah, Red Rock.
MARTIN:
Thats Red Rock?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes, sir.
MARTIN:
Thats seven eighteen.
And then on the thirtieth, Modesto, nineteen
thousand dollars.
JAMINSON-Purry:
So[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Wheres that from?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Sold a car.
MARTIN:
What you sell?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Um Mercedes.
MARTIN:
Mercedes what?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Um Benz.
MARTIN:
[Chuckles] Come on now.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Uh, nah.
MARTIN:
What model?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Uh
MARTIN:
What year?
JAMINSON-Purry:
A Ca CLS.
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MARTIN:
A CLS?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes, sir.
MARTIN:
What about uh
Thats it.
Um, Im gonna show yousee you
bought thistheSeptember thirteen you bought two [U/I] arms.

JAMINSON-Purry:
Mhm.
MARTIN:
It wasnt that long ago.

eighties.
Those three eighties.
Those two, three,
Where do those go?
JAMINSON-Purry:
The [U/I] Arms?
MARTIN:
Yeah! The J.A. Three eighties.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah.
MARTIN:
You sold them through back page Vegas [PH]?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes, sir.
MARTIN:
To who?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Forget his name, showed me his I.D.
MARTIN:
Okay, were gonna go through all these fucking multiple cells because
Sold them through my back page in Vegas.
That was on the thirteen; I remember.
Showed me a C.C.W.
That was the last one I got get.
So you sold them to who?

JAMINSON-Purry:
Sold them on back page.
MARTIN:
To who?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Showed up.
Met him.
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MARTIN:
Where at?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Sun Set station. [U/I].
MARTIN:
What was he?
JAMINSON-Purry:
He was white, Caucasian.
MARTIN:
How much you sell them for?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Um I think I sold them for, four, four-twenty, if Im not mistaken.
MARTIN:
For both or for each?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Four twenty for both.
MARTIN:
You have any information for that guy?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No.
MARTIN:
Seeyou see?
Showed me his I.D.
Yeah.
C.C.W.
That was that.
Here, heres the problem man.
I mean, this is your
time to talk and you[Voices overlap]

JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah.
MARTIN:
And you just gave me another nameor another guy.
You know?
mean
JAMINSON-Purry:
[U/I]. [Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
I should start going down the list, man.

start popping up other guys names.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Cause I know youre gonna
Theres not other guys names.
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DIAZ:
Oh my God! You said that before.
MARTIN:
You said that when just started with Pablo.

with four more guys.
And then you come up
You see what Im saying?
All right.
Just out
of curiosity, how the hell did you get a C.C.W. in Vegas with the
fucking Oakland address?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Well, one time[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
I mean, that doesnt make any sense to me.

are obviously revoked.
By the way, your C.C.W.s
The Sherweve already talked to the Sheriff
or the Sheriffs people and theyrethats no longeryou know?

so you know.
DIAZ:
Uh. [Addresses Diaz]
No, no, all right.
Just
Sorry [U/I].
You just wasted a lot of our time.
I mean, its
shit[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Im not trying to waste your time.
[Voices overlap]
DIAZ:
You couldve told us from the very beginning.
Instead of trying to
pull it out of you.

JAMINSON-Purry:
I wasnt trying to pull it outI dont even
MARTIN:
Heres your list of all your guns, dude.

guns.
Right?
backwards.
Right?
Its a lot of freaking
Some of them popping up in traces.
Its, its probably when you last uh
So lets work
So then you
bought two Glocks on the thirty-first of August from Big Gun [PH] there
in Henderson.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Mhm.
MARTIN:
Glock twenty-nine, Glock twenty-three.
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JAMINSON-Purry:
I went to a box that was um, probably someone Pablo knew.
Pablo
location I gave you.

MARTIN:
You dont remember?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Nah
MARTIN:
I mean, freaking, that was like a month ago, dude.
See that?
You
bought those two from Big Gun.

JAMINSON-Purry:
Mhm.
MARTIN:
So we gotwe covered those, right?

about these two right here?
The two [U/I] Arms.
The twenty-nine and twenty-three?
you buy those in Vegas or was that at a gun show?

show purchase?
Yeah, I think, I think its a gun show purchase.
MARTIN:
And you dont remember who you sold those to?

That was like a month ago, dude.
Was that a gun
Im notI dont recall.

Come on, think!
That wasnt that long ago.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Im thinking, sir.
MARTIN:
So, you have forty calwhats a Glock twenty-nine?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Did
I can look it up but[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
caliber is that?
What
What iswhat
Is that like ten millimeter or what?
[Whispers] Glock, Glock twenty-nine is um is not a forty-five calI

think it is a ten millimeter.
MARTIN:
All right.
Lets move back then.
So then you bought from Bargain
Pawn in north Las Vegas you bought, one, two, three Springfields, two
Glocks.
Who bought those?
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Hal.
MARTIN:
Those went to Hal?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes.
MARTIN:
Uh lets see here.
So that would be eightholly crap! You
bought those same freaking day as you bought those other two Glocks.
All right.
So eight, thirty-one
All right.
And then on the
twenty-fourth you bought a Glock ten millimeter from Big Gun in

Henderson.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Single cell.
That one in a box.
Caliber ten millimeter.
Everything really wasnt a single sale.
was in a single sale they all went in the boxes.
Everything
Large majority of boxes
was purchased by Hal.

MARTIN:
No, I
JAMINSON-Purry:
Pablo, the last gun I sold him was the nine millimeter.
MARTIN:
Nine millimeter what?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Nine millimeter, I think it was a Glock twenty-six.
MARTIN:
So, you go back to that and then everybody elseso lets see here.
Im just trying to figure out ifI mean, itd be nice to know.
So,
Cause I
kind of know when you bought them.

JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah.
MARTIN:
It be nice to know.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Thats right here.
Id be like, hey, fucking Hals got these guns

Last ones Pablo bought the Glockthe nine
millimeter from me.

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MARTIN:
Which one is that?
[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
I dont, I dont know[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Show that, show that to me on this list.

a twenty-nine, thats not athats
Cause thats a nine, thats not

I dont[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
A twenty-three, a forty, twenty-nine, thatll be a ten millimeter.
MARTIN:
Yeah.
So you gotjust keep going up the list.
fortysee all those Glocks?

those go to?
Forty, forty,
Forty-five, forty, forty, forty, who did all
Springfield Armory, forty-five.
That was like August.
I mean, shit! This wasnt that long ago, man.
You should be able to
remember that.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Told you, all my guns, I didnt spread them out.

majority, right there.
They went to
Information I provided you guys.
Literally,
like[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Well, letscause I wasnt in here.
Who wouldve these went to?
JAMINSON-Purry:
It wouldve went to Pablo or it went to Hal.
I...
They both
buy[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
So, you spread[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
They both, they both buy boxes from me but not literally like, get what
Im saying?
You bring agent [PH] right here and you guys buy it,
when you come I dont even want to see him.
You know what Im
saying?
MARTIN:
When you comehey[Voices overlap]
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Okay.
MARTIN:
I got an important question for you.

me.
And, and Iits kind of baffling
So you gotyou know were gonna send people to Leroys
house, right?
The boxes are still there.
there if somebody bought those guns?
Why would the boxes still be

Wouldnt it make sense if I
come and be like, hey bro, six Glocks right here man.
Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
and leave?
JAMINSON-Purry:
All right.
Wouldnt I just pick that box up
Why would I have a box still there?
Thats a question you gotta ask him.
I dont know why the boxes are
still there.
MARTIN:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I cant begin to tell you why the boxes are still there.
MARTIN:
I mean, tell me why.
I mean, you were selling them, right?
Was he
selling them?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, he[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Was Leroy selling them?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Leroy never sold a firearm.
MARTIN:
Now why are the boxes still there?
Whyif you shipped him those
boxes from Vegas to Leroy and he shihe signs for the box.
knows whats in the box.
whats in there.
We already talked to him.
He
He knows
You show up from your trip from Vegas and youre
telling us earlier that you saying that you took those guns.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Everything I shipped him double boxed.
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MARTIN:
Right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
So they leftthey didnt leave literally with a Glock box [U/I] they
literally left with a box.
are still here.
His boxes hereI dont know why the boxes
They cant double box.
MARTIN:
Im just telling you uh[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, uh, but you saying thatthey cant double box.
Get what Im
saying?
MARTIN:
So, you took the inner, the inner box?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes.
MARTIN:
Why didnt you just take the whole damn box?
JAMINSON-Purry:
They got threw away.
Took the inner box.
take the inner box.
Literally, I came here took the inner box.
I took the inner box.
Literally.
I pick it up,
I didnt know there was no boxes still there.
dont knowcant tell you

MARTIN:
There are boxes.
Yeah, there are shipping boxes.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah.
MARTIN:
How often would you go to Leroys house?
I wouldnt even tell you why theyre still there.

I mean I mean, how
often were flying back and forth from Vegas?

man.
I mean, you can tell
You were [Shuffling of paper heard in the background]
you were on a spurt there for a while.
Lets see here.
July third, one, two, three, three guns, July third.

of started out here on the twenty-sixth.
Right?
Man,
Especially July.
But you really kind

See, the first one you
boughtthese are kind ofyou cant really go by that date because

thats somebody elseyou bought those from somebody else.
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Uh-huh.
MARTIN:
So, you bought Glock, two Springfield Armories, the end of June, right?
Right around time frame?
[PH], right?
Then you bought one, two, three, the Taurus
Four guns or three guns, July third, right?
three, private party.
One, two,
And then on the eleleventh you bought, one,
two three, four, three Glocks and a Springfield Armory.

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TRANSCRIPTION
MARTIN:
You remember where those guns went?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Uh
MARTIN:
Any of those guns?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Every single firearm on this list
MARTIN:
Mhm.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Got channeled through the heads of them.
The first ones?
Period.
So every single
gun[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
I know but[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
There, theres nothing
MARTIN:
But I gotta put, put these guns in their hands.
What Im saying is if
you, if you sold them you just didnt goyou sold them a box at a time.
You didnt sell them like, hey, Im gonna sell one to Hal, one to
Pablo[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah, I just pa[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
One to him.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Packed, packed the shit.
MARTIN:
So, thats what Im trying to figure out cause I need to know which of
[Voices overlap]
these guns are in Hals hands, I need to know which of these guns are in
Pablos hands.
You see what Im getting at?
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JAMINSON-Purry:
I I understand what youre getting at.
MARTIN:
Yeah.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I couldnt
MARTIN:
Cause I need to know which ones Im looking for.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Every gun on this list with the exception of two, which is not on
thiswell, one is on this list.
Is between those two people.
MARTIN:
Two?
Way more than two.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Pablo, the first Pablo who I cant give you information on.
If I could
provide that I would provide that.

MARTIN:
Yeah, I understand.
JAMINSON-Purry:
So thats why, thats why my high-low number with him off.
The
rest of them is channeled between with that Pablo and that Hal.
Now, I
dont know where they moved it to.
Thats, thats what Im talking
about[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
[U/I].
[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
I, Im breaking it down to everything.
MARTIN:
I understand that but what Im saying is when did you stop with one
Pablo and start with Hal and the other guy?
Thats where I need
you[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Can I have[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
To look at that.
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Can I have a pen?
Are you
MARTIN:
But thI dont want you to mark on my list, dude.
And you got the
dates over here too.

JAMINSON-Purry:
Nah, yeah, but that dontthe dates really dont concur to

nothing[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Well, it tells when like, the three guns were bought the same day.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah, but Im saying like, that dont concur to me moving them.
MARTIN:
So how, so how long would youso like if you if you bought guns in
Vegas and say you were out there for couple weeks would you just take
all those guns and ship them in like one box?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Mm.
MARTIN:
And you had six in this box, six in that box, five in that box
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah.
MARTIN:
Thats how you did it?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah.
[Whispers] [Sniffles] Four six, seven, eight, nine, tennine,
two
MARTIN:
Youre trying to get a count of all the guns?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No.
MARTIN:
Theres sixty-three guns.
[Voices overlap]
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Um, no, no.

which.
Im breaking them down.
Trying to pencil which is
Thats what you guys ask me to do, right?
MARTIN:
Right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Im breaking it down literally, so I couldthisthen when it left me

right here from point A to point B [Loud noise heard in the
background]
Thats where it left me.
MARTIN:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Thats why Im not trying to count the guns Im looking at the caliber
MARTIN:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
And then Im breaking down so when I
MARTIN:
Maybe I can get a highlighter from one of those guys out there.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Nah, I, I dont need like that[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
I just dont want you guessing.
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, no, Im not, thats why, thats why Im going through each one right
now.
Its not a guess.
I mean[Voices overlap]
[Brief pause]
The first all those two,
twenty-sevenall those.
MARTIN:
Yeah.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Went to first Pablo up until the on the twenty-first.
MARTIN:
Okay.
Let me, let me see that.
To right here?
Up to the twenty-first
or including[Voices overlap]
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah, cause the next day isright, right there.
MARTIN:
To right here?
JAMINSON-Purry:
And at that forty-five.
MARTIN:
So to right here[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Right there, yeah
MARTIN:
So youre, youre saying all these
JAMINSON-Purry:
All them went to the original Pablo who I couldntI tried to get more
information on.
MARTIN:
So, Mercedes Pablo?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes, Mercedes Pablo.
A hundred and [U/I] fourteenth Pablo.
Car
wash Pablo.
MARTIN:
All right.
Okay.
And then he disappeared.
You said.
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, I I went to the car wash last like August fifteenth.

that that time, it was like in the middle of the month.
see the dude.
Period point blank.
I didnt see him.
drive by from time to time just to go over down there.
Around
And I didnt
And I would just
Hoping
[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
When you pulled in did you like, get a wash or you just[Voices
overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah, I got the car washed.
MARTIN:
Oh, then you never sawokay.
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JAMINSON-Purry:
I pulled in and got the car washed.

nod.
It wasnt no in the car doing head
I literally, pulled in and get the car washed.
wouldve gotten a burrito.
Sometime I
Sometime
MARTIN:
Now, were you, were you [Stutters] loaded at the time?
JAMINSON-Purry:
You said what?
MARTIN:
Did you have your box with you?
JAMINSON-Purry:
When I was looking for him[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Box in the trunk?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, not the[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Like, when you would go by would you[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Not the last, not the last three times, no, he had nothing.
what the hell?
Did you have your fucking...
I was like,
That was my expression [PH], what the hell?
Okay,
this is [Papers shuffling in the background]

MARTIN:
[Addresses Diaz] I need you to call Tim as soon as we get going.

whats going on out there.
[Addresses Jamison-Purry]
See
Yeah, were
you mixing matching like, one box would go to Hal and then another
one would go to Pablo or
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah, but see[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
You brought up another name.
DIAZ:
Ramon.
MARTIN:
Ramon.
What was it?
Where would Ramon fall on that list?
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JAMINSON-Purry:
He got theI dont even see.
He got the three eighties.
Except for
these last two.

MARTIN:
Mhm.
JAMINSON-Purry:
He got three eighties.
MARTIN:
Did he order those up?
Said, hey, man.
Im looking for three
eighties.
JAMINSON-Purry:
No.
MARTIN:
Why three eighties?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I guess I figured, you like, if I ask for a three eighty or something, R-22.
MARTIN:
Yeah.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Not even asking if somebody had it cause thats something you would
Thats kind of a low [U/I] guy.
give you wife or[Voices overlap]

MARTIN:
Yeah.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Somebody for personal [PH] protection not for defense protection.
Not
at all.
MARTIN:
Kind of running out of time here, man.
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, Im, IIm, Im [Whispers]
MARTIN:
I dont know what caliber.
Its
dont say which one.
All right, this nine, this nine right here was the
last gun I sold Pablo.
Had to be.
Where at?
Pablo who?
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JAMINSON-Purry:
The[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Pablo two.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah, Pablo number two.
MARTIN:
[Chuckles] Come on.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Not, not this Pablo.
MARTIN:
Right here.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah. .
MARTIN:
So, all these are Pablo two?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, these would be Hals.
MARTIN:
These are [U/I] up here is Hal?
JAMINSON-Purry:
These would probably be Hals.
This lastright there?
Cause Pablo bought in spurts, like I
said, people wouldI would walk away whenleaving my business.

Cause I know none of them bought them they just [U/I] put in they
self to have them.
two, three.
I know that much.
[Whispers] Lets see one,
[U/I] one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine.
Okay, thats nine.
One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine
MARTIN:
You gotta look at the dates too.
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, I see, I see the dates.
I see them right there.
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MARTIN:
Did you keep any records or any books?
Any like, note pad.
I mean,
how the hellI mean, I know you knew youre doubling money up.
How did you keep track of, hey, I gotta take these much money back
up to Vegas when I go back out there so I can pick up what I see.
looks like you bought up whatever Glock you could find.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes, sir.
MARTIN:
If you could find a Glock you, you bought it.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes, sir.
MARTIN:
What you got there?
It
Is that true?
Yes.
I wanna see what you write so I can interpret
what youre
JAMINSON-Purry:
Im showing you what went[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Oh, Pablo two and then those are Hal?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah
MARTIN:
Hey, just so you know this, this list thing, like
JAMINSON-Purry:
Uh-huh.
MARTIN:
Everything, this is what I could find in a short period.

a list together just from what I saw.
popping up that I havent pinged yet.
I could try to put
I know theres gonna more

[Voices heard in the background]
Why do you say that those arewhat did, what did say that guys name?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Ramon.
MARTIN:
Ramon.
Why do say that those went to him?
Cause of the three
eighties?
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Three fifty-sevens.
MARTIN:
Oh, three fifty-sevens.
JAMINSON-Purry:
No.
MARTIN:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
It was always and[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
And what you got?
JAMINSON-Purry:
And it was always I know that Im gonna make money.
MARTIN:
Yeah.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Period.
MARTIN:
Cause if Im buying those I aint buying no three fifty-seven sig the
Did he ask for those or did[Voices overlap]
It was never no special request.
What you got?
That was it.
ammo is expensive as hell.
I mean and obviously you think these
guys are flipping those guns, right?

JAMINSON-Purry:
Me being as upfront, honest with yall is possibly, I know, I know they

didnt keep it; I know they didnt keep it.
Period.
[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
How long, how long do you think they keep these guns?
JAMINSON-Purry:
[Exhales] I canthats like me giving you a guess.
I wouldnt know
but I know[Voices overlap]

MARTIN:
I mean, you, youI mean, youre talking to people you be

likeespecially like dope game, gun game, you know, hey, man you
gotta leave me room cause Im flipping this thing, man.
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Nah, they dont say it.
It was just literally, they pay for play.
was notI never got into a negotiating factor.
It
Cause if used in
business when you negotiate that defeat the purpose.
Even if you can
negotiate to what you originally wanted its like if I come to you for
something[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Yeah, but even in small talk though, I mean, like, yeah man, I got a guy
on the line.
mean?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I know he wants this one already. Or you know what I
I know those conversation are going on, right?
Nah, I just know them from what I seen.
Literally.
Like
Iliterally, cause I went by from Pablo number two which isit

wasnt coming from him.
iPad or something.
Like, if somebody had, if somebody had a
that my daughter can have.
Something literally
Or somebody has some Dre, if you have
some Beats by Dre headphones

MARTIN:
Mhm.
JAMINSON-Purry:
That was in a box or something.
Like, if
you had that

MARTIN:
Yeah.
JAMINSON-Purry:
If it was in a box then I could buy that daughter.

pay a hundred dollars for it.
I know they cost [U/I] but hed reach out
to me and charge me one-eighty.

what Im saying?
He would probably
I still save them money though.
Get
Like it was literallyespecially with him[Voices
overlap]
MARTIN:
Go ahead and finish this cause I got some more questions for you.
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JAMINSON-Purry:
MARTIN:
[Addresses Diaz] Did you guys count?
DIAZ:
Mm-mm.
MARTIN:
We havent counted yet.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Thats the count, nine, ten, eleven.
Hal, Hal, Hal, Ramon, see cause I
know its not[Voices overlap]

MARTIN:
So, youve only sold two guns to Pablo?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No.
MARTIN:
To the second Pablo?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No.
MARTIN:
This isnt the second Pablo?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes, other stuff its
MARTIN:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Not its not here.
MARTIN:
Oh, you think theres more on the list that you didnt sell?
Second Pablo?
Like, its not, its other stuff[Voices overlap]
I know that.
Its not here.

Or, you
think theres more out there that my list dont have?

JAMINSON-Purry:
No, cause there at three eighties, your list dont have the three eighties.
MARTIN:
[Addresses Diaz] Okay, yeah, yeah, thats what, what he said.
DIAZ:
So
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Your, your list dont have the three eighties.
MARTIN:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
From uh
MARTIN:
Priprivate sales or what?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Um gun show.
MARTIN:
Gun show?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes, sir.
MARTIN:
Walking around?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Nah, walking around and they were cheap.
MARTIN:
All right.
DIAZ:
Where was it [U/I]? [Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
You said you gotta smoke [PH]?
JAMINSON-Purry:
House Smoke [PH].
MARTIN:
What the hell you got that for?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Huh?
MARTIN:
What you got that for?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I had that cause I used to do weed transportation around.
DIAZ:
Let me ask.
Where did you get those three eighties?
Did you buyyou just buy em?
I gotta hit you with this though.
I gotta ask this real quick.
Wheres that Smith & Wesson [PH] at your moms house?
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Its at the house.
DIAZ:
Where?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Uh wherever my step-dad put it.
In the house?
Its probably in a safe in the
clo[Voices overlap]
DIAZ:
[On the phone] He says uh[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
All right, [U/I] here?
DIAZ:
[On the phone] Uh, he says, he thinks the step-dad put in a safe or in the
closet.
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, its in[Voices overlap]
DIAZ:
[On the phone] Or its in the[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Its, its [Stutters] either in the little lock safe or its in the holster.
DIAZ:
[On the phone] Its either in the lock safe[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
My, my mom wouldnt know where its at but its gotta be[Voices
overlap]
DIAZ:
[On the phone] He says his mom wouldnt know where its at.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Its notits probably in the closet.
DIAZ:
[On the phone] In the closet up top.
JAMINSON-Purry:
So just tell her to go look.
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DIAZ:
[On the phone] Okay.

They got it.
All right.
Thanks.
Yeah, bye.
All right.
[Addresses Jaminson-Purry] Apparently, they couldnt
find it or maybe your mom didnt know where it was at.

JAMINSON-Purry:
She dont know.
MARTIN:
So, you said you used to transport?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Peoplewe used to get contracted some times by Kenners [PH] Clubs.

You know.
MARTIN:
To transport weed?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Not me personally.
But you know, when they were like, going to sell it
to
MARTIN:
Yeah.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Other dispensaries.
MARTIN:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I would just ride with them.
MARTIN:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah, like it is notI know[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Okay, I have a silly question for you.
Okay, like security.
Huh?
Why do you have the air
fresheners in your fucking trunk?

JAMINSON-Purry:
You said what?
MARTIN:
[Chuckles] Okay.
It leaks water.
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JAMINSON-Purry:
You know?
Its too[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
I just thought it was funny.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Nah, its[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
I was like, ah
DIAZ:
Are we missing something?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Nah, its a puddle here and its a puddle here.

the seams of the trunk.
When I saw that[Voices overlap]
It comes strictly through
Its not insulated.
MARTIN:
Is this Cali life, Vegas life?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Nah, its two different wallets.
MARTIN:
Yeah?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Nah, cause some cards
MARTIN:
Yeah
JAMINSON-Purry:
Is California not Vegas.
MARTIN:
Yeah
JAMINSON-Purry:
Oh, no.
MARTIN:
Vegas
JAMINSON-Purry:
My normal stuff in there.
Is that what that is?
Cali life, Vegas life, right?
Yeah.
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MARTIN:
Yeah?
You got your C.C.W.
Got your Nevada [PH] I.D. which is
bogus.
Cause that address is bull shit.
Right?
Thats your
Stephanie address, your, your UPS box.

JAMINSON-Purry:
Mhm.
MARTIN:
Right.
Why didnt you just use your normal address?
you use your girlfriends house?

way.
Why didnt
You didnt want herhey, by the
She knew what was going on.
Right?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Well I tried[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
She knew what wasI mean, she drove[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
I tried yeah I tried, I tried not to yeah [Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Okay.
I already talked to her.
ship those out.

JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah.
MARTIN:
To my boys.
I know that.
She drove you to the UPS stores to

Ive been talking[Voices overlap]
[Voices overlap]
Right?
So, she knew what was going on.
Right?
She
knew you were shipping guns, right?

JAMINSON-Purry:
She probably didnt tell meI didnt tell her.
But you know
Like,
literally how we had a conversation but read between the lines[Voices

overlap]
MARTIN:
I mean[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
I guess she knew, sir.
Not like, she knew what I was doing.
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MARTIN:
I mean, I know shes your girlfriend and all that.

seems like she got her life pretty squared away.
about to fuck that up.
And I know she

And I know youre not
Im not about to go after her.
you were shipping guns.
But she knew
I mean come on, you, you said, hey, give me
a ride over to the UPS store or postal office and drop these off.
even said, hey, I I dropped him off so many times.
[U/I] again, right?
She needs her
Cause Im sure sheshow do you date someone
and dont say, hey, what are you mailing out?

what you doing?
She
You know?
She knew where they were going.
What you,
Right?
[Voices
in the background]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Me looking at you mouth-to-mouth
MARTIN:
Yeah.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I never said nothing.

Im saying?
Ive neverIm taking these things.
Get what
It was already shipped, she was just taking me to the post
office.
MARTIN:
To ship them.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah, but see, nobut she didnt know.

the boxes.
Get what Im saying?
I never told her what was in
Im [U/I] like [U/I] Im, Im telling
you, I try to disinvolve [sic] anybody as much as I can.

[U/I] on the [U/I] of these guns.
It was already shipped.
I never went
She just took
me to the post office.

MARTIN:
What do you mean it was already shipped?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No.
MARTIN:
Yeah.
She just took me to the post office.
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JAMINSON-Purry:
I never sat there in front of her and packaged anything.
MARTIN:
I saw you at the post office on the video taking boxes up.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Not in front of her.
MARTIN:
Right.
right.
Okay.
Oh
I know you probably already had it in the box.

I think were done.
All
Let me, let me ask you thislet me
wait till he gets off the phone.

DIAZ:
Hal and those guys, uh, Pablo, the other house up Warner.
gonna get those guns back from those guys.
house.
Any problem with those guys?
Were
If they still got them at the
Gang bangers?
Uh[Voices
overlap]
MARTIN:
Who they roll with[Voices overlap]
DIAZ:
Felons. Cause remember, if any of our people get hurt trying to get
those guns its gonna be on you.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I dneither one of them[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
[U/I] was?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Theyre not gang affiliated.
You see what Im saying?
couldntif you asked me who Id roll with.
Like, I
I dont roll with
anybody.
MARTIN:
Yeah, I know that.
DIAZ:
Whats theirwhats the deal with them?
JAMINSON-Purry:
They bothto me, theyre bothdont do nothing.
There is no deal.
Like literally, there is no deal.

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MARTIN:
Uh
DIAZ:
They just buy off of you then?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah.
DIAZ:
All right.
Im telling you.
Turn around and making money.
If any of our people get hurt when they go
to try to get those guns its gonna come on you.

JAMINSON-Purry:
Thats fine but I[Voices overlap]
DIAZ:
All right?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I dont have a deal on them.

up, they put up a fight.
Like theyre gang affiliated, theyre linked
I dont[Voices overlap]
DIAZ:
Thats[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Get into that.
Check the drivers
license.
DIAZ:
[On the phone] Ill call you in a bit.

thank, Dale.
Bye.
Were almost done.
All right,
[Addresses Jaminson-Purry] You gotta understand
that youre [U/I] trying to get these guns back. All right? Thats why.
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MARTIN:
Yeah. Somebody could get shot with one of those guns.
You know?
And, and just so you know there are several of these gunsI think two
in Oakland [PH] popped up separate occasions.
shooting.
Just so you know.
Another one popped up in San [U/I],
popped up, gang members car.

guns.
You know?
popping up.
One of those was a
So, all these foolsyou know all these
All these guns.
Theyre popping up, theyre
I mean, they donttheyre gonna continue, man.
Cause theyre alltheyre all on a back, uhdatabase now, so every

time one pop up Im gonna [U/I] you know, hey
All these guns
popped up.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes, sir.
MARTIN:
And, and those are all falling back on you.

number guns.
You know?
I mean, theyre all serial
Um well, were done for the day.
cant think of anything else to ask.
So allwhen you shipped out
which uh other post offices did you use?

Valverde [PH]. Whats the other one?
I know you used one of
You said you shipped about
ten boxes, right?

JAMINSON-Purry:
I shipped from one by Red Rock.
MARTIN:
One by Red Rock.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Henderson.
MARTIN:
Yeah.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Mostly was um, Henderson.
MARTIN:
Mostly Henderson?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Uh
And I think the one on Tropicana was mostly was
Thats Valverde, right?
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MARTIN:
I think thats what they call the post office.

boxes total?
them?
And you said about ten
How many guns do you think that was?
Is that all of
All of them[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah, cause not[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
All of them[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Nothing else.
MARTIN:
You didnt want toyou didnt want to drive down here?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Um, no.
MARTIN:
Now, all those boxeswhen you shipped the guns, say you had a Glock
Yeah.
Thats definitely without the question.
twenty-three.
That obviously had a magazine in it, right?
Did you
ship the mags, the ammo, and alleven if there was ammo in the mags
or anyso you bought a private sale?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No.
MARTIN:
Anything else you ship in those boxes?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No.
MARTIN:
Ammunition or anything like that?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I never[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Cause I think that one in Oakland that got recovered it had, had some
stuff in there.
JAMINSON-Purry:
That was probably the only box that had actual range rounds inyes.
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MARTIN:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Nothing else came.
MARTIN:
And those mags were like what, thirteen, fifteen round mags?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Whatever[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Whatever[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Whatever standard magazine was.
MARTIN:
Okay.
All right.
Ammo and none of that.
All right.
No.
HeI do appreciate you talking to us.
I know you kind of bull shitted us at first.

I do appreciate you talking to us.
Trying to minimalize stuff.
I am going to talk to the prosecutor.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I understand.
MARTIN:
I want you to continueyoure gonna get assigned an attorney.
Youll
probably gonna get flown to Vegas by the Marshalls service to face the
judge out there.
Youll do an initial out here though.
the judge youll initialyoull interview with pre-trial.

assigned an attorney.
Youll probably get a temporary one out
Youll get one out there in Vegas.
financially able to afford an attorney.

public defender.
Theyre pretty good.
continue to cooperate, you know?

can help you.
Youll get
Uh, my advice to you is to cooperate with
whoever your attorney is.

here.
So youll go to
They determine if youre
More than likely youll have a

Listen to your attorney but
If you can think of more things that
The key, the key, key, key is recovering these guns.
That will go [PH] well for you in front of the judge and with my
prosecutor.
slack.
Theyll be a hell of a lot more likely to cut you some
Does that make sense?
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes, sir.
MARTIN:
All right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Can I call my parents and everybody?
You got any questions for us?
that facility [PH]?

DIAZ:
Can I at least have a conversation with them?
Once you get booked in a cell County jail you can make calls out of
there.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Can I at least call them from
Right.
So, thereso I cant call nobody right now?
Thats against theI just
want to call everybody[Voices overlap]

MARTIN:
[Addresses Diaz] Theyre at the moms house right now, right?
DIAZ:
Yeah, yeah, [U/I].
MARTIN:
Do you mind if he calls his mom?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I, I just want to call my mom, my, my step-mom, and my girlfriend.
DIAZ:
No, youre not gonna call everyone.
MARTIN:
No[Voices overlap]
DIAZ:
All right?
MARTIN:
No, no, you get one phone call.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah.
MARTIN:
Is that enough?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Whats[Voices overlap]
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You can call mom.
Is that okay?
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MARTIN:
And youre gonna call with us right here.

conversation.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Its gonna be just a quick
You cant talk long.
Can I call my step-mom too then?
Get like a minute a piece?
Shes
the one thats [U/I].

MARTIN:
I think mom[Voices overlap]
DIAZ:
No, no, no, no. [Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
I think[Voices overlap]
DIAZ:
Getjust callyoure moms the only one.

calls as you want from the jail.
you make this call.
helpful.
All right?
Okay?
You can make as many
We dont even have to letlet
But were doing it because youve uh, youve been

And your mom probably deserve to know whats
going on.
MARTIN:
Yeah.
DIAZ:
You owe her that.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Will she be able to get my stuff?
MARTIN:
What stuff?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Folder and everything.
MARTIN:
This is gonna bewere taking this so I was gonna ask you about some
of that, the shipping labels and stuff like that.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I need my[Voices overlap]
DIAZ:
We left him a list, um
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MARTIN:
[Addresses Diaz] What do you want to do with the money?
We can
probably[Voices overlap]
DIAZ:
Uh, Ill have to see if the Marshalls can book it if not we can, we can
turn over uh especially the other stuff.
MARTIN:
[Addresses Jaminson-Purry] At the end of the [U/I].
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah, I justif you can, I just Can you just give that stuff to my
mom?
Yeah.
This is
DIAZ:
Well, were not gonna go all the way to Oakland to give her that.
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, I dontIm saying like, my step-mom can come pick
DIAZ:
Yeah. [Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Yeah, she chose it as initial.
JAMINSON-Purry:
My step-mom could come like, the stuff in here.
Well have uh
I can show you its
what I need her to get certain stuff to certain people.

DIAZ:
Well, call your mom.
Dont worry wellonceif we determine to
turn property over to her well do that.
Okay?
MARTIN:
[Whispers] Those will probably stay here [U/I] other [U/I].
DIAZ:
That way if we need to release them we can cut it loose.
MARTIN:
Yeah.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Theyre at my moms house now?
MARTIN:
Yeap.
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Literally?
186
DIAZ:
Yeah.
MARTIN:
Yeap.
DIAZ:
Theres no better time to call but now.
JAMINSON-Purry:
[Dial tone heard in the background]
MARTIN:
Just go ahead and put her on speaker.
JAMINSON-Purry:
[Static] Hey, mom.
Mom! Mom! Mom! Hey, can I stay here so I
can get toback to the proper people?

MARTIN:
Can you what?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I said, that stuff can it stay here so it can get like, back[Voices
overlap]
DIAZ:
Yeah, thats gonna stay in my office here in Stockton.
All right?
And
when we determine we dont needfor the case against you well

release to someone that, that you want to get turned over to.
Okay?
But were not gonna let you pick and choose what gets released.
We
make that clear[Voices overlap]

JAMINSON-Purry:
No, Ill[U/I] just know.
I was just gonna
[Dial tone heard in the
background]
MARTIN:
Some of this can be used as evidence.
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, I waslet me just like [Telephone conversation] Hey, mom!
U/F:
What?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I love you.
Ill, Ill talk to you later.
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Like[Voices overlap]
Tell my dad I called.
187
U/F:
Tell your dad you called?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah.
U/F:
Uh?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Cant talk about it right now ma.
MARTIN:
Just tell her youve been arrested.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I love you.
U/F:
All right.
DIAZ:
[Addresses Martin]
MARTIN:
Oh well [PH]
DIAZ:
If we get it we can uhwe canyou know?
I, I love you.
Ill talk to you whenever I can.
Whats going on?

Itd be great if we get a photo.
At this point whatever
stuff we get we can meetwe can show it to him.

MARTIN:
Okay.
DIAZ:
So all right.
MARTIN:
[Exhales] All right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Can we go through that?
DIAZ:
[Addresses Jaminson-Purry] Whats that?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I said, can we go through that?
MARTIN:
[Addresses Jaminson-Purry] Oh, did you want to go through this other
So
stuff in here?
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah, cause I want to.
MARTIN:
Well, the thing I was curious about was some of these I.D.s.
Whats up
with some of these females I.D.s in here?

JAMINSON-Purry:
Who?
Thats my girlfriend.
MARTIN:
Is that uh
JAMINSON-Purry:
Maria.
MARTIN:
Thats Maria?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes.
MARTIN:
Is that in her name?
DIAZ:
Hey, just
JAMINSON-Purry:
Uh, no.
DIAZ:
Let us go through it and sit back, sit back and just relax.
MARTIN:
Whats this for?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Huh?
MARTIN:
Whats that all about?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Thats my god-daughters social.
My god-sons social in here.
God-daughter, god-son, I need that to get to my mom.

MARTIN:
What is this for?
JAMINSON-Purry:
I just got a passport picture.
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MARTIN:
Yeah?
Whore you making I.D. for?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Im not making I.D.
MARTIN:
For?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Im about to send it off somewhere.
MARTIN:
Okay.
I just got a passport picture.
These right here.
Its not for an I.D.
These uh express mail labels.
These are
the ones.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Literally thats not for that.
MARTIN:
Shoes?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes, sir.
MARTIN:
What kind of shoes.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Tennis shoes.
MARTIN:
Oh, like Nikes or what?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Jordans [U/I].
MARTIN:
All right.
Thats for when I ship shoes.
So
Well, wellIm gonna see if any of these uh, are in line
with some of the ones you shipped out already.

JAMINSON-Purry:
None of them.
Theyre just labels I had for shipping shoes.
MARTIN:
I guess what documents[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
All thats Marias [PH].
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190
MARTIN:
Why you have all this stuff in her car.
Does she, sheI know shes
from California originally, right?

JAMINSON-Purry:
I have allthats
MARTIN:
How did you meet her?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Thats my girlfriend.
MARTIN:
Yeah?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes.
MARTIN:
Oh, so she just moved out to Vegas or what?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah, shes been out to Vegas.
But thats all her stuff.
Thats all her
stuff.
MARTIN:
This Cadillac DTS.
Whats up with that?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Thats all her stuff.
Thats her car.
MARTIN:
She drives a Cadillac?
JAMINSON-Purry:
She had a Kia [PH] but she purchased a Cadillac.
I havent had[Voices overlap]
Thats all her stuff.
Her I.D.s, I was gonna give all that back to her when I get to Las Vegas
and see her again.
Thats whats [U/I] is for.
MARTIN:
Oh, okay.
DIAZ:
So if we dont need any of this weyour step-mom and Selaida [PH] is

the one we give it to?
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JAMINSON-Purry:
Yes, I mean, I know you guys are not gonna need any of that.
Just give
them this whole folder like, the labels[Voices overlap]

DIAZ:
Well, well [Stutters] go through it and if theres nothing in there we

need well release it to her.
Okay?
MARTIN:
All right.
JAMINSON-Purry:
My wallet?
DIAZ:
No.
JAMINSON-Purry:
No not, no not [Stutters] the stuff in there.
MARTIN:
Well, were gonna, were gonna check some of your banking stuff as
well.
Can you release that to her too?
So well probably keep those cards.
heard in the background].
Just my cards.
[Knocking on the door
So all right then.
Well be back in a
minute well probablyuh, you want something to drink before we

leave?
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, sir.
MARTIN:
Okay.
JAMINSON-Purry:
So, out there Ill be able to make phone calls?
MARTIN:
Yeah, when you get, when you get to the Sac [PH] County jail youll be
[Loud knocking on the door]
able to make calls.
All right?
DIAZ:
[U/I] need it.
[Laughs]
MARTIN:
Here.
U/M:
Hey bro, you need to stand up real quick and put and put chains on.
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[Pause]
192
U/M2:
Those other cuffs?
U/M:
I dont know.
U/M2:
The ones [Load noise heard in the background].

those off.
Cause we didnt take
Maybe they got them.
U/M:
Where did you put them?
U/M2:
[U/I].
U/M:
Its probably [U/I] then.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Can you um, ask the guy to come back so I can ask him a question
I didnt have them.
cause [Loud noise heard in the background] really needs to get done.
U/M:
All right, well put them on [U/I] do it.
MARTIN:
Yes, sir.
U/M:
Just wants to ask you a question real quick.
MARTIN:
Yeah? [Loud noise was heard in the background]
JAMINSON-Purry:
Hi, canis it possible, I need to get my little cousin [U/I] the phone
cause hes gohe goes to [U/I] school.
[Addresses Marin] Hey Roger!
And I[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
I tell you what.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I, I really just need to tell them cause[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
That other phone?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah, thats, thats his phone.
Is that what youre talking about?

But I, I handle his school stuff like his
rent.
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MARTIN:
Mhm.
JAMINSON-Purry:
And I have[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
How oldyou said he goes to Chico State?
JAMINSON-Purry:
Hes eighteen.
Yeah, he goes to um, goes to school in Chico.
Like
Ihis stuff is just in my possession.

MARTIN:
What were gonnathis is usually what will happen.

image both phones.
photos, all that.
Were gonna
Everything on the phones, phone calls, all that,
Were gonna probably image those phones and then I,
I think theres a time period of like two weeks or something like that.
They can come get the phone cause well have everything off the
phones.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Yeah, Im not worried about that portion.
I just need to[Voices
overlap]
MARTIN:
Theyll get the phone.
Its gonna be a[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
No, Im notits not that.
I need his number to his other phone so
Ijust when I get up here I can have it.
So when I talk to somebody
MARTIN:
I cant, I cant do that. Yeah.
JAMINSON-Purry:
All right.
MARTIN:
You just let, just let your step-mom know or somebody let youyou
know?
Theyll know.
People are gonna talk.
gonna be talking to each other.
Your, your family is
Its notyoure worried about
somebodys phone thats not that big a deal.
You know what Im
saying?
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JAMINSON-Purry:
No, Im not, Im not worried about his phone.
MARTIN:
And just so you know, this aint personal.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Nah.
MARTIN:
I have to ill will towards you.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Mm
MARTIN:
You know?
for.
Im worried a situation.
You know what I mean?
At all.
There are some guys that are like, I, I have a true discuss
Im, Im upset that you put that many guns on the street of
Oakland.
That pisses me off a little bit because people are getting shot
daily out there in Oakland, right?
That pisses me off.
notheres no ammoI dont
JAMINSON-Purry:
I understand.
MARTIN:
So, I mean, this is not personal or anything, man.
But I have
Im just doing my
job.
JAMINSON-Purry:
I understand.
MARTIN:
And, and I appreciate you talking to us so
JAMINSON-Purry:
But you[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Continue to, continue to[Voices overlap]
JAMINSON-Purry:
But what I was[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Take your water.
JAMINSON-Purry:
But what I was just asking[Voices overlap]
All right?
[Voices overlap]
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MARTIN:
Take your water with you.
JAMINSON-Purry:
Not to call.
[Voices overlap]
I just dont, I just dont have his contact number.
So
when I talk to somebody[Voices overlap]

MARTIN:
Youre worrying about little things, man.
Worry about you right now.
All right?
U/M2:
Do you need to use the bathroom at all, bro.
Cause this is gonna
be[Voices overlap]
MARTIN:
Yeah, this is gonna be a ride.
U/M2:
To Sacramento.
You go[Voices overlap]
Its like thirty, thirty, forty-five minutes.
Probably
about forty-five [Voices overlap]

MARTIN:
Go make a head call real quick.
JAMINSON-Purry:
[U/I].
MARTIN:
All right, its up to you.
U/M2:
Go ahead.
second.
Remember how we told you toput the water down just a
Remember how you linked up in there?
there like you did in the uh, car.

[Clicking noise]
[U/I].
[U/I] palm
Thats great, your feet will do.
What time is it?
Dont, dont get down yet.
Im
just gonna double lock them so they dont freaking [U/I] tighten up.
up.
Turn back around.
U/M:
[U/I] [Laughs]
U/M2:
[U/I] I got it last time.
Palm down.
Face the wall.
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Here you go.
Stand
[Rattling]
196
U/M:
What do you do, its all right.
U/M2:
I showed you one time [U/I].
U/M:
There you go.

[End of recording]
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Hadnt opened it yet.

It seems like a [U/I].

It, its right here, man. [U/I]

I dont think we have all those [U/I], bro. [Voices overlap]

[U/I] I dont [U/I].

Yeah, but still [U/I] So Im not gonna[Voices overlap]

So if, if you go [U/I] then Ill go through

[U/I], I mean, I, I dont [U/I]

Case 2:14-cr-00332-JAD-VCF Document 121-4 Filed 11/18/15 Page 4 of 198

Well be there tomorrow [U/I].

Yeah, I mean, I, I dont want [U/I]

[U/I] [Pause, unintelligible conversation in the background, door

Case 2:14-cr-00332-JAD-VCF Document 121-4 Filed 11/18/15 Page 5 of 198

Is itdo you by Ed or [U/I]?

Okay. UmMy name is Ernesto Diaz. Im and ATF supervisor here in

I dont I[Voices overlap]

Where do you live? Whats your, whats your address?

Where do I physically sleep? Uh, I staywhen I go to my mom house,

Okay, and thats your moms?

Case 2:14-cr-00332-JAD-VCF Document 121-4 Filed 11/18/15 Page 6 of 198

Uh Whats your moms name?

Sherril? Can you spell that for me?

Okay. Last name?

I, I know her number. I dont want you to call her.

Oakland would be home; but when Im in Las Vegas I stayId be

Case 2:14-cr-00332-JAD-VCF Document 121-4 Filed 11/18/15 Page 7 of 198

So when Im out there, usually, mostly when Im out there Im doing

So when you stay at your cousin, what, what address is that?

Okay, whats your cousins name?

Huh? I gotta give all that information?

Well, we gotta, we gottaWe gotta, uh, do someyou know?

When Im in Las Vegas most of the time Im gonna be at Sunset Station.

Okay, but whats your cousins name?

My cousins name is Kentrell [PH].

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N, T, R, E, L, L. Whats his last name?

Okay. And what, what part of town does he live in?

He wasHe used to stay back there. He was there vaguely. He was

Mhm. Whats the address?

I cant tell; I dont know the address. I

Whats the girls name?

I have no idea what her name is. I never seen her.

ButSo Kentrell lives in Vegas or does he live in the Bay area?

Kentrell stays out here.

Okay. Whats, uh[Voices overlap]

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When Im in Las Vegas, Im literally up there

So hes is like dating this girl?

He, he dont Shes just somebody he was messing with. When Im in

Id be there gambling. [U/I], just really chilling.

Whats SunSo Sunset[Voices overlap]

Okay. Uh, anywhere else you stay out there?

No. Well, Im mostly at Sunset Station.

So you get comped [sic] or what?

So you must be a big gambler then. What you play, man?

How much money you win at craps?

The most Ive won?

Case 2:14-cr-00332-JAD-VCF Document 121-4 Filed 11/18/15 Page 10 of 198

I think like twelve thousand; thirteen thousand.

So you know how to play then. [Laughs]