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1. Henry
2586posts
21Dec2011Wed08:42am denizli:Youunderstandbythecontext.Thiscaseits
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Thesearemythoughtsandobservations(asalearner)aboutusingifortheisesuffixin harp00n:Ithinkyoushouldfindawayfor...
Turkish. bunedemek?
harp00n:ItsdailyTurkish.Bununanlamnedir?=
Bunedemek...
GenerallyinEnglish,sentenceswithifcomeintwoparts.
Oldmemberfriends
og2009:ThankyousomuchAlameda.
Thefirstpartcontainstheifcondition,andthesecondpartcanbethepossibleoutcome.
Aquestionplease
Polyglot:Harpoonthanks
MyresourcessuggestthatTurkishusageoftheisesuffixismostofteninthesimplepresent gidilir
(aorist)tense,butitcanbeusedinanytense.Itonlyoccursinthesa/sevariations,similarto JNQ:HowshouldonegotoIzmir?/Whichroadshould
betakentoIzmir?
plurals(lar/ler).Youcanaddpersonalsuffixesasbelow benimicin
scalpel:weoftenpreferthisdativea/eto...:(the
shorter,theb...
.sam/sem=IfI..
EtoTmyattempt!
harp00n:youarewelcome.
.san/sen=Ifyou..
GreatdayforTurkeyandTurkishdemocracy...
kertmeyenkele:Therearehatersletalonebeing"not
.sa/se=Ifhe/she/it.. fanof"him.
nkiteyle...
.sak/sek=Ifwe Fiskje88:ok...ederim,scalpel...takdirediyorum.
o...
.sanz/seniz=Ifyou(plural/formal) gidilir
Siavash2015:...ederim.
...salar/seler*=Ifthey
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Dictionariesoftenshoweerasmeaningif,butitispurelyatooltowarnlearnersabouta RandomPicturesofTurkey
conditionalsentence,(orusedforemphasis,)andisconsideredunnecessarybysomeTurks.
(Eer)alrsan,Trkeyireneceksin.
Ifyoustudy,youwilllearnTurkish
al(study/work)+r(simplepresenttense)+sa[conditionalsuffixif]+n(you)
Addthumbnailslikethistoyoursite
stersenbizimlegelebilirsin
Ifyouwant,youcancomewithus. Mostcommented
Pronouns1
Turkishlessonbyadmin
Aswellasbeingusedwithverbs,itcanalsobeusedwithsomeotherwords. Level:beginner
Introduction
Forexample:
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.varsa=Ifthereis/are.. Level:beginner
.yoksa=Ifthereisnt/arentany.. Must,Haveto,Needto,Wantto
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Level:intermediate
Paramzyoksa,gidemeyiz. Lesson1
Ifwehavenomoney,wecantgo. Turkishlessonbyadmin
Level:beginner
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Sorunvarsa,banasyle. Nounstates
Ifthereisaproblem,tellme. Turkishlessonbyadmin
Level:beginner
ExperiencesandPlaces
Hastaysan,okulagelme[hasta+sa+n] Essaybysamarkand
Ifyouaresick,dontcometoschool.
yiysemgelirim[iyi+ise+m] TurkishClassonTwitter
IfIamwell,Iwillcome.
yideilsegelmeyiz.
IfitisnotOK,wewontcome.
Iwillgivemoreexamplesintheothertenseslater
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2. Abla
3642posts
21Dec2011Wed09:12am
Great, Henry
.ThisisthepointinTurkishsyntaxthatgivesmethebiggestheadache.Goahead
andexplainittomeandIllbesograteful.Besides,IhonestlythinksometimestheEnglish
tensesysteminconditionalclausesconfusesmewhilestudyingtheTurkishrules.TheEnglish
nativeviewmightopensomeknots.
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3. Henry
2586posts
22Dec2011Thu08:03am
ThesenotesarebasedonapreviouspostbyErdinc
1)Wheresimplepresenttenseisusedinbothpartsofthesentence
Theifclauseisfollowedbythemainclause.
Ifyouheatice,itmelts.
Buzustrsan,erir.
Ifitrains,yougetwet
Yamuryaarsa,slanrsn.
Inthesesentences,thetimeisnoworalways,andthesituationisrealandpossible.Theyare
oftenusedtorefertogeneraltruths.
2)Wheretheifclauseissimplepresenttense,andthemainisinfuturetense.
Ifitrains,youwillgetwet.
Yamuryaarsaslanacaksn.
Ifyoudonthurry,wewillmissthetrain.
Aceleetmezsen,trenikaracaz.
Inthesesentences,thetimeisthepresentorfuture,andthesituationisreal.Theyrefertoa
possibleconditionanditsprobableresult.
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3)Wheretheifclauseisinpasttense,andthemainclauseispresentconditional.
Ifyouwenttobedearlier,youwouldntbesotired.
Erkenyatsaydn,yorgunolmayacaktn.
Ifitrained,youwouldgetwet.
Yamuryasayd,slanacaktn.
Inthesesentences,thetimeisnoworanytime,andthesituationisunreal.Theyarenot
basedonfact,andtheyrefertoanunlikelyconditionanditsprobableresult.Tomeetthis
structurefortheifclause,ErdincwoulduseatensewhichdoesntexistintheEnglish.He
callsit"ConditionalNarrativeMood"(Dilekartnhikayesi).Example:yapsayd(ifhehad
done),gitseydi(ifhehadgone),olsayd(ifithadhappened),bulsayd(ifhehadfound)...This
ispurelyfictionalaboutahypotheticalpastevent.Forthemainclausehewouldalsousea
tensewhichdoesntexistinEnglish,the"NarrativeMoodofFutureTense"yapacaktn,
koacaktn,gidecektin(Iwoulddo/make,Iwouldrun,Iwouldgo).
4)Wheretheifclauseispastperfecttense,andthemainclauseistheperfect
conditional.
Ifithadrained,youwouldhavegotwet.
1.Yamuryasayd,slanrdn.(preferred)
2.Yamuryasayd,slanmolurdun.
3.Yamuryasayd,slanmtn.
Ifyouhadworkedharder,youwouldhavepassedtheexam.
1.Dahaokalsaydn,snavgeerdin.(preferred)
2.Dahaokalsaydn,snavgemiolurdun.
3.Dahaokalsaydn,snavgemitin.
Inthesesentences,thetimeispast,andthesituationiscontrarytoreality.Thefactstheyare
basedonaretheoppositeofwhatisexpressed,andtheyrefertoanunrealpastcondition
anditsprobablepastresult.
HereonceagainErdincwouldusethe"ConditionalNarrativeMood"(Dilekartnhikayesi)for
theifclause.Forthemainclausehehasthreeoptions.Intheorderofpreferencethehisfirst
choicewouldbethe"NarrativeMoodofSimplePresent"(Genizamannhikayesi),hissecond
choicewouldbeaversionof"InferentialPastTense"andhisthirdchoicewouldbethe
"NarrativeMoodofInferentialPastTense"(miligemizamannhikayesi).
5)Afurthertypeofifsentenceexists,wherenumber3and4aremixed.Thetenseintheif
clauseisthepastperfect,andthetenseinthemainclauseisthepresentconditional:In
thesesentences,thetimeispastintheifclause,andpresentinthemainclause.
IfIhadworkedharderatschool,Iwouldhaveabetterjobnow.
Eerokuldadahaskalsaydm,imdidahaiyibiriimolurdu.
Ifwehadlookedatthemap,wewouldntbelost.
Haritayabaksaydk,kaybolmuolmazdk.
Theyrefertoanunrealpastconditionanditsprobableresultinthepresent.Fortheifclause
hewouldagainusethe"ConditionalNarrativeMood"(Dilekartnhikayesi).HereIwouldhave
usedeitherthefirstorsecondoptionofthepreviouscondition.SoIwoulduseeitherthe
"NarrativeMoodofSimplePresent"(Genizamannhikayesi)or"InferentialPastTense"with
"tobe".
Herearesomemoreexamplesfromanothersource.
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AsyoucanseebelowtheTurkishtranslationisidentical,buttheEngishcanbeanexampleof
3or4above
IfIwereyou(*ifIwereinyourplace),Iwouldgo.
IfIhadbeenyou,Iwouldhavegone.
Yerindeolsaydmgiderdim
Ifyouwereme(ifyouwereinmyplace),whatwouldyoudo?
Ifyouhadbeenme,whatwouldyouhavedone?
Yerimdeolsaydnneyapardn?
Ifhehelped,ourworkwouldbeeasier.
Ifhehadhelped,ourworkwouldhavebeeneasier.
Yardmetseydiiimizdahakolayolurdu.
Ifyoupaidattention,youwouldlearnalotmore.
Ifyouhadpaidattention,youwouldhavelearnedmore.
Dikkatetseydinizdahaokrenirdiniz
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4. scalpel
1472posts
23Dec2011Fri03:50am
QuotingHenry
ThesenotesarebasedonapreviouspostbyErdinc
1)Wheresimplepresenttenseisusedinbothpartsofthesentence
Theifclauseisfollowedbythemainclause.
Ifyouheatice,itmelts.
Buzustrsan,erir.
Ifitrains,yougetwet
Yamuryaarsa,slanrsn.
Inthesesentences,thetimeisnoworalways,andthesituationisrealandpossible.
Theyareoftenusedtorefertogeneraltruths.
2)Wheretheifclauseissimplepresenttense,andthemainisinfuturetense.
Ifitrains,youwillgetwet.
Yamuryaarsaslanacaksn.
Ifyoudonthurry,wewillmissthetrain.
Aceleetmezsen,trenikaracaz.
Inthesesentences,thetimeisthepresentorfuture,andthesituationisreal.They
refertoapossibleconditionanditsprobableresult.
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Noonehasdaredyettomaketheircommentsonandaddtheircontributionstoyourpost..I
willbreaktheice..andsaysomethingonthepartaboveinthefirstplace..
ATurkishconditionalsentenceisasentencecontainingtwoparts(clauses),adependentpart
(clause)endingwithise+PEandamainpart(clause)oranswertothe iseclause
.
iseisoftenshortenedtoseandaddedtotheverbinthedependentpart.Whensoused,it
becomesasuffixandfollowsthevowelharmony:gelirise=>gelirse,atarise=>atarsa.
Examples:
IfIhavetime,Iwillcallyoutomorrow.
Vakitbulursamyarnseniarayacam
BukedebeklersenonugeerkengreceksinIfyouwaitonthiscorner,youwillseeheras
shepasses.
Notethatinthesesentencesthepresenttenseisusedinthe iseclause
andthefuturetensein
themainoranswerclause.ThisparticulartypeofTurkishconditionalsentenceisequivalentto
futurepossibleconditioninEnglish,becaueitdescribesasimplesituationwhichmayormay
nottakeplaceinthefuture.
Sincethepresenttensealsousedforthefutureevents,youmayhearandseeconditional
sentenceshavingpresenttensebothinthe iseclause
andinthemainoranswerclause.
Vakitbulursamyarnseniarayacam(orararm) IfIhavetime,Iwillcallyoutomorrow.
Bukedebeklersenonugeerkengreceksin(orgrrsn)Ifyouwaitonthiscorner,you
willseeherasshepasses.
Bugecekaryaarsayarnbtngnevdeoturmakzorundakalacaz(orkalrz)Ifitsnows
tonight,wewillhavetostayathomealldaytomorrow.
When ise
isusedmeaning"when"or"whenever",sothatthereisnocondition(zero
conditional),tensesinthemainclauseandtheiseclausemaybethesame:
Sarilemaviyikartrrsanyeileldeedersin Ifyoumixyellowandblueyougetgreen.
Ifyouheatice,itmelts.
Buzustrsanerir
YamuryaarsaslanrsnIfitrains,yougetwet.
Youcouldused/tnda,d/tiinde,d/tuunda,d/tnde(for2ndper.sing.)insteadof
arsan,ersen,rsan,irsen,ursan,rsen,and(for3rdper.sing.)insteadofarsa,erse,
rsa,irse,ursa,rse:
Sarilemaviyikartrdndayeileldeedersin whenyoumixyellowandblueyouget
green.
Whenyouheatice,itmelts.
Buzusttndaerir
YamuryadndaslanrsnWhenitrains,yougetwet.
Sinceabilir/ebilir(=maycan)oftenhaveafuturesignificanceitisfrequentlyusedinthe
mainoranswerclauseofconditionalstatementsinsteadofacak/ecek.
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IfAhmetcome,hecanhelpus.
Ahmetgelirsebizeyardmedebilir
ErkenyolakarlarsaorayazamanndavarabilirlerIftheyleaveearly,theycangetthereon
time.
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5. Abla
3642posts
23Dec2011Fri07:01pm
Theclassificationofconditionalclausespresentedin Erdinc
searlierpost(whichinitiallywas
recommendedtomeby Henry,whoelse)hashelpedmebutwhathasconfusedmeisthatin
reallanguagethefivetypespresentedtherearenotsopure.ItseemstomenowafterIsaw
scalpelstextthatthereismorefreedominTurkishthaninEnglishwhatcomestothesyntactic
if
appearanceofthecombinationof clausesandconditionalclauses.Hypotheticalconditions( r
ise
+ )notonlymodifysentenceswithfuturebutalsowithaoristorpotentialpredicatesinthe
aboveexamples.Goodtoknow.
IdontknowifmyimpressionofEnglishconditionalsislimited.Anyway,mylateEnglish
if
teachertaughtmeverystrictandformalrulesaboutthetensesofthe clausesmodifying
sentenceswith will would
or andIneverquestionedthem.Therewasnoelbowroomatall.It
seemsthatthereisinTurkish.
dik de
Anotherinterestingdetailiscombiningtheuseof +poss+ gerund(itisagerund,isnt
it?)withzeroconditionclauses.Actuallythispointofuselightensbothoftheiruses.
Sofarsogood.Ok,Henry,letsgototheunrealconditions.Whatseemsahypotheticalconditionto
meoftenturnsouttobeunrealinTurkish.Letsseehowyouexplainthat.
6. scalpel
1472posts
24Dec2011Sat04:19pm
QuotingHenry
3)Wheretheifclauseisinpasttense,andthemainclauseispresentconditional.
Ifyouwenttobedearlier,youwouldntbesotired.
Erkenyatsaydn,yorgunolmayacaktn.
Ifitrained,youwouldgetwet.
Yamuryasayd,slanacaktn.
Inthesesentences,thetimeisnoworanytime,andthesituationisunreal.Theyare
notbasedonfact,andtheyrefertoanunlikelyconditionanditsprobableresult.To
meetthisstructurefortheifclause,Erdincwoulduseatensewhichdoesntexistin
theEnglish.Hecallsit"ConditionalNarrativeMood"(Dilekartnhikayesi).Example:
yapsayd(ifhehaddone),gitseydi(ifhehadgone),olsayd(ifithadhappened),
bulsayd(ifhehadfound)...Thisispurelyfictionalaboutahypotheticalpastevent.For
themainclausehewouldalsouseatensewhichdoesntexistinEnglish,the"Narrative
MoodofFutureTense"yapacaktn,koacaktn,gidecektin(Iwoulddo/make,Iwouldrun,
Iwouldgo).
Asecondtypeofconditionalstatementissocalledpresentunrealcondition.
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1)Whentheconditionalpatternisnotassociatedwithcounterfactualstatements,but
predictions,thepresent(aorist)tenseisusedbothintheiseclauseandinthemainoranswer
clause:
Aliskalmyor,amaAlidoesnotstudyhard,but
SkalrsasnavngeerIfhestudiedhard,hewouldpasshisexam.
(WedontknowifAliisgoingtostudyhardornot.Wepredictwhatwilloccurifhedoes.)
DahaerkenyatarsandahadinkalkarsnIfyouwenttobedearlier,youwouldbelesstired.
lentreninebinersemsaatkataoradaolabilirim?IfItookthenoontrain,atwhattime
couldIgetthere?
Notethatthesuffixsa/semayalsobedirectlyaddedtotheverbroot:
Aliskalrsa(oralsa)snavngeer.
2)Whentheconditionalpatternisassociatedwithcounterfactualstatements,thesuffixsa/se
isdirectlyaddedtotherootoftheverbintheiseclause,andard,erdi,rd,irdi,urdu,
rd(=would)andabilirdi,ebilirdi(=couldmight)isusedinthemainoranswerclause:
Aye,arabakullanmaybilmiyor,ama Ayedoesnotknowhowtodrive,but
KullanmaybilsebirarabaalrdIfsheknewhowtodrive,shewouldbuyacar.
Alibabakanolsasistemidzeltirdi IfAliweretheprimeminister,hewouldreformthe
system.
(Aliisnottheprimeminister.Wepredictwhatwouldoccurifthatwereotherwise)
ParamolsabirkayenielbisealabilirdimIfIhadthemoney,Icouldbuysomenewclothes.
OkadaruzaktaoturmasamhergnokulayryerekgiderdimIfIdidntlivesofaraway,I
wouldwalktoschooleveryday.
FranszcayiyikonusamFransayagezmeyegiderdimIfIspokeFrenchwell,Iwouldtakea
triptoFrance.
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Quote:scalpel
Aliskalmyor,amaAlidoesnotstudyhard,but
SkalrsasnavngeerIfhestudiedhard,hewouldpasshisexam.
(WedontknowifAliisgoingtostudyhardornot.Wepredictwhatwilloccurifhedoes.
)
________
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Aye,arabakullanmaybilmiyor,ama Ayedoesnotknowhowtodrive,but
KullanmaybilsebirarabaalrdIfsheknewhowtodrive,shewouldbuyacar.
Thedifferencebetweenhypotheticalandcounterfactualcondition,isitthissimple?Thespeaker
hasapresumptioncorrectorfalseinhismind:theconditioncouldrealizeoritcouldnt.
Thegrammaticalchoiceshemakesinthesentencereflecthisthoughtsaboutthestateofthe
world.
Themostdifficultdifferenceformepersonallyhasbeentheonebetween Erdinc
stypesIIja
III.Iambeginningtorealizenowthatmaybepartoftheproblemislackofnonlinguistic
context.IfyoutrytotranslateatheoreticalsentenceintoTurkishyouarelikelytomissthe
assumptionthereisbetweenthespeakersearsorunderstanditinyourownway.
Letstalkaboutsleepingearlywhichwastheissueinacoupleoftheexamples.Letssuppose
thereisaschoolboywhodayafterdayfallsasleepinclass.Theteachertalkstothemother
andsuggestspolitely:
Erkenyatarsa,yorgunolmayacak.
Sheisintroducingahypotheticalsituation,apossiblesolutionfortheproblem,achance.She
knowstheboydoesntsleepearlybutshedoesntwanttoblamethemother.
Supposethismotherwenthome.Sheisembarrassedbecauseofwhatshewastold,especially
becausesheknowstheteacherisright:theboyregularlywatchestvuntillatenight.She
meetstheboyandtellshim:
Erkenyatsaydin,yorgunolmayacaktn.
Shefeelsannoyedbecausesheknowstheboyisnotgoingtolistentoher(orshewantshimto
thinkshethinksthisway).Theconditionisnotgoingtobecometrue,itiscounterfactual.
AmIclose?
8. scalpel
1472posts
25Dec2011Sun01:59am
QuotingAbla
Thedifferencebetweenhypotheticalandcounterfactualcondition,isitthissimple?The
speakerhasapresumptioncorrectorfalseinhismind:theconditioncouldrealize
oritcouldnt.Thegrammaticalchoiceshemakesinthesentencereflecthisthoughts
aboutthestateoftheworld.
Themostdifficultdifferenceformepersonallyhasbeentheonebetween Erdinc
stypes
IIjaIII.Iambeginningtorealizenowthatmaybepartoftheproblemislackofnon
linguisticcontext.IfyoutrytotranslateatheoreticalsentenceintoTurkishyouarelikely
tomisstheassumptionthereisbetweenthespeakersearsorunderstanditinyour
ownway.
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Letstalkaboutsleepingearlywhichwastheissueinacoupleoftheexamples.Lets
supposethereisaschoolboywhodayafterdayfallsasleepinclass.Theteachertalksto
themotherandsuggestspolitely:
Erkenyatarsa,yorgunolmayacak.
Sheisintroducingahypotheticalsituation,apossiblesolutionfortheproblem,achance.
Sheknowstheboydoesntsleepearlybutshedoesntwanttoblamethemother.
Supposethismotherwenthome.Sheisembarrassedbecauseofwhatshewastold,
especiallybecausesheknowstheteacherisright:theboyregularlywatchestvuntillate
night.Shemeetstheboyandtellshim:
Erkenyatsaydin,yorgunolmayacaktn.
Shefeelsannoyedbecausesheknowstheboyisnotgoingtolistentoher(orshewants
himtothinkshethinksthisway).Theconditionisnotgoingtobecometrue,itis
counterfactual.
AmIclose?
WhatmakesitdifficultforthelearnerstograspthegistoftheTurkishconditionalsisliteral
translation..
Theliteraltranslationfor"ifyouwenttobedearly,youwouldntbesotired"is"erken
yatsaydnyorgunolmayacaktn."
But"erkenyatsaydnyorgunolmayacaktn"indicatespasttimeandisthetranslationfor"if
youhadgonetobedearlier,youwouldnothavebeensotired."
Ifyouusepasttenseinthe iseclause,itcreatesthesensethatanactiontookplacenotrelated
tothepresentatall.
Cemakllolursabylebireyiaslasylemez.
IfCemweresmart,hewouldneversaysuchathing.
(Cemisnotsmart.Wepredictwhatwouldoccurifthatwereotherwise)
Cemakllolsaydbylebireyiaslasylemezdi.
IfCemhadbeensmart,hewouldhaveneversaidsuchathing.
(IfCemhadactedwithintelligenceonthat(past)occasion,hewouldhaveneversaidsucha
thing.Buthedidntactwithintelligence,sohesaidthatthing)
Youcanalsouse mi+di di
insteadof :"Cemakllolmuolsaydbylebireyiasla
sylememiolurdu",andthiswouldbeamoreliteralandamorepropertranslationfor"IfCem
hadbeensmart,hewouldhaveneversaidsuchathing",butbecauseitislonger,itisless
preferable.
Andamixedconditional:
Cemakllolsabylebireyiaslasylememiolurdu.
IfCemweresmart,hewouldhaveneversaidsuchathing.
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(Cemisnotsmart,andneverhasbeensmart.Thatswhyhesaidsuchathing.)
9. Abla
3642posts
25Dec2011Sun08:07am
Theproblemaboutpasttense,andnotonlyinTurkish,isthatinadditionto
denotingactionthattookplacebeforethispointintime
italsohasthefunctionof
makingadistancebetweenrealityandotherpossibleworlds.
Itiskindofplayingintwodifferentlevelsofabstraction.Separatingthesetwoissometimesa
problemespeciallywhenyoutrytolearnanewlanguage.Thatswhythereissucha
desperateneedforsimpleruleslike
Quote:scalpel
Ifyouusepasttenseintheiseclause,itcreatesthesensethatanactiontookplacenot
relatedtothepresentatall.
10. scalpel
1472posts
25Dec2011Sun10:52am
QuotingAbla
Theproblemaboutpasttense,andnotonlyinTurkish,isthatinadditionto
denotingactionthattookplacebeforethispointintime
italsohasthefunctionof
makingadistancebetweenrealityandotherpossibleworlds.
Itiskindofplayingintwodifferentlevelsofabstraction.Separatingthesetwois
sometimesaproblemespeciallywhenyoutrytolearnanewlanguage.Thatswhythere
issuchadesperateneedforsimpleruleslike
I.
AYorgungrnyorsun,yineokgemiyattn? Youlooktired,didyougotobedtoolate
again?
BEvet,geyattm.. Yes,Idid..
AErkenyatsaydnyorgunolmazdn=> youshouldgotobedearlier..
II.
AYorgungrnyorsun,yineokgemiyattn? Youlooktired,didyougotobedtoolate
again?
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BHayr,geyatmadm..No,Ididnt..
AErkenyatsaydnyorgunolmazdn=>thenwhydoyoulooktired?maybeyoulieaboutthe
timeyougoingtobed?
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