Why The Masked Arab is Masked Falsehood Makes one Bashful Does the Quran Teach the earth

was
created on a giant whale? (Final reply, and short reply to Alexander Romance)
(English isn't my first language so i might make grammatical mistakes)
Note:
It seams that Some of the masked arab fans are not careful readers, the point in this article is to address
the claim that why are many scholars cite the Whale narrative, this question is a false assumption by the
masked arab based on the following premises:

1-It dictates that Scholars must have general consensus and general agreement regarding the meaning
of the litter, which as i will demonstrate later on, that this is not the case
2-The Scholars have cited many other possible meanings to the litter, rendering the masked
arab Hypothesis to be futile.

from the above two premises we can clearly see that the masked arab question as to why many scholars
regard the Whale narrative as the only possible explanation, Or as some of his fans strawman
this question to desperately save his fallacious argument, as they put it, why do so many scholars cite the
whale narrative in their Tafsirs, as stated again, from the above two premises, this question is regarded as
a strawman on all scholars of the Tafsir, first non of them regard the whale narrative is the only
possible explanation, which means that we don't have general consensus (Ijma') regarding the Issue
second, they cite many other possible meanings

Introduction:
Honestly this has to be one of the most deceptive videos, I have ever dealt with on
YouTube, I actually couldnt believe that the masked arab (spoiler alert) has completely
left out sources that clearly puts an issue to his hypothesis, the reason why this will be
my final reply to the masked arab channel in general, is because the amount of toxic
atmosphere I sense among his fans, so far I received nothing but ad homienm attacks
and insults from them, as so far no evidence suggest that any of them will change their
mind, no credible response at all, so this will be my final reply to the masked arab one
that is also was so easy to respond to and make
of course my responses are primarily for the muslims who allegedly watch his videos as
he claim, but it's also for his fans if they wish a critical and unbiased reply

What needs to be meet:

For any case of general consensus we need Ijma of scholars on a particular issue to
provide general understanding of a specific verse, so in order for the masked arab to
make sense from his claim at least he need general consensus of scholars, any
disagreement or contradiction will thoroughly dismiss his claims as false and doesnt
hold to the merits of the reality

Issue#1:
The masked arab rambles in his video with incoherent claims that holds no merits to the
subject of the video, I shall ignore it all together and start directly at the point where he
start the video

Issue#2:
Finally @6:14 of his video he actually start his argument, this was 6 minutes of
incoherent rambling where he never addresses the main issue ahaid, but I shall start
now critiquing his video
@6:40 he cites tafsir Ibn Kathir
@6:53 he stat the following the first thing god created was the pen, he ordered it to
write, it said, what shall I write? He said: write the fate of everything, so it wrote what
will happen from that day until the day of judgement, then created the nun (whale), then
he raised the water and created the heavens with it, and laid the earth on the back of the
nun (whale), the nun (whale) moved and so did the earth, so it was fixed down with the
mountains
This is where my main issue lies down, what the masked arab did is that he dishonestly
left out the rest of the tafsir where there is a clear contradiction regarding what non is
and this story of creation, let us now use the very link and the very source used by the
masked arab to uncover this dishonesty
Infact the next contradiction is a reported narration of a hadith from the prophet
Muhammad himself, this is found in the very link to Ibn kathir Tafsir used by the masked
arab

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Translate into: [another hadith] regarding that, it was narrated from ibn askar from abi
Abdullah the master of the Banu Umayah from abi Salih from abi Huraira I heard the
prophet Muhammad said: the first thing god created was the pen, then the Nun
and its the inkwell then he said to it write, and it replied what shall I write, he said
write what will happen or what is happening from a deed or gain or mark, then it wrote
down to the day of resurrection and so it sais nun by the pen and what they write then
he sealed down on the pen and never write till the judgment day
This is quite astonishing, the masked arab clearly left out this part of the tafsir because it
clearly refute him, by now it shall be apparent that the video is refuted, we have a clear
hadith from the prophet however the issue doesnt stop there we have another alleged
narration directly from the prophet in the very tafsir used by the masked arab right on

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Translate into: Ibn Jarir said : we were told by Hasan ibn Shabib al-maktib, we were told
by Muhammad bin ziad al-jizri from furat bin abi al-furat from muawia bin qura from
his father said: the prophet said: [Nun, by the pen and what they write] its a tablet of
light and the pen is from light that write down what happens to the day of resurrection,
and that hadith is Mursal (disconnected) garib (strange) and Ibn Jarir said: I was told
that the pen is from light his length is hundred years and it was said: what he meant by
[nun] its an inkwell
We will see later on the masked arab will glorify Ibn Abbas, but what makes it so ironic
is that ibn abbas has another narration contradicting what the masked arab claims on
page 2 of the link he gave
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Translate into: god created nun and its the inkwell and Ibn Jarir said: we were told by
ibn hamid, yaqub told us, we were told by my brother isaa ibn abudllah, we were told
by thabit al-thamani From Ibn Abbas he said: god has created nun and its the inkwell

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Translate into: and others have said {nun} one of the letters of Rahman
It cant get more embarrassing than that, this is the man that the masked arab will later
on glorify as the ultimate authority in tafisr and he clearly contradict himself
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Translate into: we were told by Abdullah bin Ahmed Al-Maruzi said: we were told by Ali
bin Hussain, he said: we were told By my father, From zaid From Ibn
Abbas {al,rahm,wn} the litters of the merciful one seperated
@8:19 the masked arab criticize the translators of Qtasir website when they dont cite
the full translation of Ibn Kathir and he says like maybe they trying to hide something
from you this is very ironic, I ask now, why did you hide the rest of the tafsir that you
cited when it clearly contradict you?
@8:20 of his video he cite the English translation of Tanwir al-miqbas claiming that it
translate it accurately, but honestly I couldnt believe what he did there either, but I
believe his fans didnt noticed something strange within the English tafsir he cited, the
full text of the tafsir is as follows
And from his narration on the authority of Ibn 'Abbas that he said regarding the
interpretation of Allah's saying (Nun): '(Nun) He says: Allah swears by the Nun, which is
the whale that carries the earths on its back while in Water, and beneath which is the
Bull and under the Bull is the Rock and under the Rock is the Dust and none knows what
is under the Dust save Allah. The name of the whale is Liwash, and it is said its name is
Lutiaya'; the name of the bull is Bahamut, and some say its name is Talhut or Liyona. The
whale is in a sea called 'Adwad, and it is like a small bull in a huge sea. The sea is in a
hollowed rock whereby there is 4,000 cracks, and from each crack water springs out to
the earth. It is also said that Nun is one of the names of the Lord; it stands for the letter
Nun in Allah's name al-Rahman (the Beneficent); and it is also said that a Nun is an
inkwell. (By the pen) Allah swore by the pen. This pen is made of light and its
height is equal to the distance between Heaven and earth. It is with this pen that the
Wise Remembrance, i.e. the Guarded Tablet, was written. It is also said that the pen is
one of the angels by whom Allah has sworn, (and that which they write (therewith)) and
Allah also swore by what the angels write down of the works of the children of Adam,[6]
The masked arab yet again claims this translation mentions the whale, but if we read
carefully as you can see in the highlighted text with bold and underline, this says that
there is other meanings of nun, I didnt manipulate anything here, you can go directly to
the website or click on the masked arab link yourself, I was honestly shocked when I
noticed none of his fans pointed out such error, is this how gullible they are? Is this how
myopic they are? Couldnt they notice this direct contradiction within the source cited
by the masked arab?

so as we can see , scholars are not clear about the actual meaning of the letter, and they
contradict themselves regarding the meaning

Issue#3:
@10:07 he cites tafsir Al-jalalain to accommodate his hypothesis that early muslims
believed the earth is flat, not only this is a red herring fallacy and has nothing to do with
the topic of whale nun in the quran but let us address it anyways, the problem here is
that this Tafsir is very late, right after the discovery of the sun being larger, even al-
jalalain himself admit to the discovery of the astronauts, yet he disapprove it, his tafsir is
very late, notice how in his video regarding the Quran claiming that the sun sits in a
murky water he tries to cite the earliest tafsirs to claim that the verse is literal, which I
addressed in my previous articles, however let us see what the earliest scholars of tafsir
said about this verse
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Translate into: {and the earth how it was spreaded out } meaning how it was expanded
and made it vast extended, and if he did now do that, then living in it and benefiting
from it will be impossible
Translate into: we were told by bashir he said: zaid told us from Qutada {and the earth
how it was spreaded out] meaning extend and he said: cant the one who created this
can create what he want in paradise?
According to Qurtubi

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Translate into: [and the earth how it was spreaded out] meaning it was spreaded out
and extended
So as we can see the overwhelmingly majority of classical scholars agree that the verse
is referring to the earth on its proto state being spread out, NON of them suggest a flat,
earth, why did the masked arab used a very late tafsir that was even written after the
discovery of round earth? This is rather a perplexing and quite honestly a dishonest
tactic, but his claim that this tafsir in Arabic says Ulama agreed on flat earth is still worth
addressing, at no point does al-jalalain claim ijma of scholars he merely point out that
there are scholars who claimed a flat earth, interestingly
According to Ibn Hazim in his book al fasil fi al malal wa al ahwa wa al nahil
Under chapter (the evidence for the spherical shape of earth) he state the following:
Abu Muhammad said: and that is when we inshallah in mentioning some of what they
objected to and that is that they said that evidence suggest that the earth is spherical,
and the majority agree on that
This is ibn hazim who died at 456 hijri
Interestingly enough Ibn Taymia state the following narration:
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Translate into: and he asked may Allah have mercy on him about two men were arguing
on the shape of the sky and earth, are they spherical? One of them said they are spherical
and the other denied it and said: it has no origin so what is the correct one?: he said: the
sky is spherical according to all Islamic scholars and it was said that the scholars had
general consensus (ijma) regarding the issue except for one of them: like abi Hussain
ahman bin jafar al munadi one of the old ones from the second level one of the
companions of imam ahmad and he has over 400 volume, and the general consensus
(ijma) was told by imam abu Muhammad Ibn hazim and abu alfarag ibn juzi, and the
ulama narrated that with authentic sanad from the sahabah and the followers and they
argued that from the book of god and the Sunnah of his prophet, and made it simply with
empirical evidence, and it was also made accurate with mathematical evidence, and I
dont know any of the will known scholars of islam who denied that except a small
minority of the people of rumors when they debated the Astrologers they said that its
possible: they said it can be rectangle or six sided shaped or anything but that and they
didnt deny that it was spherical but they said its possible that its not and I never
knew anyone who said its not spherical except those who are ignorant
But this last one is the nail in the coffin for the masked arab
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Translate into: and Imam Abu Hussaid Ahmed Ibn Jafar bin Munadi, from the notable
famous scholars by knowing the marks and the categories of old ones in the religious
arts from the second level from the companions of Ahmed said: there is no difference
between the scholars on the shape of the sphere..
He said: and they also had general consensus (ijma of all scholars) that earth with
all of its movements from land to sea are like that of a sphere, he said :and its
evident that the sun the moon and the stars doesnt appear on all corners of earth except
in one time, but only in sun rise and sunsets

Issue#4:
@10:50 for a man who claim to be over 30 years old, this so called ex muslim start yet
another conversation with an imaginary character of his on to much all muslims who
question him, although I can ignore this point all together and save me some space in
this article and some brain cells I will address it anyways @11:05 he state to his
imaginary character can you leave these classy playground insults behind? this is very
ironic as the majority of his video was nothing but classy playground insults
First his imaginary character claims these hadith are not authentic, I have never seen a
single apologetic who make such claim regarding these tafsirs @11:24 the masked arab
cite a hadith from the prophet however this hadith is yet again contradicted by another
hadith from the prophet please read it under issue#2
@1148 the masked arab cites Islam QA as a reply to anyone who claim that there is
variations and other meanings regarding nun, however if we read the website in
question, the questioner was specifically asking about the whale meaning, so of course it
will logically follow that the author of the website will address the meaning of the whale
exclusively
This was the question of the questioner in the website:
I came across a report which says that the earth is placed on the back of a bull, and
when the bull moves its head, earthquakes happen. I think that I saw this in Ibn Katheer
(2/39 and 1/50). Can you explain this?[12]
As we can see the question I directly addressing one of the meanings driven directly to
the whale(or rather bull here)one, so it will not be logical for the scholar of this website
to address the other possible meanings of the word
However I do have found a website that directly address the verse in question and give
the general meaning of the verse
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Translate into: and it was said: and what god said by [nun] is inkwell, and pen: pen ibn
jarir said:
We were told by abdullala, we were told by ibn thor, from muamar, from hassan, from
Qutada {nun} they said its the inkwell
And it was said that this hadith is marfu garib, so ibn abi hatim said:
We were told by my father, we were told by hisham ibn khalid, we were told by al hasan
bin yihya, we were told by abudullah master of banu Umayah, from abi Salih from Abi
Huraira said: I heard the prophet said: and allah created nun and its the inkwell
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Translate into: and Ibn Jarir said: we were told by Ibn Hamid, we were told by Yaqub,
we were told by my brother Isa bin Abdullah, we were told by thabit Al-timali, from Ibn
Abbas said: Allah Created Nun and its the inkwell

Issue#5:
@13:33 the masked arab cites a hadith from the prophet where he glorify Ibn abbas,
ironically as I showed above Ibn Abbas contradicted himself from claiming the meaning
of nun being the whale to an inkwell, we havent even touched on the other meanings
cited in the tafsirs such as nun being a tablet of light and being one of the names of god
however this irrational citation of the hadith by the masked arab seems to suggest that
he is claiming that muslims should take the Quran and Tafsir from Ibn Abbas, we
actually happen to have a Hadith where the prophet give 4 names where we are
supposedly should take out Quran from
Narrated Masruq:
`Abdullah bin Masud was mentioned before `Abdullah bin `Amr who said, "That is a man
I still love, as I heard the Prophet saying 'Learn the recitation of Qur'an from four from
`Abdullah bin Mas`ud -- he started with him--Salim, the freed slave of Abu Hudaifa,
Mu`adh bin Jabal and Ubai bin Ka`b."[14]
but the problem here is that as we saw Early Ibn Abbas contradict himself by providing
several meanings to Nun
As we can see at no point does the hadith cited by the masked arab claims that we
should take the tafsir or the quran from Ibn abbas, we actual have a hadith from the
prophet where he suggest 4 people to learn Quran from
We finally leave the imaginary conversation between his imaginary character and him

Issue#5:
@14:27 the masked arab cites a tafsir by shaia scholars, although Im not of shia
background I can easily ignore this one but I will address it anyways, this tafsir does
somehow suggest another whale narrative, but the masked arab was so dishonest so
deceptive he didnt show the other tafsirs of the Shias that suggest another meaning to
nun, this is tafsir Al-Qummi
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Translate into: (in the name of god the most beneficent the most merciful, nun by the
pen and what they write, You are not, [O Muhammad], by the favor of your Lord, a
madman.) said I was told by my father from ibn abi umair from Abdullah abudllrahman
from abi abudllah said: I asked him regarding nun and the pen he said :god created the
pen from a tree in heaven named al-kulid then he said to a river in heaven then it was
frozen and was whiter than snow and more beautiful and soft then he said to the pen
write down, the pen answered what shall I write? He said write down what will happen
to the day of judgment then the pen wrote down on a piece of leather more white than
sliver and more pure than Sapphire
As we can so we can see even Shia sources contradict each other in terms of meaning,
this is Tafsir Al-Qummi one of the most will respected Tafsir of the shia
@15:40 the masked arab cites another verse where nun is appeared to be cited,
however I myself couldnt believe this deceptive step, let us be clear this so called wale
has different wording in chapter 68:1 its worded as following
As this simple, just a letter, however at 21:87 the masked arab cites another whale story
apparent that its has the same whale, but this is a different wording which is prescribed
as follows
Let us compare them now, the so called first wale vs. the new whale can you
spot the difference?
The other problem with this is that this is a fallacious argument, its the fallacy of
nonsequitur, it doesnt logically follows that Nun (litter) being a whale evident by Nun
(name) in verse 21:87 Notice how the masked arab was so deceptive not to cite the
Arabic source, if he does the clear difference in name between the two whales in
question will cast doubt to his hypothesis, my question now why didnt the masked arab
showed a screenshot of the Arabic version of this verse?

The Alexander the Great Narrative in his video:

Since this is going to be my final reply to this polemicist I would like to take full
advantage of this article length and make a very short rebuttal to his video regarding the
similarities between Alexander the Great romance and the Quran, the issue lies in
Alexander Romance on the Syriac I would like to leave you with this academic refutation
to his video[16] [17] [18] its imperative we understand at what age the Syriac
translation of Alexander romance was written compared to the Quranic revelation, so
according to the masked arab childish logic, the Quran borrows from a source written a
century or two centuries after it was revealed, can anyone take this logic seriously?

However when I was reading through the manuscript used by the masked arab I came
across in the preference of the author a striking claim where he said the Syriac text is
edited from five manuscripts, the oldest of which was written about one hundred and
eighty years ago [19]
The Author doesnt stop there he continues on citing
the short introduction of this edition of the Syriac version of pseudo-Callisthenes I have
made few remarks on some of the versions of the Alexander story based on careful
works of favre, Muller, Zacher, Berger de Xivery, Spiegel and others the Persian version
of the story I have not attempted to describe for I have no knowledge of the language,
though late (900-1300), they seem to me to be considerable importance for they in all
probability represent Arabic originals which are no longer extant similarly I have not
tried to discuss the story from folk-lor point of view[20]

Later on the author used by the masked arab state the following statement regarding the
Syriac version, this shall be the final nail in the coffin for his video
when the Syriac translation was made I am Unable to say; but I believe that we may
assign it to some period between the seventh and the ninth centurieshe believed
that the Syriac version was Pseudo-Callisthenes was made from Arabic translation of
Greek origin and placed the making of the work much later than I have done,
namely in the tenth century
..an older Syriac translation may have appeared in the sixth century, about the time
when the first Syriac translation of Kalilag we-Damnag was made; I do not however,
see any evidence in the Syriac translation of Pseudo-Callisthenes which we have
before us sufficient to justify us in assigning the work to that early period[21]

So its apparent that this work is very late the author himself the Syriac ant the Persian
verse
This is imperative as he says I do not however, see any evidence in the Syriac
translation of Pseudo-Callisthenes which we have before us sufficient to justify us in
assigning the work to that early period this is a reference to the translation we have in
our hands, and he is saying that there is no evidence to justify the claim that it was as
early as the sixth century
This is the man the masked arab is using, and the masked arab was so dishonest he
didnt fully read the book and presented the preference and the detail examination to
the Syriac version
This is not me bringing some other work, Im quote the sole authority the masked arab is
quoting directly, as he puts the Syriac version right between 7th to 10th century, other
scholars as noted in the links I provided have made the agreement that its either from
the 8th century of 9th century
Which shows some scholars to have disagreement among each other regarding the date
of the manuscript but one thing we know for sure that it didnt predate the recording
time where the Quran was revealed
So according to the masked arab logic, the quran is borrowing from sources that are
written later after the reveal of the quran
According to Theodore Noldeke the Quranic chapter 18 (the chapter associated with
Alexander romance is a Mecca surah, he puts it around the fifth or the sixth year of his
mission[22] that puts it right around 615 or 616
According to Richard Stoneman, Kyle Erickson, Ian Richard in their book The Alexander
Romance in Persia and the East
Alexander romance of Pseudo-Callisthenes into Syriac around 600 ad possibly through
a Pahlavi intermediary, shortly afterwards between 628 and 636 the apocalyptic
Christian Syriac Alexander legend and the homily were composed[23]

Can anyone take this poor excuse of a research seriously?

For more thorough refutations to the myth of the Quran borrowing from Alexander
Romance please read the links I cited to Islamic awareness website

FINAL CONCLUSION

The masked arab has deceptively left out the other meanings of nun in the
tafsiers he cited and quoted out of context, he deceived his gullible fans who
have not paid attention to the English tafsir where it clearly give other
meanings, he glorified Ibn Abbas but as we saw even Ibn Abbas contradicted
himself, he cites a Quranic verse regarding flat earth when this is a red herring
fallacy and has nothing to do with our topic, but he cited deceptively tafsir Al-
jalalain regarding the flat earth claiming that in the arab version Al-Jalalain
claim that scholars had general consensus ijma' when he clearly never made
such claim, and he deceptively avoided all classical tafsirs that clearly refuting his
hypothesis, he cites a shia tafsir to accommodate his propaganda yet he left
out all the other shia tafsirs that contradict his, he cited IslamQA to allegedly
preemptively respond to possible muslims criticism when at no point does
the website denie the other meanings of the word, he cited Quranic chapter
21:87 were a whale by the name of Nun (in a form of a name not letter) to
associate it with the whale of 68:1 claiming that sense this whale is similar in
name to nun in 68:1 it's highly possible that nun (the litter) actually means the
whale, this is nonsequitror