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1 INDEX
2 WITNESS PAGE
3 ALICE K. JACKSON 25
Direct Examination by Mr. Sopkin 26
4 Cross-examination by Mr. Cocian 28
Cross-examination by Mr. Calvano 37
5 Cross-examination by Ms. Eckert 41
Cross-examination by Mr. Detsky 44
6 Cross Examination by Mr. Minor 99
Cross Examination by Ms. Overturf 106
7 Cross Examination by Mr. Dixon 134
Examination by Ms. McLauthlin 143
8 Examination by Commissioner Koncilja 157
Examination by Chairman Ackermann 167
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10 EXHIBITS
12 Exhibit No. 1 4 27
Exhibit No. 2 4 27
13 Exhibit No. 3 4
Exhibit No. 4 4
14 Exhibit No. 5 4
Exhibit No. 6 4
15 Exhibit No. 7 4
Exhibit No. 8 4
16 Exhibit No. 9 4
Exhibit No. 10 4
17 Exhibit No. 11 4
Exhibit No. 12 4
18 Exhibit No. 13 4
Exhibit No. 14 4
19 Exhibit No. 15 4
Exhibit No. 16 4
20 Exhibit No. 17 4
Exhibit No. 18 4
21 Exhibit No. 19 4
Exhibit No. 20 4
22 Exhibit No. 21 4
Exhibit No. 22 4
23 Exhibit No. 23 4
Exhibit No. 24 4
24 Exhibit No. 25 4
Exhibit No. 26 4
25 Exhibit No. 27 4
Exhibit No. 28 4
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1 EXHIBITS
3 Exhibit No. 29 4
Exhibit No. 30 4
4 Exhibit No. 31 4
Exhibit No. 32 4
5 Exhibit No. 33 4
Exhibit No. 34 4 18
6 Exhibit No. 35 4 18
Exhibit No. 36 4 18
7 Exhibit No. 37 4 47
Exhibit No. 38 4 47
8 Exhibit No. 39 4 47
Exhibit No. 40 4 47
9 Exhibit No. 41 4 47
Exhibit No. 42 4 136
10 Exhibit No. 43 4 136
Exhibit No. 44 4 136
11 Exhibit No. 45 4 136
Exhibit No. 46 4 27
12 Exhibit No. 47 40 41
Exhibit No. 48 58 59
13 Exhibit No. 49 58 59
Exhibit No. 50 118 119
14 Exhibit No. 51 129 132
Exhibit No. 52 178
15 Exhibit No. 53 178
Exhibit No. 54 178
16 Exhibit No. 55 178
Exhibit No. 56 178
17 Exhibit No. 57 178
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1 PROCEEDINGS
3 identification.)
5 and gentlemen.
12 Frances Koncilja.
14 Moser.
19 Commissioners.
4 Attorney General.
6 Commissioners.
13 and Commissioners.
25 Commission.
7
1 I'm Lisa Tormoen Hickey from the law firm
3 Energy Alliance.
8 Brandt King.
11 Molybdenum Company.
22 and Commissioner.
18 on to.
20 has a few.
20 Thank you.
11 Thanks.
13 are out of town; are they flying in, driving in or, you
20 have.
21 Thank you.
6 correct?
8 Honor.
19 that.
25 Ms. Jackson takes the stand the company will ask for
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1 leave to introduce that as an exhibit on the direct
12 them in.
15 shifting.
2 Thank you.
4 calendar then.
14 Mr. Putnam.
22 So thank you.
2 (No response.)
13 4.
25 deal with?
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1 Mr. Irby.
21 Ms. Overturf?
5 filed.
7 copies?
11 shows the date and the URL at the time of that date,
12 correct.
18 one you can see the date it was accessed and you can
19 see the URL. The other two documents are reports that
24 consider.
19 portions --
21 paragraphs.
15 I agree.
23 promise.
15 position.
20 listing --
2 going to do it orally.
15 I and RRR from the 2007 ERP and Phase I, RRR from the
16 2011 ERP and the Phase II decision from the 2011 ERP.
19 rule 501(c).
5 those to you.
13 clarification.
23 stand.
24 ALICE K. JACKSON,
2 DIRECT EXAMINATION
3 BY MR. SOPKIN:
5 record.
8 capacity?
13 testimony?
14 A It has.
18 attachments?
19 A Yes.
22 3 of the ERP?
23 A That is correct.
2 A I have.
5 their admission.
8 BY MR. SOPKIN:
13 A I do.
22 admission.
6 CROSS-EXAMINATION
7 BY MR. COCIAN:
9 A Good morning.
16 A Yes, sir.
19 correct?
20 A We do.
3 No. 2.
4 A I'm there.
18 process of review?
24 A Yes.
2 A Correct.
6 A That's correct.
9 A Correct.
16 discretion.
21 consequences.
24 company agreed to --
4 record.
13 A Yes. I apologize.
16 A Correct.
19 A Yes, sir.
22 it?
7 calculation.
8 A It does not.
15 process.
24 calculation, correct?
2 process?
7 comes in?
13 you?
22 to be substantial?
6 company is?
19 solution.
5 concern that they may have with the low, medium and
10 presented.
13 Commissioners.
14 CROSS-EXAMINATION
15 BY MR. CALVANO:
21 A All right.
25 Plan, AKJ-1.
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1 A You said page 49?
2 Q Yes, 1-49.
5 Q Right.
11 section.
12 A I'm there.
24 energy as well?
2 Q Thank you.
3 A Uh-huh.
8 correct?
9 A It does.
16 correct?
17 A Yes.
7 A It is.
17 identification.)
20 A I do.
25 are in my bailiwick.
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1 MR. CALVANO: I would like to move
8 us to Mr. Putnam.
11 Mr. Putnam.
14 CROSS-EXAMINATION
15 BY MS. ECKERT:
4 A Yes, ma'am.
11 benefits, correct?
12 A Yes, ma'am.
19 necessary?
3 correct.
11 A No, ma'am.
15 normally would.
21 Q Thank you.
22 A Uh-huh.
5 CROSS-EXAMINATION
6 BY MR. DETSKY:
13 Chairman's request.
18 would proceed.
19 BY MR. DETSKY:
22 37 through 41.
2 unit retirements.
9 assumptions.
10 That's 37.
14 plant lives.
20 generation.
24 terms.
12 Detsky.
14 Objections?
10 exhibits then.
14 BY MR. DETSKY:
14 rules.
20 Q Thank you.
11 Q Yes.
12 A Okay.
16 A Correct.
20 A That is correct.
3 A I do.
9 A I do.
22 record.
12 first point.
19 that I have seen from Mr. Monsen that I'm not sure
23 Q Good.
2 A Uh-huh.
4 this case?
12 the portfolio.
3 incurred?
12 A Uh-huh.
14 cap, correct?
16 he used.
21 correct?
24 A Yes, sir.
15 settlement.
24 correct?
25 A That is correct.
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1 Q So it's your testimony then that the hard
13 is that correct?
20 additional projects?
23 that the hard cost cap is not the policy nor the way
16 Q 56, please.
17 A I am there.
21 that?
3 rebuttal. I apologize.
9 A Uh-huh.
12 A That is correct.
20 A I do.
23 Q Okay, great.
3 A That is correct.
18 A That's correct.
20 approach?
23 for identification.)
25 48 and 49?
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1 (Discussion off the record.)
3 presented.
12 admitted.
18 90-minute timeline.
23 (Recess.)
2 the record.
15 record.
8 Mr. Chairman.
15 Thank you.
18 testimony.
20 clarification.
24 CROSS-EXAMINATION (Continued)
25 BY MR. DETSKY:
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1 Q Ms. Jackson.
2 A Good afternoon.
5 BY MR. DETSKY:
13 A I do.
17 A 49?
18 Q 49.
19 A I have it.
23 A I do.
3 A That is correct.
19 A In Subpart D?
20 Q Subpart D, yes.
21 A Yes.
20 A That's correct.
2 that correct?
4 would be correct.
5 Q Okay.
8 nonperformance.
21 A I am.
24 A In what way?
3 A Uh-huh.
12 a PPA.
18 Q I understand that.
10 in an IPP, correct?
11 A Sure.
15 A I am.
25 correct?
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1 A There are similar ones, but there were
9 a PPA?
22 A That's correct.
2 A Yes, sir.
8 Q After.
14 that correct?
15 A That's correct.
18 A Correct.
23 A That's correct.
22 of your testimony --
23 A Uh-huh.
3 A Yes.
10 Mr. Hill.
12 with that?
18 A I see that.
4 A I do.
8 A I have it.
13 A I do.
17 A I do.
21 A They are.
15 doesn't apply?
4 A Okay.
7 A I'm there.
16 to ratepayers."
21 A Yes.
23 statement?
8 A I do.
20 than that.
2 A That is correct.
11 the customers.
23 with that?
24 A I would.
7 reference?
11 service.
14 A Roughly, yes.
17 A We do.
22 memorized.
24 largest?
25 A That we own?
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1 Q Yes.
5 that correct?
9 A Correct.
14 A That's correct.
17 A Correct.
22 it not?
23 A We will.
25 that correct?
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1 A October 31 I believe is the deadline
5 A Yes, sir.
10 A Okay.
15 A I'm there.
21 that?
24 Line 13?
2 were --
17 was.
7 2016.
16 that correct?
17 A Yes, sir.
20 A That is my understanding.
5 A That's correct.
10 A That's correct.
15 A That is correct.
9 anywhere.
10 A Okay.
14 Q Cherokee.
17 Q Cherokee 4?
19 unit.
4 company as well?
13 Q Correct.
14 A I'm there.
20 A I do.
24 A No.
25 Q -- in the model?
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1 A I -- as to the precise nature of how it
8 you.
10 Mr. Hill.
20 Q Red line?
21 A Red line.
2 A I do.
6 A Yes.
9 is that true?
13 further questions.
15 CROSS-EXAMINATION
16 BY MS. HICKEY:
19 A Good afternoon.
22 one -- or Exhibit 1.
23 A I'm there.
5 manner."
15 A That's correct.
17 portfolio, correct?
25 that correct?
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1 A Specific number of megawatts as far as
8 needs.
21 in them?
15 correct?
21 A We did.
24 A I'm there.
7 A I do.
18 Phase 1?
19 A Yes, ma'am.
22 A 2 dash 222?
25 A I am there.
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1 Q Now, you want the Phase 2 bidding
12 portfolio development."
16 the company?
9 process.
24 A I do not.
9 utilize.
17 A I'm there.
20 A Okay.
22 A I'm there.
12 rules.
23 that right?
7 at.
22 correct?
10 retirement?
22 CROSS-EXAMINATION
23 BY MR. MINOR:
3 A Good afternoon.
7 A We did.
10 A Yes, it did.
20 variety of things.
25 right?
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1 A It focuses on the incremental ancillary
7 BY MR. MINOR:
9 I'm sorry.
15 2007 ERP?
16 A Subject to check.
20 correct?
21 A That's correct.
5 A That's correct.
11 ERP.
14 ERP proceeding?
18 expectation.
23 A Of course.
3 resources?
4 A It did.
16 resources?
17 A Yes, it does.
6 other proceeding.
11 A It is a reasonable expectation.
21 Okay.
25 A Correct.
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1 Q And as of right now, does the company
3 study?
12 study as well?
13 A Yeah.
16 A Yes.
18 questions.
21 yours.
22 CROSS-EXAMINATION
23 BY MS. OVERTURF:
3 BY MS. OVERTURF:
21 need to employ.
5 A Okay.
11 sense?
12 A Yeah.
15 externalities, right?
16 A Yes, ma'am.
17 Q An externality is a consequence of a
20 definition?
22 yes.
15 A Okay.
17 Line 17. And the question is, "How does the SCC
4 A I do.
24 bill.
3 utility bill.
17 A Yes, it is.
25 A For heating?
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1 Q Yes.
9 A Yes.
20 A They are.
5 patterns, no.
11 A Yes.
13 on to ratepayers?
11 our system.
15 right?
25 A I do.
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1 Q Okay. Were you involved in the
4 A Yes, ma'am.
6 A 18 months of fun.
9 Honor?
14 for identification.)
15 BY MS. OVERTURF:
17 document?
20 docket.
23 A That is correct.
2 A Yes, ma'am.
8 A I'm there.
14 that?
15 A I do.
21 BY MS. OVERTURF:
3 not be included.
8 A I'm there.
17 A Just a moment.
18 Q Uh-huh.
25 A I found it.
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1 Q Okay. So do you see that statement now
9 A No.
13 correct?
14 A Yes.
20 see that?
21 A I do.
5 its implementation.
7 A That's correct.
19 way.
18 BY MS. OVERTURF:
20 question?
21 A Please.
4 Q Okay.
9 process.
14 about it at all.
22 zero dollar cost per ton for the carbon. Those allow
4 cost.
5 A Yes.
17 Q Yes.
24 that.
14 you.
15 A Okay.
9 A Correct.
12 correct?
2 Colorado?
11 Q Okay.
13 Honor?
16 identification.)
19 BY MS. OVERTURF:
23 Minnesota?
4 comes from.
5 Q Okay.
7 left.
9 that document.
15 into evidence.
18 admitted?
9 exhibit?
17 this document.
5 this.
10 this.
17 Minnesota statute.
10 examination on it.
12 BY MS. OVERTURF:
15 provision settlements?
16 A I was not.
2 CROSS EXAMINATION
3 BY MR. DIXON:
22 object.
7 admitted.)
8 BY MR. DIXON:
25 curve, when you include that cost on the bids that are
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1 made, in the evaluation, and the fact that it could
12 A Yes.
14 A Okay.
19 please?
21 A Okay.
25 scenario chart.
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1 A On the version I have, it's on page 24.
8 A Correct.
11 that chart --
12 A Yes, sir.
16 A 21.
18 of you?
23 A Just a moment.
24 (Pause.)
25 BY MR. DIXON:
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1 Q And I am -- that's not a redacted version
5 document.)
7 BY MR. DIXON:
13 line.
11 changes. . .
3 that.
14 A Precisely.
17 A That's correct.
2 particular process.
7 A Absolutely.
12 Ms. McLauthlin.
14 EXAMINATION
15 BY MS. McLAUTHLIN:
24 Mr. Chairman?
12 A I am there.
16 A Yes.
19 end of March?
25 RFP issues?
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1 A No. The RFP -- I'm sorry. The bids
6 respond, yes.
9 or November of 2017?
11 October.
17 the RFP?
18 A Yes, ma'am.
2 Q Okay.
7 Q June of 2017?
11 A Correct.
14 A Correct.
17 A Correct.
20 A Roughly.
8 assembled.
21 Q Thank you.
8 Mr. Hill.
15 correct?
19 testimony.
13 on the system, aside from the fact that you can add
2 comments?
3 A Yes.
6 A Uh-hum.
15 ultimate decision.
19 A Yeah.
20 Q -- the company?
25 Q Okay.
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1 A So, I believe we would be happy to put a
2 time line that adds these others periods into it, that
4 is helpful.
5 Q Okay.
11 is issued?
12 A Yes, ma'am.
17 Qualifying Facilities.
18 A Okay.
20 2-222.
21 A I'm there.
24 A I do.
2 A That is correct.
4 right?
5 A Yes, it does.
7 is?
13 processing.
4 A Uh-hum.
10 A Yes, ma'am.
15 in 2019?
16 A October of 2019.
19 filing?
23 one as well.
3 A Uh-hum.
8 A Yes.
22 study.
7 Q Okay.
11 Ms. McLauthlin.
25 Thank you.
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1 CHAIRMAN ACKERMANN: Commissioner
2 Koncilja.
4 questions.
5 EXAMINATION
6 BY COMMISSIONER KONCILJA:
17 questions?
18 A Yes, ma'am.
15 recommendation?
20 50. This was the one from the filing in the net
21 metering.
22 A Yes, ma'am.
7 now?
7 or the other?
12 included, and what the range of that value may be. You
17 approach?
20 evaluation part.
24 A I'm --
15 rulemaking.
20 the time frame for it. And would you come up with
24 right now.
6 clarity.
21 A Okay.
23 Boulder unknown.
24 A Yes, ma'am.
9 gave?
21 much of a concern.
22 Q Okay.
24 questions.
2 redirect.
3 EXAMINATION
4 BY CHAIRMAN ACKERMANN:
5 customers."
11 your testimony?
3 public interest.
21 portfolio.
8 Commission to consider.
15 ERP.
11 methodology.
16 those studies?
2 A That's correct.
17 Where I was going with that, is, sitting now, with this
10 cycle.
24 that again.
3 four-year cycles.
8 alternative methodology.
8 prior years.
9 Q That's helpful.
5 in the morning.
21 Hearing.
23 for identification.)
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18 ALAN BJORK
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