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Atheism / Agnosticism – Logical?1

My main thesis is to judge the statements made by these two belief systems by the same logical rules that
apply to all statements made about reality. When a statement is made (i.e., “God does not exist”) about
the nature of reality it is in effect stating itself to be true over other definitions about reality (i.e., “God
exists”). Obviously both cannot be true at the same time, and both must stand under its own weight.
What I mean to say is that when making a statement, that statement cannot self-refute itself; otherwise it
would logically be incoherent. The law of non-contradiction is simply this: “‘A’ cannot be both ‘non-A’
and ‘A’ at the same time.” In the words of professor J. P. Moreland (Ph.D., Univ. of Southern
California):

“When a statement fails to satisfy itself (i.e., to conform to its own criteria of validity or
acceptability), it is self-refuting…. Consider some examples. ‘I cannot say a word in English’ is
self-refuting when uttered in English. ‘I do not exist’ is self-refuting, for one must exist to utter it.
The claim ‘there are no truths’ is self-refuting. If it is false, then it is false. But is it is true, then it
is false as well, for in that case there would be no truths, including the statement itself.”2

I wish to give an example taken from pantheism that shows how this relates to our experience. According
to pantheism, there is no reality except the all-encompassing God. Everything else, meaning material
things (i.e., train, floor mat, your arm, etc.), is an illusion (maya). This however is a nonsensical
statement that is logically self-refuting. If everything is illusion, then those making that statement are
themselves illusions. There’s a real problem here. As Norman Geisler (Ph.D., Loyola University of
Chicago) pointed out, “One must exist in order to affirm that he does not exist.” 3 When we claim that
there is no reality except the all-encompassing God, we are proving just the opposite. The fact that we
exist to make the claim demonstrates that there is a reality distinct from God, which makes this key
doctrine of pantheism a self-defeating proposition. It is an untruth by definition.4

This same problem applies to atheism and agnosticism, as will be shown later. Atheism also involves a
logical fallacy known as a universal negative. There are numerous logical problems inherent in the
atheists belief system, one will be quickly considered here. The declaration, “There is no God,” for
instance, is unfounded. I realize that only some atheists explicitly state that there is no God, however, all
atheists believe it. Logically speaking (the rules that govern logical and coherent thought) this assertion
cannot be defended by any from the atheistic position.

Observe the irrationality of the atheistic premise. The only way for the atheist to be absolutely certain that
there is no God is for the atheist to know everything about reality. In order to maintain the premise,
“there is no God,” the atheist must have total knowledge of all reality. He must know all facts and
realities of existence. This would imply that an atheist must have a knowledge which only God could
posses. He must posses infinite knowledge throughout time, be everywhere at the same time and be
absolutely sure of everything. Theirs is not a statement made on facts (i.e., observation), since one would
actually have to be God to claim this. Such a statement is based only on assumption or faith, not on the
facts. Herein lies the dilemma, as Ron Rhodes (Th.D. & Th.M., Dallas Theological Seminary) makes so
clear:

Some atheists categorically state that there is no God, and all atheists, by definition, believe it.
And yet, this assertion is logically indefensible. A person would have to be omniscient and
omnipresent to be able to say from his own pool of knowledge that there is no God. Only
someone who is capable of being in all places at the same time - with a perfect knowledge of all
1
Questions? You can reach me at: seang200@hotmail.com
2
J. P. Moreland, Scaling the Secular City: A Defense of Christianity. Grand Rapids, Michigan: Baker Books (1987), p. 92.
3
Norman Geisler, Christian Apologetics. Grand Rapids, Michigan: Baker Books (1976), p. 187.
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The above is from my paper, “Reincarnation.”
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that is in the universe - can make such a statement based on the facts. To put it another way, a
person would have to be God in order to say there is no God. This point can be forcefully
emphasized by asking the atheist if he has ever visited the Library of Congress in Washington
D.C. Mention that the library presently contains over 70 million items (books, magazines,
journals, etc.). Also point out that hundreds of thousands of these were written by scholars and
specialists in the various academic fields. Then ask the following question: “What percentage of
the collective knowledge recorded in the volumes in this library would you say are within your
own pool of knowledge and experience?” The atheist will likely respond, “I don't know. I guess a
fraction of one percent.” You can then ask: “Do you think it is logically possible that God may
exist in the 99.9 percent that is outside your pool of knowledge and experience?” Even if the
atheist refuses to admit the possibility, you have made your point and he knows it.5

This does not mean that everyone will accept the evidence or this argument; however, to reject it is to
reject formal logic and the rules of thought. By doing so, one would undermine his or her own argument
from which their position is starting from, that is, reason. Philosopher William Lane Craig (Ph.D., Univ.
of Birmingham; Ph.D., Univ. Munchen), probably one of the finest Christian theist debaters around,
rightly notes, “Atheism is a claim to know something (‘There is no God’) just as much as theism (‘There
is a God’). Therefore, it can claim no presumption when the evidence is equal.”6 You see, the atheist
believes in life with no real meaning. By faith he believes there is no God and without any evidence he
believes the universe was uncreated. He believes in morality with no absolutes. It is a journey without a
destiny. So when a person says, “you cannot prove God and I cannot disprove God, this is why I don’t
believe,” the weight of that decision should err on what gives life more meaning. Mark Twain put it best
when he said, “It is amazing what a man will believe as long as it is not in the Bible.” From a logical
point of view it is impossible to disprove God:

• Premise 1: The statement “God does not exist” is a universal negative;

• Premise 2: But in principle it is impossible to prove a universal negative;
• Conclusion: Therefore atheism is false.7

Atheism falls into the category of what logicians call “self-refuting statements.” In reality the atheist
must be omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent, in which case the atheist must become God in order
to prove there is no God. In fact, he has to become the very God he is seeking to disprove. But the
atheist says there is no God, so how could he argue his position? There is no way by which he could
defend his case. Consider the analogy: In order for me to affirm that there is no pin in your room, I must
examine every space in your room. Then I could conclude there is no pin in your room. It would be
meaningless to assert there is no pin in your room when I only have a limited knowledge of your room.

No one knows enough to be an atheist; therefore, there is no logical ground to claim such! Atheism, then,
is logically impossible! An honest atheist must admit he is wrong and become an agnostic. The basis by
which the atheist proclaims his faith is empty and he or she has no foundation, rationality, or epistemology
for his denial of God. The atheist is committed to a set of beliefs, which makes the atheist – by faith –
believe atheism to be true. He offers no evidence for his beliefs but merely imagines that there is no God,
only because God is outside of his frame of thinking. The atheist mind-set is adequately illustrated in an
analogy employed by the famous scientist Sir Arthur Eddington.

He spoke of a fisherman who argued from his experience with a particular net, “no
creature of the sea is less than two inches long.” The people did not believe it: they

5
From an online article found at: http://home.earthlink.net/~ronrhodes/Atheism.html
6
William Lane Craig, The Existence of God and the Beginning of the Universe. San Bernardino: Here’s Life (1979), p. 32.
7
Steve Kumar, Christianity for Skeptics. Peabody, Massachusetts: Hendrickson (2000), p. 73.
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affirmed that a great number of sea creatures were shorter than two inches and simply
slipped through the holes in his net. But the fisherman was unconvinced, he simply
insisted, “what my net can’t catch ain’t fish,” and went on accusing his opponents of
having a pre-scientific, medieval, and metaphysical bias. He confines God to a particular
point of reference and defines him out of existence. The net which the atheist habitually
uses is hopelessly deficient – what I cannot see does not exist. Whatever does not fit into
his view of reality (naturalism – the reductionist view which insists that all reality is just
matter and excludes the supernatural) is meaningless. His blind faith in naturalism will
not allow anything supernatural, transcendent, and metaphysical, thus subverting the
question before it is asked.8

A clear example of this appeared in the classic debate between Bertrand Russell and Frederick Copleston.
Russell, arguing from a naturalistic base, insisted that God was a meaningless proposition outside
empirical verification. Copleston gave a fitting response that merits our attention:

“The proposition that metaphysical terms are meaningless seems to me to be a proposition based
on an assumed philosophy. The dogmatic position behind it seems to be this: ‘What will not go
into my machine is non-existent, or it is meaningless.’”9

The atheist in reality is engaged in explaining and defining God out of existence. The atheist (or,
philosophical naturalist) cannot allow the possibility of a theistic world, the existence of God is ruled out
a priori,10 and any discussion about his being, nature or behavior is futile; in other words, the naturalist
(atheist) pronounces the answer before he asks the question.11 I will illustrate with a mock conversation
between a science professor and a student:

Professor: “Miracles are impossible Sean, don’t you know science has disproven them, how
could you believe in them [i.e., answered prayer, a man being raised from the dead, etc.].”
Student: “for clarity purposes I wish to get some definitions straight. Would it be fair to say that
science is generally defined as ‘the human activity of seeking natural explanations for what we
observe in the world around us’?”
Professor: “Beautifully put, that is the basic definition of science in every text-book I read
through my Doctoral journey.”
Student: “Wouldn’t you also say that a good definition of a miracle would be ‘an event in nature
caused by something outside of nature’?”
Professor: “Yes, that would be an acceptable definition of ‘miracle.’”
Student: “But since you do not believe that anything outside of nature exists,12 you are ‘forced’ to
conclude that miracles are impossible.”13

So an honest “atheist” would realize that his position is philosophical / presuppositional14, and not
rationally nor logically defensible. Plato was right, “atheism is a disease of the soul before it is an error
of the mind.” Another syllogistic example is in order before we go on to deal with agnosticism. The
atheist can be shown that his starting point – presupposition – interferes with how he views evidence;
much like the above example, biased philosophy is the guiding force rather than systematic investigation:
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Ibid., p. 76.
9
John Hick, The Existence of God. New York: Macmillan (1964), p.p. 170-171.
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a priori – existing in the mind prior to and independent of experience.
11
John Blanchard, Does God Believe in Atheist?. Darlington, England: Evangelical Press (2000), p. 33.
12
Materialism, dialectical materialism, empiricism, existentialism, naturalism, and humanism – whatever you wish to call it.
13
Norman L. Geisler & Peter Bocchino, Unshakeable Foundations: Contemporary Answers to Crucial Questions About the
Christian Faith. Minneapolis, Minnesota: Bethany House (2001), pp. 63-64.
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presuppose – to suppose or assume beforehand; take for granted in advance.
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Premise: Since there is no God,

Conclusion: all theistic proofs are invalid.
Premise: Since the theistic proofs are invalid,
Conclusion: there is no God.15

What about agnosticism, does the belief that one cannot ultimately know anything about God hold up to
rational and logical thought? Before going any further, I should define the two different types of
agnostics:

Agnosticism: The state of not-knowing whether there is a God or not. The humble [soft] agnostic
says that he doesn’t know whether there is a God. The less humble [hard] agnostic says that you
don’t either… [and] thinks that we can’t ever really know.16

I am mainly dealing here with the “hard” agnostic. The “soft” agnostic is open to receiving information
about God from others and then tests these claims by the rules and science of logic, history, and
experience. An example that bears striking similarities to the “hard” agnostic is that of a conversation
between a teacher and her student:

Teacher: “Welcome, students. This is the first day of class, and so I want to lay down some
ground rules. First, since no one person has the truth, you should be open-minded to the opinions
of your fellow students. Second… Elizabeth, do you have a question?”
Elizabeth: “Yes I do. If nobody has the truth, isn’t that a good reason for me not to listen to my
fellow students? After all, if nobody has the truth, why should I waste my time listening to other
people and their opinions? What’s the point? Only if somebody has the truth does it make sense to
be open-minded. Don’t you agree?”
Teacher: “No, I don’t. Are you claiming to know the truth? Isn’t that a bit arrogant and
dogmatic?”
Elizabeth: “Not at all. Rather I think it’s dogmatic, as well as arrogant, to assert that no single
person on earth knows the truth. After all, have you met every single person in the world and
quizzed them exhaustively? If not, how can you make such a claim? Also, I believe it is actually
the opposite of arrogance to say that I will alter my opinions to fit the truth whenever and
wherever I find it. And if I happen to think that I have good reason to believe I do know truth and
would like to share it with you, why wouldn’t you listen to me? Why would you automatically
discredit my opinion before it is even uttered? I thought we were supposed to listen to everyone’s
opinion.”
Teacher: “This should prove to be an interesting semester.”
Another Student: “(blurts out) Ain’t that the truth.” (Students laugh)17

The hard agnostic dismisses the argument even before hearing it. This type of agnosticism is refuted by
the associate professor of philosophy and government at the University of Texas at Austin, J.
Budziszewski (Ph.D., Yale University):

“To say that we cannot know anything about God is to say something about God; it is to say that
if there is a God, he is unknowable. But in that case, he is not entirely unknowable, for the
agnostic certainly thinks that we can know one thing about him: That nothing else can be known
about him. Unfortunately, the position that we can know exactly one thing about God – his
15
Robert A. Morey, The New Atheism: And the Erosion of Freedom. Phillipsburg, New Jersey: P & R (1986), p. 57.
16
Tom Morris, Philosophy for Dummies. Chicago, Illinois: IDG Books Worldwide (1999), p. 238.
17
Francis J. Beckwith & Gregory Koukl, Relativism: Feet Planted Firmly In Mid-Air. Grand Rapids, Michigan: Baker Books
(1998), p. 74.
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unknowability in all respects except this – is equally unsupportable, for why should this one thing
be an exception? How could we know that any possible God would be of such a nature that
nothing else could be known about him? On what basis could we rule out his knowability in all
other respects but this one? The very attempt to justify the claim confutes it, for the agnostic
would have to know a great many things about God in order to know he that couldn’t know
anything else about him.”18

Agnostics basically claim that nothing can be known about reality (or, Reality). Norman Geisler points
out that “in its ultimate form [agnosticism] claims that all knowledge about reality (i.e., truth) is
impossible. But this itself is offered as a truth about reality.” 19 Atheism and agnosticism are basically
stating that, “God does not exist because his existence threatens my worldview.” That’s all it says!
Nietzsche, however, predicted that someday people would realize the implications of their atheism; and
this realization would usher in the age of nihilism – the destruction of all meaning and value in life. 20 We
are in an age where people assign their own reality to the universe and their life, thus destroying all
meaning and value in life. This subjective assigning of “reality” doesn’t magically give the universe or a
life meaning, value or context. For one person can believe it to be one way (their reality) and another can
believe the opposite (another reality). This being the case then, one isn’t confronted with an argument
against atheism more so than with the reality of its outcome.21

We have seen that the truth claims of atheism cannot be proven. The simple fact of the matter is that
atheism is a faith, which draws conclusions that go beyond the available evidence.22 And if true, is a “life
[that] is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing,” ~ Macbeth.23 Or as Sartre put
it, atheism is “…a cruel, long-term business…”24 The antithesis, then, would be a universe and a life full
of meaning, hope and context. Which is by default – theism.

18
Norman Geisler & Paul Hoffman, editors, Why I Am a Christian: Leading Thinkers Explain Why They Believe. Grand Rapids,
Michigan: Baker Books (2001), p. 54.
19
Josh McDowell, The New Evidence That Demands a Verdict. Nashville: Thomas Nelson (1999), p. 637.
20
William Lane Craig, Reasonable Faith: Christian Truth and Apologetics. Wheaton, Illinois: Crossway Books (1984), p. 64
21
Peter Kreeft, The Journey. Downers Grove, Illinois: InterVarsity Press (1996), p. 85.
22
Alister McGrath, Glimpsing the Face of God: The Search for Meaning in the Universe. Grand Rapids, Michigan: Eerdmans
(2002), p. 22
23
Clark H. Pinnock, Reason Enough: A Case for the Christian Faith. Eugene, Oregon: Wipf and Stock 1997), p.24.
24
John Blanchard, Does God Believe in Atheists? Darlington, England: Evangelical Press (2000), p. 134.
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Appendix
Why I Am Not An Atheist
By Dr. Robert A. Morey25

Introduction
As a worldview, atheism must justify itself intellectually just like any other worldview. It makes
various statements about the universe, man and God, which it expects us to accept as the truth. These
assertions must pass the same tests for truth that judge any and all such assertions. Atheism is thus not
exempt from having to prove its truth claims.
The creed of atheism is as follows:
In the entire universe,

there has never been in the past,

there is not now in the present, and

there will never be in the future,

any god, gods or goddesses

of any size, shape or description.

We will now examine the creed of atheism to see if it passes the tests of truth.

1. The first question is this: Is the creed of atheism logically valid or invalid? If it is invalid according to
the laws of logic, then it is irrational and unacceptable to the educated mind.

The atheist’s creed clearly violates the laws of logic and is thus irrational in nature.

A. According to the laws of logic, it is impossible to prove a universal negative. When an atheist
makes the assertion, “There is no god anywhere at any time,” he is making a universal negative which he
cannot prove. Since he cannot prove or demonstrate his assertion, he is being irrational.
B. The second logical problem is that the only way he could prove his assertion that there is no god
is to become God.
1. He would have to be everywhere in the universe at the same time, i.e. he would have to
be omnipresent and infinite.
2. He would have to travel throughout the past, the present and the future at the same time,
i.e. he would have to be eternal.
3. He would have to know all things, i.e. he would have to be omniscient.
4. In order to be infinite, omnipresent, eternal and omniscient, he would also have to be
omnipotent.
C. Thirdly, if only an infinite and eternal God can logically say there is no infinite and eternal God,
this itself would be a self-contradictory statement and, hence, irrational.

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From an online article found at: http://www.faithdefenders.com/sermons/hu4.html