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05-10-2012, 08:04 PM #1
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Condenser fan motor faster rpm than OEM

I just wanted to know exactly how that effects
performance. Well I know that it will subcool the
liquid more and cause the level to rise in
condenser coil reducing the section used for Why HVAC Should Own the Connected Home
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Originally Posted by burkmech

I just wanted to know exactly how that
effects performance. Well I know that it
will subcool the liquid more and cause the
level to rise in condenser coil reducing the
section used for condensing super heated
refrigerant. So that would cause the super
heat out of the compressor to increase.
Would it cause amp draw to go up and
discharge temp out of compressor?
You're saying that more airflow causes stacking in
a condensor lowering effective condenser surface
area which would increase disharge pressure.
That statement is contradicting
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05-10-2012, 08:40 PM #4
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Consider the following:
The capacity of the system is directly affected by

the airflow across the condenser.
Rated Capacity= ~36000BTUH

Outdoor Temperature = 95F
Condenser Discharge Air = 102F
Delta T = 7
Condenser Airflow = 4820CFM
BTUH = Delta T X CFM X 1.08
BTUH = 7 X 4820 X 1.08
BTUH = 36439
When the speed of the condenser fan motor is

increased or decreased it will change the
condenser CFM and directly impact the capacity of
the unit.
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keep in mind that HP requirements go up to the

CUBE of the RPM requirements...
if you change an 825 motor and put in a 1075,

your HP load will move from 1/6th to 1/2... with
the same blade. and the noise level will go up
dramatically in the unit.
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05-10-2012, 10:08 PM #6
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It is 245 rpm faster. original motor is 830rpm and

the replacement is 1075rpm. Also in response to
commtech77 if more air is cooling the condensed
liquid refrigerant more would it cause that section
of that part of the condenser to occupy more of
the condenser in return reducing the section that
is used for condendsing refrigerant out of the
compressor.
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05-10-2012, 10:12 PM #7
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Also my amp draw was at the rated amps. Im

curious at specifically how it affect the
performance of the unit. Also if what i posted is
totally off the mark.
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05-10-2012, 10:19 PM #8
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jpsmith1cm where would i get a hold of the

information to find out if the blade can handle the
motor or vise versa. Is it a formula or is there a
chart of some sort?
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Originally Posted by burkmech

It is 245 rpm faster. original motor is
830rpm and the replacement is 1075rpm.
Also in response to commtech77 if more
air is cooling the condensed liquid
refrigerant more would it cause that
section of that part of the condenser to
occupy more of the condenser in return
reducing the section that is used for
condendsing refrigerant out of the
compressor.
I think your saying that more air flow will cause a

rise in the level of liquid in the
condenser. No, overcharging will cause a rise in
liquid levels in the condensor resulting in high
discharge pressures.
Increasing fan speed arbitrarily could cause

detrimental effects on unit operation especially
during mild temperatures by lowering the
refrigerant rate through the metering device and
increasing superheat and reducing oil return.
Plus you're probably going to eat a few motors in

the process.
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05-11-2012, 05:48 AM #10
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The increase in RPM may or may not increase air

flow through the condenser. Centrifugal force
plays a big roll in it also. So your air flow may be
the same, less, or more.
That motor may end up having a short life span.
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05-11-2012, 06:14 AM #11
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Motor will likely overheat and shut down.
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Thanks for the information guys it's greatly

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Originally Posted by vstech

keep in mind that HP requirements go up
to the CUBE of the RPM requirements...
if you change an 825 motor and put in a
1075, your HP load will move from 1/6th

to 1/2... with the same blade. and the
noise level will go up dramatically in the
unit.
^^this^^ Going from a 8 pole to a 6 pole motor
will dramatically increase HP requirement. If you
went up to a 1/2 HP motor airflow would
INCREASE having the same effect as lower
outdoor temps. However, the higher power motor
would negate any savings.. There is a reason
manufacturers choose the motor they do...
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Originally Posted by burkmech

That statement is contradicting

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Consider the following:

The capacity of the system is directly affected by

Rated Capacity= ~36000BTUH

When the speed of the condenser fan motor is

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keep in mind that HP requirements go up to the

if you change an 825 motor and put in a 1075,

The TRUE highest cost system is the system not

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It is 245 rpm faster. original motor is 830rpm and

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Originally Posted by burkmech

I think your saying that more air flow will cause a

Increasing fan speed arbitrarily could cause

Plus you're probably going to eat a few motors in

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The increase in RPM may or may not increase air

That motor may end up having a short life span.

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Motor will likely overheat and shut down.

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