Gas flow rate

Gas Specific gravity

Gas inlet temperature
Operating Pressure
Gas density
Comperssibility
Gas mass flow
Actual gas flow
Volumetric Liquid flow
Liquid density
Liquid Mass flowrate
Tray Spacing
Weir Height
chart factor
Chart Vapour rate
Chart liquid rate
Density difference
Y factor
K factor
Estimated tower size
Design GPM / ft2
Downcomer area
Downcomer width
Chord length
Maximum Weir length

65.3
0.62
-66.5
405.3
2.125
0.8056
128769.8
16.83265
968
30.28
235099.7
22
2.5
1.090909
18.36289
1056
28.155
5.4
99.15961
84
168
6.285714
19
5.75
150.8571

MMSCFD

Tower area (AT)

Downcomer area (A1)
Area Under inlet downcomer (A2)
Distance b/w two weirs
R
Edge loss (A3)
Net capped area
Capacity factor
Weir flow rate

38.465
6.285714
3.771429
46
3
2.108333
26.29952
0.19182
183.6522

sq.ft
sq.ft
sq.ft
inch
inch
sq.ft
sq.ft

deg F
Psig
lb/ft3
lb/hr
ft3/sec
GPM
lb/ft3
lb/hr
inch
inch
ACFS
GPM
lb/ft3

inch
sq.ft
inch
ft

GPM/ft

Gas flow rate

Gas Specific gravity
Gas inlet temperature
Operating Pressure
Gas density
Comperssibility
Gas mass flow
Actual gas flow
Volumetric Liquid flow
Liquid density
Liquid Mass flowrate
Tray Spacing
Weir Height
chart factor
Chart Vapour rate
Chart liquid rate
Density difference
Y factor
K factor
Estimated tower size
Design GPM / ft2 (VD*)
System factor
VD
Vapour capacity factor CAFo
CAF
Assumed Dia
FPL
AAM
ADM
ATM (1)
ATM(2)
DT

6.5
0.708664
-105
340
2.125
0.8056
14650.85
1.915144
968
30.28
235099.7
24
2.5
1
1.915144
968
28.155
5.4
10.34178
84
195
0.950672
185.381
0.42
0.399282
10
45
12.40513
6.5271
25.45933
7.686649
5.693483

MMSCFD
deg F
Psig
lb/ft3
lb/hr
ft3/sec
GPM
lb/ft3
lb/hr
inch
inch
ACFS
GPM
lb/ft3

inch

ojtaba et al

i think there is a degree of confusion and lack of understanding as to how the DP utility works in hysys/unisim
overall method and results
1. specify the size of the vessel under fire
2. feed specify the stream and vol of liquid in the vessel , at NLL, HLL depending on your criteria
3. choose the fire equation to use , API empirical, analytical (SBoltzmann), user defined.
4. set the PSV pressures,opening, set,closing,reseating.
5. guess (estimate) a PSV orifice size
6. run the utility and look at the plot of pressure,temp, flow vs time.
8. the curves will show you how long it takes before teh PSV opens ( can be many minutes) and also the rise
7.
the objective
issize
of course
to calculate
an orifice
to prevent
the calc.
vessel
pressure
rising
iterate
on orifice
tothe
match
Pmax=121%set
so size
its asufficient
trial
iiterative
thethe
"old"
days above
this at
wa
9. you now
have to
run
utility
again with a standard
size and
PSVerror
diameter
in order
toinget
parameters
minutes
rerunning
you find
thesize
ori diam
meetsorifice
the criteria.
is the (minimum
required
flare
system
. so foruntil
example
if you
a minthat
required
area ofthis
485mm2
which ondiam
the hysys
plotfor
willt
rerun
with
an H orifice
at size
506mm2
in order to see
the not
realreach
peak 121%
flow conditions.
with this
standard
orifice
the accumulation
P will
set as the valve is larger. the dynamic
10. if you calculate a required orifice of 507mm2 then on paper an H orifice is too small, or is it? all it means
reach max flow and time to closing.
higher that 121% Pset for a second or two. this isi the benefit of doing dynamic simulations , you can see tra
the
flow into
conditions
are applicable
to theaHredesign
orifice you
have selected.
and peak
put them
perspective
as to whether
is required.
eg bP on a conventional PSV is calculate
so ?so
what
consequeces
of this.. DYOR
11.
the are
DP the
utility
and your engineering
experience will correctly size the required PSV size needed to mee
parameters for the PSV data sheet and flow into teh flare system.

12.
last bit
... is inherently a dynamic beast and so if you are modelling PSV's this way you should also be lo
flare
relief
manyand
many
fire PSV's will never open under fire as the vessel will fail first due to high temp vs stress rupture
to compliment
theflow,
study
hrs
to reach peak
byproperly.
that time the vessel will have ruptured. however fire Psv's have to be sized to theo
industry
codes.
since PSV's open with varying delays depending on vessel size and contents all the PSV's in a single fire zone
the zone will not be a simple summation of all teh peak flow conditions
dynamic sim of the system will reveal this and in cases teh load will only be 40,50 or 60% of the summation.
a lengthly friday afternoon rambling sorry, but i hope it clears up a lot of the points above

Saeed
Process Discipline Head at Rahbord Energy Eng.Co.
Brian, Thanks for your useful & effective discussion.

In item-4: closing,re-seating pressure is not found in DP utility. For the outlet valve PSV is selected, and the s
available in the menu.
Another issue: Is it right to use the calculated flow rate by HYSYS in PSV datasheet?

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Brian

Brian Marshall

Managing Director at Softbits Consultants

Saeed
thank
you
for your
, nice
to knowpressure
you found
useful
you
can
access
themessage
closing and
reseating
for itteh
PSV by going into the DP utility flowsheet and click
hysteresis
and
can
input
the
2
pressures.
Its
a
shame
its
buried
in here
as PSV/DP
opposedutility
to upfront
in the
main
DP
I have made a spreadsheet in which i pull all the variables relevant
to the
into one
view
. from
utility and see the results on the same view.

as to whether you can use the hysys data in a data sheet ... sure you can , all the parameters calculated at p
do correct me if you disagree anyone :-)