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1. Henry
2586posts
21Dec2011Wed08:42am denizli:Youunderstandbythecontext.Thiscaseits
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Thesearemythoughtsandobservations(asalearner)aboutusingifortheisesuffixin harp00n:Ithinkyoushouldfindawayfor...
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harp00n:ItsdailyTurkish.Bununanlamnedir?=
Bunedemek...
GenerallyinEnglish,sentenceswithifcomeintwoparts.
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Thefirstpartcontainstheifcondition,andthesecondpartcanbethepossibleoutcome.
Aquestionplease
Polyglot:Harpoonthanks
MyresourcessuggestthatTurkishusageoftheisesuffixismostofteninthesimplepresent gidilir
(aorist)tense,butitcanbeusedinanytense.Itonlyoccursinthesa/sevariations,similarto JNQ:HowshouldonegotoIzmir?/Whichroadshould
betakentoIzmir?
plurals(lar/ler).Youcanaddpersonalsuffixesasbelow benimicin
scalpel:weoftenpreferthisdativea/eto...:(the
shorter,theb...
.sam/sem=IfI..
EtoTmyattempt!
harp00n:youarewelcome.
.san/sen=Ifyou..
GreatdayforTurkeyandTurkishdemocracy...
kertmeyenkele:Therearehatersletalonebeing"not
.sa/se=Ifhe/she/it.. fanof"him.
nkiteyle...
.sak/sek=Ifwe Fiskje88:ok...ederim,scalpel...takdirediyorum.
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.sanz/seniz=Ifyou(plural/formal) gidilir
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Dictionariesoftenshoweerasmeaningif,butitispurelyatooltowarnlearnersabouta RandomPicturesofTurkey
conditionalsentence,(orusedforemphasis,)andisconsideredunnecessarybysomeTurks.

(Eer)alrsan,Trkeyireneceksin.

Ifyoustudy,youwilllearnTurkish
al(study/work)+r(simplepresenttense)+sa[conditionalsuffixif]+n(you)
Addthumbnailslikethistoyoursite
stersenbizimlegelebilirsin

Ifyouwant,youcancomewithus. Mostcommented
Pronouns1

Turkishlessonbyadmin
Aswellasbeingusedwithverbs,itcanalsobeusedwithsomeotherwords. Level:beginner
Introduction
Forexample:
Turkishlessonbyadmin
.varsa=Ifthereis/are.. Level:beginner
.yoksa=Ifthereisnt/arentany.. Must,Haveto,Needto,Wantto

Turkishlessonbyadmin
Level:intermediate
Paramzyoksa,gidemeyiz. Lesson1

Ifwehavenomoney,wecantgo. Turkishlessonbyadmin
Level:beginner

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Sorunvarsa,banasyle. Nounstates

Ifthereisaproblem,tellme. Turkishlessonbyadmin
Level:beginner

ExperiencesandPlaces
Hastaysan,okulagelme[hasta+sa+n] Essaybysamarkand
Ifyouaresick,dontcometoschool.
yiysemgelirim[iyi+ise+m] TurkishClassonTwitter

IfIamwell,Iwillcome.
yideilsegelmeyiz.

IfitisnotOK,wewontcome.

Iwillgivemoreexamplesintheothertenseslater

Edited(12/21/2011)byHenry[noticedsmallerror]

handharanasri,Mohaios,nemanjasrb,ms.yousra,morenitaand6otherslikedthismessage

2. Abla
3642posts
21Dec2011Wed09:12am
Great, Henry
.ThisisthepointinTurkishsyntaxthatgivesmethebiggestheadache.Goahead
andexplainittomeandIllbesograteful.Besides,IhonestlythinksometimestheEnglish
tensesysteminconditionalclausesconfusesmewhilestudyingtheTurkishrules.TheEnglish
nativeviewmightopensomeknots.

nemanjasrb,nifrtityandtuncilikedthismessage

3. Henry
2586posts
22Dec2011Thu08:03am

ThesenotesarebasedonapreviouspostbyErdinc

1)Wheresimplepresenttenseisusedinbothpartsofthesentence

Theifclauseisfollowedbythemainclause.

Ifyouheatice,itmelts.

Buzustrsan,erir.

Ifitrains,yougetwet

Yamuryaarsa,slanrsn.

Inthesesentences,thetimeisnoworalways,andthesituationisrealandpossible.Theyare
oftenusedtorefertogeneraltruths.

2)Wheretheifclauseissimplepresenttense,andthemainisinfuturetense.

Ifitrains,youwillgetwet.

Yamuryaarsaslanacaksn.

Ifyoudonthurry,wewillmissthetrain.

Aceleetmezsen,trenikaracaz.

Inthesesentences,thetimeisthepresentorfuture,andthesituationisreal.Theyrefertoa
possibleconditionanditsprobableresult.

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3)Wheretheifclauseisinpasttense,andthemainclauseispresentconditional.

Ifyouwenttobedearlier,youwouldntbesotired.

Erkenyatsaydn,yorgunolmayacaktn.

Ifitrained,youwouldgetwet.

Yamuryasayd,slanacaktn.

Inthesesentences,thetimeisnoworanytime,andthesituationisunreal.Theyarenot
basedonfact,andtheyrefertoanunlikelyconditionanditsprobableresult.Tomeetthis
structurefortheifclause,ErdincwoulduseatensewhichdoesntexistintheEnglish.He
callsit"ConditionalNarrativeMood"(Dilekartnhikayesi).Example:yapsayd(ifhehad
done),gitseydi(ifhehadgone),olsayd(ifithadhappened),bulsayd(ifhehadfound)...This
ispurelyfictionalaboutahypotheticalpastevent.Forthemainclausehewouldalsousea
tensewhichdoesntexistinEnglish,the"NarrativeMoodofFutureTense"yapacaktn,
koacaktn,gidecektin(Iwoulddo/make,Iwouldrun,Iwouldgo).

4)Wheretheifclauseispastperfecttense,andthemainclauseistheperfect
conditional.

Ifithadrained,youwouldhavegotwet.

1.Yamuryasayd,slanrdn.(preferred)

2.Yamuryasayd,slanmolurdun.

3.Yamuryasayd,slanmtn.

Ifyouhadworkedharder,youwouldhavepassedtheexam.

1.Dahaokalsaydn,snavgeerdin.(preferred)

2.Dahaokalsaydn,snavgemiolurdun.

3.Dahaokalsaydn,snavgemitin.

Inthesesentences,thetimeispast,andthesituationiscontrarytoreality.Thefactstheyare
basedonaretheoppositeofwhatisexpressed,andtheyrefertoanunrealpastcondition
anditsprobablepastresult.

HereonceagainErdincwouldusethe"ConditionalNarrativeMood"(Dilekartnhikayesi)for
theifclause.Forthemainclausehehasthreeoptions.Intheorderofpreferencethehisfirst
choicewouldbethe"NarrativeMoodofSimplePresent"(Genizamannhikayesi),hissecond
choicewouldbeaversionof"InferentialPastTense"andhisthirdchoicewouldbethe
"NarrativeMoodofInferentialPastTense"(miligemizamannhikayesi).

5)Afurthertypeofifsentenceexists,wherenumber3and4aremixed.Thetenseintheif
clauseisthepastperfect,andthetenseinthemainclauseisthepresentconditional:In
thesesentences,thetimeispastintheifclause,andpresentinthemainclause.

IfIhadworkedharderatschool,Iwouldhaveabetterjobnow.

Eerokuldadahaskalsaydm,imdidahaiyibiriimolurdu.

Ifwehadlookedatthemap,wewouldntbelost.

Haritayabaksaydk,kaybolmuolmazdk.

Theyrefertoanunrealpastconditionanditsprobableresultinthepresent.Fortheifclause
hewouldagainusethe"ConditionalNarrativeMood"(Dilekartnhikayesi).HereIwouldhave
usedeitherthefirstorsecondoptionofthepreviouscondition.SoIwoulduseeitherthe
"NarrativeMoodofSimplePresent"(Genizamannhikayesi)or"InferentialPastTense"with
"tobe".

Herearesomemoreexamplesfromanothersource.

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AsyoucanseebelowtheTurkishtranslationisidentical,buttheEngishcanbeanexampleof
3or4above

IfIwereyou(*ifIwereinyourplace),Iwouldgo.

IfIhadbeenyou,Iwouldhavegone.

Yerindeolsaydmgiderdim

Ifyouwereme(ifyouwereinmyplace),whatwouldyoudo?

Ifyouhadbeenme,whatwouldyouhavedone?

Yerimdeolsaydnneyapardn?

Ifhehelped,ourworkwouldbeeasier.

Ifhehadhelped,ourworkwouldhavebeeneasier.

Yardmetseydiiimizdahakolayolurdu.

Ifyoupaidattention,youwouldlearnalotmore.

Ifyouhadpaidattention,youwouldhavelearnedmore.

Dikkatetseydinizdahaokrenirdiniz

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4. scalpel
1472posts
23Dec2011Fri03:50am

QuotingHenry
ThesenotesarebasedonapreviouspostbyErdinc

1)Wheresimplepresenttenseisusedinbothpartsofthesentence

Theifclauseisfollowedbythemainclause.

Ifyouheatice,itmelts.

Buzustrsan,erir.

Ifitrains,yougetwet

Yamuryaarsa,slanrsn.

Inthesesentences,thetimeisnoworalways,andthesituationisrealandpossible.
Theyareoftenusedtorefertogeneraltruths.

2)Wheretheifclauseissimplepresenttense,andthemainisinfuturetense.

Ifitrains,youwillgetwet.

Yamuryaarsaslanacaksn.

Ifyoudonthurry,wewillmissthetrain.

Aceleetmezsen,trenikaracaz.

Inthesesentences,thetimeisthepresentorfuture,andthesituationisreal.They
refertoapossibleconditionanditsprobableresult.

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Noonehasdaredyettomaketheircommentsonandaddtheircontributionstoyourpost..I
willbreaktheice..andsaysomethingonthepartaboveinthefirstplace..

ATurkishconditionalsentenceisasentencecontainingtwoparts(clauses),adependentpart
(clause)endingwithise+PEandamainpart(clause)oranswertothe iseclause
.

iseisoftenshortenedtoseandaddedtotheverbinthedependentpart.Whensoused,it
becomesasuffixandfollowsthevowelharmony:gelirise=>gelirse,atarise=>atarsa.

Examples:

IfIhavetime,Iwillcallyoutomorrow.
Vakitbulursamyarnseniarayacam

BukedebeklersenonugeerkengreceksinIfyouwaitonthiscorner,youwillseeheras
shepasses.

Notethatinthesesentencesthepresenttenseisusedinthe iseclause
andthefuturetensein
themainoranswerclause.ThisparticulartypeofTurkishconditionalsentenceisequivalentto
futurepossibleconditioninEnglish,becaueitdescribesasimplesituationwhichmayormay
nottakeplaceinthefuture.

Sincethepresenttensealsousedforthefutureevents,youmayhearandseeconditional
sentenceshavingpresenttensebothinthe iseclause
andinthemainoranswerclause.

Vakitbulursamyarnseniarayacam(orararm) IfIhavetime,Iwillcallyoutomorrow.
Bukedebeklersenonugeerkengreceksin(orgrrsn)Ifyouwaitonthiscorner,you
willseeherasshepasses.
Bugecekaryaarsayarnbtngnevdeoturmakzorundakalacaz(orkalrz)Ifitsnows
tonight,wewillhavetostayathomealldaytomorrow.

When ise
isusedmeaning"when"or"whenever",sothatthereisnocondition(zero
conditional),tensesinthemainclauseandtheiseclausemaybethesame:

Sarilemaviyikartrrsanyeileldeedersin Ifyoumixyellowandblueyougetgreen.
Ifyouheatice,itmelts.
Buzustrsanerir

YamuryaarsaslanrsnIfitrains,yougetwet.

Youcouldused/tnda,d/tiinde,d/tuunda,d/tnde(for2ndper.sing.)insteadof
arsan,ersen,rsan,irsen,ursan,rsen,and(for3rdper.sing.)insteadofarsa,erse,
rsa,irse,ursa,rse:

Sarilemaviyikartrdndayeileldeedersin whenyoumixyellowandblueyouget
green.
Whenyouheatice,itmelts.
Buzusttndaerir

YamuryadndaslanrsnWhenitrains,yougetwet.

Sinceabilir/ebilir(=maycan)oftenhaveafuturesignificanceitisfrequentlyusedinthe
mainoranswerclauseofconditionalstatementsinsteadofacak/ecek.

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IfAhmetcome,hecanhelpus.
Ahmetgelirsebizeyardmedebilir

ErkenyolakarlarsaorayazamanndavarabilirlerIftheyleaveearly,theycangetthereon
time.
GulBahar,Lillita,nemanjasrb,nadyakoandHenrylikedthismessage

5. Abla
3642posts
23Dec2011Fri07:01pm

Theclassificationofconditionalclausespresentedin Erdinc
searlierpost(whichinitiallywas
recommendedtomeby Henry,whoelse)hashelpedmebutwhathasconfusedmeisthatin
reallanguagethefivetypespresentedtherearenotsopure.ItseemstomenowafterIsaw
scalpelstextthatthereismorefreedominTurkishthaninEnglishwhatcomestothesyntactic
if
appearanceofthecombinationof clausesandconditionalclauses.Hypotheticalconditions( r
ise
+ )notonlymodifysentenceswithfuturebutalsowithaoristorpotentialpredicatesinthe
aboveexamples.Goodtoknow.

IdontknowifmyimpressionofEnglishconditionalsislimited.Anyway,mylateEnglish
if
teachertaughtmeverystrictandformalrulesaboutthetensesofthe clausesmodifying
sentenceswith will would
or andIneverquestionedthem.Therewasnoelbowroomatall.It
seemsthatthereisinTurkish.

dik de
Anotherinterestingdetailiscombiningtheuseof +poss+ gerund(itisagerund,isnt
it?)withzeroconditionclauses.Actuallythispointofuselightensbothoftheiruses.

Sofarsogood.Ok,Henry,letsgototheunrealconditions.Whatseemsahypotheticalconditionto
meoftenturnsouttobeunrealinTurkish.Letsseehowyouexplainthat.

6. scalpel
1472posts
24Dec2011Sat04:19pm

QuotingHenry

3)Wheretheifclauseisinpasttense,andthemainclauseispresentconditional.

Ifyouwenttobedearlier,youwouldntbesotired.

Erkenyatsaydn,yorgunolmayacaktn.

Ifitrained,youwouldgetwet.

Yamuryasayd,slanacaktn.

Inthesesentences,thetimeisnoworanytime,andthesituationisunreal.Theyare
notbasedonfact,andtheyrefertoanunlikelyconditionanditsprobableresult.To
meetthisstructurefortheifclause,Erdincwoulduseatensewhichdoesntexistin
theEnglish.Hecallsit"ConditionalNarrativeMood"(Dilekartnhikayesi).Example:
yapsayd(ifhehaddone),gitseydi(ifhehadgone),olsayd(ifithadhappened),
bulsayd(ifhehadfound)...Thisispurelyfictionalaboutahypotheticalpastevent.For
themainclausehewouldalsouseatensewhichdoesntexistinEnglish,the"Narrative
MoodofFutureTense"yapacaktn,koacaktn,gidecektin(Iwoulddo/make,Iwouldrun,
Iwouldgo).

Asecondtypeofconditionalstatementissocalledpresentunrealcondition.
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1)Whentheconditionalpatternisnotassociatedwithcounterfactualstatements,but
predictions,thepresent(aorist)tenseisusedbothintheiseclauseandinthemainoranswer
clause:

Aliskalmyor,amaAlidoesnotstudyhard,but
SkalrsasnavngeerIfhestudiedhard,hewouldpasshisexam.

(WedontknowifAliisgoingtostudyhardornot.Wepredictwhatwilloccurifhedoes.)

DahaerkenyatarsandahadinkalkarsnIfyouwenttobedearlier,youwouldbelesstired.

lentreninebinersemsaatkataoradaolabilirim?IfItookthenoontrain,atwhattime
couldIgetthere?

Notethatthesuffixsa/semayalsobedirectlyaddedtotheverbroot:

Aliskalrsa(oralsa)snavngeer.

2)Whentheconditionalpatternisassociatedwithcounterfactualstatements,thesuffixsa/se
isdirectlyaddedtotherootoftheverbintheiseclause,andard,erdi,rd,irdi,urdu,
rd(=would)andabilirdi,ebilirdi(=couldmight)isusedinthemainoranswerclause:

Aye,arabakullanmaybilmiyor,ama Ayedoesnotknowhowtodrive,but
KullanmaybilsebirarabaalrdIfsheknewhowtodrive,shewouldbuyacar.

Alibabakanolsasistemidzeltirdi IfAliweretheprimeminister,hewouldreformthe
system.
(Aliisnottheprimeminister.Wepredictwhatwouldoccurifthatwereotherwise)

ParamolsabirkayenielbisealabilirdimIfIhadthemoney,Icouldbuysomenewclothes.

OkadaruzaktaoturmasamhergnokulayryerekgiderdimIfIdidntlivesofaraway,I
wouldwalktoschooleveryday.

FranszcayiyikonusamFransayagezmeyegiderdimIfIspokeFrenchwell,Iwouldtakea
triptoFrance.

Edited(12/25/2011)byscalpel[typo]

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7. Abla
3642posts
24Dec2011Sat07:15pm

Quote:scalpel
Aliskalmyor,amaAlidoesnotstudyhard,but
SkalrsasnavngeerIfhestudiedhard,hewouldpasshisexam.

(WedontknowifAliisgoingtostudyhardornot.Wepredictwhatwilloccurifhedoes.
)

________

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Aye,arabakullanmaybilmiyor,ama Ayedoesnotknowhowtodrive,but
KullanmaybilsebirarabaalrdIfsheknewhowtodrive,shewouldbuyacar.

Thedifferencebetweenhypotheticalandcounterfactualcondition,isitthissimple?Thespeaker
hasapresumptioncorrectorfalseinhismind:theconditioncouldrealizeoritcouldnt.
Thegrammaticalchoiceshemakesinthesentencereflecthisthoughtsaboutthestateofthe
world.

Themostdifficultdifferenceformepersonallyhasbeentheonebetween Erdinc
stypesIIja
III.Iambeginningtorealizenowthatmaybepartoftheproblemislackofnonlinguistic
context.IfyoutrytotranslateatheoreticalsentenceintoTurkishyouarelikelytomissthe
assumptionthereisbetweenthespeakersearsorunderstanditinyourownway.

Letstalkaboutsleepingearlywhichwastheissueinacoupleoftheexamples.Letssuppose
thereisaschoolboywhodayafterdayfallsasleepinclass.Theteachertalkstothemother
andsuggestspolitely:

Erkenyatarsa,yorgunolmayacak.
Sheisintroducingahypotheticalsituation,apossiblesolutionfortheproblem,achance.She
knowstheboydoesntsleepearlybutshedoesntwanttoblamethemother.

Supposethismotherwenthome.Sheisembarrassedbecauseofwhatshewastold,especially
becausesheknowstheteacherisright:theboyregularlywatchestvuntillatenight.She
meetstheboyandtellshim:

Erkenyatsaydin,yorgunolmayacaktn.
Shefeelsannoyedbecausesheknowstheboyisnotgoingtolistentoher(orshewantshimto
thinkshethinksthisway).Theconditionisnotgoingtobecometrue,itiscounterfactual.

AmIclose?

8. scalpel
1472posts
25Dec2011Sun01:59am

QuotingAbla

Thedifferencebetweenhypotheticalandcounterfactualcondition,isitthissimple?The
speakerhasapresumptioncorrectorfalseinhismind:theconditioncouldrealize
oritcouldnt.Thegrammaticalchoiceshemakesinthesentencereflecthisthoughts
aboutthestateoftheworld.

Themostdifficultdifferenceformepersonallyhasbeentheonebetween Erdinc
stypes
IIjaIII.Iambeginningtorealizenowthatmaybepartoftheproblemislackofnon
linguisticcontext.IfyoutrytotranslateatheoreticalsentenceintoTurkishyouarelikely
tomisstheassumptionthereisbetweenthespeakersearsorunderstanditinyour
ownway.

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Letstalkaboutsleepingearlywhichwastheissueinacoupleoftheexamples.Lets
supposethereisaschoolboywhodayafterdayfallsasleepinclass.Theteachertalksto
themotherandsuggestspolitely:

Erkenyatarsa,yorgunolmayacak.
Sheisintroducingahypotheticalsituation,apossiblesolutionfortheproblem,achance.
Sheknowstheboydoesntsleepearlybutshedoesntwanttoblamethemother.

Supposethismotherwenthome.Sheisembarrassedbecauseofwhatshewastold,
especiallybecausesheknowstheteacherisright:theboyregularlywatchestvuntillate
night.Shemeetstheboyandtellshim:

Erkenyatsaydin,yorgunolmayacaktn.
Shefeelsannoyedbecausesheknowstheboyisnotgoingtolistentoher(orshewants
himtothinkshethinksthisway).Theconditionisnotgoingtobecometrue,itis
counterfactual.

AmIclose?

WhatmakesitdifficultforthelearnerstograspthegistoftheTurkishconditionalsisliteral
translation..

Theliteraltranslationfor"ifyouwenttobedearly,youwouldntbesotired"is"erken
yatsaydnyorgunolmayacaktn."

But"erkenyatsaydnyorgunolmayacaktn"indicatespasttimeandisthetranslationfor"if
youhadgonetobedearlier,youwouldnothavebeensotired."

Ifyouusepasttenseinthe iseclause,itcreatesthesensethatanactiontookplacenotrelated
tothepresentatall.

Cemakllolursabylebireyiaslasylemez.

IfCemweresmart,hewouldneversaysuchathing.

(Cemisnotsmart.Wepredictwhatwouldoccurifthatwereotherwise)

Cemakllolsaydbylebireyiaslasylemezdi.

IfCemhadbeensmart,hewouldhaveneversaidsuchathing.

(IfCemhadactedwithintelligenceonthat(past)occasion,hewouldhaveneversaidsucha
thing.Buthedidntactwithintelligence,sohesaidthatthing)

Youcanalsouse mi+di di
insteadof :"Cemakllolmuolsaydbylebireyiasla
sylememiolurdu",andthiswouldbeamoreliteralandamorepropertranslationfor"IfCem
hadbeensmart,hewouldhaveneversaidsuchathing",butbecauseitislonger,itisless
preferable.

Andamixedconditional:

Cemakllolsabylebireyiaslasylememiolurdu.

IfCemweresmart,hewouldhaveneversaidsuchathing.

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(Cemisnotsmart,andneverhasbeensmart.Thatswhyhesaidsuchathing.)

9. Abla
3642posts
25Dec2011Sun08:07am
Theproblemaboutpasttense,andnotonlyinTurkish,isthatinadditionto

denotingactionthattookplacebeforethispointintime

italsohasthefunctionof

makingadistancebetweenrealityandotherpossibleworlds.

Itiskindofplayingintwodifferentlevelsofabstraction.Separatingthesetwoissometimesa
problemespeciallywhenyoutrytolearnanewlanguage.Thatswhythereissucha
desperateneedforsimpleruleslike

Quote:scalpel
Ifyouusepasttenseintheiseclause,itcreatesthesensethatanactiontookplacenot
relatedtothepresentatall.

10. scalpel
1472posts
25Dec2011Sun10:52am

QuotingAbla
Theproblemaboutpasttense,andnotonlyinTurkish,isthatinadditionto

denotingactionthattookplacebeforethispointintime

italsohasthefunctionof

makingadistancebetweenrealityandotherpossibleworlds.

Itiskindofplayingintwodifferentlevelsofabstraction.Separatingthesetwois
sometimesaproblemespeciallywhenyoutrytolearnanewlanguage.Thatswhythere
issuchadesperateneedforsimpleruleslike

I.

AYorgungrnyorsun,yineokgemiyattn? Youlooktired,didyougotobedtoolate
again?
BEvet,geyattm.. Yes,Idid..
AErkenyatsaydnyorgunolmazdn=> youshouldgotobedearlier..
II.

AYorgungrnyorsun,yineokgemiyattn? Youlooktired,didyougotobedtoolate
again?
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BHayr,geyatmadm..No,Ididnt..
AErkenyatsaydnyorgunolmazdn=>thenwhydoyoulooktired?maybeyoulieaboutthe
timeyougoingtobed?

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