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90%Indianengineeringgraduatesarenotemployablewhy?
February 4, 2014 by Raghu Mohan
The jury is out for the year 2013, on the quality of the Indian education system. The India
employability report by Aspiring Minds, a research firm, has bought out the obvious fact that
the quality of the education system in India is, well, abysmal.
But it is the numbers that really dents the point home. Chennai, home to Anna University, one
of the largest universities in India with about 400 colleges affiliated to it, has an employability
rate of an awful 1%. Even the the state with the highest employability percentage, Delhi, is only
at 13%. Bangalore, the so called silicon valley of India is at a staggering 3.2%.
Clearly, something is horribly wrong with our technology education system. We
atHackerEarth decided to pen down these problems and heres a list of things could be wrong
1. Outdated learning learning basics is one thing, but learning ancient programming
languages, for example, FORTRAN, and not staying in touch with the industry could be
one reason why engineering students are not relevant to todays industry.
2. Theory vs Practice The current education system poses a chasm between theory and
practice. Very little of what is learnt at college can be put into practice in everyday life.
Hence, the best performers of the system, which are the kids with the best grades,
actually can do very little work and need to be separately trained for it. Thats an
expense that not everyone in the industry wants to take.
3. Exam culture Learning is a continual process, and exams are a way to measure the
extent of your learning. It is not the end all. Unfortunately, the CGPA or grade of a
graduate is the first filter for employment, and hence students lay emphasis on only the
exam and not on learning the subject. This results in weak fundamentals, and hence,
industry irrelevance.
4. Lack of exposure Given that the end goal of technical education is a placement in a
college, the amount of exposure given to students about the industry is also very little. It
is not until the final year of their college that they begin to understand what the
industry really wants. An early exposure to industry can give students an idea of what is
relevant in the industry, which they can learn in their own time.
5. Bad career matching Over the years, the lucrative opportunities that a professional
life in the technology industry has provided, has made engineering sciences the de-facto
choice for graduate studies. Weather or not the student has the aptitude for the stream
is not taken into account, resulting in uninterested engineering candidates, who havent
taken to their subjects as much as they should have, making them irrelevant to the
industry.
Now these are not unknown reasons. Every unemployed engineering graduate in the country
knows these reasons, as they have affected his/her life directly. Now theyre playing catch up.
I believe there is quite a lot opportunities for companies like us. These problems have been
prevalent for over a decade now and if they still havent changed, I dont expect them to
change either. But small teams like our own have been providing very good alternatives for
quite a while.
The impact of companies like Khan Academy and Coursera have been phenomenal from a
learning perspective. But in the Indian context, education has no meaning without a job. This is
the horrible reality that plagues this country. This is a national sentiment and changing it will
take at least a century or so.
While learning for learning sake and doing the job that you love to do is utopia, the first step
towards it would be to find a middle ground between the ideal and reality. Keep jobs as a
priority, but make people attain different goals to achieve it. Put out industry relevant problems
and a job opportunity for everyone who can solve the problem within constraints.
Not only is this industry relevant, it also lays emphasis on the importance of learning the basics,
as the stronger your foundations, the quicker and better you can solve these programs. You
cant mug up content for these tests; you need to know your skill very well. And the kind of
problems that you get to solve is a good measure of what the industry wants.
The problem is fairly easy to solve for engineering and many like us are solving it at scale.
Should you be disheartened with the India Employability Survey Yes. But does that mean
there is no hope? No. Definitely not.
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Rajendra Kotepatil
shirdi-48 days ago
Which peoples are having engineering colleges ... Maximum politician , why they couldn't
moniter the asset ( engineers) of our country , give them opportunity to do constructive work
for building nation . Therefore this policy maker s are the culprit s . We are already losing this
young engineers because of frustration ... Hope this government will moniter and utilise our
nations assent in constructive way..
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mangesh mohite
pune-52 days ago
I am from Pune university, there is a lack of qualified staff and they conduct lectures only on
university questions. There were no concept of any engineering studies, the only concept of
how to write answer in exam papers. Internal marks depends only on write-ups and
attendance,orals and practical's are only formality. Such type of institutions are spoiling our
education only for money.
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rajiv.mahale
385
Mumbai-53 days ago

Should that be a surprise? Any business or politician expecting exponential returns opens up an
engineering or a medical college. That is the safest and most profitable business today.
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Srn Ramanujam
914
Kharagpur-53 days ago

Employability can be defined as doing value creating work, getting paid for it and learning at
the same time, enhancing the ability to get work in the future
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Saurabh Mittal
594
54 days ago
High time appropriate authorities take notice of such figure and take immediate steps to check
the widening gap of engineering graduates' employ-ability vs job requirement....
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R K Gupta
Vaishali Ghaziabad-57 days ago
The fact remains that most of the private engineering institutions are producing such engineers
which are of NO worth. to themselves, to their family and the country. The govt. should steps
to either de-recognise these institutes or compel them to provide desired level of skill needed
by the type of degree.
If nothing is possible, let govt. employ well experienced/ retired capable engineers from
industry to provide the practical skill to these guys, so that they at least get some suitable job,
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Puneet Jha
New Delhi-58 days ago
Very rightly mentioned by Mr. Ravi Mittal "engineering colleges in every corner of the
streets.....".
Adding to the surprise, corporate management has been trying to continuously play around
with education system of India, for which India is known globally.
"However, along with improving the education standards, it is quintessential that we evolve our
undergraduate programmes to make them more job centric," Aspiring Minds CTO Varun
Aggarwal said."
So no more ... Read More
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Gourav Agarwal
12
59 days ago
its a truth that engineering has become a business and students are umemployed..
but why engineering students are only going for job.. there are multiple opportunities available
for them. its just one has to keep their mind and eyes wide open..
there has never been a solution and there will never be a solution just by sitting, posting
comments and criticizing the person or body who is not even bothered to have a look on the
comments. they dont even care to give our voices a minute..
so ... Read More
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Sachin Chemburkar
59 days ago
Private Engineering colleges were built to create. Employment for incompetent lecturers are
wasting students precious time by pollitong them with their utter incompetence..Students have
become money making business for these lecturers

.they deliberately. Fail students who have not attended their private coaching classes... SHAME
ON HINDU INCOMPETENT. lecturers.
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Muralidharan Srinivasan
941
59 days ago
AICTE is the most corrupt body and this statistics is no surprise!
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venkatgee
49
Chennai-59 days ago

Most of the educational institutions belong to politicians for whom this is a cash cow. These
have no facilities and are factories for generating black money. As a senior IT manager when i
interview students coming out if colleges i note that these students kniw nothing. They put up a
blank face for any question asked and even smile as if i am expecting too much from them.
Without political support how can these colleges function like this. Money hungry people are
destroying the nation and we have ... Read More
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pankaj singh
59 days ago
Please Bata doo ismei Dalit, obc aur muslim kitne hi.... Kyu ki Bharat mei alpsankyak Muslim hi
aur pichde Dalit.
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Akhilesh Yadav
1222
59 days ago
because education system is being developed by corrupt politicians in order to benefits pvt
institutions where black money is involved ....
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Ajit Tudu
50
59 days ago
because of more no engg colleges.
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Paban Sarma
7501
Tezpur, Assam-59 days ago

wo major cause: 1.Uncontrolled private institutions 2. lack of infra plus HR in govt. college
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Raghu
30459
59 days ago
that's true
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Paban Sarma
7501
Tezpur, Assam-59 days ago

two major cause:
1.Uncontrolled private institutions
2. lack of infra plus HR in govt. college/ institutes
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Bull skip
41
59 days ago
This is some serious issue,it not that we dont produce productive mind but our education
quality and approach is too Old for young India
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J sterling
1900
59 days ago
so boastful are we of nation of young men we forget that half of our young men are sick and
other half lack quality of standard,in ovation, imagination or international standard of
education. Japan became top ranking nation within 30 years after its destruction. Germany
took only 20 years! India? well, throughout it's history has never achieved it's potential...Sad
that
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J sterling
1900
59 days ago
there goes youth of India. we have quantity in all things but sadly NO quality or
consistency...Chalega
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shraddha bhagat
12
59 days ago
there are infinite nos.of college today also getting build just to build engineers without proper
guidane to develop the skills! !!!!
secondly many students without being ambitious to become engg. get admission due to "n" nos
of college which even dont have skilled teachers to educate them. this all have cause an
education imbalance with large nos. of unemployment! !!!
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Rajan K
13
59 days ago
This is a very sad comment on our engineering colleges. This is mostly due to self financing
institutions, who's managements are engaged in money making only. There should have strict
rules and regulations on these institutions by central govt. For maintaining the standard.
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Hanoz Ilaviya
127
59 days ago
There are multiple reasons. A large chunk of engg students do it just for the sake of it and don't
really have the aptitude. Then there's this category of engg pass outs who don't have the
aptitude but just do for the sake of it, they then keep wondering out for jobs. More than half of
the engg colleges don't have good teaching faculty. Students do so much of "jugaad" to pass
out. This causes a huge gap between required skilled set and available resources. Education is
money making business, ... Read More
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Richard D Souza
55
59 days ago
start accrediting colleges
they will fall in line
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Richard D Souza
55
59 days ago
how many profs in these colleges are getting on job training to stay abreast
how many like the current generation
they hate each other
the old stock of profs have no idea of current generation and their behavior
they are there for a living
a lot of students kill time gaming texting and flirting. going to bed at 3 am and in class at 8
dozing
assignments repeated copied from seniors

there is a lot that has to change
to start from the mindset of the faculty .....
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John Johny
918
59 days ago
Every educational institution be it a kids school or a college,was once deemed the sacred
Temple of Goddess Saraswathi, who was depicted as a white -robes adorned Lady sitting in
White Lotus playing a Veena!Now every quick-buck-maker's first choice is a kids school or an
engineering college! Neither the Govt. nor educationists give any serious thought to "ManPower Planning"!In TamilNadu many engineering colleges in almost every village feel the
squeeze as students prefer for academic ... Read More
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Rajan K
13
59 days ago
80 percent of engineering graduates are unemployable or unemployed?
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Tapas Pattanaik
433
India-59 days ago

There are some 300 odd engg colleges in Chennai itself, and every street of each city is having
one engg college. There is no respect to competitive exams, now a days people are having
money and they just send their kids to some so-so college thinking that he will become an
amazing engg. Sad but TRUE, our education is currently running on money not KNOWLEDGE.
We need to change this, otherwise degrees won't necessarily be used to measure knowledge.
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Krsn dutta
2322
59 days ago
They should be engaged by govt to supervise their respective MLA and MP NIDHIS .
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Siddhartha Edukulla
1323
Singapore-59 days ago

Not agreed. What ever the requirement is almost all the engineering are eager to take the
challenge and complete the task.
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TechYeast. com
118
59 days ago
this is what happens today everyone around is doing engineering and doctors there are many
fields that need to be focussed too, there are many colleges around that offer you enginering
degree but they never guarantee you placement facility i have seen many engineers suiciding
because they could'nt do anything well with there carrer but is that really their mistake or we
shall blame the education system for that
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Sukrut Deshmukh
59 days ago
This is just because engineers are getting qualified not educated.
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Rohit Rohit
4521
India-59 days ago

This is result of unplanned workforce of organization and mismanaged planning of govt.
Companies want only engineers / MBA's for all jobs from clerk to technician and in turn govt
started giving nods to colleges who are not capable just for their monetary profits.
Now same report will come for MBA. Those engineers who are good are doing MBA because
engineers get very low payscale these days.
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visiblemate Kumar
6991
60 days ago
I think the primary reasons are 2:
1. surplus engineering colleges
2. curriculum
stop approving new and close down ineffective colleges across and make a committee of all
well educated and knowledgeable ppl to create a world class curriculum!!
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Manish Maheshwari
26981
60 days ago
Falling standard of engineering. Easy to get admission. Easy subjects as compared to 20 years
back. No practicals. All colleges started by politicians. Have destroyed standard of engineering.
Most Engineers dont know basic knowledge of their subjects. They are also destroying other
fields like Bpharm, Law.
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Neha Choudhary
743
60 days ago
that's why many of them do menial job....
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Kishor J
4078
60 days ago
Difficult situation..
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bcvramaraju
2371
60 days ago
private engineering and medical colleges owned by our respective MP r MLA r unknown
business personals have single professors working in 10 different colleges a biggest scam 8f
investigated together with capitation fee and NRI quota biggest scam running in millions will
come out third system of private schools r making money instead building child they r making
commercial b it IAS to sweeper r engineers each want money through bribes.lok pal than Anna
hazare has created to eradicate corruption from ... Read More
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Tapan Naskar
8116
60 days ago
Teacher do not want to teach and student do not want to learn. In most of the institute
teachers just solve some question-bank from which students get questions in their
examination. High marks but no knowledge.
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Krishna Murthy R V G
1801
60 days ago
I wonder how these engineers get their degrees, some with even distinction.
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Damodar babu
14525
Weehawken NJ, USA-60 days ago

indian education is just rubbish
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Peter Desouza
1201
60 days ago
Our entire education system is Obsolete because it is based on books not experience. In simple
language our education is boring, burdensome, lengthy and impractical hence it renders
millions of youth unemployed every year.
Our education needs radical reform which is not possible by our so called educated people.
Someone with pragmatic approach, an "out of box" person can only do this work.
I home-taught my son and daughter and made them masters of English. Both of them started
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WHY ARE INDIAN ENGINEERS UNEMPLOYABLE?

Out of more than 6,00,000 engineers being pumped into the economy each year, only a handful
(18.43%) are ready to be deployed as Software Engineers in the IT Services industry. And the
number drops to as low as 3.21% for IT product roles. The figures come from the latest edition
of National Employability Report , Engineers,2014 by Aspiring Minds. Disturbing as it may
sound, but these numbers are a reflection of the present state of employability in the country.
Why does this wide a gap exist between the number of engineers produced and the number
that can be readily deployed in jobs? Where does this supply chain break?
India has done a great job in terms of creating capacity - sheer quantity of educational
institutions. However the increasing quantity of institutions seemed to be inversely affecting
the average quality of education being imparted. It is imperative that the education system
takes a fresh look on the situation to understand how and what changes can be done to ensure
that the employability of graduates passing out each year is increased.
The onus is on the education system to develop curriculum that is focused on imparting skills
that are relevant to the industry. Impetus on the quality of teaching that is imparted and an
overall sincerity from the institutions is very essential. However the motivation for change
needs to trickle down to the level of institutions and individuals as well. Seriousness about
education and sincerity in working towards getting a job should come in students at an early
stage and not when they are at the brim.
It is mostly seen that students get to realize that they are unemployable only in the final year of
college. It is when they gear up to look outside into the job space that they realize what skills
they have been lacking; skills imperative for getting a job. And by the time they sit to brush and
polish their employability skills, unemployment settles in the system.
Employability assessments can play a big role in this for they help both institutions and their
students understand and evaluate their job readiness and work constructively to fix the lean
points. The Aspiring Minds AMCAT - four year program is designed in a way that exactly bridges
this gap. A student who takes the assessment in the first year of college gets to evaluate his
employability in detail. He gets a directional feedback on the type of jobs he/she would do good
in and also realizes his/her strengths and weaknesses and can immediately get into action to
acquire the missing skills. By the time he/she reaches the final year of college when doors are
about to open to the job world, they are equipped with the right skill set and are job ready.
Conclusion: India's youth is very aspirational. It is on the system - parents, mentors, institutions,
government to inspire and lead them directionally in rising up the employability pyramid.
Appropriately structured mechanisms are needed at all levels to impart skills which will make
India's demography more employable.
Why Is India Producing

Unemployable Engineers?
@IndiaSpendAug 07, 20155 Comments
By Prachi Salve:
After the buzz over Indias mission to Mars and the Prime Ministers high-decibel Make-inIndia, both meant to be showcases of the nations engineering talent, here is the latest, grim
reminder of the quality of freshly minted engineers:
While 97% want jobs either in software or core engineering, only 3% are good enough to be
engineers in software/product roles, and only 7% can handle core engineering tasks.
Only 11% find jobs in knowledge-intensive sectors because their English skills are poor (74%),
as are their analytical or quantitative skills (58%).
A student from a tier-3 college will get Rs 66,000 per annum less than a student of equal merit
from a tier-1 college.
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Wikimedia Commons
These are some of the key findings of a study by Aspiring Minds, a New Delhi-based
employability solutions company, on skills, gender, locations and institutions. The report is
based on a sample of more than 120,000 engineering students who graduated in 2013 from more
than 520 engineering colleges across India.
India has 6,214 engineering and technology institutions with 2.9 million students enrolled,
according to theMinistry of Human Resource Development.
Experts believe an economy with a large percentage of unemployable but qualified candidates is
not only inefficient but a recipe for social instability. And the great mismatch in aspirations of
graduating engineers and their job readiness is fertile ground for large-scale dissatisfaction and
disillusionment.
The engineers analysed by Aspiring Minds are employed mainly in hardware and networking.
While 90% of engineering graduates want mechanical, electronics/electrical and civil
engineering jobs, only 7.49% are employable in such roles. In interviews conducted for the
study, software was the preferred sector for 53% of engineers, while 44% preferred core
engineering jobs.
Let us examine the skills these engineers bring to the software industry. Less than 20% of
engineers are employable for software jobs. Of 600,000 engineers who graduate annually, only
18.43% are employable for software engineer-IT services role; no more than 3.95% can be
deployed on projects.
So, most engineers are employed in hardware and networking. Their work mainly involves
technical support and network management. Among non-IT roles, there is high employability as
sales engineers who sell tech support to companies.
In non-tech roles, most engineers find employment in the business process outsourcing (BPO)
sector mainly in telecalling and backend processing. In the more lucrative sector of knowledge
processing operations (KPO), an area of high revenues, only 11.5% of engineers even qualify for
the role of business analysts. The main reasons for low employability is lack of English
communication (73.63% did not qualify) and low analytical and quantitative skills (57.96%).
The key reason for such poor job prospects, according to the report, is inadequate preparation
in the domain area, the ability to apply basic principles of say, computer engineering or
mechanical engineering, to real-world problems. As many as 91.8% of computer/IT engineers
and 60% of engineers from other branches fall short of the domain knowledge required for such
roles. These concepts and principles are there in college curriculum, however there is a gap in
teaching and learning pedagogy being followed in majority of colleges.
Location matters, for jobs and college quality. Employability varies tremendously across
colleges. For instance, 18.26% of software engineers are job ready in tier-1 cities, such as
Mumbai, Bangalore and Hyderabad, whereas 14.17% are employable from colleges in tier-2
cities, such as Pune, Nagpur and Surat. This variation is mirrored across states.
The message is that a large proportion of employable engineers are ending up without
opportunity, a worrying trend for higher education.
Location matters so significantly that a candidate from a tier-3 college may be as qualified as a
tier-1 student but her odds of finding a job are 24% lower; she will also earn Rs 66,000 less
every year.
The source of the problem, the report said, could be current entry level hiring practices:
Companies visit only certain high-ranking colleges. There is evidence that in the typical resume
short-listing process, the college name is a key signal and resumes from unknown colleges are
not shortlisted. It is understandable that corporations do this to make their recruitment process
more efficient. However, this is leading to a lack of equality in the employment market. It is also
preventing companies from accessing a large set of meritorious students.
The IT services industry is not growing at the same pace as before and the growth of entry-level
jobs is diminishing. Companies are now looking for hiring candidates who already have decent
expertise in programming. Secondly, IT services companies today realise that within two years
of the job, the candidate will have to communicate with international customers. As these trends
catch up across industry, the employability for IT services sector, which is the largest hirer in
engineering, will diminish further. To remain competitive in the job market, colleges and
students need to have a fresh focus towards programming and English (both written and
spoken).
This article was originally published on Indiaspend.
1. Avinesh Saini8 months ago
Now that vermin Narayan murthy will say that all our engineers are worthless. Kudos.
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Raja Nagendra Kumar8 months ago
It is all trash, it is the industry which does not know how use the fresh talent. Talent coming
can be better utilized by simple inside innovation. Expect results on live work, not nonsense
Q&A style of filtering, IT is any way mass scale no-rocket science work.. Come to me, I
shall how you at least 10 ways to fix this
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Sagar Apshanakar8 months ago
This problem is very real and has been around for a while. The supply of engineers is more
than the demand, yet, companies fall short of their target entrants due to lack of quality in
graduates. The problem is that companies only come to recruit graduates but the industry
never engages with students during their education. Companies could get together and keep
special exams (oral and written) to supplement course material in colleges and thus hone the
talent that they require.
Engineers are manufactured in colleges today. Often, the main purpose of the institution is to
launder construction money.
Reputed industrialists like the Tatas and Adanis could also introduce competitive internships
WITHOUT RESERVATIONS for engineering students. As it stands, we have apathetic
industries, B-grade engineers and robber-baron colleges.
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Bobby8 months ago

Totally agree with you Sagar! A lot of the engineers from my state Kerala are working in
Banks and others moved to Management jobs. Industries should offer apprenticeship to
students after their Higher Secondary education and should also support them to get
admissions in professional colleges under their sponsorship. Thats a better way to produce
qualified engineers.
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Radhakrishna2 months ago
This problem has to be tackled from the grass root level itself. Changing the school
curiculum and emphasis on analysis, technical, logical skills instead of rote learning. Until
and unless basics are not correct, no one can build or create new thing, even if someone pours
crores and crores of money. So science and engineering education in India must go a
complete overhaul.
Also, for jobs, industry must have very hard selection criteria. For computer science, they
should test candidate's ability to write highly optimized code, for electrical engineering jobs,
the standard should be to build a circuit which wastes less energy.
Majority of software jobs in India are more or less through connections, and still, have not
moved upto the value chain of innovation.
80% Engineers In India Are Unemployable: The State Of Engineering

Graduates
ByAmartya Baidya
Posted on January 29, 2016
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This April when you prepare to appear in your PET, IITJEE and other engineering
entrance exams, do consider if you REALLY want to become an engineer.
In this seventh largest country in the world, where human resources are considered as
a primary wealth, reports indicating that 80% of engineering graduates are
unemployable appears to be unbelievable.
To satiate your curiosity with numbers, 1,50,000 engineering students from over 650
colleges were included in a nationwide survey by Aspiring Minds which
published National Employability Report 2015. Standing at a whopping 4298
institutes, the number of engineering colleges in India has multiplied during the last few
years. Engineering has become the de facto degree and engineering colleges are
churning out more than 600,000 students every year, of which majority of the graduates
are unemployable.
While, everyone in the education system is busy playing the game blame for this feat,
we decided to take a different approach to the problem. There is no doubt in our minds
that, the quality of education in most private colleges that have sprung up in the recent
years is quite abhorrent, but what surprises us the most is the reason why students are
flocking to these institutions year after year. And since most of these institutes have
some sort of government approval, it will be interesting to see if the Indian government
takes any active measures to regulate and investigate the teaching methodologies in
these colleges that are nurturing Indias future.
The State of Engineering Graduates in India
Before we dissect the inner workings of the mind of an Indian science student and at a
much broader scale, of Indian society as a whole; we would like to first, present some
facts and figures. We believe that these facts and figures will offer you a better
understanding of the situation. India may claim to be one of the most hospitable
countries in the world and a melting point of cultures and religions, but behind the
facade lurks an elitist and sexist mentality that has prevailed from the times of the
Zamindars. This report seeks to dent quite a few of those misinformed ideas.
Tier III Cities Are Catching Up
For a long while, colleges in Tier I and II cities have enjoyed the privileges of being the
first pit stop for most companies. Now, Tier III cities have also stepped up to the plate,
and the new report suggests that they have a share of employable engineers that a
prospective employer could possibly look for.
IT services which has long been, a forte of Indias engineering populous can now seek
to recruit more people from Tier III cities as well. A slice of the engineering students
from these colleges has been deemed fit enough to serve the needs of entry level IT
engineers in firms like TCS and HCL.
Taking a look at the numbers, we see that Delhi has the highest percentage of
employable engineers followed by the information hub Bengaluru. The western parts of
India are not far behind and Kerala and Odisha entered the top 25 percentile list of most
employable states while Punjab and Uttarakhand dropped to the 2nd and 3rd places.
Absence of Gender Bias: Both Genders Equally Unemployable
The employability trend projects an interesting statistic; gender discrimination shouldnt
exist in the employment scene as both male and female engineers have been found to
be equally competent. In fact, some positions like sales engineer non-IT, associate ITeS
or BPO and content developer, are skewed slightly towards the employability of
females.
Though, technical acumen forms an enormous part for employability, some of the other
important ways involve internship and networking. This provides the perfect path for
our final segment where we look at the various nuances of the job market and whether
if, engineering remains a valid career choice for science students in India.
OUR TAKE ON THE EDUCATION SYSTEM
The graph above, reveals that there is, in fact, a good demand for engineers in various
key sectors in India. The core sectors of engineering have 10,000 plus vacancies,
but the number of engineers who are qualified to take up core positions are desperately
low. This leads us straight to the crux of the matter, why can not the education system
produce capable engineers who are good enough to hold their own, without having to
be trained for an industrial scenario.
The report singles out two major factors:
The deplorable state of education in the recently established private engineering

colleges has been cited as a major detriment to the quality of engineering graduates
from India.
The courses taught at most universities are theory based and thus, offer little or no
practical experience and knowledge of working at project scenarios.
The first one can be easily rectified by governmental regulations on the quality of
teaching equipment and instructors hired by such colleges. The ever-soaring high,
archetypal engineering bubble has burst, and an alarming number of seats are being
left vacant at the private engineering colleges across the country. Had it not been for
the seat reservation debacle in the government colleges this year, these numbers
would have been worse.
However, along with improving the education standards, it is quintessential that we
evolve our undergraduate programs to make them more job centric, says Aspiring
Minds CTO Varun Aggarwal.
The curriculum that is being taught at most Indian Engineering colleges is woefully
outdated and that is why, despite having some of the brightest minds studying at
institutes such as the IITs and NITs, we fail to make the numbers count among the
top engineering colleges across the world.
The numbers look worse if we include all streams, as CNR Rao, eminent scientist and
Head of the Scientific Advisory Council to the Prime Minister, recently stated that 90%
Indian universities have an outdated curriculum.
The increasing number of engineering graduates looking to take GATE exam and
pursue post graduation, is another pricking indication that the undergraduate courses
are sorely lacking in preparing a candidate for most jobs and that the higher education
has become necessary to fill in the gaps.
Behold! The engineering aspirants across the country do not lose your hearts. We have
an answer to your dilemma. The caveat is, that there is no cookie cutter formula for
deciding either a Yes or No.
The huge gulf among the maximum and minimum salary expected is a testimony to one
significant fact. In India, to succeed and to land a job in an engineering field, admitting
into good college is paramount. The mean of three lakhs per annum for most
engineering students, is an assurance that these students dont have high expectations
and if a renowned company will go in for campus placements
While, a couple of years have rolled by, nothing seems to have blamed the
situation. The two keys to being an engineer with a satisfactory job are:
Getting admitted to a good institute

and most importantly, having an interest in engineering
Its imperative that parents and the student alike, must understand that what he or she
is passionate about. Peer pressure, parental pressure and lack of aspiration may lead
you into a dead field like engineering. Before one decides what he aspires to be, it is
absolutely essential to know what you are passionate about and whether your passion
will make you earn a decent living or not. Linguistics is another pivotal criterion, but
that can always be worked upon at a later stage.
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Caste Based Reservations

by Jay (View MyPage) on Dec 31, 2014 08:55 AM
Surprised that "Caste based Reservation" for college admission is not mentioned as a factor!
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by Kanhaiya (View MyPage) on Aug 08, 2014 10:20 PM
This position is highly a matter of great anxiety for the people in general and govt. in particular as its plan to
compete in the knowledge society of world in shortest time to take India to a position of strength may get
frustrated if we do not act fast to improve our education system.
fate of engg colleges in India

by satish siriyannavar (View MyPage) on Jul 31, 2014 08:45 AM
persons who does not get any employment are becoming teachers or retired teachers who were there in
Govt are becoming teachers.further more almost all graduates want a particular jobs for them either in
metros or outside india..there are lotjobs are available in 2 tier cities in India.
Teaching...
by Prashanth Talla (View MyPage) on Jul 30, 2014 09:00 PM
More or less, teachers across India, and almost all institutes are at the worst level. Either they are incapable
or disinterested.
Further, Govt and private institutes should pay reasonable salaries so that the Teachers won't look at this
profession as fall abck option but they get into it with interest. He someone is not fit, fire them.
unemployable graduates
by ramkumar singh (View MyPage) on Jul 30, 2014 05:00 PM | Hide replies
Mainly due to poor teaching in schools and colleges.Most of teachers teachers are not capanle
Re: unemployable graduates
by pravin sarode (View MyPage) on Jul 30, 2014 08:22 PM
doctor anil d mokashi now not alive from VJTI joined vidyalankar classes as director our
exam system is outdated we byheart the subject without knowing it like languages
craming
Govt. policy
by ajit kumar (View MyPage) on Jul 30, 2014 09:13 AM
Due to our wrong Govt. policy
Even a monkey_can_be employable

by blogger (View MyPage) on Jul 30, 2014 08:35 AM | Hide replies
Create job first, even a_monkey can be employable.
Re: Even a monkey_can_be employable
by Hari G (View MyPage) on Jan 21, 2015 08:29 PM
please understand the topic. It is not joblessness in the market. it is UN-employability of
our grads.
education system
by Ashwin (View MyPage) on Jul 29, 2014 06:36 PM
Quality of education is certainly eroded. Matriculate 40 yrs ago, has better perception of several issues than
today's Graduate. During TDP & Congress rule in AP, anyone could start Jr College in 1 Room Apt, Degree
College 2 BR Apt & PG/University 3 BR Apt. AICTE is also very liberal granting permission to Engig
Colleges in AP, most of which run from Poultry farms & Cattle sheds. Added to this generosity by AICTE,
AP had also offered Fee reimbursement package FRP) & the report says that about 350 Engg Colleges
were started (in AP) after FRP offered. The Govt has spent 35,000 crores on FRP & its no secret that more
than 50% of it would have gone to Management, Politicians & AICTE. Everyone joins Engg only to fly off to
US with SW job offer, in Campus selection but how many can get even Data Entry Operator' job is a big
question. Some of the suicides, are on account of depression, unable to meet academic requirements,
leaving sorrow to poor parents. One Jt Director in DEpt of Higher Education commented that "now the time
has come to shut down several Engg Colleges". There are no qualified teachers in 90% of the Engg
Colleges & standard is so great that Tutorial Colleges have mushroomed all over HYD under the great Adm
of AP Govt. Management rotates Faculty, from one College to another, when AICTE comes for Annual
Inspection/ritual (collection of their fees) I do not know if the situation is any better in other competing States
like TN, Maha
The Heading is Catchy but Contents All Trash

by saurav bhattacharyya (View MyPage) on Jul 29, 2014 09:48 AM | Hide replies
Dear writer you have taken a good catchy heading, but the contents are all trash. Pl. take feed-backs from
the the actual un-employed engineers rather than from some Delhi IIT grad. etc.
I've been in a senior position in very large organizaion and recruit and train engineers for the last many
years. The fact is that our engineers are 'over educated'.
Barring the R & D units, most Indian co's in their field of work employ or need only HS level of knowledge!
But how to select or whom to employ ? Thus just short listing/screening has been based on some criteria,
your certificates, your college, are you an engineer ? your marks etc.
After employment, its only your intelligence in the actual work field which matters and most engineers would
laugh at the demand of engineering knowledge in their actual work field.
Re: The Heading is Catchy but Contents All Trash
by Ashwin (View MyPage) on Jul 29, 2014 06:11 PM
I would accept your view that "most of the jobs except R&D,require only High School but
I would go to say not most but all, including IAS,IPS etc. require only HS". We know that
all the successful Bania Cos employ only Matriculates & are more profitable. We hardly
see anything more than Matriculates in the Western Countries, except teaching in
Schools/colleges. But in India we have Matriculates in teaching & Doctorates in Clerical
jobs. Can any one say why an IAS or IPS Officer needs Ph.D and Waste Govt time?
Does he really spend so much time on his Ph.D (wasting Govt manhours) OR the whole
job like thesis is written by some one else? We need to do something serious about the
situation.
Re: The Heading is Catchy but Contents All Trash
by IThink ThereforeIAm (View MyPage) on Jul 30, 2014 12:16 PM
I so agree with you, though I feel there's truth on both sides of the assertion.
The thing is, the present trend in Indian industry is towards services. And services hardly
requires the kind of knowledge that is imparted to Indian graduates. More often than not,
more than actual subject knowledge (which in many cases is so devalued by our
businessmen and "industrialists") it is street smartness and communication skills that
matter on Indian business ground. As an electronics engineer I've lost count of the
amount of stuff I've had to study - electromagnetic field theory, feedback loops and
Laplace transforms, Antennae and wave propagation, z-transforms and DSP, partial
differential equations and double integration -- not one of which I've used even remotely
in my two decade long working career. The truth is in 99% of Indian business and
industry subject knowledge does not matter.
Having said that, I also think Indian education has to improve vastly to match western
standards. Having worked also in the IT industry, I can confidently say that most
European / American programmers can write better code and do better architecting than
Indian professionals with twice their experience. Indian education is based on cramming
and rote learning, with zero emphasis on analytical thinking or questioning. As a result
we have copy-paste graduates who are helpless and have to Google to bail them out in
many difficult or not-so-difficult situations.
Re: Re: The Heading is Catchy but Contents All Trash
by pravin sarode (View MyPage) on Jul 30, 2014 08:27 PM
52 subjects in 4 years u have to pass how many subject u really apply in day to day
life is real application there are still 200 plus poor marathi majority speaking students
who fail reapeatedly in engineering exams for no fault of their own as mumbai
university has closed down all the old courses for them in year 1992 raj thakare
came to help students but now also students from middle class marathi families are
neither lay man as they are as on date 12th pass but can not do job as engineer as
mumbai university closed all options for the poor students who can not pay private
tutions fees
Sad but not gloomy picture

by Sheonandan Pandey (View MyPage) on Jul 28, 2014 07:17 PM
Apropos the employability assessment of the Indian graduates. While not aware of the assessment
yardstick, I don't find the picture gloomy. This is ipso facto the system generating gainful employment for
those many people. While the data is around a decade back from now, employability of 30% engineering
and technology graduates meant a ready market for 1,42, 500 engineering graduates per annum. By the
same token, employability of 5% graduates from commerce and humanities discipline meant employment
readiness of the system for 1, 12,500 graduates. Are we doing? The living fact is different. The assessment
has done more disservice than a help to the country. The organization is advised to see other studies
including the NCAER India Science Report to get to understand.
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Sad but not gloomy picture

by Sheonandan Pandey (View MyPage) on Jul 28, 2014 07:17 PM
Apropos the employability assessment of the Indian graduates. While not aware of the assessment
yardstick, I don't find the picture gloomy. This is ipso facto the system generating gainful employment for
those many people. While the data is around a decade back from now, employability of 30% engineering
and technology graduates meant a ready market for 1,42, 500 engineering graduates per annum. By the
same token, employability of 5% graduates from commerce and humanities discipline meant employment
readiness of the system for 1, 12,500 graduates. Are we doing? The living fact is different. The assessment
has done more disservice than a help to the country. The organization is advised to see other studies
including the NCAER India Science Report to get to understand.
Why are Indian graduates unemployable?

by D Subbarao (View MyPage) on Jul 28, 2014 01:07 PM
Most of Engineering colleges are lackof Professors. The students who gets degree is becoming faculty of
that college whether he possess knowledge to teach or not. Secondly most of the engineering colleges are
encouraging copying. No good laboratories as per the norms of AICTE. The committee inspecting the
colleges are dooped with bribes by college management and getting approvals from AICTE. No stringent
action on college management. No.of seats in colleges are more and the no.of aspiring students getting
admissions are less. Govt. should not sanction new colleges. Unless fool proof system to check & inspect
colleges and their teaching teaching capabilities the ability of students will not improve.
What ails..........
by ashok mani (View MyPage) on Jul 28, 2014 11:49 AM
First, those going to colleges are living out their parents dream.
Unless you have a love for the language, you will never enjoy the subjects and want to read by yourself.
Exams are taken merely for marks
Marks don't mean anything in real life
May be many should stop after School.
Many should go into vocational - hands on kind of jobs to explore their passion and creativity.
Should stop aping the West or the next door joe !!
Graduate Engineers' Employability

by Murari Datta (View MyPage) on Jul 28, 2014 10:24 AM
Swami Vivekananda in gis clarion call stressed upon two fundamentals:
1. Man Making and Character Building Education;
2. Health.
He also said "Education is the manifestation of power within."
The reasons why 19 out of 100 graduate engineers are not getting jobs are due to :
1.We are not listening to Swami Vivekananda;
2."Education" has become a business and related to trade and money earning;
3."Education" has drifted from its main objective to facilate in acquaring "Knowledge"to become a potential
productive human being in the society to sustainable self development in particular and the Nation at large;
4.Without any aptitude,students are going engineering stream ( with false ego to earn name,fame&, to get
whilt colour job & money);
5. Lack of appropriate Education Policy in the Country;
6.Lasck of appropriate and correct assessment of requirment trained and productive human resources as
graduate engineers,technicians in each discipline of engineering and technology;
7.Uoydated Curriculums in each branch of engineering and technical training courses;
8.Outdated teaching system and teachers in engineering colleges and technical training institutions;
9.Absence of appropriate co-operation and co-ordination between industries/corporate sector and
schools/colleges/universities;
10.Polital interference in Education System;
11. A breakdown of studen-teacher-parent relationship for growth and sutainable development o
Graduate Engineers' Employability in India

by Murari Datta (View MyPage) on Jul 28, 2014 10:22 AM
Swami Vivekananda in gis clarion call stressed upon two fundamentals:
1. Man Making and Character Building Education;
2. Health.
He also said \\\"Education is the manifestation of power within.\\\"
The reasons why 19 out of 100 graduate engineers are not getting jobs are due to :
1.We are not listening to Swami Vivekananda;
2.\\\"Education\\\" has become a business and related to trade and money earning;
3.\\\"Education\\\" has drifted from its main objective to facilate in acquaring \\\"Knowledge\\\"to become a
potential productive human being in the society to sustainable self development in particular and the Nation
at large;
4.Without any aptitude,students are going engineering stream ( with false ego to earn name,fame&, to get
whilt colour job & money);
5. Lack of appropriate Education Policy in the Country;
6.Lasck of appropriate and correct assessment of requirment trained and productive human resources as
graduate engineers,technicians in each discipline of engineering and technology;
7.Uoydated Curriculums in each branch of engineering and technical training courses;
8.Outdated teaching system and teachers in engineering colleges and technical training institutions;
9.Absence of appropriate co-operation and co-ordination between industries/corporate sector and
schools/colleges/universities;
10.Polital interference in Education System;
11. A breakdown of studen-teacher-par
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Most are unskilled

by RameshRaghuvanshi (View MyPage) on Jul 28, 2014 09:25 AM
There two reason first they are not skilled and initiative second there are not sufficient industries to give
them job
AA
by Shikari Shambu (View MyPage) on Jul 28, 2014 07:59 AM
As someone rightly said, Indian students want to become an engineer first. Later they think of what they
can do :)
The main reason why quality of education has diminished, is because of reservations. When I studied, we
had around 15-20 classmates who had come in the reservation quota. Out of that, only 2 cleared their
professional degree. On enquiring their background, I came to know that they JUST managed to scrape
through their 10th and 12th exams and got in through reservation.
It's an admission control issue

by desi twist (View MyPage) on Jul 28, 2014 07:44 AM
Too many engg colleges. That many jobs do not exist.
graduates unemployable...
by dineshhassija (View MyPage) on Jul 27, 2014 06:37 PM
inexperience might be ready to use but their basics had been much stronger....
young employment
by Kiran Bothra (View MyPage) on Jul 26, 2014 08:41 PM
All technic young genration what to get Govt. job only. Because life time earning garunty
Admittance is first step of action : Swamy Chinmayananda

by Cheran (View MyPage) on Jul 26, 2014 01:24 PM | Hide replies
Some of my dear members have vehemently objected to the facts highlighted in the article where as some
members have recognized the ground reality.As Swamy Chinmayananda (not to mention other such as
Larry Leissner and others have said too) said Admittance is first step of action and or correction, recovery
etc. As long as we are defiant to accept reality, correction is impossible. Barring few issues most of the
things mentioned in the article are correct. It is high time the education system including faculty
management requires thorough overhauling at least now if not later or never. Government alone can not
create miracles unless citizens cooperate. As grown up citizens we have lot of responsibility in this arena
rather than putting up mere resistance for every thing.
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Rich industrialists and executives cover up their incompetence

by Varadarajan Ravindran (View MyPage) on Jul 26, 2014 12:50 AM | Hide replies
The rich Indian industrialists and foreign investors will always say that Indian graduates are unemployable.
They also state that western and other are employable with high school diplomas. These are generally
ploys to under pay Indian engineers and gobble up huge profits, and simultaneously justify their actions. It
might be true that some Indian graduates require more on-the-job training to attain higher proficiency levels.
We received good education at the baccalaureate level in IIT, and we fared extremely well in doctoral work
and advanced research in top American universities or research institutions. In fact, we take more initiatives
than our American, European or other Asian counterparts. Company executives all over the world are also
champions of excuses for explaining their poor performances and covering upt their incompetence in
various scenarios. There are lots of third and fourth string universities in the west whose products are
incompetent and are grossly over-paid on account of racism.
Re: Rich industrialists and executives cover up their incompeten
by Pat Thakur (View MyPage) on Jul 26, 2014 12:36 PM
'Coz of just one word - RESERVATION.
And
by Communal Award (View MyPage) on Jul 25, 2014 09:55 PM | Hide replies
Because business is "reserved" to Bania for the past 2000 years in ndia.
Re: And
by Krishna Bhat (View MyPage) on Jul 27, 2014 12:43 PM
That is why India prospered 2000 years ago.
And
by Communal Award (View MyPage) on Jul 25, 2014 09:54 PM | Hide replies
Indian education system is designed to create Employees, not Employers.
Re: And
by IThink ThereforeIAm (View MyPage) on Jul 30, 2014 12:21 PM
For the very first time, I agree with you.
unemployment amongst new engineer graduates

by arvind (View MyPage) on Jul 25, 2014 06:09 PM
institutes providing engineering education have emerged as Pan Selling Shops. these institutes are nothing
but Money Making Machines. Engineers coming out of these institutes are not capable of doing any jobs
which involve physical labour. most of them get a package of rs 2.5lac to rs 3lacs. at such a low package
how a engineer will survive? they & their parents are getting frustrated after spending such a high amount
on education.
our Govt. & Human Resource Ministry must look into the problem which shall become most grave in the
future.
Wasted knowledge
by monojit b (View MyPage) on Jul 25, 2014 01:39 PM
Apart from limited few like Doctors, Lawyers, Teachers, Scientists, Finance and Upper management people,
most of the higher educated persons are limited to doing mundane works in their offices and factories. The
various lengthy subjects studied by them over so many years are of no relevance and of no use to them.
Instead, they are engrossed in pen pushing or works related to other branches for which their acquired degree
knowledge is of no help. Here crops high level of dissatisfaction and frustration depending on the amount of
intelligence they get the chance to use and the pay they get.
Ultimately, getting any degree is never of much help to the job at hand. Only use of the degree is to meet the
qualification criteria of job vacancies. Thus the only target remains to acquire any degree without much
botheration about actual studies and learning.
Employable Graduates!
by umesh rao (View MyPage) on Jul 25, 2014 01:23 PM
Basics First, though politically incorrect!!!
Everyone knows that a product can be good (let alone perfect) only if the raw material is good. We want
100% pass in all classes up to X standard. A teacher cannot punish - in any manner. Just a glare at a nonperforming student is a sin! Discipline of any kind is abhorred by students (naturally), parents, management,
political class and society at large. How do you mould a child?
Yes. There are errant teachers. Deal with them. Just b'cos Americans said so, we DO NOT want to teach
anything to our children. A teacher deals with 70-80 students in each class. All want free education. A
teacher after 17-20 years of education can aspire to get only 10-12k per month (excluding Metros). Most of
the students graduate under such teachers. So for them, the easiest thing to do is to award marks. Kis ka
kya jaatha hai?
We want the cat belled. BUT LET SOMEONE ELSE DO IT FOR US!!!
because they are poor in communication

by sanjay agarwal (View MyPage) on Jul 25, 2014 01:09 PM | Hide replies
Every second Indian graduate or post graduate is so poor that if he or she is given to write a simple letter
communicating something, they simply fail. They may be literates but not educated. Kerela has 100 percent
literacy but has a very low education rate. Kerala english graduates are worse when it comes to even write
a simple english letter. They just dont knwo a simple grammer.80% will fail for sure.
Re: because they are poor in communication
by dhanpal (View MyPage) on Jul 29, 2014 02:49 PM
boss you see first what is spelling for grammar it is not grammer?
Employability of graduates
by Namakkal Raghavendran (View MyPage) on Jul 25, 2014 01:08 PM | Hide replies
It is politically incorrect to say this but it is a bitter truth. Higher education beyond school level requires some
basic intelligence, particularly in the engg. field where somewhat complex ideas and concepts have to be
understood.50 years ago just 5% of candidates who passed out from higher secondary education
(Intermediate, PUC, 12th Std etc. whatever you may call it) got engg. admission. Only persons passing out
with 95 percentile marks made it into engg./medical etc. Now it is enough if you just pass your PUC/12th std
with 40-50 percentile, you can get engg.college admission. How can the quality of engineers be the same
as before? Besides, no system of education or institution can produce graduates ready to occupy a
position. Without some basic training a fresh graduate cannot straightaway start working. Industry is making
noise because they don't want to spend money for training. Added to the problem are the deplorable quality
of the faculty and the colleges themselves which have become mass production factories with hardly any
quality infrastructure.
Re: Employability of graduates
by Varadarajan Ravindran (View MyPage) on Jul 26, 2014 01:05 AM
You do not seem to know anything about America or Britain. You are attacking Indian
graduates when they are very competitive at international levels. You seem to be hypercriitical like the Indian press that was denouncing all the policies of Narendra Modi and
supporting Sonia and Rahul Gandhi before the election fiasco.
You do not seem to know anything about America or Britain. You are attackign Indian
Re: Re: Employability of graduates
by Cheran (View MyPage) on Jul 26, 2014 01:31 PM
Mr. Varadarajan,
No one is pointing finger to Modiji now, which is evident if you read my comment. Do
you deny what Raghavendra says if so give some stuff. It is appropriate to add one
more thing that duration of engineering degree has been curtailed from five to four
years. Why don't we accept the ground reality then only whichever government rules
the country will be able to achieve goal.
Re: Re: Re: Employability of graduates

I disagree with Mr. Rnghavendran's comment that Indian students do not
possess basic intelligence. You do have a point that engineering programs were
diluted when their durations were reduced from five years to four years.
Nevertheless, American and British universities have four-year programs
including a lot of general education courses.
graduates when they are very competitive at international levels. You seem to be hypercritical like the Indian press that was denouncing all the policies of Narendra Modi and
graduates when they are very competitive at international levels. You seem to be hypercritical like the Indian press that was denouncing all the policies of Narendra Modi and
Education in India
by chemmarath aravind (View MyPage) on Jul 25, 2014 12:53 PM | Hide replies
I think the main reason is our reservation system. It should be stopped and education to be given to all
student without looking their cast and religion. After getting graduation also the reservation will come to way
in job also. Our political leaders are know this but they will not take this issue due to vote bank, " who will
tide the bell to the cat ".

Re: Education in India
Still our students are quite good at international levels. The greatness of Indian students
is not projected because of the ling-standing effects of the Congress administrations and
their discouragement of originality, knowledge and entrepreneurship. However, let us
not over-blow the situation and criticize Jawaharlal Nehru for everything. Now we have
Narendra Modi and we will be very competitive at all levels.
Re: Re: Education in India
by Cheran (View MyPage) on Jul 27, 2014 06:44 PM
Mr Varadarajan,
As me and many readers repeated, of course government is responsible in defining
and implementing policies but nonth will be achieved if students and parents do not
cooperate. Don't believe in miracles but do believe in hard work, your hard work ..Let
it be so, you will be the winner otherwise loser regardless of any extent even if Modiji
does.
Methods of measurement of Purity/Quantity at the end of Pipe

by pratap bhanu (View MyPage) on Jul 25, 2014 12:48 PM
we indians talk of good reputed institutes as per times of india ranking.
US/UK/AUS/CAN rankings..
Package the graduates receive post qualification..
Just if even a normal man thinks that what these rankings are??What kind of real problems they can solve?
Engineering graduates doing banking JOB/Finance JOB??Even companies are mad??
The person of engineering/science who really understand its subject and purpose,can not be a banker.
But in reality this is happenning??
A doctor is becoming IAS??
So i conclude is that now education becomes a mean for earning good money.
Days have gone when companies used to ask in interview through which branch you did your bachelors.
Rather they are asking from where you did your bachelors.All companies now want better marketers..
See how many indians becoming scientist nowadays(atleast IIT/NIT/ISC/JNU) can produce.
Every one is chasing/running behind money even in education(where the goal should be excellence).
Every one want to become rich overnight and even bigger companies want to become equivalent to
Americans..
So government should declare its priorities like first one is becoming rich,then gain
knowledge/excellence..then public service etc.
And these goals can be achieved through any means(business/vyapaar/iit/iim)
br//pratap
Reason why 95% Indian Graduates are Unemployable as per recent Su

by PARTHA RAY (View MyPage) on Jul 25, 2014 12:25 PM
I know of a girl who passed her MA in English from an University.She returned home after appearing for a
paper and kept crying saying that she could complete only 55 Marks and could not attempt the remaining
questions and that wrote without studying. That,she was employed and could not get time to study is a
good reason but what happened was that she passed the Exam with 40% marks in that paper. She is
presently unemployed. The reason why these students pass is that unless they are "Passed" , that
University will stand for questioning by the UGC which will stop its Grants etc. The 5% employable are
exceptional / studious /serious students.
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Education In India
by Shaik Bade Saheb (View MyPage) on Jul 25, 2014 11:38 AM
Blame the system. Why no parent asks the management that why the LKG student needs 12 long note
books while the society is moving towards paperless society? You don't need to even sign when you go to a
bank. Our education system is like parrot like, memorise the whole text. The NCERT has no vision or
direction. Ignorant intellectuals and intellectual idiots have occupied important positions in the education
wing. Their attitude is SAN CHALTA HAI!
depende on service sector

by SAI RAM (View MyPage) on Jul 25, 2014 11:33 AM
make your own business
indians
by indianpatriot (View MyPage) on Jul 25, 2014 10:52 AM | Hide replies
indians are not thinkers. They are parrot mimickers .
Re: indians
by dhanpal (View MyPage) on Jul 29, 2014 02:51 PM
what about you. are you stallin for lelingrad?
Main
by Akshay Singh (View MyPage) on Jul 25,
2014 10:51 AM | Hide replies
Main reason why Indian graduates are

unemployable is because they are the output
of the Indian education system which was
created by the British to produce docile,
mindless, subservient office clerks or Babus
who would follow administrative orders to
smoothly run the British Empire!
Since British stooge Nehru wanted to run his
own empire after the British left, he kept the
British devised education intact so that he
and his dynasty would have an endless
supply of non-revolting subservient office
Babus to run their empire!
What all this means in real terms is that
Indian graduates are good at following orders
and remain Office Babus all their lives!
This was fine and dandy when India had an
insulated economy and work culture!
But with India becoming part of a global
economy, it needs graduates who are
creative thinkers and problem solvers, not
Office Babus who are dependent on the
regulations manual to solve routine problems
in a routine working environment!
This is the reason why they are
unemployable!

Re: Main
by jagdishwar rao (View MyPage) on Jul 25, 2014
12:17 PM
Dear Akshay,
Greetings.
I totally agree with you my friend!! But, as you said,
we as a whole country need to change. We should
atleast now realize that fighting for Religion, Caste,
Creed is totally waste of Humanity....
In fact, all the world leaders should come together
and make a World Religion where one shouldn't
have a Religious Mindset rather should have a
Human Perspective!!!
Dear friend, its high time, that world itself needs a
strong change in Mindsets of people :)
Take care.
Pray for Heavenly Earth!!
Re: Re: Main
by Akshay Singh (View MyPage) on Jul 25,
2014 12:37 PM
Why are you using Rediff message board to
practice for your job as Congress Party speech
writer?!
We have people to churn out platitudes as it is!
We don't need new ones like you!
And
by Communal Award (View MyPage) on Jul 25, 2014 10:30 AM | Hide replies
Afraid to take your Merit/Caste share of land from India and build your own nation?

Re: And
by jagdishwar rao (View MyPage) on Jul 25, 2014 12:18 PM
Dear Comm Award,
Greetings.
I totally agree with you my friend!! But, as you said, we as a whole country need to
change. We should atleast now realize that fighting for Religion, Caste, Creed is totally
waste of Humanity....
In fact, all the world leaders should come together and make a World Religion where
one shouldn't have a Religious Mindset rather should have a Human Perspective!!!
Dear friend, its high time, that world itself needs a strong change in Mindsets of people :)
Take care.
Pray for Heavenly Earth!!
Why Indian engineering graduates are not employable?

What are the reasons for many indian engineering graduates are not getting placed?
4 Answers
Yuvaraj Kasi, a mechanical engineer & DIY enthusiast

84 Views
If a student is not able to secure a job through campus placements, it doesn't mean he is
unemployable.
There are plenty of opportunities outside, but there is a lack of awareness among students.
One of my college senior got a job after attending 40+ interviews. And he became a manager
within a short time.
It's only upto you to find right opportunity that suits you.
Most IT companies are looking for smart student with fluent English. They don't mind
technical knowledge.
But most manufacturing companies are looking for an intelligent student with technical
knowledge. Doesn't bother about their English.
You just need to knock the right door.
When I interview candidates, I check their ability to learn faster, interest to learn, curiosity,
ability to visualize, ability to manage a situation.
In most cases, top rank holders in a class will be good technically and fail at networking. I
guess they are unemployable for sales and marketing, supply chain management etc.
And in most cases, the last benchers are damn good at networking and fail technically. I
guess they are unemployable for an R&D profile.
There is one more reason why some students are termed as unemployable. Many of the
managers in India, interview students not for what their job requirements. They want only
the answers they like to hear.
Employers in India look for employees who DID the same job. But in west, employers look
for employees who are can DO the job.
If you look at the profile of an Indian, all his experiences will be of same department
traineedesign engineersenior design engineer-ast.manager(design)manager (design)
Director (design)
VP (new products)
But a profile of a guy in US will have wide experience with,
Trainee
Service engineer
Production Engineer
Senior design engineer
Assistance manager (Sales)
Manager (marketing)
Technical director
CEO.
Last but not least, you also remain unemployable if you expect higher salary than what is
available.
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Its our Education System, we are not taught relevant skills. Topics like Cloud Computing ,
Big Data, MicrosoftExcel etc should be a part of curriculum. The sad part is people in
education authorities do not want to change it, because what they say is "Yaar 2 saal bache
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If we can just simply study whats the current skills required and always update our
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reasons are obvious:

1. lack of good quality education in colleges, focus is on making entrance exams tougher
rather than improving quality of education.
2.less and less students take engineering out of interest, as a result we have lots of B.techs
but very very few Engineers.
3.Lack of jobs in manufacturing sector,people dont get jobs in manufacturing sector, then
they go for IT industry.
As a result Engineers are deemed stupid and useless nowadays and good engineers have to
fight everyday to keep their head high, Professors are disrespected everywhere, they dont
give a shit then, and lastly and most importantly the usual mindset "pehle B.tech karlun,
then will decide on my career"..
cheers, happy engineering guys!!
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I have not faced any interviews, but one thing that I have observed in my college placements
that even if you are studying an electronics course,your coding skills would be more
important.
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Reasons for low employability of

engineering graduates'
A. K. Sarkar and S.K. Choudhury
Last Updated: April 10, 2014 | 10:31 IST
A.K Sarkar and S.K Choudhary
In recent days a serious discussion on the quality of higher education in India,

the international ranking of higher education institutions in India and their
failure to enter the list of top 200 institutions of the world, and the low
employability of Indian graduates has started all across the country. At long
last a debate has been initiated in the media on the topic and it seems that the
country has started realising that the Indian education system needs
immediate serious attention. It has received further importance as the
President of India has been expressing his concern in every possible forum.
Several educationists have focused on the problems of poor quality primary
education in India which has been brought to light through the recent NCERT
and Pratham reports. But we would like to focus on the quality of higher
education in India. In one of our recent articles we pondered some of the
reasons which hinder Indian universities from becoming world class. Here we
would like to discuss why the employability of Indian graduates seems to be
very low.
Kiran Karnik, then president of the National Association of Software and
Service Companies (NASSCOM), in one of his articles a few years ago had
written that by 2010, the IT industry alone might face a shortfall of 500,000
professionals, unless proactive steps were taken. Sadly, of the large number of
engineering and other graduates being churned out every year, only about 10
per cent are employable in the IT industry. Reports published in various
newspapers last month reveal that only about 30 per cent graduates in India
are job worthy. In case of engineering graduates it is reported that their
employability worth lies somewhere between 20 to 25 per cent. Many
academicians feel it could be still lower. It is therefore important to dwell
upon the possible reasons which cause low employability of Indian
graduates in general and engineering graduates in particular.
The Knowledge Commission of India headed by Sam Pitroda has said that the
country will need more than 1,500 universities by 2015 to provide
opportunities of higher education to eligible Indian youths. Today the country
has more than 700 universities and 33,000 colleges which offer a large
number of programmes in Arts, Science, Commerce, Finance, Engineering,
Technology, Law and Medicine. The country has grown in terms of number of
colleges, universities and programmes, but it seems that there is a huge gap
between the quantity and quality of higher education offered in this country.
It seems there is lack of proper planning, appropriate guidelines, and
corrective measures while sanctioning new institutions and disciplines. Thus a
large number of institutions are being established taking only profit into
consideration and with little emphasis on quality of education. Even many
government institutions have become battlegrounds for political rivalry
resulting in poor governance leading to poor quality of education. Most of the
technical education institutions including the better known ones are
understaffed and lack in qualified, competent and suitable faculty members.
In most of the engineering institutions the course curriculum is, by and large,
theoretical in nature and students are not made aware of the applications of
the theories in industry. The programmes and their course content reflect lack
of interaction among academic institutions and industries. In the process the
curriculum quite often fails to meet the needs of the industries. Not many
structural changes have taken place in the curriculum even though rapid
developments have been taking place continuously in the fields of science and
technology. New branches of engineering have been introduced with the

structure remaining in the traditional mode.
Moreover, the institutions mostly follow the traditional method of teaching
giving little thought to the fact that information nowadays is readily available
on the net and thus students would not get interested unless they get
something extra by attending classes. It is more of content delivery than
knowledge delivery. The assignments given quite often are routine and do not
involve any research or innovation. It is a great challenge to motivate and
attract students to serious learning. Moreover, the evaluation system has not
been made robust enough to find out the knowledge level of the students. The
philosophy of the semester system and the continuous evaluation process are
not being understood by the students and also by the faculty members. Thus
they are applied in a routine manner and the students concentrate only on
grades and not on learning.
The emergence of the IT sector has also affected the quality of graduates in
other traditional engineering disciplines. Knowing that it is easy to get a job
with a high salary in the IT sector, students from other disciplines also take as
many IT related courses as possible as electives and do not give much
importance on their discipline subjects. Even during summer vacations some
of them take coaching in IT related courses. In the process we produce halfbaked engineers, neither good in their own disciplines nor in IT. In addition,
over-dependence on software packages in some of the core discipline courses
rather than on concepts has led to poor understanding of the subjects.
Moreover, the emphasis on soft skills during campus interviews has created a
wrong notion among students. They give too much importance on the
development of soft skills and ignore the subjects of their disciplines. It seems
employers have also accepted the fact that students with soft skills can be
trained in the industry and thus do not expect a high level of knowledge in
discipline subjects.
However all above mentioned points sound relevant when we look at higher
education in isolation only. If we see the whole education system starting from
the elementary level we find that the problems lie at every stage of our
education system. At the school level we find that the present day syllabus
does not stress simple and subtle concepts, but involves tiresome details. Most
entrance tests for admission to better known institutions emphasise speed and
memory and not calm and collected thinking. When students join
undergraduate programmes, they are exhausted than excited; they show
confidence, but no capacity, they show familiarity, but no understanding. Too
much of pressure in the last few years in school makes them feel that they
have achieved the goal in life after securing admission in a good institution
through highly competitive admission tests. Thus when they come out of
professional technical institutions, many of them do not have adequate
knowledge to implement projects or carry out research independently. It is a
fact that the employers look for ready-made engineers who can directly be
asked to do a specific job whereas educational institutions are better suited for
providing training of minds and not training for jobs. Since job requirements
are continuously changing it is quite difficult to produce tailor-made engineers
unless there is regular and structured interaction between academia and
industries.
Thus an all out effort is needed to produce readilyemployable technical man
power in the country. The improvement of infrastructure, redesign of
curricula, improvement of teaching-learning methods and attracting well
qualified teachers are only a few steps that could be initiated by individual
institutions. The main challenge is to create an academic environment and
education system that promote and ensure learning. However, there are many
external and societal factors that need to be addressed. The process is quite
challenging, but not impossible to achieve with honest effort.
(A.K Sarkar is Senior Professor, Department of Civil Engineering, BITS
Pilani. S.K Choudhary is Associate Professor Department of Humanities &
Social Sciences at the same institute. Views are personal.)
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SSoosaa
No surprise for south India and especially in TN after 2006, taken out entrance for the
professional courses are the main causes of this statistics as there are more mushrooming
institutions without quality will only give namesake professional without knowledge.
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RRAVI
Most Industries in India want their rookie engineers to fit into the company groove from day-one
with far-fetched results in performance. 90% companies have no training facilities or even a
standard OJT to orient the newcomers. Even sycophancy flourishes and there is lack of morale
values in many cases.
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PPrashant
almost all the engineering graduates are knowledgeable and are keen to work but these
companies do not have a transparent recruitment system in place moreover the term
employable depends on the person who is hiring how come the government does not term them
as unemployable and allow them to sit for the recruitment test .
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AKAkhilesh Kumar
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VVarghese.Al
1,000,000 engineers are graduated yearly. 200,000 are qualified! more over those remaining
800,000 are not fools they are employable with minimal exposure to work requirement.
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RJRadhakrishnan Jeevanandham
A square peg in a round hole and an unseemly, almost a zero are perceptible in the Graduate
engineer's picture.The silhouette symbolises the grey areas of Indian engineering studies which
now has taken a curious path towards crossroads At a time manufacturing sector is showing
signs of deep trouble and IT & IT enabled services giving mixed indications, the dilemma of
students is better understandable than the mostly outdated syllabi, keeping out of touch with the
state of the art ,quantum jumps in technology. Our big strides in engineering education , in
terms of quantity is awesome , but a lot to be desired when it comes to quality. The aspiring
Minds National Employability Report, said to be based on a study of more than 1,50,000
engineering students from over 650 colleges has given a finding of 80% unemployable
graduates. This is not surprising although very disappointing. Preference of girls for IT related
studies is also matched by a slightly more positive level of skills.
By
GEETA ANAND
April 5, 2011
BANGALORE, IndiaCall-center company 24/7 Customer Pvt. Ltd. is desperate to find new
recruits who can answer questions by phone and email. It wants to hire 3,000 people this year.
Yet in this country of 1.2 billion people, that is beginning to look like an impossible goal.
So few of the high school and college graduates who come through the door can communicate
effectively in English, and so many lack a grasp of educational basics such as reading
comprehension, that the company can hire just three out of every 100 applicants.
FLAWED MIRACLE
The Journal is examining the threats to, and limits of, India's economic ascent.
In India, Doubts Gather Over Rising Giant's Course
India projects an image of a nation churning out hundreds of thousands of students every year
who are well educated, a looming threat to the better-paid middle-class workers of the West.
Their abilities in math have been cited by President Barack Obama as a reason why the U.S. is
facing competitive challenges.
Yet 24/7 Customer's experience tells a very different story. Its increasing difficulty finding
competent employees in India has forced the company to expand its search to the Philippines and
Nicaragua. Most of its 8,000 employees are now based outside of India.
In the nation that made offshoring a household word, 24/7 finds itself so short of talent that it is
having to offshore.
"With India's population size, it should be so much easier to find employees," says S. Nagarajan,
founder of the company. "Instead, we're scouring every nook and cranny."
India's economic expansion was supposed to create opportunities for millions to rise out of
poverty, get an education and land good jobs. But as India liberalized its economy starting in
1991 after decades of socialism, it failed to reform its heavily regulated education system.
INDIA'S GROWTH BATTLE
Take a look at India's economy 20 years after the country abandoned its Soviet-style, centrally
planned economic model, embraced capitalism and jump-started economic growth.
ENLARGE
MORE
Wipro Program Takes on Education Woes
Business executives say schools are hampered by overbearing bureaucracy and a focus on rote
learning rather than critical thinking and comprehension. Government keeps tuition low, which
makes schools accessible to more students, but also keeps teacher salaries and budgets low.
What's more, say educators and business leaders, the curriculum in most places is outdated and
disconnected from the real world.
"If you pay peanuts, you get monkeys," says Vijay Thadani, chief executive of New Delhi-based
NIIT Ltd. India, a recruitment firm that also runs job-training programs for college graduates
lacking the skills to land good jobs.
Muddying the picture is that on the surface, India appears to have met the demand for more
educated workers with a quantum leap in graduates. Engineering colleges in India now have
seats for 1.5 million students, nearly four times the 390,000 available in 2000, according to the
National Association of Software and Services Companies, a trade group.
But 75% of technical graduates and more than 85% of general graduates are unemployable by
India's high-growth global industries, including information technology and call centers,
according to results from assessment tests administered by the group.
Another survey, conducted annually by Pratham, a nongovernmental organization that aims to

improve education for the poor, looked at grade-school performance at 13,000 schools in rural
areas in India, where more than 70% of the population resides. It found that about half fifth
graders can't read at a second-grade level in india.
At stake is India's ability to sustain growthits economy is projected to expand 9% this year
while maintaining its advantages as a low-cost place to do business.
The challenge is especially pressing given the country's more youthful population than the U.S.,
Europe and China. More than half of India's population is under the age of 25, and one million
people a month are expected to seek to join the labor force here over the next decade, the Indian
government estimates. The fear is that if these young people aren't trained well enough to
participate in the country's glittering new economy, they pose a potential threat to India's
stability.
"Economic reforms are not about goofy rich guys buying Mercedes cars," says Manish
Sabharwal, managing director of Teamlease Services Ltd., an employee recruitment and training
firm in Bangalore. "Twenty years of reforms are worth nothing if we can't get our kids into jobs."
ENLARGE
Yet even as the government and business leaders acknowledge the labor shortage, educational
reforms are a long way from becoming law. A bill that gives schools more autonomy to design
their own curriculum, for example, is expected to be introduced in the cabinet in the next few
weeks, and in parliament later this year.
"I was not prepared at all to get a job," says Pradeep Singh, 23, who graduated last year from
RKDF College of Engineering, one of the city of Bhopal's oldest engineering schools. He has
been on five job interviewsnone of which led to work. To make himself more attractive to
potential employers, he has enrolled in a five-month-long computer programming course run by
NIIT.
Mr. Singh and several other engineering graduates said they learned quickly that they needn't
bother to go to some classes. "The faculty take it very casually, and the students take it very
casually, like they've all agreed not to be bothered too much," Mr. Singh says. He says he
routinely missed a couple of days of classes a week, and it took just three or four days of
cramming from the textbook at the end of the semester to pass the exams.
Others said cheating, often in collaboration with test graders, is rampant. Deepak Sharma, 26,
failed several exams when he was enrolled at a top engineering college outside of Delhi, until he
finally figured out the trick: Writing his mobile number on the exam paper.
HEARD ON THE STREET
India Aims to Miss the Mark, Again
That's what he did for a theory-of-computation exam, and shortly after, he says the examiner
called him and offered to pass him and his friends if they paid 10,000 rupees each, about $250.
He and four friends pulled together the money, and they all passed the test.
"I feel almost 99% certain that if I didn't pay the money, I would have failed the exam again,"
says Mr. Sharma.
BC Nakra, Pro Vice Chancellor of ITM University, where Mr. Sharma studied, said in an
interview that there is no cheating at his school, and that if anyone were spotted cheating in this
way, he would be "behind bars." He said he had read about a case or two in the newspaper, and
in the "rarest of the rare cases, it might happen somewhere, and if you blow [it] out of all
proportions, it effects the entire community." The examiner couldn't be located for comment.
Cheating aside, the Indian education system needs to change its entire orientation to focus on
learning, says Saurabh Govil, senior vice president in human resources at Wipro Technologies.
Wipro, India's third largest software exporter by sales, says it has struggled to find skilled
workers. The problem, says Mr. Govil, is immense: "How are you able to change the mind-set
that knowledge is more than a stamp?"
At 24/7 Customer's recruiting center on a recent afternoon, 40 people were filling out forms in an
interior lobby filled with bucket seats. In a glass-walled conference room, a human-resources
executive interviewed a group of seven applicants. Six were recent college graduates, and one
said he was enrolled in a correspondence degree program.
One by one, they delivered biographical monologues in halting English. The interviewer
interrupted one young man who spoke so fast, it was hard to tell what he was saying. The young
man was instructed to compose himself and start from the beginning. He tried again, speaking
just as fast, and was rejected after the first round.
Another applicant, Rajan Kumar, said he earned a bachelor's degree in engineering a couple of
years ago. His hobby is watching cricket, he said, and his strength is punctuality. The
interviewer, noting his engineering degree, asked why he isn't trying to get a job in a technical
field, to which he replied: "Right now, I'm here." This explanation was judged inadequate, and
Mr. Kumar was eliminated, too.
A 22-year-old man named Chaudhury Laxmikant Dash, who graduated last year, also with a
bachelor's in engineering, said he's a game-show winner whose hobby is international travel. But
when probed by the interviewer, he conceded, "Until now I have not traveled." Still, he made it
through the first-round interview, along with two others, a woman and a man who filled out his
application with just one name, Robinson.
For their next challenge, they had to type 25 words a minute. The woman typed a page only to
learn her pace was too slow at 18 words a minute. Mr. Dash, sweating and hunched over,
couldn't get his score high enough, despite two attempts.
Only Mr. Robinson moved on to the third part of the test, featuring a single paragraph about
nuclear war followed by three multiple-choice questions. Mr. Robinson stared at the screen,
immobilized. With his failure to pass the comprehension section, the last of the original group of
applicants was eliminated.
The average graduate's "ability to comprehend and converse is very low," says Satya Sai Sylada,
24/7 Customer's head of hiring for India. "That's the biggest challenge we face."
Indeed, demand for skilled labor continues to grow. Tata Consultancy Services, part of the Tata
Group, expects to hire 65,000 people this year, up from 38,000 last year and 700 in 1986.
Trying to bridge the widening chasm between job requirements and the skills of graduates, Tata
has extended its internal training program. It puts fresh graduates through 72 days of training,
double the duration in 1986, says Tata chief executive N. Chandrasekaran. Tata has a special
campus in south India where it trains 9,000 recruits at a time, and has plans to bump that up to
10,000.
Wipro runs an even longer, 90-day training program to address what Mr. Govil, the humanresources executive, calls the "inherent inadequacies" in Indian engineering education. The
company can train 5,000 employees at once.
Both companies sent teams of employees to India's approximately 3,000 engineering colleges to
assess the quality of each before they decided where to focus their campus recruiting efforts.
Tata says 300 of the schools made the cut; for Wipro, only 100 did.
Tata has also begun recruiting and training liberal-arts students with no engineering background
but who want secure jobs. And Wipro has set up a foundation that spends $4 million annually to
train teachers. Participants attend week-long workshops and then get follow-up online
mentoring. Some say that where they used to spend a third of class time with their backs to
students, drawing diagrams on the blackboard, they now engage students in discussion and use
audiovisual props.
ENLARGE
Job applicants at 24/7, which says only three of 100 are qualified. VIVEK M. FOR THE WALL STREET
JOURNAL
"Before, I didn't take the students into consideration," says Vishal Nitnaware, a senior lecturer in
mechanical engineering at SVPM College of Engineering in rural Maharashtra state. Now, he
says, he tries to engage them, so they're less nervous to speak up and participate in discussions.
This kind of teaching might have helped D.H. Shivanand, 25, the son of farmers from a village
outside of Bangalore. He just finished a master's degree in business administrationin
Englishfrom one of Bangalore's top colleges. His father borrowed the $4,500 tuition from a
small lending agency. Now, almost a year after graduating, Mr. Shivanand is still looking for an
entry-level finance job.
Tata and IBM Corp., among dozens of other firms, turned him down, he says, after he repeatedly
failed to answer questions correctly in the job interviews. He says he actually knew the answers
but froze because he got nervous, so he's now taking a course to improve his confidence,
interviewing skills and spoken English. His family is again pitching in, paying 6,000 rupees a
month for his rent, or about $130, plus 1,500 rupees for the course, or $33.
"My family has invested so much money in my education, and they don't understand why I am
still not finding a job," says Mr. Shivanand. "They are hoping very, very much that I get a job
soon, so after all of their investment, I will finally support them."
Poh Si Teng and Arlene Chang contributed to this article.
Write to Geeta Anand at geeta.anand@wsj.com

Corrections & Amplifications
A previous version of this story and a chart failed to say that a survey conducted by Pratham
looked at schools in rural areas. The story incorrectly said the survey was conducted across
India.
allabout educationMar
2, 2012
Most of the Indian students are educated but not get a good job because of the our education
system.. Indian education system is based on theory so the students don't have a practical
knowledge.
Ram LNov
22, 2011
Sorry I must say Geeta Anand complexly mixed up things.
1) All this cry of private companies as if they have so many Jobs and they dont get competent
graduate is just a another new false propaganda. In truth In India we dont have (and never had) so
many Jobs. So unless our economy becomes big we will never have so many Jobs to employ our
entire graduates. So then why we produce..so many graduate...well probably its better to have big
pool of educated citizen ( but unemplyed.sad thing) than uneducated unemployed citizen.
2) Why Indians need to learn English ...does the Germans knows English or French speaks
English....although I agree if some Indian ( like many do) try to learn English that will help him/her
but you cant blame them not if they wish not to learn.
3) If AT&T or IBM goes to hire in Bronx or Harlem school what will be their experience? Why not ask
them to hire from University in Wyoming or from some little known school in rural midwestor from
some bogus University in CA. Same is true in India...They are so many fake or substandard Engg
Colleges/ Univ that were opened by Political leader (mainly in North India and South India) and we
know their standard very much ..and aspiring candidate will never attempt to take admission there.
NIIT, 24/7 are not a representative of Indian education or companies. India Govt, TATA, L&T, and
others dont have any problem of finding suitable candidate. Rather there are too many of them for
too little post.
4) We do have lots of problem in school education....but that has to do lot with our social condition,
financial situation ...its true we must do our best to improve....but I think even in such bad condition
and with such scare resources we do better than any other similar ( see Africa) countries. Why I will
compare India with US...? and on top of that ...academic quality of Indian students in University and
colleges are pretty good....
5) Somehow I have a feeling Geeta Anand does not have any clear idea about Indian scenario ...and
by the way Pratham the organization that she refers ...is a not a reliable organization ...its board
members consist of Big Industrialized and many of them profitable private school and got embroiled
in big scam in Indian and US (Rajat Gupta, Birla, Ambani ..few names) and they have vested interest
to show the public school bad...and that exactly what they do. So pl dont refer them.
What are some bitter truths about engineering in India?

19 Answers
Bala Senthil Kumar

14.1k Views Bala has 1,240+ answers in India.
Real engineers are problem solvers. They are given the tools only to help them solve
problems using all the knowledge of physics, materials, electricity, fluids, thermodynamics,
and various other subjects that must in their heads all come together. The vast majority of
engineering graduates from India will not be able to solve any real world problems.
There was a recent study that showed how many Indian engineering students are
employable. Majority of engineering graduates not employable: Experts
Clueless engineers: National Employability Report reveals how unemployable fresh
engineering graduates are
The problem with having to train graduates is that there are many with good marks
obtained by the usual methods, where learning a subject is not necessary, leave alone
knowing it well enough to apply what you know.
India has forgotten all about "scientific temper" and does not apply itself scientifically to
even the simplest problems it needs to solve. India's construction standards, for instance,
are well over fifty years old. With all the new materials available now, why not set new
standards? The USA's standards are upgraded sometimes more than once a year!
The vast majority of Indian engineering colleges produce herds that usually go
nowhere. Some years ago, they knew enough to be somewhat readily employed. Now, even
that is gone, and the numbers of graduates have increased. End result: Clueless mass of
people with useless degrees.
To clean the Ganges, Indian engineers could not come up with any sort of plan. So, India
had to call in some experts from Europe. To clean the Cooum river in Chennai, same thing.
Most of the "projects" that Indian engineering students put together as part of their
curriculum in order to graduate are simply copied from other colleges, who copied from
somewhere else. This whole "project" nonsense is a hypocritical racket.
There are exceptions, but a great number of the staff members in engineering colleges are
also uncaring people. Zero passion and just know how to spit out the "syllabus". They can
hardly get students enthused about the amazing things they should do as engineers.
India has no culture of innovation either. But there is no shortage of blowing their
horns. As soon as someone comes out with a functioning tablet, some stupid hype of an
"iPad killer" is sure to follow. Indian engineers in very small numbers can function at the
cutting edge of engineering and innovation.
For how long has India supported the damn Hindustan Aeronautics Limited? Well over 50
years. They have not made a single plane Air India or Indian Airlines can use. Forget about
the Indian Air Force. India has not made a single functional jet engine on its own
design. The engine that HAL came up with for the much touted LCA (Light Combat
Aircraft) simply did not produce the thrust to push the damn plane. So now, it's getting a
foreign engine! Why did India even waste its time with its engineers?
There are standouts like the ISRO, that has somehow managed to put together
interdisciplinary engineering teams for its successful space research and exploration
program. But on the other side of the coin, India's trains have gained only 10% in average
speed over the last thirty years.
Ashok Leyland and Tata have been making buses for a very long time and continue to do
so. Guess who makes the buses of choice on Indian roads today? Volvo and Mercedes
Benz. How hard can it be to make a fast, comfortable bus? Pretty hard, apparently.
India's engineers can work on very specific projects that someone else puts together, when
they are assigned specific tasks after training for those tasks. Taken fresh from college,
companies will be lucky if they don't burn the canteen and crash the elevator.
Written Apr 23, 2013 View Upvotes
Shridhar Kulkarni, Ungineer

3.8k Views
That it doesn't teach us to engineer requirements into products. It teaches us historic

precedent, and describes in annoying detail how something works, all the mathematical
tools used to reach that end state, but what it misses out is teaching design intent.
Engineering in essence, is a philosophy which says, "Give me a problem and I shall use
science, and my power of thinking to deduce a way to surmount it.".
As Aravind says here in another answer, we weren't taught to even think how to fix (or
make) stuff in our discipline.

I am a Mechanical Engineer and I work for a auto major, but I had to learn how to fix my car
from the mechanic around the corner.
Adhokshaj Mishra, Self taught developer

2.7k Views
About College Facility

1. Stone Age Software: A hell lot of colleges and universities are still using Turbo C++ for
their C and C++ courses. They don't even switch to gcc, which is open source and
available free of cost.
2. Old Hardware: You will find Pentium IV and Pentium III machines with 256/512 MB
RAM in so called CORE LAB. They have Core 2 Duo machines with 1 GB RAM in so
called ADVANCED LAB. Machines with 4/8/16/32 cores simply don't exist on this
planet. I have seen this in UIET, CSJMU Kanpur.
3. No Power Backup: Electricity failed? Lab is over, and you are free now.
4. Poor Maintenance: Machines will stop working every now and then. You are supposed
to shake/punch/tap (maybe throw?) them to restore their functionality.
5. Did you ask about cluster or HPC? What the hell is that??
About College Curriculum
1. Obsolete Books: They are using books published in 1992 (maybe 1994, I don't
remember exactly)
2. Books from local authors: Worst piles of pages I have ever seen. Tagging them as
"book" is insult of books. Do you want an example? Check the LET US C by Yashvant
Kanetkar. Total crap!!
3. Stone age technology: They are still stuck with C WITH CLASSES in era of C++11.
Compiler means Turbo C++. Source control is performed by making multiple copies of
code in a pen drive.
4. Lack of practical stuff: Nobody has used a debugger!!
About College Faculty
1. Crap faculty: Compiler means Turbo C++. When you use printf() for printing value of
variables, it is called debugging. You can profile your code by running it in loop, and
measuring the elapse time by a simple stopwatch (Dafaq is this?). Machine code written
for Core 2 Duo is not going to work on Intel i3 (afterall, machine code is machine
dependent). Compiler runs the compiled code. A O(n log n) algorithm is always better
than O(n^2) algorithm (in fact this depends upon constant factor associated with time
complexity).
Let us come to data structure:
Example of stack: stack of plates!
Example of queue: queue for getting a movie ticket
No real world examples from software universe.
List is endless.......
About College Students
College life is about parties, dates, getting lot of girlfriends, sleeping with a lot of babes, and
so on......
They took engineering because of their mom/dad/elder brother or sister.....or because they
will get a decent job somehow...
PS: Pick a final year CS/IT student at random. Chances are very high that (s)he will not be
able to write a FooBar code. (Input a no., if multiple of 5, print Foo, else print Bar).
About Society
As soon as a kid arrives in this world, his dad decides his future: (s)he will become a
doctor/engineer. Done!! Speaking against his decision is a punishable offense.
Written Nov 19, 2013 View Upvotes
Ramnath Ragunathan, Work in Progress. Blogs @ mindbloggerman.wordpress.com

3.5k Views
This is what I have observed from my experience.

1. Most students choose Engineering due to lack of awareness about career opportunities
rather than real passion. Students are expected to choose either medicine or engineering
after school. Engineering is the most common path.
2. Engineering is chosen because it is perceived as the safest bet to land a well paying
job and "settle" in life.
3. Engineering courses are ranked by students according to perceived placement
opportunities. For example, Electronics and Communication Engineering (ECE) was touted
as the most popular course in my time because if you study ECE, you could sit for
software as well as core jobs! An ECE seat in a mediocre college was considered better
than a not-so-mainstream course in a well-known college. Passion or interestalmost
never enters the picture.
4. Many students lose interest or realise that Engineering is not their cup of tea once
they enter college and start studying.
But I feel that this scenario is slowly changing nowadays.
Rishav Sen, curious

1.5k Views
Most students learn what to pursue in life AFTER their B.tech degree.
The major reason for joining an engineering college is: To have an easy academic life
and to get a well paying job with the least effort applied.
That is not how it works.
The Indian Engineering system is flawed and even, outflawed. Except for the top institutes,
the quality of graduates mass-produced is simply appalling. In fact, a large percentage of the
engineering undergraduates are unemployable, and this rate has been toppling down at
break-neck speeds.
There are lots of ways to analyze the problem. Ill set the main characters as Society, The
Student and the College.
Society: Society has always believed that engineering is one of the most noble careers to
pursue. True. That doesn't mean English honours or degrees in fine arts are worthless. Each
and every academic degree is vital to the Nation, and it's impact can be determined by how
we perceive. If you wish to show off to your neighbours "See, my daughter/son just got into
a engineering college (which becomes an MBA course after 6 years)", stop. If you're Keeping
up with the Joneses (that is comparison with you neighbour's lifestyle as a benchmark for
social class and achievement) then good luck. Compare your lives with others, and realize
how INTEGRITY and SELF-RESPECT flows out of your hands. People should not frown
upon, instead encourage everybody to strive for excellence.
The Student: The most confused organism on the planet. If brainwashing from everybody
else (who are equally brainwashed) wasn't enough, the lack of information, coupled with
laziness, fueled by procrastination are the painful sources of the future depression to be
faced. If the student has access to a proper library, a proper internet, then that is the
greatest source of information. Instead of updating Facebook statuses and being a couch
potato at home, a student can always learn, not memorize. Learning doesn't have to be
boring. it can be learning how to ride a bicycle, shopping for vegetables, playing an
instrument, visiting the local mechanic and find out how cars are fixed, meet and make new
friends, exploring the nearby surroundings, etc. The more you try out, the greater your
horizons expand, and the more you will find out about what you like and what you dislike.
Do not every study to get a good job when you grow up. THAT IS THE BULLSHIT WHICH
IS USED TO BRAINWASH. Yes, and this is true. You need to find out your own passions
and interests, your own flaws and strengths, Mummy and Daddy won't be able to spoonfeed you every little detail. Learn up (Not memorise) as much as you can when you're in
school. (Here I feel parents and teachers play a very important role in guidance) Gobble up
knowledge. Unfortunately you'll encounter crap subjects, but if you learn what you like and
what you love. Study on your own as much as you can. Learn to be independent, especially
from tutors and coaching centres. If you can manage on your own, take help and suggestion
from them, never depend completely on them. This is the hardest part. Prepare well for you
exam, and choose your stream wisely.
The College: C0ngrats, you've joined a college after clearing the multivaried exams and
courses. College is completely different as you're on your own, even if you are a day-boarder.
You'll actually fail really badly in college if you do not study, and can be swayed away by the
influence of friends. Most students join enigneering colleges to safety secure a job with
minimum effort. In a typical Indian Engineering College, the problems amplify, and you
face more difficulties.
Absolutely no application of knowledge: Memorize. Puke that on the test paper.

Forget everything the next day. Repeat. That is academics. If you write something
which is logically correct, but out of the box, congrats, you do not get your marks. Just
memorize pointless facts and data and graphs and diagrams and equations. You'll get a
9-point CGPA, but you'll never apply that knowledge.
College curriculum is outdated: A large majority of the colleges still follow the
course set up in the 90's. Books given to you will be SHIT. And your professor will
probably point out the important questions for the exams. The syllabus is massive and
you'll find yourself sitting on a pile of worthless books.
No proper infrastructure: Mechanical engineering without a proper machine shop.
Electronics and Telecommunication without a proper Electronic lab. Applies to all
branches. Not even a proper library, not even decent access to the internet. Computer
Labs with outdated Pentium 4 processors. And writing lab records is one of the
mysteries yet to be solved. No proper practicals, but a complete analysis of every tiny
screw, every tiny line of code, every tiny detail.
Classrooms: Personally, I find classrooms the greatest waste of time. Some teachers
are great, and I love attending their classes, some not-so-good, but its okay to attend.
Some teachers exist for reasons God knows. Absolutely shit, no proper knowledge,
equipped only with a written notes. They squeeze the life out of you with their
monotonous lectures, and you find that you would be better off not attending their
classes (But you need the goddamn attendance)
College life: It is focused on boozing, parties, getting girlfriends/boyfriends, racing
around with bikes, narcotics, fighting (to protect your branch's so called 'respect'). If
you try to get involved with a project, you'll be on your own. No financial support from
the institute, the academic support is worthless (may not be). The laptop is your
greatest friend, as every night is movie night. Counter Strike, Friends, The Game of
Thrones, DOTA or ganga, cigarettes and alcohol or maybe the mix of the two
catergories. No passion in finding out what you can do with you life. On top of that,
you'll be the laughing stock if you're every caught STUDYING for your exams 2 weeks
beforehand. And oh, the crowd. Filled with ego, medieval and backward thinking, no
interest in developing their skills. The crowd is a sad example of the effect of society
and being excessively pampered by their respective families.
Money: Engineering colleges (Private ones) are a business. It is okay because the
world's best universities are private universities, but they place service before self,
results and learning before the money. In India, not only private engineering colleges
want to squeeze every penny out of your pocket, they will increase the fees at a skyrocketing rate.
Mess food: Mess food is inedible. You cannot simply eat the food.
Scientific temper is a just a rumour.
Most engineers undergrads end up with poor grades, backpapers, zero skills, zero speaking
skills, heads filled with toxic mentalities, loads of useless facts, unemployable, no job offers.
All that binge never drove away the boredum, it only affected them and others. The ones
who really do wish to make a difference are overwhelmed by the whole scenario, and most
give in. Depression creeps in, because you realise you've wasted 4 years of the most fertile
years. That IT job doesn't console you, MBA seems like your only option to break away.
There are way too many negative aspects, but you have to strive, adapt, endure and survive
in the toxic environment. Life isn't caviar served on a silverspoon send from heaven, you
pave and construct your own future with your own bare hands. Engineers at ISRO, TIFR,
BITS Pilani (IITs and NITs, and many private colleges) are making a huge difference to the
country. You can too, you need to work really hard, and use the resources available.
Written Nov 30 View Upvotes
Naveen Rauthan, Engineer

1k Views
I have a send a mail to HRD ministry and HRD minister smriti irani,if anyone want to
support me and want to stop fraud in engineering education support me or send mail in
HRD ministry website.
How Engineering Culture in our Country has reached the sky but Engineers
still digging.
I have some points which I would like to discuss them with you:
1.There are more than 5000 engineering colleges in India and I can say by experience of
many people that there is no practical culture in most or you can say more than 70% of
colleges. Insteadthere is not even a proper laboratory installed in most of them. I dont know
how AICTE has given them approval to run Engineering Courses which require practical
knowledge alongside Theoretical knowledge.
2. Many of these Engineering Colleges are run by Property Dealers or some Mafia or to be
precise some Goons who appoints faculty on the basis of how less they demand the salary
not on their qualification or method to teach which eventually ruins the career of student.
3. Ultimately a student paying a fee of Rs 2 Lakh per annum is just getting frustration and
a Degree which may or may not fetch him/her a job in near future (in many cases it doesnt).
4. The curriculum of an Engineering college frankly does not involve any innovation or
creation apart from creating Assignments which of course the respected subjects faculty
knows where it has come from.
5. The education in India has not changed from past 3 or 4 decades. The same goes in
Engineering, Books and syllabus which were introduced in 90s are still being used where
the technology has taken over every stream. If asked to recall, a faculty who has been
teaching from 90s doesnt need a book to refer anything not because they are knowledgeable
about the subject. Its because its been 25 years they have been teaching same thing every
year. So, I guess even a parrot can be a faculty.
6. Saddest partis when students dont find any interest in academics, it is when they try to
indulge in other sorts of activities such as smoking, consumption of Alcohol, Drugs and even
betting and what not.
7. The irony is, Firstly students who tends to gain some knowledge and work to fulfill their
dreams goes abroad to work and gain a better future, then we ask those particular countries
to provide us technology to fulfill our nations need. We are willing to pay Crores of Dollars
for the same technology which can also be created in our very own country by the people
who leave their very own nation just for the sake of better future.
8. IITians who are our star, well they deserve to be because they studied hard to get into
IIT. But what after that? Studying on scholarships and at such a lower fee they get into some
multinational company and when an opportunity comes to work in foreign, not even a
second thought strike their mind. Just one question arises here, why they should be given an
opportunity to study with such fewer fees when all they are going to do is leave country for
their own sake. In fact the scholarships and subsidy in education which is provided to them
is the money of the tax payers who are paying their taxes and working in their own country.
Instead before leaving the country they should be asked for double the money.
9. We seriously need to have a change since everything in this country depends upon an
Engineer from Agriculture to Technology.
10. We havent seen a big invention in our country from past several decades apart from a
Mars mission which is surely to be proud of. Apart from that I cant recall anything big
which we have discovered or invented or created. It is not that we dont have that manpower
or people with vision or an ability of creation. Just because these people wants to break out
of this corruption or to be precise there-is-no-future-here-culture and all they do is then
develop, invent, create for that country which instead they could have done for their own
country.
11. Frankly speaking, if we want this country to develop, we are going to need people like
our beloved Dr. APG Abdul Kalam Sir, who are willing to stay and develop their own
country.
Finally I would just like to say, that I myself being a Mechanical engineer having 3 years of
experience in Construction Industry have done many projects under Indian Defence Forces
be it Army, Air Force or Navy. Ive been to many places, but after seeing the condition of
HAL premises in Bangalore I was in shock too saw the working condition of HAL. After
working for 3 years in almost every part of India I decided to quit my job and pledged to
seek a solution for engineering students and to create a culture so that students who wants
to pursue engineering can foresee their future to be bright and and that too by living in their
own country. To seek a solution I worked and studied all prospects of engineering in detail,
which lead me to a plan on How Engineering Colleges should work on their academics and
schedules. I tried to reach out to some colleges and shared my plan with them. But all I get
in reply is The schedule and syllabus and every other thing is set by AICTE or UGC and
some even tell is by Government and we are happy to work like we are told to do. Many
Institutes Chancellors and Vice Chancellors even told me that we have no interest in
students future. Instead we are here to provide degree in return of the fee provided by a
student.
Updated Aug 30, 2015 View Upvotes
Batsal Choudhary
2k Views
Most of the engineering colleges in India do not have the proper infrastructure, eligible
faculties & productive training & placement system. As a student, one expects these
minimum requirement to be in place but they come to know the truth only after they get
registered for college
Pavithran Pavi, Amateur everything

1.9k Views
(About engineering 'education' in India):

Here is something that happened in our class last week:Our test's answer scripts were distributed after being graded by the professor.
Student: Sir, I have written the answer properly, but why wasn't I given what I deserve.
Prof: Here's the book we follow for this course. Locate that sentence you've written, in the
book, and I'll give you what you ask for.
Student: Sir, I have combined these two sentences and have written it properly only.
Prof: No no no no no.... why did you do that? Don't do all that.. Otherwise, you won't get the
marks...
Sravan Kumar, A proud Indian

1.4k Views
Tamil Nadu has a hell lot engineering colleges. There are people from other states who do
not qualify in the engineering entrance exam of their state, but can anytime become an
engineer by joining any of the colleges in TN. I am not against more people becoming
engineers. I am just saying the credibility and the value of engineering has plunged thanks
to the colleges. Also, not all colleges in TN are bad. You have IIT-M,SRM,Anna,Sastra... but
then there are colleges affiliated to some of the best universities which create a scenario of
messing up the entire image of the university thanks to them taking in students, who do not
understand the value of the degree but still pursue the degree just for the sake of it. This has
to change for engineering to gain back its lost sheen.
Aravind Chandrasekaran
2.1k Views
If you take my Electrical Engineering there's one sad truth. I was never taught to fix the TV
or even think about how to fix if it fails. Much to the consternation of my mom after 4 years
of Engineering her son can't fix the tv and get her soap running. What a shame.
Updated Apr 19, 2013 View Upvotes
Abhishek Panda, electrical undergrad @NITR

943 Views
A teacher never teaches you for knowledge , you are only taught for your exams and their
salary.
A girl will always be preferred over you in every aspect of engineering...be it placement or
grades or recommendation.
Written May 12, 2015
Praveen Sharma
231 Views
cram texts ;
Puke the same in Exam
------> (1)
{
if ((your_Answer.is.OutofBox()) && logic=true)
{ impression="You don't know a shit";
marks =0;
}
if(yourTexts_match_the ones_in_book())
{ impression="Wow You must be an einstein";
marks=full-1;
}
}
repeat (1) ; (upto 4 years , 8 sem)

At the end you'll be an engineer......
Written Jan 28 View Upvotes
Ankit Gupta, Amazon, Software Development Engineer

1.6k Views
Read this somewhere on facebook :

In India, people choose their profession after becoming engineers.
Written Jun 23, 2014 View Upvotes
Anonymous
1.5k Views
Your 10th %, your 12% , your GPA

-The things you, your family and ur relatives give so much importance to.
DOESN'T MATTER.
Though many of us fail to acknowledge this , but the only thing that matters is
yourcognizance and your problem solving skills :)
Anonymous
980 Views
In India, Engineering has become like a big Public Toilet where people outside are desperate
to get in while people inside are dying to finish and come out.
Read it somewhere.
Written Feb 27, 2015 View Upvotes
Anonymous
995 Views
Just that if somebody studied science in school has to continue with Engineering to earn
some respect and good image from society, where more than 90% of the people don't even
know what Engineering is all about. Purely run with the crowd.
Written Jan 27, 2015 View Upvotes
Radhakrishna Lambu
1.4k Views
Problems galore:
- Engineers stick to a particular branch and then pass out from that branch, and don't get
work in that field.
- Scope of the branch which is defined by the high paying job.
I cannot understand that why information engineer should have knowledge on electronics
or mechanical system, and also on Economics. Real engineer is a problem solver and
sometimes, invents a new thing, not written in any books and not limited to that domain of
work. But in India, Engineering means something else.
Written May 7, 2015 View Upvotes
Mayuresh Revankar
792 Views
BEFORE JOINING ANY COLLEGE SOME IMPORTANT THINGS NEED TO BE

KNOWN........1.U SHOULD BE TECH SALVY MEANS U SHOULD KNOW EVERYTHING
IN COMPUTERS.LIKE BASIC STUFF LIKE SCANNING,PRINTING,XEROXING..........IT
WILL HELP U MANAGE YOUR TIME..GIVE PRIME IMPORTANCE TO VIVA..SCORE
WELL THEIR...BUILD A RAPPO WITH UR TEACHERS..IT WILL HELP U IN
VIVA'S...LEARN PEOPLE MANAGEMENT SKILLS..........ONCE U ENTER THE CORPRORATE WORLD..MAKE SURE U HAVE A GODFATHER BEHIND U......OR U WILL
FALL BACK BCOS........CORE COMPANIES INVOLVE A LOT OF PEOPLE SO IF U WANT
UR WORK 2 BE NOTICED U NEED A GODFATHER WHO WILL DIRECT U...............OR
PLACE U IN THE RIGHT JOB...........
Interesting facts from these studies:
91.82% of the students lacked programming and algorithm related skills
71.23% of the students lacked soft and cognitive skills
60% of the students lack domain skills (example civil engineering, mechanical engineering etc)
97% of the students cannot speak English which is required for getting a IT job
57.96% of students lacked analytical and quantitative skills
61% of students possess grammar skills which is almost equal to a class 7th student
Only 7.1% of students can speak English which is considered as meaningful, and presentable
during an interview
The major problem was witnessed with pronunciation, followed by fluency skills, grammar and
sentence construction. Understanding spoken English and vocabulary showcased less problems
Girls had better command over written English, while men were more proficient with spoken
English (comparably)
Providing a possible explanation for these shocking results, Aspiring Minds CEO & Co-founder
Himanshu Aggarwal said, The low employability among engineering graduates is a cumulative
outcome of poor education standards andhigher demand of skilled employees thereby
creating a drastic skill gap in the country,
Ravi Kandukuri
Director at Proton Informatics India Pvt Ltd
nonsense article..... americans doesnt use grammer in their english. If an enginners leans so many
skills what is the package that the industry can offer. it will be less than the earnings of a pawn
dabbawala in a busy center. The positive way deriving conclusion to your research is 97% of
engineers doesnt want to learn english to become employees. Those who are denied opportunities
they will become enterprenuers.
3311Unknown60 days ago
There are two requirements : 1. All students are to be put through a work oriented period for two
years for a diploma and after qualifying in that only they should be allowed to do another three years
for Engineering degree.2.There is an engineering college in Tamil Nadu run by an Ex- Politician with
so many temples at the entrance, but without qualified Professors. All such Quasi- Colleges are to
be not only closed, but their originators jailed.
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Sachchidanand Singh3850 RADHAKRISHNAN PATTATHKanpur60 days ago
The quality of education in most of engineering colleges are extremely poor. The career of lacs of
students are in peril and it is wastage of money by students. The govt must stop opening of substandard engineering colleges and their standard of teaching `should be periodically checked. In
Karnataka, most of engineering colleges are run by politicians for money only where quality of
education is extremely poor.
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muralidhar chaturvedi449 Sachchidanand SinghBangalore59 days ago
what about on line or extranal degree awarded by Mysore University
What is the Solution?

The institutions and employers have to work together and make changes to the curriculum so that
it meets the needs of the industries. The institutions need to focus on quality on students rather
than quantity. The traditional methods of teaching have to be done away with in this era of
internet, information and technology. Professionals and experienced engineers from the industry
should be included in the faculty or as special instructors so that the students get a real time
experience and knowledge of the industry.
For Students
Where these changes needs to be applied to the education system as a whole, students can work
on their part to make themselves employable in this competitive and fast changing economy.
Here are some guidelines which can be followed to seek jobs as engineers:
1. Score well: Your scores are your first impression (although both You and I would hate it!). Most
of the companies filter out the resumes in the first stage comparing the scores. So, your obvious
first step in getting a job as an engineer would be to score high marks in your exams.
2. Bring originality to your resume: Most of the candidates prepare their resume looking at the
resume of their seniors or friends or following the format given on internet. As a result, most of
the resumes on the table of the HR manager look alike. Your resume should reflect your
individuality and making it different would draw the attention of the employers.
3. Get some training and practical experience: The projects and training modules that are done
in engineering colleges are primarily useless and when the graduates look for jobs as freshers,
they neither have skills nor confidence to carry out any project independently. You can pursue a
free course at Coursera or take up online paid courses for web development or mobile app
development where you can create a real world project. If you have time, it would be a good idea
to join some company in your vacations to get real time experience and training.
4. Build your expertise: the major trend among engineering students is joining short term courses
and trying to collect more and more certificates during their vacations. As a result, what we get,
are half-baked engineers who are neither good in their own discipline nor do they have in-depth
knowledge in the courses they join. It is better to specialize in one particular field than being a
jack of all trades. Determine your goal and work towards it.
5. Stay informed: The economy is changing rapidly, so are the needs of the industry. You need to
be aware of the current trends and requirements. Mere theoretical knowledge and academic skills
will not help the graduates obtain employment. They have to acquire new skills to maintain their
sustainability.
6. Work on your confidence and communication skills: Honing up your communication skills is
very important as it is as important to convince your employer about your skills as it is to
develop your skills. Again, as an employment seeking graduate, you need to work on your
confidence to impress your employer and to grab opportunities as they come by.
Without being preachier, I would like to say that most of the ideas listed above worked for me
and my peers. It may be easy to blame the government for poor infrastructure or question the
quality of teaching in the institutions. However, the real solution lies with each one of you
and depends on howproactive are you are with your life. There is no dearth of jobs. All you
need is to focus on your all round development as an engineer and jobs will follow you.
For Institutions and Government

Given the dearth of quality faculty and curriculum gap between Industry and Academia, Rajesh
Kasturirangan in his article mentioned that Technology will be an answer to building capacity.
He rightly pointed out that pure online MOOCs may not be a silver bullet for Higher Education.
In addition to two suggestions by him (Training as industrial scale and central campus model), I
have few more suggestions:
1. Rich content vetted by Industry: eLearning content is one of the major contributors for driving
online education. In order to steer student engagement and improve the overall learning
experience, usage of rich content (with rich media content, indexed content) which is frequently
updated by industry professionals will have an edge over static textbooks
2. Analytics-driven platform: In order to focus on individualization and customized courses for

students, the next generation of LMS platforms should run on artificial intelligence based
predictive analytics which will be adaptive to a students lesson plan.
3. Blended Learning: Blended Learning flips the present classroom setup where online MOOCs
should be coupled with classroom sessions (physical or virtual). This would do away with the
constraints of faculty.
4. Enable faculty reach: The institutions should provide training sessions for teachers which
would enable them to conduct online delivery/ virtual classes. These trained teachers can teach a
larger number of students effectively.
It is time where we choose a learning-centric system rather than examination or assessmentcentric system so that the learners are allowed to select subjects based on their interests and
pursue it to completion. This will enhance the skills-based education delivery and drive true
employability at scale.
[About the author: Rishabh Bhandari is the Co-Founder at Yoda Learning, a start-up focused on
teaching in-demand technologies using projects (MOOCs) to people across the world to make
them employable. Prior to this he was part of the Investment Team at an Education-focused fund.
Rishabh is an avid traveler and a music enthusiast. You can reach him at
rishabh(dot)bhandari(at)ymail.com]
Not knowing the basics Ashish got thrown out of the interview when he was shown a Vernier calliper and he
called it a screw gauge. A mid-sized company had come to his engineering college in Bhopal to recruit fresh
graduates. But the interview began on a bad note. Realisation soon dawned on Ashish that his four years in
the college and the lakhs his family had spent on his education had been a total waste. Not the one to be
deterred, he used those years to good advantage when film maker Prakash Jha came to the city to shoot for
Aarakshan: Ashish brought in the extras - students from his college.
Learning by rote In one of the several engineering colleges that have come up in the outskirts of Chennai,
Sentahmizh studies mechanical engineering. He hails from Ariyalur, a small town in southern Tamil Nadu, and
admits that he doesn't understand a word of what his teachers say, learns by rote and studies just enough to
pass. He can't speak English. The college, when he was seeking admission, had spun fantastic tales about
multinational corporations falling over each other to recruit its students. Sentahmizh suspects that might
never happen. He may soon join the ranks of unemployed engineers.
A few days ago, PurpleLeap, a Pearson and Educomp company, released the findings of its survey of 34,000
students from 198 engineering colleges across the country: only one out of ten graduates from Tier 2, 3 and 4
colleges is readily employable, and one-third are unemployable even after training. The survey, mind you,
was restricted to students who had done well academically.
How employers are hit The tab for the poor output has to be picked up by the employers. IT companies,
according to analysis done by Nasscom and Evalueserve, spend $1.2 billion every year on training. Had the
engineering schools done their job properly, this money would go straight to their bottom-line. If you have
invested in IT stocks, this should worry you. Tata Consultancy Services, India's largest provider of IT services,
spends 2 per cent of its turnover ($10 billion in 2011-12) on training. It is now investing Rs 1000 crore in a
training facility for 15,000 people in Thiruvananthapuram. Infosys's Mysore campus has trained 100000 fresh
graduates so far, at a cost of $6000-7000 per employee. That's a whopping $600-700 million knocked out of
the company's profits over ten years. Incidentally, the campus started with a module of 14 weeks which got
extended to 17 weeks and now stands at 23 weeks. 'There is definitely a gap between what they study in
college and the skills they need at work,' says Infosys Senior Vice-president & Group Head (education &
research) Srikantan Moorthy.
Privately funded boom Shantanu Prakash, the managing director of Educomp Solutions, says that there was a
shortage of engineers in the country a few years back and that precipitated a mad scramble amongst
businessmen, big and small, to set up engineering colleges. 'And now, all of a sudden, there is a glut,' he says.
From almost zero a few years ago, private colleges own almost 92 per cent of the engineering seats in the
country - such has been the rush. There are 35 colleges in Bhopal alone. In Madhya Pradesh, there are 200
engineering colleges with over 100000 seats on offer. The state that has seen maximum growth is Andhra
Pradesh - it has 671 private colleges that offer 320000 seats.
Hardly a deterrent Engineering education is regulated by the All India Council for Technical Education (AICTE).
It has a fairly stringent check list that all engineering colleges need to fulfill: not less than 2.5 acres of land,
not more than 300 students per acre, corpus of at least Rs 1 crore for operational expenses, student-teacher
ratio of not more than 15, student-personal-computer ratio of at least 4, etc. But that's hardly proved a
deterrent. Setting up an engineering college can cost upwards of Rs 15 crore, depending on real estate prices,
and payback happens in seven years. On the other hand, the demand will never see a slowdown. Indian
parents, it is universally acknowledged, never flinch before spending large sums of money on their children's
education. Higher education in India is immensely valued. That explains the glut.
Touts to get students And it's severe. Of the 320000 seats in Andhra Pradesh, says an education consultant
based in Hyderabad, more than 120000 will go vacant this year. In Maharashtra, 30000 of the 110000 seats
on offer went vacant last year; this year, the number is expected to climb to 40000. Some colleges have
appointed touts to get students. We contacted two such agents, one in Ghaziabad and one in Mumbai, to
secure admission in some reputed engineering colleges in Delhi and Pune. The admission was guaranteed,
albeit at the cost of a few lakh rupees. Some engineering schools are ready to shut down and cut their losses,
and quite a few are up for sale. Though AICTE reduced the minimum marks required in Class XII, to be eligible
for admission in an engineering college, from 50 per cent to 45 per cent in 2010-11, it hasn't helped - there
are no takers for a large number of seats. Moved obviously by the plight of these colleges, the Maharashtra
government wrote to AICTE earlier this year not to approve any new college in the state. Still, AICTE has given
its nod to 11 new engineering colleges!
No mood to relent AICTE is actually in no mood to relent. Shankar S Mantha, its chairman, is convinced the
country needs more engineering colleges. 'Given the low gross enrolment ratio of India (18-20 per cent),
there is a need to make available more higher education opportunities for this huge chunk of students who
remain outside the system,' says he. It is only two years later that the council will revisit the issue - that's how
long it takes to build an engineering college - when the colleges approved now will be up and running.
Besides, says he, some redundancy needs to be built into the capacity as some streams lose favour and
others gains currency. Mantha is convinced that engineering colleges will run out of seats once Indian
students who go abroad to study prefer to do so in India. 'Even in the US, the top six or seven management
institutes are all full; but in some of the better institutes, around 50 per cent of the seats are vacant. I expect
in another year or so the entire sector will undergo a sea change and you will find more institutes will be
needed,' he says.
Rock-bottom quality In the bargain, the quality has hit rock bottom. The Aspiring Minds employability study
had found that states with fewer engineering colleges produced more employable engineers. There is
therefore an inverse correlation between quantity and quality. Prakash of Educomp says that it is a highly
regulated sector where colleges often cut corners to stay afloat. AICTE fixes the admission norms, the fees
that colleges can charge and the salaries they can pay their teachers. 'It's a business where the input costs as
well as the output costs are controlled,' says Prakash who runs an engineering college in Greater Noida. As a
result, the infrastructure of many new colleges is poor and the faculty inexperienced. Worse, everybody
involved seems to acknowledge it. 'Do they (the new engineering colleges) have trained and skilled faculty to
teach modern courses,' Madhya Pradesh's director of technical education, Arun Nahar, asks. Several schools
have hired those former students as teachers who failed to get jobs outside. Badam Singh Yadav, who runs
the IES Colllege of Technology in Bhopal, says most of his time is spent grappling with government rules and
solving the 'petty' issues of his students. 'Does anybody care,' he says with fair bit of irritation, 'that most of
our students come from a rural background?'
Short on soft skills Engineering students in Chennai say the teachers often lack the motivation to help them
out. Apart from technical knowledge, most graduates are woefully short on soft skills. Wipro, says Senior
Vice-president & Global Head (workforce planning & development) Deepak Jain, runs a 12-week course for
fresh graduates to upgrade their technical as well as soft skills. Ajoy Mukherjee, the global head of human
resources at TCS, finds that engineering graduates lack soft skills such as the ability to work in a team and
communicate effectively more than technical knowledge. The company's three-month training programme,
which every recruit has to undergo, looks to address these gaps, and focuses on converting students to
professionals, says Mukherjee. 'The inability to communicate is a serious concern, especially not being able to
talk in English, form grammatically correct sentences, etc. When 94 per cent of your revenue comes from
overseas, it is essential that you know how to communicate in English,' he says.
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India. According to the All India Council for Technical Education in India (AICTE), approximately 4.4
lakh students were enrolled in Engineering Institutions in the year 2004-05.1
According to the AICTE handbook, the number of engineering institutions approved in 2006-07 was
1511. The compound annual growth of these engineering institutions over the last 60 years is 9.4% and
the ten years from 1997 to 2007 saw a further spurt in their growth to about 17%.
Management and business education
The scene in the management institutes and business schools is no different. India has close to 1100
management institutes.2 Of these, about 25% are the top business schools, which have provided the
leadership band in most leading companies today. In the last decade, the country has witnessed a
phenomenal growth in enrolment in management education. The current intake stands at roughly
92,000, with the majority of the students enrolled in private management colleges.
Youth and employment
The overall unemployment rate in India as per the CIA World Factbook shows an alarming increase from
8.8% in 2003 to an estimated 10.7% in 2010. What are the employment opportunities for this increasing
number of educated youth from our engineering and management institutes in India today? What is
their employability quotient? The realization that mere 25% of graduates in India today are
employable (Mercer Consulting) provides disturbing evidence that there seems to be serious lacunae
between what the industry needs and what our education system provides.
From What the education system focuses on

The IT education system today still focuses on providing knowledge and technical skills and believes
that Knowledge is power. While institutes focus on building more and more teaching and laboratory
capabilities that hone the skills of the students, little attention is given to honing the basic skills that
are needed by the industry.
At the entry level, the standard selection methods focus on academic accomplishment as the basic
criteria for selection by using a combination of examination results and entrance test scores. This
ensures that from the beginning, the best students would emerge from the academically bright
section.
The teachers continue to teach using traditional methods of pedagogy, which does not lend itself to
students learning new ways of presenting and assimilating information. The teaching methods also do
not give adequate exposure to industry practices and environments. Even areas like business
communication, business research, management consulting and organizational behaviour are taught
through formal methods of instruction in most business schools!
More than everything else, the standards and criteria that academia use to measure success in schools
and colleges are very far from what the industry uses as a benchmark for good performance.
What industry requires

Knowledge and skills are only half the requirement when it comes to a fit in the corporate world. The
reality of todays organizations is so different from the outdated ideas that are imparted by formal
education. Students do not use what they learn in colleges directly at the place of work. The education
provided must be deciphered in the context of the organizational requirements.
When graduates enter the corporate world, what is required of them is the ability to communicate
across all levels, the ability to seek and find information from different sources, the skills development
in presenting ideas and concepts both in a visual and verbal medium (the use of PowerPoint and the
presentation skills to convince the audience of an idea).
Above all, students are at a severe disadvantage when it comes to building and maintaining formal
work relationships. The relationship between the teacher and student is one of knowledge provider
and knowledge seeker and the one between friends is informal and rarely purposive. This provides
them very little opportunity to learn ways to nurture formal relationships.
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The bridge
The only way to address this gap between industry and academia is to build strong bridges between the
two, starting from the selection of students. The selection processes should replicate actual
recruitment processes and focus on all round development. This is not to suggest that academic
accomplishment should be ignored. Rather, the areas for development should be identified right at the
time of selection and should be based on a holistic understanding of the individual.
Once in, the students should be given an IT education that focuses on knowledge, technical skills and
soft skills, with a clear focus on communication, presentation and relationship management. This can
only be done by building strong partnerships between the industry and the academia.
Some progressive institutions have already started building these bridges by creating positions for
industry experienced faculty. However, this is not complete solution, since taking them away from
corporate environment will also deprive them from being a part of changing corporate practices. This
again leads to institutions teaching outdated knowledge and skills.
What needs to be built is a vibrant, continuous partnership, where there is constant exchange of ideas
between the industry and the academia. This will truly become a bridge when a symbiotic relationship
is built between the two when corporations derive use from the conceptual frameworks provided by
institutions and institutes remain competitive and cutting-edge by providing industry-focused
education.
From the industry, this will mean creating avenues for providing mentoring support for students,
forming advisory boards that work with institutions in continuously refining the curriculum according to
industry requirements, creating internship opportunities for students, using educational institutions as
a think tank for business challenges and inviting academics to teach them more formal organizational
processes.
From the academia, this will mean creating interactive education programmes that use industry
experience to teach academic concepts, provide learning opportunities for corporate executives, invite
successful professionals to be on the board of the institutions, create courses that are in line with
corporate expectations and integrate student assessments with corporate expectations.
Conclusion
While both corporations and academia starting to recognize the reality today, it remains to be seen
who will make the first convincing step to achieve the integration. The role that governments can play
in this process is to be the regulator of education in the country. Clear guidelines and policies that
encourage the growth of modern, high class institutes are imperative. This will ensure that as a
country, we provide youth who are able to compete in the global scenario.
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notepoli7 Guest 2 months ago
This is because of more colleges in those state, There any one with poor education record
can become Engineer now a days. Bihar doesn't have so many colleges so there is tough
competition in getting admission to engineering colleges and only good students can join
those colleges.
Also with less number of engineers those states of have good opportunities for whatever
engineers they have.
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notepoli7 Guest 2 months ago
You doubted stats because it was showing Bihar in good light, I only gave
reason for it, I don't care If Bihar should have more colleges or not.
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Curious Human Guest 2 months ago
This questions proofs your thought process ... we are discussing stats and
you ...
must be an engineer from karnatka r andhra ??
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iLoveTea Guest 2 months ago
It looks like you have some much muck filled in your head. get a
life dude. Narayanmurthy is as great as he is, remember he started
Infy in Pune and moved to Karnataka because of the grant provided
by K govt.. To put your point in perspective if i am not wrong,
engineers coming out of BIT Mesra, NIT Jamshedpur or ISM don't
need your stamp of approval. They are as good as any from other
states. Wait for some more years, you will surely be hearing more
of Bihari-Jharkhandi Entrepreneurs.
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Curious Human Guest 2 months ago
strange criteria ....

any ways just google..
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Abhi Guest 2 months ago
CNN-IBN's main job is to promote hindi speaking belt. So its not a surprise.
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Curious Human Abhi 2 months ago
Dude quality of engineers produced by India is better then that of US ... same
analogy here.. bihar has huge population and very less resource. those who make it
are great.
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iLoveTea Curious Human 2 months ago
"Dude quality of engineers produced by India is better then that of US"

Are you serious ??
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Jai Curious Human 2 months ago
Correct analogy
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J. Andrew PJ Kumar Guest 2 months ago
There is nothing to doubt the accuracy of the survey. I am from TN, but living in North. I
find that students with very low marks entering Engineering colleges in TN and AP.
Whereas in Bihar only the best enters Engineering. Many of those who enter Engineering
college in TN will not be able to go beyond 12th standard had they were born in Bihar.
This anomalous situation has arisen due to commercialization of Engg education in TN by
opening large number of Engg colleges. There are nearly 600 Engineering colleges in TN,
but only 20 in Bihar. This accounts for the intake of students with low merit in TN leading
to production of poor quality Engineers. . No doubt, by percentage wise Bihar is producing
more employable Engineers than TN and AP. But in numeric terms, TN and AP must be
having more employable Engineers.
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iLoveTea J. Andrew PJ Kumar 2 months ago
Agree fully with you, what we are talking here is in Percentage not the absolute
numbers. Great Rejoined J. Andrew PJ Kumar. You nailed it.
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Plutarch Guest 2 months ago
Yo Mo Fol!!! Your b@lls is burning... If it wasn't for corrupt south bureaucrats and your
strong tamil group-ism, there would not have so many companies originating from TN.
Anyways most of you guys are Software Services guys not Software Developers :)
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Plutarch Guest 2 months ago
Tu laga... News padke toh Tera jala...
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Raghavan Krishnan 2 months ago
Go ahead with more reservations and concessions for poor mark scoring people based on
class......The employability will fall further.... imagine, if this is for engineers, what is the
employability for doctors graduating from India...All our lives are under risk, it should be
remembered............Please give concessions and reservations based on class provided marks are not
compromised. ...perhaps a couple of percentage points for reserved category could be a concession.
......Anything beyond will drown our education system badly....
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Raghavan Krishnan Guest 2 months ago
getting a degree at minimum marks only makes them unemployable engineers.....
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Raghavan Krishnan Guest 2 months ago
agreed
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Indian 2 months ago
Getting an Engineering degree in Bihar is quite difficult given the low number of colleges it has and
the cut throat competition to get admission through the combined entrance test.. . when I joined by B
Tech course in 2001, there were only 6 govt and 1 private engineering college , I somehow got a govt
quota seat in the sole private college after securing a rank of 735..Annual Fee being Rs 8000..
whereas states like Karnataka, Maharashtra etc had 80-90 colleges each and whoever appeared in the
combined entrance test of Karnataka or Maharashtra was able to get a seat in these colleges.. thats
why in UPSC IES(Engg Srvc Exam) and major PSU's , the success rate of engg grads from Bihar is
quite high..
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Chandra J 2 months ago
Looks like a carefully drafted report to boost the representation of Northern states in IT Industry.
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Curious Human Chandra J 2 months ago
hmmm
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IAF101 2 months ago
This report is bogus - what are these "employability" factors that they these people are talking about
? They should clearly give out what parameters they are using for "employability".
They should give what is the factor that is lacking - is it "subject knowledge", "soft skills" , "English
proficiency" etc . Otherwise anybody can say X or Y is "unemployable" .
No Engineering college will teach you how to use Excel or Matlab or other tools - does not mean
people are unemployable.
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Raman V.R IAF101 2 months ago
This the problem. Engineers need not know Excel or Mat lab. They should know at least
how to replace a blown electric fuse. I am witness to a situation where many ladies and
children were suffering electric supply failure for hours in a house in Chennai. An electrical
engineering graduate was among them. But he was helpless not knowing how to replace the
fuse. All waiting for an electrician to arrive. I a 70+ man replaced the fuse in a jiffy.
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pradeep 2 months ago
half of the iitians are just from one state and they are not from north india..
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Plutarch pradeep 2 months ago
You are delusional...
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pradeep Plutarch 2 months ago
I know who is it.. Check the facts
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Plutarch pradeep 2 months ago
The two states of Telangana and Andhra Pradesh could still be national
'rank-holders' in IIT admissions, but their 'in-house' count of IIT-ians has
slipped drastically over the years. From an impressive 4,975 students
walking into the premier engineering institutes in 2014, the number has
dropped to a modest 1,546 this year. In 2013, the figure stood at a high
3,698.
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Plutarch Plutarch 2 months ago
Good performance in one year doesn't prove anything... Genius...
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Sundar 2 months ago
we are already seeling the fate of engineers in Tamilnadu, UGC and AICTE to take note with regard
to giving approvals. A joke in Tamilnadu, " wanted Parotta master salary Rs 20,000 with
accomodation, another employer " wanted fresh engineers salary Rs 6000, how does it sound
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INteresting!! 2 months ago
Companies who take there lorries to colleges in TN & AP for recruitment. Think twice now>>>
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scare tactic 2 months ago
even 20% seem to be an exaggerated figure

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iLoveTea scare tactic 2 months ago
I agree.
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Indian 2 months ago
To this I agree to some extent .. Please share the % of engineers from Reservation Employability to
OC % Employability. This is a pure fault of the so called Congress .. If we take the case of Andhra
Congress govt added approx. 300+ Colleges and out of them most of the colleges has 50 %
occupancy and these colleges are buying the SC / ST Intermediate student certificates to show that
they are studying and claiming the scholarship from government . Congress Pushed the country 50
years back with its lack of vision and pure vote bank plitics
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Md Saifullah shadif 2 months ago
Just chill guys... Bihar has regularly produced masterminds despite of lack of opportunities, from
rajendra Prasad to till present. And will continue producing the same.
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Manish 2 months ago
I feel the survey is correct.

Bihar-Jharkhand still produces Engineers from the miniscule number of State-funded Engineering
Colleges, with the number of Engineering Colleges in private sector almost none. As the folks
entering these colleges are slightly better, thats why their employability is also higher.
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Jai 2 months ago
The survey is correct. Biharis are hard working and have good IT skills. I am Bihari working in IT
industry and recruiting IT engineers for my company. People can easily see the differences. Because
of excessive colleges and lack of competition IT engineers from southern states lacking skills now a
days. Govt should take a note of this and should provide better educational environment and catch
those Who are doing only business in name of education
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arnab chakraborty 2 months ago
It's only because of good ICSE schools in Bihar and Jhakhand.

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Devasahayam 2 months ago
Probably a survey done by waste-candidate Northerners with "speak Hindi" weighted heavily as part
of the employability (those of Bihar speak the language as natives -- "pure" Hindi is specifically
dialect spoken in Siwan District, no coincidence -- and those of Jharkhand are cent-percent familiar
with it).
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Interesting time for other states to step up the gas ..AP and Telangana need to find a way to improve
quality of education in many private colleges that have been opened up
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Hum Lallan Bol Rahe Hain 2 months ago
UP is in the top percentile, by mistake they put it in bottom

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iLoveTea Hum Lallan Bol Rahe Hain 2 months ago
No, UP is in the bottom percentile because of mushrooming of colleges indiscriminately.

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Siva Balakrishnan 2 months ago
Absolute non-sense...TN, Andhra, Karnataka and Maharashtra are the top in the country. And with
all due respect to Biharians, it in no way can be better than the above mentioned states. If that is the
case why no robust economy in Bihar? May be because of Lalu and Nitish.
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Pitcharan Siva Balakrishnan 2 months ago
Having spent EIGHT years in Bihar - Jharkhand, I disagree with you Siva. Biharis are both
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Jai Siva Balakrishnan 2 months ago
Siva,
It is not about economy. I agree entrepreneur environment is southern are better, on other
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I think its is based on the fact of campus interviews held ... if it is just the parameter its wrong. they
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Finally some good news for Biharis
Asati_Surbhi over 3 years ago
the data nd result givev are damnly true but how the students are responsible for alll these things
because if institutes do not provide any quality in education, students never show satisfactory results
1. Its not the Quality of Education that has fallen but Quantity of Employment Opportunities that has dried
up which led to 80% of Engineering grads doing odd jobs.
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^^ You are missing the point. The article says that 80% are unemployable, not unemployed. It means that
even when there are opportunities, these people do not have the skills worthy enough to get employed.
The only companies which have no problems hiring are the IT services biggies which focus on quantity
and cost rather than quality. Companies that focus on quality (with remuneration to match) are having a
very hard time filling vacancies. My company could not hire a single person after visiting over 25
Engineering campuses. I myself could not find a single person good enough in close to 100 off-campus
interviews that I did over last year and not to mention that I wan't the only guy doing the interviews.
To be honest, IT services biggies are in part responsible for this situation by being lax and irresponsible
about the quality of their hires. They have been offering jobs to a lot of unqualified people and they
almost never fire them and so, there is no incentive to skill up or perform unless they are trying to move
to a company with better pay. I was actually horrified by the skill level of the people in these companies
often despite 8~10 years of work experience.
Unfortunately, the business model of these companies is also tuned for that kind of mentality. They take a
1 month project, put 50 or 100 people on it and turn it into a 1 year project so that they can bill the client
for all that head count and bloated duration. Further, if the work delivered is ridden with defects, they can
possibly score a maintenance contract as well.
Overall, this is not going to bode well for the software sector in the country or for any of the other
engineering disciplines if this is going to continue like this.
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I seem to remember this type of news/articles ages ago. It looks like this is reported every year "XX
percent of grads are unemployable".
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@Lord Nemesis Same story with or company...

We have been doing interviews for last 4 months now...
Not a single hire.. :-(
Hence, we have lowered our bars and have decided to take someone who at least shows good attitude so
that we can get work done by them..
Shocking that people with 8-9 years of experience do not even know basic things like difference between
a web server and an app server..
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..difference between a web server and an app server
Really Shocking!
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To be honest, IT services biggies are in part responsible for this situation by being lax and irresponsible about the quality of their
hires. They have been offering jobs to a lot of unqualified people and they almost never fire them and so, there is no incentive to
skill up or perform unless they are trying to move to a company with better pay. I was actually horrified by the skill level of the
people in these companies often despite 8~10 years of work experience.
Another part of problem is the mushroomed engineering college in some parts of country. Anyone can get
admission; and will pass it with okay grade. Creating too much supply than the real demand; and that too
of really inferior quality. We were once blamed to ask out of syllabus question in one of the top rated CS
engineering college in India. The recruitment panel had balls to tell us that they will block us from next
year if we do not hire more.(we hired one)
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Shocking that people with 8-9 years of experience do not even know basic things like difference between a web server and an app
server..
Out of the last 100 odd candidates that I interviewed with experience ranging from 7~15 years, only 3
candidates were aware of the term "Time complexity" and they too could not give the time complexity of
a basic search or sort algorithm. In fact, leaving alone the matter that none of them could reproduce a
basic bubble sort on paper if their life depended on it, most of them had confusion between what search or
sort means. Couple of them had the audacity to question why knowledge of these basics are even relevant
for the job.
When questioned how they would resolve performance issues without knowledge of even basic concepts
of algorithm complexity, those who did at least answer had only one solution to give. Just add more
servers. This mentality is very apparent from how they try to write code because even presented a very
basic problem that can be solved in linear time complexity, they would attempt to come up with a solution
that uses 3 or 4 nested loops.
For me, knowledge of libraries or frameworks is irrelevant. Regardless of experience level, What I look
for first and fore most is strong programming/design fundamentals coupled with ability to translate
problems or requirements into a programming or design solution. People who have the fundamentals right
can easily pick up any new programming language and deliver solutions as needed. Trying to gain
knowledge of the hottest new library or framework without even having a clue about fundamentals is
absurd.

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e were once blamed to ask out of syllabus question in one of the top rated CS engineering college in India. The recruitment panel
had balls to tell us that they will block us from next year if we do not hire more.(we hired one)
This is exactly why my company decided to stop going to IITs and any other college that tries to impose
recruitment quota's like you have to hire a certain minimum number of candidates. This is not meaningful
at all. Why should a company be forced to hire sub standard candidates. The fact that they have such
quota's is itself for me a bad indication.

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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...a-unemployable-Study/articleshow/50704157.cms
This is so true. The quality of engineering graduates has fallen so steeply (I can vouch for at least the computer sciences and IT)
over the years. In fact, it feels like 99%+ would be a more accurate figure for being unemployable.
I second. 9 out of 10 don't know why they chose the stream, Do not know the basics.Neither they are
Straightforward as to why they want to work in that specific field.
Prolly because of Vo Jaha ra hein hum bhi picche picche jaa rahein hein.. (Don't remember the exact
dialogue from Tamasha movie) perfectly nailed the situation in India.
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I think we are going through this situation because lots of engineering student never done their
engineering project on own. Right now everyone has mentality to outsource their project from somewhere
and clear the test. This may be due to our education system which never ask us to research on topics or
projects.
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vishalrao said:
I seem to remember this type of news/articles ages ago. It looks like this is reported every year "XX percent of grads are
unemployable".
Precisely, I have read the similar article at least 3 times in last 5 years.
An independent survey shows only 8% of engineering graduates of undivided AP are employable.
This is the lowest 3yrs ago, only 3% employable (2012).
http://m.thehindu.com/features/educ...ent-engineers-are-jobready/article2987626.ece
Partly the education system at fault , but majority candidates are undecided on their aptitude and focus.
Indian parents support (Read pampering) also makes them relatively useless ; if they just pay for fees and
ask them to arrange everything else on their own (help getting a loan, part time job etc) , things might
improve.
Necessity is the mother of invention & hard work.
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What else is to be expected from a system based on rote learning? Especially when the ''''engineers'''' are
unwilling to learn anything at all on job.
@bhaskarvyas001 What was the position in question?
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Every gulli and moohallah you will find engineers in alternate household so kachra was gonna happen
some day...
I always felt there's no other field like engineering and other fields are like committing crime or seen as
cheap or not worthy type of.
People mentality was/is: either climb the ladder being a engineer or stay grounded and work in a bpo.
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This is what happens when you teach a parrot by rote.
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The point is that India doesn't have 80% unemployment.

Does it?
So all these "good for nothing" guys DO end up getting employed somewhere.
Somewhere where they get their worth's salary and the employer is willing to spend even that much as a
salary because he is making profits on them/their work.
I would not get too alarmed. This is what the market demands, and this is what the market is getting.
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..and now ISIS started recruiting such engineer people (unemployed)
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nRiTeCh said:
..and now ISIS started recruiting such engineer people (unemployed)
Again nothing new and alarming.

Unemployed people have always swayed towards extremist philosophies and organizations.
OR to reframe it in politically correct words: It is easier for extremists to influence the unemployed.
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Guys!!! Think about narrow field... Like Advanced Manufacturing... (Aerospace, satellite components)
AFAIK... I'm the last of the kind in my generation... (Really sad and I'm already 32)
We recruit some engineers but after 4 weeks they try to move to other field like documenation design etc..
they cannot understand... even though we try to teach...
Noone at my age or below mine knows the complexity of metal cutting in aerospace...
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I read this particular news a year or so ago i think, it was about an "engineer" who committee suicide. He
was unemployed (no reason was stated) and took to farming instead and because of the bad climate his
farm couldn't produce anything. From an engineer to a farmer, its unbelievable. And the typical mindset
of a majority of Indians is they consider engineers, no matter how good or bad they are, to be above every
other profession or learning. For example I know of one person who claimed to have finished her CSc
engineering but didn't know the answers to some basic fundamental questions. I'm not saying that I'm
better than many of these engineers but i did my Bachelors in History! XD
In fact, my interview count over my
entire career is close to 300 and only 4
candidates have got cleared, which
puts my accept ratio at 1.3%. This is so
pathetic that its depressing.
Real life Hatake Kakashi spotted. IF i ever become the PM of India and want to hire you as the Officer of
Engineering studies or something will you accept? Lol.
Right now everyone
has mentality to outsource their
project from somewhere and clear the test.
I'm not suprised. Many people still consult Google for small class projects. No basic knowledge or
originality so much that I had a teacher in my old college who told us that if we copied the answers off the
net she will reject them and deny us any marks.
So to conclude I'm not surprised by this news.
But I have a question, can't these companies hire better foreign students?
This is so true. The quality of engineering graduates has fallen so steeply (I can vouch for at least the
computer sciences and IT) over the years. In fact, it feels like 99%+ would be a more accurate figure for
being unemployable.
Personally, I would not even blame the quality of education or the colleges. It was like that even 10~15
years back, but it never stopped students with enthusiasm for the subject from building their knowledge
and skills on their own. This is no longer the case. Most of the candidates that are that are hitting the
market these days don't seem to be fit for anything except to increase the head count stat at one our IT
services companies.
I have been doing interviews for last one year to fill two openings at my work place and we are yet to fill
even one of them. I have gone through countless candidates and they have constantly surprised me by
taking the bar to even lower heights. It makes me surprised that these candidates even have a job at any
company at all with such poor fundamentals and skill deficiency.

In fact, my interview count over my entire career is close to 300 and only 4 candidates have got cleared,
which puts my accept ratio at 1.3%. This is so pathetic that its depressing.
People need to realize that getting your degree is no where near enough for getting employed.
To be honest the IT workforce arent engineers at first place, I take it these 80% mostly comprise of that
very IT/CS crowd because of mushrooming engineering colleges, my small city has 6 engineering
colleges.
I have been hiring freshers every year from engineering colleges in my city, its so surprising that none of
them seem to be having a working brain, dull as hell, All they want is a job and dont want to use brain or
like to learn or explore or create anything, Yes they can be good with infosys and accenture to add more
heads but for startups they are tryly useless, they do not know any coding, they dont learn anything at
colleges but only 1.5 months courses in java or some other thing at some high rise institute, woah. This
doesnt makes you a programmer to be, it needs brain, enthusiasm and love for life to become a successful
employable person in IT sector atleast.
While India is popularly known to produce the most number of engineers, there are
other interesting statistics that India has when it comes to engineering. Maybe called
Indias great obsession, engineering is the popular choice in India with the following
facts and figures: A record-breaking 1.4 million candidate appeared for the Joint
Entrance Examination (JEE), the biggest single-day exams. The UK has 20 percent of
the 16 to 17 year olds interested in engineering, while US has 30 percent and India
with an impressive 80 percent, the highest in the world. Parents from Canada,
Australia, US, and UK prefer a fulfilling their potential profession while those from
India want their kids to pursue a successful career. Source: Daily Vedas A whopping
87 percent of primary school children and up to 95 percent of students in high schools
have private tutors, the highest in the world. It posed a growth of 35% in the last five
years in India. India has one of the highest youth suicide rates that root from stress in
exams. Every 90 minutes, a teenager tries to commit suicide. Academic pressure is the
number one cause of suicides among 12-18 years old. Around 20 kids resort to suicide
because of intolerable examination stress. In April 2012, over half a million aspirants
took an exam in India to take only 10,000 slots, making it the most competitive
educational examination. It is an acceptance rate of 2 percent; while Harvard has 5.9
percent, MIT with 8.9, and Stanford with 6.63 percent acceptance rate in engineering
schools. Source: Gateway India produces more engineers annually than twice the
population of Iceland. If engineering was a religion, it will count as the fifth populous
in India. More than 80% of Indian engineers are unemployable. In the state of Uttar
Pradesh, around 2.22 lakh engineering graduates applied for 368 peon posts. About 16
percent of Silicon Valley startups have an Indian co-founder, the highest for any
immigrant community. Indian Institute of Management has students that are 90% in
engineering. All of the 10 most valuable startups in the country have founder of cofounders with engineering degrees, adding up to the prominent and accomplished
persons in India.
Read more at: http://gineersnow.com/details/10-jaw-dropping-statistics-you-mustknow-about-engineering-in-india
NaanThamizhan Enum Snsugumar

Pananthoppu Railway Colony High School
This report nay be true but not much usbrevealed. It says 1,50,000 engineering students in 650
colleges in India are graduating every year. This is wrong. There are millions of engineering students
in many colleges. Take the case of Tamil Nadu, there are more than 450 engineering colleges and
produce more than 2,00,000 graduates every year.
The report gas not said anything about methodology and and the sample size.
One thing is correct mist if them are not employable but are they ready for goingbibto establishing
industries in different catigiries?
Why do we only look for employees and not looking forward to looking at them as enterpruners?
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Anil Shewale
Mumbai, India
DO YOU KNOW?
The finding of NGO PRATHAMS Annual Education Survey explored that 67% Students studying in 8TH Class do not know simple division
78% Students do not know simple subtraction.
Also 51.8% of Students in Class 5TH cannot even read the text taught in Class 2ND.
School dropout students in class 8TH are 40%
After passing 12TH Class, only 12% students are entering into colleges.
This shows us the quality of Indias Primary & Secondary Education....See More
Muralidhar Madinoor
Engg at All India Radio
all political leaders started the engg colleges. this is the outcome result.education became a joke in
our country.god only to change the system.
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Prakash Sheth
This is not shocking.This is something very normal.The quality of teaching in any discipline is very
shallow.The students are fed with plenty of information and that is superficial.The real knowledge is
vanishing and information s replacing it.I am often stunned at the knowledge which graduates and
post graduates have.Moreover students and teachers do not bother to learn and teach anything
which is related to the subjects but is "out of course".Simply put the target is to teach what is in the
text and guide books and nothing else.The situation is pathetic as everybody wants to 'score' marks
and come out as intelligent.The competitive exams which are the tests for a persons general
knowledge and common sense are now taught in coaching classes !I asked a student of Final Year
Commerce definition of Accounts and he was staring at me as if I was a fool.Finally he told me he

was not taught this !Forget Engineering.Everywhere the quality is so poor.
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Yogendra Kumar
Govt polytechnic muzzaffarpur, bihar

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Digamber Singh
University (Birmingham)
Tier3 college engineers also to be given opportunity
Gangatharan Appao
Pachiyappas college for men, Kanchipuram
If that is so, what is the status of Engineering Graduates coming out of Tamil Nadu Engineering
colleges - it is shame on the part of the Tamil Nadu institutions.
Chandra Mohan Sharma

Indian Institute of Information Technology (IIIT), Allahabad
why u people are taking serious note of it. Education (studying) is different and Employability is
different. ask yourself a question whether you are educating the students or training them to work for
an industry? To me education is something different from training? why don't these companies can't
provide the training themselves? they want their burden to be shifted to the colleges so that they can
save money. from them nobody want better educated students, they want direct empolyable people.
they only take who better fits their role, they never prefer more educated one. so don't take their
side. it is necessary to have good education. good education lead to different dimensions of life,
employability is just one of them.
Anil Goyal
Delhi College of Engineering
AICTE is responsible for this mess who grants the recognition blindly to private colleges not having
proper infrastructure and faculty. Similar is the plight of private medical colleges. Govt. should wake
up and restructure both the organizations.
Anil Goyal
Delhi College of Engineering
immediate action is required on the issue.
Tilakraj Arora
Technical Officer at Cabinet Secretariat, Govt of India
wrong govt policies vide which institute are recognised and content for study has been approved.
Sabapathi Subramanian
Annamalai University
Our total education system needs a change. Degrees are not simple passports for a job. The aim of
education in a college is to learn the subjects as well as other skills needed to start an independent
life. It is not just a study of a degee. it is learning various subjects and skills for leading a life.
Endeavour to bring the best out of every one. just learn subjects as well as life skills. Assess your
learning yourself, Success will be yours.
Lokendra Singh
Director at Ross Process Equipment Pvt. Ltd.
Unemployable Engineers
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I was reading an article this morning which was titled as 80% of the engineering
graduates in India are "unemployable". No doubt it is a sad state to see such an
statement when you yourself are an engineering graduate. The article talked about
upgrading the standards of education and training system. The reason being, the
industry or the corporate often complain that they do not get the necessary skill and
talent required for the job and no doubt it stands true to certain level.
The basics itself needs to be corrected in the education system. Our education system
is bound with syllabus which may be quite old, along with the teaching staff who are
not exposed to the current technology as well. This could not be blamed only on the
college or the teaching staff, but mainly at the education system wherein no
importance is given to the soft-skills required by any person when they face the
corporate world. It starts from communications, email writings, attitude and so on....
This gap could be addressed if right attitude with good communication skills
are built within the students from day one in the college. No one wants an engineer to
run a machine tool, but as our basic education system teaches that and it is always
nice to have hands on experience but, there is a need to emphasis on the attitude
building, communication skills building from the college itself. That was what
our Gurukul's use to do in ancient years.
Many of us has read as motivational statement at different posts through social media
or on internet which states:
" No Matter what Job you have in life, your success will be determined
5% by your academic credentials, 15% by your professional experience
and 80% by your attitude and communication skills."
PARAG NIMSE PH.D, P.E.

Lead Engineer at Woodgroup
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I am not sure how they arrived at the percentage (80%). But saying "unemployable" is somewhat harsh. Not obviously an expert
but having worked with lots of freshmen who i have seen grow into their jobs, i can say perception about half of these engineers
will change with just 6 months of work experience. I would like to say though that some fault lies with graduating engineers. Its
not bad to have aspirations to expect higher salaries from their first jobs but many i see are holding out instead of focusing on
gaining valuable experience.
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PARAG NIMSE PH.D, P.E.

Lead Engineer at Woodgroup
And kind of disagree with the soft skill comment. Soft skills are important for all jobs. infact good communication with
colleagues/seniors/clients plays a important role but for starting out engineers Technical skills are most important and the
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rigorous work done during their studies will give them more confidence than anything else and i think thats where our colleges or
universities lag.
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Shantilal Zanwar
Lead Structural Engineer, Work Exp 15yrs
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whoever said 80% Indian engineers are unemployable must be really STUPID guy. I was trying to google article could not locate
it. Obviously person does not know potential of Indian graduates. Come to US and see, most of this country top companies are
run by us. I think we need to question credibility of person who is writing what before making our judgement on it.
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Whosoever could not find the article. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech/tech-news/Over-80-of-engineering-graduates-inIndia-unemployable-Study/articleshow/50704157.cms
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47% of Indian Graduates of 2013 Unemployable for Any Job:

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[]mjfgates 356 points 2 years ago
One of three things is going on here:

1) 47% of Indian graduates have always been unemployable.
2) Something really horrible has happened to Indian education in the
past decade.
3) Corporations are trying to hire people with high-level skills while
paying entry-level wages.
When you see articles like this in the US, it's almost entirely #3 with a
bit of #1 mixed in. Not sure about India, though.
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[]SkatchyBrad 575 points 2 years ago
I think you've missed a fourth option: the "study" was performed by a

self-interested party who has a large incentive to characterize Indian
graduates as unemployable.
These statistics come from a company called Aspiring Minds, who have
devised a standardized exam called the AMCAT. The AMCAT is a
standardized test that supposedly measures "employability" based on
a number of factors, including "personality". I am personally skeptical
of the value of the test, but that's beside the point. The cutoff for
"unemployability" is determined entirely by Aspiring Minds, who
appear make their money in three ways: 1) by convincing companies
to test prospective employees or hire only from pre-tested pools; 2) by
convincing job-seekers to take the test to improve their career
prospects; and 3) by convincing educational institutions to use the
tests to judge the quality of their graduates or programs.
By setting the employability bar high enough that 47% fail, Aspiring
Minds can create an "employability panic": companies will worry about
potentially hiring one of the 47% and will flock to the AMCAT. The
more companies that buy into the AMCAT, the more job-seekers will
see it as a necessity. Universities, too, will worry about the dilution of
their brands by the high number of unemployable graduates and will
seek to remedy it using the AMCAT (and maybe buying "AMCATreadiness courses" for their students).
This "article" reads like the credulous parroting of a press release from
a company who stands to gain from a large number of Indian
graduates being seen as "unemployable". If this study had been
produced by scientists or the government, it might be meaningful. As
it stands, it just smells like rotten marketing.
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[]tdrhq 96 points 2 years ago
I honestly think this is the only correct answer.

I know that most of the graduates from India might not be on par with
the graduates in the US, but saying that they're not qualified for any
job seems like an over-statement. (PS. I'm an Indian graduate with a
Masters from the US)
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[]podkayne3000 6 points 2 years ago*
Also, really: it seems pretty horrible that university graduates in India

have to be proficient in English to get ANY job.
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[]lunartree -3 points 2 years ago
Well the Indians that come over here, get a masters for their visa, and
find a good tech job weren't exactly the poor in India either. Just sayin
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[]aelios 25 points 2 years ago
If it's anything like the people that we used to get from Tata
consulting, the 47% is low. The seem to have 1 person that knows
what they are doing on a team of 4 or 5 (or more). That is the person
you meet first, then the team shows up and the person you dealt with
pre-project leaves, and you are left with a team who don't have a
damn clue. It was so bad, we ended up showing the company the work
they produced, and actually got a refund on a prepaid contract.
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[]lexpattison 8 points 2 years ago*
We are witnessing the "Argument to Moderation" here. I find it

astounding that out of nowhere India is suddenly a developed country
with a sophisticated University/College eduational landscape. The place
is a giant White Van Scam... I've worked with outsourcing partners
and there are very few qualified engineers or developers; yet still
there are those who believe that a country that hasn't even
experienced an industrial revolution much less a post-colonial
renaissance has even the slightest inkling what modern engineering or
scientific disciplines require.
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[]WhosListening 12 points 2 years ago
The outsourcing industry isn't a complete representation of a country

of over a billion people. The IT sector is less than 10% of India's GDP.
source: http://indiabudget.nic.in/es2012-13/echap-10.pdf
To say that India qua India doesn't have "the slightest inkling what
modern engineering or scientific disciplines require" makes little sense.
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[]lexpattison 6 points 2 years ago
You are correct - there is a very small minority of great schools and
educated populace in India that adhere to the same standards and
rigour present in developed countries. The problem is that the majority
leaches the credibility from the small group within India. The politics
are beyond corrupt, the schools have no real representative
measurement against other developed nations...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_Index
I mean - 147th? That may be a misrepresented number due to the
poverty in India - but it's still an obvious measurement of how far
behind the country is compared to the claims of development made by
ALL industries. If a country wants to place itself among developed
nations it needs to invest in REAL education infrastructure instead of

the sketchy half-assed efforts of the last 30 years.
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[]devwolfie 6 points 2 years ago
I have quite a few friends who've come out of there and gone to
secondary school in the states and produced amazing work and wound
up at big tech names in great jobs. There are a lot of people who are
willing to give everything they have and are really interested in the
technology and engineering aspects of the work they do.
I have also had to help an Indian graduate student get an ethernet
cable out of his laptop when he somehow managed to get it stuck in
the port upside down. He was an Applied Networking major.
There are some people like that from every country. They come into
an engineer or tech related field thinking that it's easy money and
don't make it very far in the long run. It's in the short term when it
sucks. Just know that the system weeds itself out after a while, and
know that if you wind up working somewhere long enough, you can
end up making it to a position where you can be the gatekeeper to
keep those type of folks out. And we'll thank you for that.
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Nice sentiment - bit of a waffle... grouping other countries into the

mix. Most other countries don't graduate 'Engineers' who are not... or
'Computer Scientists' who are not. My point is simply that if India
wants to be taken seriously they need to get their shit together. As
you pointed out - your friends went to secondary school in the states there is a reason for that. I am at a position where I am a gate
keeper... I just want to make sure that India doesn't get a bad name
by all the con artist body shops out there who keep gaming the system
and fooling people(CIOs) into thinking a warm body in front of a
computer is the same value as someone who has taken the time to
learn their craft.
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[]devwolfie 1 point 2 years ago
Eh, I'll change to saying "from every country" to saying that "it
happens in the US, too" then.
A bit of a side story, but I had a professor who hard-balled all his
students, partially because he wanted to flunk out any students who
were in the major for the wrong reason (I.E. parents made them, they
didn't like the job but wanted the money). That guy was the
gatekeeper for my department. :( He retired last year. I miss him.
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It's always good to have a hard-ass in the mix. :-) It's also good to
have peers who don't accept those that want to just coast into a
discipline... so keep up the good work.
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[]El_Suavador 1 point 2 years ago
That's very interesting to me because I'm dealing with TCS at the

moment and our situation is very similar. They've replaced my
employer's Level 1 IT helpdesk and it hasn't been particularly
successful. What I've found is that they know how to perform various
troubleshooting tasks without knowing when they should do them or
why. TCS allegedly employ the cream of the crop of IT graduates in
India and I believe a number of them have MBAs in addition to their IT
Degrees.
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[]WeekendPaladin 3 points 2 years ago
FYI, TCS employs average to below-average IT/engineering graduates

in India. The cream of the crop in India works for the same kind of
companies that the cream of the crop does in other countries.
Definitely not for a place like TCS.
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[]spaceman2121 12 points 2 years ago
Have you ever actually been inside a government college? Especially

the ones outside the elite group of institutions?
Try going to Bikaner University or the Chotu Ram Polytechnic college

in Rohtak and tell me those kids are employable.
Heck, I went to DU and I can tell you that 50% of the graduates were
unemployable, especially category students.
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[]podkayne3000 1 point 2 years ago
But are they really unable to work in a shop or a restaurant? Could

they be trained to type letters or answer phones?
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That's what a lot of them end up doing: answering phones at call

centers.
Here's a story: I graduated from high school in 2006 and had a few
months to kick about before I joined college. Because I was broke as
hell, I decided to work in a call center for a couple of months to make
some beer and party money.
I was called to the call center for an interview a few days later. There
were about 12-15 other people there and almost all of them were
MBAs from shitty colleges.
The first task in the "interview" was to simply stand before the roomful
of applicants and introduce yourself in English. This should've been
easy enough, but just one of them could do it properly. The MBAs
(who, by the way, were applying for a job that paid $200/month)
masticated English so bad that they had to be thrown out in the first
round itself.
So there was just one other guy and me left.
The second task was to answer a phone call from a senior HR manager
and just talk about random stuff.
The other guy flubbed it bad. I was supposedly good enough to be
hired at $150/month for a part-time position (they paid $100/month to
part-timers). Since the commute to the call center itself would take 2
hours every day, I decided not to join.
I got several calls from the HR manager months after giving the
interview. I told him flat out that I wasn't interested but he was
persistent. Apparently, there was a huge talent shortage at these firms
and anyone even half-good was in great demand.
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[]mafaraxas 1 point 2 years ago
Apparently, there was a huge talent shortage at these firms and

anyone even half-good was in great demand.
If there was a shortage in talent I don't understand why they wouldn't
increase wages.
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[]spaceman2121 1 point 2 years ago
Because they don't need to. There was a shortage of talent, not
applicants. They could afford to just mass-hire people then pick and
choose later.
This is what happens in the major IT outsourcing companies in India
as well (Infosys, TCS). They literally hire entire engineering batches
from colleges, put them through training (doesn't matter whether you
are a biotech engineer or a CS major - you all get coding jobs), and
fire the ones that don't perform.
When you consider that they're probably charging their clients
upwards of $100/hour and paying their coders around $1-5/hour,
you'll see how the profits stack up.
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[]darkfate 3 points 2 years ago
While I agree with that, wouldn't the government have a bias to say
that the country's graduates are employable? Even if the 47% were
true, I bet they would craft some statistics that don't look so bad by
carefully cutting out a slice of it and reporting a lower number.
In the end though, I think people will always try to boil a person down
to a single number so they can have more confidence in a hiring
decision. Big companies will always do this with the AMCAT or some
other test.
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[]GOOGLYTHROWAWAY 1 point 2 years ago
Made this one just for you. I'm majoring in a technology-related field
about to graduate from College this coming June. I've interviewed with
37 companies to date. The only group I've interviewed at in the past 3
years that has handed me a standardized test is the NSA. I flunked it
as a sophomore in college.
I start working at a very prominent tech company in my dream job
when I graduate next June. I've already interned with some of the
best companies in the country while in college. Standardized tests are
a horrible way to measure a person. Most GOOD companies don't try
to make you into a number and won't try to hire you as one either.
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[]devwolfie 1 point 2 years ago*
I'm glad this is being pushed to the top as a viable answer to this
question. That being said, I come from a school with a large number of
Indian grad and undergrad students. I have noticed that a large
number of Indian students have issues with understanding material
and being able to perform well in applied exams and practicals. I'm an
undergrad in networking/info security, and there have been a lot of
times where I've had to walk graduate students through introductorylevel labs because even though they had memorized diagrams and
could recite the EXACT steps on how to do something, they didn't
know how or feel comfortable with giving something a try. I'm okay
with helping, but c'mon. You have the answers, just put them to work.
It's not like we're working with nuclear bombs and one wrong move
blows shit sky-high.
And it's not that these kids are dumb- they're plenty brilliant; they
know how to memorize things like no one I've ever seen, which is a
useful skill; they just don't seem to understand how to apply their skill
set, and I want to say the low rate of passing on the AMCAT might
actually be a result of the cultural differences in how testing in K-12
schooling occurs. From those who grew up in India that I've spoken
with, it seems a majority of testing in India is based upon
memorization. Since these kids are sometimes hard-wired to
memorize answers, and not really think/discuss a solution, they may

have issues being able to draw the line from "knowing" something to
applying it.
In addition, I've heard cheating is a huge problem in some schools
over there due to this whole memorization-style of testing. If they're
forced to take a new standardized test that doesn't have a lot of wellknown answers or a known way to cheat through, there's probably a
percentage there that are also failing out due to not being able to
easily cheat. Not saying it's a large percentage, but I'm saying there
probably is something to that, too.
Edit: When I'm rereading this, I'm realizing that they really are
suggesting that Indian graduates aren't good for ANY job; I thought it
was overdramatization. If anything, that just sounds like a poorly
written test to me.
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[][deleted] 1 point 2 years ago
AMCAT
I wrote this test as they were offering it free in NITs. In IITs I had
heard nobody gave a fuck about this test or organisation. Then, they
spammed the shit out of me until I created a filter. Their website is all
about a few HTML landing pages and it has been like this for years.
It's a shitty company.
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[]squiremarcus 1 point 2 years ago
man good thing 1% of redditors are intelligent. i would miss shit like
this all the time and just nod my head with the rest of the sheep
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[]mrsdrat 0 points 2 years ago
I logged in to specifically upvote this comment..
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[]The_Word_JTRENT 226 points 2 years ago
India is known to basically farm out degrees, and the graduates tend
to have absolutely no practical skills at all. Not even the baseline skills
that a university/college should teach them.
At least that's the complaint I've heard a lot of the time in regards to
this situation.
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[]OMouse 89 points 2 years ago
You mean degree mills. It would help if there were a good source on
which universities are bullshit and which aren't. I would expect
someone from Stanford, Harvard, or even Greendale Community
College to have some practical skills for example.
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[]Gibe 116 points 2 years ago
It's not necessarily about degree mills. Indians tend to make for
decent students... From my understanding (of briefly talking to quite a
few Indian students), the Indian school system are heavily geared
towards rote memorization. In engineering classes, this leads to a
student that can solve a homework problem that involves initial
position, final velocity, and asks you to solve for time; but that student
then has no understanding of how to apply a methodology when given
the time and asked to solve for either of the other variables.
Essentially if it's something that they have practiced over and over and
over, they're very good at it. Unfortunately real world problems are
rarely exactly the same, and many of these students lack the ability to
apply parts of multiple experiences towards solving new problems.
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[]NimX3 29 points 2 years ago
I think this is common in Asian cultures, regardless of region. No one

cares what you, a mere student, thinks. A student's job is to be more
like the great persons in their textbooks. Original thoughts are
discouraged as wasted time since the great persons have already
made their opinions available.
I've spent a year in an Indian school and half a year in a Korean
school, and they were the same in that respect. In India, when a
student says or does anything wrong, he is screamed at by the teacher

"YOU ARE NOT SPECIAL!" That caused me to cringe a bit since I was
taught that everyone is a unique little snowflake blah blah. In both
countries, no one, and I mean literally no one answers the teacher's
question. In Korea, the school decided to have a reform and adopt the
Western style of teaching, and the teachers were told to ask his class
their opinions, except no one answered his questions anyway. When
some unfortunate soul did, all he did was make this "oh you're so
funny" face and lambaste him to shit, as other students smiled.
If you discourage any kind of personal opinions and tell them to repeat
what you said or shut up for 12 years, it shouldn't be surprising that
they don't have any original thoughts.
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[]QuestionAxer 19 points 2 years ago
Can confirm. I moved from India to the States halfway through middle
school and was shocked at how different the school system is. In
Indian schools, when a teacher asks the class a question and someone
replies and they get it wrong, they're punished for it some way or
another. We were either made to stand or were made a laughing stock
of by the teacher (comments such as "You'll turn into a useless janitor
if you answer like that"). So basically nobody would ever respond
when the teacher asked a question. Class participation was not a
thing.
This is why I kept my mouth shut tight through my first few classes in
the States. All of a sudden, teachers want myopinion on things, not
just the "correct answer". They wanna know why I said what I said
and if there's some solid reasoning behind it. India fails at doing this.
They just want you to memorize and they won't tell you why.
Eventually, I started opening up and expressing my thoughts and
emotions throughout middle and high school. Some of my best classes
were the papers I wrote for AP Lang/Lit because I got to make up all
sorts of crazy stuff from my head without fear of being ridiculed at by
the grader and as long as I explained myself, it was a stellar paper.
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[]digital_carver 1 point 2 years ago
when a teacher asks the class a question and someone replies and
they get it wrong, they're punished for it some way or another [...] So
basically nobody would ever respond when the teacher asked a
question.
As another product of the Indian school system, I just wanted to
remark that this sounds quite weird to me. Such things might
definitely happen if the question was targeted at someone and their
answer was wholly off the charts (which generally meant they weren't
attempting to listen, since the questions were generally stupidly
simple), but if the teacher asked a general question to the class and
someone answered wrong, the worst that happened usually was they
just got ignored as if they hadn't said anything. If it's the "class
troublemaker" or something they might get a mildly insulting remark,
but definitely not like the insults in the parent comment. Might have
been the experience in/u/QuestionAxer's school, just saying it isn't
typical in most schools.
Sure, the teachers suck like anything (my higher secondary physics
teacher still didn't have a grasp on Newton's first law), but the
students are not exactly in mortal terror in class or insulted constantly.
We're not expected to get all comfy and relaxed in the class, much
more respect is expected (which is grating when the teacher is an
arrogant doofus), but the teachers generally do aim to teach, and
there definitely is quite a bit of interaction, just in a much more
structured way.
Also, it's my strong opinion that the reduced class participation here is
much less a factor of the commonly cited cultural issues and much
much more a factor of forcing English as the medium of instruction,
but that's a different topic for a different comment.
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[]aura_enchanted 6 points 2 years ago
Indeed. My parents took in exchange students for years from south

Korea and China. Often these students wouldn't speak a word of
opinion beyond wether or not they liked the food unless they were
naturally creative (long story, one was a magician another was a
cook). They didn't have original ideas and would simply go through the
motions day in and day out. They were like robots. They didn't have
passion in their work, they took whatever was thrown onto their desk
and then completely fumbled the ball on everything else.
Some wouldn't even pass their courses at the universities because
they lacked the ability to take the systems from the textbooks and
apply them practically, Or think ahead, or be creative with the tools
the course had taught them. And often they wound up being sent
home.
You can give an asian a canvas and painting tools, you cannot make
him paint a new great masterpiece. (or this is often the case anyway).
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[]gerald_hazlitt 6 points 2 years ago
It's also worth mentioning that a disproportionate number of the best

STEM research personnel at the top universities in the West are now
PRC nationals - ask any physicists or mathematician from an Ivy
League about the calibre of the talent they're now seeing from China.
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[]sygnus 3 points 2 years ago
You can give an asian a canvas and painting tools, you cannot make
him paint a new great masterpiece. (or this is often the case anyway).
True, but they sure as hell can make some damn fine reproductions by
hand. I think there's even a town in China that does almost nothing
but reproduce art. They're damn good at it too.
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[]podkayne3000 2 points 2 years ago
But then, look at Japanese movies and TV shows, and all of the great
science coming out of China in areas like anthropology. Some people
there seem to be beating the system.
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[]aura_enchanted 2 points 2 years ago
Hence why I pointed out the naturally creative and artistic. There will
always be an exception to the rule.
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[]icantbebotheredd 1 point 2 years ago
There are also many Asian fashion designers (Alexander Wang, Derek
Lam, Jason Wu, Vera Wang, Doori Chung, Prabal Gurung, Phillip
Lim...)
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[]kebabish 34 points 2 years ago
Thats exactly the problem the pakistani school system faces. Its all
about memorizing stacks of books/problems/solutions which have no
application in the real world.
Theres a really good bollywood movie called Three idiots which is all
about this exact same issue.
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[]roflmaoqwerty 14 points 2 years ago
That movie has to be one of my favourite Indian movies of all time. It

really highlights a lot of the issues facing the education system in
India.
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[]drewniverse 6 points 2 years ago
I haven't seen a Bollywood movie in awhile. This looks like

gold http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1187043/
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[]QuestionAxer 6 points 2 years ago
As an avid Bollywood fan who's watched that movie six times, I urge
those on the fence to not judge it by the screenshots or the title. It's a
very deeply-layered movie which exposes the biggest problems in
India's education system. And it does so with a hint of sarcasm and
lots of comic relief.
The subtitles are also fantastic and more than watchable for any nonHindi viewer. In fact, if I was to recommend one Bollywood movie for
any non-Indian person to watch, it would be this.
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[]Hyperman360 0 points 2 years ago
And the acting is superb. It's a fantastic comedy. I highly recommend

it.
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[]flamehead2k1 4 points 2 years ago
As an expat who lived in Bangalore, everyone I worked with

recommended this film. It was great and explained a lot about how
recent graduates operate in a professional environment.
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[]shahofblah 1 point 2 years ago
As an Indian engineering student, I found that movie to be utter crap.

It certainly has an inaccurate depiction of pedagogy in elite
institutions. I don't think the producer, director or scriptwriter did
beyond cursory research into an Indian engg. student's life. Just gross
generalisations and tired tropes. It was designed for a mass audience
and not engineering students, hence the content had to be of a level
understandable by and relevant to all. If it had a level of specificity
like PhD Movie, it wouldn't have been such a huge grosser. In the end,
it's just an entertainment film.
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[]kebabish 1 point 2 years ago
Well yeah, its just a movie but my point was that it shows the problem
were discussing, even if it was very very loosely portrayed.
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[]303onrepeat 48 points 2 years ago
You hit the nail on the head. Practical analytical thinking is not taught
in Indian schools. I have a good friend who has been an IT recruiter
for over 20 years and the Indian degree mills have been a huge
hassle. Also massive amount of fraud goes on with resumes to the
point that one person will do the phone interview then a another will
show up for the in person.
In our own environment Indians run the SAP environment and we just
sent over one of our life long unix/ Linux admin guys to help them out
because they have the environment so fubared. Just completely
unhinged and they have no idea what the errors mean or how to turn
them off. We also hired an Indian guy to run our exchange
environment a few years ago and his skills have grown pretty well but
he still lacks practical analytical skill sets and has a really hard time
thinking ahead figuring out his next move or how to optimize a
process. He isn't a guy who will speak up in meetings with new ideas
he just follows what is handed down and crosses his desk.
Overall I like the Indian people who we have hired locally but we have
wasted way to much money on our data centers in India they are not
returning quality products and their progress is beyond ridiculously
slow.
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[][deleted] 2 points 2 years ago
Everything you described and more happens in a development

environment.
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[]303onrepeat 2 points 2 years ago
Yeah my development friends have told me the horrors plus we have a

crap ton invested in India in the way of a software development center
that works with Wipro and it's been a total SNAFU from the get go. We
are pretty sure one of the sr engineers in management is on the take
and getting kick backs because of how much he pushes for using that
service.
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He's probably not getting kickbacks. Rather he's probably getting

above the board bonuses for "reducing the cost of the project."
Very common practice. Part of the reason why most MBA's should be
put in a paper shredder.
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[]feedayeen 2 points 2 years ago
We're going to need the engineering team to design a bigger paper

shredder then.
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And a lot of tiny violins.
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[]303onrepeat 1 point 2 years ago
Trust me his projects are way over budget. The whole engineering
department does not have to meet budgetary goals they are not
forced to that guide as part of their metrics. So they shift costs all
around and hide a lot of stuff. The new guy who came in to clean up
this nonsense and get engineering back on track saw the sr manager
who hired him get fired and then the rest of the shady managers rally
around the people doing the dirty work. Someone needs to clean
house it's a utter mess.
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Classic good ol boy network.

Not really much you can do without going over their head.
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[]meebs86 3 points 2 years ago
As an american who has heard a lot about the good old "watch out...
the indians will take all of our jobs because they work for less
money!".. this is really reassuring.
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[]brownzilla99[] 2 points 2 years ago
Unfortunately, US management lack the same analytical and problem

solving skills to come to this conclusion.
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[]kingkongjaffa 4 points 2 years ago
Richard Feynman's trips to Brazil illuminate exactly this problem there

too.
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[]digital_carver 1 point 2 years ago
I'm Indian, and when I was reading "Surely you're joking Mr.
Feynman" it felt like he was describing the Indian educational system
perfectly.
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You just described an Indian Engineer I worked with very early on in

my career.
I had thought he was amazingly rare. I mean how could someone
leave college without the ability to abstract their thoughts?
Yeah... I have met plenty of him.
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[]_QED 9 points 2 years ago
If you look at education at a high school level, Indian education is

much more demanding and challenging than education here. However,
the education system is very rigid and promotes neither creativity nor
critical thinking. That's main problem, not memorization- I would
argue that your claim about memorization is very very generalized and
untrue.
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[]doctorofwhat 16 points 2 years ago
Many American education reform programs like to frame memorization

and critical thinking as mutually exclusive. This leads to many people
(American, at least, that is all I have experience with) to believe
memorization is problematic and needs to be eliminated in order to
allow critical thinking. Creativity without facts is just as useless as
memorization with no understanding.
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[]Laxbro832 1 point 2 years ago
but it makes sense, why do we need to memorize anything, in my

pocket i have an iPhone that i can look up anything i ever wanted to
know. if we are a little relaxed on the whole memorization thing than it
opens up times for students to be creative and put the lessons they
learn into practical use.
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[]Quiddity99 24 points 2 years ago*
I don't understand your point here. You declare that the OP is incorrect
on his assumption of memorization of materials being the primary
teaching tool with little emphasis on application of concepts to real
world functions, but also that the problems are that the education
system is "very rigid and promotes neither creativity or critical
thinking". It seems to me that either your argument is something that
hasn't been brought up in either his or your post, or that you're
actually agreeing with /u/Gibe.
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Perhaps his education has not prepared him for this real world
situation.
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[]flyingcanuck 25 points 2 years ago
I moved to Canada from India as a kid and I have to disagree with

you, respectfully.
Though classes are challenging and demanding, memorization is a
HUGE problem there. OP is not generalizing. I remember in grade 1,
having to memorize the Times Tables up to 12 I believe. Success is
measured by how you memorize the answer as opposed to how to
arrive at the answer. We would be told to memorize 7x9=63 as
opposed to being taught what multiplying actually means. And I went
to one of the best schools in the country, trust me, the whole country
is plagued by the memory bug.
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[]chuckling_neckbeards 4 points 2 years ago
eh? everyone has had to memorize the times table.
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[]flyingcanuck 5 points 2 years ago
Yes but you're taught what you're actually doing. 3x3 means you're
adding 3 to itself 3 times. But there, you're just told to memorize its 9.
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Maybe you entered at grade i and people were taught what

multiplication meant at grade i-1. I'm in an Indian college, and what I
see a lot in lecture videos of US universities is that a lot of time is
spent by the lecturer on repeating readily apparent things.
Could it be possible, that the meaning of multiplication was known to
the students?
I know that I was taught that multiplication is repeated addition,
and then the tables.
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[]flyingcanuck 1 point 2 years ago
I was in class 1a, dont remember what that means anymore.

And the multiplication example is just one scenario. My cousin just
moved to Canada from India with her Masters in Business Admin and I
laughed at half the projects she had to do to get her MBA. She was
doing assignments that all of my other cousins in Canada and myself
had done in grade 10-11. A Bachelors that takes 3 years followed by a
Masters right away really makes you wonder why students work so
hard to get into a college in India, so hard as to even commit suicide
than deal with the consequences of "failure" of not getting in. Here, to
get a Masters, you need a 4 year Bachelor degree followed by
extensive work experience in the field to truly call yourself a "Master"
in that field. Very unfortunate that the colleges and universities in
India are just become a degree mill.
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[]chuckling_neckbeards 1 point 2 years ago
Are you saying they literally did not teach what multiplication is? I
doubt that.
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[]dravik 6 points 2 years ago
I have a poor sample size, but all the Indian students I went till school
with cheated outrageously and blatently falsified their resumes. They
all looked great on paper and got jobs quickly. Never heard how they
fared in those jobs.
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[]podkayne3000 2 points 2 years ago
I live in a US area with a lot of Indian and Pakistani people, and

they're polite, friendly people who have great kids, make great coffee
and cause good restaurants to open.
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[]NimX3 1 point 2 years ago
Having been in an India school for a year and a Korean one for half a
year, I saw plenty of cheating in Korea but not in India.
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[]FifthSurprise 35 points 2 years ago
You'd think at least the guys from Greendale would be some use on
your paintball team.
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[]i_have_reddit 17 points 2 years ago
There is no Greendale... It's just pigment of your imagination.
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[]Soonermandan 13 points 2 years ago
Theoretical Phys Ed is extremely relevant in the real world.
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[]naanplussed 5 points 2 years ago
Ladders
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[]washicka 3 points 2 years ago
Can I fry it?
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[]Hyperman360 1 point 2 years ago
Fries?
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[]PeeCan 11 points 2 years ago
This Saudi college student from Temple, PA. asked me how to pump
gas.
Guys driving a brand new $40k car and he cant even fill the fucking
gas. THan I show him thinking, I helped someone! NOPE!
He than drove off into the night with only his parking lights on and the
dome light on inside. I released a poorly skilled but educated man on
the streets.
What is with this? More and more I get people asking me to show
them how to pump gas. Its like.. call your mom.
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[]eric987235 53 points 2 years ago
Don't read too much into the gas thing. People who grow up in Oregon
and New Jersey can't (legally) pump their own gas and as such many
people don't know how.
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[]masinmancy 16 points 2 years ago
I thought someone was trying to mug me the first time I tried to get
gas in Oregon.
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I lived in NY then NJ when I was young but we moved to Indiana when

I was nine or so. Because of my midwestern upbringing I had
completely forgotten about the NJ gas thing.
That is, until I moved to Seattle last year. I have a good friend in
Portland and the last time we went for a visit we had to stop for gas on
the way back. I got out of the car and was extremely confused at first
by the employee waiting at the pump. :-/
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[]masinmancy 9 points 2 years ago
I had already removed the nozzle from the pump and was messing
with my gas cap when the guy tried to take the nozzle from me. I
almost hit him with it. I only stopped when I saw he was wearing a
store uniform. No robber is that clever, yet.
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[]Dyspeptic_McPlaster 41 points 2 years ago
Nobody ever showed me how to pump gas, I had just seen my parents
do it, seen gas station attendants do it and when I first needed to put
gas in a car I just pulled up, got out, followed the directions printed on
the gas pump and filled up my car. It's not that hard, if you can't
figure it out, your problem isn't lack of exposure to the technology of
refueling stations, its a lack of exposure to problem solving.
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Fair enough but plenty of people don't bother to watch the attendant.
It's not that hard, if you can't figure it out, your problem isn't lack of
exposure to the technology of refueling stations, its a lack of exposure
to problem solving.
I agree 100%. My family has stopped asking me for tech support after
I started making them Google everything themselves. Suddenly
everybody figured out how to read and follow instructions!
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[]Jkid 7 points 2 years ago
If I told that to my mom to use Google instead of depending on me as

a IT Butler for tiny tech problems she will have a raging fit. Its bad
enough I have ten years of IT experience and can't even get one
single interview.
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My dad told me to pump the gas once when I was younger. As I was
doing it a voice over the PA system told me to stop and my dad had to
finish it.
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[]Dyspeptic_McPlaster 6 points 2 years ago
See! So easy even a child can get in trouble for doing it.
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[]meebs86 1 point 2 years ago
Even watching other people at the station for 5 minutes would quickly
show you how the process is done... It is amazing just how many
people refuse to teach themselves how to do things.
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[]prophet001 2 points 2 years ago
What the fuck? Are you serious? I consider myself to be a fairly

informed individual, but this blows my mind.
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[]deadnagastorage 0 points 2 years ago
Still no excuse.
First time I had to pump my own gas I worked it out in a minute if you
can't work it out, you are quite clearly not equipped for real life.
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[]eric987235 1 point 2 years ago
Know how clothes irons have a warning that says "do not iron clothes
while wearing them"? Yeah that's there because somebody has tried it
before.
Keeping that in mind, are you still that surprised some people can't
figure out gas pumps?
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[]deadnagastorage 2 points 2 years ago
I saw Romney iron his shirt while wearing it in his doco so yea....
Oh i'm not surprised at all, but if you can read english, and still can't
work it out. You are an ignoramus.
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[]blackcain 2 points 2 years ago
He should have moved to Portland, OR. We don't pump gas here. :-) I
must admit tha tsometimes I forget all the steps to pump gas!
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Dude...I'm a relatively smart man and I wouldn't know how to pump

gas. Cause I've never had to do it myself. Gas stations have
attendants in my country. Maybe it's the same in Saudi Arabia.
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[]proper_b_wayne 1 point 2 years ago
It's probably because he always had a man-servant to do it for him.

He sounds like the son of some rich Saudi oil tycoon.
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[]Golgatem 2 points 2 years ago
Not necessarily. If Saudi is like other countries in the region, all gas
stations are full-service. Nobody fills their own gas tanks, even poor
people.
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[]JoshuaIan -1 points 2 years ago
Leesport resident here. I used to know a Saudi dude that was staying
in Reading about 10 years ago that made stellar baseball bat shaped
joints. That story had nothing to do with anything. Have a great day,
local redditor.
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[]devwolfie 1 point 2 years ago
GO GREENDALE GO GREENDALE GO!
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[]The_Word_JTRENT 1 point 2 years ago
Agreed. Fortunately enough I was lucky to begin my development of

practical skills in my field before even applying for colleges. Practical
skills go a long way over repeating things from books.
As one person I've worked with put it.... he'd rather hire a C or B
student than someone with a 4.0gpa. Generally those people have
more practical knowledge than someone who slaved over acing every
single test. I don't doubt his decisions in that, either. He was referring
to engineers with that statement as well, to give it some context.
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[]Japheth86 5 points 2 years ago
The smartest guy in the room is probably not the one who put in the
hard work required to get the A, but the one that got the B or C with
no effort. Throw in a good personality and they're exactly the sort of
person you would want to hire and develop yourself.
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[]KRATOSBRAH 3 points 2 years ago
What about a guy who got the A with no effort?
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[]Some_Dude_ 7 points 2 years ago
He went to the wrong college.
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That's basically what his whole explanation to me about it boiled down

to in the end. I think it's a great practice personally.
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[]emnetic 1 point 2 years ago
Hey hey! Greendale has an olympic sized swimming pool! With a

judge's desk/student court...
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Not just mills. Some student lead acceptance test results for the whole
country he mined from a website last year, and the distributions were
absolutely bullshit - there is no way they were not manipulated to get
anybody who can count "one cow, two cows, many cows" into
university.
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[]gliscameria 28 points 2 years ago
I've had to train chemistry 'grads' that I don't think have ever been in
a lab before. I don't know how you survive without knowing how to
tighten a nut. It was tough not to get frustrated, but I can't imagine it
was a fun experience for them either. Most of them were really bright,
but they lacked certain key tools that you expect everyone to have.
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How the hell does someone get through life without learning how to
tighten a nut?
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[]gliscameria 13 points 2 years ago
You can imagine the brain blanking shock of witnessing it. I guess they
never got the righty tighty thing or owned a bike, which is
understandable if they came from a poorer area.
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It's such a simple concept, though. Children can figure it out on their
own. hahah
To each their own, I guess. That's life.
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[]Jokka42 10 points 2 years ago
The problem is that these people learn how to memorize things, not
how to think for themselves. That's the problem with our education
system. It's makes us really really good at being robots but doesn't
teach critical thinking.
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[]SonOfSlam 7 points 2 years ago
This. I've worked with a large number of Indian contractors, and for
the vast majority of them, when they'd come to an unexpected error
message or the step-by-step instructions didn't work, they'd send an
email (not always to the right person) saying that it wasn't working
and then they'd just stop. Meanwhile most (I said most!) of the
Americans in a similar situation would try banging on it to make it
work for a while, and either get it working or screw it up massively.
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I'm thankful that I had some great teachers in my schools that did
foster critical thinking, which was reinforced by my parents.
I do agree, though. I've seen a lot of people that were basically
programmed for their education.
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I thought it was lefty tighty, righty loosey? I always get it mixed up,
even when I remember that I've got it mixed up (I double mix it up).
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[]killercurvesahead 6 points 2 years ago
Do you wear loosey whiteys?
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[]sfc1971 12 points 2 years ago
You can do an experiment on public transport like a metro. Sometimes

a door will be broken and this will be signaled by a sticker on the door
saying the door is broken. The sticker is at eye height.
Some people get up before the train has stopped, note the sticker and
walk to the next door.
Some people get up, stand in front of the door, press the button,
notice it doesn't open, see the sticker and move to the next door.
Some people get up, stand in front of the door, press the button, press
the button, press the button, press the button, give up and move to
the next door.
Some people don't get up until the train has stopped, ignore everyone
else walking away from the closed door, press the button, go into a
rage because it hasn't opened, either manage to just make it out of
the door or scream as the train starts moving again.
Some people are just really bad at noticing things.
And the dirty secret is? That ALL of us have our moments when we are
in the last group.
Which way do you tighten a crank shank on a bicycle? Not all things
are tightened the same way and some things shouldn't be tightened to
much.
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[]JoshuaIan 2 points 2 years ago
Jeez, yeah, I mean I do it several times a day
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My brother is 31 years old and can't change a damn bulb (not an

exaggeration).
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[]howj100 1 point 2 years ago
A friend of mine told me a story about a girl he was working in lab with
at college, and she had no idea what a wrench was. She had never
heard the word before, had never seen one, and once someone
showed it to her she had absolutely no idea how to use it. It blew my
mind because I always think of those things as pretty intuitive, but I

guess they're not for everyone
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Those are like common fucking sense tools. It just baffles me
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[]firephoxx 1 point 2 years ago
The same ones who don't know how to change a tire.
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[]Intestinal_Parasites 0 points 2 years ago
You've never been to India before. The place is insane. I'm am

American engineer in India. It's a whole country stuck in an "if loop".
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God damn if loops. My own department in the US gets those every

now and then. Short ones though.
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[]Intestinal_Parasites 1 point 2 years ago
You can't stop working without stopping work. A statement I've had to
say far too often.
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[]stringerbbell 14 points 2 years ago
This is exactly the reason. I'm in IT and I work with hundreds of

Indians. Some are phenomenal and have become good friends of mine
but most don't understand the difference between a paper degree and
work experience. They demand high pay for having double master's
degrees but they don't have enough (or any) work experience. They're
unemployable because entry level positions don't want to pay for a
double master's with no experience. Also, quite frankly, their work
ethic sucks. If they lose their job they could get deported, so they
don't share information or help grow people around them. They cling
to their work as if they're protecting a trade secret and they cover up
problems for fear of losing their jobs.
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Sounds like the University of Phoenix Online.
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[]DEADBEEFSTA 5 points 2 years ago
Allowing for government employees everywhere to climb that

government ladder to get at those big raises.
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Only if they're veterans though!
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[]LegalAction 2 points 2 years ago
Are you telling me the University of Phoenix is the way to a cushy

government job? Because if that's true I'm totally wasting my time in
the UCs.
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[]KevinRose123 3 points 2 years ago
UoP is a joke. They are saying the only 'good' use of it is for
employees who will get raises if they suddenly obtain a higher degree
(aka some government employees and masters). These employees are
already hired in so they don't have to worry about how shitty the
school looks, as it does not matter to them.
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[]wadded 12 points 2 years ago
Mobile and I forget how to properly quote but the 2nd last paragraph
of the article is:
"Moreover, not more than 25 per cent of the graduating students could
apply concepts to solve a real-world problem in the domain of finance
and accounting, while, on average, 50 per cent graduates are able to
answer definition-based/ theoretical questions based on the same
concept."
Which to me sounds like the source of the problem. If they aren't
taught how to use their knowledge in real life applications then their
knowledge is not very useful to many employers and hence aren't
qualified for work.
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[]SynthPrax 1 point 2 years ago
What you have described is the difference

between information and knowledge. Information is data,
theories.Knowledge is the action utilizing that information.
The US educational system used to have this exact same problem. I
have been free of it for over 27 years now; so, I don't know to what
extent we've corrected the problem. I remember it being explained as
a consequence of raising children to work in factories. There was too
much memorization and no thinking allowed.
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[]Duze 14 points 2 years ago
I know that the company guideline for us (IT dev) is that when we
outsource stuff to our Indian dev center we should expect nothing and
prepare for everything. We are to expect them to be basically clueless
in regards to everything. Sometimes you get positively surprised, but
mostly it's just "ugh".
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[]jk147 6 points 2 years ago
You have to write very specific design documents. I also noticed there
is a difference of skill when it comes to different companies. Some big
ones are def. a lot more competent than smaller ones. Probably
because they pay more.
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[]bureX 2 points 2 years ago
You can get decent work from India, like any other country, but you
can't get decent work from India if you're willing to pay little. (then
again, if you're willing to pay a decent sum, you won't be outsourcing
to India in the first place)
My former boss had some product catalogs which needed to be
digitized and placed in the inventory. Stuff like... the product image,
the product characteristics, description, certifications, etc. Basically,
"data entry".
Well, he got 300x300px images, badly OCRed descriptions with hidden
characters from Microsoft Word (which made my life miserable) and no
specific characteristics or certifications were listed, they were just
copy&pasted in the description. Whee. He wasted time, money and did
nothing. In his history of outsourcing, he got half "finished" websites
which were (I'm not kidding) websites from other companies saved in
HTML format from inside Internet Explorer! (it even had auto
generated HTML comments saying where the whole thing was saved
from) They said the website was 50% done and they needed 50% of
the money, and the guy just gave it to them... the "web designers"
were never to be seen again. Ugh...
India has it's share of good working people, but they won't be fighting
to do business for most outsourcers for pennies, most "managers"
should realize that. India is not some dreamland where you place your
order and receive the finished product for a minuscule sum with the
same quality which should be expected locally. There is a person on
the other side, and they know what their price range should be.
I sure hope you won't be needing to dedicate too many of your work
days to examining the deliverables from another time zone :(
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[]outthroughtheindoor -2 points 2 years ago
really absurd this idea that one should have to pay to earn the skills
that one will later be exploited for having.
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[]bumwine 3 points 2 years ago
You can learn them on your own, you know. Especially with software
and IT. You're paying to be taught something and have a structured
curriculum. I'm in IT and pay 0 student loans.
It should also be noted that when you're already in a company its
common for them to pay for your educated.
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I'm not being exploited for my skills. I'm trading my skills and time for
what I agree to being a fair paycheck. Throw in that I freelance on the
side, and there's even less exploitation going on.
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[]Mathuson -3 points 2 years ago
India is huge, not all the institutions there are bad at producing good
students.
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I don't know about India, but US colleges have turned into student
loan mills. You don't make money off a dropout or a rejected
applicant.
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[]noeatnosleep 18 points 2 years ago
Lack of English knowledge, poor skills in computer and concepts

learning were major deterrents to employability.
is what the article stated.
I don't think most of these people read the article. It's basically saying
that #2 is correct. Half of these graduates shouldn't have graduated.
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As somebody who used to do the hiring for a large firm. I will put #3
at one.
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[]deadlast 5 points 2 years ago
Do you know anything about Indian graduates?

I do, and I can readily believe that 47% are unemployable.
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[]Mathuson 16 points 2 years ago
What about confirmation bias? Anecdotal evidence is useless.
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[]TRC042 3 points 2 years ago
This happens in every bad economy: companies have few jobs, and
candidates have few options, so skill and experience demands become
seemingly unrealistic. In reality, it's just supply and demand.
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[]manifest3r 9 points 2 years ago
I worked with a Linux administrator (he was in India, I was in SoCal),

and he couldn't even compile a program. I wanted to bang my head
against the wall.
His answer was that he wasn't taught all that snazzy stuff in college.
After I left my manager hired 5 more people to replace me, and he
ended up contracting me 6 months later because none of those 6
administrators were able to restore a database.
Of course this was a company of less than 100 employees, bad
management!
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[]pujuma 1 point 2 years ago
less than 100 employees, bad management!

and CHEAP
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2) Something really horrible has happened to Indian education in the

past decade.
http://www.ncsl.org/research/education/for-profit-colleges-anduniversities.aspx
It's not just #3 and #1 in the US.
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[]110011001100 12 points 2 years ago
4) Affirmative action in India requires 50-70% seats to go to those

from a specific section of society...
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[][deleted] 13 points 2 years ago*
Upto 50% and only in educations institutions and govt. run sectors.
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[]110011001100 8 points 2 years ago
Some states are upto 70%

The bulk of the good institutes are govt run (IIT's,NIT's for
Engineering atleast), and pvt institutes are allowed to essentially
auction off 33% seats so again opening up to unqualified candidates
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Can confirm. 50% of students in my girlfriend's English M.Phil class in

DU can't even speak English properly.
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Which college would this be?
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[]spaceman2121 1 point 2 years ago
Delhi University
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I got that, but which college within DU? There's a huge spectrum.
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[]spaceman2121 2 points 2 years ago*
The M.Phil course is offered at the main Arts Faculty, so you aren't
affiliated to any college. All classes are held in the Arts Faculty building
itself. It's the same at the Master's level, though you are officially part
of a college (gf was with Hindu).
It's sad because most of the professors are brilliant. Many have PhDs
from places like Oxford, Cambridge, Berkeley, Brown and Boston and
are really devoted to teaching. Most were also very willing to mentor
and befriend students. It wasn't uncommon to spend entire days and
even sleep the night at a professor's place just discussing stuff with a
group of fellow students.
Altogether, the environment was intellectually rewarding, except that
you felt a little disheartened when you walked into class and saw that
half the people over there couldn't even speak English. Knowing that
your degree and capabilities would be judged by the yardstick set by
these morons was a little disappointing, to say the least.
The professors felt the same way. Many came back from tenured
positions in US colleges because they wanted to "do something for the
country" and be a part of "changing India". Privately, some expressed
a desire to go back to colleges in US/UK/Australia/Canada after seeing
the quality of students.
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[]Hazzman 2 points 2 years ago
I'll take door number 3 Bob.
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[]astrobean 2 points 2 years ago
3 frustrates the bejeebus out of me. Especially when a college graduate with no
practical experience can get higher starting pay than someone with 10 years
experience who didn't finish a degree.
I got a PhD and found myself unemployable, because I was

overqualified for entry level stuff and wrongly qualified for anything
above that.
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[]el_muerte17 1 point 2 years ago
I remember reading an article or study that popped up maybe a year

or two ago about Chinese degree recipients, particularly engineers,
lacked a number of incredibly basic skills pertinent to their fields of
training. Apparently, the only thing they really learn in a lot of their
universities is nothing more than how to pass university. Papers are
plagiarized, exams are recycled and the answers memorised, and
bribery gives the worst cases that extra little push towards a degree.
From my dealings with Indian engineers, both in a university research
environment and in the petroleum industry, I'd say it's a pretty safe
bet that their schools are about the same.
3 definitely isn't the case here (Alberta); companies have a hard time keeping
positions filled and have to offer their employees very competitive compensation
as a result.
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[]Bixby66 1 point 2 years ago
I just though 47% of Indians were art history majors.
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[]Ranzera 1 point 2 years ago
Based on the article I'm going with either 1 or 2. It said 50% couldn't
answer questions revolving around definitions and applied theory. Just
what the hell were they doing in college?!
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[]Astralfreak -1 points 2 years ago
A LOT of kids are coming from intense poverty into the workforce. The
public system of schools is not of good standard. Many kids are only
coming to school to get the free mid-day meal provided by the

government. Otherwise they would be out working in shops or helping
their parents earn the daily wage. These kids lack exposure, give em a
few years..
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[]Cronof 14 points 2 years ago
These are university students not grade school students
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[]Astralfreak 4 points 2 years ago
At least 50% of seats in public universities are reserved for students

from backward communities. Many of these students are not up to par
with other kids as far as exposure goes.
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[]Cronof 27 points 2 years ago
This is what happens when 90% of the college educated youth in India
study to be in one industry, IT.
The IT industry in India is completely oversaturated.
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I'm guessing it's a fad, the lure of big money from a box which
everyone has nowadays in their homes.
We have a teensy glimpse of that online, or on Reddit where one
would give the advice "learn programming" or something to a guy
who's just lost his job in an unrelated field. But that's completely
harmless and will just result in that person poking at IT and seeing if
that kind of work suits him or her... No harm done. There are plenty of
resources online and one can always see if software dev. is a good fit.
Yet, on the other side of the globe, heck, even in my Eastern European
country, someone will suggest something like that and you'll get to
find a degree mill who will gladly award you with a BS or MS in IT
based fields, even if you can't navigate to a directory in a Linux shell.
Just memorize a few terms and maybe cheat a bit... and give cash up
front. Why would one need such a degree? Because they heard there's
good money in it... or they really like playing Counter Strike and
logging in on Facebook, so that's kinda like IT.
It's not just India...
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[]theodorAdorno 3 points 2 years ago
Do you think it is possible for every industry to become oversaturated?
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[]democratic_anarchist 7 points 2 years ago
yes. science.
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India is full of bullshit degrees, but they have so big volumes that you
can still find highly capable software engineers.
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[]CodeMonkey24 102 points 2 years ago
This article completely skips over the underlying cause. It's because
their educational culture focuses on rote memorization, over critical
thinking and problem solving skills. That is cause of the "poor skills in
... concepts learning" cited in the article.
At the local university, there was a big push to get foreign students.
More than half the Indian and Pakistani students that came over never
made it past first year, or barely passed their courses. They were
unable to take the course work they memorized and use the concepts
to solve similar (but not identical) problems, and so many failed their
final exams.
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[]I-am_Batman[S] 41 points 2 years ago
Moreover, not more than 25 per cent of the graduating students could
concept
they kind of said it here...50% people knew the definition (rote) ,while
less 25% were able to apply it.
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[]russianj21 19 points 2 years ago
As a former tech manger who routinely asked problems to determine

critical thinking, it is apparent that both many overseas universities as
well as many for-profit American technical schools DO NOT teach
problem solving methodologies. I can and have taught someone with
no technical background to solve problems if they have critical thinking
skills. I cannot teach many with Bachelor's degrees to problem solve if
they have only memorization skills. My best hire was a bachelor's of
science graduate with a major in physics with very little on-the-job
experience. He is now a trained network/systems administrator and
one of the best web programmers I know.
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[]themage78 1 point 2 years ago
Wow, that sounds exactly like me sans the whole web programming.
Physics major eho is now a network admin.
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[]masinmancy 1 point 2 years ago
Can they not follow a flow chart?
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The pay in IT is not in reading a flow chart but in drawing one. And a
university graduate really should be in the architect role not code
monkey role. A tech school graduate builds things by reading the blue
prints made by the university graduate.
I presume at least that the article meant "47% are unemployable at
university graduate level" not "47% are unemployable as burger
flippers".
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[]Mortifer 2 points 2 years ago
It shouldn't make any difference where you graduate, the role of a

developer should require the skills of a solution architecture. If you
understand core concepts, you can be a solid solution architect. If you
don't understand core concepts, you can't be a solid developer.
I started as a "Developer". I became a "Solution Architect". I found the
only difference was no longer being allowed to implement the solution.
Based on meeting with developers, I could almost always predict the
success of a project. If I felt like I was actually providing some new
insight to the developers, I knew the project was in trouble. The good
developers were already capable of solving the problem, and they
already knew where the design was going to lead.
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[]LWRellim 3 points 2 years ago*
Moreover, not more than 25 per cent of the graduating students could
concept
they kind of said it here...50% people knew the definition (rote) ,while
less 25% were able to apply it.
The thing is this is not a problem unique to India by any means, this
ratio is essentially true of American college graduates as well.
In my experience (a couple decades worth) people learn the 'jargon'
and how to manipulate (in a crude "monkey see monkey do" fashion)
basic tools; and memorize (often via "cramming") just enough to
bullshit their way past a grading/exam system that really doesn't
actually test their understanding of concepts.
Nor is my conclusion based solely on anecdote.
Professor Eric Mazur (Physics, Harvard) found that majority of
his "Introductory Physics" class students(and this is Harvard PreMed students -- a "select" group of students who all had high GPA's,
etc) had NO actual understanding of the basic Newton's
laws; oh they knew the terms, they could "pick" the correct answers
on multiple-guess tests, they could probably even state the laws
correctly (i.e. rote memorization/regurgitation); but they didn't "get
it", they didn't understand the actual concepts in a way that they could
or would apply.
He gives a full lecture on the topic, how he was able to assess what
they actually did/did not comprehend, as well as how he was able to
alter the classroom (over a period of years) to improve the percentage
of his students to actually learn (with full understanding &
comprehension) -- albeit the results STILL weren't/aren't 100%.
Full (hour long) Mazur lecture here. (BTW, well worth the time.)
Abridged (18 minute) version of Mazur lecture here.
Now keep in mind this is JUST one field, and one basic/introductory
area of it. These students still have the same kind of problems in
OTHER fields (actual English reading/writing skills are abysmal, etc).
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[]irshemoo 11 points 2 years ago
Yes this is a major problem.I rem passing my school with a measly

80% because I was not able to memorize exact word to word
definitions and answers to questions .While a monkey in my class had
scored 95% by wrote learning .
I realized then and there that of college were like this I would rather
not go to one.But lucky that the entrance test were not like that and I
got under less then 1k rank out of 24k which helped me get into a
decent grad college.
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What I saw in my engineering program is that the majority of Asian

students had high GPA's because they could do the book work but
most have never turned a wrench in their life. I literally had to show a
kid with a 3.8 GPA how to use a tape measure.
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[]swiftjab 8 points 2 years ago
Maybe your engineering program doesn't offer lab courses? It's very
very rare for engineering programs not to require lab courses for
graduation. Or maybe the kid has a 4.0+ in his lecture courses but
bombed the lab courses which would explain his 3.8.
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[]carbonnanotube 6 points 2 years ago
I have seen that. My lab partner was a brick in o-chem. I basically did
the labs solo because the last time I let him touch glassware he
sprayed our product all over the fume hood.
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[]PA2SK 6 points 2 years ago
I saw the same thing in my engineering program. I had to explain to

high GPA people how to use a wrench. And I also had to explain to
several phd students recently that bolts need to be more than finger
tight. They assembled an entire vacuum chamber and I could basically
unscrew all the bolts with my hand.
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[]MerlinsBeard 14 points 2 years ago
To me, engineering isn't about perfecting what has been done, it's
about creating and inventing. Rote memorization does not foster the
latter, only lets you analyze and perfect what has been done. A more
"Western" education that is more well-rounded and encourages
philosophy, arts, etc. These will nurture the creative aspect of the
human brain. That creates a good balance between engineering within
the realm of possibilities and pushing the envelope to expand what is
possible.
That's just the way I see it.
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[]Yakooza1 6 points 2 years ago
A more "Western" education that is more well-rounded and encourages

philosophy, arts, etc. These will nurture the creative aspect of the
human brain. That creates a good balance between engineering within
the realm of possibilities and pushing the envelope to expand what is
possible.
No one in my engineering classes has ever gave a shit about the

curriculum outside of engineering and yet are some of the most
brightest students. To someone interested in engineering, the topics
within it (math, physics, comp sci) offer more than enough creativity
to digest.
I do not believe that there is any evidence at all to support the claim
that taking philosophy, arts, and etc. classes increase creativity in a
student.
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[]reginaldaugustus 2 points 2 years ago
I do not believe that there is any evidence at all to support the claim
that taking philosophy, arts, and etc. classes increase creativity in a
student.
It may not foster "creativity," but it is vital to being a functioning
human being, which is why the liberal arts should be encouraged even
further, especially to those in science fields.
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I didn't say there was any evidence as I preceded my statement with

""to me" and then explicitly said "that's just the way I see it" at the
end.
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[]Yakooza1 1 point 2 years ago
Why would you believe something if you had no evidence to support

it?
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I have anecdotes but I don't really see that as "evidence". I define

evidence as a case study, statistics, etc.
For what it's worth, I'm an engineer in the aerospace industry and my
opinion has been collected from fellow engineers coupled with my own
experience. Though, to be fair, most of them are late in their careers
which has undoubtedly changed the way they see things. Additionally,
my dad was an engineer and he always adamantly supported a "whole

mind" concept. "Limiting your mind too much limits your potential"
was how I was raised.
When I was in school, I didn't really care about the electives but in
retrospect, and with input from guys who are 20-30 years my senior, I
definitely see their value.
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[]dekrant 2 points 2 years ago
I'm sorry, but how you approached this illustrates how lack of wellroundedness is bad. Life is not a problem that can be solved. It's a
garden path. Never pooh pooh things that you think are at the time
worthless.
As an engineer myself, I could have easily written-off distribution
courses like literature, politics, and whatnot as worthless bullshit. In
reality, some of the strongest life lessons I ever got were from when I
delved deep into those classes. Even if you don't see how it can apply
to your life immediately, the electives you take will help you in the
long run.
A university education is not just to get a cushy job. It's to expand
your horizons and try to learn more about the world we live in. Even if
you never plan having to know the subtleties of Beowulf or the East
Timor conflict, the lessons you learn help you understand the world
and yourself better.
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[]bumwine 1 point 2 years ago
But we're talking about people in the field, not students. They may be
the brightest students but its irrelevant to the discussion about their
employability and real-world performance.
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[]Yakooza1 1 point 2 years ago*
The students I am talking about are also the ones who are also the
most capable and the most interested in pursuing the field outside of
their classes.
They will constantly talk about interesting topics within various science
fields, they pursue internships, and have field related projects and
hobbies. One of them got accepted to Caltech as a transfer from a CC.
Not to say other subjects aren't interesting, but I don't believe any of
them views classes outside of the field to be anywhere near
paramount to their education. As I said the topics within the sciences
offer more than enough creative problem solving as well as ideas to
expand world views.
I doubt that caring for the arts and humanities has anything to do with
the success of engineers.
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[]jus_chillin 6 points 2 years ago
GPA's don't mean shit
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[]Dolewhip 50 points 2 years ago
Says everyone with a shitty GPA. Ever.
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[]KCBassCadet 6 points 2 years ago
GPA's matter to engineering firms and graduate schools.

After that...they don't mean dick.
source: I had a shit GPA and now make deep 6-figures in a very
reputable, top 5 IT companies.
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Well I will use a personal example. A friend of mine taught me

material for a class before the exam, I still had trouble with basic
concepts, his work was much more systematic than mine. After the
exam, I scored higher than him causing my overall grade to be an
entire letter grade higher. It was clear he knew the material more. He
deserved the grade i received. Due to his superior knowledge on the

subject. This really opened my eyes on why Gpa doesn't really matter.
Interviewers should try to evaluate a person on their psych rather than
raw Gpa
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[]Anderfail 3 points 2 years ago
They don't, not really. My gpa was shit in my undergrad because I

fucked around, partied, and didn't study worth a shit. I in turn got a
masters after working for a few years and had a very high gpa in doing
so because I actually cared.
One you are in a profession for just a few years, no one actually cares
about your collegiate experiences at all beyond the fact that you have
a degree. What matters then is your job experience.
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[]wozawoza 14 points 2 years ago
My gpa was shit in my undergrad because I fucked around, partied,

and didn't study worth a shit. I in turn got a masters after working for
a few years and had a very high gpa in doing so because I actually
cared.
So you're saying that your GPA reflected how much effort and care you
put into your work?
I'd say that shows your GPA means something.
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[]Anderfail 1 point 2 years ago
Not really. I got a job regardless of my gpa because I interview well

and know how to make contacts. Once you're out in the working
world, no one cares what your gpa in college so long as you have a
degree. Your work experience is all that matters.
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[]Dolewhip 5 points 2 years ago
They don't, not really.

My gpa was shit in my undergrad
I thank you for proving my point. I agree with the second part though,
but that's not what we're talking about.
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[]Landarchist 14 points 2 years ago
From someone who's had to process resumes: Bullshit.

The job market is so bad that we look at literally hundreds of resumes
for any one position. That means we try to throw out 2/3 of them on
the first pass, in a matter of a few minutes, before going back and
giving the remaining 1/3 real consideration. Now how do you think we
pick the ones to discard at just a glance?
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Let me guess, on Gpa? Because GPA is supposedly a guarantee on

high performance. I can't blame you however you can't possibly
believe that it means anything, for the most accurate assessment on
best employee, you will likely have to interview every candidate, which
is of course impossible. Also what is your field ? Just curious
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[]i_dont_play_chess 1 point 2 years ago
Awfully bold of you to assume that I can't possibly believe something.
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[]jus_chillin 1 point 2 years ago
Ur an idiot
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[]tRfalcore 8 points 2 years ago
A good GPA means you are able to at least put forth the effort to get
good grades. Which is a simple litmus test for for separating people.
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Seriously? They show effort put forth by the student. Sure in

engineering there are classes that are designed to make the student
learn the most amount of information in a given time and doesn't
really focus in on grades. But saying the don't mean shit really implies
you just didn't do very well in your classes.
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Let me put it this way; there are classes where I knew more material
than my grade reflected and then there are classes in which I knew
less than what my grade reflected. So how does one take these factors
in account?
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[]wozawoza 0 points 2 years ago
Law of averages.
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I had to see it to believe but at least in the programming field you can
see the difference between someone in North America/Europe who
programs in their spare time or who attends a theory-heavy CS school
and someone from India, Russia, Ukraine, etc.
There's a huge difference in the architecture and the priorities on
projects and outsourced workers have a tendency to be all "yes sir we
can do that sir, in whatever time you want us to sir".
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[]Deluvas 10 points 2 years ago
"yes sir we can do that sir, in whatever time you want us to sir"
Just look at the indian freelancer/agencies on outsourcing websites.
That phrase is everywhere.
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[]shirokage7 6 points 2 years ago
When I was finishing my degree in computer theory and analysis (in

the US) I was paired up for a project with a student from India. When
we began to discuss the project she dropped this bomb on me: "I don't
know how to program."
"You don't know how to program in Java?" I asked.
"No. We were never taught programming at my school."
"This is a fourth/fifth year course, you should have learned
programming your first two years. Are you sure you have the right
class and program?"
"Oh yes. I'm here to get my Masters in Computer Science. I got my
Bachelors back home, but they didn't teach us programming."
Luckily the class wasn't difficult and I completed each project on my
own. Initially, I struggled with how to deal with the situation. If I
insisted she do her part, the programs would be incomplete and I
would get bad grades for her shitty work. If I do it myself, she gets
undeserved grades - and, in my opinion, if she manages to graduate
with a CS degree from my college it would make my degree less
valuable.
So, I went to my professor and explained what was going on. He told
me how this lack of programming skill was common among foreign
students. He then made the final exam a calculator app that had to be
done alone during two class periods (Monday and Friday). My inbox
FILLED with desperate emails for help that week - including a final
email that said, "You are no help. My brother is helping me. Thank you
for nothing."
I forwarded that email to the professor and he took it to the academic
integrity board. I had run all of our projects through Git, so I was able
to show that she had only done one commit during the entire semester
- and that update created over 100 errors in a nearly finished
program. The board asked me, "Do you think Ms. X would have been
capable of writing the program she submitted as her final exam?" Oh,
the look on her face when I said, "No. That program compiled
properly."
She was expelled from the school for cheating (receiving outside
assistance) on a final exam.
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[]ediciusNJ 2 points 2 years ago
That story brought joy to my heart, seeing that someone gets called
out on their BS like that and getting what they deserve for trying to
game the system.
Honestly, I think if this happened more often, we would have much
fewer incapable Indian workers here in the States. And believe me,
I've worked with a more than a few.
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[]desichutya 1 point 2 years ago
I'm doing bachelor's in India, and more than half the student here,
don't know shit about programming.
I don't know whether to continue or drop-out.
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[]LWRellim 1 point 2 years ago
"Oh yes. I'm here to get my Masters in Computer Science. I got my

Bachelors back home, but they didn't teach us programming."
I've seen similar things to this with people who have CS degrees from
US schools as well.
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"yes sir we can do that sir, in whatever time you want us to sir"
That's because they don't know squat about the work that's being
done and probably won't be doing the work at all.
Most of the time, these people just grab any job they can and then
proceed to throw the task at either their employees, or they outsource
your work further down the chain. Seen it plenty of times.
There are companies in the US (probably Delaware) and Canada that
are offering these services, but in the end they outsource it all to
somebody else in India.
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[]badphish94 2 points 2 years ago
My company outsources to a company in India (a few, actually). I

have to talk to them every once in a while. If things don't go by the
book, they ask us to do it. I'm not gonna generalize an entire
ethnicity, but that's just my experience.
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[]theodorAdorno 3 points 2 years ago
I don't think there are magically enough slots in the economy for
everyone.
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[]shizknight 1 point 2 years ago
This seems plausible based on my experience with outsourcing IT jobs

to India. We see quite a lot of issues with development staff being
unable to problem solve issues despite having degrees in the field. It's
not universal of course, but it's not uncommon for us to see an
employee that can rattle off the definition of a concept but have very
little ability to identify and apply that concept.
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[]kuwara_but_not_awara 56 points 2 years ago
I must note a few things that the Indian "system", inclusive of the
students, teachers and policymakers seem to have overlooked either
by naivete, hubris or even purposefully so:
Information is not the same thing as knowledge,
Knowledge is not the same thing as education, and
Education is not the same thing as wisdom.
The "higher education" scene in India is simply a thinly-veiled moneymaking venture by design, from the ground up, and it has never been,
in any capacity, a student-making or country-building exercise by any
stretch of imagination.
This is what the country reaps after having knowingly sown get-richquick schemes since so long, and all you get out of it is graduates who
are in it for the very same thing. You create people who are only in it
for their "hard-earned" chance at the proverbial pound of flesh, having
sunk years and money into the system for which GASP they now have
a degree to wave around RATHER THAN GETTING GOOD AT THEIR
WORK BY FUCKING DOING IT RIGHT, DOING IT HONESTLY AND
LEARNING FROM THEIR MISTAKES. Heck, you dangle a degree in front
of them and they'll do anything to get it except learning (expect a LOT
of money to be involved as well.)
I'm not even getting started on the " JAVA PHP DOTNAT LUNIX C++"
classes everywhere that are another incarnation of exactly the same
concept. Try asking a freshly minted RHCE to name ONE alternative to
init or chkconfig and all you'll get is silence, probably a lot more than
47% of the time. For all the "education" they have paper degrees to
show for, they never learn to learn.
The system is far beyond broken. The intended outcome of the system
is supposedly education, but all that really comes of the charade is
paper degrees of questionable value and a flood of people looking to
milk those very bits of paper beyond their real worth. I have seen it all
my life, and I am surprised that it took so long for the industry as a
whole to figure out that the shit they've pulled since the economy
opened up, is now coming home to roost (stink?)
I'm not even surprised by this article, to be honest. They should have
seen it coming. Years ago and from hundreds of miles away.
/rant
Sorry OP, got carried away. Happy new year to you!
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[]bangfudgemaker 6 points 2 years ago
So fucking true. It has been three years since i have started working,
and looking back i realized i never actualy learned anything. thanks to
my job i was able to apply some of my skills practically, it was a bit
hard at first but i got an hang of it now. the problem with the indian
education is you will never find out what you are good at or even
interested in. for school to college all you are asked to do is mug up
mug up and vomit. sad state of affairs truly :(
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You're never given a chance to deviate from the prescribed,

perpetually precambrian syllabus. But there's a new edition of the
most-prescribed textbook every semester, almost clockwork, so that
the publishers earn hand over fist-in-your-arse.
You're never going to be able to use your curiosity to explore the limits
of your intellect and have a chance to flex your interests, because
unless you can faithfully reproduce the pointless banalities of your
textbook in the exam, you are so SOL. Your curiosity and intellect are
brutally murdered on arrival into the system, a necessary event to
"integrate" you into the "productive" workforce.
Welcome to India. Where we're taught to be boss-pleasing sheep on a
conveyor belt made of our own money and driven into the gory depths
of intellectual hell by boneheaded policymakers, "teachers" and
institutions whose raison d'etre is only to make a quick buck.
Those who can find work, use it to birth the next generation of
obedient tools marinated in ignorance, hubris and self-centeredness
for all the easy money. Those who can't find work, teach and THEN
use it to birth the next generation of obedient tools marinated in
ignorance, hubris and self-centeredness for all the easy money. The
real deliverable, education, NEVER figures ANYWHERE in this whole
farce.
:(
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ose who can't find work, teach and THEN use it to birth the next
generation of obedient tools marinated in i
you Spoke my mind. i didn't realize how damaging my education was
until i started to work. No wonder the good ones leave the country by
the number whilst the rest of the sheep's are still here. depressing,
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[]kuwara_but_not_awara 1 point 2 years ago
I had the misfortune of having n00b "lecturers" barely 6mths after

having passed their own degree exams. The snootiness was all but
dripping from their "haha, i have a degree and you don't so currently I
can play god" stuck-up attitude.
And it still grinds my gears. In a country that espouses "Guru Devo
Bhava." If they could even begin to understand why they're part of the
problem, it would be equivalent to another independence movement.
Sorry for replying to a dead thread :/
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True. Arrogance with ignorance is a deadly combination and Most

parents or student do not realize this.
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[]vlonylene 2 points 2 years ago
being an arch user, i would say the go with systemd as a alternative

for init. and at the risk of sounding to start a distrowar, one could just
cat rc.conf
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You're right (though I wasn't looking for answers ;) ) I wonder if the

situation is more than ignorance.
I know someone doing a PhD in "cloud computing" in this country and
guess what: "Linux 6u2" is the "linux" he uses.
HOLY SHIT. WTF IS A LINUX 6u2? Redhat Linux Enterprise 6 update 2.
I have given to calling it mental waterboarding.
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[]vlonylene 2 points 2 years ago
I know the context of the thread was on the indian education system
and it perils or woes as we call it, but i couldn't resist to reply to a
linux question in a reddit thread related to india.
If it were upto me, i would make everyone of them to install gentoo on

a rasberry pi, before allowing themselves to call on their expertise with
linux.
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[]nrith 26 points 2 years ago
Forgive my ignorance, but lack of English skills? I got the impression,

from all the Indian guys I've ever worked with, that English is either a
native language in India, or is taught in school from a very early age.
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[]pauly_pants 30 points 2 years ago
I believe India actually has the highest population of English speakers

in the world.
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[]Alaukik 4 points 2 years ago
Nope.
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[]utsavman 11 points 2 years ago
But they are all mostly terrible at English. The people here speak a
very broken kind of English and they have have almost no
communication skills or public speaking ability. Everyone gets amazing
marks in their examinations but break down at job interviews just
because they are too shy.
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Most Indians are too shy because not many are encouraged to have an
open mind and so many are not comfortable talking to a stranger.
You'll find a lot of youngsters who will not be able to talk to the
opposite sex. So, there is also a cultural aspect to the poor
performance of professionals here.
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[]shannondoah 1 point 2 years ago
Grades are massively inflated in India.Getting a 95% in English is of

no value.
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[]perseus0807 1 point 2 years ago
Ugh, sore spot. Don't get me started on grades, particularly English

grades. I was one of the lowest in my year, 60%. -_- I mean, I like to
think I can speak English pretty well, but I'm damned if I'm going to
mug up an entire textbook to please you, thank you very much.
State boards, I tell ya
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I was referring to the CBSE grades.
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highest population of *
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[]1h8fulkat -1 points 2 years ago
"Speakers"
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Well... duh?
The Indian guys you worked with were the 53% that was employable.
What next, you are doubting people die because everybody you ever
talked to has been alive?
Never visit NASA, you might be shocked to find that some things are in
fact rocket science.
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[]thai_tong 8 points 2 years ago
That is correct, there are many official languages of India and rather
than learning the main one (Hindi) the people started learning English
to better their job prospects and a sort of unofficial agreement
happened that people from all language backgrounds would learn
english to communicate between each other. Now english is taught in

most schools.
Source: Two Indians exchange students in my course
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[]GAndroid 1 point 2 years ago
rather than learning the main one (Hindi) the people started learning
English to better their job prospects
Not necessarily true. Many schools in india have English as a medium
of instruction. There is no way out of that.
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[]Lysergicide 1 point 2 years ago
Though, at least with the Indians that I work with, they all seem to
use archaic phrases like "please do the needful". Also they are mostly
lacking in critical thinking skills.
Source: tech support
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Generally speaking, languages spoken outside the "main" hubs tend to

be more conservative. India retains the use of English because of
British Raj and the Tamil's resistance to Hindi as the sole official
language of India, so English has a secondary role compared to
people's mother tongues.
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[]i_dont_seed 10 points 2 years ago
It is. Almost every high school has English as a mandatory course. Any
college student in India is fluent in English.
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[]Anderfail 10 points 2 years ago
Uh yeah. Tons of Indians suck miserably at English due to poor

phonetics, ridiculously heavy accents, and rigid manner of speaking.
This isn't even getting into the very very poor writing ability of many
Indians that I've seen (it's so poor that it wouldn't pass my wife's 8th
grade English class).
It may be an official language, but that doesn't really mean much of
anything.
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[]afcanonymous 3 points 2 years ago
What do you mean by rigid manner of speaking?
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[]pujuma 5 points 2 years ago
"please do the needful"
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[]afcanonymous 2 points 2 years ago
Ehh, that was acceptable when the British were around and its a
holdover of colonial English.
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you just answered your own question, in a way, sort of.
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[]chuckling_neckbeards 0 points 2 years ago
Do you think the average American could pass an 8th grade English
class? I don't think so.
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These were masters students, so yeah they should be well above

average in English ability. I spent more time correcting their shitty
writing than I would have just writing it alone.
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[]chuckling_neckbeards 1 point 2 years ago
All of my classmates had shit English, obviously the immigrants had

worse English. Basically what they wrote I had to re-write. When the
really white cornbread Americans wrote a paper, it was almost as bad.

I was a MIS major.
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You are working with the ones who speak good English and made it to
the west. Visit India and you will meet plenty of people who speak
unintelligible English.
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[]0rangecake 1 point 2 years ago
you can't understand their accent.
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50% of the kids in my M.A. English batch at Delhi University couldn't

speak English. Even fewer could write comprehensibly.
We produce a lot of people who can communicate in English - ask for
directions, order food at a restaurant, etc. But very, very few can think
or explain concepts and ideas in English.
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[]Gunner3210 2 points 2 years ago
Which Indian guys have you worked with? In the US? You are seeing
the cream of the crop here.
If you go to India you will find graduates from English medium
colleges who spell the word "college" as "collage."
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[]LWRellim 1 point 2 years ago*
I got the impression, from all the Indian guys I've ever worked with,
that English is either a native language in India, or is taught in school
from a very early age.
Speaking a language is a significantly different thing than having the
"English skills" that are necessary to READ with comprehension, or to
WRITE coherently for technical and business jobs.
Many Americans (including college grads) also lack these skills. I know
people with advanced degrees and in management positions who
cannot seem to read through an even fairly simple technical report (it's
one reason they always want an abbreviated "executive summary" at
the beginning); and they likewise could not write their way out of a
proverbial wet paper bag if their life depended on it. How did they
obtain their advanced degree? I presume by somehow
charming/paying others into doing their "writing" for them; and they
do much the same thing in their jobs.
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[]yellowdart654 1 point 2 years ago
While they know the vocabulary, and the grammar (perhaps better
grammar than many natives), their accent is, often, very thick. This is
a huge impediment to effective communication, especially in the most
common form I interact with the Indian community (telephone
support).
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[]runvnc -2 points 2 years ago
I'm glad you brought up the English skills because I think this is the
key thing leading them to this conclusion about "unemployability". It
may be the case that many colleges or students in India are not very
effective. Certainly that is the case in the United States. I assume that
since India has much fewer resources it is worse.
However, this article is largely being upvoted on the basis of racism
against Indians and the conclusion that half of Indian graduates are
unemployable is just not accurate or fair. Its ridiculous. Basically they
are suggesting that any Indian graduate who is not fluent in English is
not employable.
Imagine if we did a study of American college graduates and then
evaluated them based on their proficiency in the Mandarin language or
some other language. We would have to conclude that 99% of
American college graduates are unemployable.
I think that conclusion they are making mainly reflects the fact that
the economic situation India, as it is in many countries, is quite poor
and unfair. There aren't enough jobs, and many of the ones that are
available require the individuals to not only be fluent in two languages
but also have a depth of knowledge and skills in a domain area.
The human brain does not have an infinite capacity for knowledge or
skills. Truly fluent bilingualism requires a great deal of early training,
practice, and more talent than average. Without that early exposure
its going to be a long difficult uphill battle to gain fluency in a second
language.
Anyway, this is as much about the economic situation as it is about
anything else. Its just that the economics are harder to blame, so they
blame the educational system or the individuals.
I'm not saying that Indian education cannot improve greatly or that
there aren't problems with colleges or educational techniques, but to
come to the conclusion that half of the population is unemployable is
not fair or accurate. There may not be jobs.
Maybe the pressure that automation puts on our outdated societal
structures is felt more accutely in areas that are less wealthy.
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[]frustratedopinion 4 points 2 years ago*

If all the jobs to be had required dealing with people that spoke
Mandarin, then yes I would. Just because it's not fair doesn't mean it
isn't real.
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[]LWRellim 1 point 2 years ago

Hell, if you did an ACTUAL test of American college graduates'

proficiency in ENGLISH, a significant percentage (I'd bet somewhere
around half) would fail.
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[]paulysan -4 points 2 years ago
From my experience at my University (middle of Illinois), most of the

Indian international students can't speak English. Usually they have at
least one or two guys around who know it enough to get buy and they
just end up translating it for them. It is so bad that they apparently
teach some classes in Hindi, because the Indian students can't
understand the lessons otherwise.
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I think i saw a video on youtube in 2008 by some US professor which

basically said the same thing. India and china both suffer from the
same problem. In fact the percentage might even be higher in china.
Edit: found the link!
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[]alok99 7 points 2 years ago
I get "This video does not exist" with that link. You might've
copy/pasted it wrong. I'm curious to see the video
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Rote memorization will only get you so far, which is essentially what
Indian education system is like other South Asian countries. There
needs to be a about-face shift in education system in India. Imagine
what India can do if their thousands of new graduate were competent
in their respective field. Who knows maybe the guy who makes faster
than light speed or girl that cures cancer might be an Indian but
her.her talent are being squandered away by an dismal educational
system.
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[]jivatman 9 points 2 years ago
Ramanujan could have done a lot more if he didn't have to waste time
essentially recreating all of existing modern mathematics.
Seriously though, he's the edge of edge cases anyway.
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[]Yakooza1 2 points 2 years ago
Do you think mathematicians further mathematics out of the blue?

That some geniuses who never even been taught addition go on to do
invent Calculus independently?
Its all built on precedents.
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[]heavenlytoaster 8 points 2 years ago
I think the point of the Ramanujan example is that YES that CAN
happen.
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[]Yakooza1 7 points 2 years ago*
At the Kangayan Primary School, Ramanujan performed well. Just

before the age of 10, in November 1897, he passed his primary
examinations in English, Tamil, geography and arithmetic. With his
scores, he stood first in the district.[21] That year, Ramanujan entered
Town Higher Secondary School where he encountered formal
mathematics for the first time.[21]
By age 11, he had exhausted the mathematical knowledge of two
college students who were lodgers at his home. He was later lent a
book on advanced trigonometry written by S. L. Loney.[5][22] He
completely mastered this book by the age of 13 and discovered
sophisticated theorems on his own. By 14, he was receiving merit
certificates and academic awards which continued throughout his
school career and also assisted the school in the logistics of assigning
its 1200 students (each with their own needs) to its 35-odd
teachers.[23] He completed mathematical exams in half the allotted
time, and showed a familiarity with geometry and infinite series.
Ramanujan was shown how to solve cubic equations in 1902 and he
went on to find his own method to solve the quartic. The following
year, not knowing that the quintic could not be solved by radicals, he
tried (and of course failed) to solve the quintic.
He was extremely gifted, but he nonetheless had a lot of training in
mathematics that was already developed.
He did not sit alone with a piece of paper and a pencil and derive all of
trigonometry, geometry, and etc.
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[]jivatman 6 points 2 years ago
Trigonometry was known since the third century BC, Geometry much
longer. They're not modern.
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[]Syptryn 5 points 2 years ago
That's unlikely. People who are naturally talent to that point will not
need to rely on a decent education system. See that Indian
mathematician Srinivasa Ramanujan. Similarly, no matter how good
an education system is, you're not going to create a Remanujan from
an average guy.
If Indian gets a facelift in Education, then might be able to churn out
more office workers. That's about it.
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People who are naturally talent to that point will not need to rely on a
decent education system
Yes but they need the educational system to step out of their way and
they need support in terms of funding for research/development or for
practical things.
If Indian gets a facelift in Education, then might be able to churn out
more office workers. That's about it.
Not too sure about that.
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I want to disagree with you but I can't really do it. What you say is
true. Since you aren't arguing against a better education system, it's
all good. A better education will eventually create an environment
where Srinivasa Ramanujas can give the world their talent easily
rather than having to go through many layers of hoops. Wouldn't you
agree?
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[]Syptryn 1 point 2 years ago
Yup, absolutely. It'll hopefully allow voters to be more educated in

voting policies that benefit research.... but even US fails at that, so its
not that easy.
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Ramanujan taught himself everything and had no formal education at

all. Using him as an example of someone rising to the top of a shitty
education system is probably not a good idea because he wasn't even
part of the system. The guy was an out and out prodigy and learned
everything on his own.
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[]theodorAdorno 1 point 2 years ago
Similarly, no matter how good an education system is, you're not

going to create a Remanujan from an average guy.
and even if you could, there isn't magically going to be jobs for all of
them
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I am actually ramanujan.
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[]about3fitty 22 points 2 years ago
I am an I.T. teacher in a college in Kenya. I could go on for ages about

what I think is wrong with education here.
1. They have a "prayer day" for students so they will do well on their
exams. This takes ALL DAY and is right before exams. Maybe this
shouldn't be item #1.
2. There is a "blame the student" culture where teachers are never at
fault for the quality of instruction.
3. I'm supposed to teach PASCAL? Is it 1995?
4. No internet/cost of data is prohibitive.
5. Rote memorisation means that test questions are like "List 4 reasons
ICT in the business is important". With no standard text, how the hell
are they meant to answer that?
6. Absolutely no experience doing any actual programming. The
curriculum, set nationally, is 90% or more theory and history.
7. The college has no sense of order/organisation. What is agreed upon in
one (4 hour long) staff meeting does not carry through to the next
week, or even day in some cases.
8. I created a computer lab, it was dismantled within two weeks because
they "needed the room". Nobody in the ICT department was told about
this until after the fact.
9. No feedback system for students to complain. Staff wages are low so
there is high turnover. Those teachers who stay are generally women
(whose husbands are the breadwinners) who are incompetent.
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[]sabariasgirl 6 points 2 years ago
The university my Fiance attends had a professor insisting that

FORTRAN be taught as essential curriculum for Computer science.
hows that for outdated! granted the prof was also 85 and refused to
teach more up to date material but thats another topic...
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[]about3fitty 4 points 2 years ago*
Interesting! Still used of course in a few areas (finance, engineering,

so on) but shouldn't be emphasised in a 3 or 4 year program in my
opinion. In my last job (in the credit card industry) I wrote a REXX
program to dial into the card networks and update merchant details.
PASCAL is a trip - the kids should be learning Python instead. But
here's the rub. They don't have internet. So... everything is taught out
of 20 year old books. Most of the programming they are doing is in
Visual Basic.
Without the internet, in today's age, you really can't learn
programming. I've been lobbying hard to get internet at the college
but it's just not viewed as an important expense. Meanwhile, we are
archiving the newspapers in hard copy on a daily basis.
Edit: Should also mention these books were written in Kenya, by
Kenyans, 20 years ago, who couldn't be bothered to use proper
grammar or to proofread at all. Even to double check their syntax
before publishing... this means that if their code samples were typed
in character-for-character, the examples wouldn't run.
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[]sabariasgirl 1 point 2 years ago
its really too bad your school doesn't know its priorities considering
internet is almost an essential service here in North America. This is
what happens when "Boards" run schools and not the people who
teach the kids.
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[]about3fitty 1 point 2 years ago
Agreed on the first part, and let me qualify my agreement with your
second.
The Principal of our college also teaches classes, as does the Director
of Operations. The guy who holds the purse strings actually does
support my plan, but it's just so difficult to get anything done. I was
teaching here in 2009 and had to do the exact same thing - I came
back several months ago and found that they had abandoned the lab
and also internet a long time ago.
There just isn't any drive to get things done, or to be on top of the
latest trends/emerging technology. It's not the largest expense here
either (by far). It's just... nobody cares.
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[]sabariasgirl 2 points 2 years ago
and that my friend is a real shame
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[]GAndroid 2 points 2 years ago
hows that for outdated!

FORTRAN is stil the fastest when it comes to raw number crunching.
Remember your fancy SciPy routines? The backend is FORTRAN. (I
was surprised too when I saw the message from "lmdif" and "lmder"
while trying some curve fitting. Then I investigated further. Entire
SciPy is basically a wrapper of the FORTRAN libraries!!)
I learnt C/C++ in high school, then python and a host of web based
programming, and now learning FORTRAN.
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[]kuwara_but_not_awara 1 point 2 years ago
To be honest, today's world DOES have things like COBOL running

production jobs in research labs and big-iron mainframes even today.
In fact, it is rather difficult to find good COBOLists to maintain stuff
written decades ago that is still in use today. They're trying to move to
Java, but that is an entire can of worms in its own right.
It makes more sense to teach concepts related to programming (think
"what is a loop, why do we need it and how can it be used?" rather
than "how do I write a do-while loop in C that barely compiles") but
this is lost on people.
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Totally. Don't fix what ain't broke.
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Just asking, how much does a monthly internet plan cost over there?
Nothing blazing fast but enough to browse websites.
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[]about3fitty 1 point 2 years ago
I pay 1000 Kenyan shillings, or about $12, per 1.5 GB. Some of that is
only able to be used between 10PM and 10AM (Safaricom).
I'm trying to convince the college to get an Airtel plan at about 3500
or 4500 per month "unlimited" (~$40-50), but that means incredibly
slow speeds, especially considering it isn't just one computer making
HTTP requests. At least I've already blocked Facebook...
I really think the best thing for the community would be a public cyber
cafe for free with all social media (maybe even email), and games
blocked. There aren't any public libraries around so.. yeah. Anyway
I'm going off on a tangent.
Edit: Should mention that internet is also pretty unreliable, as is power
around this area.
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Damn so it's also capped? I think I read somewhere that the best
internet infrastructure from that neighborhood was ironically in
Somalia, as there were virtually no government intervention on that.
Is that accurate though?
Hope your request gets through. Internet connection these days is a
must especially for schools.
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Well you know, different networks cost different amounts of money,

but have wildly different coverage (Safaricom is the oldest and best,
but expensive). There have been more telcos coming in and
competing, and they dropped a fibre optic cable in 2009 that was
supposed to deliver great speed, but it hasn't resulted in any great
gains as yet, possibly due to corruption, collusion, that kind of thing.
I have no idea about Somalian internet. I have heard that Mogadishu
is getting safer, and surely in the north of the country things are more
stable, but have no first hand data for you, hah.
Thanks for the well wishes. The big problem is sustainability, which is
almost at this point a corporate buzz-speak word in this part of the
world. What I mean by that is I just know that, like in 2009, after I set
everything up it will only take about a month for them to tear it all
down.
That's one of the reasons I've asked them to sign up for what is
basically a recurring billing plan. The Principal, wanting to show off his
decision making skills, suggested we move to a pre-pay plan instead.
I'm going to continue to climb up his ass until I get my way.
Edit: In Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, internet is definitely faster, although I
don't know how expensive it is (likely cheaper than here)
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[]poop_sock 12 points 2 years ago
Recent graduate in the US. It sucks here too.
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[]Mal_Adjusted 14 points 2 years ago
Yea but the problem in the US is different. We're fully capable of

producing employable people in virtually every field. We're just
reaaaally bad at communicating what kind of degrees/education are in
high demand prior to students picking and committing to pay for their
major. And equally bad at connecting companies and grads. Think of
how many college grads wish they could go back and change majors. I
work in a field that has a huge demand for fresh grads (and its not
engineering!) but most people don't even knows it exists.
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[]redrumofravens 7 points 2 years ago
What field is this?
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[]day_tripper 3 points 2 years ago
http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1r57m0/z/cdk4ete
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[]Eudaimonics 2 points 2 years ago
We're just reaaaally bad at communicating what kind of

degrees/education are in high demand prior to students picking and
committing to pay for their major
Actually we're really good at this...just that by the time the student
has graduated that market has already been saturated.
I mean who would have thought that we would have too many
lawyers?
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[]gRod805 1 point 2 years ago
Completely agree on this one. 4 years is a long time and the economy
changes day to day. Think of something like the iPad, it was released
less than 4 years ago and its completely changed the way we use
computers.
The problem is also that whenever there's a shortage in any sector,
everyone jumps into that field and wages plummet or unemployment
rises in that area.
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[]Caststarman 4 points 2 years ago
Field me
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College freshman here. Please elaborate.
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[]lingual_panda 1 point 2 years ago
May I ask what field?
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Flip some burgers. In India the problem is, everyone is trying to be

an engineer, dr, or some other IT professional. This caused a bunch of
bullshit universities to pop up.
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No way man. Most ppl *arnt * doing stem
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LOL, no fuckin' no
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[]verytroo 1 point 2 years ago
Not so much. There is a reason why everyone is trying to be an

engineer. There is a lot, i mean a fucking lot of people doing nothing
but flipping burgers there. Then there is an awful lot cutting onions for
them. Another lot is clearing the tables and there is yet another lot
forced to live on leftover burgers. Its just so many people that earning
a decent wage is not easy. Add to it the social pressure of doing better
than others and you get everyone competing for the same things.
India hasn't got a single problem mate. I am sometimes amazed how
does the country survive.
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[]timescrucial -1 points 2 years ago
Cows are sacred man. It's like asking you to grill some 50 dollar bills.
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Metaphorical burgers then?
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[]jus_chillin 1 point 2 years ago
A lot of ppl eat beef too! They had cow brains on Anthony Bourdain
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[]Szos 9 points 2 years ago
Not surprised slightly. I've had an Indian teacher fresh from India as a
lab teacher and the guy was completely and utterly useless.
The students knew more than the teacher did. Awful. And
unfortunately other Indian professors I have had were only marginally
better.
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[]Shroomfarmer911 2 points 2 years ago
At my university I could always rely on the Asian and Indian kids being
the brightest people in the class. Pretty weird how everyone else is
having such drastically different experiences.
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[]Msshadow 1 point 2 years ago
What I've experienced is the inability to put their education to use in

the real world. It's not a unique problem by any means. However, my
company had this magical delusion that Indians would be immune and
be super awesome (and much cheaper) engineers right out of school.
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[]dd63584 5 points 2 years ago
I can only speak from my own experiences in the IT world. Our

company has opened a couple of branches in India and we have a lot
of Indian colleagues in most of the EU branches in Spain, England,
Germany, France, Netherlands. I have noticed a couple of things that
makes working with said colleagues very difficult but I'm not sure if it's
because of the way they are educated or something else.
Most of my Indian colleagues are easily able to follow a checklist or set

of instructions as long as there is no deviation from the expected
results. As soon as something unexpected happens they either take
forever to figure it out or just give up.
They always say yes even though they have no idea what I just asked
them to do or have absolutely no experience with the assigned task.
Although the caste system is officially gone, it is not in practice. When
speaking with an Indian colleague for the first time the usual reaction
is to first assess if I'm above or below them in the ranking structure. If
they feel I'm below them they will attempt to ignore my instructions
until someone already "above" them makes it clear that I am "above"
them as well.
I'm an American and have a difficult time understanding them.

Particularly on the telephone.
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[]Dangger 3 points 2 years ago
If it's something similar to what happens in Mexico, then the problem

is that there is no need for x number of people with x degree per year.
There might be more of a need for people with technical degrees but
not for people who are sociologist for example or even engineers.
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[]proper_b_wayne 3 points 2 years ago
I am pretty sure that this is a problem for all developing countries with
a huge student population, i.e. China, etc. The number of people who
knows how to teach is very small in relation to the number of
students. So for those who don't know how to teach, they can only
make their students go after some easy to see/measure metric, the
test scores.
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[]angryxboxonedad 7 points 2 years ago
Here's some of my personal experience...

The organization I work at hires tons of people from companies such
as Larsen and Toubro Infotech. There are very few contractors from
them are are good developers (I work at a software firm). Most tend
to be incompetent. They sent us a Java developer who had never done
Java before. This person was stuck on a trivial task for two weeks and
didn't bother asking anyone for help. Another problem is laziness. We
have people who are based in India that work for us sometimes. Their
code is fucking atrocious. Well, you get what you pay for.
In grad school, I met several Indians. I pretty much agree with the
general sentiment in this thread. They memorize everything and lack
practical skills. It's unfortunate.
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[]b3ntSp0on 0 points 2 years ago
It's less about "you get what you pay for" and more "you don't get
what you don't pay for".
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[]angryxboxonedad 1 point 2 years ago
Fair enough.
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[]warpfield 6 points 2 years ago
In a shocking twist, there are also people who never graduated who
have great jobs
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[]1percentof1 1 point 2 years ago
My world has been shattered
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[]bjarkebjarke 8 points 2 years ago
That's what you get when everybody has to get BBA/MBA, and all it
requires it memorizing slides/books.
Hence why I, as a Scandinavian engineer, do not really fear for my
job. Here, critical learning/problem solving is THE most important
thing - rated way higher than memorization. Unless they start picking
things up in Asia, I doubt they'll progress that much.
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[]idiocratic_method 8 points 2 years ago
i feel the same way as an american software developer.

good luck offshoring that , here's my number when you give up in a
year and realize its not going to be what you want.
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From my experience they'll just keep trying until it comes out right,
even if it takes 5 times, until they have to start hiring US consultants
at 120k / person.
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[]ameoba 1 point 2 years ago
The $200k/yr senior consultant is obviously worth that much. An

$80k/yr engineer is not, because you can outsource it to an Indian for
$25k/yr.
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But you can't. At least if you expect the same quality of work. It isn't
just because of location that one is making 80 while the other only
makes 25. When I hand off work to our onshore developer, I expect
that they'll be able to do it, while when I hand work off to offshore
developers it's more "I hope they don't have too many issues with
this."
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Except when you need an engineer onsite...
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[]lowPassIQFilter 4 points 2 years ago
From my personal experience i'm not surprised. I'm in

computer/electrical engineering, and i am not impressed with the
foreign grad Indians. For example, in one our our labs, we were
suppose to get a robot to move forward and backwards, and ect. the
code was given to get the robot to move forward, all we needed to do
was invert the op codes to get to move backwards by adding a "~"
It was a two week lab, and on the date before it was due, the grad
students in our lab were still working on how to get it to move
backwards. It's like they never touched any programming language
before.
They are a few Indian students that i will are intelligent, but half of the
ones i encounter are incompetent.
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[]Msshadow 1 point 2 years ago
My experience is similar, but in a different industry. Not living up to

the hype, but arrogant as hell.
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[]tbotjenkins 4 points 2 years ago
Corporations no longer want to spend on building up an employee, a

career... The Indian govt should invest in companies that push for
building up graduates for employment rather than expecting ready
baked drones to come knocking.
It's not an Indian issue, it's a business decision to not invest in people
happening all over...
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I am a lead web developer and I have in interviews suggested I would

want to have some juniors under me to lessen my load work and to
because I enjoy coaching. Far to often I hear there is no need, they
only hire seniors (they don't because they can't find them) because
they don't have time to train juniors...
So where do the seniors come from? Either they don't because they
can't be found or from people who flat out lie on their resume.
You can hire three juniors for the price of one lying senior and then
there fresh young nimble minds are all yours to twist and turn... I
mean nurture however you want. MAhwaaha!
Everyone expects a ready made developer with ten years experience
in the exact toolset used in the company to just appear magically in
the sky. Pretty sad.
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[]rdudejr 2 points 2 years ago
Can confirm. Was a lying senior with no experience. That was 7 years
ago. Now that place can't afford me.
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[]magictron 5 points 2 years ago
catch: 53% is still a lot of people
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[]drbee55 2 points 2 years ago
"any job"....really? too much of a generalization for me.
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[]through_a_ways 2 points 2 years ago
What are the figures for American graduates?
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Probably low actually. Most of those type of people tend to drop out
early as higher education is exorbitantly expensive in the US.
I forgot the unemployment rate for those with a degree (any degree)
but its significantly less than not having a degree. I believe it was 4%
last time I checked.
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[]Moralgami 2 points 2 years ago
Im kinda happy about this so I dont have to hear about "Ohhh some
kid in India is gona take your job" Kinda not happy because I dont
want anyone to not be able to support themselves.
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[]zeallous 2 points 2 years ago
I know a lot of smart Indians, outside India. What's actually missing

that makes them so unemployable?
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[]ajainy 5 points 2 years ago*
Have we (indians) thought about MBBS schools churn out quality.

Students are given admission in MBBS program, who didn't even pass
high school. Thanks for reservation quota, india has shot his own foot.
I am just imagining head lines after 5-6 yrs, when doctor (most of it)
has no clue. For every patient, he will be prescribing antibiotics.
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Reservation quota? Does that have something to do with scheduled

castes?
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[]ajainy 0 points 2 years ago
Define schedule caste? I would say it's mix of political vote bank and
which caste is making more noise.
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[]Amaturus 3 points 2 years ago
I'm in an entry-level accounting analyst position with a major

corporation. It's exactly the sort of position that could theoretically be
replaced via outsourcing. This article gives me reassurance that it can't
be though. Even at my level, problem solving and critical thinking skills
are necessary to do a satisfactory job.
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[]GeorgeForemanGrillz 5 points 2 years ago
Do the needful.
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[]rubykhan93 2 points 2 years ago*
I recognized this problem as soon as I graduated from a private Indian

HS: The public colleges in India are considered to be the most
prestigious/prominent ones, b/c of their inexpensive fee they have a
large influx of applicants and to shorten their list of applicants the cutoff scores are really high (range from a min score of 96%-99% is not
uncommon). A HUGE emphasis is given exclusively to scores therefore
a tradeoff is made b/w students with good score vs. a well rounded
student with an average score. This incentivizes rote learning amongst
students from a very young age, which continues into college.
Additionally, in Indian public colleges a fair evaluation of professors in
unheard of, b/c of cultural and historic reasons students are
discouraged to question a person who is superior to them in status
(i.e. a professor). I have friends in Indian public schools who shy away
from reporting abuse by professors b/c they know nothing is going to
come of it. The above doesn't give professors an incentive to be better
teachers/role models. A combination of rote learning + bad teaching
leads to an ill prepared body of potential workforce. As a current
Indian undergrad student in the United States -- I, for this very
reason, had to persuade my family on getting loans to study in the US.
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b/c of their inexpensive fee they have a large influx of applicants

The huge no. of applicants prestigious universities have is not due to
their low fees, but superior faculty, curriculum and academic
environment. There are many students from affluent families who
work hard to get into such colleges. Their motivations are obviously
not low fees.
Students' feedback does exist in these colleges(I'm talking about the
IITs now), and they have good lecturers as well. Of course they don't
teach you how to apply your knowledge, that skill is for you to learn on
your own; it is a university, not a vocational training institute.
Very few good Indian colleges(DU colleges have sports quota) consider
extra curricular achievements for admission; and most of the times,
JEE toppers are genuinely geniuses.
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....and the number will only get higher as more and more North
American companies that scabbed labor to India are increasingly
unhappy with the vastly inferior workers [even at $3/hour] and are
reverting back to real workers from their own country.
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[]Brunopolis 17 points 2 years ago
Highly skilled workers do exist in India. And they demand much lower
pay than the American/European equivalent.
I work at a company that has a lot of staff in India and they are very
smart, capable, and hardworking people.
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[]phoenixjet 1 point 2 years ago*
Agree with this. I've had MUCH better experiences hiring Indians than
I have hiring people from within the US. And I've tried keeping as
much labor cost here in the US as possible, but when it comes to being
reliable, I haven't been able to beat Indian labor.
Main reason? When I hire US people, I get constant excuses on why
someone couldn't get something done on time. I don't expect people
to work on holidays, nobody is expected to work the weekends, and
nobody is expected to work during or immediately after a major life
event (birth, death, marriage, serious illness, etc). Still, nobody gets
anything done on time.
I can pay $1000/mo and get much better results than I can hiring
someone in the US to do the same job for $4k/mo or $5k/mo. And the
Indians that I do hire are actually grateful for what they get paid
instead of backbiting me constantly for not paying them "what they're
worth". I tell them what I require and if they don't know how to do it,
they will learn. Fast.
I just got tired of being told by programmers "i can't do that", when I
constantly prove them wrong. When I need a Wordpress widget from a
theme copied so I can input data into it manually inside a text widget
and someone I'm paying $3k/mo tells me "I can't do that" and I take a
couple of hours to figure out how to fix it myself (and succeed)...
something's not right.
TL DR; <3 Indians on Elance. They do what they're told, will learn
whatever you want, and will typically deliver on time.
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[]bureX 1 point 2 years ago
TL DR; <3 Indians on Elance. They do what they're told, will learn
whatever you want, and will typically deliver on time.
I have a completely different experience. But then again, the jobs you
seem to be putting out are small CMS modifications. I'm just finding it
unbelievable that you are having a hard time finding someone in the
US to do that.
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[]jonesrr 4 points 2 years ago*
This is not happening at near the scale people on reddit like to

pretend. They're leaving India and going to cheaper, but equally
skilled (as the US) places instead of going back to the US.
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[][deleted] -1 points 2 years ago
references?
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[]jonesrr 2 points 2 years ago
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/09/21/manufacturingreturns-to-the-us-but-the-jobs-dont/
http://www.salon.com/2012/05/08/chomsky_jobs_arent_coming_back
/
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[]RANDOMUSER567 3 points 2 years ago
Except manufacturing wasn't what was outsourced to India.
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thanks. will read this.
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[]Neandarthal 0 points 2 years ago
Most of the jobs that are outsourced or contracted over to South Asia
are IT jobs from North America. I'll tell you why it works the way it
does and why it doesn't sometime.
The timezones
The work you send over before close of business in America will be
ready the next day when you step back into office. Isn't that beautiful?
Revise, redo, do your thing and you're twice as productive in a
business week.
Lower wages compared to USD

Majority of the work that goes abroad is mostly either quantity based
and routine jobs (data entry, support etc). That's because you get to
hire 5 people and a manager in India with the salary you pay to a
single employee here in NA.
It's a marriage made in heaven, the above two points. That being said,
from a purely IT development standpoint, you outsource development
projects coding for your business logic instead of a business process,
you're screwed. I'm not saying quality work can ever be achieved from
South Asia, it's just that chances of finding it are rare.
EDIT: Grammar
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[]sabariasgirl 1 point 2 years ago
I worked for a company that moved their tech support back in house
because the over seas company handling it was not working out at all.
the users refused to talk to people in India and the work was not
quality work. with any good IT job following a script and doing things
from memory will only get you so far.
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[]Neandarthal 1 point 2 years ago
That's the thing. Companies which outsource stuff over don't think
about the implications. They just see some nice graphs stressing cost
effectiveness and way they go. They most likely trade off costs with
customer service and other variables.
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[]Alwaysafk 4 points 2 years ago
100% if my testing team is any indication.
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India is a degree farming country. In my industry- we stay far, far

away from any Indian candidates that are not raised here and don't
speak perfect English. It's just not a risk we are willing to take.
Especially when it comes to any positions that require analytical skills.
Indians simply don't have that level of education. They are great at
repetitive tasks and development. They are also amazing at lying.
Lying, lying, lying. Not at all trustworthy.
Speaking from experience only.
Not saying it applies to all Indians, but the vast majority, definitely.
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[]IAmA_Guy 6 points 2 years ago
How are the people you are describing even being hired? Most Indians
I have encountered tend to be very capable.
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They are hired by other Indians in the "industry". I'll give you one
guess as to what industry I'm talking about...
They cover for one another. I work in intelligence and IT. Obviously,
the Indians work in IT.
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[]ediciusNJ 2 points 2 years ago
And from what I've seen, if they have an Indian manager covering for
them, they never have to improve and any problems caused by them
are always someone else's fault. I've always called it cultural
nepotism. Even when a recent Indian co-worker of mine left, my boss

praised him up and down, congratulating him on a new job he secured
when I'm 99% certain he was actually FIRED and didn't find a new job.
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[]sddesi18 1 point 2 years ago
could u please tell us what industry you are in??
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[]Poles_Apart 4 points 2 years ago
I took a graduate level Operating Systems course in Linux and my

professor couldn't fairly assign C projects for homework because 80%
of the class was Indian/Chinese Grad students that didn't know C yet.
He did put a C programming question as the last question on the final
and looking around I could tell all of them were extremely distressed,
well the ones that weren't cheating.
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[]tackle 16 points 2 years ago
I got my BE from India (in 2002) and C was actually taught in college
along with COBOL, Fortran and Pascal. So I'm surprised at your
comment. Also, pretty much every CS student (at least the ones that
travel abroad for graduate studies if not all) takes additional computer
classes outside of regular course work. So I find it hard to believe that
you had Indian students in a graduate program who didn't know C.
Maybe it's all java and dot net these days back home.
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Yeah most of them knew strictly Java and were taking the course
because its required but still, the masters program is only 31 credits
so if your under a year away from being in the work force you should
at least know how to write a 40 line program in C. I felt like most of
them were there just to be there not to learn though, I saw some
serious cheating throughout the year.
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[]DEADBEEFSTA 3 points 2 years ago
If you're at a graduate level and taking a OS course you damn well

better be able to pick up C rather quickly. C is one of the easiest
languages to learn. Sure, without experience your code may be a
hacker's wet dream, but for a basic OS course it's fine. You don't need
to be a master. And for anyone whining how hard pointers are, if you
are a fucking graduate level CS student and dereferencing and
indirection in C takes more than a day to master you DON'T belong
programming anything in any language.
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[]GAndroid 3 points 2 years ago
I have news for you. I went to high school in India and we were taught
C/C++ at grade 10. Your college got a "special" bunch of people from
India, but that does not represent the entire country.
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[]Poles_Apart 1 point 2 years ago
Not saying it did, I was just stating my experience I know a lot of hard
working Indian's in the department.
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[]Aeleas 1 point 2 years ago
I had a similar experience in a real time and embedded systems class,

except we were doing group projects (meaning me by myself because
my grad student partners couldn't print hello world).
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Yeah it's pretty frustrating because I learned a lot of theory but never
got a real chance in the class to actually apply much of it outside of
the labs.
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[]grog61 2 points 2 years ago
Expected - Over population in the world in general and therefore not

enough jobs.
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Um... A larger population also demands more services - so you get

more job openings as well. Overpopulation is not the culprit here.
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[]Ritz_Frisbee 2 points 2 years ago
Graduating with an Engineering degree doesn't make you an engineer.
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[]EconomixTwist 2 points 2 years ago
"2.59% of them was found employable"
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[]themage78 1 point 2 years ago
Like the article states, part of the issue is the language barrier. Even if
they know English well enough, they have to convey their ideas to
native english speakers in a clear and concise way. Some are not
capabke of doing this. Even working with remote resources for over 5
years, I still sometimes have trouble understanding certain worde they
say. To a regular person, this convolutes any issue they are working
on. I know my company kept an Indian resource on because even
though he knew less then his counterparts, he spoke English a lot
better. This did wonders in trying to get users to allow him to work on
their tickets.
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[]Tastygroove 1 point 2 years ago
That still leaves a huge employable population. The rest are still better
off than they were.
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The only solution to this problem is to import all of these unemployed

graduates, pay them minimum wage, and create an identical
unemployment problem in the United States!
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[]poetryrocksalot 1 point 2 years ago
I heard a lot of engineering jobs get outsourced to India. I don't know

if that's true or not but that really makes me nervous.
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[]almostjesus -1 points 2 years ago
This is funny because Canada claims that foreign workers are the
future of Canada.
A sad future indeed.
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[]peadith 6 points 2 years ago
"Workers" aren't the future of anything.
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[]cuntRatDickTree 1 point 2 years ago
Canada basically nicked all the decent game developers from the UK :P
So, it went well as far as that industry goes.
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Canada has some pretty strict immigration requirements.

Chance are that if you get into Canada you have a skill to contribute.
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[]motorhead84 1 point 2 years ago
I wonder what the percentage is in the US... I'm thinking a bit higher.
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[]fuck_communism 1 point 2 years ago
They will soon be providing technical support for HP printers.
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[]CheapSheepChipShip -1 points 2 years ago
Indian Mitt Romney would be pleased with this 47% figure.
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[]peadith -2 points 2 years ago
Not bad considering 99% of all modern "work" is unsuitable for

humans.
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This pleases me.
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They need more legitimate colleges rather than propped up social

clubs
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[]EvoThroughInfo 0 points 2 years ago
Just goes to how how important being computer and information

literate is. If you can't operate a computer on even a basic level, let
alone set up networks, tweek options, and troubleshoot you are at a
huge disadvantage.
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[]xwingdeliciousness 0 points 2 years ago
indians are stupid. dun dun duuun
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[]M_O_N_T_I -3 points 2 years ago
...giving them time to brutally rape women.
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Do the other 53% major in rape?
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[]TRC042 -1 points 2 years ago
Maybe it's
the economy?
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[]el_muerte17 0 points 2 years ago
Not in Alberta it isn't, and the Indian engineers I've worked with have
been awful.
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[]drgonzo67 0 points 2 years ago
Pet peeve: When the quoted person/source is placed after the colon...
So annoying.
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[]biryaniwala 195 points 2 months ago
Theory focused course material, outdated syllabus, shitty labs with junk
equipment, no proper practicals, no fixed lecturers, no efforts to make students
job ready, pay for readymade projects, fixed VIVA and internal exams, etc. This
was my engineering education. My college was supposedly one of the 'good'
ones.
Not as if the students were any better. Our state provides scholarships so many
students simply enrolled as they were getting free education and degree. They
only showed up for exams and re-exams, sometimes not even for those. Out of
about 1000 students, I could probably count the number of serious students on
my fingers. Most of them are working in tech support or moved overseas.
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[]HairyBlighter 46 points 2 months ago
On the contrary, I think they don't focus enough on theory. Instead they focus
on rote memorisation of random facts and verbatim definitions. Even solving
problems is done very mechanically without understanding anything. I was
shocked when I looked at the tests of my engineering friends from my
hometown. Turns out, only like 10-20% of the test involves solving problems.
Rest of it reads like high school social studies test asking for definitions of
random jargon, expansions of acronyms, etc.
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[]-_vroom_- 8 points 2 months ago
Turns out, only like 10-20% of the test involves solving problems.
Which is sad how in the contrary 80-90% of engineering is solving problems.
The difference between unis in developed nations and Bharat is that over there
they care about concepts. Hell, regarding some of the memorization stuff, some
professors even let you bring in a cheat sheet and make all the exams hardcore
problem solving!
Because why memorize stuff you can just look up? On the contrary you can't
look up concepts. You have to embrace them to know those.
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[]desilal 3 points 2 months ago
Interesting read: Computer Engg. in India: fire the interest
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[]Aimless_DrifterHeil Literally Hitlers!!! o/ o/ o/ 1 point 2 months ago
yeah they fired the interest long time ago. didn't even pay its dues.
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[]rakshit2207
... 58 points 2 months ago
No wonder you became biryani wala.
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[]33333333333321bae area jab pliz 19 points 2 months ago
Still makes more than a tcs guy
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[]peopledontlikemypost 1 point 2 months ago
Do TCS people make very little? We have a family friend who works at TCS and
their family loves to boast that he makes 40k straight out of college and the kid
is not brilliant by any sense of the definition.
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[]abcdfghjk 1 point 2 months ago
Is 40k that good a salary? I thought these companies paid you around 27-20k?
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[]peopledontlikemypost 1 point 1 month ago
Straight out of college with 0 experience. 40,000p.m. is a dream for a fresher.

Most freshers end up working for free or less than 10k.
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[]anti_orthodoxnot a hippie 11 points 2 months ago
I had a colleague at a big4 consulting company who left his job to start a
biriyani shop in Bangalore. He's doing much better compared to the anxiety of
an average middle-aged techie.
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[]Aimless_DrifterHeil Literally Hitlers!!! o/ o/ o/ 11 points 2 months ago
mmm biryani
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[]yashharf 1 point 2 months ago
World have enough engineers... We need more farmers.. Its time to wake
up..
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[]yashharf 1 point 2 months ago
World have enough engineers... We need more farmers... Time to wake up

guys...
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[]biryaniwala 1 point 2 months ago
With a biryani, you could at least fill your stomach. With an engineering degree
in India...
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[]rakshit2207
... 2 points 2 months ago
Touch
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[]curiousbabuKeyboardartist 1 point 2 months ago
If Chaiwala can become PM, Biryaniwala can become the President.
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[]short_of_good_lengthIm not your buddy, guy! 27 points 2 months ago
Theory focused course material

I don't think that's a problem. We were hardly taught any theory, just some
random facts and rote learning. Theory is crucial in engineering: you better
have a very good understanding of concepts, theorems and proofs. What we
were taught was crap, and not theory.
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[]elephantrypus 18 points 2 months ago
Hardly surprising.
Relevant video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53rohjWiAKo
What is software testing.
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[][deleted] 10 points 2 months ago
That hand shaking and dancing!

"Come on ma!"
All at once "Come on ma!"
I could be mistaken, but it looks like the class is mocking this fellow.
Nevertheless, I'd have one hell of a time in that class. Had a few teachers like
this.
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no its not mocking. This is the kind of shit that passes of as "learning" .
Mind you, this looks like one of those tutorials, or private classes, and not a
college classroom.
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True that, definitely looks like a training centre that promises you a job at the
end of the training.
However, at college, we used to mock teachers like these. I distinctly remember
this class on graph data structure and our lecturer walks in, marks two points
on the board, calls them A and B and draws two paths, one 100 km and other
200 km and he asks our class, which path will you take? We all shouted an
unanimous 200 and giggled softly. This was in our engineering 2nd year in one
of the best colleges. To the onlooker, it looks like our class is stupid, but we
were clearly mocking the lecturer. I kid you not, he was reading some Yashwant
Kanethkar kind of book before entering the class, trying to memorize the stuff
in the book. The previous class he took, he explained tree data structure in
about 30 minutes and called the topic closed.
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sure, yea we used to mock as well.

Just that in this particular case, the way the students were repeating everything
and the instructor was going o it seemed that was exactly was was supposed to
be happening in that class. If it was mockery, the instructor would have reacted
in some way or the other.
unless he didnt care which is sadder
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[]mais_je_t_emmeeeerde 4 points 2 months ago
oh God! That's the best way to destroy somebody's career and future! Once
you're out of that nightmare, I'd be very surprised if your brain hadn't shrinked
to oblivion!
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[]AiyyoIyer 1 point 2 months ago
Hahaha, this is hilarious. Is this for real?
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[]censorboardchutiyapa 14 points 2 months ago*
Our state provides scholarships so many students simply enrolled as they were
getting free education and degree.
what state ? in Maharashtra minimum fee is 1.2 lakh per year in almost every
college in the state. Atleast in Mumbai.
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[]perseus0807linguist 19 points 2 months ago
Nah, most private engineering colleges in Pune are around 70k a year for open
category.
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[]childofprophecy 2 points 2 months ago
where? IFAK it's 90k+
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[]censorboardchutiyapa 1 point 2 months ago
thats really nice. 70k a year isnt bad compared to college fees in mumbai
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[]herpsderpsherpsderp 1 point 2 months ago
Currently paying 1.1 lakh/year at a private college in Pune.
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[]perseus0807linguist 1 point 2 months ago
Me too, but my college is definitely on the more expensive side of things. Most
of my friends pay 70.
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[]herpsderpsherpsderp 1 point 2 months ago
Any hint which college of you don't mind me asking.
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PMd you.
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even government aided colleges charge that much.
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[]roboutopia 4 points 2 months ago
Holy fuck! That's so expensive! I paid 16k per year, general category! And my
college is one of the best ones in the country!
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[]censorboardchutiyapa 5 points 2 months ago
IIT KE LAGTE HO.
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[]gordon_ramasamyI don't have a flair. 2 points 2 months ago
More like nit.
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[]rorschach34 1 point 2 months ago
Nope. Even NITs charge 40k per year.
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[]roboutopia 1 point 2 months ago
Nope. Not an NIT, but a Grade A college nonetheless. Karnataka is a cheap ass
place to study Engineering. We have amazing colleges too.
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[]Vshan 1 point 1 month ago
RV / PESIT?
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[]The_0bserverI'm bored... ENTERTAIN ME!!!!! 1 point 2 months ago
Naaa, I think its SHIT .
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Nope. Not at all! Grade A college in Karnataka though.
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[]arka87 1 point 2 months ago
Agreed. Blaming the students in this case is not a rational attitude. We need to
identify some deep-rooted ailments in the education system and act acordingly.
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[]TheBigLebowsky
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Even in both government and private colleges?
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[]anti_orthodoxnot a hippie 1 point 2 months ago
Karnataka Govt pays for students who go to EU and North America for higher
studies - upto 20L. Oh, and you should be from the reserved categories.
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da faq ?
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Oh yeah. (Almost) Free education for the reserved categories and minorities as
well, even for their MS.
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Don't forget the minorities in that list.
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[]pa_one 1 point 2 months ago
I think he's talking about AP and Telangana here.
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[]picklewhiskyAJM 4 points 2 months ago
Where I studied, it was only the SC and ST students who got to study for free
Ironically, all but 2 of these (of the 7 I knew) were super rich and were in an
Engineering college just to get a degree so they could demand a larger dowry
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[]TaazaPlaza 3 points 2 months ago
And shitty English too
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[]refillit 1 point 2 months ago
moved overseas.
That's a good thing. No?
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[]slurp_derp2 1 point 2 months ago
Andhra Pradesh a.k.a Telangana ?
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[]biryaniwala 1 point 2 months ago*
I would think my name would have practically given that away. :)
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[]xxfalcon69 1 point 2 months ago
Lack of R&D in India is the major cause I guess. Infact even majority of the
startup drive in India is shitty app based copy pasted ideas. Its high time for
graduates to invest in India even if they are going abroad for studies.
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[]imkarthikraj
1 point 2 months ago
My thermodynamics professor has M.tech manufacturing degree. though he

knew nothing about thermodynamics(He said this in very 1st class, He said "I'll
try my best to put my +ve effort to teach you all guys") & he chose to become
a lecturer because he couldn't get any decent job in manufacturing field. And he
is 3yrs older than us.
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[]innovator116Post-Capitalism is possible 116 points 2 months ago
India has an examination system not an education system. Remember this.
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[]desigooner 25 points 2 months ago
Full marks for describing education system in a line.
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[]bharathbunny 19 points 2 months ago
Full marks???!!! That was an essay question. Need to write at least 2 sheets. I
give him a 0
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[]redfilmflow 19 points 2 months ago
You could do it in a word actually- bullshit
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[]the_random_guy42 14 points 2 months ago
That's Indian education in a line!
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[]xaxaxaxa4u#MAGA 3 points 2 months ago
http://www.gfycat.com/NippyKindLangur
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[]fragment_transaction ,
45 points 2 months ago
A good amount of blame goes to Professors too. I graduated from a "good"

college. There was no system.
If you had to submit assignments there was no moodle, there was no
encouragement/incentive to do your assignments on your own. Someone would
bring his seniors' assignments, show to the professor and the professor would
sing paeans to him.
MoFos didn't have a lab setup. Graphics programming was taught on Turbo
fucking C and no OpenGL nothing. The professor had written a book and
questions would be from them.
Aise rahega to ghanta seekhenge.
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[]coolirisme 28 points 2 months ago*
God damn, having used gcc/clang I fucking hated those lab classes with that
obsolete piece of shit Turbo C. And my classmates and teachers were all sheep,
they refused to use anything better other than that when I tried to persuade
them.
Ultimately it just fucked up their ability to write any useful piece of code and
even being CS students they hated writing code. And now they are all just
sitting there with no jobs because they have absolutely ZERO practical skills
required to survive the software industry.
Edit: Only our Java professor was different than the rest of the bunch. Being a
veteran Oracle employee he knew what we were going to face in the industry
and he tried to teach us practical skills such as debugging but those little pieces
of shit I hate to call 'friends' refused to learn anything. They resented him called
him names behind his back.
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but that little pieces of shit I hate to call 'friends' refused to learn anything.
They resented him called him names behind his back.
These people are probably working in an IT company in the US or Europe today
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[]WagwanKenobido kaudi ka pyaar 15 points 2 months ago
I don't think you understand how good you have to be for a foreign company to
hire you. Yes there are many comp sci jobs in the West but there are also many
comp sci students there, with superior education.
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I actually work in an IT company in the West. The number of incompetent

Indian people that work here through nepotism is astounding
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But those are usually in the shitty service-based/BPO-style IT companies.

For real tech companies like Google, MS, FB etc they have no incentive to hire
someone from India unless that person is on the calibre that they have written
a top-5 js library or a million-download app or something.
For CRUD jobs they'd rather just completely outsource, or hire locally.
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Google and FB, yes... They have high standards. I wish the same could be said
about Microsoft
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[]coolirisme 11 points 2 months ago
Nope. Most of them are jobless now.
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[]mais_je_t_emmeeeerde 6 points 2 months ago
I believe that the US and European IT companies tend to pluck away your best
of the best. Pretty bad brain drain for India.
You get fired and deported pretty quick from the Western world if you do not
deliver. And believe me people work like crazy here.
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[]amanguupta53 1 point 2 months ago
are you from my college?
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Does it matter? It seems like we both are from a typical Indian engineering
college.
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[]fragment_transaction
1 point 2 months ago
One of our assignments was writing a subset of C compiler. Almost gave up

hope. No one teaches you that you have functions like strtok() . That there is
something known as a gcc manual , gcc C guide etc. That there are something
known as standard libraries in C(!!) too (apart
from printf() and malloc() calls).
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[][deleted] 1 point 2 months ago
Nobody is going to teach you the whole frigging standard library, get a book
that teaches that and use that.
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[]entropy_bucket 1 point 2 months ago
Isn't the opposite the actual problem. Students need to be motivated to study
their subjects. Can't expect the college or professors to instill a passion. India
should have way more vocational colleges, providing skills. College should be
for elite academics with world class facilities.
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[]I_am_curious_ 1 point 2 months ago
I agree with you on all points but it's actually good to do graphics programming
in C first and then move onto OpenGL or DirectX.
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[]thrownwa 76 points 2 months ago
Glad to know that i am not alone.
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[]sleepless_indian2seditious4me 18 points 2 months ago
Hey brother
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[]makes_mistakes 7 points 2 months ago
Hermano!
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[]Allthatisbrownisgold 6 points 2 months ago
Who is this Hermano clown and why is he making a move on my girlfriend
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Downvote for Arrested Development reference?! Nooo
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[]xaxaxaxa4u#MAGA 1 point 2 months ago
Los pollos hermanos
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[]ephemeralpetrichorCertified Asshat 2 points 2 months ago
There's an endless road to rediscover.
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[]markiv_hahaha 6 points 2 months ago
I'm a rank holder in Anna University and I'm jobless. Backatcha brotha.
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[]bull500 1 point 2 months ago
nice.....
Its so depressing... :/
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[]33333333333321bae area jab pliz 1 point 2 months ago
Hi5!
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[]spockofwesterosain't no buddhi like bihari buddhi! -2 points 2 months ago
yeah. no shit
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[]bitswreck 59 points 2 months ago
In AP students have refresher guides to study from for exams. If you teach
engineering like History then people would only know who is father of computer
and not know how the machine works.
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[]CodesALotabandoning my own country for dollar incomes 47 points 2 months ago
They then become lecturers in some college and continue adding to the
problem.
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[]Lower_Peril 18 points 2 months ago
Hahahha just this week we had a lecture with one such lecturer and she was
teaching css. She was demonstrating div tags and using the projector so we all
could see. And right in front of the whole class she was copy pasting code from
a file she had bought.
Copy paste. For a three line div tag.
No one batted an eyelid because such teaching is the norm. And yeah the same
teacher spent 30 minutes trying to find why the audio tag would not work(she
had fucked up the file location in the src) .
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What's even more pathetic is that valuable class time is spent teaching CSS.
Students should just be told to spent an hour at home reading W3C or
something and then come back for a quiz the next class.
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[]gagaboy 10 points 2 months ago
why are they teaching css in college ?!?!
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Exactly! Jesus christ the system is in complete ruins.
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[]dhondu_bhikaji_joshi 2 points 2 months ago
Even I would copy paste it. a) It saves precious time. b) You can make mistakes
while typing and can waste even more time debugging it.
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[]Lower_Peril 1 point 1 month ago
That's ok when you are working on a project. But when teaching, each line
should be explained while you type it out. That's the best way to learn imo.
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[]dhondu_bhikaji_joshi 2 points 1 month ago
You can paste and explain. Why do you have to actually type it?
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The whole class is more involved in the lecture that way. And if there is an
error, the students can benefit a lot by seeing how the teacher solves the error.
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I have at times spent too much time trying to fix the error, which is at times a
daunting task with so many eyes looking at you. Even then, with the leaps of
reasoning you can make while debugging make it almost impossible for the
students to follow your thought process. On the other hand, the incoherency
and time slippages cause by such pauses can kill the session. From my
experience, its worth pasting material you have already prepared, in small
pieces. Sometimes, I have used the dual screen arrangement, where I look at
code on one screen for reference, while typing on the other. Of course, as per
interactions with the class, the code and session can go in a completely different
direction than planned, but that is generally a good kind of chaos.
EDIT: Also this assumes that you have spent a significant time and effort
elaborately planning the session with well thought out code samples and
examples that you just don't want to screw up.
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Sir, I've had experience of both kinds of teachers, those who taught by copy
pasting and the ones who explained each line; Based on my opinion and my
classmates, the line-by-line explanation is definitely better since it enables a
deep understanding of the underlying concepts; how the methods interact with
each other, sometimes simple misconceptions are also cleared by such
teaching. Granted, copy-pasting might work for CSS but in my opinion actual
programming should have line by line explanation.
You are right though sometimes a bug can halt sessions but if the students are
pro-active enough the bug-finding exercise can actually be fun. This happened
in one my courses I was doing and I the teacher was teaching JDBC. The bug
was a single capital letter instead of a small one. The way teacher used print
statements and other things(explaining everything he was doing) to narrow
down to the problem area was really great and I've been doing that for every
problem I face now. Also, keep in mind this college level we are talking about so
most programs are simple enough to not have bugs that take 1 hour to solve.
But in the end it all depends on the teacher. Everyone has their own style of
teaching and there is no single correct way of doing things. Different things
work for different people.
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Thats not my point. You can copy-paste snippet by snippet and still explain
whatever needs to be explained. My argument is not pasting vs explaining, it is
pasting vs manual typing.
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This this and this. WTF is up with university exams and refresher guides?
Seriously, this is supposed to be a professional course ffs. And frankly when
everyone around you reads refresher guides, you kind of have to. Or else you'll
be that dummy with the lowest marks.
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[]SiriusLeeSamSunny Leone bhakt 11 points 2 months ago
I regret doing that now :/
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[]Screwdriver_walaAgenda uncha rahe humara 0 points 2 months ago
JPH ? :p
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[]Screwdriver_walaAgenda uncha rahe humara 0 points 2 months ago
JPH ? :p
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han saar :/
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[]Firo_Main Characterish. 3 points 2 months ago
I am the dummy with low marks.

Frankly, I tried those "guides" one semester. The only thing I ended up doing is
take a pencil and correct the language in them. Never again.
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On a serious note, I doon who is the father of computer. But I do know ada
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ada
Charles Babbage
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I prefer the theory more!

Actually she was part of the analytical engine project too!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ada_Lovelace
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[]bull500 1 point 1 month ago
yup! should be thankful to these two souls :)
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Do people really find this surprising?

Possessing a bat doesn't make you a cricketer. In the same way possessing an
engineering degree, doesn't make you an engineer.
There are hardly any regulations for setting up engineering colleges and I find
an engineering college near every pizza joint. This brings in teachers who teach
for paychecks and do not possess any knowledge about the subject and also
students who do not want to learn the subject. How can we expect these
students to get employed?
Parents feel happy that their son is doing a great job studying at a college
where dumbfucks study. And this also ruins the life of people who would have
been great autodidacts but they get tangled in this web.
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[]kfpswfPolitical and religious agnostic 22 points 2 months ago
Aye. Have seen the lot. I don't consider myself to be great in anyway, barely
managed to pass with a first grade. But boy, there are some truly lost people
doing engineering. People with absolutely no interest in the subject. It's all
about the elusive "scope" of a field. Ask any fresher why he/she chose a
particular branch of engineering and you'll mostly get a "iska scope zyada hai".
Not, " I'm interested in the subject and would like pursue this as a profession."
Truth be told, even I had no fucking idea what I was doing, but I got lucky that
I actually did have interest in computers (thank you video games and internet
porn!) and a degree in computers actually became interesting halfway through
my engineering. But at this point, I think this is where the education system is
failing. People pursue degrees which they are not interested in, only because
they think the degree well get them a job someday. Someone needs to sit these
people down and ask them what they really want to do.
The other issue, I think, is, families from lower strata push their child to get an
engineering degree as that would be their redemption. I would actually feel
sorry for these individuals. Here they were, struggling to understand even the
most basic of concepts, mostly due to language skills, but they already had the
enormous task of uplifting their family. Many of them tried sincerely, but that
wasn't enough.
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[]moojowhat what 9 points 2 months ago
Truth be told, even I had no fucking idea what I was doing

Hahah, I was in the exact same boat 15 years ago.
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then you started using google ultron, right?
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[]amanguupta53 5 points 2 months ago
5/7 would use again
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thank you video games and internet porn!

Favorite game ?
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[]kfpswfPolitical and religious agnostic 6 points 2 months ago
The one where I actually learned how computer games work, the one where I
learned how to tweak files to get insane abilities... That'd have to be Driver.
This was the real Grand Theft Auto. Changed files to get insane accelerations,
instant braking, etc.
Otherwise, the game which I really love, the one I'd call my favorite, would be
Prince Of Persia, the second one especially. Brutal combos.
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Driver
that game is a legend. i remember playing it on PS! it was hard.
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[]kfpswfPolitical and religious agnostic 1 point 2 months ago
Indeed it was.
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I can BS.
It's at least 95%
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[]lousychemist 39 points 2 months ago
There should be only 20% engineering graduates in the first place.
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[]idfendr 15 points 2 months ago
Agree. We have oversupply of manpower in almost every field.
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We have oversupply of men. FTFY.
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#KillAllMen
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[]PARCOEDEPLOYING FLAIRS 6 points 2 months ago
R.I.P
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[]roflmaoistMannena, Veppena, Velakenna, Pakistan thotha enakku enna? 3 points 2
months ago
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[]-kljasd- 7 points 2 months ago
We did it red.. Oh. Fuct.
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[]chupchapJust remember that! tananananananana papapapaa 2 points 2 months ago
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[]trailblazer7VERIFIED JERK 18 points 2 months ago
As a student from a shitty college what should I do? Should I just kill myself
since I won't be getting a job anyway?
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[]rohanshankar1210I am very
! 24 points 2 months ago
No, you should aim to enhance your knowledge using this little tool called
internet. Look for NPTEL, it's gold.
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[]gagzdMan in a suit of religion, take that out and what are you? 7 points 2 months ago
NPTEL is gold! Whenever i was like, what the fuck is this shit! NPTEL always
helped.
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I think many people don't find NPTEL enchanting because it has shitty graphics
that date back to early 2000.
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Don't think it works that way, though...
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[]asfandyaarI am here to clear ur doubts 3 points 2 months ago
Wow, I had not idea this existed.
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[]aj_nikhilfuck rich people 9 points 2 months ago
no need for that. Internet is full of good courses. Let me know your domain.
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[]rdiaboli 6 points 2 months ago
M.E 4th Sem.
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[]aj_nikhilfuck rich people 4 points 2 months ago
Which stream?
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[]rdiaboli 5 points 2 months ago
Mechanical Engineering
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[]Corporal_Cavernosa 1 point 2 months ago
What is ur specialization? Or what do you want to do in the future. I am also a

mechanical engineer with a Master's degree.
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[]rdiaboli 1 point 2 months ago
My 4th sem has just started and till now we have not had the option to take
elective courses.
I want to build things in the future.
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[]bull500 2 points 2 months ago
I want to build things in the future.

What ever you want to do, Start acquiring your knowledge for it now.
You'll end up taking a job elsewhere unless you're rich or have capital backing.
And recruit people who are worthy(not on marks, not as friends but on the field
- who have the true capacity to work and plough through shit)
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[]aj_nikhilfuck rich people 1 point 2 months ago
Don't have much idea about Mechanical Engg. But if you are interested in
software or analytics, let me know.
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hey thought i'd use this.

I've tinkered around in code before. I know the basics but how do i really
advance? Like creating actual GUI's and working projects or work on existing
projects(Open source ones for example).
Any tips on getting employed into the programming sector and what i should be
doing?
Thanks!
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[]aj_nikhilfuck rich people 1 point 1 month ago*
codecademy.com is a good place to start.
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Been then finished python, looking onto java
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[]ValueAtStake 9 points 2 months ago
Should I just kill myself since I won't be getting a job anyway?

Son, this is 2016. Gone are the days when college degrees were the only
medium to put food on your table. Stop using internet merely for facebook,
porn and reddit, use it to turn your life around. Like others said, crave
knowledge and acquire it from various sources. Step out of your comfort zone,
stop waiting for college to arrange a campus placement in HCL BPO.
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[]eeevk 5 points 2 months ago
Go through OCW materials. Take courses in edx/Udacity. Strengthen your

basics. Google for beginner projects in your field. Move on to advanced projects
later. Keep applying for internships. Maintain high GPA. If you are at the top of
your class and have couple of decent projects, you have the option of doing
masters in good colleges in the US.
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[]ppatraHappy to help! :) 3 points 2 months ago
You don't have to study in the top five colleges to acquire some knowledge.
Study hard and love what are you doing. You'll be fine.
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[]freedomIndia 15 points 2 months ago
The exam mentality and fever. Hated it. Hate it.
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[]unfettered2ndBlue Comet, born to be free 27 points 2 months ago
Another problem is no one to guide you to learn some necessary skills of your
own through internet.
I have no idea myself. It became so problematic when no one in my project
group had any idea to program micro-controller as per project's objective.
Hence I end up preparing for GATE this year and 100% sure I am doomed since
I am still weak at the end. I have no idea what I can do to with this situation
other than apply for any jobs like any other graduate after the exam.
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Hence I end up preparing for GATE this year and 100% sure I am doomed since
I am still weak at the end.
Same here. Year went by watching movies and redditing :/
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[]koleraa 11 points 2 months ago
Do you realize that M.tech is useless outside of India?

Why would anyone want to waste two more years of their life?
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M. Tech is useless outside India

What? Explain.
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[]WagwanKenobido kaudi ka pyaar 7 points 2 months ago*
B.Tech/M.Tech doesn't exist outside of India. Computer Science is usually a

B.Sc, sometimes a B.A. (yes, not joking) or a B.Math. Engineering disciplines
are B.Eng.
Then again, name doesn't really matter.
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M.Tech ~= MS ??
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[]koleraa 9 points 2 months ago
It's supposed to be that, but given that the Indian gold standard of M.tech
education is IIT's, which have decades old equipment and course syllabus,
combined with the fact that the world knows this, means that getting an
M.tech doesn't prove that you know the subject
Not to mention there is barely any research.
Just because GATE/JEE-Main are tough doesn't mean the actual courses are
tough as well. I'm in 3rd year. I could have easily completed the syllabus of the
first 4 semesters in 6 months. Indian education is more about 'Yes, I tolerated
this for 4 years' instead of 'I now possess real skills and knowledge that could
be useful in the world'.
M.tech/MS is supposed to be about pushing the horizons of science. In India,
you're given a fixed syllabus that the previous 10 batches of students have
done with little modification. When you're studying for the world of 1996, who
the hell will hire you in 2016?
For fucks sake, we have to use Turbo C compiler in school as well as college
(that was made 26 years ago) to learn a extremely limited scope of an obsolete
version of an outdated programming language.
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[]biryaniwala 3 points 2 months ago
When you're studying for the world of 1996, who the hell will hire you in 2016?
I'm saving this. It summarizes the engineering education in our country
beautifully.
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[]svmk1987 5 points 2 months ago
Trust me, if you care enough to learn stuff yourself online, you are already
better than 95% of the students, who just care to pass exams and somehow get
placed.
Even with our current curriculum (which isn't bad, to be honest), if the students
try to actually learn and understand everything we have in the subject, we will
get much better engineers. The problem is the students don't care, the teachers
don't care, and the examination system doesn't care either.
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[]ssjumper 16 points 2 months ago
no one to guide you .... through internet

Critical thinking and thinking for yourself is vital to not being worthless in STEM.
Don't expect teachers, go find resources yourself. The internet and google is all
you need.
That said, I'm surprised you hadn't discovered Edx, which gives you the best
resources in the world in a teaching format.
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A student who doesn't have any background in CS is thrown in a completely

different environment. No one knows what happens for an year or two. How are
students supposed to know about Edx and Udacity and Coursera?
A typical student (at least 5 years) ago did not have a computer at his home
and suddenly after 12th is thrown into CS/IT (people don't have a choice of
streams, they mostly choose CS/IT despite not knowing what it is).
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It's really hard yeah. Especially if you didn't have a computer while growing up.
I suppose the best advice for a student just starting a CS degree is. Decide if
this is what you really want to do. To avoid a lifetime of your bosses kicking you
around, you better do this a bit and see if you like it.
If CS is what you truly want to do, educationally, whatever you're looking for,
you can find on google.
That should be enough.
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Decide if this is what you really want to do.

I don't know. CS is the one of the easier ways of eking a livelihood. And many
students that come to some college have decent brains. You learn to live and
love it.
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[]coolirisme 1 point 2 months ago
What can we do? We are living with a broken system with no one there willing
to fix it.
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[]ssjumper 1 point 2 months ago
Break the system in small ways. Raise a fuss when the college does something
stupid. Bring it to the notice of the newspaper and goernment when a university
is sub par.
We need to rebrand this 80% failure of engineers as the failure of the colleges,
not just the engineers they produce.
These are the ones they passed! and taught! The shame should fall on them.
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[]Corporal_Cavernosa 6 points 2 months ago
A typical student (at least 5 years) ago did not have a computer at his home
and suddenly after 12th is thrown into CS/IT (people don't have a choice of
streams, they mostly choose CS/IT despite not knowing what it is).
I remember when I was about to join engineering, 10 years back, CS/IT was my
second choice because "I like gaming". Thank God I got my first choice!
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GATE is also a shit exam. The whole purpose of a master's degree is to

specialise, you shouldn't have to be very good at fucking networks if you want
to specialise in idk, data sciences or something. The whole concept of getting
into a master's program on a test score as opposed to, you know, projects,
research, etc. is so retarded.
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Another problem is no one to guide you to learn some necessary skills of your
own through internet.
THIS. No one says that you are NOT supposed to write HTML by hand. There
are tools that help you.
No one tells that you don't write classes willy-nilly, there is something called as
MVC.
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Actually using automated tools for generating HTML is a bad idea.
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I did not mean Dreamweaver. I just mean that don't type it in vim. Use Sublime
or any IDE like NetBeans etc.
Using vim without any plugins is like self inflicted papercuts.
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[]-kljasd- 3 points 2 months ago
But I am into S&M.
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more power to you Sir/Madam!
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[]prakashk 2 points 2 months ago
There is a reason the plugins exist. Vim or emacs with the necessary plugins
can match or even beat any IDE for productivity.
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How do you get to know about plugins? A first second year student cannot get
his head around :wq . I myself came to know about vim plugins only now (3
years after graduation).
Emacs is a different world altogether. What student would understand that well
you can program your IDE too. Ctrl-X Ctrl-S to save a file (if I am not wrong)?
What are buffers? I tried to get in Emacs and find it very difficult. Let alone a
student with little to no experience with computers.
There has to be someone or some course or something which teaches students
how to use these things. For e.g.: debugging C programs using gdb in terminal
is a pain. If I use an IDE like CodeBlocks (lowest common denominator) it
becomes somewhat easy.
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[]Lower_Peril 1 point 2 months ago
Why?
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Dude online courses are a boon, I cracked a decently competitive exam purely
based on those online courses.
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Have you seen an engineering textbook? They can barely get a sentence out
without fucking the grammar sideways. Nobody can understand from retards
who don't understand the ideas in the first place and on top that, are shit
communicators.
What more blatant example can there be of the failure of an entire education
system? What stronger condemnation of the lazy and stupid professors that
infest most colleges?
Abandon techmax and go get a decent education from edx.org, then apply that
to your even more shit exams and maybe you can graduate with some hope
being competent.
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Have you seen an engineering textbook?

There are good books, you read the shitty local author guys :P
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[]ssjumper 20 points 2 months ago*
I didn't study engineering in college, I have friends who are engineers

(graduated years ago) and Techmax other disgusting garbage was
recommended as a textbook in the Mumbai University syllabus pdfs.
Brought to you by the same retards who think that code projects should be
submitted on cds.
Edit: Made some corrections based on /u/Lower_Peril's comment. The syllabus
now recommends pretty much Pearson and Tata McGraw Hill books. A huge
improvement.
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[]duckshooter 17 points 2 months ago
Lol..we had to print out code!
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Till 6th Sem, all our code needed to be hand written. Supposedly it helps you
'learn' code by heart and stops cheating/copying.
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Did you refuse? I would refuse. You know damn well that there's no way they're
going to take the effort to manually grade the output of an entire division
college. A github link is all they get and if they give me 0 marks for that, I'd get
that in writing and frame it as a badge of honor.
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[]ChaddiMeinNaagPlease FUCK /r/FareUsagePolicy 14 points 2 months ago
they don't even know whats github.
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The only professor in an engineering college who can be excused for not
knowing what github is, is the math professor.
The others do not have the knowledge or authority to grant marks if they don't
know what github is.
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[]friendlysatanicguy 11 points 2 months ago
Have you ever studied in an Indian university?
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Briefly
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porn site for bots
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[]ValueAtStake 1 point 2 months ago
lmao, I almost fell.
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[]Lower_Peril 8 points 2 months ago
Techmax is not recommended by MU. On the contrary, students are told to stay
away from techmax. But since the recommended reference textbooks have stuff
that is not in the syllabus, most students just buy it so that they can rote learn
for the exams. Our teachers and syllabus are shit but some blame lies with the
students too.
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Looks like you're right about techmax not being recommended anymore. I had
first read it on their pdf's a while back.
Of course the blame lies with the students as well. It wouldn't have happened at
all if they didn't try to pass by rote.
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Local author represent

Those shitty authors only help you clear those exams.
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Found the guy that started this shitty cycle. lol
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hahaha xD
Man seriously what ever you throw at them, In that final day before the exam
only they help.
Nice pages of summary, Previously asked question - waah XD
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[]dhondu_bhikaji_joshi 1 point 2 months ago
When I was in engineering college, there was a clear nexus. Some of the
teachers were authors of these textbooks. They used to alternate as exam
paper setters. When they set the exam all questions and problems came from
their own book. In fact every problem in the exam used to be "solved problem"
from the textbook. Obviously students would buy these books to pass from.
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this does happen, the only way to spread their 'fame'

Another one for me during school was a teachers taking tuitions - they fail them
in subjects and make them attend their tuition. Only if you do will you pass.
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[]avinasshPM me your code ( ) 1 point 2 months ago
And there are amazing books. I would fap to Tannenbaum's OS book
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[]seriously_chill 7 points 2 months ago
Can someone please explain what techmax is? I hadn't heard of this until now
(older person here)
Edit: Google tells me it's an online publisher. But from these comments it seems
I'm missing something.
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That's exactly right. It's a publisher of technical books. It's infamous for it's
terrible english and some of its books are used to be recommended by mumbai
university as textbooks.
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[]seriously_chill 7 points 2 months ago
Ah. So, low-quality textbooks. Thanks.
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Like what others said, shitty quality tit-bits for students to cram at exam times.
Perfect for those who did jack shit for rest of the year, have no actual
understanding of the subject. And the shitty thing is, it worked :/ I've seen lots
of students during my bachelor years use these. They'd just cram on all the
things, take the exam and pass.
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[]seriously_chill 1 point 2 months ago
Thanks for the info. Must be frustrating for students that actually make the
effort to understand the material in depth.
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[]gagzdMan in a suit of religion, take that out and what are you? 1 point 2 months ago
Yeah, it is.. sometimes. But that's life :p
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Indian authors suck badly. When I was preparing for JEE, my teachers
recommended Indian authors and they didn't fucking know how to write a book.
H.C Verma was the only satisfying Indian author that I could find but he too
wasn't great.
Each book had many problems thrown at us to solve without giving any
conceptual understanding of the subject itself. And those who did explain the
subject, did it very badly.
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techmax
MU ?
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Yeah
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[]short_of_good_lengthIm not your buddy, guy! 1 point 2 months ago
haha @techmax ! We used to read it for the lols
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[]general_landur
ITT: the collective feels of the entire Indian engineering fraternity.

If you're a CS/IT/EE/whatever grad, and you really like programming, do GSoC.
I repeat. Do it.
It's like the IIT brand name, and it sticks. Startups search for you on the basis
of you having done GSoC. There can never be enough Indians in GSoC.
Also, hang out on irc channels. Some that come to mind are #asm, ##csharp,
#java, #python, #algorithms (has this cool dude named flebron who can solve
almost anything) and there are many others.
PM me if you need any more advice/assistance.
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[]I_am_curious_ 1 point 2 months ago
I agree. If you are able to solve dynamic programming problems, companies

will find you and not the other way around.
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That's competitive programming , GSoC is a completely different thing.
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[]I_am_curious_ 1 point 1 month ago
Dp helps everywhere.
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do GSoC. I repeat. Do it
What if you don't have access to good quality Internet.
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[]general_landur
Get a dongle.
I started learning Python with my shitty desktop and Ubuntu with 2 gigs of RAM
in the middle of year 4. During GSoC, I graduated to an HP laptop which had
decent specs. Now, in my second job, I bought a 2013 model MacBook Pro.
Internet connectivity, like hardware, cannot be an excuse.
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The mobile signal in my college was extremely bad. I still remember the day I
had to wait fro over 45 mins for the sourceforge to load. There were no 3g and
in the first few years, we did not even have edge. Also have you ever done
android development on a 2GB Linux machine?
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[]general_landur
1 point 1 month ago
Not with Android Studio, but with that old desktop machine using Eclipse, yes. I
feel your pain.
You've got to do something about it. GSoC is too good to miss, and it's free for
all. If you're still in college that is..
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[]abcdfghjk 1 point 1 month ago
IntellijIdea isn't that better either. You also have to run the emulator as well.
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[]Lazenius 7 points 2 months ago
Are there similar reports for USA/European countries? How much worse off are
we?
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[]TooBeContinued 11 points 2 months ago
They have the best universities and professors in the world. You have to do the
work and actually learn. They don't just had out degrees.
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[]Lazenius 5 points 2 months ago
Not arguing against that all. I was asking to gain some context.
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[]innovator116Post-Capitalism is possible 5 points 2 months ago
http://spectrum.ieee.org/at-work/education/the-stem-crisis-is-a-myth
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I've always said this, one of the main reasons this happens is because colleges
don't care who teaches you. One professor is teaching five different classes, five
different subjects. There's nothing in the name of 'speciality' here. Just grab a
professor, give them a class and mint money. Why can't we have designated
teachers for every field and subject? So they can actually focus on their field of
interest and teach the students in a better way.
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This is hardly surprising, to be honest. There was a big boom in IT and software
in India last decade, and this brought a huge demand for engineering
graduates, and subsequently, colleges. Like almost everything else in India,
education isn't controlled and regulated very well here (it is one of the reasons
why it is hard for Indians to get work permits abroad, fyi). Naturally, there will
be lots of people who will come to take advantage of the situation. Desperate
kids and parents will go for any engineering degree if they can't get the best
college, and you land up with this situation, where 80% of them are
unemployable.
There is a big shortage of really skilled and talented software engineers in India.
And these schools are just making the problem worse by adding more junk into
the system, making the good ones harder to find.
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[]le_f 9 points 2 months ago
As an employer, I don't care if you have a degree. Just a github account with
well organized and well written code.
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Umm are you hiring?
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Yup. PM me
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I'm a 12th fail Saar. Still trying to understand what I'm going to do with my life.
Maybe I'll pm later.
Btw it's good to see that you're hiring on the basis of knowledge, not degree. :)
Always hated our education system, left it in the end.
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[]general_landur
Might want to beware of such folks, though. Not all of them "hiring on basis of
github and not degree" will treat you well. It might be an excuse to pay you well
below the market rate and make you work a fuckton.
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Its a small business - we work 5 days a week for 6-8 hour days and spend a few
hours LAN gaming. We all work, there is no management level, and owners take
a share of profits plus salaries. No interest in becoming the "next xyz".
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[]general_landur
See, I don't know what your company is like, but stuff like "we all work" and
"there is no management hierarchy" are mostly instant red flags. One will only
be able to understand during an interview as to what your workplace really is
like, and that too if they ask the right questions.
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[]le_f 1 point 2 months ago
It's a red flag that I'm more concerned with workplace productivity and
satisfaction over growth? Are people typically more reassured when they hear
that they have a supervisor who files TPS reports and takes strategy meetings?
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[]general_landur
It's a red flag because there's no such thing as "no management", no such thing
as "no boss".
This should answer the question "what are the red flags in startup jobs?".
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[]le_f 1 point 2 months ago
Yeah that isn't what I said - I said there is no management level I.e. everybody
works. Nobody is just a manager. A lot of the companies we work for have
dedicated manager roles. Those dudes do literally nothing but "coordinate" aka
hustle.
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What are you doing now?
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Nothing. Learning some coding and designing stuffs on my own. Love

advertisements, got a creative mind.. and life goes on. :)
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[]MSG_ME_YOUR_EYESThese tags make no sense. 2 points 2 months ago
If you don't mind, how old are you?
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20.
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[]samacharbot2 5 points 2 months ago
In terms of cities, Delhi continues to produce the highest number of employable

engineers followed by Bengaluru and the western parts of the country.
NEW DELHI: There seems to be a significant skill gap in the country as 80 per
cent of the engineering graduates are "unemployable", says a report,
highlighting the need for an upgraded education and training
system.Educational institutions train millions of youngsters but corporates often
complain that they do not get the necessary skill and talent required for a
job.According to Aspiring Minds National Employability Report, which is based
on a study of more than 1,50,000 engineering students who graduated in 2015
from over 650 colleges, 80 per cent of the them are unemployable.
"Engineering has become the de-facto graduate degree for a large chunk of
students today.
However, along with improving the education standards, it is quintessential that

we evolve our undergraduate programmes to make them more job centric,"
Aspiring Minds CTO Varun Aggarwal said.In terms of cities, Delhi continues to
produce the highest number of employable engineers followed by Bengaluru and
the western parts of the country, the report said.Kerala and Odisha entered the
top 25 percentile list of most employable states while Punjab and Uttarakhand
dropped to the 2nd and 3rd quartile, it added.The study of employability by

gender reveals a healthy trend, almost equal amongst males and females.
This makes each role devoid of any gender-bias.However, roles like sales
engineer non-IT, associate ITeS or BPO and content developer report slightly
higher employability of females, it said.Interestingly, the report said that unlike
popular notion, tier-III cities too produce a share of employable engineers and
should not be neglected from a recruitment perspective.
Here are some other news items:credits to u-sr33

Over 80% engineering graduates in India unemployable: Study
Once the most literate state in India, Kerala faces a serious crisis in education
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[]Theywantme 5 points 2 months ago
I could use some engineers at my cable production plant. Freshers only though.
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CV kahan bheju woh bhi bata do bhaiya?
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[]bangfudgemaker 5 points 2 months ago
And they also manufacture some of the most socially crippled individuals.
Looking at you jeppiar
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[]theonlysithleft 4 points 2 months ago
Third year engineering student here! I'm not really surprised that almost 80
of engineering graduates are unemployable. Reasons being simple: we aren't
being innovative . There is no innovation or creativity in what we are learning.
In most of the colleges, what matters is grades and not the skills. So if we
aren't focusing on the skills, how can we expect students to have them? Scores
do not validate your skills, at-least not anymore . we aren't taught why and how
of things! I'll support my previous line with an actual incident where my HOD
asked the university topper what the words "Control System" meant! Why were
we calling the subject 'control systems'? And the person who got first rank in
one of the largest universities in India went speechless. Well, that's a small
example and won't really affect that student'career but that shows you where
the problem actually lies. We aren't creating stuffs, we aren't designing , we
aren't thinking out of the box and aren't talking about ideas . we are talking
about numbers and figures - less human and more of a lifeless calculator . well,
that's about it.
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Infosys's training program should just start handing out a basic IT diploma
when the trainees complete the course. That program made me a lot more
employable than 4 years of Engineering college did
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[]Corporal_Cavernosa 1 point 2 months ago
On the job training is always better than textbooks. I learned a lot more at my
first job than I did in engineering.
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I know you made this statement in a fun way, but I don't see anything wrong
with that. Besides, those that want to work in the IT services companies
shouldn't pursue Engineering at all. I think merely doing a BA/BComm/B.Sc with
an year or two Computer course should suffice. Just talking from my own
experience (B.Comm+1Yr.Certificate course=IT Career of 20 years). Why waste
money when the result would be the same?
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Can you elaborate how and what you did and you do currently. I want for some
career path... do you code or something else...
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[]picklewhiskyAJM 1 point 2 months ago
I was actually serious. That program taught me more about IT than engineering
school. But I do believe that the analytical skills from engineering did help me
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[]fretboard_squatter 5 points 2 months ago
Should I study for my exam tomorrow or not?
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[]jihad_dildo 9 points 2 months ago
When you have the cream of the crop students being sent to IITs you known
there is a problem in the country. That small population of people who come out
of IITs are a negligible amount who give back to the country.
They should make the syllabus of the entire country unified and on par with
with IIT or at least NIT education.
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Interestingly, the syllabus is the same. The facilities are not. The teachers are
not. It's like the difference between a DPS and a Little Flower School (although I
think Little Flower is ok.
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Bhai by the same logic they should abandon the shitty state syllabus and have
only CBSE. But not happening in this shitty fragmented CUNTRY where state
fags want to waddle they local language dick and oppose and reasonable move
at reforming the education system. To be frank, if your fundamentals are
flawed, no amount of higher education is gonna help you.
/rant
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[]thisisshantzz
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Regional language aside (and I think it is important to learn it), you can very
easily keep the Maths and Science syllabus the same. History also can be
concentrated more towards a particular region, though I am in favor of learning
Indian history rather than Punjabi history or Tamil history. English syllabus can
also be the same.
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I think its the inferiority complex that comes up when folks say you don't need
the regional language. I mean seriously that language is not gonna feed you.
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[]l7r3q1 3 points 2 months ago*
Law of novelty. When everyone is educated no one is educated.
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Ghanta sirf exam dene aur degree keh liyeh paregah toh, aysihi hoga nah. Most
engineering institutes don't concentrate on encouraging students to develop
their skills.
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Not like 90% of students/ parents focus on that.

They just want the degree/ 'tag'
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Well I disagree, I really wanted to learn but I had shitty professors, we did not
have all these e learning boom back in early 2000.
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Well that's what I said, shitty under-qualified professors. Assignment,

attendance and exams- thats engineering this days.
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shitty under-qualified professors.

People who could not get jobs become professors. Lot of my friends who could
not get jobs became one.
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[]HairyBlighter 5 points 2 months ago
I've had well qualified professors who had PhDs from the top universities in the
US but they were still shitty. I'm not saying they didn't have the knowledge.
They were just assholes.
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There's a difference between the two. A shitty professor won't help you because
he simply can't. An asshole won't help you because he doesn't want to.
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Im not doubting your intelligence or being condescending, but it seems like

you're shifting the blame man.
Mediocrity/ excellence in your work is in your hands. I know fantastic engineers
from shitty-ass colleges; and the dumb as brick variety from reputed ones.
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Yes I am shifting the blame because those guys did not do their jobs.
I went to an university in Melbourne to see the presentation made by an intern
and the professors were genuinely interested in what he did. They even bring
people from the tech industry to tell students what is happening currently in the
industry and what to focus.
No wonder our kids remain behind, yes I agree kids can learn on their own but
majority of kids need guidance, not everyone is as smart as you :)
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Well I do agree with your statement but then can you explain that to over 4
lakh unemployed engineers in India?. Its not about blame game, its about being
misled. Why do we go to college?. its guidance but then do we get that
guidance from shit under-qualified professors ?
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[]dhondu_bhikaji_joshi 1 point 2 months ago
How many marks did you get?
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[]moojowhat what 1 point 2 months ago
good in some, bad in some, overall average.
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degree lekeh kya huwa...I am unemployed for the past 2 years. Ghanta samaj.
I guess I am not the only one, a lot of my batch mates, even seniors are
unemployed. The least that got jobs, are now working for shitty private
corporations with salaries under 15k.
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[]Random_entropy 16 points 2 months ago
Bhai MBA kerle bahut scope hai.
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[]supertramp24 10 points 2 months ago
I hope that's sarcasm what you are talking!
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Kitna package milega MBA ke baad?
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10K if you do from Sharda University. Yaar loan repay karneh meh toh 10 years
lag jayengeh.
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I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
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There's another good one: Lovely Professional University. Look it up.

/s.
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2L
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[]Pussy007 1 point 2 months ago
It's only relevant if you do it from Top 5 colleges otherwise it's not worth doing.
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[]blumuneRDD fav music savvy golden retriever 1 point 2 months ago
IMO First job almost always has shit pay. Most of the toppers in my batch earn
like 13000 bucks and have 9 hour days. But after they have a bit of experience,
they can move on to higher paying jobs. Good firms want people who can
handle their stuff.
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[]riveracct 2 points 2 months ago
That's the SRS of college. Welcome to IRL.
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[]idfendr 1 point 2 months ago
encouraging students to develop their skills.

Who will encourage the students? The professors themselves are not aware of
the skill-sets that are in demand in the corporates/industry.
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and here i am still pursuing jee and cet.I wonder wether i should really get a
engineering degree or not.
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Do you want to?
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yeah,only if i get into CS or I.T otherwise i dont have a interest in other stuff
like mech or civil.
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As long as you are really interested, and you will make an effort to actually
learn the subject and get skilled, you will be fine. There is still a big shortage of
good skilled engineers.
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True that.But getting into C.S or I.T in a good college is quite difficult.
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Get into the best college you can. It will help in a couple of ways:
Good faculty to guide and help you. Some of them genuinely care about what
you learn.
Good ecosystem of other smart students.
Better chances of getting a good first job.

However, you can overcome all the lack of these things and still be successful if
you are from an average engineering college too. You just have to remember to
keep yourself busy with learning new things and building stuff on your own.
Anyone can be an good engineer without that piece of paper called a degree
these days, thanks to the internet. But yes, do give it your best shot to get a
college college, because it will make your life easier.
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Forms aa gye cet ke?
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nah but date declare hua,5th may ko hai.
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MH?
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YuP MhCET http://fileserver.mkcl.org/approvedinstitues/OasisModules_Files/Files/412.p

df?did=834
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UoP mein admission lene ki galti mat kar. Pick an autonomous college if you
want to stay in Pune. VIT, COEP, I think MIT is autonomous too now. idk why I
assumed you live in Pune lol.
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I want to stay in mumbai,not in pune.I am fine with any college in mumbai.
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Haan okay, I don't know what the scene with Mumbai University is like.
Good luck for your CET! :)
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Maharashtra ?
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[]SpectralCadence 2 points 2 months ago
Hardly surprising.
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[]potliwalebaba 2 points 2 months ago
They will join on or the other startup as hyperlocal delivery boy and probably
end up making more than what Infosys/Wipro and likes would have paid them.
:D
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[]bellatrixshitbrix 3 points 2 months ago
Working for Infosys/wipro is such a joke. But I guess you get for work you do. I
do freelance gigs on the side, nothing that would make me crazy, not more than
60-70 hours a month and make change more than an average Infosys
employee. Fuck you will make much more teaching classes on programming
than Infosys. Open a teaching shop near an engineering college, the final year
students desperate for placement flock the place like no tomorrow. My friend
quit his job from one of the famous big four software company and makes more
, doing just that.
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[]nsaisspying 2 points 2 months ago
yep. taking practical approach to learning and trying to understand concepts

rather than just studying to clear exams was actively discouraged in my college.
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[]arka87 2 points 2 months ago
What do you guys think how's MHRD going to react to this?
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[]bhagwajhenda 2 points 2 months ago
I think the number was more like 85 when I graduated (no links available) .
Acche din aa gaye hai :)
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[]GrowlGandhiTeri baggi mera ghoda 1 point 2 months ago
From 1 in 4, it's now 1 in 5. Excellent.
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[]victoryprince 1 point 2 months ago
There are Graduates, and then are engineers!
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[]abhi2889 1 point 2 months ago
There are so many problems here. First professors don't know how to teach and
students don't know how to learn. They don't know about the online resources
available and professors also don't encourage this. I work in a reputed IT
company and I have seen many people who are just doing shitty work and
going through their daily lives. They don't know about EDX, Udacity etc. I did
one course from Udacity as we need to earn some credits every year. My
manager had no idea what is Udacity.. I had to explain him.
One more problem is the appointment of the professors. They just need M.Tech
and have no value for practical knowledge. I would love to teach but can't do it
even though I have the extensive experience of 5 years. This sucks! I may just
have to open some institute but don't have enough money for it.
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[]bogas04 1 point 2 months ago
Startup India will solve this easily
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[]glottony 1 point 2 months ago
Then let the companies give engineers further training.

The engineering degree is enough for most things the Indian government aims
to provide.
There is no goal of losing human resources to other countries. This is a good
brain drain cutting measure. /s
Of course, sucks to be you
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[]novice1988 1 point 2 months ago
This is what happens when you read from Padma Reddy authored text books.
VTU students can relate.
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[]robbyoconnor 1 point 2 months ago
The problem isn't unique to India. If you don't focus on learning OUTSIDE OF
SCHOOL then you will leave unprepared for the job market. It's slightly messed
up. There may be other issues as /u/biryaniwala as pointed out here.
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[]counterpoint1 1 point 2 months ago
The syllabus should be reduced and focus should be more on hands-on. Many of
us suffer from poor communication skills. Even though you understand the
subject, you cannot explain properly due to lack of communication skills. The
colleges also should get people from industries for some of the courses. They
can actually show theory vs practicals. Then you have so many e-learning tools
these days. Students can really see how stuff works instead of mugging up the
books.
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[]SlavinskGoat 1 point 2 months ago
Wait, the article says: "Based on a study of more than 1,50,000 engineering
students." Is it supposed to be 1,500,000?
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[]victoriousdarko 1 point 2 months ago
I really wonder how this number of 80% was calculated. Did they calculate it by
dividing Number of Campus placed students/Total number of students ? If yes
then it's very misleading because the companies recruiting from campus have a
fixed number of positions to fulfil and if the number of seats/colleges have
increased YoY the number will change depending on static hiring trends. Also
consider those students who reject campus placements for higher studies. It
would be great if these journalists verify how these numbers are calculated and
what's their source data. The article somewhat looks like a PR bandwagon of the
research company.
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[]tldrtldrtldr 1 point 2 months ago
I don't think it's different from any other place. Students out of college are shit
everywhere. What they should have learned in college is to self study, working
in groups and other things. In a nutshell independent thinking and cooperation.
Which qualifies them as an adult. What they end up doing is wasting these
years in some bollywood motivated dream reality. That's why they are
unemployable. India largely has free education and for the resources we have,
we are doing pretty well.
20% of these people if employable out of the millions is pretty large number.
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[]tryin2immigrateWinter has come 1 point 2 months ago
I don't care if they can't speak English or don't how to code but are they cheap?
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[]xxwranglerxx 1 point 2 months ago
Aisa karte hain, OLX pe degree bech de dete hain :p
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[]da10forth 1 point 2 months ago
More like useless,outdated douchebag who has already forgotten what he got
the degree for.And this shithole country wants to be First World.
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[]vatselan 1 point 2 months ago
Unemployable for whom we Indians were never made to work for someone else,
because we have been always the employer not employee those who do
engineering are trying to prepare themselves to become employees which is not
in our blood. That's why we are failed as engineering student its not to blame
any one if we couldn't discover ourselves. The same student when given a
chance to run his consulting company is delivering to the world. The
engineering epidemic is a side effect of our social behavior to get inspired from
others. It can be fixed if we start finding inspiration from within ourselves. As a
student you may not be successful but after that you could be king it doesn't
matter.
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Relax saar, this is too is a part of our kulcha..
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[]donoteatthatfrog 0 points 2 months ago
Time for reservation !!
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[]SweetSweetInternetIconoclast 0 points 2 months ago*
Staying true to my flair. I'll refute this notion.

Firstly, It is not job of academic institutions to make people employable in
particular field. Their job is to teach. People sometimes place undue burden on
educational institute to make people employable. It is ridiculous to think any 4
year engineering college can prepare you for vast areas of job.
Secondly, It pisses me off when people who don't deserve to graduate end up
getting good grades because of their ability to mug up. But from all the
engineers who passed from my college ( Okayish college from MU) no one that I
know of was removed from entire industry terming them unemployable. People
are doing good. Jobs we have don't require that much of a skill. A 12th pass
could in reality do some of jobs that engineers do here. So it's an incorrect
notion that they are unemployable.
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[]GoldPisseR -1 points 2 months ago
They all still end up going to IT sweatshops.
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Mahesh Ramamurthy(Muscat,
Oman)
54 days ago
The problem is with the Indian parents mind set of wanting them to be engineers and doctors and
looking down upon other streams like commerce and arts
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Ram Kumar
57 days ago
Is it that pathetic? God bless these new graduates.

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Seetha Poluri
57 days ago
Shocking !!!!!!This is the result of reservation policy,hope the present government will wake up.
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Siid Sid(TheBluePlanet)
58 days ago
And what could go wrong with that? Lol
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Manish Bhatt
58 days ago
Does it matter, govt keeps the reserved, deserved will anyway leave the country for good as much
as possible, whenever possible.
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Gopal Agrawal
58 days ago
If so high a percentage of end product is not worth it is the duty of the authorities state govt and
central govt ministry of education to either cancell their permit or degrade them for producing
diploma engineer or ITI technicians or which ever productive output they are capable of producing
and further they may upgrade themself by improving infrastructure and experienced and qualified
staff.Some thing is alway better than noting and we must continue to improve our quality and this is
not the duty of parents or students but of inspecting authorities as they are govt body to be sincere
and honest in their duty and do not run after bribes or close their eyes before doing inspection out of
greed or personal gains.
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RAnand
58 days ago
IRONIC That India Produces Unemployable Engineers And Also Lacks Good Plumbers, Electricians
Or Welders.. ;))!!Whatever Can Go Wrong HAS TO Always Start From India ??Will This NEVER
END ;)) ??!!
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RAnand
58 days ago
When Will Industrialists And Government Wake Up ;))?

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Felix Ignatius
58 days ago
These people think engineering is the only education in the world.These unemployable extremely
supreme intelligent people make mockery of other arts and science graduates telling arts and
science are for people who failed in their studies. Is engineering for people failed in their lives
then???????
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Logesh(Madurai)
58 days ago
...indusstriess captains must throw away the dirt of lack of interest lazyness and jumpstart again with
full energy wisdom and force by providing jobs useing our talented brilliant and hardworking
engineers for the growth and development ofour great nation.
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Logesh(Madurai)
57 days ago
...peace progression and prosperity for our country and joy and happiness to all of our fellow indians.
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Logesh(Madurai)
58 days ago
thousands and thousands of indian engineers are brilliant highly talented and has done marvelous
jobs. create workenvirons tools and hightec gadgets as required for r and d and lab and fab at first
and startbuilding new upgrade and enlarge existing plants to feed our own consumptionannd to
serve the world. without increasing capex and sittingidly snoozing and puttingoff all the launches and
stalling and passingtime should be avoided. dont blame our talents and...
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Logesh(Madurai)
57 days ago
lacs and lacs of ....

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Shibendra(Bangalore)
58 days ago
We should all thanks to congress, they really made a bad impact on indian education,and main
motive of congress ministers was to grab money in their own interest. I hope HRD ministers can
save INDIAN education
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Rjz.Nal(MYS)
59 days ago
Does it matter, govt keeps the reserved, deserved will anyway leave the country for good as much
as possible, whenever possible.
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Rajesh Chheda
59 days ago
Politicization of education and divorcing it from reality is cause of this problem.Overall quality of ALL
engineering graduates is good. Their thinking and problem solving abilities are best and second to
none. Only lacking is their entrepreneurial attitude and fear of being independent. But that is justified
because of corruption riddled redtape that punishes job creators.Modiji has not succeeded in
breaking that corrupt redtape and all his measures are like applying bandages to wounds and not
addressing the cause of wounds.
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Jose George
59 days ago
This actually a reality known to every one as Engineering graduates now should be classified as
graduates and they dont even posses knowledge in their streams they have specialised. Pathetic
education system bringing down the quality of education and this is a proof fro that..
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Devidas Telakat(Bangalore)
60 days ago
his is a certificate of failure for the UGC and the AICTE.The MCI, Dental Council as ell as the Bar
Council will similarly discovered as having failed to maintain standards in medical,dental and legal
education.Law is at once a liberal study as a professional one.For entering the practice of the
respective professions the respective Councils have palpably failed. Reservation and agitational
approaches by beneficiaries have served to compromise on standards. Levelling down when
levelling up was intended by both Art 15(4) as well as Art 46 can only produce unemployables. Real
equality in basics cannot be reached by deeming.Equality of status can be only in terms of minima
and here primary education holds the key. Unless primary education is calculated to promote skills
than produce an "army of clerks",India will not be able to stand up.
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Nandini Upreti
60 days ago
Why correction are not possible in spite of so many Commissions appointed to study the in
education system lower and middel class are the sufferers because rich people have always short
cut to success.
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Akhil
60 days ago
Its not the education system that needs to be corrected. its the parents. syllabus are perfectly correct
and at par with worlds top universities. But the parents that before the child makes them engineers
and doctors are at fault.
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Rupesh Kumar
60 days ago
ok
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Ashish(Mumbai)
60 days ago
Corporates instead of complaining should tie-up with institutes/colleges as some have already done
and help them upgrade to their requirements. Further, organization specific systems and processes
are unique and cannot be expected to be known by a fresh hire from any campus.
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Akampan Singh
60 days ago
correct but who is guilty , student or teacher or environment ??

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Akampan Singh
60 days ago
ok
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Janardhan Rao Maddu(Hyderabad)

60 days ago
Nothing surprising. It is known for last 12-15 years ever since Engineering colleges mushroomed in
some parts of the country without quality infrastructures and Faculties.
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Logesh(Madurai)
58 days ago
also colleges must be driven and supported by industries and vice versa
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Logesh(Madurai)
58 days ago
itis ridiculous manyindustries provides jobs to labour insteadof engineers could any hosspital run by
compounder without doctor/ we need indian engineers association to monitor engineering industries
as doctors have ima.
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Sahebrao(Pune)
60 days ago
In such a case, what will be future of younger generations. Can it be read that, taking admission in
engineering colleges may be of just paying hefty donations and passing the degree is being read as
something wrong doings ? If such is the case of engineering graduates, then what is about other
general degree holders like BA,BCom, BSc ? Where will these degree holders will go ? Need to take
some remedial actions to improve scenario.
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Vasu(Coimbatore)
60 days ago
In my neighborhood there is a girl engg., student (EEE).She does not know how to fix the fuse,she
does not even know where to check for the fuse in her house.
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Vasu(Coimbatore)
60 days ago
Good for nothing politicians and duds who put thumb impression for signature run educational
institutions then how can you expect student to come out with flying colours
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Truth Sach(Udupi)
60 days ago
There is real shortage of good teaching staff, Good workshops and training centers...Just reading
books and few workshop classes will not produce Engineers.
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MADAN MOHAN
60 days ago
Right since we have two things -Reservation and business colleges where marks or caliber or talent
is not criteria it is money how much we can dole out .These will result in mediocracy and now it is
tending to poor standards
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Keshav Agarwal
60 days ago
We need to stress on language and mathematics to improve the skill sets. Language is must for
communication and future learning. Mathematics increase the logical reasoning.
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Rajiv Desai(Southampton
UK)
60 days ago
Why is everything so flawed in india? We need a radical change in thinking and approach?
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Jai Singh
60 days ago
it's alarming and unfortunate on the part of our policy makers, education regulators, and education
system!
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Kamal Kawadiya
60 days ago
I am not surprised by the news. Mushrooming of engineering colleges across the country, without
proper infrastructures and trained faculties, are the two reason for below par quality of output.
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Anil Singh(Delhi)
60 days ago
After 3 years of education in B.E/ B.Tech courses, the final year must focus on equipping the
students with the latest industry trends so that they can quick start their careers and also fillup this
wide gap.
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Shoaib(Udupi)
60 days ago
ache din LOL :) bolo feku maharaj ki jai

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Chandrasekaran Krishnamurthy
60 days ago
Why flood gates have been opened for Engineering education like corporate business unmindful of
the seriousness of the situation that will develop in the event of supply more than the demand
without ensuring quality education.
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Deepak Agrawal(Hyd)
60 days ago
There are two solutions to it ... either corporate train the students after hiring (like many big IT
companies do) or they collaborate with colleges and make sure that right curriculum is being
followed
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Guptaashok1948 Gupta(India)
60 days ago
My father, who is no more now, told me once that 'DEGREES WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE HAS NO
MEANING'. I kept this in my mind and inculcated the same teachings in my children.***I am lucky
enough now.***In my opinion, " Degree for all is a vague thought by itself". Barring basic education,
education only should be for those who are good in studies/ who are serious about studies. And
more particularly the higher education should only for those who deserves higher education. **Just
thrusting degrees on students will neither good for students nor for the society and country. We are
simply wasting the resources of the parents and country. ****The previous Govt under the Italian
lady did the worst for the young student community by letting open Colleges/ Universities/ Deemed
Universities.The intention was bad just please the youngsters to get them to the Engineering
colleges/ Management colleges and let them live in a false phobia of becoming Engineers/
Managers and in turn get votes of these youths.***Further the merit is being compromised after the
compulsory reservations. Among the reserved category as well, higher education should be provided
only for those who are talented and serious about higher education.***CORRECT ME IF I AM
WRONG?
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Arts Dts
58 days ago
Absolutely correct!
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57 days ago
Adding to what I wrote earlier, Can one make every body like 'Darasingh' -the great wrestler, the
country ever produced.**Can anybody make 'Lakshmipati' ( Blessed with Godess Lakshmi) to all;
then why thrust degrees on everybody without letting them to know what does it means even.
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S L Gera(Delhi)
60 days ago
It is a very serious situation. This study would prove a bottleneck for those such graduates looking
for greener pastures abroad.
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Ashok Kansal(Ghaziabad)
60 days ago
Modifications in the entire education sysdtem are required immediately without wasting time on
appointing committees or group of ministers etc.students once comeout of engineering colleges
should be assured of proper job .
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Ashok Kansal(Ghaziabad)
60 days ago
Parents who are spending a good part of their earning and most of the time by borrowing/loans , will
be shattered once they come to know that their ward passed out of some engineering college is not
suitable for any gainful employment.
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Anthony (Mumbai)
60 days ago
The main problem is that after 12th or HSC, students from cities as well as villages are admitted to
colleges where English mostly is the language of instruction. Many vernacular students struggle with
subjects being unfamiliar with the level of the language of instruction.
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60 days ago
Anthony, Is it the language only issue?. The Previous Govts allowing to open new -new colleges
without checking for even faculty? Ministers used to get 'Cut Money' from these institutions and
students do not learn anything but get degrees.
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Anthony (Mumbai)
60 days ago
English language is part of the issue yes. You are very right in mentioning that most of these
"institutions" do not really teach anything. There are a number of medical colleges doing the same.
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Amit Pandey
60 days ago
Not only colleges but parents also responsible.
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Dhirendra Kumar Mishra(Surat)

60 days ago
this will continue to happen in the present education system where students just cram thru books are
vomit in the exam papers. there is a pressing need to invest in educational institutes and involve
them in real time research and development. industry also needs to come forward to involve
students in their research & devlopment.
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Kk(India)
60 days ago
Effect of reservation
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Dinakar Varadarajan(Bangalore)
60 days ago
If IT companies want employable engineering graduates, they should start or takeover the
engineering colleges. Engineering colleges lack talented faculty. Talent is working in IT companies.
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Raaj(Ben)
60 days ago
had they invested 500-1000 crores for a few colleges and respected engineering they need not have
to beg for bullet train and maglev technologies from japan and china. but they invest 20 lakh crore on
defence ( post 2000 ) and now 1 lakh crore on bullet train and open engineering college within 10
crore budget at every nook at corner. this is gift to every MP they give through very well politically
and student unionwise connected trusts. that is what they lost.
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Kalyan Kumar(Asansol)
60 days ago
Why should govt waste money in areas where pvt sector is forthcoming? The initial proliferation
notwithstanding only the better ones among these engg colleges will survive. The same happens in
every sector- the initial burst and then the shake-up.
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Valid Sach
60 days ago
Technical education in most Engineering colleges, particularly private run colleges are comparatively
below standard...Only way is to close such engineering colleges than producing unemployable
Engineers.
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Arts Dts
60 days ago
The are not engineering graduates, they just hold some degree which says they are BE graduates
and have no sense of understanding the subject and enhancing their knowledge. They move on with
so much of arrears and think engineering classes are for loafing around rather than acquiring
knowledge. With this state of affairs what else can one expect?
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Gabu(Blr)
60 days ago
The country is ruined from all angles. The main problem is quality of primary education is so poor.
There are 50 -60 education boards are run in the country producing different qualities. The worst
group is probably the mushrooming business through international schools and english medium
education. Most of these have started producing suited booted students with very low in content but
peculiar accents to be the last nail in the coffin.
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Sithavethem Kanthasamy(Tirunelveli
Town)
60 days ago
Quantity in numbers have overtaken the quality of products. It shows that systemic error In our
country one system is swallowing another system. One can see that a large number of engineering
graduates have begun to apply various govt jobs and attend competitive exams of banks.This results
more infusion.intake of young blood in services sector mainly because of job security.Skill
development is which has to be properly taught during their career study.
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Deepak Mehrotra
60 days ago
What else ine can expect when newer IITs & Enginnering Colleges are being allowed to open
without creating required infrastructure & faculty.
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Narasa.Rao24 (Hyd)
60 days ago
Get them student visas to US.

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Prabhakar(New
Delhi)
60 days ago
Our educational system is based on Macaulay's education which Congress continued to ruin India.
Their 9th class student means skilled and equal to our B.Tech because since childhoold they get
exposure to skilled work and by 9th they are equal or more than our B.Tech educated person. Their
engineer is able to do work and not a supervisor. They have practical experience which we do not
have. Idiots rule finished Modi will change this educational system but our opposition parties will
object by terming it saffornisation of education. Idiots.
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Anis Khan
60 days ago
that's true, there is one "engineer" in our company who does not even know how to write engineering
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Anis Khan
60 days ago
in india engineering colleges have come up like mushrooms which only give degree without any
knowledge
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Anis Khan
60 days ago
because of education is being sold in india now..

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Kiran R Nair
60 days ago
If you are talented employers will find you, otherwise you need to find the employer.
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P P Rajagopalan(Chennai)
60 days ago
This is what privatization, making education a business, has done to education!

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Arts Dts
60 days ago
If it is governmentisation then one has to be a backward class or some caste oriented seat.
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P P Rajagopalan(Chennai)
60 days ago
@arts dts (Unknown): Unfortunately you are right! But still, by and large, the level of teaching and
performance of students are generally better in Government managed institutions as far as higher
education go. There are some excellent private educational institutions, no denying that. But reverse
is the case when we look at primary and secondary schools. There are many reasons for that. I
leave it at that! Thanks for the response!
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Arts Dts
60 days ago
Agree, the choice is between the devil and the deep sea.
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60 days ago
Businesses churning out bad products don't last. Mkt will self-adjust with the bad ones getting
weeded out.
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Common Man(BHARAT)
60 days ago
That is why social sector needs a lot of investment.

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Murugesan(Nigeria)
61 days ago
we are not clear about the basis of this study, looks like kept IT, ITES etc in mind, engg does not
only IT, ITES etc. However, unless we have clear idea about this study, we just cannot accept what
is being projected,at the same time, does not mean that we are not accepting what is being
projected, it is the degree projected is being disputed. Thanks
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Subrata Pramanick(Kolkata)
61 days ago
The reason is Private Engineering Colleges do not screen the students before the intake and most of
these Colleges' quality of education is very poor.
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Common Man(BHARAT)
60 days ago
Sir, I agree with you. but what else can be done, subsequent govts. failed to do the required level of
investment in social sector resulting in such a mess. Students need to get educated and if the govt
can't provide sufficient facilities for higher education, private sector would fill the gap. But after all
they are businessmen, they are not educators.
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Rajan Panicker(God;S
City.)
61 days ago
There are so many good subject other than engineering, engineering colleges (private ) has only the
view of business
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61 days ago
Open up higher edu to FDI Lets have foreign institutions that raise the bar for domestic ones. Those
that can't compete will perish.
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NK Gopal
61 days ago
Soon, we should have marketing engineers and yoga engineers.

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Krishnan K
61 days ago
It is a pity we just churning out unemployable graduates.Unless concrete steps are taken to make
the education job centric ,our demographic dividend will only reamin on paper.
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Bright .(Agra)
61 days ago
In last 10-15 years AICTE has multiplied Engineering (B.Tech) seats across states and every nuke &
corner, there are number of engineering college suffering of from acute shortage of quality teachers,
facilities and imparting rote learning to pass exam. Technical skills and personality building,
analytical ability total missing. HRD ministry must re-look into this serious issue.
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Sankar(Bangalore)
61 days ago
Achcha Din ane wala hein

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Venaktesh(Chennai)
61 days ago
if u don't read? wjat do govt will do .

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60 days ago
Your Congi politicos created most of the garbage colleges moron.

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Vamsi(Hyderabad)
59 days ago
Most of the top institutions IITs, IISc, NITs, AIIMS were created during the Congress regime ! Let us
not forget history. Standards were diluted later to enable a bubble in the engineering college system.
While country should have opened more ITIs / Diploma colleges, it went to open engineering
colleges without clarity on what engineers role in society is !
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Kiran(Bengaluru)
59 days ago
Achche ... Lekin Kab ?

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Karthikeyan
61 days ago
Why there are so many engineering colleges compared to medical or judiciary colleges?
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Vinaya Babu(Kerala)
61 days ago
Not at all surprised to read this findings,considering the quality of, Engg colleges,the management
and the way the selections are done, the way examinations are conducted and the way it has turned
into an industry, in this country by which making money is the only criterion, and above all politicians
interfear in every aspect of it.Gradually the quality of medical professional is also going to follow this
trend here. Will some one come forward and do something about it.
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Siju Rajan(Pune)
61 days ago
Due to rapid opening of colleges by the Ministers in every government for earning money through
donations had affected the quality of education offered, even the Universities have not moved with
time regarding the curriculum offered and does not consider the inputs of the industries who can be
of great help in tailoring the curriculum and make it of the required standard
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Dinesh Bhargava
61 days ago
engg.education shoulg be made more meaningfull so that a graduate need not go for job,rather he
should creat job.
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Akansha Srivastava
61 days ago
Its pathetic to hear such news ! even the educated ones are becoming the monsters! How can
someone play with the dignity of a girl which leaves a scar on her soulfor the rest of her life!
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Nam Singh
61 days ago
Nothing new in the findings. When every Tom-Dick-and-Harry wants to become an Engineer and
there are crooks to take advantage of them by opening frivolous colleges without Infrastructure and
faculty, this is exactly what one is going to get as an outcome. Such a waste of critical Human
resources and time!!
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Guess Who(Bengaluru)
61 days ago
if the govt allows proliferation of colleges without checking on the quality of these institutions, this is
bound to happen. Also, we also need to check on the so called complaint of the industry. If call
centre and software coding skill is what they are looking at all engineers, then this gap would occur
anyhow.
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Akansha Srivastava
61 days ago
Its very true! The way the engineering colleges are increasing its like just having an engineering
degree with you and no future! No proper teachers and no guarantee of what would happen in the
future its like playing with the youth future.
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Raaj(Ben)
61 days ago
there you go . can someone punish all those engineering colleges held by politicians led by IT gurus
, accredited by central agency leading to slavery by america through outsourcing. bengal famine and
wars had not depreciated currency as much as these arbitrageurs depreciated it. engineering
education today is based on lab and internal marks. torrent, porn watching and watsapp are
minimum norms. durgs and women added flavour for punjab ,bombay and goa. its easiest to get
them in whichever way terror groups want. wait for the worst. IT slave-mediators and radia gang also
called philanthropists will die in few years. then wait for the worst with this good for nothing drugged
population and economy. easily one godfather from britain and america will pitch in and the same
century will repeat with sophisticated anglicised brahmin bania pimps.
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60 days ago
While you have a point, can't be little more optimistic.

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Kalpesh Dhebar
61 days ago
first, most of companies wants additional qualification.second, most of companies offers very less
and at remote locations.Third, Newly graduate engineer him self is not clear for to opt for service or
to make business.
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HAT HUM AAP Aur TUM(Delhi
/ NCR)
61 days ago
Quite true...See around and one would see that beyond the students of premier institutions, in
general students do not show any inclination for education and learning. Are quiet OK to idle thru'
the college while simply wasting the college years..Common experience, even engineering
graduates have no skill and inclination to learn..
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Anis Ahmad Khan

61 days ago
education is being sold in india now

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Anis Ahmad Khan

61 days ago
because of private colleges just selling degree without giving proper knowledge or training
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Anis Ahmad Khan

61 days ago
that's because of the so many colleges opening up like mushrooms in india now which just give you
degree with no knowledge
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Kanhaiya Gupta
61 days ago
Our Engg colleges, Management colleges and even Medical and Dental colleges have mushroomed
in every nook and corner of cities. They are being run as business factories without proper staff ,labs
or infra. All are making money including the Govts, MCI, DCI or the AICTE. They get huge bribe for
approvals.Students are being charged huge capitation fees. What do you expect then? Engineers
and MBA, MCAs are applying for peons and sweepers jobs in UP.
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Purushottam Nayak(Hyderabad,
Andhra Pradesh)
59 days ago
ompletely agree.. This stupid Rahul gandi and kejriwal making young generation suffer
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TCRBabu (TCR)
61 days ago
Yes, it is true Guptaji, the legacy of decades of mis-governance and vote bank politics. Not only
technical education, it is sad to say that even post graduates did not know much on the subject they
study. Education has become a money making business in the country, corruption spread like a
cancer in all spheres of governance. Mis-governance in the last 5 decades plus preference for
loyalty on honesty paved way for this state of affairs. Modi govt is trying to bring some
professionalism in several fields, but he will not be allowed to perform by the corrupt anti national
politicians, media and vote bank supporting the corrupt.
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Ravishankar Bhujanga
61 days ago
Who would buy this arguments when the reality shows the other story of India is being one of the
Global Hub for Information Technology. Do not try to show our education system in poor light.
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Nithin
60 days ago
Sorry to say this, but an engineer with experience accepts a technicians job in Gulf whose boss is
two year diploma westerner who I have seen has more confidence. And then the pathetic
communication skill add to the woe. unfortunately I have sat in meetings that have discussed the
safety concerns of hiring Indians engineers among other issues. And you are talking about students
from premier colleges and not the degree factories.
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Nithin
60 days ago
And majority in global hub are cyber coolies.

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55 days ago
Our education system is in poor limelight certainly after the Engineering colleges came up like
mushroom.
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Bipradip Bandyopadhyay
61 days ago
It was expected
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Rakesh Mittal(Noida)
61 days ago
It has become too easy to get an engg degree today. We need to divert these unemployable
engineers to vocational trg so that they can start their careers as technicians.
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Akash Jatwala
61 days ago
This type of report shows the quality if education of our country which is a harsh reality
Unemployable Indian Graduates

Viewed as Rare Talents by
Singapore Government and
Employers?
Posted on Sep 29 2014 - 10:22am by Redwire Singapore
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During my reading, I happened to come across this India Skills Report 2014 published by Wheebox
and Peoplestrong in partnership with the Confederation of Indian Industry, which according to the
report is Indias premier business association with a direct membership of over 7,500 organisations
from the private as well as public sectors, including SMEs and MNCs, and an indirect membership of
over 83,000 companies from around 380 national and regional sectoral associations.
Here are some key points:
Page 41: Only one-third of educated Indians is employable! Out of about 100,000 candidates who
appeared for Wheebox Employability Skill Test (WEST) across domains only 33.95% were found
employable. This means about 2/3 rd of our skill pool is not fit to have a job.
Page 47: Employability decreases with age! Maximum numbers of employable resources are
present in the age group of 18-21 years. Out of total number of candidates in the age group of 18-21
years who appeared for the test about 39% scored more than 60% and hence were part of the
employable pool. They were closely followed by the age group 22-25 years, where out of the total
pool of candidates (in this age group) who appeared for the TEST 29.11 % crossed benchmark score
of 60%.Finally for the age group 26-29 Years, the scores secured by candidates in WEST suggest
that only 20.38% of the people in age group 26-29 years are employable. Authors note: The age of
most Indian FTs around you is at least 30. So this tells you what quality you can expect in them.
Page 67: Indian education system is archaic: The Indian Education system is perhaps the most
criticized system in this world. Not only is the curriculum termed Archaic, the method of teaching
have been deemed as ineffective. Even the Prime Minister has raised concern over this matter We
must recognize that too many of our higher educational institutions are simply not up to the mark.
Too many of them have simply not kept abreast with the rapid changes that have taken place in the
world around us in recent years, still producing graduates in subjects that the job market no longer
requires. It is a sobering thought for us that not one Indian university figures in the top 200
universities of the world today. he said.
Here are some more data from the references cited in the report:
1. The National Employability Report on Engineering Graduates, released by Aspiring Minds, an
employability solutions company, last week shows that out of the five lakh (5 lakh = 500,000)
engineers who graduate from various engineering colleges across the country every year, only 17 per
cent are fit for the IT services sector. The report was based on a sample of more than 55,000
engineering students from 250 colleges chosen from the length and breadth of the country. I have
come across engineering candidates who cannot even type! said Kapil Bhatia, Head, HR
Department, Vinsol at the conclave. The least
that you expect of a software engineer is that he is comfortable with machines, he remarked. Most
of the candidates Bhatia interviews on a regular basis are said to be clueless about programming.
When we ask candidates to write programmes, they say they have learned it in their first semester
and have forgotten all about it! These skills require continuous practice which institutes are not
providing, he said.
Engineers have to interact with customers. I have come across candidates who cannot draft a
straight mail in English that needs to be sent to their customers, said Puneet Kumar Pandey, Senior
Director, Talent Management Group, HCL Technologies. [Source: Link]
2. According to a recent report by Aspiring Minds, which is an employee assessment service
provider, only 17.45 per cent of technical graduates in the country are readily employable. It means
that the rest, that is, 82.55 per cent, engineering graduates in India are unemployable. Rajeev Kabra,
director and CEO, Cognitel, who deals with consulting in the engineering sector. Kabra shared his
concern about the old syllabus that the engineering colleges in the country follow. He said, I am an
engineer myself. I see that the syllabus followed in the engineering colleges today is not much
different from what I have learnt about two decades back. This is where the engineering students in
India lag behind. They are educated but not employable. [Source: Link]
3. I studied economics, accounting, trade, corporate tax planning and industrial law for three years.
But I was still clueless when I graduated, said Dubey, 22. All my education was bookish and
theoretical. said Dubey. Dubeys deflating discovery mirrors the experience of most of the 3.2
million Indians who receive undergraduate degrees each year. The Confederation of Indian Industry
says that (only) 25 percent of technical graduates and 15 percent of other graduates can be readily
employed in the jobs that the recent boom has generated in the telecommunications, banking, retail,
health care and information technology sectors. The stark reality is that our education system churns
out people, but industry does not find them useful, said T.K.A. Nair, principal secretary to the prime
minister, addressing a recent conference here in the capital on linking education to employability.
The necessary development of
skills is missing in our education. [Source: Link]
Here is one from The Wall Street Journal on the same topic:
India projects an image of a nation churning out hundreds of thousands of students every year who
are well educated, a looming threat to the better-paid middle-class workers of the West. Their
abilities in math have been cited by President Barack Obama as a reason why the U.S. is facing
competitive challenges.
Yet 24/7 customers experience tells a very different story. Its increasing difficulty finding competent
employees in India has forced the company to expand its search to the Philippines and Nicaragua.
Most of its 8,000 employees are now based outside of India.
Both companies (Tata and Wipro) sent teams of employees to Indias approximately 3,000
engineering colleges to assess the quality of each before they decided where to focus their campus
recruiting efforts. Tata says 300 of the schools made the cut; for Wipro, only 100 did. [Link]
Conclusion: Two-thirds of Indian graduates are found unemployable in their own country but our
Singapore government views them as rare talents. Note also that the above data is only of graduates.
If you include the number of Indians coming in without any degree (or with fake degrees), the
number of Indians fit to be hired should be much lower than the 20%-30% shown in most surveys
above. It is high time our government took this issue seriously and provides jobs to educated and
deserving Singaporeans rather than fake and incompetent foreigners.
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Incompetent faculty rendering engineering

graduates unemployable
By Express News Service - VISAKHAPATNAM
Published: 23rd September 2013 11:30 AM
Last Updated: 23rd September 2013 11:31 AM
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The dwindling interest in engineering courses in Andhra Pradesh is being attributed to the unemployability of
about 65 per cent of engineering graduates from Andhra Pradesh every year. Soon after completing their
engineering, most engineers are forced to do meager jobs in small and mid-level IT companies or look for
alternatives ranging from banking sector to civil services.
What is the point in studying for four years when it cannot fetch you a decent job? Instead, students can easily
complete their MBA or a simple degree that gives them more options and exposure to various non-engineering
jobs, points out M Siva Krishna, who completed his engineering from a college in Visakhapatnam two years ago
but could not secure a proper job. He is now preparing for civil services and APPSC competitive examinations.
Both industry experts and academicians admit that quality is a big issue when it comes to engineering education. A
majority of 643 engineering colleges in the state do not have basic infrastructure and facilities like faculty,
equipment, laboratories, grounds and other facilities to produce quality engineers. During a study conducted by
the expert committee appointed by the State government last year, it was observed that fewer than 300 of 643
colleges in the state qualified as having all basic facilities. Hence, the lack of interest among students to pursue an
engineering degree, pointed out experts.
It is not that there are no technical jobs. There is a growing demand but a majority of young engineers in Andhra
Pradesh are not employable due to lack of theoretical and technical knowledge apart from analytical ability,
communication and social skills. In the current global market, one requires all these abilities to compete and
companies are looking for such employees, explained PK Sahiti, an HR consultant from Hyderabad. She pointed
out that not many companies are ready to pay salaries and train these young graduates which would incur severe
losses to the companies. Above all, there is no guarantee that the employee would stick to the organisation for a
certain period after getting trained.
Academicians and officials of Andhra Pradesh Council for Higher Education too agree that in a bid to expand
technical education, the quality check on educational institutions was missed. They feel that more than lack of
facilities, the lack of technically qualified faculty is having a severe impact on engineering education. It was found
that most engineering colleges recruit ill-qualified and sub-standard faculty to avoid paying higher salaries as per
the AICTE pay scales. Confirming this, only 30 per cent of faculty members of engineering colleges who appeared
for the Faculty Eligibility Test (FET) this year, managed to score the passing marks. The FET qualification is
mandatory during appointment as faculty in engineering colleges, where only 400 out of 1,500 candidates passed
the exam. This despite the fact that the qualifying marks were just 40 per cent for Other Castes (OCs)and 30 per
cent for reserved category candidates.
Experts explain that without addressing the problems of qualified faculty members and maintaining basic facilities
in engineering colleges, it would be difficult to bring the lost glory to engineering education.
Striving for quality in Indias engineers

As IT firms face single-digit growth and customers demand more for less, efforts are on to get readilyemployable talent
Pankaj Mishra
First Published: Fri, Jun 28 2013. 07 52 AM IST
In 2010, Swami Manohar (right) and V. Vinay started Jed-I to work closely with engineering students
across colleges by offering them weekly learning programmes about real engineering. Photo: Hemant
Mishra/Mint
Updated: Fri, Jun 28 2013. 06 57 PM IST
Bangalore: The Christ University auditorium was nearly full, with some 150 students and several dozen
anxious parents accompanying their sons and daughters on the first day of the four-year engineering
course offered by the Bangalore-based institution.
Swami Manohar, 52, a former Indian Institute of Science (IISc) professor and founder ofPicoPeta Simputers
Pvt. Ltd that built what was arguably Indias first tablet computer, walked up to the stage and greeted
the audience.
Good morning! After all your hard work over the next four years, efforts put in by parents, when you
graduate everybody will call you unemployable and it will really hurt, he said.
Until two years ago, when the Indian information technology (IT) industry was still expanding revenue at
a double-digit pace by deploying fresh engineering graduates on projects within months of hiring, not
many bothered about employability, at least not this intensely.
Now, when software firms are faced with low, single-digit growth and their customers are demanding
more for less, there is a push to get talent that is readily employable (read: billable). Companies such as
Indias second biggest software services firm Infosys Ltd are seeking to earn one-third of their revenue
from high-end consulting, software products and platforms in the next few years.
The nearly three-million-strong IT workforce and a generation of engineers set to graduate this year and
the next are trapped in this transition. While engineering colleges are complaining about lack of
investment and involvement from the industry, IT companies are blaming academic institutions for this
unemployable pool.
Manohars straight talk shocked some parents and many students in the audience earlier this month,
but he did not stop with just explaining the problem.
You need to have an intuitive sense of whats around you; you need a different engineering vision
beyond focusing blindly on one stream of engineering after you graduate in four years, he said.
Some students who attended the programme liked Manohars plain speak.
You dont expect to hear something like this on Day One, but its better to realize it upfront than get a
rude shock midway into the course, said R. Suresh, a 23-year-old from Shimoga who was accompanied
by his father, a businessman.
The problem, Manohar explained, is that despite producing more engineers than the US and China
combined, nearly 80% of the one million Indian engineers graduating every year are not real engineers.
The engineers currently employed in the IT sector are writing lines of software code, getting different IT
systems to work together, and offering back-office support services to customers in the US and Europe.
Seeking real engineers
Its really frustrating to see those with engineering degrees working in shifts doing these jobs that have
nothing to do with real engineering, said Manohar.
Engineering colleges experienced a boom in the years in which demand for workers from Indias $108
billion IT industry seemed insatiable. Graduates from across streamsmechanical, computer science
and even civil engineeringwere eager to work at Infosys,Tata Consultancy Services Ltd (TCS) and other IT
companies. Many were hired before they had acquired the requisite engineering skills.
The IT industry does not employ real engineers, they are just programmers, said E. Balagurusamy, a
former vice-chancellor of Anna University, Chennai. I am happy that with IT slowing down, it will free
mechanical, civil and other engineers to imagine and build things that add value to the nation.
As companies try to earn more business from software products, platforms and high-end consulting
projects, they need a different kind of talent. They need engineers who can build those products.
Their top outsourcing customers such as General Electric Co. are increasingly looking for software
solutions that are not stand-alone and are instead part of their core products and solutions. To get
business from such high-end customers, companies such as Infosys and TCS need engineers who can go
beyond just writing software code and systems maintenance.
In 2010, Manohar, along with former IISc colleague and computer scientist V. Vinay, started Jed-I (Joy of
Engineering, Design and Innovation) to work closely with engineering students across colleges by
offering them weekly learning programmes about real engineering. The programme is one of the
initiatives launched by LimberLink Technologies Pvt. Ltd, a start-up focused on offering short-term
refresher courses to engineering students.
In many ways, the current challenges of the IT industry are forcing people out of their comfort zones,
Vinay said.
With the Indian IT industry now shifting gears to cope with slower demand for services and newer
technology models, there is a growing realization that core engineering skills are crucial for companies
to differentiate themselves and survive, which fits in with what Jed-I is trying to do.
Indias biggest software firms have been forced to make their business models leaner and are seeking
engineers who are more creative than the current crop of employees.
Engineering is about imagining solutions for real-world problems, building things to solve them, said
Manohar.
Going beyond the textbook
To give them a taste of what real engineering is all about, Manohar asked the students in the Christ
University auditorium to estimate the size of the hall without using any tools.
Some of the students walked around the auditorium, measuring each footstep to estimate the total size
of the auditorium, others chose to make wild guesses.
The idea is to get them out of textbook thinking, Manohar said.
In another such experiment with a group of students at PES Institute of Technology earlier this year,
Manohar threw a challenge that has now become the most famous project in the campus.
The experiment, called the egg drop project, involves designing a system that can protect an egg from
shattering if thrown from a height. Students at the institute applied different techniques, including
building cushion covers for the egg and a metal container.
He brings a very refreshing approach to demonstrating what engineering is really about, said K.N.
Balasubramanya Murthy, director and principal of PES Institute of Technology.
To further challenge their thinking, Manohar even asked some students to design their eggshells or
containers in a way that they break if dropped from second floor of a building, but stay intact if dropped
from the first floor.
I wanted to give them different scenarios to engineer their solutions, he said.
Irrespective of their specialization, the engineering students had to think through mathematical
formulas to calculate the force of impact, the capability of different materials to absorb the shock, and
identify the most stable geometric structure.
The blame game between industry and academia about who is responsible for employability of these
students is fruitless. What we need is increased participation from industry and projects like Jed-I, said
Murthy.
As an engineer, a former academic and an entrepreneur, Manohar has been watching Indian engineers
getting lured away by IT firms much before they could even complete their final-semester projects. The
factory model of procuring raw engineering talent ahead of demand has spoilt generations of engineers,
he said.
The past few years have blunted two-three generations of engineers, so we needed to intervene and
apply all we had learnt, said Manohars colleague Vinay. Its become a finishing-school business for
many that guaranteed employment, but produced technicians, not engineers, said Vinay, who was
actively involved in a Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) project to develop a search engine
called Manjara during the 1990s.
Catching them young
Over the years, Indias growing IT industry built its so-called pyramid model that relied on hiring
thousands of fresh engineering graduates every year who were put through rigorous training for threesix months to ensure that they could be billed on projects at the earliest. Engineering students, on their
part, aimed to get job offers at least two semesters before graduation.
In past two years, Jed-I has taught some 800 students, most of them during the latter part of their
engineering degrees.
We were realizing that getting these students exposed to real engineering was too late if done during
late semesterswe wanted to catch them young, said Manohar.
So in early June this year, Manohar convinced the management of Christ University to allow the latest
batch of engineering students to become part of the programme.
Students attending the Jed-I programme seem to show a marked improvement.

In the crowd, I can easily identify students attending the Jed-I programme; they look more confident,
and have a refreshing, non-textbook approach to problem solving, said Murthy of PES Institute.
When Manohar and Vinay graduated in engineering during the mid-1980s, they were evaluated on the
basis of their final-year projects. After eight semesters of engineering studies, students worked hard
across teams from mechanical, electrical and computer science to come up with final-year projects they
could be proud of.
The final-year project was our visiting card to explore any opportunity in the world, Manohar said.
Now, with eye on an assured IT job much before graduation, students have not been able to muster
enough passion for their final-year projects.
Building things
Final-year projects forced students to combine various engineering streams to come up with an idea
that stood out. And thats what Manohar and his team did by building a numerical controlled drill for
punching holes on a printed circuit board (PCB), said Ing R. Samuel, who was principal of the
Government College of Technology in Coimbatore in 1981-82 when Manohars batch graduated from
the college.
For instance, Manohar and his team of engineering students from various streams worked for eight
months starting in August 1981 to build a complete drilling machine for PCBs.
Except the engine, we did everythingwe poured hot metallic liquid in the mould to create a structure
that solidified, installed gears. Our principal said, whats engineering if youre not building things,
recalled Manohar.
Over three decades later, Manohar and Vinay started the Jed-I Product Challenge (JPC) that called on
engineering students to demonstrate their project ideas.
If we can get this final year project syndrome right, things will improve, Manohar said.
Jed-I is a commendable effort at helping Indian engineering steer through the current transition,
said Shekhar Sanyal, country head of the Institution of Engineering and Technology (IET), a UK-based
society that has around 150,000 engineers as members across the world.
We are trying to create a national platform for over 100 final-year project challenge competitions in
India . It will also bring potential investors and companies to evaluate the ideas and hopefully create
more entrepreneurs, Sanyal said.
Another problem cited by experts with current engineering education is that students get to choose
their specialization right after the first year of the course, limiting their ability to develop a multidisciplinary approach.
The first two years of our engineering course involved learning everything from machine drawing to
electrical workshops and carpentry, no matter which stream we came from. Now, there are only two
semesters of common engineering, said Manohar.
Constructive destruction
As low-end, commoditized IT roles come under threat from automation, there are enough employment
opportunities for high-end technology jobs. According to Chetan Dube, the founder of IPsoft Inc., a firm
that uses humanoids and intelligence software robots to deliver IT projects, thats a good thing.
Is automation going to make us lose jobs? Is it destructive in the impact it will have on society? At best,
the answer says it is overwhelmingly constructive, in freeing mankind from shackles of drudgery and
allowing them to work in domains which are more rewarding, both fiscally and spiritually, than
mundane chores. At worst, the answer is that automation will galvanize a process of constructive
destruction, Dube said.
If we read the writing on the wall and do this proactively, the world would not come to India just for
cheaper labour, but would run to India for better automation excellence, he said.
According to research firm Gartner Inc., the job opportunities in automation are going to be twice as
many as in traditional IT outsourcing. That $77 billion sector is being cannibalized by a fast-rising AaaS
(automation as a service) business, which is going to be worth $140 billion by 2015.
Indian graduates with their ace analytical brains, if directed from mundane back-end chores to
advanced automation practices, can flourish twice as well in this new world, Dube said.
The biggest challenge faced by Jed-I and similar programmes is that they reach only a few thousand
students at best. The problem of unemployable engineers involves re-skilling and re-invigorating
hundreds of thousands.
For us to be really impactful we need to reach much bigger scale. Maybe if IT companies can ask the
campuses they recruit from make their students undergo programmes like this, things could improve,
said Manohar.
Times of India: 80% of Indian Engineers Unemployable

Madman
9:04a, 1/24/16
AG
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech/tech-news/Over-80-of-engineering-graduates-in-India-unemployableStudy/articleshow/50704157.cms?from=mdr
Quote:there
seems to be a significant skill gap in the country as 80% of the engineering graduates are
"unemployable," says a report, highlighting the need for an upgraded education and training system.
Educational institutions train millions of youngsters but corporates often complain that they do not get the
necessary skill and talent required for a job.
According to Aspiring Minds National Employability Report, which is based on a study of more than 1,50,000
engineering students who graduated in 2015 from over 650 colleges, 80% of the them are unemployable.
My office's best engineer is from India but my own experience with Engineering grads from other countries
seems to be similar to the report's findings. Working with the Chinese would seem to be even worse. An
anecdotal story for sure but I had a Chinese engineer bring me some of my own companies drawings with our
logo blacked out and their logo added to the title block. They wanted us buy "their" product. They included
some life calculations that were all wrong to add further insult.
Makes me wonder why we are fast tracking green cards for foreign workers.
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amercer
9:28a, 1/24/16
AG
As a scientist I work with a ton of Chinese and Indian folks, and they are all highly educated and very well
trained. BUT they all come from one of the top two or three schools in thier country and they all did post-doc
work in either the US or Europe. Once you drop below the top couple schools in China (and especially in
India) I think the education becomes poor very quickly.
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Duncan Idaho
9:38a, 1/24/16
All I know is that it took 8 (eight) Indians to replace me when my job got offshored.
I tried training them but damn they was dumb. I don't mean poorly trained, I mean they lacked all critical
thinking skills and the ability to see extrapolate meaning and direction from an incomplete set of instructions
or data.
Now I work/worked with several h1bs, and had several Indians or Americans of Indian decent in my MBA
program and they were on the whole sharp as **** and great guys they i wouldn't hesitate to call for help or to
hire
I think American companies got it in their head that the entire population of Indian is as smart and as driven as
the ones that were able to make it through the maze that is legal immigration. Basically it is complete racism.
Not the ugly racism we are used to but racism still the same
That simply isn't the case. India is like every country in the world, there are a lot of smart people but there are
even more idiots.
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Diyala Nick
9:42a, 1/24/16
AG
The comments section under the article is really interesting. It looks like a University of Phoenix for-profit
post secondary education model proliferated with the end state being hordes of crappy engineers.
Antendotaly, my experince with Indians in IT has been for the most part excellent. I believe most of those went
to grad school in the US, and I would imagine the selectivity of US graduate programs does at least a decent
job of sorting out qualified candidates.
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9:46a, 1/24/16
AG
I worked with several Indian EE's who were trained in the US on NEXRAD Doppler Weather Radar upgrade
projects. They were highly competent and were well respected by their peers. I was lead govt acceptance tester
for the several projects we worked on and enjoyed working with them.
I also worked with a few US trained engineers from Muslim countries on those projects. They were competent,
but most had an attitude problem and were defensive when I (or their engineer peers) found problems with
their work. (I never had that problem with the Indian engineers I worked with.) Just my experience.
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pfo
11:12a, 1/24/16
AG
I have a an Indian as a son in law. He has a BS and Masters in mechanical engineering from Stonybrook.
Although I haven't worked with him professionally I know he is respectful, polite and with the right amount of
ambition. He has no trouble getting a job either. After seeing his home country I imagine he would do almost
anything to not have to return there. India is an unbelievably filthy place. Mountains of trash and sewage are
everywhere. His appreciation for America and all we have makes me think we should send our entitled,
disgruntled Americans to live in India for a year!
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Wildcat
In reply to amercer 11:20a, 1/24/16
AG
Quote:As
a scientist I work with a ton of Chinese and Indian folks, and they are all highly educated and very
well trained. BUT they all come from one of the top two or three schools in thier country and they all did postdoc work in either the US or Europe. Once you drop below the top couple schools in China (and especially in
India) I think the education becomes poor very quickly.
It's been hit or miss in my experience. Some are outstanding, but many are on the Coming to America Plan and
aren't worth the visa trouble.
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WaltonLoads08
2:01p, 1/24/16
AG
Some countries call anyone that can do long division an "engineer", and anyone that can put on a band-aid is a
"doctor".
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DallasAg 94
2:25p, 1/24/16
I work with MANY Indians and it is really hit and miss.
20% of 1Billion is still a ton of people.
I've worked with some incredibly talented people.
I've worked with some that make you want to beat your head against the wall tirelessly.
Regarding China... been there and again... worked with some pretty sharp people.
It was mentioned, many lack the creativity and ingenuity necessary in an innovative focused country like
America.
I had a guy who managed a team in China and he laughed about how exact you have to buy.
He said... "If you tell them to build a house, they will build you a house. If you don't tell them you want doors
and windows... your house won't have them. But they will have built you a house."
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moses1084ever
7:46p, 1/24/16
Ive lived in Asia for nearly 7 years now and have worked with nearly every sub-group there is.... Singaporeans,
Indians, Chinese, Thais, Filipinos, Vietnamese, etc.
Some casual observations:
1. There's many Indians that have a chip on their shoulder or have a certain arrogance about how good India is.
They seem themselves as superior. While ambitious and "educated", they resent being the laborers.
2. Given the success of their country over the past 50 years, which I mainly attribute to having a benevolent
dictator, Singaporeans think they are the ****. They know better about everything in the region. In reality,
when your neighbors are Indonesia and Malaysia, it's not hard to look incredibly smart when you're surrounded
by sheer incompetence.
3. Chinese lack creativity / are not innovators. They steal and/or copy, and build widgets for cheap. That's it.
4. The word "YES" can have many meanings.
5. Everything is interpreted literally.
The whole concept of saving face makes my blood boil in certain situations, particularly in an
construction/engineering/commissioning environment.
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MouthBQ98
8:53p, 1/24/16
AG
One of the funniest things I ever saw in Singapore was an Indian technician and a Chinese warehouse
supervisor just about get into a throwdown brawl in the middle of prepping some used BOP parts for shipping.
I forget the details of the disagreement, but the old racial biases were OUT, and another little tiny chinese guy
from a third party had to step between them and help us break them up.
Singlish sounds pretty funny used in a heated argument with random chinese and indian slang thrown in.
Yeah, I can't tell you the number of times we got good work done once we had an American in there to
actually direct what was going on, make decisions, and solve problems as they came up. Otherwise, they
would simply hit a roadblock, and STOP and make a call, and wait for someone to tell them what to do. If
someone from my team wasn't there, they would simply stop, and wait until we asked them what was going on.
They are HUGE on seniority, and AGE matters at least as much as experience in lots of asian cultures. They
defer to elders. And you go by the book.
Yeah, they work furiously, but innovation isn't their cultural strong point. A lot of pointless work or rework
ends up happening. And yeah, native Singaporeans, with some exceptions, are in NO hurry to get anything
done. They've got a pretty cushy set up there with easy to get and keep employment and huge public
assistance, and they have loads of expats to help them run things, and loads of cheap labor to actually get it
done.
FWIW, it is pretty funny watching an old grizzled Australian work with a staff of Chinese and Malaysian
singaporeans.
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HollywoodBQ
9:30p, 1/24/16
AG
Good points made by Mouth, Moses, et. al.
As a kid who grew up in Saudi Arabia, this is a topic that I have over 30 years experience with. I'll try to keep
it short because I could go on forever.
Arrogant Indians - absolutely. One of the oddities about Indians as opposed to other immigrant groups to the
USA is that most Indians plan to go back to India. In fact, even the Indians I work with in Singapore plan to
retire to India where they can live like kings on the wages they saved while working overseas.
Most of what we see as Americans/Australians/Britons, etc. are the very top of a 1+ Billion person pyramid.
So yes, there are lots of well educated and capable Indians. They are excellent at problem solving once the
problem has been presented to them. What they are terrible at is problem identification and working across
workgroups/teams/companies to solve a complex problem. They can only work in their container.
The other thing I've observed working across Asia for the past 5+ years is that Indians won't help each other. I
asked about this when I was in Bangalore and my contact there said that it is a national problem because
people in India don't view themselves as Indian, they view themselves as a member of their family, city,
maybe state. They don't cross these cultural lines to help others. As an American, that concept was just
fascinating to me. Sure, I think folks from Louisiana are idiots but, I still need Interstate 10 to work properly so
I can drive to Florida.
My American company has off-shored a ton of jobs over the past 10 years. Most of the offshoring has gone
horribly wrong but they keep doing it anyway. These geniuses seem to think that if we try to move a business
unit from the US to India and it doesn't work out, then we'll try to move it to China instead. Meanwhile,
product development delays increase, customer satisfaction decreases and the cost savings never really
materialize. We employ something like 7,000-10,000 warm bodies at our campus in Bangalore yet they don't
seem to produce much that is actually useful. Don't get me wrong, they develop a ton of features and write tons
of code. It just doesn't seem to be useful because they're solving problems that aren't real customer problems
while ignoring the things that really are problems.
Since I live in a city that is a destination for Executives, every once in a while, we get to hear some candid
remarks from these Executives. A few years ago, one of these guys was talking about offshoring jobs. At that
time (probably 2010), he said, he could hire 1 Engineer in Bangalore for $40K, 1 Engineer in Shanghai for
$70K and 1 Engineer in the US for $150K. He said that although he could hire 2 Chinese or 4 Indians for what
it cost to hire the lone American, the American would still produce more than the Chinese or Indians
combined.
I haven't been to China or India for about 2 years but, a couple other things I picked up on there during the past
5 years or so is that those folks want to work for a big American company because they believe it will help
them find a job overseas in the USA or Australia. And they're right. In the meantime, one of the reasons that
the offshoring hasn't gone to plan is the amount of turnover. In India, where we're hiring college grads for
$10,000/year, they'll jump ship for an increase of 25 cents/hour. In China, it doesn't take much more than that
to get folks to jump ship. And in China, the prices for top talent are increasing because there are so few
Engineers who are skilled in English. The ones who have some competence and speak passable English are the
ones who are in demand. And there's a massive shortage of them.
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IBombedTheMoon
In reply to Madman 9:44p, 1/24/16
AG
Quote:Makes
me wonder why we are fast tracking green cards for foreign workers.
Because the majority vote democrat.

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blackgoldag11
10:10p, 1/24/16
AG
Have y'all met a Nigerian engineer? Not saying they are all like this but we had a few at my previous job with
masters degrees in PETE and it was unbelievable what they didn't know. The worst one was the the guy who
didn't understand that in deepwater drilling the BOP is subsea, and after drawing a simple diagram, he still
didn't understand how it was possible? Was truly amazing what these guys didn't know when it came to
common sense, o and they were all extremely lazy and wanted us to do their projects for them
RPM
10:16p, 1/24/16
AG
Decision makers look at the sheer number of Indians and the low hourly rate. That's it.
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Federale01
In reply to IBombedTheMoon 10:24p, 1/24/16
AG
Quote:
Quote:Makes
me wonder why we are fast tracking green cards for foreign workers.
Because the majority vote democrat.

People with green cards don't vote. Its because they are cheaper than American engineers.
CanyonAg77
In reply to moses1084ever 10:39p, 1/24/16
AG
Quote:3.
Chinese lack creativity / are not innovators. They steal and/or copy, and build widgets for cheap. That's
it.
4. The word "YES" can have many meanings.
5. Everything is interpreted literally.
The whole concept of saving face makes my blood boil in certain situations, particularly in an
construction/engineering/commissioning environment.
No personal experience, just have read a lot, especially about airplane crashes involving Asians.
Regarding #3, it's what we always heard about the Japanese in the past. Interesting that it's going over to
China, now.
#4 and the footnote: Read up on Asiana Airlines Flight 214. The pilot simply flew the plane too damn low and
slow, and the copilots would not correct him, because he was vastly senior to them. Would rather crash than
dare to challenge authority.
There's also a whole subtext of being book smart and aviation ignorant. Simply put, many airline pilots from
that part of the world can quote you chapter and verse of the entire manual. But they are not pilots (aviators)
they are merely technicians. I remember reading one instructor saying that a sure way to get a Korean pilot to
crash the simulator was to set him up straight and level, with a perfect airplane, on a bright sunny day. Then
turn off the autopilot and have him land the plane by hand. Panic city.
And my kid the instructor liked the Japanese pilots who trained with them. But she said you really had to
watch and be persistent on difficult points. They would not admit they didn't understand something, because it
would imply that their superior (Instructor) had done wrong. Typical conversations supposedly went:
Instructor: "Do you understand?"

Japanese Student: "Yes."
Instructor: "Do you really understand?"
Japanese Student: "Yes."
Instructor: "Are you SURE you understand?"
Japanese Student: (Hesitates. Drops head) "No."
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CrazyDayDuck
In reply to RPM 9:59a, 1/26/16
Quote:Decision
This.
makers look at the sheer number of Indians and the low hourly rate. That's it.
On top of that, my Indian friend says that Indians are known to lie about their credentials.
My wife says HCL (an Indian version of EDS) just lost their IT contract with Southwest Airlines.
The labor is cheap. However, apparently it is of an inferior quality.
I've worked with a few Indians. The ones I have worked with have not been overly impressive.
Curious case of Indias unemployable engineers
Complaints that the overwhelming majority of science and engineering

graduates churned out by Indias 352 universities and 18,000 colleges are
nowhere near industry ready are rising to a crescendo as theres growing
awareness that the technical education being dispensed by them is way below
par. Hemalatha Raghupathi reports from Chennai
Its a quietly building crisis which could torpedo the countrys
spectacular 9 percent per year rate of economic growth and put paid to
Indias industrial superpower aspirations. Even as ill-informed reports in
the western media herald that India possesses the worlds second largest
pool of technical and scientific manpower, India Inc, confronted with an
unprecedented shortage of skilled professionals and technicians, is
unimpressed. Complaints that the overwhelming majority of the 1.2
million science and engineering graduates churned out by Indias 352
universities and 18,000 colleges are nowhere near industry ready are rising to a crescendo as
theres growing awareness that the technical education being dispensed by them is way below
par, if not obsolete.
The growing panic in India Inc and belatedly in the ivory towers of the Union government (the
Union budget 2008-09 announced a slew of projects to expand and upgrade science and
technology education) has been fuelled by a 2005 study conducted jointly by the Delhi-based
NASSCOM (National Association of Software and Services Companies) and the NewYorkbased McKinsey Global Institute, which indicates that a mere 25 percent of the 495,000
graduates churned out annually by Indias 2,240 engineering colleges are industry ready. The
study also predicts a massive demand-supply mismatch with the demand for employable
information technology (IT) professionals (500,000 in 2008) outstripping the supply of 360,000
IT industry-suited graduates produced by institutes of professional education. This demandsupply gap is expected to widen further in the next two years with a predicted shortfall of
500,000 IT professionals by 2010. Against this, direct employment in the Indian IT-BPO sector
is expected to rise from 1.6 million in 2007 to nearly 2 million this year and to 3.2 million by
2010.
The NASSCOM-McKinsey study found that the three major constraints to the employability of
Indian engineering graduates are lack of English language communication skills; inadequate
domain knowledge, and technical skills especially among graduates of the vast majority of
second and third rung engineering colleges which are burdened with obsolete curriculums and
poor quality faculty, says Kiran Karnik, the Delhi-based former president of NASSCOM, the
consortium which serves as the lobby of the Indian software and BPO industries.
A looming shortage of adequately trained

professionals is not confined to the IT-BPO
sectors but is also causing sleepless nights for
managers in the infrastructure, manufacturing,
retail and services industries as well.The Indian
Labour Report (ILR) 2007, commis-sioned and
released by Bangalore-based human resources and
staffing agency, Team Lease Services, is even
more scathing about the output of the national
education system.
According to ILR 2007, 82.5 million of Indias
youth labour force of 145 million is
unemployable, with 5.3 million requiring last
mile repair (six months), 21.9 million requiring interventional repair (six months to one year),
and a massive 55.4 million requiring structural repair (one-two years). Repairing this skill
deficit needs Rs.490,000 crore over two years. Current budgets cover only 25 percent of this,
says the report.
Although of the 82.5 million suffering some degree of skill deprivation, only 11 million are
unemployed, the poor quality of skills of the employed is reflected in low incomes rather than
unemployment with 58 percent of employed graduates taking home less than Rs.75,000 per year.
According to ILR 2007 the root cause of the low incomes of Indias 71.4 million underemployed is demand-supply mismatch. While 90 percent of jobs require vocational skills, 90
percent of Indias school and college education is theoretical and bookish.
At the centre of this ballooning crisis is a higher technical education system collapsing under the
weight of obsolete syllabuses, under-qualified faculty, neglect of soft skills education and lack of
practical on-the-job training. Barring the seven IITs, 20 NITs and a handful of top-rung
professional colleges, the majority of Indias 2,240 engineering and technical institutes deliver
substandard education.
For instance a majority of the 1,793 private engineering colleges that have mushroomed in the
past decade in Tamil Nadu, Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh, Maharashtra and Kerala, which together
produce 69 percent of the countrys 495,000 engineering graduates per year, are experiencing
severe faculty shortages with few Ph Ds engaged in teaching. Moreover their curriculums are out
of step with industry requirements and lecture-based content delivery to students with inadequate
grasp of English is a glaring lacuna compounded by neglect of hands-on training. Most private
engineering colleges also suffer glaring infrastructure deficiencies including lack of libraries,
computers and laboratories.
While a small number of established institutions such as IITs, NITs, and others continue to
deliver their brand promise, the several hundred new engineering colleges which have
mushroomed during the past decade have difficulty in attracting qualified faculty and/or
retaining them. Neither do they attract the best students. It is the growing number of students
graduating from these poorly managed colleges who experience unemployment. In addition to
domain expertise and practical training, fresh engineering graduates also require training in soft
and behavioural skills, says R. Chandrasekaran, managing director of the Chennai-based
Cognizant Technology Solutions (sales revenue: Rs.8,923 crore), which campus recruited over
16,000 engineering graduates last year.
With the economy maintaining its 8-9 percent per year growth momentum and the IT-BPO
industry struggling to maintain its fast and furious offshore business growth rate of 25 percent
per year, the shortage of adequately prepared engineering graduates is badly hurting. Little
wonder IT industry leaders are crying themselves hoarse in every seminar and conference about
the poor quality of engineering graduates which is driving up wages and threatening the costcompetitiveness of Indias high potential IT/ITES and BPO industries.
But although the writings been on the wall for a long time and repeatedly proclaimed
inEducationWorld for the past eight years, its taken the over-hyped leaders of the IT industry a
long while to decipher it and act rather than complain. Recently and rather belatedly, NASSCOM
has launched a series of initiatives to upgrade the physical and intellectual infrastructure of
engineering colleges to enable them to improve the quality of their output, i.e. graduates.
The associations IT Workforce Development (ITWD) programme initiated in 2004,
incorporates a slew of industry-academia interfaces which include workshops and conferences,
faculty training programmes, and mentorship initiatives. NASSCOM is also working with the
Union ministry of human resource development (HRD) to promote five new Indian Institutes of
Information Technology (IIITs) based on the public-private partnership model by end 2008 and
gradually expand it to 20 IIITs over the next few years. Moreover, to equip young engineering
graduates with industry-ready skills, it initiated a Finishing Schools for Engineering Students
programme, also in partnership with the HRD ministry.
The first of the eight-week finishing schools programme was piloted in May-June last year in
eight selected institutions (IIT Roorkee and seven National Institutes of Technology in Calicut,
Durgapur, Kurushetra, Jaipur, Surathkal, Trichy and Warangal) for 100 BE and B.Tech
graduates of second and third rung colleges who despite possessing technical knowledge were
not selected during campus recruitment. Designed to reinforce basic technical skills, impart
industry specific knowledge and develop soft skills, the finishing school course is being
delivered jointly by faculty of the eight short-listed institutions and guest faculty from the IT and
ITES industry.
Against this backdrop of general acceptance that the education being dispensed by the great
majority of the countrys 2,240 engineering colleges is substandard as a result of which
workplace productivity of Indian technicians and engineers is poor, its hardly surprising that
Indian industry incurs perhaps the highest in-house personnel training costs worldwide. To make
up for teaching-learning shortfalls at collegiate and university levels most corporates invest
heavily in in-house education programmes to bring industry-unready graduates up to speed.
Indeed IT industry heavyweights such as Infosys Technologies, Tata Consultancy Services
(TCS), and Wipro run full-fledged collegiate-style training institutions to make good the glaring
deficiencies of Indias moribund engineering colleges (see box p.69). According to company
sources, Infosys reportedly spends Rs.500,000 per fresher recruited to get him/her industry
ready. This isnt a small sum. Its more than the aggregated tuition fee of a four-year study
programme in any of Indias highly rated Indian Institutes of Technology (IITs) and/or a toprung private engineering college.
Thus encumbered with the worlds highest personnel training
costs and abysmal organisational productivity, Indian
companies have belatedly started seriously engaging with the
deep rooted mainly government created problems of
Indian academia. For instance Infosys Technologies launched
a nationwide Campus Connect programme in May 2004 to
help engineering colleges develop and nurture high-quality
talent for the IT industry. Operational in 380 engineering
colleges across eight cities, under the Rs.10 crore per year
Campus Connect initiative, Infosys conducts seminars and
faculty training workshops to share best industry practices, helps upgrade college curriculums to
meet with industry requirements, and offers students access to the companys in-house
courseware over the internet.
In addition, an Infosys research and development team has designed a unique seven-month
Special Training Programme (STP) to upgrade the communications and technical skills of
unemployed engineering graduates from disadvantaged socio-economic back-grounds. Currently
STP is being implemented by Infosys in partnership with the Andhra Pradesh state government,
other corporate partners and educational institutions, and expects to upgrade skills of 2,500
students by December 2009.
All IT companies have to invest heavily in training fresh engineering graduates to make them
job ready. Our response has been to cast our net wider by recruiting science and business
management graduates and also hiring graduates of foreign universities. However, since the
magnitude of the problem is huge, we believe it makes good sense to prompt curricular reforms
at the university level, provide research grants to educational institutions and offer scholarships.
Industry must actively collaborate with engineering colleges to nurture high potential talent. Our
Campus Connect programme is a step in this direction, says Nandita Gurjar, the Bangalorebased vice-president, human resources at Infosys.
Similarly TCS, Indias numero uno IT software development company (annual sales revenue:
Rs.18,253 crore) with 89,500 employees across 47 countries around the world, has also initiated
several industry-academia partnerships to raise standards in engineering and technical education
institutions. The companys Academic Interface Programme (AIP) conducts student and faculty
development workshops and offers sabbaticals at TCS for academics, sponsors awards for
merit students and offers workplace internships to promising students. TCS also collaborates
with select universities and engineering colleges to design software engineering study
programmes aligned to the specific needs of the IT industry. Moreover its seven-month intensive
programme Ignite is designed to transform science graduates into software professionals. In
addition an annual meet with heads of engineering colleges (Sangam) serves as a forum to
share and understand viewpoints to create mutually beneficial sourcing systems.
In 2007, AIP reached 396 engineering and technical education colleges across tier I, II and
III cities in India, with the target set for 434 institutes this year. Nearly 60 percent of TCS
recruits every year are freshers. As the largest employer in the IT industry, we invest significant
resources and time to nurture and develop talent for the future. We believe long-term
relationships between academia and the industry will enhance employability of graduates and
build a steady talent supply chain for industry, says S. Ramadorai, the Mumbai-based CEO and
managing director of TCS.
Also on the tcs drawing board is a chain of finishing schools to be established in collabo-ration
with several state governments, with the company providing faculty support and content and the
state government contributing infrastructure. As a first step TCS has signed up with Webel (the
nodal agency of the West Bengal government for developing the IT and ITES industries in the
state) to establish the Webel Finishing School, Kolkata. A six-month study programme designed
by TCS tops up the technology and programming knowhow of engineering graduates while
enhancing their English language and other soft skills.
Nor is intensified industry-academia cooperation designed to improve the industry readiness of
engineering graduates the sole preserve of IT companies. In March the Chennai-based TVS
Group of 29 companies, Indias primary manufacturer of automobile components, announced the
launch of a finishing school for engineering grads in collaboration with IIT-Madras. Established
under the auspices of Lakshmi Vidya Sangham (a registered society of the TVS Group which
runs five schools in Madurai with an aggregate student enrollment of 10,000), the Madurai-based
finishing school will admit its first batch of 30 engineering graduates in July. While engineers of
the TVS group will offer hands-on practical training, IIT-M faculty will deliver classroom
teaching (tuition fee: Rs.70,000). Students who successfully complete the one-year advanced
certificate course in engineering design and analysis will be employed by the TVS group.
Engineering graduates tend to lack industry-relevant skills because college curriculums are
totally out of sync with industry needs. Practical exposure to advanced engineering software
and modern machinery is non-existent and faculty in most colleges is ignorant of industry
requirements since their own education tends to be limited. The objective of our finishing school
is to help students apply their learning on shopfloors to qualify to meet the current and future
expectations of industry, says Shobhana Ramachandran, managing director of Lakshmi Vidya
Sangham and chairperson of all TVS schools.
Yet its an ill wind that blows nobody good. The inability of Indias engineering colleges to
produce industry-ready graduates has spawned a new genre of finishing schools mushrooming
across the country. Such as 3 Edge Solutions promoted by mechanical engineer Prasad Kolisetty
in December 2006 in partnership with Cognizant Technology Solutions. This finishing school
which admitted its first batch of 35 students in 2006 for its three-month programmes has trained
350 students to date and has successfully placed 95 percent of them in software companies.
Inspired by its success in Chennai, 3 Edge Solutions has promoted two more finishing schools in
Hyderabad and Chandigarh.
With industry profit margins under pressure in an inflationary environment and corporates
increasingly weighing high training costs, finishing schools for engineering graduates have
become a necessity. We cater to students from tier II and III colleges who are technically
proficient but lack communication and workplace skills. These students are given hands-on
training in advanced technology and simultaneously provided soft skills training. Moreover we
have begun offering a six-month industry preparatory programme on the internet enabling
engineering colleges to integrate it into the curriculum of the final year engineering course, says
Kolisettty.
While finishing schools for engineering graduates are doing their bit to transform raw graduates
of upcountry engineering colleges into job ready professionals, quite clearly a more intelligent
response to the grave challenge of Indias snowballing technical skills shortage is required. For
one, theres an urgent need for industry particularly IT corporates which have enjoyed income
tax free status for over a decade despite super profits to take the initiative to promote model
engineering colleges/universities and vocational institutes which would upgrade and benchmark
engineering and technical education.
Simultaneously theres an urgent need for Indias 2,240 engineering colleges and technical
institutes to grasp the nettles of serious curriculum reform and faculty development initiatives.
The acute shortage of faculty is a bigger crisis than student unemployability. The abysmal pay
scales of engineering colleges pale in comparison to industry pay packets with the result that the
best and brightest are lost to academia, rues M.S. Ananth, director, IIT-Madras, who says that
even reputed IITs have begun experiencing the problem of graduate unemployability.
IIT graduates are grabbed by industry because they are extremely bright students, yet 5 percent
of them dont possess adequate soft skills and suffer rejection problems. The IT industry
constantly laments about students lacking soft skills but thats not the province of engineering
colleges which have to impart technical skills and domain knowledge to students. Industry
leaders must acknowledge the fundamental difference between educational institutions and
industry, and should not expect fresh graduates to possess well developed skills ab initio. IT
companies need to budget time and money to train fresh graduates in-house for six months
instead of blaming industry unreadiness on engineering institutions,
says Ananth.
Dr. D. Vishwanathan, vice-chancellor of the premier Anna University in
Chennai, concurs. The IT industry is dynamic and software languages
introduced two years ago can be obsolete now. Engineering and IT
companies keep updating their technologies, switching to newer
processes rapidly, thus making it very difficult for universities and
colleges to keep up. Therefore one solution is for engineering colleges
to form clusters and start finishing schools in collaboration with private
industry so that students can update their skills. Simultaneously faculty
can help students master English and develop communication skills.
Moreover universities and colleges need to be given greater autonomy
and academic freedom to innovate their curriculums, says
Vishwanathan.
But Kiran Karnik, former president of NASSCOM is not inclined to beat around the bush and
squarely blames Central and state governments and the Delhi-based All India Council for
Technical Education (AICTE) in particular for interference and over-regulating engineering
education. AICTE prescribes tall criteria for physical infrastructure, but completely overlooks
quality of faculty, pedagogy and other factors which are as critical. Theres no getting around the
need to attract qualified and meritorious faculty by offering market-driven pay scales, and
AICTE permitting companies to enter professional education without restriction, says Karnik.
Although AICTE has belatedly initiated a programme to offer summer
school induction training, short term refresher courses and advanced
technology and leadership to 10,000 faculty of engineering/technical
colleges in premier institutions such as Indian Institute of Science, IITs,
NITs, IITs etc (advertised in the Times of India, May 25), theres an
emerging consensus within educationists and industry spokespersons
that any reform of Indias technical education system must begin with
AICTE. Its regulatory stranglehold over professional (engine-ering,
business management, pharmacy, hotel management etc) education has
dumbed down engineering and technical education. They charge it with
being corrupt and too liberally licensing colleges without checking
quality of faculty and curriculums offered. Unsurprisingly calls for
scrapping AICTE are getting louder. In a letter dated October 15, 2007, even the National
Knowledge Commission (NKC) chaired by telecom multi-millionaire Sam Pitroda has
recommended the scrapping of the council and replacing it with an IRAHE (Independent
Regulatory Authority for Higher Education).
More recently in a letter dated May 6 to the prime
minister, Pitroda recomm-ended the adoption of
lesser-known engineering institutions by IITs to
help them raise standards. Moreover he mooted
the public-private partnership model to correct
glaring regional imbalances in the availability of
engineering education and advocated mobility
between science and engineering streams.
Quite clearly a radical overhaul of the technical
education system and training regime is urgently
required to meet the rising demand of industry for
adequately prepared engineers and technical
professionals. But the response to this
unprecedented challenge cant be left to
government educrats or private sector promoters of engineering colleges with dollar signs in
their eyes. Indian industry needs to actively engage with engineering and technical education to
design new syllabuses, innovate new curriculums and raise teaching standards and learning
outcomes across the board. After all it has the most to lose.
With Autar Nehru (Delhi); Vidya Sundaresan (Mumbai) & Mekhala Roy (Bangalore)
It is extremely strange that a country that has produced an avalanche of

engineers, many of whom have gone on to start some of the leading tech
companies in the world, are CEOs of various multinationals, are heads of
M&A divisions on Wall Street and have taken over many of the world's
consulting firms can be accused of coming from an educational system that is
fundamentally unsound.
And yet, that seems to be the case. A few years ago, the Economist
highlighted a study done by Indian firm Aspiring Minds on a large number of
Indian engineering graduates. The firm is run by brothers Himanshu and
Varun Aggarwal who had previously collectively received engineering degrees
from the temples of global engineering (the Indian Institute of Technology and
the Massachusetts Institute of Technology).
What the brothers unearthed was shocking at first, but perhaps not so
surprising when you actually think about our educational experiences in India.
Aspiring Minds essentially concluded that a large number of Indian
engineering graduates are unemployable, with 95.8 percent of them not fit to
work in a software product firm and only 17.8 percent employable by an IT
Services company. These figures were apparently even more bleak than the
25 percent figure of employability presented by McKinsey around ten years
ago. (Aspiring Minds' test was similar to the GRE and gauged students'
analytical, verbal and quantitative skills). A recent study on current work force
skills which I wrote about here pretty much said the same thing.
Indians need to get out of relying on primarily a rote system of

education
Many who have navigated the Indian education system as students, even at
an elite level, will tell you that one of the evils of our system is the emphasis
on rote learning. According to this piece, around 70 percent of Indian
principals felt that Indians weren't given enough opportunity to develop
creative thinking abilities and that the existing system today was along the
lines of the 'factory model' architected in the 18th and 19th centuries in order
to feed the engine rooms of the Industrial Revolution.
Of course, rote learning isn't all bad. As this article points out, "Without
spellings, facts and rules you're left floundering in a knowledge-free
vacuum," and that "data leads to - proper, considered thought, rooted in
knowledge and the logical jumps and inferences that naturally develop from
the simple gift of knowing stuff." Indians are comfortable around numbers
precisely because things like multiplication tables and assorted formulas were
hammered into us at a very early age.
Even today, I know all of Newton's equations for motion. I may have
eventually gone on to Trollope and Ginsberg and Amitava Ghosh, but thanks
to mind-numbing repetition, I still cant forget that s=ut+1/2 at^2, where 'a' is
negative in the case of a falling body that plummets to earth at 9.8 m/s^2
under the earth's gravitational force. Im not sure that in my case this would
have been possible in the absence of the Indian system of rote. (Or rat-ta as
we like to call it.)
Off course, if only that were bolstered by a healthy degree of conceptual
foundations, I may have enjoyed science instead of eventually analyzing the
human condition while stopping by woods on a snowy evening. Instead,
today, engineering is simply the means to an end for many Indians rather than
an end in itselfand this is doubly dangerous in a cloud-computing, plug-and-
play world where engineers are being commoditized and upstaged by

vocational students and management graduates.
The inadequacies of the Indian system became apparent to me when I went
from a high school (11th grade) in India that was a breeding ground for future
IIT engineers and did my 12th grade in a public high school in Queens, New
York (my mother was transferred there for work) where I enrolled in the
Advanced Placement Calculus class. I had already studied a third of the
course work in India but suddenly found a whole universe of practicality
opened up to me when I realized, for the first time, that an Integration problem
was really about calculating the area under a curvy line that could actually
represent a garden or a pathway or a wall and not just some abstract concept
that focused on getting the right answer. It was a revelation.
The problem with many of India's engineers (I am told by many who fit that
category)especially those enrolled at Indias best schools like the IITs of the
worldis that they focus mainly on getting in. This usually means thousands
of hours (and Rupees) spent on tuition classes outside of school. Once in,
theres not much intellectual flexing.
The founder of one of India's leading indigenous consulting firms recently told
me that he got a rude shock when he arrived in the US for a graduate degree
in Management after a supposedly top notch Indian engineering education
because he was simply unable, at least in the first few months, to cope with
the style of conceptual, analytical thinking that was taking place. "We were all
so used to being force-fed for years that when the feeding wasnt there, we
became paralysed," he said.
Indian engineers in the country have it worse because the absence of any
liberal arts framework means that elite engineering students often have an
elevated impression of themselves but tend to know little of the world around
them upon graduation.
But it's not just engineers who find themselves in peril. This article written by
an American who spent time at one of Indias elite colleges, St. Stephens,
looks at how he found a profound lack of depth amongst the students there. At
least engineers have some kind of foundation in Science whereas these
'Commerce' and 'Arts' graduates, on average, tend to have a foundation in,
well, nothing. Which is why many Indians who do their undergraduate in India
tend to repeat many of these years in the US.
95.8 percent of Indian engineers are unfit to work at

Indian software product firms according to Aspiring Minds
What's worse, Indians in general, post-graduation, have a serious lack of

knowledge about their own history and culture. This was certainly the case
with me when I was in high school. The upper strata of society tend to be the
worst off. Having lived in Delhi for the last seven years, I have found that
wealthy children from elite urban high schools and privileged boarding schools
are in fact the ones that are the most underequipped with critical thinking or
sophistication in formulating a world view compared to those coming out of the
more average institution. Perhaps, the womb of air-conditioned cars that ferry
one back and forth and air-conditioned houses to shield you from the
elements and half a dozen staff at home, not to mention ski vacations in
Switzerland prevent any kind of realistic examination of life around you.
It is not that Indians are not smart. Anything but, people would argue. It is the
education system that has failed them. The profusion of successful Indians in
the world is despite the odds of a broken system and thanks to the vast
population base that allows for attractive numbers. In reality the majority of
Indian children, as Pratham, the country's foremost education NGO will tell
you have a 2nd grade level of reading and proficiency in the 7th grade and only
1/3rd of students in the fifth grade can do simple division problems.
So, it must come as a tremendous source of relief for those wringing their
hands at ruins of the educational system in India to read that social venture
capital Lok Capital as well as seedfund Chennai Angels has invested close to
US$1 million in Everest Edusys, a company that weans children away from
rote learning to learning by doing. It plans on setting up science laboratories in
schools across southern states of Tamil Nadu, Karnataka and Kerala where
"students learn concepts such as force, motion, gravity through touch and feel
and activity based tools," he said.
Everest Edusys flagship product Quest Explore Discover (QED) is a mobile
interactive exhibit center that teaches students in K-12 science principles in a
hands-on way through experiments and other activities.
Apparently Everest has come up with tools that have been used at by over
20,000 children in 100 schools out of which 20 percent are government-run
a category that Everest wants to focus more on in the future by bringing the
wonders of a science lab to their doorsteps. The idea is to spur critical thinking
at a young age so students by using active learning methodologies. According
to research, students using their system enjoyed a 47 percent improvement in
their performance. Another outfit Flintbox wants to provide activity boxes on a
monthly subscription basis for young children to get their conceptual and
creative juices flowing at a young age.
Another innovative enterprise, Skyfi Labs, tries to tackle the problem a little
higher up the chain by trying to transform 'textbook geniuses' into employable
engineers by giving them something Indians dont really get often (how many
Indians do you know had to slave away at summer jobs or internships?)
such as access to practical, hands-on training, on- and offline.
The outfit has trained over 25,000 students from more than 150 colleges
according to VCCircle by conducting two to three day courses in areas such
as robotics, aeromodelling, web and mobile app development and civil
engineering according. Apparently, a Skyfi Evaluation Engine takes a close
look at the performance of each student and then feeds this to companies
looking for capable recruits.
A few more of these novel solutions and we just may have a shot at reaching
our potential in what could be a deluge of graduate talent in the country. Till
then, the rot will continue.
Unemployment of graduate engineers in India

INTRODUCTION:Area of Research: Unemployment of Engineers in India- A Sociological Assessment
Unemployment or joblessness occurs when people are without work and actively seeking work.
During periods of recession, an economy usually experiences a relatively high unemployment rate.
According to International Labour Organization Report, more than 197 million globally are out of
work or 6% of the worlds workforce was without a job in 2012.
By looking at the number of engineering colleges in India and the number of engineers coming out of
these colleges, the question that comes to everyones mind is, Does India need so many
engineers? Are they all employable? The answer is big yes. The world needs in plenty wellequipped, talented graduates with right attitude. There are job opportunities for those who have the
potential.
Different forms of unemployment in India:
1.Classical unemployment:
a) Classical or real wage unemployment occurs when real wages for a job are set above the market
clearing level, causing the number of job seekers to exceed the number of vacancies.
b) Many economists have argued that unemployment increases the more the government intervenes
into the economy to try to improve the conditions of those without jobs. For eg. minimum wage laws
raise the cost of laborers with few skills to above the market equilibrium resulting in people who
wish to work at the going rate but cannot as wage enforced is greater than their value as workers
becoming unemployed.
2. Cyclical or Keynesian unemployment:
Cyclical unemployment occurs when there is not enough aggregate demand in the economy to
provide jobs for everyone who wants to work. Demand for most goods and services fall, less
production is needed and consequently fewer workers are needed, wages are sticky and donot call to
meet the equilibrium level and hence results mass unemployment.
3. Marxian Theory of unemployment:
a) Marxists also share the Keynesian viewpoint of the relationship between economic demand and
employment, but with the caveat that the market systems propensity to slash wages and reduce labor
participation on an enterprise level cause a requisite decrease in aggregate demand in the economy as
a whole, causing crisis of unemployment and periods of low economic activity before the capital
accumulation.
b) According to Karl Marx, unemployment is inherent within the unstable capitalist system and
periodic crisis of mass unemployment are to be expected.
c) At first glance, unemployment seems inefficient since unemployed workers donot increase profits.
However, unemployment is profitable within the global capitalist system because unemployment
lowers wages, which are costs from the perspective of the owners. From this perspective low wages
benefit the system by reducing economic rents. Yet it does not benefit workers. Capitalist systems
unfairly manipulate the market for labour by perpetuating unemployment which lowers labourers
demand for fair wages. Workers are pitted against one another at the service of increasing profits for
owners.
d) According to Marx, the only way to permanently eliminate unemployment would be to abolish
capitalism and the system of forced competition for wages and then shift to a socialist or communist
economic system. For contemporary Marxists, the existence of persistent unemployment is proof of
the inability of capitalism to ensure full employment.
4. Structural Unemployment:
a) Structural Unemployment occurs when a labour market is unable to provide jobs for everyone who
wants one because there is a mismatch between the skills of the unemployed workers and the skills
needed for the available jobs.
b) Structural Unemployment may also be encouraged to rise by persistent cyclical unemployment: If
an economy suffers from long lasting low aggregate demand, it means that many of the unemployed
become disheartened, while their skills become rusty and obsolete. Problems with debt mainly to
homelessness and a fall into the vicious circle of poverty.
c)Seasonalunemployment may be seen as a kind of structural unemployment, since it is a type of
unemployment that is linked to certain kinds of job, eg, construction work, migratory farm work.
5. Frictional Unemployment:
a)Frictional Unemployment is the time period between jobs when a worker is searching for
transitioning from one job to another. It is sometimes called search unemployment and can be
voluntary based on the circumstances of the unemployed individual.
b) Frictional Unemployment exists because both jobs and workers are heterogeneous, and a
mismatch can result between the characteristics of supply and demand. Such a mismatch can be
related to skills, payment, work time, location, attitude, taste, and a multitude of other factors.
Graduating students and formers homemakers can also suffer a spell of frictional unemployment.
6. Hidden Unemployment:
Hidden Unemployment is the unemployment of potential workers that is not reflected in official
unemployment statistics, due to the way the statistics are collected. In many countries only those who
have no work but are actively looking for work are counted as unemployed. Those who have given
up looking for work are not officially counted among the unemployed, even though they are not
employed.
7. Long term Unemployment:
This is normally defined as unemployment lasting for longer than one year. It is an important
indicator of social exclusion. Long term unemployment can result in older workers taking early
retirement, taking reduced social security benefits at the age of 62.
Effects of Unemployment:
When unemployment rates are high and steady, there are negative impacts on the long run economic
growth. Unemployment wastes resources, generates redistributive pressures and distortions, increases
poverty, limits labour mobility and promotes social unrest and conflict. The effects unemployment
can be broken down into three types:
1.
Individual: People who are unemployed cannot earn money to meet their financial obligations. Unemployment can
lead to homelessness, illness and mental stress. It can also cause underemployment where workers tae on jobs that are
below their skill level.
2.
Social: An economy that has high unemployment is not using all of its resources efficiently, specifically labour.
When individuals accept employment below their skill level the economys efficiency reduces. Workers lose skills
which causes a lot of human capital.
3.
Socio-political: High unemployment rates can cause civil unrest in a country.
Reducing Unemployment:
There are numerous solutions that can help reduce the amount of unemployment:
1.
Demand side solutions: Many countries aid unemployed workers through social welfare programs. Individuals
receive unemployment benefits including insurance, compensation, welfare and subsidies to aid in retraining. An
example of a demand side solution is government funded employment of the able bodied poor.
2.
Supply side solutions: The labour market is not 100% efficient. Supply side solutions remove the minimum wage
and reduce the power of unions. The policies are designed to make the market more flexible in an attempt to increase
long-run economic growth. Examples of supply side solutions include cutting taxes on business, reducing regulation
and increasing education.
Operational definition Unemployment:

1.
The survey is designed so that each person aged 16 and over who is not in an institution such as a prison or mental
hospital or an active duty in the armed forces is counted and classified in only one group.
2.
Persons not in the labour force combined with those in the civilian labour force constitute the civilian noninstitutional population 16 years of age and over.
3.
The sum of the employed and the unemployed constitutes the civilian labour force.
REVIEW OF LITERATURE
Introduction:
The area of research is all about the employability of graduate engineers in India. Nearly 2 lakh
engineers and 1.32 lakh diploma holders were unemployed in 2007, the Ministry of Labour and
Employment told the LokSabha that 15 million jobs would be created in public and private sectors by
the end of 11th Plan. However, these numbers are likely to have gone up with several engineers losing
their jobs during the ongoing recession. The number of unemployed engineers has been growing
steadily since 2003, with 2006 being an exception. While in 2003, there were 82,000 unemployed
engineers, the figure rose to 1.12 lakh in 2005. However, in 2006 it fell to 48,000.
Somewhere between a fifth to a third of the million students graduating out of Indias engineering
colleges, run the risk of being unemployed. Beset by a flood of institutes offering a varying degree of
education and the shrinking market for their skills, Indias engineers are struggling to subsist in an
extremely challenging market. Now a study shows that 47% of graduates are not employable in any
sector. Their poor English and cognitive skills are to be blamed. In case of computer science or
information technology discipline, 30% engineers donot know basic theoretical concepts used in
computer programming, according to the latest computer programming learning levels, engineering
graduates 2013 report. Indian IT firms reject 90% of college graduates and 75% of engineers who
apply for jobs because they are not enough to be trained, according to NASSCOM. The purpose is to
define unemployment and to define the related concepts of layoff,looking for work,duration of
unemployment and availability for work.
Few articles related to unemployment of graduate engineers are elaborated below:
Article 1:
MANY ENGINEERING STUDENTS LACK THE NECESSARY SKILLS REQUIRED TO
ENTER THE CORPORATE WORLD. SOCIETAL PRESSURE INADEQUATE
INFRASTRUCTURE, POOR QUALITY OF TEACHERS AND OUTDATED SYLLABUS
ARE THE MAJOR REASONS FOR THIS THE HINDU
Are our engineering students unemployable? Unable to get a job, textile engineering graduate
LaxmiPriya decided to do her own research on opportunities.
The finding was devastating: her engineering degree was a mere rubber stamp. She lacked the skills
required for a job in a relevant field. One company asked me whether I knew how to mix dyes and
had designer and garment manufacturer contacts. Since I had never worked in a garment firm before
and did not have internship experience, I was at a loss she says. She is now preparing for her MBA
entrance exam. Two MBA candidates of Common Management Admission Test secured 40 marks
out of a maximum score of 400. The question related to problem solving, logical reasoning, language
comprehension, general knowledge and data interpretation-life skills needed to enter the corporate
world. If it is any consolation 311 students scored zero. This was proof that candidates were ticking
choices at random, remarked Dr. Emmanuel Arockian, Dean and Deputy Director, Loyola Institute of
Business Administration. All the skills required to crack such tests are necessary to see the
candidate through the course and during placement.
People hear this every year during placement time: our engineering colleges are churning out
unemployable graduates. In a lack of placement case recently, Justice N Kirubakaran noted, it is
the need of the hour to revisit the approval policy of AICTE and take remedial measures to improve
engineering education. Otherwise, the future of engineering education will be bleak.
Reasons abound: As academicians, it is our job to produce to good clay and beautiful dolls for the
industry. It is for the respective industry to shape the right dolls suiting its need and preferences says
Prof. S. Ganapathy, Dean SRM University.
He however concedes that there is dogmatism in some of the faculty members. They are not flexible
in their approach to teaching. Maybe there is disconnect between what is taught and what the
industry needs. There is nothing wrong with students intelligence. Obsession with digital
technology and social networking does not leave them with much time or inclination for studies.
They cannot concentrate, do deep study and think well and constructively he adds.
A majority of students are victims of poor teaching. So tuition factories flourish, where exam
survival skills are taught instead of real knowledge. This is the result of a vicious circle, says Sujit
Kumar, HRD expert. 10 years back a student had to get good marks and clear an entrance exam
with a good score to enter the engineering stream. With over 575 colleges and thousands of seats
going vacant, anyone who applies gets an engineering seat. When you are fundamentally weak in
maths/physics/chemistry, choosing engineering under the belief that it will provide employment is a
wrong move. Many opt for the subject without any interest, he says. Students lack basic
communication/ problem solving/interpersonal skills.
Huge numbers and huge compromises in admissions leave them unemployable. Schools have
become marks generating factories and when the student is tested for the practical application, he has
no clue. In Tamil Nadu communication ability is low. You cant be teaching how to communicate,
that is speaking or writing in English when you have to focus on core engineering subjects. When I
conduct student sessions the ones who fail and lose interest are those who have been forced to take
up this course. The disconnect between education and industry has other aspects. The talent required
by the IT industry is different from what a manufacturing industry wants or what a service industry
requires. Often, companiesdonot appreciate the knowledge students have in their specialized area.
Article 2:
ANDHRA PRADESH FARES POORLY IN EMPLYABILITY OF ENGINEERS THE
HINDU
Large number of engineering colleges and the huge intake blamed for low quality.
Andhra Pradesh figures among the bottom 25 percentile of States as far as employability of
engineering students for IT jobs goes.
The National Employability Report Engineering Graduates 2014 ranks the State alongside
Chhattisgarh, Uttar Pradesh, Kerala and Tamil Nadu.
According to the report, released by employability solutions company Aspiring Minds, Delhi, Bihar,
Punjab and Uttarakhand figure in the top 25 percentile of States of most employable engineers. The
report is based on the graduate class of 2013 and covers data from more than 1.20 lakh engineering
students from 520 engineering colleges across 18 States.
Compared to other metros, Hyderabad seems to be way behind given that only 1.7 per cent students
were found to be employable for software jobs, while for non-IT jobs, its performance was found to
be satisfactory. In the Associate ITeS operations sector however, 35.6 per cent were found
employable.
Similarly, 40.2 per cent were found employable in the ITeS and BPO sectors in non-IT roles. It is
therefore concluded that most engineering students from the city are being picked up for non-IT jobs.
The poor quality of engineers in the State is directly related to the large number of colleges and the
intake, the report revealed, a phenomenon which is also reflected on the national stage.
States like A.P. and Tamil Nadu, which have the highest number of engineering colleges, continue
to have lowest employability. States need to be conscious towards better education quality rather than
building more capacity, said Aspiring Minds CEO HimanshuAggarwal.
Article 3:
NEED
TO
FOCUS
ON
DEVELOPING
EMPLOYABILITY
SKILLS
IN
OUR
ENGINEERING GRADUATES INDIA EDUCATION REVIEW

According to the survey, carried out by a number of agencies, more than 70 percent of our
engineering graduates are not employable. DrKalam has rightly said that India does not have problem
of unemployment but unemployability. The graduates lack other skills beside the academic or
technical skills. The top three most important general skills identified were integrity, reliability and
teamwork, while the top three most important specific skills are entrepreneurship, communication in
English and use of modern tools and technologies.
If colleges want to improve the employability of their graduates, they have to focus on reducing these
important skill gaps through improvements in curriculum and teaching methods. The Universities are
required to play a significant role for the same so that graduates have to be able to formulate, analyse,
and solve a real life problem using standard engineering techniques.
Each institution should define the set of skills that a graduate is supposed to have after each semester.
Further, colleges need to change pedagogical style from teacher-centric to student-centric, and
include more assignments for students to independently analyse and apply tools on real life problems.
Only through such changes in the teaching-learning process will the future engineers become more
employable.
Swami Vivekananda always used to say that Education is the manifestation of perfection already in
men, We are all powerful, and we can do everything. This quote inspires us to upgrade ourselves
continuously through solving real life problems by applying the knowledge gained in the classroom
lectures.
Employers, universities and professional bodies agree that we need to develop professionals who are
highly skilled and ready to face the challenges of increased competition. More than ever we need
professionals who are responsive to economic, social, cultural, technical and environmental change
and can work flexibly and intelligently across business contexts. The industry requires new graduates
who understand the part they play in building their organisations, and have the practical skills to
work effectively in their roles. However, really contributing in the workplace means more than
having the necessary technical skills. It means engaging with the organisation and its goals,
understanding the dynamics of the workplace, and taking up a job role with an informed knowledge
of all of its requirements. It also means applying a broad range of employability skills learned in
many contexts and through a range of experiences. These are the skills, attitudes and actions that
enable workers to get along with their fellow workers and supervisors and to make sound, critical
decisions. Unlike occupational or technical skills, employability skills are generic in nature rather
than job specific and cut across all industry types, business sizes, and job levels from the entry-level
worker to the senior-most position.
Educational curriculum needs to be examined from time to time in order to ensure that the education
received by students is relevant and up to date. Industrial training received by students need to be
looked into and revised in term of its effectiveness to assured that students are clear with their job
scopes later on. Besides that, instructors should practice employability skill during teaching and
learning session so that it could assist students to understand ways of applying the skills by
themselves.
Motivators and counselors have to cooperate with institutions in the process of giving guidance and
inspirations to students regarding the ways to increase employability skill from time to time in order
to be excellent workers. Apart from that, apprentice programs are suggested to be carried out so that
students will be able to understand employability skill better. This program will also serve the
purpose to make students realized that employability skill is as important as technical skills.
The higher education sector is characterized by diversity; course and student profiles are different
and universities aim to develop students with distinct characteristics or attributes. Universities are
required to work in developing employability skills in their students by providing academic staff with
relevant support and resources, integrating these skills into curriculum and course design, providing
students with work placements and exposure to professional settings and providing advice and
guidance
through
career
services.
The
following
are
few
suggestions:
1.
2.
An
Strategy
Fund
should
be
created;
The employability skills in all university curriculum are to be explicitly identified;
3.
4.
Employability
The
teaching
and
assessment
of
employability
skills
are
to
be
enhanced;
Provide funding for universities to systematically review their work on developing employability
skills.
If the strategies related to the programmes for the development of employability skills are
formulated and monitored religiously then DrKalams vision of India being a developed country will
be achieved in a true sense.
Article 4:
INDIA GRADUATES MILLIONS, BUT TOO FEW ARE FIT TO HIRE THE WALL
STREET JOURNAL, ASIA
BANGALORE, IndiaCall-center company 24/7 Customer Pvt. Ltd. is desperate to find new
recruits who can answer questions by phone and email. It wants to hire 3,000 people this year. Yet in
this country of 1.2 billion people, that is beginning to look like an impossible goal.
So few of the high school and college graduates who come through the door can communicate
effectively in English, and so many lack a grasp of educational basics such as reading
comprehension, that the company can hire just three out of every 100 applicants.
Flawed Miracle
The Journal is examining the threats to, and limits of, India's economic ascent.
In India, Doubts Gather Over Rising Giant's Course
India projects an image of a nation churning out hundreds of thousands of students every year who
are well educated, a looming threat to the better-paid middle-class workers of the West. Their
abilities in math have been cited by President Barack Obama as a reason why the U.S. is facing
competitive challenges.
Yet 24/7 Customer's experience tells a very different story. Its increasing difficulty finding
competent employees in India has forced the company to expand its search to the Philippines and
Nicaragua. Most of its 8,000 employees are now based outside of India.
In the nation that made offshoring a household word, 24/7 finds itself so short of talent that it is
having to offshore.
"With India's population size, it should be so much easier to find employees," says S. Nagarajan,
founder of the company. "Instead, we're scouring every nook and cranny."
India's economic expansion was supposed to create opportunities for millions to rise out of poverty,
get an education and land good jobs. But as India liberalized its economy starting in 1991 after
decades of socialism, it failed to reform its heavily regulated education system.
India's Growth Battle
"If you pay peanuts, you get monkeys," says Vijay Thadani, chief executive of New Delhi-based
NIIT Ltd. India, a recruitment firm that also runs job-training programs for college graduates lacking
the skills to land good jobs.
But 75% of technical graduates and more than 85% of general graduates are unemployable by India's
high-growth global industries, including information technology and call centers, according to results
from assessment tests administered by the group.
METHODOLOGY:Methodology is the systematic, theoretical analysis of the methods applied to a field of study, or the
theoretical analysis of the body of methods and principles associated with a branch of knowledge. It,
typically, encompasses concepts such as paradigm, theoretical model, phases and quantitative or
qualitative techniques.
It has been defined also as follows:
1.
"The analysis of the principles of methods, rules, and postulates employed by a discipline".
2.
"The systematic study of methods that are, can be, or have been applied within a discipline".
3.
"The study or description of methods".
OBJECTIVES OF THE STUDY:1.
To reduce the rate of unemployment of graduate-engineers at a considerable rate by emphasizing certain strategy
plans.
2.
Strategy plans must include:-
Acquisition of discipline-specific and transferable skills through the curriculum
Support for Personal Development Planning
High quality careers guidance
Vocationally relevant curricula that support work-based and work-related learning within the curriculum including
sandwich year placements
Opportunities for volunteering and placement experience overseas
Support for Innovation and Enterprise initiatives and activities.
CONCEPTS USED FOR UNEMPLOYABLITY IN INDIA:1.
ON LAYOFF: -
People are on layoff if they are waiting to be recalled to a job from which they were temporarily
separated for business related reasons, such as temporary drops in demand, business downturns, etc.
They must either have been given a date to report back to work or ,if not given a date, must expect to
be recalled to their job within 6 months.
People on layoff are the only ones who do not need to look for work to be classified as unemployed.
2.
LOOKING FOR WORK: -
To be considered looking for work a person must have conducted an active search for a job within
the four weeks prior to the interview week.
3.
ACTIVITY PRIOR TO JOB SEARCH OR REASONS FOR JOB SEARCH :-
A persons activity prior to job search, or the reason she /he started looking for work, determines
whether to classify the person as having lost or left jib ,or as having newly entered or reentered the
labor force. This information, in turn, identifies persons with previous work experience. If the person
was working just prior to the current job search, we want to know how the person was separated from
that previous job; whether they lost their job, quit their job, or had a temporary job that ended.
4. DURATION OF UNEMPLOYMENT: If a person was not unemployed in the previous month, we ask how long he/she has been looking for
work. The individual can respond in either weeks or months. It is our responsibility to record both
how long the individual has been looking for work and whether the individual reported in
weeks/months.
5. AVAILABILITY FOR WORK: We ask unemployed persons whether they could have started a job last week, if one had been offered.
It is to be noted that if the person attaches conditions to the type of work or work schedule they want,
this does not affect their availability. For instance, people who can only work during certain hours, or
who want a certain kind of work, were available for work.
6.
REASON FOR LEAVING JOB: -
In order to claim unemployment, the person must prove that he is unemployed through no fault of his
own. If he was fired because of misdoings or job related reasons, he is probably ineligible. In most
cases, if he voluntarily left his job, he will be considered ineligible.
7.
GENERAL RULES: -
To receive any unemployment benefits, a worker must have had a job or multiple sequential jobs for
about a year prior to filing unemployment. He must provide the unemployment office with all
information they request, as well as necessary documentation. He may be required to register for
work with his states employment service, and he will be required to attend any meetings set up by
his unemployment office.
8.
TRAINING: -
Most states can refer the unemployed person to training programs. If he has been displaced from an
industry where jobs are no longer available, his state employment office can administer testing to
help him identify other career paths.
9. TIME LIMITS: In most cases, regular unemployment compensation limited to a maximum 26 weeks eligibility.
However, in times of high unemployment, the time limit ma be extended. During the 2009-2010
recession, for example, unemployment was extended multiple times to grant workers more time for
finding jobs.
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SAMPLING:In statistics quality assurance survey methodology sampling is concerned with the selection of a
subset of individuals from within a statistical population to estimate characteristics of the whole
population. Acceptance sampling is used to determine if a production lot of material meets the
governing specifications. Two advantages of sampling are that the cost is lower and data collection is
faster than measuring the entire population.
DEFINITION OF PROBABILITY:A probability sampling is one in which every unit in the population has a chance (greater than zero)
of being selected in the sample, and this probability can be accurately determined. The combination
of these traits makes it possible to produce unbiased estimates of population totals, by weighting
sampled units according to their probability of selection.
TYPES OF PROBABILITY SAMPLING:-
1.
SIMPLE RANDOM SAMPLING:-
2.
SYSTEMATIC SAMPLING
3.
STRATIFIED RANDOM SAMPLING
4.
CLUSTER SAMPLING
TYPES OF NON-PROBABILITY SAMPLING:1.
CONVENIENCE SAMPLING
2.
SNOWBALL SAMPLING
3.
PURPOSIVE SAMPLING
4.
CASE STUDY
ACCORDING TO THE DATA OUTPUT OF THE RESEARCH SURVEYED,THE TYPE OF

SAMPLE WHICH HAS BEEN USED IS CONVENIENCE SAMPLING
CONVENIENCE SAMPLING:A statistical method of drawing representative data by selecting people because of the ease of their
volunteering or selecting units because of their availability or easy access. The advantages of this
type of sampling are the availability and the quickness with which data can be gathered.
In Simple Random Sampling, a subset of individual( a sample) are chosen from a larger- set of a
population. In it, each individual is chosen randomly and entirely by chance. But in this case , given
the scope and scale of the project,it is not possible to conduct a simple random sampling.
Hence, the type of sampling used for this study is the Convenience Sampling.The Convenience
Sampling was conducted among different engineering colleges of India. The prospective engineering
graduate students belonged to public and private institutions, like, the IIT-Bombay, Jadavpur
University, Future Institute of Engineering and Management, Heritage Institute of Technology. From
the total number of 50 respondents 35 belonged to public institutions and the rest 15 were from the
private engineering colleges.
DATA COLLECTION METHOD: The questionnaire was administered to the third year students of the engineering colleges. Some of
the questionnaires were distributed through electronic mails and the rest of it was collected by
meeting thestudents in person. The questionnaire has 26 questions. The type of questions were close
ended and had to be responded in yes or no.
DATA INTERPRETATION: Out of 26 questions,15 have been selected because they represent the basic issues related to the
concept of unemployability found among graduate engineers in India.
From the results obtained it was found that 82% agreed that the unemployment rate in India among
engineers is increasing and 18% of them did not agreed to it. The Graduate Engineers did usually
have jobs, though, when it was tough for others to find work. The rise of the high-tech economy has
finally given engineers a measure of respect.But now engineers are losing their jobs faster than
people in a lot of other professions are. Even graduates of the best schools are getting laid off as
companies downsize and outsource or offshore operations to other countries.
Q1
YES
NO
NO. OF RESPONDENTS
41
PERCENTAGE
82
18
68% of the prospective graduate engineers think that engineersare not technically fit for their jobs
while 32% of engineers aretechnically fit for their jobs according to their specialization.
Q2
YES
NO
NO. OF RESPONDENTS
16
34
PERCENTAGE
32
68
About 3/4th of the total no.of respondents are positive that are academic qualification fulfill the basic
requirement for getting a job. The reason for such result can be attributed to the fact that most of the
companies nowadays have an inhouse training cell. So qualification wise the companies assume that
they are fit to be working and hence they get placed for a job.
Q3.
YES
NO
NO. OF RESPONDENTS
13
37
PERCENTAGE
26
74
From the result obtained, it was found that 84% of graduate engineers think that soft skills, like
communicative skill, etiquettes are equally important for employment and 16% of them feel that they
are not important. This minority feels that employment is entirely on the basis of the merit of their
marks. But we must give importance to the communication skills because in corporates and
manufacturing firms interaction among seniors, peers and juniors play a crucial role.
Q5.
YES
NO
NO. OF RESPONDENTS
42
PERCENTAGE
84
16
From the observation we get to know that 68% of the graduate engineers did not agree to the point
that diploma courses in engineering help in getting jobs more than the graduate engineers. While
32% of them agreed that at some point of time,diploma courses do help a person to get a job rather
than, being laid back at home. Furthermore, some students do not have the financial assistance which
can support the four year engineering course. So they opt for diploma courses which can provide
them a job faster as compared to a graduate course in a cost effective manner.
Q6.
YES
NO
NO. OF RESPONDENTS
16
34
PERCENTAGE
32
68
Out of 50 respondents, 32 of them find a similarity between academic syllabi and practical
knowledge in the engineering courses. However a good number of them have a contradictory
opinion. The pool of data collected belonged to some of Indias premier engineering institutes, which
have a moderate balance between the academic syllabi and day-to-day affairs of the industry. Since,
most of the respondents belonged to the crme category such a result has been observed for the
following question. However, this might not be the complete picture for other institutes and most of
them being private undertakings. So, unemployment can also result from a disparity between the two
factors.
Q8.
YES
NO
NO. OF RESPONDENTS
32
18
PERCENTAGE
63
37
The result of the survey implies, that 79% of the graduate engineers do not agree that an increase in
the number of engineering colleges imply an increase in employment rate. On the other hand it is
noticed that 21% of them feel that an increase in the number of engineering institutions, do increase
the employability rate. An increase in engineering colleges does not assure an increase in the
employment rate. This is so because there are factors which combine to create a good engineering
colleges. For example:- Having recruitment of good professors, should have necessary infrastructure,
proper screening and counseling of students who would be admitted to those colleges, etc. So just an
increase in number of colleges does not necessarily mean an increase in employment rate.
Q9.
YES
NO
NO. OF RESPONDENTS
11
39
PERCENTAGE
21
79
74% of the prospective graduate engineers agreethat college reputation is an important factor in
determining the employability rate. Whereas, on the other hand, 26% of them think that college
reputation is not dependent for employability rate. Well-reputed institutes are known across
firms,industries and prospective students who aspire to study there.It has long years of establishment.
Professors with years of experience also want to be a part of these institutes. These institutes are well
funded by the government and encourage innovations and research work. Admissions for the
students to the well-reputed colleges are very competitive.Companies prefer to employ more students
from well-reputed colleges compared to a college, which is not known to many.
Q10.
YES
NO
NO. OF RESPONDENTS
37
13
PERCENTAGE
74
26
From the result obtained,it was found that 66% of the graduate engineers agree that higher studies in
engineering increase the employability.While 34% of them think that it is not required to secure
higher studies, in order to get employability. Higher studies imply specialized knowledge in a
particular area of engineering which indicates a better chance for employment. The only downside of
investing another couple of years in education means an equal reduction in hands-on experience at
the job. There is a good percentage, though lesser, of the respondents who think that the on-the-job
experience also adds a lot of value than pursuing higher studies. Thus, it can be said that higher
studies to a certain extent play an important role in increasing employability.
Q11.
YES
NO
NO. OF RESPONDENTS
33
17
PERCENTAGE
66
34
58% of the prospective graduate engineers think that the education system in our country contribute
to an increase in unemployment, while 42% feel that education system does not contribute to an
increase in unemployability rate. Here, it is imperative to note that by education system one means
dispersal of knowledge at primary and secondary levels as well, and not only at the graduate level.
The ever-increasing population puts a pressure on teaching capability at schools. The shortage in
faculty for large class sizes affects the teacher-student ratio. As a result there is a fall in the quality of
teaching. This in turn adversely effects the foundation of knowledge and thus contributes to
unemployment.
Q12.
YES
NO
NO. OF RESPONDENTS
29
21
PERCENTAGE
58
42
The survey revealed that 84% agreed that lower than average pay plays a vital role in unemployment
among graduate engineers.While 16% disagreed to it. Salary plays an important factor for deciding to
take up a job. During the placements students keep looking out for a job, which pay them at par with
the present day averages. Additional factors include cost of living, nature of the job and
responsibilities to be taken up. Many a times students keep waiting for the job with the right pay and
thus lose out on opportunities, ending up as unemployed. Lower-than-average pay not necessarily
indicates a bad job though. Often start-ups, which focus on innovative products, recruit
engineering graduates. These small sized companies donot have huge pay, but provide ample
opportunities for growth.
Q14.
YES
NO
NO. OF RESPONDENTS
42
PERCENTAGE
84
16
From the result obtained, it is found that 71% of the graduate engineers think that unemployment is
more prevalent among the younger generation of graduate engineers.While 29% feel that its not only
among younger generation but also prevalent among people between 45-55 years of age.India is a
young countrywith more than 50% of its population below the age of 25 and more than 65% below
the age of 35. Thereby making the younger generation prone to unemployment compared to the older
generation. People between 45-55 years have experience and relevant knowledge, which help them to
find a good stand for employment. But, it has been observed that unemployment among the older
generation persists when there is an upgradation or dramatic change in technology. The Business
Process Outsourcing industry, especially the ITes-BPO employs people who are young.
Q15.
YES
NO
NO. OF RESPONDENTS
36
14
PERCENTAGE
71
29
The survey revealed that 34% of the graduate engineers think that the machines created by present
engineers are taking away the employment opportunities for the future ones.While 66% strongly
rejects to the opinion that the machinesare taking away the employment opportunities for the future
ones. People create machines,but machines do not create people. Machines aid in making work
easier, whereas it is the engineers with skill and knowledge who know how to run the machine in an
efficient manner. Therefore, it can be said that machines always do no take away the employment
opportunities for the future ones. But with the advent of technological renovations it is necessary for
engineers to keep themselves updated.
Q23.
YES
NO
NO. OF RESPONDENTS
17
33
PERCENTAGE
34
66
63% of the graduate engineers think that Government jobs create short term unemployment. And on
the other hand ,37% think that the government jobs do not create short term unemployment.
Engineers tend to sit back at home, hoping that they will be getting a Government job , which in turn
keeps them unemployed for some period of time. Government jobs provide job security which is not
there for private corporate firms.So some engineers keep looking for jobs which are under the
government .The Government sectors conduct several competitive exams such as UPSC, IAS,
WBCS etc.
Q17.
YES
NO
NO. OF RESPONDENTS
32
18
PERCENTAGE
63
37
71% of the graduate engineers strongly feel that unemployment can pave way for entrepreneurship.
While 29% of them felt that it does not pave way for unemployment. The reputed institutes, like the
IITs have a support cell, which provides opportunities to those who have not been able to bag an
offer or have interests in unconventional and innovative areas. For eg, IIT Bombay has an
Entrepreneurship Cell, known as the e cell which believes that entrepreneurship can unlock Indias
latent inventive potential. Moreover, in times of technological advancement and easy availability of
loans from banks provide support to an idea, which has the necessary ingredients for success.
Interests in other vocations like, photography, mountaineering, writing, etc can also provide path to
an unconventional career.
Q.16
YES
NO
NO. OF RESPONDENTS
36
14
PERCENTAGE
71
29
CONCLUSION:From the survey, it has been concluded that the unemployment in India is increasing at an alarming
rate and this had to be reduced at a considerable rate. Graduates unable to translate theory into
practice. Graduates fail to communicate effectively with employersduting their selection process.
Graduates stress the need to begin career planning earlier. A few suggestions and limitations are
elaborated below :-
SUGGESTIONS :1.
Government should look upon the matter of unemployability of graduate engineers in India, by introducing policy
planning and emphasisong on it. Thus reducing the unemployablity to a considerable rate.
2.
A country like India ,should develop and upgrade the level of education system.
3.
College must provide basic infrastructure ,equipments to the engineering students.
4.
The graduate engineers must be paid properly,in accordance of their ability and qualification.
5.
Unemployablity among the younger generation is more prevalent, and hence this leads to youth problems,such as,
addiction,alienation, identity crisis. This must be solved by supplying them with a minimum wage employability.
6.
Diploma courses should be also be encouraged .
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LIMITATIONS :1.
Since, this project was time-bound, that is the reason why it was not possible to conduct a survey on any sort of genderbias or inequality, faced by the engineers at their workplace. Otherwise, if time had permitted, then it would have been
possible to conduct this particular survey.
2.
In this project, the number of engineering colleges were limited. There are several engineering colleges all over India.
But, hereby the number of colleges surveyed are five.
3.
The sample size of 50 is not a true representation of population since there was time restriction.
QUESTIONNAIRE ON UNEMPLOYMENT OF GRADUATE ENGINEERS IN INDIA

NAME :AGE :-
GENDER:NAME OF THE INSTITUTE :1.
Do you think that the unemployment rate in India among engineers is increasing?
2.
Do you think engineers nowadays are technically fit for their jobs according to their specialization?
3.
Does academic qualification fulfill the basic requirement for getting a job?
4.
As population is increasing in our country, is this a problem and a reason for unemployment?
5.
Are soft skills, like, communicative skill, etiquettes, equally important for employment?
6.
Do diploma courses in engineering help in getting jobs more than graduate engineers?
7.
Have companies lost confidence in engineers?
8.
Is there any similarity between the academic syllabi and practical knowledge in graduate engineering
courses?
9.
Does increase in the number of engineering colleges imply an increase in employment rate?
10.Is employment dependent on college reputation?

11.Do higher studies in engineering increase the employability?
12.Does the education system in our country contribute to increase in unemployment?
13.Does the college provide ample opportunities that simulate real-life problems and encourage
students to work on them?
14.Does lower-than-average pay; play a role in unemployment among graduate engineers?
15.Is unemployment more prevalent among the younger generation of graduate engineers?
16.Can unemployment pave way for entrepreneurship, like, starting a new business?
17.Does preference for Government jobs create short-term unemployment?
18. Institutes do not teach what industries require. Industries do not require what institutes
teach. Do you agree?
19.Should Government intervene in the problem of unemployment of graduate engineers?
20.Does continuous policy emphasis and planning programs address to the problem of
unemployment?
21. Do you think that the engineering education system/syllabus in India is much more theory
based ?
22.Does shortage in producing quality graduate engineers increase the rate of unemployment?
23.Whether machines created by present day engineers, taking away the employment
opportunities for the future ones?
24. Contractual jobs,leads to bonded labours . Do you think that would limit the labourers
from their employability?
25 .Does incompetent faculty,such as lacking basic infrastructure and equipments , rendering
engineering graduates unemployable?
1.
What do you have to say about that?
Agree x 1
#1Ankita Katdare, Feb 24, 2014
2.
3.
Nayan Goenka
Star
Engineering Discipline:
IT
Its nothing wrong actually. And as a matter of fact, I have posed a similar question
to some of my classmates recently. "What will you do after the degree?" and
shockingly they do not have an answer. Not even a guess. The guys are like, we'll
see if we ever get through it and the gals simply just don't know.
And yes, at that point I feel proud as well as sad. Me luckily caught my own
direction at the right time and bad for those who are left directionless. Their
parents and family are actually looking up to them for further responsibilities.
And India, a place with outburst of population of people, more and more
engineering colleges are established to fulfill the social agenda of being a doctor or
an engineer and in the process we are creating a number of such misguided
engineers. The people outside the process are obviously going to make a joke out
of it when they actually know the importance and value of the same.
#2Nayan Goenka, Feb 24, 2014
4.
Anoop Kumar
Moderator
IT
I think this is 90% true.

Let see here what others are saying.
How many of here decided the career path development/testing/specific

programming language while they are in engineering?
p.s.: I decided to go with Java since last of my 2nd year b. tech. and unfortunately
still stuck with it
#3Anoop Kumar, Feb 24, 2014
5.
Anoop Mathew
Knight
Electronics & Communications
I decided to go with networking after 2nd year, because we had a summer term
during that time from HCL for training in CCNA. After that I'd keep checking with
my seniors who had started working and also with other friends I met online. Today
I'm working in the Network Operations Center which is fairly suitable for my E.C.E.
degree. Hereafter, I'd be looking forward to continue and advance in this field. But
unlike software fields, this one requires experience to get that 'extra buck' to please
your parents. So far 1.5 years in this company, I've no regrets and I'm hoping for
the new project in our company to flourish so that I can get to learn another new
switch.
Higher studies (M.S. Network Systems) are on hold as of now because financial
situation is not so favorable for going abroad.
P.S.: You may plan what-so-ever you want to do during college life, but sometimes
things don't always work out as you'd expect. But you've to try with whatever
possibilities you have to get there.
P.P.S: I've to really be grateful to C.E. and @Rupam Das Sir for actually letting me
know things I'd never have learned during College.
Like x 1
#4Anoop Mathew, Feb 24, 2014
6.
Ankita Katdare
Moderator
Computer Science
Anoop Kumar said:

I think this is 90% true.
Let see here what others are saying.
I think that it is meant as a sarcasm at people who decide to go for MBA or some
even more unrelated field because they realize anything technical is not their
cup of tea.
#5Ankita Katdare, Feb 24, 2014
7.
Anoop Kumar
Moderator
IT
Indeed,
though, it would be interesting to see answers from CEens who are in college.
What I have seen is most of people wanted to score over 70% to be eligible in all
campus interview, irrespective of their branch.
#6Anoop Kumar, Feb 24, 2014
8.
Anand Tamariya
Ace
IT
Some goal (like being an Engineer) is better than no goal - as long as the person
doesn't regret it!!
#7Anand Tamariya, Feb 25, 2014
9.
Vikram S Bargah
Ace
IT
Most of the Indian Engineers Today don't have any Goal/plans for their future. they
only believe in Present Day Pleasure.... Why to worry about Future ..Who cares ..
Just Chill Attitude!!!. They know that it is one of the easiest TAG they can get
(Thanks to Indian Education System ) & move proudly in their society.
#8Vikram S Bargah, Feb 25, 2014
10.
Raj A
Enthusiast
Metallurgical
I agree with it.. Sadly, I was the part of same community.. I had not even thought
about what am I going to do after B.E.. Luckily I came across a good opportunity
and got selected for PG in a reputed college.. Then I realized, how fool I was..!!!
Aso.. Now I'm on right track and in back of my mind I keep reminding myself about
my future goals..!!
Hence, whichever engineering student I met, I asked him/her the same question
and make them aware about the job situation in our country and possible future
prospects for them.. I guess, we all can do this at least.. !!
Current Situation of wannabe Engineers are far worse than we all could think!!!
P.S: This is my personal opinion and observation..
#9Raj A, Feb 25, 2014
India has the largest youth population in the world. But will our youth the future of our country
prosper with the kind of education that is being imparted today? Right to education exists,
but is our youth getting the right kind of education?
Sometime in May 2014, a reputed school based in Ahmedabad asked the parents of a group of
tenth grade students to attend an unscheduled parents-teachers meeting, a few weeks into the
start of the new academic year. At the meeting, the parents were confronted by the schools
senior teachers & administration officers, as they cited their childrens poor track record in the
past few years. The teachers then went on to almost threaten the parents that if the children fail to
score 50% marks in any one of the subjects in the upcoming term tests, the students will not be
allowed to attend classes at the school, and then the students can give their board exams as
external students.
The teachers asked the group of parents to take away all the luxuries they give to their
children, like TV time, tablets, phones, etc. and also keep a leash ensuring that the students
perform up to the mark, as the school will not let the poor performance of a few students
mar the schools reputation and performance in boards. Cancelling holidays, not allowing
students to take breaks was also advised.
It is hapless out there. Look, I know my son is not the most brilliant student in the class. But it
isnt like he is failing. It isnt like he doesnt deserve to go to school. My child may not score
more than 55-60% in boards and that could affect the schools average, and that is what the
school is worried about. And that, is ridiculous, said one of the parents who attended the
meeting organised by the school.
I was able to confirm that none of the other students whose parents were invited for the little chat
have ever failed a class in their last few years of primary & secondary schooling. Clearly, the
schools problem was the trouble these students had with a couple of subjects and how the
underperformance would affect the schools average, and hence affect the schools reputation
and hence make the school a less preferred place for new students, which affects the business
end of things for the school.
Interestingly, the school was citing the performance of the students in 9th standard the result of
which was declared around two and a half months back. So, why did the school not raise any
issues soon as the result was out? Why did the school not raise the issue over the last couple of
years? Why did the school not warn the parents at the time of the results that this kind of results
will not be entertained in the school? Did the school want the students to be in a position where
they could not choose another school, and thus had the liberty to threaten the students & parents,
and at the same time, collect the fee for the year? That was surely a win-win situation for the
school!
Can the schools expect every student of theirs to be excellent? What about the lads who just
dont get it? Those lads who will always pass an exam, but will fail to hit first class, let alone
touching distinction. Point being, if chucking out not-so-poor students to protect reputation is not
commercialisation of education, what is? The parents who bought this story to light to us are,
fortunately, smart. They understand that the school cant chuck out students just like that in the
middle of the term. If the school does that, it will be nothing less than illegal.
But unfortunately, not all parents are smart. Most parents would react to a situation like this
helplessly & aggressively. The parents will ensure that the child is tortured enough, without
considering the actual difficulty the child is facing. And will adhere to what the school advised
no gadgets, no luxuries, no breaks, no vacations. Only books.
Tenth hai, boards hai, log kya kahenge.
You know how students suicides take place? Thats how. Students suicides is a huge problem
in this vast country of ours that we often fail to even recognise. The first step to solve a
problem is to recognise there is one.
65% of Indias population is under the age of 35; 54% of the population is under the age of 25,
45% under the age of 20, 35% under the age of 15 and 23% under the age of 10. More than 40
crore Indians are students of pre-primary, primary & secondary schooling, where as close to 22
crore other Indians are pursuing some kind of higher education or have just started with a new
job.
And is it just students suicides the problem that we fail to recognise? In 2008, the Economist
stated that 50% of children population at and under the age of 10 failed to read properly, 60%
failed to perform simple mathematical divisions, and more than half of the children dropped out
by the age of 14.
Today, India has an unparalleled youth demographic: 65% of Indias population is under the age
of 35; 54% of the population is under the age of 25, 45% under the age of 20, 35% under the age
of 15 and 23% under the age of 10. More than 40 crore Indians are students of pre-primary,
primary & secondary schooling, where as close to 22 crore other Indians are pursuing some kind
of higher education or have just started with a new job.
India herself is a young country, only 68 years old; her constitution even younger. In this global
landscape today, we compete with some of the developed powers of the world that have been
around for much longer than 68 years. America turned 238 years old this July, United Kingdom
has never been ruled, China has never been ruled by outside powers, it being a republic since
1912. Since India attained Independence in 47, education has been viewed as a tool to gain
social change, a tool to solve the countrys problem, a tool to make India a better place. But has
it? Has education empowered any social change? Has education lifted half a billion out of
poverty? Or a tenth of a billion for that matter?
It hasnt, in my opinion. Neither has education remotely been able to influence the huge social
divide that has been prevalent in India since time immemorial. 26% of Indias wealth is owned
by a few elite who all can sit inside a bus, and thered be still a few seats left.
Reservations in education have utterly failed to stand up to their purpose of bridging the gap
between the backward and the forward classes; in fact, reservations have increased that gap.
Reservations in education introduced by our nations forefathers have utterly failed to stand up to
their purpose of bridging the gap between the backward and the forward classes; in fact,
reservations have increased that gap. Today, caste-based reservation has ended up becoming a
tool for politicians to ensure stronger votebanks. Yes, reservations arent completely irrelevant,
but at the same time, there appears to be a huge scope of improvement in the way we reserve
seats for our poor and people belonging to minorities and backward classes.
To top that, while education has been unable to deliver social change, education in India has
consistently failed to do what it is supposed to do: developing students well-enough so they can
go out there and get jobs. While we expect education to be a tool to perform the all-round
development of the students, which includes teaching morals, social responsibility, civic duties
and a whole lot of other significant values, a report in 2013 claimed that at least 47% of all the
Indian graduates were unemployable. 90% of the engineering graduates were deemed
unemployable. Roughly 84% of graduates did not have the cognitive ability to get jobs, where as
90% lacked fundamental English proficiency and communication skills required for the jobs.
Another report by Ersnt & Young for FICCI deemed 75% of Indian IT graduates unemployable.
A report in 2013 claimed that at least 47% of all the Indian graduates were unemployable. 90%
of the engineering graduates were deemed unemployable.
What is it about our education system that is causing the situation to be as miserable as half of
our graduates being deemed unemployable? Let us face it, our education system does not teach
what the industry demands, and while this may not be the case for creative jobs, this is surely the
case with the jobs that require trained skills or practical and theoretical proficiency.
Try to find the root of this problem and it is not hard to pinpoint as to how we have always
believed in learning something rather than understanding something. We read to mug, we dont
read to educate ourselves. The delivery of the knowledge is mostly in form of theory, straight
from kindergarten to masters, and whatever little practical knowledge is delivered is barely
enough. The society promotes ratrace, and parents & teachers love to benchmark their students,
and find ways to easily compare them to others student. Hence ranks & marks exist. The students
are never told about their purpose of going to school or college; for them, they just need to
ensure they score their As in the next test, whenever that may be. The students need not
understand a topic if they cant, thats fine; they are backed to mug up something just so as to
vomit the same in their answer papers. Most parents dont mind going to unlimited extents to
ensure that their child adheres to studying.
Clearly, the approach that our society has taken towards education is a despicable one and it will
take decades to change this approach, if we were to try. But is the societal approach the only
problem thats causing our education woes?
Not really. The parents, the teachers, the students are doing their bit to ensure what the students
are supposed to consume, is consumed. Unthinkable measures are being taken to ensure that the
students fair well in their exams. The thing with society is that the society always likes
competition, good or the other kind. Parents will always want their child to ace their class,
irrespective of what their child is like and irrespective of what s/he likes. The society at large
prefers to accept the status quo as it is, in stead of showing dissent. The common man likes it that
way. And so, the students, the parents, the teachers, do what has been prescribed. The common
men follows the law laid down by the lawmakers.
Ever since the Independence, there have been little reforms in the educational landscape. In fact,
much of our education system is still the same, as it was when Britishers left India.
An article by one of our contributors highlighted how the British system of education was
designed for slaves. The article pointed out striking correlations on how India never adopted an
education system that was better for students, and tried to reform the broken system incorporated
by the British that they designed for their Indian slaves. The article suggested four points worth
noting: i) the system never teaches students to work in teams, but focuses on individual
performance & individual benchmarks; ii) the number & choice of subjects is decided by
everyone else but the student; iii) during the British Raj, it was very essential that the slaves not
be too confident, or else they could create difficulties. Thus it was decided that students be
graded (just like vegetables in the market); iv) the students are always watched, constant
surveillance was very essential to prevent any kind of promiscuous fraternisation. The article
closed with the contributor Janmejay Dave writing, This system was purposefully designed to
restrict free thinking. When the British imposed the education system in India, they did it with a
clear purpose of churning out slaves. But unfortunately even after 63 years of independence our
education system still lacks the reforms it so desperately requires.
While we cannot be sure if the Britishers purposefully designed the education system to be like
this, it will not be wrong to say that the system treats students as nothing more than slaves.
Perhaps, for our lawmakers and politics, education is nothing but a tool to build their votebank.
And once promises help politicians gain power, education becomes a cash cow for the netas and
the babus. Given the kind of demographic we have, India is the biggest market for education, and
it will be for sometime now, and we can see how well people in position of power, and
businessmen are capitalising the situation to gain maximum benefit.
The votebank politics and commercialisation of education has caused the more important issues
surrounding education to be sidelined. While we know that our theoretical approach is doing no
good for graduates, we must also understand how lawmakers have never taken the initiative to
fix this broken mess.
The system follows no uniformity; every state university has its own course structure and
framework and methodologies, every school board has its own way of imparting education, the
public schools have their own boards, while private schools & colleges remain affiliated to a
government body, whilst following much of their own ways of working. Hundreds of deemed
universities have their own methodologies and frameworks.
Today, our curriculum does not advocate practical approach we cannot blame the parents or the
teachers to not take a practical approach to teach students if the curriculum has little provisions
for practical knowledge. Our syllabi that we follow is outdated and is not updated for years. Our
history, in schools history textbooks, ends at 1947, giving no importance to history of the
Independent India. Our computer engineers are still learning the programming languages of the
1980s and the 1990s and by the time the subjects will be upgraded, new history would have
already been made.
The amount of bureaucracy involved ensures that every necessary change in the system takes
years to be passed. The pepper sprays in the Parliament ensure that significant legislations
surrounding education never be debated upon. The number of governing bodies for education is
more than we can count on our fingers, adding to the misery of the education system. The system
follows no uniformity; every state university has its own course structure and framework and
methodologies, every school board has its own way of imparting education, the public schools
have their own boards, while private schools & colleges remain affiliated to a government
body, whilst following much of their own ways of working. Hundreds of deemed universities
have their own methodologies and frameworks, and often these universities use their power, or
money, to ensure full autonomy and no adherence to law of the land. Various institutes are today
demanding autonomy, but want to remain affiliated to a university.
The question is, do we want to follow a system of education that is grossly decentralised with
numerous power centres as it has been the case since Indias independence, or do we want to
bring in some discipline and uniformity in the education system?
Does it not make sense to shun all the existing bodies and boards in favour of one single
autonomous & constitutional body for education that takes care of everything related to
education? The body can have its sub-bodies at state level to ensure the different requirements of
different states are catered to. Such a body would be independent of the government, and thus
relatively sandboxed from politics.
There are numerous other significant issues that surround our education system. Lack of budget
allocation, the municipal school system is in shambles, most institutes teach their students in a
sub-standard environment, with little infrastructural facilities. Filthy toilets, unhygenic drinking
water and lack of proper classrooms and laboratories make for a common sight in Indian schools
and colleges.
We havent still figured out a uniform medium of language. Even governmental documentation
in most states takes place randomly in regional language/ Hindi/ English, as per the choice of the
person making the particular document. All these years we were forced to learn the importance
of English, and suddenly all the Hindi fans are coming out, trying to triumph English and other
regional languages. Whats the point? What is wrong with keeping English as an official medium
of communication? This kind of unnecessary debate highlights the excessive amounts of
parochialism we impart in our kids. East or west, India is the best. And every other country
doesnt even qualify to be talked about.
Today, too many cooks are making (breaking?) our education system. And as the saying goes,
too many cooks always spoil the broth. Almost everything about our education system is flawed,
and it will take years, if not decades, to fix everything. But we should not forget that Indians are
downright smart. (No, this is not my parochialism talking.) We are. Look at the number of
scientists, doctors, and engineers we give to the world every year. Most brilliant brains of India
have moved abroad, more or less citing the broken systems that our country is surrounded with.
The intellectual prowess of Indians is all the more reasons why we must get our acts together,
why we must fix our broken education system.
When a country grows, we should grow with it. If we dont, we are left behind. Education is
perhaps the single most important infrastructure that forms the foundation of any
country. Education builds the basis for the countrys standard of living, its economy, and also
its social structure. Change is vital, and its better to go with it than to oppose it. A revolution
in our education system is the need of the hour, for a better tomorrow. Let us work towards it.
11 Astonishing Facts That

Show Indias Massive
Obsession With Engineering
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BY TALHA DAR - SEPTEMBER, 17TH 2015
It is right to say that Indians rarely have a tendency to select professions on their own as
their parents always have the wisdom to select it for them. In a country of roughly 1.2 billion
people, it becomes difficult to select a sturdy career so certain standards have been made
regarding it that many Indian parents blindly follow. Engineering and Medicine are the only
fields that are considered and each one supposedly gets a well-paid job for their children.
Normally it is Engineering for boys and Medicine for girls.
So, what you are about to see in a series of Gifs is the result of this mass-level
indoctrination of Indian students into the field of engineering. Since most of the population is
under-20 and there are no regulations to curb this unnatural flow into one or two fields, the
demographics of Indian engineering graduates and students is astonishing!
1. 1.4 million people appeared for the main engineering

entrance examination!
It was one of the biggest single day exams ever conducted!
2. To give a perspective about the ridiculous number of

applicants, it is more than the number of students who gave
GMAT and GRE combined in one whole year in the whole wide
world!
3. Every year, around 1.5 million Indian engineers hit the job
market!
More than USA and China combined! Whoa! Now thats something.
4. Twice more than the population of entire Iceland!
Well, what can you say? European nations are too small.
5. Not just studies, engineering coaching and tuition industry is

worth billions of dollars in the country
6. It spins more money than their local film industry Bollywood

does in a whole year.
7. As a positive impact of this huge number of graduates, nearly

16% firms in silicon valley have had an Indian engineer as cofounder.
8. It is the highest among all immigrant countries. Even more

than China, South Korea and Taiwan!
9. On the downside, various agencies have reported that 75 %

of India s engineers are unemployable
There is nothing worse than bad education!
10. It seems Indian engineers have excelled more in other fields

rather than engineering itself.
11. If engineering is somehow made into a religion, it will be the

fifth most popular one after Hinduism, Islam, Sikhism and
Christianity!
Basic guide for Indian Engineers to becoming Employable
April 10, 2013 | Experience | Akhil.
Its hiring season in Green Apple Solutions and

like every time these are very exciting times. As a policy we prefer to hire freshers only. There is
an elaborate theory behind doing this which I shall share some other time but the short reason is
that freshers are fast learners and that is extremely important for a company like us where new
technologies are adopted as soon as they are available. Every day many candidates appear for
interviews for various profiles. Most of them are usually engineers for their analytical skills. I
feel very bad when I say this but only less than 30% of them are actually employable and this is a
very optimistic number. It is very easy to become an engineer in India due to the abundance and
omnipresence of engineering colleges and almost everyone who comes out of school with
sciences as their majors get a B.Tech. Parents becomes a part of this rat race or peer pressure and
get their kids into engineering colleges without considering the future options or even the
aptitude of the child. The result is as we see a deluge of unemployed unemployable graduates
with an engineering degree and no knowledge of any sorts. Anyways, this post is not meant to
discuss the faults in the system or parenting or anything else but more about how engineering
students and graduates can become employable. It has been a long time since I wrote as an
employer (this is the last post) but trust me these are very simple steps that you can follow and if
followed correctly will definitely get you a job. In a sea of aspirants if you are different you will
stand out and that will get you hired. Being different will get the job done for you.
Drop your ego, wake up and smell the coffee: I will be brutally honest here. If you are not studying in
the top 50 colleges in India (IITs etc) you will most likely not get placed. There could be many reasons for
the same, most prominent one being not getting the opportunity at all. You need to realize this as soon
as possible and start working to trying to get past this disadvantage. Most of the students just coast
through the 4 years of college simply assuming that something will happen when they graduate. Well, it
doesnt. The first and most important step towards fixing the situation would be accepting it. Then only
can you do anything to fix it. You need to accept that just because you have completed a degree, it does
not entitle you to a job.
Be ready to pivot: Maybe pivot is not the right term here but being an entrepreneur this is the term that
comes naturally to me. You need to be clear about what you are going to do once you pass out. Do you
wish to stay and try for employment in your core field or are you already planning to try to get into IT or
some other field. Even if you are rigid about your choice you should be ready to switch/pivot in future
for when things do not work out as you planned. If you are thinking of doing MBA then you may stop
reading this post, bookmark it and come back to it when you are about to graduate from your
management school. Chances are if you are not employable now, an MBA is not going to change that
and the points that I am going to discuss next apply even to unemployable MBAs.
Try to score well: Let me start by saying that it is very less likely that you will ever be able to actually use
the knowledge that you gained in college. Having said that I still recommend you to score well in your
degree exams just so you dont get filtered out at the first stage of screening. Almost all companies will
look at your resumes before you are called for an interview and with low scores you are very less likely
to be called.
Build skills, learn something: Most of the resumes that come in my hands are usually inflated with
bogus or useless projects what are of zero inherent value for the applicant or the employer. Most of
these are parts of compulsory training modules which are to be honest, utterly useless. Some of them
are certifications from various random institutes which have no value in terms of usefulness. Instead of
doing all this try to cultivate some skills which could be leveraged later. If you want to stay in your core
field, pick a subject/topic of your field and become an expert in that. Everyone around you is a jack of all
trades and to be different you need to be the master of at least one. If you wish to move to IT after
graduating then start working towards it. Learn any programming language, understand the OOP
concepts and try to build something. If you come to me with a programming project even if it is small, I
will be impressed. It pains me dearly to see a graduate sitting in front of me who knows nothing even
though the rsum is full of educational accolades. Stop running after certificates. learn something real.
Get a real hobby: Surfing internet is not a hobby. At least with the advent of Facebook it no longer is.
You need to think beyond listening music, reading books, surfing net. Not that there is any harm in
listening to music or reading books but you need to specialize in something. No employer is every going
to count spending time on Facebook as a self-improving activity. All of us are able to like, learn and
cultivate one skill or the other so why not do it. Today I met a girl whose hobby is Madhubani Paintings.
Not only is it unique, it gave her an advantage when she first intrigued and then educated me about the
same. Unless you are applying for something genuinely mundane, everyone wants to hire passionate
people only.
Fix your resume: Your rsum is broken. I have not yet looked at it and I know it is broken. The reason
this is so is because I know that your rsum is not original. Most likely you took the rsum of a friend
or a senior and just changed the personal information. I talked about this in detail in one ofmy previous
posts. Maybe you do not realize it but if in a stack (pile) all the resumes look alike, what are the chances
that yours will even be considered. You need to fix your rsum. From the filename to fonts to the
content. Everything.
Please come prepared: If you come unprepared for an interview in any way, be it your attire, your
outlook or your punctuality the only message I get from this is that you are not genuinely interested in
getting this job. So some research about the company where you are going, be aware of the profile you
are applying for and prepare yourself accordingly. Almost all interviews contain some trivial questions
and if you cant even answer those then it really shows you are not serious. I always start with Tell me
something about yourself and usually the answer to this question alone tells me if the candidate needs
to be considered or not. Also please come dresses nicely.
Stay confident and persistent: It is very easy to be tempted to quit after a few failures. It is
understandable that failure get to you in a way most situations dont. It breaks your confidence and fills
you up with a lot of doubt. It adds a lot of pressure which in turn harm you. Let me tell you a little
secret. There is no shortage of jobs in the industry. You just have to become the right (or even just OK)
candidate. Try to stay confident. And persevere.
I am sure that most of you might already be aware of, if not all, a lot of these things but the most
of you dont realize the importance of these points. And difference between knowing and
realizing is what the entire employability is all about. Although I am writing this post to help
you, the aspiring engineering student or graduate, you can really help me and employers like me
by actually paying heed to these points.
In case you want to ask any more questions or wish to share your feedback, feel free to post a
comment or you can catch me on twitter at @akhilrex
BANGALORE, India To get a feel for the ambition coursing through this countrys
high-growth, high-tech sector, take a ride south of here to Electronics City, a 330 -acre
industrial park known as Indias Silicon Valley. There, on a verdant, four -year-old
campus, sits the Indian Institute of Information Technology Bangalore (iiit -b), a postgraduate university chaired by N.R. Narayana Murthy, founder of outsourcing giant
Infosys Technologies Ltd.
Its modestly lowercase logo notwithstanding, iiit -b seeks to be nothing less than the
Stanford of India. Funded by the state and private companies, including Motorola, it
offers stimulating courses taught by tech luminaries and A -list professors, state-ofthe-art classrooms and a theory-light, practice-oriented approach. Berthed on the
second floor are innovation and incubation labs. Students in a software engineering
class rave about the flexible curriculum and exposure to real -world tech.
Im dreaming of starting my own company, says Raghuram Ashok, a 23 -year-old
software engineering grad student at iiit -b. A generation ago, such an aspiration
would have been rare among young, educated Indians. If you go back 25 or 30 years,
just to get a job after graduation, even with good qualifications, you had to know the
right people in the right places. It was very dismal, notes institute professor S.S.
Prabhu. But the IT boom has unleashed a tremendous creative energy.
Demand for Trained Talent

Yet therein lies a challenge. The institute is one of the players in a drama now
unfolding on Indian campuses, many of them freshly planted, that could determine
whether all this creative energy is properly tapped and channeled. In particular, the
white-hot pace of expansion in the tech industry an estimated 30 percent annually
has upended the once placid realm of engineering academia. And the escalating
demand is not just for computer scienc e and IT majors. The expanding economy is
also fueling an infrastructure boom and increasing the need for civil, electrical and
mechanical engineers. According to one professor, India has now reached a point
where virtually anyone who wants to become an en gineer, can.
But will he or she be any good? In addition to iiit -b, some 100 colleges and institutes
have sprung up in and around Bangalore, and many more have spread across the
subcontinent. All are engaged in an unprecedented real -time experiment: Can one of
the worlds largest countriesbut one thats still developing assemble a trained
workforce at warp-speed?
The race to ramp up Indias institutions of higher learning is shadowed by a sense of

impending crisis, a fear that the dearth of fresh engineers could short-circuit Indias
IT juggernaut. At even the most prestigious corporations, human resource managers
are worried. We all have a shortage of manpower, says John K. John, deputy general
manager for talent transformation at HCL Technologies Ltd. Scarcely a day passes
without the Hindu or Deccan Herald solemnly proclaiming that the countrys formidable
tech industry will grind to a halt barring a drastic upgrade and expansion of technical
education. Tirelessly playing the role of Cassandra is Kira n Karnik, president of the
National Association of Software and Services Companies (NASSCOM), the chamber of
commerce for Indias IT industry.
While some young men, on the brink of starvation, desperately look for work,
employers elsewhere lookwith almost similar desperationfor appropriate persons to
fill tens of thousands of vacancies, Karnik recently remarked in Londons Financial
Times. The market is providing strong signals about the failure of our education
system. It is not producing enough peopl e with the skill sets our economy needs . . . .
This could seriously stymie Indias economic growth.
Though 464,743 engineering degrees were awarded in the 2004 -5 period, according to
the All-India Council for Technical Education, up from 401,791 the prev ious year, that
rate of growth is still too slow. And too few qualified engineers are being produced. A
joint study by the global accounting firm KPMG and NASSCOM warns that 235,000 jobs
may be left unfilled by 2010 unless schools focus on quality as much as quantity.
Dire predictions notwithstanding, many experts remain sanguine. Its good to be
paranoid, says Sanjay Anandaram, founder and manager of the Jumpstartup venture
fund. It spurs people into action. The good news is, the people exist.
There is no dearth of engineering talent, agrees Selvan D, senior vice president for
talent transformation at Wipro. Its only in the right skills where the shortage is
coming.
Stark Contrasts Persist

Indias impressive strides over the past two decades can c reate a misleading
impression, as it remains very much a developing nation. For every entrepreneurial
hopeful like Ashok, there are many more working Indians who are left out of the IT
story altogether. One out of every three ekes out life on less than a d ollar a day. And
while Indian companies have set the world standard for low -cost offshore business
processing, citizens in rural regions still struggle without clean drinking water and
electricity. At about 60 percent, adult literacy still pales beside Chi nas 90 percent.
Indeed, two-thirds of the countrys engineers are schooled in just five states, all
located in the more progressive southern region. In many cases, Indias institutions
bring to mind a lumbering elephant, slow -moving and resistant to chang e.
A third of Indias one-billion-plus citizens are under age 15, so the question of how to
steer more of Indias youthful and bountiful population into engineering is a crucial
one. Yet it has only gained attention quite recently. Indias modern engineeri ng
educational system dates only to 1947, when the country gained independence and
the republics education-minded first prime minister, Jawaharlal Nehru, spearheaded
investment in civil and mechanical engineering. Unfortunately, Nehrus passion for
pedagogy favored higher education at the expense of primary institutions and was
aimed not at creating jobs and raising living standards but at constructing too many
capital-intensive trophy public works.
The renaissance of Indias economy began in 1991, when th e License Raj, a Sovietinspired system of restrictive bureaucratic regulation, was partially dismantled. The
move unleashed a tidal wave of investment by domestic and overseas firms and
opened up Indias antiquated, hidebound economy to the world. Thoug h oxcarts and
beggars are still features of life, even in Bangalore, this tropical city of 6.5 million,
once a balmy idyll where retirees spent their golden years, is now where Indians are
making gold. As they redefine efficiency, these newly minted Bangal ore entrepreneurs
are remaking the face of modern business from Toronto to Tokyo to Toulouse. Every
high-tech marque that matters has hung its shingle in this once somnolent pensioners
paradise,
from multinationals like Google,
Yahoo!,
IBM and Motorola to
local
outsourcing majorsWipro, Infosys, HCL, Satyam and Tata not to mention scores of
lesser rivals. Indias success at training its low -cost workforce to serve as the call
center and business-process out-sourcerers for overseas companies has transform ed
its economy into the second -fastest-growing in Asia, piling on an average 6 percent
growth every year for the past 15.
Push for Engineering Education

The liberalization of Indias trade regulations not only energized business and gave
Indians new confidence about competing on a global footing. It also injected fresh air
and scale into the state university system, permitting for the first time the
establishment of private colleges and institutes, some chartered by an astonishing
range of homegrown luminaries. The SSN College of Engineering in Chennai (Madras),
for example, was set up in 1996 by Shiv Nadar, the billionaire founder of tech giant
HCL.
Until recently, quality higher education in engineering was guaranteed only to the
precious few students who made it into the tier 1 schools the elite Indian Institutes
of Technology and the Indian Institutes of Science, which award only about 3,000
undergraduate degrees a year. About twice as many four -year engineering students
are taught at second-tier schools such as the National Institutes of Technology. The
lions share of students are enrolled in tier 3 institutions. Most of these bottom -tier
schools are private ventures less than a decade old, a product of what Indians refer to
as their own perestroika.
Predictably, the feverish pace of college expansion has come at the expense of
quality, and many tier 3 schools are, in fact, diploma mills, with no shortage of
clientele. Anandaram, who has financed a number of tech startups, describes these
schools appeal: Im a poor kid from some remote village, I see this flashy neon
signThis is your path to glory, all you need to do is pay me so much money, go
through this six-week program and boom!
But uneven quality plagues even conventional four -year institutions. According to a
widely quoted McKinsey Global Institute study, three -quarters of all engineering grads
are unemployable, either because their training was too theoretical or outmoded or
because of a lack of instruction in soft skills, which ofte n translates to a poor
command of English. India supports 18 official languages including Hindi, and only
about 350 million Indians speak English as a second language.
In addition, when it comes to the teacher shortage, the IT industry is its own worst
enemy. Industry salaries are so high that new bachelors holders can earn several
times what their Ph.D. professors make. Understandably, precious few students can be
coaxed into sticking around to earn postgraduate degrees. And Ph.D.s forget it. Only
a few hundred were trained last year. As a consequence, many schools must settle for
teachers with only an undergraduate degree.
Aiming for the Top Tier

And yet, many of the upstart new private colleges have visions of attaining the
standards of top U.S. schools. All of us to some extent were influenced by MIT and
Stanford, says S.
Sadagopan, the gregarious director of iiit -b. Sadagopan is
something of a legend within Indian engineering circles, the archetype of a traditional

Indian scholar whose modest demean or belies a formidable academic career. He is
also distinguished by his crimson caste mark, his habit of padding around barefoot and
his apparently infinite memory for students names. Sadagopan despairs of the
absence of a Stanford-style menu of majors at his own institution. What we do not
have are full-fledged liberal arts schools, a business school, a medical school which
would bring a lot more energy and dynamics to the engineering school.
Finding Common Ground

An Indian-reared U.S. professor
spearheads a drive to boost
engineering education in both his
native and adopted countries. By
Spencer Potter
India and the United States

have a lot in common. Both
countries are thriving the U.S.
being the worlds largest
economy, India its most
populous democracy. Both are
built on pillars of tolerance and
diversity.
But in engineering education,
the two nations differ sharply.
U.S. schools view research and
Ph.D. programs as the heart and
soul of their departments, while
educators in India cite lack of
research as one of their most
significant shortcomings.
American engineering schools
have trouble recruiting and
keeping enough engineering

students to meet domestic and
international demand. For
college-bound Indians,
engineering is one of the most
popular pursuits, but the
degrees conferred at second and third-tier institutions are of
questionable quality.
Krishna Vedula, professor and
Dean Emeritus of Engineering at
the University of Massachusetts,
Lowell, saw an opportunity for
organized collaboration that
would benefit both countries.
Born in southern India, Vedula
received his undergraduate
degree from the prestigious
Indian Institute of Technology
(IIT), Bombay, and came to the
U.S. to pursue graduate work 37
years ago.
ASEE has partnered with Vedula ,
providing him with the resources
to realize his vision. After
drawing an overwhelmingly
positive response from other
Indian -born U.S. deans of
engineering, Vedula founded the
Indo-U.S. Collaborative for
Engineering Education (IUCEE).
Together with ASEE, Vedula and
his colleagues organized a two part IUCEE Action Planning
Session to advance the quality
and global relevance of
engineering education in India
and the U.S.
The first forum, held in June
2007 at the Infosys Mysore
Campus Leadership Institute in
Mysore, India, drew 81
education and business leaders
from the two countries, along
with government officials.
Afterward, a delegation led by
James Melsa, now ASEE
president, visited New Delhi and
briefed Indias outgoing
president, Abdul Kalam who
has a degree in aeronautical
engineeringand U.S.
Ambassador David C. Mulford. A

second forum, with more than
100 attendees, was held two
months later at the National
Academy of Engineering in
Washington, D.C. It culminated
with a $333,000 pledge to
IUCEE by the Deshpande
Foundation.
Of particular concern to
participants at both forums was
the lack of interest in science
and engineering in the U.S., the
inadequate preparation of
engineering graduates in India,
the shortage of students
pursuing Ph.D.s in engineer ing
in India, and the need to
encourage and support women
and underrepresented minorities
in engineering careers in both
countries. Several promising
models were considered worthy
of large-scale implementation.
The two sessions resulted in
plans for an Indo-U.S.
Engineering Faculty Institute
with four areas of
concentration: curriculum
content and delivery, education
quality and accreditation,
research and development, and
innovation and
entrepreneurship. The Institute
is intended to help prepare the
large number of faculty required
by engineering colleges in India
and in the U.S. to meet the
needs of industry in a global
economy. Also contemplated is
Just down the road from iiit-b is the Bangalore campus

of the Amrita School of Engineering. In some ways a
distinctly Indian enterprise, Amrita is financed by the
foundation of Mata Amritanandamayi Devi, or Amma, a
charismatic
only
54-year-old
fourth-grade
fishermans
education,
daughter.
she
has
With
gained
international renown as a spiritual leader, popularly

known as Indias hugging saint. Religion is not a
requirement
medicine,
at
Amrita,
biotechnology
which
offers
majors
and
nur sing,
in
alongside
courses in Ayurvedic medicine and yoga. But the

founders
humanist
moorings
have
helped
this
engineering school lure back from Californias Silicon

Valley a number of Indian luminaries, though it comes
nowhere close to matching their previo us salaries.
They include P. Venkat Rangan, who founded and ran
the University of California-San Diegos multimedia lab
until decamping for Amrita in 2003.
If youve lived in the U.S. for 10 years, then youve
made enough, says Shekar Babu, another forme r
expatriate
on
the
Amrita
faculty,
who
reportedly
relinquished a salary about 30 times what he now

earns for the chance to give back to society.
To increase the offerings at its multiple campuses in
three states, Amrita has started giving selected classes
on a high-bandwidth, interactive satellite E -learning
network; it is also working on beaming lectures over an
IP network.
Today, education is highly interdisciplinary, Rangan
says. We understand that to know physics, then you
need to know how the eye perceivesbiologythen
electronics and computer science.
A number of educators and working engineers suggest
that Indias traditional experiential learning mode, in
which students imbibe knowledge from a guru, makes
an Indo -U.S. Engineering

Student Network to facilitate
student internships and
interactions and provide acce ss
to high -quality learning
materials. It will be linked to
the Global Student Forum
currently sponsored by ASEE
and the International Federation
of Engineering Education
Societies (IFEES), an umbrella
organization of engineering
societies, deans councils and
student groups.
These efforts are expected to
benefit India by increasing the
number of qualified engineering
faculty, including more Ph.D.s;
offering students access to
better curricula; producing
graduates with skills needed by
industry and encouragi ng
research. Benefits to the U.S.
include opportunities for global
experiences for faculty and
students, collaborative research,
development and
entrepreneurship in emerging
technologies of global
relevance, and access for U.S.
universities and companies t o
well-trained engineering
graduates from India.
Infosys, the Deshpande
Foundation, and the Indo -U.S.
Science and Technology Forum
provided initial planning support
for the forums. Additional
corporate support came from
Agilent Technologies, Autodesk,
Dassault Systemes, Hewlett
Packard, The Mathworks,
Microsoft, National Instruments
and Siemens. The U.S. Embassy
in New Delhi, IFEES and the
Indian Society for Technical
Education (ISTE) were also
important partners.
Spencer Potter is ASEEs

International Prog rams
Associate.
many students uncomfortable with the vir tual classroom. Educators at Amrita respond
that virtual classes are intended to complement, rather than supplant, conventional
classrooms. And the Amrita project, which has received high -level endorsement from
the Indian government and is slated to tap fa culty from more than a dozen U.S.
engineering schools, appears to offer one strong possibility for overcoming the severe
shortage of teaching talent in India.
Industry Invests in Education

Indias paucity of training resources is so acute that leading empl oyers like Wipro,
Infosys and HCL have been compelled to invest heavily in assisting universities and
training institutes, going well beyond the standard internships and campus recruiting
seminars. It will take a while for universities themselves to scale up, says Wipros
Pratik Kumar. Until that time, organizations will invest in helping them. Corporations
routinely send their own staff to guest -teach and help professors stay current by
offering them training in fast-moving fields such as Java and embe dded systems. New
hires can expect to keep studying throughout their careers at Wipro, where starting
this year all 65,000 employees will have access to 2,000 E -learning courses covering
technical subjects and business skills, as well as domain areas such as insurance and
retail. The company has 129 in-house full-time facultya university within its own
walls.
Like its competitors, Wipro is also looking beyond engineering majors. If the
engineering population is just 7 or 8 percent of all grads, and Bachel ors of Arts and
Commerce is 64 percent, can we afford to overlook that pie? We cant, declares
Kumar, who is executive vice president for human resources. About a fifth of Wipros
intake is science graduates who get up to speed by taking IT courses on the job.
Kumar says only a few thousand Wiproites are non -Indian now, but that in the future,
to hedge risk as the company moves into higher -value-added areas of the still-nascent
business process sector, Wipro is looking to aggressively hire not just in east ern
Europe but also in Canada and Latin America.
Similar sentiments were expressed by two entrepreneurs, former Stanford mechanical
engineer and Indian Institute of Science professor Krishnan Ramaswami, who is now
chief technology officer for 3D Solid Comp ression Ltd., and K.K. Venkatraman, the
startups CEO and an ex-Wiproite. If people exhibit the right kind of skills, we should
be able to train them, declares Venkatraman. The startup recently took on a former
welder who, as it turned out, had a talent for designing 3-D models.
3D Solid Compression is one of a handful of startups produced by the elite IIS, which
also aspires to play the role of incubator, la Stanford. Unlike 10 years ago, the
atmosphere is entirely conducive to starting a company, sa ys Venkatraman. A lot of
people want to break out of the mold. People are more willing to take risks now.
On the outskirts of Bangalore, a former bank building is now occupied by another IIS
professor, Dr. K.V.S. Hari, and his startup, Esqube Communicati on Solutions, which
specializes in signal processing technology. In the past, when we started companies,
we had to use our spouses names, he says, recalling the frustrating roadblocks of
the previous highly regulated era. But as of 2000, reforms allow f aculty to hold equity
in their firms. At last, he says, professors have the liberty and venture funding to start
converting their cutting-edge research into products.
Were now at a stage in tech education where the U.S. was 40 years ago, iiit -bs
Sadagopan comments. But the bet is high well have a Silicon Valley in 15 or 20
years.
While some Indians still grumble about slow reforms, the feverish pace of change
evident here makes Bangalore feel less like a slow -moving elephant and more like a
pachyderm stampede.
Lucille Craft is a Tokyo-based freelance writer who files regularly for CBS News and
PBSs The Nightly Business Report.
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Educated and yet jobless: a disaster waiting to

happen
Education should be oriented to employability
Abhirup Bhunia | July 5, 2013
Abhishek Kumar, 23, hanged himself to death in Patna in February this year following depression
from joblessness. Sudip Singh was in his late 20s when he committed suicide after failing to repay
debts. That was 2010 and he was unemployed. Even in the so-called Indian Silicon Valley, Bangalore,
young DR Shyam recently took his life, leaving behind a suicide note claiming dejection due to
unemployment.
Indias urban centres are faced with an emerging crisis whose magnitude is often overlooked. Youth
unemployment continues to rise in a nation where more and more people are migrating to cities and
towns while a crumbling educational edifice fails to work Indias population bulge to its advantage.
According to the agglomeration index, a new and now widely-acknowledged measure of urban
population, 52% of Indias population is urbanised. Concurrently, Indias urban population is set to
rise to around 600 million by 2030 according to various estimates. At present, 7.5% of
graduates/postgraduates in urban India are jobless, as per recent official data from the labour
ministry.
Educated unemployment is so entrenched and institutionalised in society that even the abnormality
of such a situation is often short of being acknowledged. Asked about extensive unemployment,
Bimal Nashkar, himself a jobless youth who graduated in 2008 at the height of the global financial
crisis which many believe India did better at weathering than others, said: Whats new in it? There
are so many of them. Nashkar rues the lack of comprehensive unemployment allowances in India.
But living off state support is hardly a solution. Most people desire an out-and-out reform of the
system. A recent report put together by Boston Consulting Group went to the root of the problem. It
said Indias huge labour surplus comprises graduates who are without the requisite skills and thus
unemployable. Put simply, applicants profiles consistently dont match job requirements.
The founder and chief mentor of Sikshana, an educational foundation based in Bangalore, ES
Ramamurthy believes that with a focus on rote learning, degrees awarded to students are often
irrelevant to skills looked for by employers. In addition, if you look at the statistics now, across the
country new state-run colleges are an extinct species, Ramamurthy said, lamenting the states
abdication of its responsibility.

Critics say under the shadow of the neoliberal educational policy, a privatised education system has
meant quality higher education is not universally available. A 13% cut in higher education spending
in the 2013 federal budget only bears out Ramamurthys grievance, one that is widely shared.
Dwindling state support comes with a mushrooming of shoddy private institutes that churn
graduates in thousands without necessary skills being imparted.
A recent ESRC Centre on Skills, Knowledge and Organisational Performance working paper
confirmed fears that the quality of graduates in India leaves much to be desired. According to the
report, authored by Ruchi Hajela, on the one hand, domestic economic growth has created huge
employment demand and job opportunities, while on the other, a shortage of skills is making more
people unemployable.
Engineering graduate Rajbir Sanyal is reeling under debt. He took an educational loan of around
5,000 and, after a four-year bachelors degree from a private institute, is without a job. I have
come to realise my CV is unworthy, and my degree a mere piece of paper, he says. Sanyal, a resident
of Kolkata, calls attention to state apathy by citing paltry public expenditure on higher education in
India. According to latest available figures, state spending on education stood at 3.85% of GDP.
As educated Indians suffer from chronic joblessness, fingers are automatically pointed at the
substandard quality of schooling itself. When human resource minister MM Pallam Raju said that
linking education to jobs was a priority, he aptly captured in a few words what really needs to be
done.
Aditya Singh, president of Alexis Society, a Lucknow-based youth-led not-for-profit and a participant
of the Indian governments NGO partnership scheme, echoed Rajus views. Academia and industry
must come together to introduce some courses of professional relevance, he said. Singh further
argued in favour of a strategic reform wherein the focus will be on nurturing specific skills to reduce
the existing mismatch.
The thrust of education policymaking in India is now quality. In fact, allowing FDI in higher
education is one among a slew of measures adopted by the government to potentially tackle the
situation. But the possible benefits of such a move are debatable as critics say it is elitist in nature
and will exclude the very mass of jobless population who simply fail to come up to scratch and battle
it out in the hypercompetitive globalised job market.
The biggest problem in life is a gap between reality perception and self-assessment.
The second biggest is contradictory desires in the mind. Let me explain the second one
first. Many youngsters want to be rich and honest. Many young boys want to marry a
smart homely girl. Where have these notions come from? Clearly from the dream
merchants who are creating unrealistic expectations. Engineers do not want to pursue a
career in engineering, hotel management graduates do not want to continue in the
hospitality sector they all want to be managers. Somewhere, the dream merchants
have been able to brand the MBA degree as an assurance of a good job, defined as a
high CTC (cost to company) and little work. In the good old days, it meant an airconditioned office, Wi-Fi enabled system, company car and good looking secretary.
Sometime ago, we added ESOPs to the mix, and more recently music to the ears
work from home. Does an MBA give you all that a gullible youngster believes it gives?
No, certainly not in India.
The first major review of the MBA program was carried out at the University of Michigan
in 1931. The Michigan review, and numerous subsequent ones pointed out that the
MBA program needs to be more skill oriented and that it needs to develop its own body
of knowledge. The first MBA was offered in India by the University of Madras in 1951,
and little has changed since then. With a huge overkill by the government of India, the
first three IIMs (popularly called ABC) were set up and the sheer number of applicant to
seats availability ratio ensured that good (smart, intelligent, hardworking! ) students got
selected and these IIMs gold-plated gold. The numbers were small. With no reference
to the curricula and pedagogy, no concern for the skill set required for managerial tasks
little or no availability of faculty and a poor research base, the universities (government
and non-government) and autonomous institutes recognized by the All India Council for
Technical Education (AICTE) have sprung up in every nook and corner of India. The
number had crossed 3000, and has now come down with the shutting down of some
due to financial constraints.
The average MBA in India is unemployed, nay, unemployable. The reasons are many.
First and foremost is the curriculum design. The MBA program was designed for
executives with substantial (8 to 10 years) work experience and domain knowledge. It
rests on a belief that you cannot manage that what you cannot do yourself. Also,
managerial decision making calls for a certain level of maturity, which is usually lacking
in a young adult straight out of college. However, most students in India come for an
MBA without any work experience (and surprisingly so do the teachers). How does one
teach industrial relations to a student who has no idea of industry or relations, leave
aside strategic management? Second, the pedagogy of a management subject is
different from commerce or maths.
Management is not a subset of social psychology or operations research, although it
borrows from these areas. Management is an applied discipline, and calls for a
combination of teaching and training. It then calls for teacher preparation, and the
average PhD is not adequate training for teaching a management course or training for
a managerial role. While subject experts can deliver the curricula, teaching and training
are different aspects, and need to be treated differently. Third, every discipline requires
a degree of prior knowledge and competencies, and so does management. That

graduation in any discipline from any university college with any marks is good enough
is an absurdity. Not even the best institutions can transform every child in two years,
much less the average B-school.
Fourth, most B-schools ignore industry requirements and employability drivers. I hear a
very large number of management graduates stating that management is the art of
getting work done (and adding, with tongue in cheek, not doing it yourself). Someone
must be teaching that in the classroom. Such an attitude is a guarantee of
unemployability. Clearly, industry wants people who are willing and capable of hard
work.
Last but not the least, the promotion campaigns carried out by the B-schools tend to
lead applicants believe that the starting CTC is somewhat below what IIM-A or ISB
claims, and in any case nothing less than Rs 12-15 lakh a year often off the mark by
a multiple of 10. They are heartbroken when reality strikes.
With the supply hugely outstripping the demand for managerial jobs, we are doing a
great deal of damage to the future of our children as well as to the social fabric of the
country. By pursuing policies that convert the uneducated unemployed into degreeholding unemployable citizens, we are causing great harm to the psyche of the
individual as well as robbing professions of available talent. We are short of teachers,
nurses, electricians, and plumbers, and flooded with jobless MBAs. Can we introspect
on our policy framework?
The author, Harish Chaudhry, is a professor of management studies at IIT-Delhi.
Lack of Employable Talent in Todays Indian Graduates
During the 1980s, Indian graduates faced a lot of difficulties due to lack of employment opportunities
despite good academics and scholastic abilities. Unemployment rate was at its peak. But in 1991,
the Economic Reforms have changed the face of Indian job market. Industrialization, growth of
public and private sector enterprises etc. boosted employment opportunities as well as better-paid
jobs.
Today, it is even more better. Companies are mushrooming like never before. We are outsourcing
products and services to international companies. Obviously, there is no lack of opportunity. On the
other hand, there is no shortage of professional degree holders. The number of higher education
institutes has gone up. India is the third largest higher education market in the world producing 37
lakh graduates every year.
However, companies national and international are afraid to give jobs to Indian graduates. This
because sheer lack of job skills. Industry experts opine that even after pursuing 15-16 years of
formal education our graduates are still not suitable for a job. They say, giving jobs to such people
will destroy their hard earned brand name and reputation.
Its not unemployment but unemployability

Lack of employability skills or employable talent among Indian graduates is the current problem in
Indian job market. The reasons cited are lack of skills, obsolete syllabus, poor academic delivery,
lack of work culture exposure and emphasis on just scoring marks instead of gaining knowledge. We
are, thus, surviving with a mediocre higher education system in the global market. This is an open
secret now with many industry bodies coming out with research reports and many eminent
personalities expressing their opinions on the situation.
Experts talk
Nasscom report According to Nasscoms report of the 37 lakh graduates coming out
every year only 25% of are employable in the IT-BPO sector. Especially when it comes to
tech graduates only 35-40% are readily employable. Further, while the industry is updating
itself very fast with the global market requirements our education system is still lacking
behind.
The Metro Man of India E-Sreedharan was also upset by the deteriorating standards
of technical education in India. According to him, we have enough number of engineering
colleges producing lakhs of engineers every year. While the best from IITs and RECs are
going to universities abroad, the next best lot goes to management selling soaps and oils.
The next lot goes to IT as it is very lucrative. Still we are left with so many engineers who are
of low quality.
He quotes a survey according which only 12% of the current engineering graduates are
employable, 56% can be made useful through further training and the remaining 36% were
not even trainable. He emphasized the point that the present curriculum is not in sync with
the industry needs, it is not even upgraded frequently to the changing industry needs. He
also mentioned that poaching and lack of integrity are two main issues with the current
graduates who are doing jobs for the sake of remunerations.
Prathibha Patil - The former President of India, expressed her views on Indian education
system saying Our system must be revolutionized and the institutions must be revamped
to go to the next level of the education ladder to produce a generation of skilled, educated,
trained, productive and employable youngsters. As India is blessed with great number of
young population, our education system must make sure to fully equip this generation before
they enter the work sphere.
KPMG partner, Mohit Chandra Mr. Mohit Chandra is a partner in KPMG, one of the
leading professional services companies in the world. In his article An Open Letter to
Indias Graduating Classes published in The New York Times, he expressed his concern
about the Indias graduating class. In the beginning itself he said we regret to inform you
(graduates) that you are spoiled. With a collective experience of hiring and developing
people, he fins shortage of skills in graduates, which employers typically look for. Here goes
those the list of these skillso Lack of English communication skills both oral and written
o Poor problem solving skills and inability to think out-of-the-box
o Not interested to learn or invest in new tools, techniques, and new sector knowledge
o Unprofessional and unethical behaviors hopping job every year, using one
companys offer letter to fish jobs in other companies for more salary, not willing to
work for extended hours etc.
His message to the graduates is to make them aware and get ready with the skills that every
employer expects. He also asked the grads to invest in language skills, knowledge gaining
activities, true professionalism, and to think creatively and non-hierarchically.
India Labour Report 2012 It is a report compiled by TeamLease Services & Indian
Institute of Job Training (IIJT). According to the report enrollment in higher education in India
surged to 15.3 million up from 1 lakh in 1947. However, 58% of Indias graduates have some
degree of unemployability and they lack formal on-the-job exposure.
National Employability Report Engineering Graduates, 2011 This report was

released by Aspiring Minds, one of the leading employability measurement companies in
India. They conducted a study specific to Engineering graduates which revealed that out of
five lakh engineers India produce annually, only 87,250 (17.45%) are employable for IT
services sector; only 13,400 (2.68%) are employable for IT product sector, only 46,100
(9.22%) are employable for KPO sector etc. According to the study the increase in number of
colleges is directly impacting the percentage of employable graduates every year. The report
concluded saying improving the quality of education in the existing colleges is the need of
hour.
World Bank Survey According to a 2009 survey jointly carried out by the World Bank
and Federation of Indian Chambers of Commerce and Industry (FICCI), 64% of surveyed
employers are somewhat, not very, or not at all satisfied with the quality of engineering
graduates and their job skills and only 36% are satisfied with the employability of graduates.
World Bank Director Education Elizabeth M King - In one of the summits she says
though India is enrolling more number of students every year, the quality of education is still
poor. She further says that even the best institutes like IITs and IIMs are not as good as
MITs in terms of quality of education.
McKinsey Global Institute Survey A survey in 2007 conducted by McKinsey says, of

the 3,60,000 engineering graduates India produce only 25% are employable. Further of the
6,00,000 arts/science/commerce graduates only 10% are employable. Also of the 5,000
candidates that register for Ph.Ds in science and engineering every year only 100 people
with complete it successfully.
These data are enough to say that it is not unemployment but unemployability which is making our
graduates jobless. So, understand the reality and make yourself and everyone you know who may
seek a job in future employable instead of getting a degree.
P Ravi Shankar
May 5, 2013 at 9:05 PM
The above observation is partially correct, not in totality.The observation has 2 aspects: One is that engineering
students coming out of colleges have poor employability skills.The other aspect is whether as many jobs as the
number of graduates passing out of colleges are there or not. The second aspect is not the subject of my comment
here.
It is right to say that the Students are unemployable because they do not possess the skills that are needed by the
industry. This not just technical skills but a whole lot of other skills Integrity, Reliability, Team Skills and so on [refer
ABET Report on Engineering Change EC2000). For this US has adopted Outcome Based Education from 2000, UK
from 2010 and India has mandated it for NBA Certification since Jan 2013. If we hasten this process and get colleges
to adopt this, then this problem will be largely addressed from the process perspective. NBA has published guidelines
for this change.
Why Todays Graduates are Not Finding Jobs?
In our earlier article, we have seen what industry reports and eminent personalities had to say about
todays graduates. Clearly, it is not the lack of jobs; it is the lack of employability.
In this article, we tried to figure out various reasons for unemployability of todays graduates. One of
the main reasons that left many graduates unemployable is the mismatch between the education
system and the industry needs.
Education today has become a multi-billion industry; colleges are focused on awarding degrees and
making money. Too many private colleges (mostly professional degree colleges) have come up in
the last few years. The physical infrastructure is there (mostly for class rooms), but quality of
teaching is not there.
Some of the issues with the current academic system are:
Impractical syllabus Todays academic system is focusing more on theoretical

knowledge, not on application of principles. A biology student even after passing
intermediate, will not know how to put a tree in a pot, leave growing it. The syllabus is so
impractical that it never helps students in being able to do real work.
Competition in education business for ranks Schools are focused on getting ranks,
not on imparting quality education. Students are made to learn by rote. Even though they
dont know how to apply it practically, they memorize it thoroughly without understanding
anything.
Preparation of question papers from guides available in the market Forget

about text books and reference books, students can easily pass their exams by memorising
some questions from guides available in the market. You check with any engineering student
in AP, he will have a All in One guide from one specific publisher. All questions come from
this guide alone. The question will come as it is from the guide, they dont even modify it!
You can see how degraded the standards of our academics is.
Lenient correction/liberal award of marks To pass students, particularly in

engineering colleges, the evaluators are very lenient while evaluating the answer paper.
They do it to get a good overall percentage in passed students.
Its not only the policy makers who are to be blamed, it is also the graduates who are just
focused on getting a degree, not bothered about gaining practical knowledge to do the job
well.
English language skills Many of todays graduates are struggling with English They are
unable to write even a small paragraph without spelling and grammar errors. A recent survey
by Aspiring Minds says that around half of todays engineers have grammar skills no better
than 7th class students. Aware of the situation, IIT Mumbai has made it compulsory for
aspiring students to pass English proficiency test before 1stsemester classes.
No computer skills Nowadays, having basic computer skills is very important to get/do a
job. Unlike earlier when computers and Internet were expensive, almost everybody has
relatively easy access to a computer and Internet. Still, many of the students neglect to learn
computer/Internet skills.
Not interested in hard working It is only through hard work, that one can achieve
success in life. But, graduates do not realise the importance of hard work. Due to easy
corrections and liberal awards of ranks, it was easy for them to get good percentages and
degrees. It was easy for them while studying. They are expecting life at workplace also to be
easy.
Inability to apply subject knowledge in real life situations Most of the graduates
today have degrees, but no practical knowledge to apply in real life situations. All the
concepts, subjects and formulae are memorised before exams without understanding. They
can do work only when someone is continuously behind them to tell them what to do and
how to do.
Cannot work for 8 hours a day Management gurus say that it takes around 10k
working hours to be a master any field and freshers should cover 3k working hours in the first
year itself. Forget about working 3k working hours, todays graduates are struggling to finish
the minimum working hours. They often come up with reasons not to work full time. Even if
they work for 8 hours, they do it passively; they think they are doing a great favour to the
employer. The zeal to finish the work today is missing in them.
Lack of big picture mind-set Many graduates dont think in a broader way, their focus
is too narrow and expect everything to be explained in detail; they expect everything to be
spoon feed. They are interested to do more of low end jobs that involve repetitive things and
hourly follow up by bosses. They are neither capable nor are interested in critical thinking.
Pro-actively take ownership of the given assignments Many of the young

graduates are reluctant to work from their heart. They dont want to take ownership and give
their 100% effort, time and commitment to the assignment. The energy/enthusiasm to do
good work independently is missing.
Inability to work without or less supervision They require constant guidance or

supervision to complete the given task or work. They find it difficult to work without any
supervision. They expect their team leader/manager to tell how to do each and every task.
They are focussed on chit chatting/gossiping, when the boss is not there.
Focus on earning, not on learning/span> When they get a job, they dont want to put
an extra effort in brushing up their skills and neither are they eager to learn something
practical from the work environment. All they focus on is how much they are earning. They
dont compare their job role with their friends, they compare their pay package.
No fair system Most of our graduates/new job holders do not think from the employers
point of view or the customers point of view. They think the employer is trying to extract
something from them. They dont do the math and see how much economic value addition
they are doing to the company. They dont even think it is important to add value to
employers.
In addition, to all these, they have unreasonable expectations they want a good salary, more
privileges, quick promotion, etc. They want all these without doing any service to the customer or
their employer.
For many, these points may look surprising, but almost every young graduate today has these things
in common. One thing we need to understand is many MNCs come to India assuming there is a
huge talent pool. Once they are aware of these unemployable attributes, they will surely look for
another country where they can get good, talented and hardworking people.
Note: Its not that we trying to be harsh on students and repeatedly saying they are unemployable.
We want our graduates to face the reality and prepare themselves properly to do well in their career.
In our next article, we will come up on some insightful information that will help graduates know how
to become employable.
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Does a Gloomy Future Awaits Most Engineering Graduates?
Tips for Freshers to Build Skills to Get Employable
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Tips for Freshers to Build Skills to Get Employable

In our earlier articles we discussed on todays unemployable graduates and why they are considered
unemployable. Our intention in those articles wasnt to discourage todays graduates by saying they
do not have what it takes to do a good job. But we want them to face the reality that they are not
ready for a job and they should learn how to become employable.
Todays graduates are not striving hard to be ready to perform well in their job. Due to which
employers are highly disappointed with the graduates. In such a scenario, if you are a fresher and
looking for a job, it is imperative for you to take a proactive approach to transform yourself from
unemployable to employable to get a good job and to succeed in your career.
What is Employability?
Having a set of skills, knowledge and personal attributes makes a graduate more likely to perform on
his job and be successful in his chosen career. Employability of individuals often depends of the
Attitudes, Skills and Knowledge (ASK) they possess and the graduates ability to use them
effectively.
What skills make you employable?
Skills that help you in performing well in the workplace are willingness to learn, self-management,
thinking and problem solving, working together, communication, motivation, commitment, etc. These
skills are not only important to get a job, but also to retain it (that is avoiding getting fired).
How to improve your employability Transforming from unemployable to employable
Having a degree is not just enough Degree is just a door to employment opportunities,
but employers are looking for more than just a degree. Employers want to hire candidates
who can actually do their job well.
Assess your employability skills Make a note of your skills, qualities, interests, strengths,
weaknesses, opportunities, things that energize you and above all, what do you have to offer
an employer.
Know what employers are looking for Besides your degrees and technical skills,
employers require you to demonstrate your ability to perform on the real job. Apart from your
subjects, you can learn things like typing, basic computer skills, and all that can help you do
your job easily and quickly.
Find out about the real job Talk to your friend or relative who works in a professional
company and try to find out how they work and what is expected from freshers.
Pursue employability attributes - Knowledge (what do you know), skills (what can you do
with what you know) and abilities/attitudes (how you do it).
Be proactive Dont wait for someone (college/university) to make you ready, take initiative
and responsibility to develop your ability to perform on real job.
Keep yourself busy Better do some part-time job or apply for internship, this will keep you
busy and also youll gain some experience. It helps you to practice all the theory you learned
in your school/college. It also helps you to develop a positive work ethic and shows that you
are serious about the job.
Have realistic expectations Your degree will not decide your compensation, but your
performance will. See what others are getting in the industry. How are your skills compared
to them? You are untested whereas those with jobs already have practical experience. Find
out what their starting salary was when they started, instead of current salary. Some discount
is necessary to get the deal.
Ignorance leads to no job Today, many of the freshers are living in their own dream world.
They think they will get a job as soon as they finish their graduation. They mostly interact with other
people (who are also unemployed) and have a wrong perception on job market. So dont be
ignorant, face the facts, overcome the challenges and learn to become employable.

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