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p r o c e s s t h a t c a r r i e d t h r o u g h all p h a s e s
a n d is s i m i l a r - e v e n if it's c o m p r e s s e d
of t h e p r o j e c t . B u t y o u ' r e p r o b a b l y
right:
into a s h o r t e r t i m e s p a n , t w o y e a r s f r o m
c o m p e t i t i o n to b u i l d i n g d e d i c a t i o n .
in t h e w o r k s h o p w i t h t h e e n g i n e e r s , w e r e
C o u n t l e s s 1:1 m o d e l s , w h i c h f e d b a c k
p r e m i s e , n o t y e t a r e s u l t . It's t h e r e t h a t
b e a r w i t n e s s to t h i s p r o c e s s .
t h e p h y s i c a l t r a n s l a t i o n of i d e a s a n d t h e
m a t e r i a l d e v e l o p m e n t s t o o k p l a c e . For
N i k o l a u s H i r s c h If w e ' r e g o i n g to h a v e
a d i a l o g u e o n o u r p r o j e c t in H i n z e r t , w e
t h i s i m p l i e s f i r s t of all a n e a r i y r e c k o n i n g
n e e d t o a s k o u r s e l v e s : is it a n a t t e m p t at
with materials.
Material
N H From the outset w e w e r e looking for
a c e r t a i n r o b u s t n e s s , f o r a b u i l d i n g in
w h i c h fagade and structure were one.
p o s t - r a t i o n a l i s a t i o n ? A n d is it in f a c t
possible to post-rationalise this project?
S o t h e r e w a s to b e n o c l a d d i n g , n o t h i n g
If it isn't, s h o u l d w e s e e t h i s a s a
l i n e a r m o d e l of p h a s e d d e v e l o p m e n t .
applied.
p r o b l e m , or rather as a s p e c i f i c
T h e m a i n d e t a i l s a r o s e not at the e n d of
c o n s e q u e n c e o f o u r w a y of w o r k i n g ?
W L Then w e d e c i d e d to introduce a
T h i s is e s s e n t i a l l y a n i t e r a t i v e p r o c e s s ,
T h e m a t e r i a l a n d its t e c t o n i c s w e r e
a l r e a d y p a r t of t h e p r o j e c t f r o m t h e
t h e s e c o n d a r y f o r m . In r e t r o s p e c t , t h i s
w a s a key m o m e n t . Together t h e s e t w o
m a t e r i a l c a r r i e s t h e c o n c e p t . If y o u t h i n k
o n several s c a l e s a n d levels, e v e n t u a l l y
of t h e r e s e a r c h w e d i d i n t o t h e t e x t i l e
system...
l e a d i n g to a s p e c i f i c m a t e r i a l s t r a t e g y .
u s e d f o r o u r s y n a g o g u e in D r e s d e n . . . .
W o l f g a n g L o r c h I w o u l d say there w a s a
W L It t o o k u s n e a r l y t w o y e a r s ,
a l l o w e d t h e b u i l d i n g to initiate a p r o c e s s
p r o c e e d i n g in s m a l l s t e p s , w i t h m a n y
of p e r c e p t i o n .
t h a t c a n b e r e c o n s t r u c t e d . It w a s a n
w r o n g t u r n s a l o n g t h e way, to f i n d t h e
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i n t e g r a t e f l u s h windows
a n d d o o r s into
N H B u t a s t h e last l i v i n g w i t n e s s e s a r e
the material c o n c e p t .
p a s s i n g a w a y , a p a r a d i g m s h i f t is t a k i n g
c o l l e c t i n g a n d e x h i b i t i n g of d o c u m e n t s .
p l a c e : a m o v e f r o m o r a l h i s t o r y to t h e
p r o d u c t c a t a l o g u e s w o u l d n ' t have g o t us
v e r y far. T h i s w a s e s p e c i a l l y t r u e o f t h e
W L B e s i d e s its f u n c t i o n a s a p l a c e f o r
w i n d o w details w e d e v e l o p e d . We went
s e m i n a r s , t h i s is p r i m a r i l y a b u i l d i n g f o r
e x h i b i t i n g d o c u m e n t s . A s s u c h , it's a
f i n a l l y a b l e to f u s e t h e c r i t e r i a of f l u s h -
u p c o m p l e t e l y to t h e l a n d s c a p e o n t h e
p h o t o g r a p h y to t h e c o n t e m p o r a r y
r e q u i r e m e n t s of t h e p r o j e c t .
perspective.
N H I w o u l d like to g o b a c k t o t h e
connection between the l a n d s c a p e and
the material s t r a t e g y W h y C o r t e n steel?
A n important reason w a s the coloration
a n d s u r i ' a c e t e x t u r e of C o r t e n : w e w a n t e d
to d e v e l o p s o m e t h i n g t h a t w o u l d
c o m p l e m e n t t h e g r e e n l a n d s c a p e in
s u m m e r b u t b l e n d in, t o n e o n t o n e , in
winter. To a c h i e v e t h i s w e e x p e r i m e n t e d
with suri'ace textures. We didn't leave the
m a t e r i a l e x a c t l y a s it w a s , b u t p u s h e d t h e
suri'ace treatment o n e s t e p further
N H This d e f i n e d the position of the
W L So the l a r g e - s c a l e p r e f a b r i c a t e d
b u i l d i n g in t h e l a n d s c a p e , b u t I'm a l s o
s e g m e n t s w e r e t r a n s p o r t e d to t h e
i n t e r e s t e d in a n o t h e r a s p e c t , w h i c h is
n e w to o u r w o r k : t h e s h i f t f r o m c i t y to
c o u n t r y s i d e . In f a c t t h i s p r o j e c t is t h e f i r s t
N H ... a n d b e c a u s e w e ' d g o t t h e n u m b e r
of s e g m e n t s d o w n to a d o z e n , the
c o n s t r u c t i o n p e r i o d w a s kept to a
c o m p l e x i t y of an u r b a n c o n t e x t . O n e
minimum.
m i g h t a s k o n e s e l f ; w h y is t h e b u i l d i n g s o
introverted?
d e t e r m i n e a d e s i g n to a c e r t a i n e x t e n t - I
d a y s . T h e b u i l d i n g b y this s t a g e h a d t h e
w o u l d s a y in a w h o l l y p o s i t i v e s e n s e - in
t y p i c a l c h a r a c t e r of a C o r t e n
c o n s t r u c t i o n . Finally, g u i d e d b y o u r 1:1
restrictions w h i c h w e as architects c a n
s e g m e n t s in w o r l < s h o p ; a e r i a l
W L in t h e c i t y t h e b o u n d a r i e s o f t h e s i t e
a n d u n i f o r m l y o x i d i s e d , all w i t h i n a f e w
N H In t h o s e c a s e s o n e is p a r t l y w o r k i n g
f r o m t h e o u t s i d e - t h a t is, f r o m t h e
segments
Place
N H W h a t is a p l a c e ? A n d w h a t i n f l u e n c e
In H i n z e r t , o n t h e o t h e r h a n d , it w a s t h e
d o e s it h a v e o n a n a r c h i t e c t u r a l s t r a t e g y ?
At Hinzert, w h a t c o u l d b e d e s c r i b e d as
t h e p l a c e of o u r b u i l d i n g c a n o n l y p a r t l y
d e v e l o p e d a series of 'pockets'
b e u n d e r s t o o d in t e r m s o f t h e v i s i b l e .
W L T h e l a n d s c a p e at H i n z e r t is q u i t e
v o l u m e o u t w a r d s into the l a n d s c a p e .
i d y l l i c , c h a r a c t e r i s e d b y r o l l i n g hills a n d
f i e l d s . T h e r e is n o o u t w a r d i n d i c a t i o n to
Geometry
s u g g e s t that b e t w e e n 1 9 3 9 a n d 1 9 4 5 this
w a s t h e site o f a c a m p for p o l i t i c a l
g e o m e t r y c a n only b e d e s c r i b e d precisely
t h r o u g h c o o r d i n a t e s , a n d yet at the s a m e
t i m e it i n t r o d u c e s a c e r t a i n i m p r e c i s i o n
into t h e p e r c e p t i o n of the b u i l d i n g .
T h e c o n t o u r lines b e c o m e unclean
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i n t e g r a t e f l u s h w i n d o w s a n d d o o r s into
the material c o n c e p t .
N H B u t a s t h e last l i v i n g w i t n e s s e s a r e
N H A n i m p o r t a n t d e t e r m i n a n t of t h e
Credits
p a s s i n g a w a y , a p a r a d i g m s h i f t is t a k i n g
i n e r t i a of a m o n o l i t h i c f a g a d e . A n d it's t h e
Architects
the u n r e l e n t i n g p r e c i s i o n of the c o m p u t e r
s a m e in H i n z e r t . . .
t h e c a t e g o r i e s of o r i g i n a l a n d
p l a c e : a m o v e f r o m o r a l h i s t o r y to t h e
c o l l e c t i n g a n d e x h i b i t i n g of d o c u m e n t s .
a n d its p a r a m e t e r s o n t h e o n e h a n d , a n d
W L B e s i d e s its f u n c t i o n a s a p l a c e f o r
w i n d o w details w e d e v e l o p e d . We went
s e m i n a r s , this is p r i m a r i l y a b u i l d i n g for
e x h i b i t i n g d o c u m e n t s . A s s u c h , it's a
f i n a l l y a b l e to f u s e t h e c r i t e r i a o f f l u s h -
u p c o m p l e t e l y to t h e l a n d s c a p e o n t h e
between
Project
team
Nikolaus Hirsch
intuition, c o n s t a n t a c c o m m o d a t i o n a n d
N H ... w h e r e t h e s i t e is p r i m a r i l y d e f i n e d
f o r m u l a t e d in f u n d a m e n t a l l y d i f f e r e n t
a d a p t a t i o n o n t h e other. In t h i s r e s p e c t
b y its d i s t a n c e f r o m e x i s t i n g
o u r a i m w a s a l s o to d e v e l o p a b u i l d i n g
Christine Biesel
that w o u l d e v a d e an overly s i m p l e
T h e i s s u e h e r e is a u t o n o m y
o b j e c t s - a r e p r o t e c t e d b y g l a s s , to
Alexander
c o n s e r v e t h e m , a n d so are d e f i n e d by a
Dirk L a n g
W L In c o n c r e t e t e r m s t h i s m e a n s t h a t w e
logic of d e p t h . T h e p h o t o g r a p h i c
Structural
reading.
Wolfgang
Loroh
Andrea Wandel
Keuper
engineer
Schweitzer
Ingenieure
W L ... A n d a l o n g w i t h it a n o v e r i y s i m p l e ,
m a k e u s e of the existing c o n d i t i o n s of
c a u s a l c o n n e c t i o n to d e s i g n decisions.
t h e s i t e . For e x a m p l e , f o r t h e air-
p h o t o g r a p h y to t h e c o n t e m p o r a r y
W h i c h b r i n g s u s b a c k to t h e t h e m e o f
c o n d i t i o n i n g , c o o l air is b r o u g h t t h r o u g h
Service
a l o n g h o r i z o n t a l u n d e r g r o u n d c h a n n e l to
L B B T r i e r / I G Tech
or that kink w h e r e w e d i d ?
s h e l l . T h e o v e r a l l i m p r e s s i o n is o f a
Project
L B B Trier/ Brigitte C o e n
r e q u i r e m e n t s of t h e p r o j e c t .
perspective.
s p a c e . T h e h e a t i n g a n d c o o l i n g of t h e
s p a c e f u s e d w i t h i n f o r m a t i o n - all o v e r
b u i l d i n g is a c h i e v e d b y e x p l o i t i n g t h e
similar to a fresco.
g e o t h e r m a l c o n d i t i o n s of t h e site.
N H I w o u l d like to g o b a c k t o t h e
connection b e t w e e n the l a n d s c a p e a n d
the material strategy. W h y C o r t e n steel?
translation of p r o g r a m m e into g e o m e t r y
a n d s u r f a c e texture of C o r t e n : w e w a n t e d
engineers
management
Graphic
design
A d e Hauser
Lacour/
Matthias Griich
Nicole Klein
Interior
C//enf
There were a c c o m m o d a t i o n s a n d
to d e v e l o p s o m e t h i n g that w o u l d
architects
Laurent Lacour
e n v e l o p e a r e n o t t h e r e s u l t o f a 1:1
Landscape
Land Rheinland-Pfalz /
a p p r o x i m a t i o n s , w h i c h left r o o m for
W L T h e m a i n r o o m in t h e i n t e r i o r o f t h e
i n t u i t i o n . It w a s m o r e a s e a r c h p r o c e s s .
D o c u m e n t C e n t r e p o s e d a real
t y p o l o g i c a l v i e w p o i n t : it's a m i x o f
m a t e r i a l e x a c t l y a s it w a s , b u t p u s h e d t h e
o f a r c h i t e c t u r e t h a t c a n b e e x p r e s s e d in
e x h i b i t i o n s p a c e a n d a r c h i v e . In o n e
Norbert Mlguletz
t e r m s of an e q u a t i o n .
s e n s e o u r a p p r o a c h w a s to link t h e t w o
Article
c o m p l e m e n t t h e g r e e n l a n d s c a p e in
s u m m e r b u t b l e n d i n , t o n e o n t o n e , in
Hermann
w i n t e r To a c h i e v e t h i s w e e x p e r i m e n t e d
W L So the l a r g e - s c a l e p r e f a b r i c a t e d
b u i l d i n g in t h e l a n d s c a p e , b u t I'm a l s o
p r o v i d i n g o n the o n e h a n d for m u s e u m
s e g m e n t s w e r e t r a n s p o r t e d to the
i n t e r e s t e d in a n o t h e r a s p e c t , w h i c h is
t h i n g s to a f o r m u l a . In t h i s r e s p e c t , w e
n e w to o u r w o r k : t h e s h i f t f r o m c i t y to
a c k n o w l e d g e s o m e t h i n g like d e c i s i o n .
a n d s c h o l a r s w h o n e e d a c c e s s to the
m a t e r i a l f o r l o n g e r p e r i o d s o f t i m e . For
W L T h e t e c h n i q u e of p r i n t i n g straight
Environment
o n t o w o o d n a t u r a l l y s o u n d s e a s i e r t h a n it
d e v e l o p e d a l l o w s for d i f f e r e n t l e v e l s o f
a c t u a l l y is. T h e r e l a t i o n b e t w e e n t h e
immersion.
N H T h e d e e p e n i n g i m m e r s i o n in t h e
t o l e r a n c e s , w a s t e s t e d in n u m e r o u s 1:1
b u i l d i n g site a n d a s s e m b l e d t h e r e . . .
c o u n t r y s i d e . In f a c t t h i s p r o j e c t is t h e f i r s t
N H ... a n d b e c a u s e w e ' d g o t t h e n u m b e r
o n e w e ' v e d o n e t h a t h a s not b e e n
of s e g m e n t s d o w n to a d o z e n , the
c o n s t r u c t i o n p e r i o d w a s k e p t to a
c o m p l e x i t y of a n u r b a n c o n t e x t . O n e
N H A b u i l d i n g in t h e m i d d l e of t h e
minimum.
m i g h t a s k o n e s e l f : w h y is t h e b u i l d i n g s o
l a n d s c a p e . This p r o m p t s t h o u g h t s of
introverted?
e c o l o g y or e n v i r o n m e n t .
e x h i b i t s a n d d a t a is t r a n s l a t e d v e r y
t r e a t e d : first w e l d e d , t h e n s a n d b l a s t e d
W L In t h e c i t y t h e b o u n d a r i e s of t h e s i t e
W L T h e r e is a k i n d o f e n v i r o n m e n t a l
d i r e c t l y into s p a t i a l t e r m s . T h e a r c h i v e
c h a r a c t e r i s t i c s of t h e t w o p h e n o m e n a , to
a n d u n i f o r m l y o x i d i s e d , all w i t h i n a f e w
d e t e r m i n e a d e s i g n to a c e r t a i n e x t e n t - I
a g e n d a a t t a c h e d to this p r o j e c t w h i c h
d a y s . T h e b u i l d i n g by this s t a g e h a d t h e
w o u l d s a y in a w h o l l y p o s i t i v e s e n s e - in
o u t w a r d s f r o m t h e m a i n r o o m like c a r r e l s
the g r a i n y c h a r a c t e r i s t i c s of t i m b e r b u t
t y p i c a l c h a r a c t e r of a C o r t e n
e c o l o g i c a l c o n s c i e n c e b u t into a s p e c i f i c
- a n d in t h e p r o c e s s c o n t r i b u t e t o a
s o l u t i o n for a n a u t o n o m o u s , f r e e s t a n d i n g
f u r t h e r g e o m e t r i c a l d i s t o r t i o n of t h e
building shell.
c o n s t r u c t i o n . Finally, g u i d e d b y o u r 1:1
restrictions w h i c h w e as architects c a n
t e s t s , w e w i l l a p p l y a c o a t i n g of h o t
N H In t h o s e c a s e s o n e is p a r t l y w o r k i n g
f r o m t h e o u t s i d e - t h a t is, f r o m t h e
Place
e a c h p l a c e . W e d i d t h i s for t h e
o u t w a r d s in s p e c i f i c w a y s , t h e i r g e o m e t r y
s y n a g o g u e in D r e s d e n , w h e r e w e
In H i n z e r t , o n t h e o t h e r h a n d , it w a s t h e
N H W h a t is a p l a c e ? A n d w h a t i n f l u e n c e
m a t e r i a l , w i t h its v a r i e d t e x t u r e s a n d
a p p r o a c h e s a r e a p p l i c a b l e to e v e r y
p a r a f f i n , to g i v e t h e s u r i ' a c e m o r e d e p t h
and a certain reflection.
Translator
Pamela Johnston
d i f f e r e n t user s t r u c t u r e s of the b u i l d i n g ,
Mller
Landeszentrale fr Polltische
d o e s it h a v e o n a n a r c h i t e c t u r a l s t r a t e g y ?
A t Hinzert, w h a t c o u l d be d e s c r i b e d as
the p l a c e of o u r b u i l d i n g c a n only p a r t l y
d e v e l o p e d a s e r i e s of ' p o c k e t s '
b e u n d e r s t o o d in t e r m s o f t h e v i s i b l e .
W L T h e l a n d s c a p e at H i n z e r t is q u i t e
v o l u m e o u t w a r d s into t h e l a n d s c a p e .
i d y l l i c , c h a r a c t e r i s e d b y r o l l i n g hills a n d
f i e l d s . T h e r e is n o o u t w a r d i n d i c a t i o n to
N H T h e s p a c e is p r i n t e d o n all s i d e s b u t
From t o p : M o c k - u p of
it h a s a d i r e c t i o n a l i t y , a s t h e s i d e t o w a r d s
shell, print on p l y w o o d ,
t h e v a l l e y is f o r m e d n o t of t i m b e r b u t o f
Geometry
s u g g e s t that b e t w e e n 1 9 3 9 a n d 1 9 4 5 this
w a s t h e s i t e o f a c a m p for p o l i t i c a l
d r a w i n g s a g e o m e t r y b a s e d on the
T h e D o c u m e n t C e n t r e c a n n o t a t t e m p t or
p r i m a r y f o r m a n d t h e s t r u c t u r a l f o r m . This
g e o m e t r y c a n only b e d e s c r i b e d precisely
o f t h e c a m p t h a t is p r i n t e d o n t o t h e g l a s s
f a g a d e . The historical v i e w lines u p
exactly with the present building, a
t h r o u g h c o o r d i n a t e s , a n d y e t at t h e s a m e
d i s s o l v i n g of p a s t a n d p r e s e n t t h a t f i x e s
t i m e it i n t r o d u c e s a c e r t a i n i m p r e c i s i o n
t h e p o s i t i o n o f t h e b u i l d i n g in t h e
into t h e p e r c e p t i o n o f t h e b u i l d i n g .
landscape.
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archive; Interior p e r s p e c t i v e ,
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exterior geometries