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Posted: Aug 7, 2009 08:55 am

pete 0

Im writing a book (only in nnish language, sorry) and it will include my thougts and routine
of Clip line. Original is from Albert Spackman and it can be found from many books and
videos.

My question is, what was the rst book or magazine where Clip line was published and when?
Loyal user
Finland I also would like to know is there many different versions out there. Im familiar with Richard
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Osterlinds version but is there any others?

I ask because I want to give as much credits as possible.

Thanks

Pete
Posted: Aug 7, 2009 09:14 am
Gideon 0

"The Gen" vol. 20 number 6 (October 1964)site 146.

The title was "Newspaper Test by Albert Spackman".

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Posted: Aug 7, 2009 09:25 am

Stefmagic 0

Quote:

On 2003-06-26 11:06, ddyment wrote:

The original version of what is commonly called "Clip Line" was by
 Al Spackman (in Gen, 1964), and exists in the literature in many
versions, such as that (#33 "The Want Ad Test") in Karl Fulves'
inexpensive Self-Working Mental Magic. As such, it has been widely
exposed, and although the original version is still a good one, you
run the risk of more astute audience members being aware of it.
Special user
518 Posts Subsequently, there have been considerably more sophisticated
versions. It is, for example, extensively discussed in Al Mann's Super
Clip Line Plus. Richard Osterlind's Dynamic Mysteries has a whole
chapter on his version. Roy Miller has an excellent gaffed version on
the market (this is the one used by Chuck Hickok in his Mentalism,
Incorporated), and Gary Lee Williams has published (in Stephen
Minch's Spectacle) one that will fool all the magicians who think
they know it.

... Doug

Posted: Aug 7, 2009 09:27 am

Greg Arce 0

Jay Sankey has some work on this also as does Raymond Carlyle.

Greg
One of my favorite quotes: "A critic is a legless man who teaches running."
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Posted: Aug 7, 2009 09:29 am

pete 0

Thank you guys.

Pete

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Posted: Aug 7, 2009 09:30 am

Stefmagic 0

Quote:

On 2009-08-07 10:25, Stefmagic wrote:

Quote:

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On 2003-06-26 11:06, ddyment wrote:
The original version of what is commonly
called "Clip Line" was by Al Spackman (in Gen,
1964), and exists in the literature in many
versions, such as that (#33 "The Want Ad
Test") in Karl Fulves' inexpensive Self-Working
Mental Magic. As such, it has been widely
exposed, and although the original version is
still a good one, you run the risk of more
astute audience members being aware of it.
 Subsequently, there have been considerably
more sophisticated versions. It is, for
example, extensively discussed in Al Mann's
Super Clip Line Plus. Richard Osterlind's
Dynamic Mysteries has a whole chapter on his
version. Roy Miller has an excellent gaffed
version on the market (this is the one used by
Chuck Hickok in his Mentalism, Incorporated),
and Gary Lee Williams has published (in
Stephen Minch's Spectacle) one that will fool
all the magicians who think they know it.

... Doug

Also can be found in "Minds for Close-up" by Jack Yates (1954)

Posted: Aug 8, 2009 03:27 pm
ChuckHickok 0

My clip line effect - called SNIPPER - that Doug mentioned allows the performer to customize
the newspaper article so the forced line, sentence or word can be changed each show to
reinforce a message the client wants ... or to force anything you want. No other version of clip
line gives you this much control over the newspaper article.

Loyal user More info at: http://www.chuckhickok.com/tools.html

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It takes 60 seconds to customize the article --- which is then printed on real newsprint.

Fair, simple and amazing. Sorry for plugging my own products, but this one is excellent.

Chuck
Posted: Aug 8, 2009 03:33 pm
eSamuels 0

Chuck, the photo for Snipper shows the program on a 3 1/2 diskette. No longer have a 3.5
drive on my PC....is this available on another format (CD)?

Thanks,
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Posted: Aug 8, 2009 03:56 pm
ChuckHickok 0

Yes ... old photo ... The customizable newspaper articles (there are two) come on a Disc (as
pictured), a cd, or I can e-mail the Word document.to anyone who doesn't have either of those
capabilities on their computer.

Chuck
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Posted: Aug 8, 2009 04:33 pm

pete 0

Thank you Chuck. Your version sounds great.

Pete
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Posted: Aug 8, 2009 04:57 pm

Richard 0
Paddon
Chuck's SNIPPER is great. Highly recommended. It's so versatile and easy to use.

Richard

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Posted: Aug 10, 2009 12:35 pm

Dick Christian 0

Quote:

On 2009-08-07 10:14, Gideon wrote:

"The Gen" vol. 20 number 6 (October 1964)site 146.
Inner circle
Northern Virginia The title was "Newspaper Test by Albert Spackman".
(Metro DC)
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Actually, the rst reference to "Clip Line" that I have found in print is "Clip Line" by Jack Yates
in "Minds In Close-up" published by Supreme Magic in 1954 and probably inspired by Will De
Sieves venerable Clippo effect. It predates Spackman by a decade.

In addition to the other references in this thread, Mark Edwards version, Clear Cut Choice
appeared in "Syzygy Vol. 2, No. 1" (1995).

"Clip Line" and its descendants are all described in the chapter on Newspaper & Want Ad Tests
this is included in the "Encyclopedia of Forcing Books & Book Tests" that I am compiling with
a goal of publication by the end of 2011.

"Clippo," the cut and restored paper trick which may well have inspired "Clip Line" and its
subsequent variations was itself based on Kolars Magic Shears which adapted Ching Ling
Foos Master Tape Mystery for use with strips of paper instead of cloth. Kolar showed his
effect to Harlan Tarbell who, in turn, showed it to Frakson and it was ultimately marketed by
De Sieve (see Tarbell Course in Magic, Volume 5).
Dick Christian
Posted: Aug 10, 2009 12:37 pm
Tim Hannig 0

I use Snipper and love it.

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Posted: Aug 10, 2009 01:21 pm

pete 0

Again thank you. This information is very interesting.

Does anyone know why Albert Spackmans name is behind the clip line if his version published
ten years after the original one and with a different name?

Loyal user Pete

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Posted: Aug 10, 2009 01:26 pm

Matthew 0
Townsend
I honestly didn't think people still used this effect. maybe its something I need to re visit.

I know of jay Sankeys handling which I am nbot a huge fan of. Ill have a good look into the
other references mentioned here.
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Posted: Aug 10, 2009 03:10 pm
Dick Christian 0

Quote:

On 2009-08-10 14:21, pete wrote:

Again thank you. This information is very interesting.
Inner circle
Northern Virginia
(Metro DC) Does anyone know why Albert Spackmans name is behind the clip
2623 Posts line if his version published ten years after the original one and with
a different name?

Pete

Pete,

Can't say for sure, but the literature of magic is replete with numerous cases of the same or
similar effects appearing in various sources and attributed to different originators. Sometimes
it is a case of true "independent creation," other times unwitting (e.g., published by someone
who doesn't recall that they saw it before and honestly believes they invented it themselves)
or, sadly, willful copying or adapting the original and publishing it sans attribution/credit to the
true originator. Often a slightly nuanced version or adaptation is considered by the adapter to
be a "new" effect and published/marketed as such. Just how different an adaptation has to be
in order to qualify as a "new" effect is certainly open to question and is often hotly debated. In
my research on forcing books and book tests I've come across scores, if not hundreds, of
examples that fall into one or the other such categories.
Dick Christian
Posted: Aug 10, 2009 03:29 pm
pete 0

Thanks Dick. I get a lot of good material for my book. Its always nice to tell some history how
that routine and effect has born.
 And if someone has something to add. Please, let me know. Just PM me or put it here.

Pete

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