Guest8573: hey all

higher: hi
higher: whats on your mind guest
MSP: its not about being miserable, as im not, but theres only so much you can f
eel and so on before you feel finished
jack: maybe MSP. but maybe being 20 is like someone who's only ever eaten at McD
onalds their whole life. they've had everything on the menu. they're sick of it
jack: and then later you discover a chinese restaurant and you're like "whaaaat?
"
higher: lol jack
higher: i like ya buddy
jack: ha. i like you too.
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Guest8573: Hey all
Guest8573: i got some questions
jack: hey. we do too.
Guest8573: whats yours
MSP: nah, i think the soul just tires after a while, feels full and doesnt care
for chinese food nor mcdonalds
Guest8573: mine is
Guest8573: whats the meaning of our life?
Guest8573: what do we live for?
jack: ooo. those are the big ones.
Guest8573: should we just enjoy from life
jack: what have you got so far ?
Guest8573: and have fun
Guest8573: ?
Guest8573: well
Guest8573: if god exist
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Guest8573: i believe there is a destiny or vocation to every person
Guest8573: which he should achieve
MSP: yea, just enjoy yrself and dont be a ... to people and yr good
Guest8573: i mean
Guest8573: the hardest thing for me is
Guest8573: ethiques
Guest8573: i mean
Guest8573: who Says whats allowed and whats not
jack: well. in your case... "if there's a God"... then he would, right ?
Guest8573: is it fine to steal from people stuff?
Guest8573: Yeah
Guest8573: i mean
Guest8573: im not stealing stuff and cheating at stuff because of god
Guest8573: if i would know that god isnt exist
Guest8573: i would be more selfish and manupulative
Guest8573: i can use weakness of weak people
Guest8573: to my favor
Guest8573: another thing
Guest8573: is
jack: and you would do that more, if you knew God didn't exist ?
Guest8573: yeah
Guest8573: sure
Guest8573: i mean
jack: but you're not sure if he does, so you hold off a bit for now ?
Guest8573: people die everyday , animals killed and all this stuff
Guest8573: inoccent people get cancer
Guest8573: etc
Guest8573: there is no justice
jack: yeah, its crazy out there
Guest8573: so whats bad with stealing
Guest8573: well
Guest8573: i hope he is exist
jack: you tell me what's bad with stealing.
jack: i bet you already know.
Guest8573: i mean
Guest8573: its bad for society
Guest8573: but good for me
Guest8573: and scamming
Guest8573: if god exist
Guest8573: i wont do that
Guest8573: and i believe he does
Guest8573: we are not a random shit in the universe
jack: what's wrong with being "random shit" ?
Guest8573: life are so amazing and incredible
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Guest8573: its not bad but i dont understand we are made of nothing
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Guest8573: its looks like we are designed by some one
Guest8573: but i read alot about it
Guest8573: even if god exist we cant prove it or disapprove it
Guest8573: cuz we are too stupid for that
jack: yeah. the bible uses the pottery made by a potter analogy
Guest8573: and religion is a joke
Guest8573: SO Many religions
Guest8573: and stuff
Guest8573: i mean
Guest8573: 100% most of them are wrong
Guest8573: if not
Guest8573: all of them does
Guest8573: and people waste their life for praying to air
jack: what's wrong with praying to air ?
Guest8573: waste of time
Guest8573: waste of life
jack: how should you spend your time then ?
Guest8573: enjoy with friends , food , sleep , love , hobbys , swimming travelin
g
Guest8573: playing games
Guest8573: girls
jack: but what if i like praying ?
Guest8573: no body like praying
Guest8573: i mean
jack: hah !
jack: that's a good answer
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Guest8573: if i will convince some1 that god isnt exist
Guest8573: he wont pray
jack: but yeah, some folks like praying a lot
Guest8573: if u dont believe in god u wont pray
jack: well what about meditation ? that's a form of prayer.
Guest8573: nah its not
jack: what's the difference ?
Guest8573: its a technique for self control , relexation and stuff like this
Guest8573: praying is asking from god for positive changes
jack: it can be for those things. but those are just by-products
Guest8573: if god doesnt exist praying is nonesense
jack: If God doesn't exist - asking God for positive changes and giving him a wi
shlist is... probably a waste of time. yes.
Guest8573: :)
Guest8573: how old are you mate
NamelessFace: paperboats !!!!! :)
paperboats: NamelessFace!!
jack: 30
Guest8573: the thing that annoy me the most
Guest8573: is
Guest8573: we have to gamble
Guest8573: between 2 options
jack: that's silly, right ?
Guest8573: 1. belive in god - risking much better life if he doesnt exist
Guest8573: 2. not belive in god - risking in burning in hell
jack: but if you don't believe in God, and you start stealing and scamming like
you said
Guest8573: yeah
jack: you might go to prison. then that wouldn't be a "much better life"
Guest8573: but i believe
Guest8573: YEAH but
Guest8573: i dont mean like
Guest8573: bank robbery
Guest8573: small stealings
Guest8573: and scammings
Valk0010: those who thing without god no morals, can blow me
Valk0010: god doesn't give me empathy
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Valk0010: I don't know how god is needed for morals, when I know very well how p
eople acting evil to me, feels
Valk0010: if I hate it when people do it to me, why not others
Guest8573: i mean
Guest8573: im a jew
Guest8573: and
Guest8573: 6 milion of my people got destroyed in holocost
Guest8573: if god alows himself to kill
jack: it's true.
Guest8573: and murder
Guest8573: and allow so much injustice
Guest8573: in this world
Guest8573: why cant i steal or lie
Guest8573: and this shit
Valk0010: because god doesn't exist and you do
Guest8573: Haha
Guest8573: well
jack: well, If there's a God who allowed that, what do you think happened to the
souls of the 6 million murdered Jews ?
Guest8573: im in a serious mindfuck
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Guest8573: i think they are in heaven
Guest8573: but they suffered so much
Guest8573: innocent people SHOULDNT be punished for nothing
Valk0010: you know what I remeber reading night from ellie weisel and from I hea
rd it was a common response amount jews who survived or were not in europe
Valk0010: that the death of those 6 million was also the death of god
Guest8573: if god support in justice
Guest8573: i mean if he support injustice
Guest8573: he cant demand people for justice
Guest8573: or being ethical
Guest8573: but he does
Valk0010: why speak in terms of He
jack: Well... what about that whole free will argument ?
Guest8573: lol
jack: Like God told you how to behave, but he can't make you do it.
jack: or She* (for Valk)
Guest8573: i know but why should i act like he asks me
Guest8573: if he
Guest8573: acts the oposite
Guest8573: im srry my english sucks
Guest8573: im 18 yo
Guest8573: from israel
jack: Well did She actually kill the jews or did She tell folks not to kill them
, but they did it anyway ?
jack: your english is better than a lot of americans'
Guest8573: she didnt tell anyone anything
Guest8573: i mean
Guest8573: hitler
Guest8573: was so lucky
jack: what about all those books She wrote ?
Guest8573: there was 72 times people tried to assasinate him
Valk0010: I mean the question is
Guest8573: and all failed
jack: Ten commandments and all that
Valk0010: Does a God exist, or Not?
Guest8573: so i think
Guest8573: hitler worked for god
Valk0010: Debates on who he is, are meaningless when that question still hasn't
been answered
Guest8573: unconciously
Guest8573: Lol
Guest8573: both of the options
Guest8573: are bad for me
jack: well, it sounds like you have to modify your idea of God
Valk0010: preferences are silly when talking about truth
Guest8573: there is only one truth
Valk0010: either something is or isn't, whether you like it or not
jack: the idea of God as a being who made us and observes us and judges us doesn
't seem to be working out for you
Guest8573: the truth is not my choice , i just wanna find it . it doesnt matter
if its good or not
jack: Valk - if no one knows what the truth is, then preferences are all we have
to talk about
Valk0010: the truth can be known
Guest8573: i want to believe its true , but this idea is problematic
Valk0010: Guest8573 let me ask you something simple
Guest8573: so much questions unsolved
Guest8573: yes sir
Valk0010: From what I understand you are from the jewish tradition?
Valk0010: right?
Guest8573: yeah
Valk0010: Then the most basic of question would be
Guest8573: if i was god i was exposing myself
Valk0010: did god reveal himself to moses?
Guest8573: yeah .. thats what bible says
Valk0010: if moses or abraham are myths or adam and eve
Valk0010: if these are myths then talk of yahweh become meaningless
Guest8573: but bible might be a fiction
Guest8573: i dont believe to any religious stuff
Valk0010: if the bible is fiction so is yahweh
jack: or a half-truth*
Guest8573: do u guys have skype??
jack: half-truths are always the most successful
Guest8573: lol
jack: no skype for me
Valk0010: neither for me
Guest8573: cause i want to know how to live my life
Guest8573: according to which prospective
Valk0010: well answer the god question
Valk0010: most things become easier once that is done
Guest8573: and i dont know whats true
Guest8573: so im confused
Guest8573: i cant answer it cuz i dont know the answer
jack: i think you should stop everything and answer the God question like Valk s
aid.
jack: you can't move on until you find that out.
Guest8573: how dafuq i can answer that
jack: hahah.
Guest8573: no1 knows the answer
jack: that's what everyone wants to know !
Valk0010: I mean I can thrink of three decent arguements against judaism if you
want to here of them
Valk0010: all biblical
Valk0010: or related to the bible
Guest8573: go ahead ..
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Valk0010: in reverse order, ever look in kings, and read the story about the boo
k of the law
Guest8573: you guys are so nice
Valk0010: its this random story in kings about a written book that was discovere
d and everybody in shocked realized it was from god and they were teaching wrong
stuff
Valk0010: I believe its kings its been awhile since I read it
Valk0010: and they all end up voting that this new book was from god and they st
art to teach from it
Valk0010: some scholars believe its the myth on how the book of kings itself was
discovered
ConcernedParent: Any thing good to chat about?
jack: CP - we're settling this God question here and now.
Valk0010: it seems to me, to have stories like that in your bible only means tha
t its a human invention, if it was divinely inspired a story like that wouldn't
make sense or exist