Isnt ajnAna just the lack of jnAna?

Why is this ajnAna (apaprently the abhaava of jnAna) considered as a separate padartha in Madhva
Siddhanta?
Like Follow Post February 25 at 10:24am

Girish Prabhu K, Sulatha Nayak, Shanmukh K Patil and 2 others like this.

Subramanya Pai shrI Brahmaatma Dasa avare..

February 25 at 1:48pm Like

Brahmaatma Dasa Where is it specified as a separate padArtha? Madhva-siddhanta-sara does not do it. Is it specified
anywhere as a separate padArtha?

In any case, ajnAna is of two types - bhAva and abhAva. abhAva-rUpa-ajnAna means - lack of jnAna. For example,
brahma...See More

February 25 at 2:34pm Like 8

Subramanya Pai Brahmaatma Dasa Avare can you please put some more light on Jivaachchadika / paramAchchAdika ,
means what is the difference, how & in which way it effects a jeeva

February 25 at 4:20pm Like 1

Shanmukh K Patil Jeevacchaadika prevents jeeva to know himself(swaroopa), paramaachchadika prevents jeeva from
knowing paramatma(bimbaroopa)........One has to know his swaroopa through which bimba roopa is seen....aparoxa jnaana
then jeevacchadika is vanished(destroyed) and paramaachchadika is slided by shri hari(not destroyed) then moxa happens

February 25 at 4:47pm Like 8

Srikanth Shenoy Sri Brahmaatma Dasa It was my error in translation. I was referring to the ajnAna in the ashTa
kartrutva. From your description it became clear that the ajnAna in ashTakartrutva maps to bhava rupa ajnAna

February 25 at 5:29pm Edited Like 1

 Brahmaatma Dasa Yes sir... Thanks Shanmukh K Patil avare for the clarification on Jiva and paramaachchaadika.
'AchchAdana' means to cover. These words jivaachchaadika and paramAchchAdika are derived from that.

February 25 at 6:15pm Like 4

Srikanth Shenoy In ashta kartutva, since ajnAna = bhAva rUpa ajnAna = jeevachadika, could we also extrapolate and say
bandha = paramAchadika?

February 25 at 6:42pm Like 1

Brahmaatma Dasa both Achchaadakas re part of ajnAna only. bandha is karma/samsaara bandha... a consequence of
that ajnAna.

February 25 at 6:45pm Like 3

Srikanth Shenoy Copying this nice discussion on ajnAna and Bandha frmo Maadhwas forum where Sri Shanmukh K
Patil and SriBrahmaatma Dasa respnded

Q: In God's ashta kartrutva, whats the difference between ajnaana and bandha, because ajnaana itself leads to bandha.
Isn...See More

February 25 at 7:27pm Like 1

Srikanth Shenoy Sri Brahmaatma Dasa avare

A purvapaksha/samshaya to the stand that Achchaadakas are part of ajnAna is as follows :

Since we say ajnAna is part of ashTa kartRutva, it has to be created/given by the Lord.... See More

February 25 at 7:35pm Like 1

Girish Prabhu K A jiva has a total of 25 acchadanas/coverings, on him.

The first one being the iccha-avaraka of the Lord. This is anaadi and prevents the swarupa-ananda-abhivyakti of the jiva.
On top of this is linga sharira, avyakta sharira, avidya, karma, kaama, and then jivacchadika, followed by paramacchadika.
(After these, there are other Naryana rupa as avarana, then anirudha rupa..etc etc. till all other koshas and finally the stula
sharira!!)
So, to add to what Shanmukh K Patil ji mentioned: Lord destroys the jivachadika to give aparoksha to the jiva. But only sets
aside the paramcchadika. Lord brings back the covering of paramachadika at times which explains why aprokshis too go
against the Lord sometimes due to prarabdha.
Lord removes all these till linga sharira during pralaya, but keeps His iccha-avaraka (the first covering) till the next the time
 of next srushti. When the next-srushti-time comes, jivas who have gotten their linga sharira removed, but have their iccha-
avarakas, visit shveta dvipa to see Lord Vasudeva who grants the jivas moksha by removing their final avaraka which had
been prevevnting them from swarupa-ananda-abhivyakti
This may not answer Srikanth Shenoy ji's question, though!

February 25 at 8:55pm Like 3

Girish Prabhu K Brahmaatma Dasaji, Padartha sangraha mentions that 'avidya' is a dravya padartha. '..sarvaapi avidyaa
jivaashrita | pratisviki cha' (PS 1. 32) .It is also mentioned (ref: notes) that avidya is beginningless and resides in the
embodies souls in the subtle form and that jivachadika, paramchadika etc are the different kinds of avidya

February 25 at 9:13pm Like

Rajesh Menon If an aparoksha jnani commits sins it is because of Paramacchadika only. My point is does the Jnani who
has had aparoksha understand himself fully even in the succeeding births? Lets say A has aparoksha Jnanam this birth but
then gets another birth. Then will he have any recollection of having had "Bimba darshana" in succeeding births?

February 25 at 9:55pm Edited Like 1

Rajesh Menon I am not talking about Indra , who, though an aparoksha Jnani had Ajnana( or Jnana Tirodhana) by taking
an avatar as Arjuna. My point is about ordinary aparoksha Jnani who are humans

February 26 at 12:54pm Like

Shanmukh K Patil Srikanth Shenoy avare:... .......

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February 26 at 9:01pm Like 1

Shrinivas Gadiyar .
. Although an object may appear dark, it is likely bright at a frequency that humans cannot perceive.

February 26 at 9:43pm Like

 Girish Prabhu K Rajesh Menon ji, I think it is difficult to attribute just the paramacchadika alone for the aprokshis going
against the Lord. But assuming that non-devatas (ordinary humans, as mentioned by you) do not have many janmas after
aproksha, they likely remember the bimba darshana. Scholars please add.

March 1 at 8:58pm Like 1

Girish Prabhu K Just to clarify,

Avidya and andhakaara are classfied as dravya padaarthas. Avidya is 5-fold: moha, mahamoha, tamisra, andhatamisra and
tamas. In this, tamas is termed as 'ajnana' or ignorance.As mentioned by Brahmaatma Dasaji, it is bhava-rupa, (".. Av...See
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March 1 at 9:08pm Like 3