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1 of 11 5/10/17, 9:49 AM
ReasonOnFaith comments on message from a fed up ahmadi girl https://www.reddit.com/r/freespeech_ahmadiyya/comments/69...
Ironically, this prioritization of truth over family and worldly comforts was
something instilled in me as a child from Ahmadiyyat.
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I think it's comforting for the believing Ahmadi to just assume that those
who no longer believe were "weak" to start with or had some
preconceived "agenda". What you don't realize is that many have left but
walk among you. Further, many have left that you never hear of, who
came from very earnest and devout practice to sincere questioning that
religious leadership in the Jama'at couldn't answer.
Regarding rebuttals, I find most Ahmadis read material from Ahmadiyyat
that includes the critique and the Ahmadi rebuttal. They don't consider
source material in its original, unfiltered context.
I'll be writing lots more in the future. In brief, this is a bit about my story:
2 of 11 5/10/17, 9:49 AM
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http://reasononfaith.org/about/.
Further, I am going to go out on a limb here and take a guess that you've
never read Nuzhat Haneef's polite critique of Ahmadiyyat. She writes in a
non-combative style. She was a devout moosi prior to questioning. Most
people don't bother critiquing the Jama'at theology who could, because of
not wanting to disrupt/upset their families.
Here's Nuzhat's piece: https://www.reddit.com/r/freespeech_ahmadiyya
/comments/5tat47/nuzhat_j_haneefs_book_critiquing_mgaahmadiyyat/
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There are always going to be people weak in faith, it's just a fact. Yes
there are going to be ahmadis who walk among me who are hiding
the fact they don't believe a single word of anything. That's not new
to me. The only source of ultimate truth is from the Holy Qur'an.
Everything else such as the guidance in the books of the Promised
Messiah were not the word of God hence there is some weakness but
the vast majority of what is said is beneficial because it gives incite
into the truth of Islam and the Qur'an and he is the prophet of our
time who you have sadly mistaken as much less, unfortunately. You
are mistaken to think that ahmadis follow the books of the promised
messiah like the Qur'an. I read them to affirm my belief in Islam, to
increase my faith in it. Also if a mistake was made in what was said in
any of his books then there is no doubt that his intentions were in
accordance to the teachings of the Qur'an. Faith is an essential part of
the wellbeing of a human being, people without it unfortunately fall to
vice and sin more easily and are a matter of fact are more interested
in their ego and desires more than anything else. I don't have time to
read things against the jamaat because no doubt there are issues,
there have been no allegations that hold any weight. If you can find
anything against the Qur'an then I'll be interested, otherwise I'm not
interested. Unfortunately there are some ahmadis who make the
jamaat more important to them than Islam itself, but there are also
those who are more spiritual and focus on that side more. Peace be
on you brother, hope none of this upset you.
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Thank you for sharing your perspectives and your kind words of
peace. I believe that as long as we talk about ideas and ideologies
(as opposed to ad hominem attacks on each other), we should be
safe from upsetting one another. Difficult subjects are still worth
having a dialog on.
You mentioned:
The only source of ultimate truth is from the Holy Qur'an.
Of course, this is the position I assumed that you held. And of
3 of 11 5/10/17, 9:49 AM
ReasonOnFaith comments on message from a fed up ahmadi girl https://www.reddit.com/r/freespeech_ahmadiyya/comments/69...
course, I reject that premise. Why you accept it and why I reject it,
is to be sure, another discussion that could be had.
I believe (and I suspect that you may agree with me here on this
point of process), that better understanding of a person's position
comes from a coherent, cogent exposition of those ideas (be it an
essay, a formal debate opening, a video, a book, etc.). Few people
change each other's minds in threaded, textual back and forth as we
are engaging in. However, this is still useful for laying out some
preliminary ideas and for other onlookers to find resources to follow
up with.
Both you and I may not continue this thread until convergence, but I
won't take it as either of us not having more to say. It'll be more an
issue of diminishing returns. I suspect you'll get the last word, since
I'm focused on long form writing that will explain my thought
process better, minimizing the need for as much direct 1:1
discussion that repeats similar points.
Now with that out of the way, here are some final thoughts from
myself, in relation to your most recent response:
You've stated:
Everything else such as the guidance in the books of the
Promised Messiah were not the word of God hence there is some
weakness but the vast majority of what is said is beneficial
because it gives incite into the truth of Islam and the Qur'an
I don't believe this captures my critique of MGA's books. There's a
pattern of religious writings (formal scriptures as well as that of
saintly persons) writing enough ambiguous content across the board,
that one can cherry pick from it as one needs. This would be one of
my primary critiques. The book by Nuzhat Haneef illustrates this in
the section where she examines MGA's life span prophecy. It's a
short read. I'd encourage you to read that section, and then read the
generic Ahmadi defense of critiques against the life span prophecy.
In my estimation, Nuzhat makes a stronger case. Much stronger.
You can't weigh in on that specific issue unless of course, you too,
read both points of view. I'm not challenging you too--we all have
finite time. Should you be interested, this is one spot I would
suggest you investigate.
Also if a mistake was made in what was said in any of his books
then there is no doubt that his intentions were in accordance to
the teachings of the Qur'an.
I submit to you that this line of thought is circular reasoning. I
believe that you believe it. However, if either of Islam or Ahmadiyyat
specifically are false, then this perspective has no real import. That
you are expressing how you feel subjectively, I am happy to accept
as just that.
4 of 11 5/10/17, 9:49 AM
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5 of 11 5/10/17, 9:49 AM
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6 of 11 5/10/17, 9:49 AM
ReasonOnFaith comments on message from a fed up ahmadi girl https://www.reddit.com/r/freespeech_ahmadiyya/comments/69...
time. I just had a skim through the link you posted.... Straight
away I see there is an agenda at play "This is the truth", a scare
tactic. Let me ask you this? Did you have a reason to challenge
your original faith? Did you see something in the Jamaal you
didn't like? Were there certain things you neglected in Islam? Did
you feel guilty? Did you then decide that you'd find a way out of
the jamaat? At one point you might have thought it was the
truth, what was the trigger to leave? There always is something.
Anyway that's not really relevant. Don't take anything I say
personally, peace be with you.
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