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Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine

System installation

Content
Agenda of Presentation
Engineering and engine Supply
1

Application feasibility

Boat System requirements

Electric system

Engine control

Engine installation

Installation propulsion system

Check ECU

First start engine

Vendor controls

10

Related documents

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


1. Application feasibility
General:
Max. thrust jet pump up to 490 kg depending water intake system for jet
Thrustcurves Weber Motor jetpump solutions

1200

thrust pump 148mm 150 HP lb


thrust pump 148mm 120 HP lb

1000

thrust pump 148mm 85 HP lb

thrust lb

800

600

400

200

boat speed mph

0
0

10

20

30

40

50

60

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


1. Application feasibility
General:
Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine propulsion system feasible for:

Max. dry weight boat 800 kg


Max recommended length 6 m
Max recommended width 2,0 - 2,5 m

Deadrise approx. 20
Any other values above will result in lower boat performance
For application feasibility: Send application chart to Weber Motor for feasibility
check

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


2. Boat system requirements
Operation conditions:

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


2. Boat system requirements
Engine compartment

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


2. Boat system requirements
Engine compartment

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


2. Boat system requirements
Fuel system (not in scope of supply):

Fuel pump 12 V, flow rate > 100 liter/hour @ 4 bar

Fuel pressure 4 bar

Pre filter before fuel pump e.g. Pierburg

Main filter after fuel pump e.g. Mann Filter WK 69/2 or Mahle KL 156-3 WITH integrated
pressure regulator 4 bar

Filter specification:

mesh area 50 cm2

mesh size 15 m

filter grade 95 %

Max. fuel temperature 55

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


2. Boat system requirements
Fuel system: Layout

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


2. Boat system requirements
Fuel system: Fuel pump:

First choice: In tank module

Not available at Weber Motor due to different fuel tank layouts

Second choice:

External fuel pump

Gravity feed of pump

Pressure relief valve

E.g. Walbro GSL 393

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


2. Boat system requirements
Exhaust system (not in scope of supply):

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


2. Boat system requirements
Exhaust system:

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


2. Boat system requirements
Exhaust system:

Note:

Inner diameter AG2 65 mm


Inner diameter AG4 76 mm

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


3. Electric system
Chassis connector
(not in scope of supply)
Delphi 13880240

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


3. Electric system
Wiring battery (not in scope of supply)

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


3. Electric system
Charge system: Wiring to voltage regulator (not in scope of supply)

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


3. Electric system
Electric: Not in scope of supply

Battery 12 V min 20 Ah (40 Ah low ambient temperatures)

Ignition key switch:

Terminal 30 is protected by a 15 A fuse in engine wire harness

Additional connected electrical components may not exceed a total load of 15 A

It is absolutely necessary that there is no interruption on terminal 15 when key is on


and turned for cranking engine

Engine speed signal: 2 pulses / revolution

Indicator lights: MIL, temperature and oil pressure

Max. load 5 W per indicator light

LED lights need a 10kOhm parallel resistor

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


3. Electric system
Electric: Not in scope of supply

MIL (malfunction indicator light):

Illuminated during operation: Fault

Flashing during operation: Emission related fault

Temperature warning light:

Coolant temperature > 102 C: Engine speed is limited, light turns on

Coolant temperature < 100 C: Limit is reset, light turns off

Oil pressure warning light:

Illuminated during operation: Low oil pressure, shut off engine by operator

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


3. Electric system
Electric: Not in scope of supply

Service light:

Yearly service hours are counted in ECU

Illuminated service hour light: Engine to be serviced

Engine hour counter can be reset by diagnostic tool

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


4. Engine control
TRU: throttle request unit

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


4. Engine control
TRU: throttle request unit

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


5. Engine installation
Engine lift

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


5. Engine installation
Drive shaft angle with weber Motor jet pump system

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


5. Engine installation
Engine decoupling
(not in scope of supply)

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


5. Engine installation
Engine mounting (not in scope of supply)

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


5. Engine installation
Engine alignment

(shims not in scope of supply)

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


5. Engine installation
Engine alignment

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


5. Engine installation
Connect fuel system

(hoses not in scope of supply)

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


5. Engine installation
Connect seawater in

(hose between engine and jet not in scope of supply)

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


5. Engine installation

Connect seawater in: Towing valve:

(hoses and tow valve not in scope of supply)

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


5. Engine installation
Connect seawater out:

(hose between engine and jet not in scope of supply)

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


5. Engine installation
Connect seawater out:

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


5. Engine installation
Flush system:

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


6. Installation Propulsion system: Weber Motor jigs:

Jet pump and engine installation by using Weber Motor jigs


Step 1: Install jet pump
Step 2: Install engine:

Distance to jet

Alignment engine to jet

NOTE: Weber Motor installation jigs will be available July 2014


Please see slides 55 - 57 for prototype installation without jigs

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


6. Installation Propulsion system: Weber Motor jigs:
Jet pump and engine installation by using Weber Motor jigs
Axial distance engine to jet has to meet spec:
Too small: Risk of engine failure axial bearing engine
Too big: Risk of spline failure of drive shaft
Axial play drive shaft: 6 +/- 2 mmm

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


6. Installation Propulsion system: Weber Motor jigs:
Jet pump and engine installation by using Weber Motor jigs
Alignment engine to jet pump:
Out of spec:

Risk of bearing failure jet pump

Vibration

Risk of failure through hull seal

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


6. Installation Propulsion system: Weber Motor jigs:

Jet pump and engine installation by using Weber Motor jigs

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


6. Installation Propulsion system: Weber Motor jigs:

Jet pump and engine installation by using Weber Motor jigs

Place drill jig in jet intake and drill 6 mm holes for:


4 x fastener for pump housing
2 x holes seawater fitting
2 x holes for control cables

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


6. Installation Propulsion system: Weber Motor jigs:

Jet pump and engine installation by using Weber Motor jigs

Attach drill jig to jet intake with 4 fastener

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


6. Installation Propulsion system: Weber Motor jigs:

Jet pump and engine installation by using Weber Motor jigs

Mount Edding arbor on alignment shaft


Insert Edding in arbor

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


6. Installation Propulsion system: Weber Motor jigs:

Jet pump and engine installation by using Weber Motor jigs

Insert alignment shaft in jig

Mark position for hole for drive


shaft with Edding

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


6. Installation Propulsion system: Weber Motor jigs:

Jet pump and engine installation by using Weber Motor jigs

Dismount jig and machine hole for drive shaft

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


6. Installation Propulsion system: Weber Motor jigs:

Jet pump and engine installation by using Weber Motor jigs

Drill holes:
4 x holes for fastener pump housing dia. 8,5 mm
2 x holes for seawater fitting dia. 24 mm
2 x holes for control cables
(diameter depending control cables)

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


6. Installation Propulsion system: Weber Motor jigs:

Jet pump and engine installation by using Weber Motor jigs

Mount pump housing with liner with


4 pcs fastener M8
Length of fastener M8 depending
hull thickness

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


6. Installation Propulsion system: Weber Motor jigs:

Jet pump and engine installation by using Weber Motor jigs

Mount centering jig with 4 pcs fastener M 8

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


6. Installation Propulsion system: Weber Motor jigs:

Jet pump and engine installation by using Weber Motor jigs

Dismount Edding arbor from alignment shaft


Insert alignment shaft in centering jig
Alignment shaft can be used as jig to laminate through hull tube
OD through hull tube 45 mm

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


6. Installation Propulsion system: Weber Motor jigs:

Jet pump and engine installation by using Weber Motor jigs

Mount arbor for engine mount bore jig


Mount engine mount bore jig

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


6. Installation Propulsion system: Weber Motor jigs:

Jet pump and engine installation by using Weber Motor jigs

Mount vibration isolators to jig


Drill holes for vibration isolators
Mount vibration isolators
to boat hull
Take off jig

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


6. Installation Propulsion system: Weber Motor jigs:

Jet pump and engine installation by using Weber Motor jigs

Mount alignement arbor


Slide back alignement bar to
give room for engine installation

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


6. Installation Propulsion system: Weber Motor jigs:

Jet pump and engine installation by using Weber Motor jigs

Place engine with decoupling element into boat on


vibration isolator
Place 4 bolts with washer
Dont tighten bolts,
give enough play to align
engine

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


6. Installation Propulsion system: Weber Motor jigs:

Jet pump and engine installation by using Weber Motor jigs

Engine alignment:
Align engine until arbor of alignment shaft fully and easy
slides into coupler

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


6. Installation Propulsion system: Weber Motor jigs:

Jet pump and engine installation by using Weber Motor jigs

Distance engine to jet is correct when:


Alignement pin is fully in centering jig
Shoulder alignment pin in contact with decoupling element

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


6. Installation Propulsion system: Weber Motor jigs:

Jet pump and engine installation by using Weber Motor jigs

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


6. Installation Propulsion system: Weber Motor jigs:

Jet pump and engine installation by using Weber Motor jigs

Connect seawater in and seawater out to jet pump

seawater out from engine

seawater in to engine

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


6. Installation Propulsion system: Prototype installations without jigs:

Jet pump and engine installation WITHOUT Weber Motor jigs


ENGINE MOUNT:

Mount rubber isolator mounts to engine

Place engine into boat hull to meet a dimension of 606,5 mm between PTO and pump
housing

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


6. Installation Propulsion system: Prototype installations without jigs:

Jet pump and engine installation WITHOUT Weber Motor jigs


Dimension 606,5 mm: Measured from pump housing with stainless steel liner to PTO

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


6. Installation Propulsion system: Prototype installations without jigs:

Jet pump and engine installation WITHOUT Weber Motor jigs

Mount drive shaft without through hull seal, bumper and O-Ring

Mount complete jet pump

Align engine to jet pump until drive shaft can be easily slided between engine and jet
pump

Fasten engine to boat

Dismount jet pump

Control dimension 606,5 mm

Mount through hull seal, drive shaft with bumper and O-Ring

Mount jet pump

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


7. Check ECU:

Before first engine start

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


8. First start engine:
Prime fuel system
Run engine max. 30 seconds without cooling
Extended engine run only with sufficient coling:
In the water
By using flush system:
Connect flush system
Start engine
Open water tap
Run engine
Close water tap
Stop engine
Remove flush system

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


9. Vendor controls (not in scope of supply):

Steering unit Teleflex


Mounting kit stering unit Teleflex
Steering cable:
Steering wheel
Shift cable
Throttle lever
Throttle cable to TRU
Tachometer

Fuel gauge

Speedometer

SH 5088
SB 39452
RCS, Teleflex and Ultraflex
Various
RCS, BTech and Ultraflex
Teleflex JBS CH 2300
RCS, BTech and Ultraflex
VDO A2C59512395
Wema 110386
BTech
VDO A2C59512497
Wema 110620
BTech
VDO A2C59512405
Wema 110388
BTech

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


9. Vendor controls (not in scope of supply):

Shift cable

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


9. Vendor controls (not in scope of supply):

Throttle cable

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


9. Vendor controls (not in scope of supply):

Additional Weber Motor parts:


Fuel pre filter
Fuel filter with integrated pressure valve 4 bar
Quick connectors for fuel filter 4 bar
External fuel pump with fittings
Engine vibration isolator
Engine shims 0.5 mm and 1 mm

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System


10. Related documents:

Weber Motor diagnostic handbook


Weber Motor installation handbook engine
Weber Motor service handbook
USA: USCG boatbuilders handbook
Europe: Directive 94/25/EG

Installation Weber Motor MPE 850 Marine Propulsion System

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