Route to P.

Eng

A Case Study: Application for PEng under

Teaching and Research Qualification for
Academician

Presented by: Prof Ir Dr Ahmad Fadzil M Hani, FASc, FIEM

UTP
fadzmo@petronas.com.my

Prepared by: Ir. Dr. Raja Mohd Kamil Raja Ahmad

UPM
kamil@upm.edu.my
 Outline

BEM, IEM Requirements

Candidate Profile

Field Experience Calculation

Application Process

Tips
 Requirements in Engineers Act
The practical experience that a registered Graduate Engineer is required to
obtain under section 10 (1) (b) of the Act in order to be entitled to apply for
registration as a Professional Engineer shall be carried out in a manner
satisfactory to the Board for a period of three years –

in the planning, design, execution or management of such works as

comprised within the profession of engineering;

in engineering research; or

in the teaching in a course leading to a qualification in engineering

research; or

in the teaching in a course leading to a qualification approved by the

Board, and at least one Year of such practical experience shall be
obtained in Malaysia under the supervision of a registered Profession
Engineer of the same discipline or an approved allied discipline and shall
be in fields of engineering practice other than in research or teaching.
 BEM Regulations on Practical Experience
Regulation 22, Registration of Engineers Regulation 1990 (Amendment) 2003.
"Practical Experience 22. (1)

The practical experience that a Graduate Engineer is required to obtain under

section 10(1) (b) of the Act so as to be entitled to apply for registration as a
Professional Engineer shall be carried out the satisfaction of the Board for a period
of at least three years, and shall include the following –
(a) the Graduate Engineer must undergo -
(i) at least two years of general training that will provide a sound basis
for professional development; and
(ii) at least one year of professional career development and training
providing wide exposure to the various managerial and technical
expertise in engineering practice, where at least one year of the training
must be obtained in Malaysia under the supervision of a Professional
Engineer in the same branch of engineering as that practised by the
Graduate Engineer, although Professional Engineers in other related
branches of engineering may be acceptable with the prior approval of
the Board; and
(b) the Graduate Engineer must have satisfactory attendance in courses and
professional development programmes determined by the Board, and conducted
by the Board or institutions approved or accredited by the Board
 IEM Guidelines for Corporate Membership

Lecturing Candidate means the candidate who is engaged in lecturing an

accredited engineering degree in an Institution of Higher Learning at the time of
his application, and the final two years of the engineering course for a period not
less than twelve (12) months. He has to have the equivalent of one year’s
practical engineering experience, which can be made up of separate parts. In
addition to these prerequisites, he must have not less than three (3) years’
experience, which may include a period on:

a) an approved course of full time post-graduate study, or

b) on research for the award of a higher degree, or

c) research done whilst holding the position of lecturer in an accredited degree

course.
 IEM Guidelines for Corporate Membership

Research Candidate means the candidate who has been engaged in

engineering research work as a prerequisite for his practical experience in
engineering to qualify him to attend the Professional Interview, and is doing
research at the time of his application to sit for the Professional Interview. The
candidate shall have at least five (5) years of experience made up of the
following:

a) responsible position in engineering research; research for the award of a post

graduate Master or Doctorate degree could be considered for an aggregation up
to a maximum of one or two years respectively depending on the duration of the
research; and

b) a minimum of two (2) years practical experience aggregated of one year on

site and one year of approved relevant experience and under the supervision of a
Corporate Member of the Institution of the same discipline.
 Profile

Name Ir. Dr. Raja Mohd Kamil Bin Raja Ahmad

Field Electronic
Subfield Control Engineering Claimed under research projects
Biomedical Claimed under postdoctoral research
Engineering attachment at CISIR, UTP
Image Processing & Claimed under 12 month Industrial
Pattern Recognition attachment CISIR, UTP & ViTroX, Penang

Teaching 4th Year UG (Final Multivariable Control System,

(2006 -2012) year) subjects Industrial Process Control
Total 42
credits PG Subject Robust and Optimal Control

Mentor Prof. Ir. Dr. Ahmad Fadzil M. Hani

Supporter Ir. Dr. Mohammad Lutfi Othman
 Procedure (Year 2011-2012)

Submit IEM/PI(1) form + IEM issue letter to

Apply BEM Apply IEM
Training and Experience inform the name
graduate graduate
Report + Technical and contact info of
membership membership
Report to IEM lead interviewer

Submit Peng
IEM issue letter of Lead interviewer
Application Form +
PI success + Interview + Essay contact candidate
Supporting
Corporate Writing to set time and
documents to BEM
Engineer Cert venue of interview
online

BEM issue PEng

Letter of Approval
 Procedure (Year 2011-2012)

Submit IEM/PI(1) form + IEM issue letter to

Apply BEM Apply IEM
Training and Experience inform the name
graduate graduate
Report + Technical and contact info of
membership membership
Report to IEM lead interviewer

Submit Peng
IEM issue letter of Lead interviewer
Application Form +
PI success + Interview + Essay contact candidate
Supporting
Corporate Writing to set time and
documents to BEM
Engineer Cert venue of interview
online

Tips:

1. Apply as early as completed undergraduate degree

BEM issue PEng – the clock only start after registration with BEM as
Letter of Approval a Graduate Engineer!
2. Application for PEng is only allowed after 3 years of
registration as graduate engineer with BEM
3. Please check current requirement
 Procedure (Year 2011-2012)

Submit IEM/PI(1) form + IEM issue letter to

Apply BEM Apply IEM
Training and Experience inform the name
graduate graduate
Report + Technical and contact info of
membership membership
Report to IEM lead interviewer

Submit Peng
IEM issue letter of Lead interviewer
Application Form +
PI success + Interview + Essay contact candidate
Supporting
Corporate Writing to set time and
documents to BEM
Engineer Cert venue of interview
online

Tips:

BEM issue PEng 1. Membership is not compulsory at this point but it

Letter of Approval is good to ‘oil the machine’ since IEM conducts
the interview and later issue certificate of
corporate engineer after success of interview
2. Later after successful interview candidate must
apply to become corporate IEM engineer. Cert is
needed by BEM for PEng application.
 Procedure (Year 2011-2012)

Submit IEM/PI(1) form + IEM issue letter to

Apply BEM Apply IEM
Training and Experience inform the name
graduate graduate
Report + Technical and contact info of
membership membership
Report to IEM lead interviewer

Submit Peng
IEM issue letter of Lead interviewer
Application Form +
PI success + Interview + Essay contact candidate
Supporting
Corporate Writing to set time and
documents to BEM
Engineer Cert venue of interview
online
Tips:

1. Form is signed by head of department, mentor

and supporter.
BEM issue PEng
Letter of Approval
2. Put the summary of field experience (no. months
breakdown in this form)
3. New requirement: the two reports must be
submitted together for initial review and later to
be submitted to interviewers
4. Include Approval letters (alternative to log book)
from Mentor in reports
 IEM/PI (1) Form

Tips:

1. Space provided is small.

2. Use additional Appendix to
provide detail descriptions

Pg 3
Pg 1
 Profile

Name Ir. Dr. Raja Mohd Kamil Bin Raja Ahmad

Field Electronic
Field Registered with BEM
Subfield Control Engineering (graduate
Claimed under research
engineer) mustproject
be
Biomedical the sameunder
Claimed as field of Mentorresearch
postdoctoral
Engineering attachment
Image Processing & Claimed under 12 month Industrial
Pattern Recognition attachment

Teaching 4th Year UG (Final Multivariable Control System,

(2006 -2012) year) subjects Industrial Process Control
Total 42
credits PG Subject Robust and Optimal Control

Mentor Prof. Ir. Dr. Ahmad Fadzil Mohd Hani

Supporter Ir. Dr. Mohammad Lutfi Othman
 Profile

Name Ir. Dr. Raja Mohd Kamil Bin Raja Ahmad

Field Electronic
Subfield Control Engineering Claimed under research project
Biomedical Claimed under postdoctoral research
Engineering attachment
Image Processing & Claimed under 12 month Industrial
Pattern Recognition attachment
Source: Professional Interview Guideline Booklet

Teaching 4th Year UG (Final Multivariable Control System,

(2006 -2012) year) subjects Industrial Process Control
Total 42
credits PG Subject Robust and Optimal Control
BEM requires teaching at
3rd or 4th Year UG level or
Mentor Prof. Ir. Dr. Ahmad Fadzil Mohd Hanihigher
Supporter Ir. Dr. Mohammad Lutfi Othman
 Profile

Name Ir. Dr. Raja Mohd Kamil Bin Raja Ahmad

Field Electronic
Subfield Control Engineering Claimed under research project
Biomedical Claimed under postdoctoral research
Engineering attachment
Image Processing & Claimed
Mustunder 12 month
be PEng (Stamp) Industrial
to approve:
Pattern Recognition attachment
1. Industrial project experience
Teaching 4th Year UG (Final 2. TeachingControl
Multivariable Experience
System
(2006 -2012) year) subjects 3. Research
Industrial Project
Process experience
Control
Total 42 4. Sign Application form
credits PG Subject 5. MUST
Robust and be in same
Optimal field i.e. Electronic
Control

Mentor Prof. Ir. Dr. Ahmad Fadzil Mohd Hani

Supporter Ir. Dr. Mohammad Lutfi Othman
 Profile

Name Ir. Dr. Raja Mohd Kamil Bin Raja Ahmad

Field Electronic
Subfield Control Engineering Claimed under research project
Biomedical Claimed under postdoctoral research
Engineering attachment
Image Processing & Claimed under 12 month Industrial
Pattern Recognition attachment
Must be PEng (stamp) to:

Teaching 4th Year UG (Final 1. Sign Application

Multivariable form to support
Control System
(2006 -2012) year) subjects application
Industrial Process Control
Total 42 2. Verify reports
credits PG Subject 3. Can
Robust andbeOptimal
in other Control
field e.g. Electrical

Mentor Prof. Ir. Dr. Ahmad Fadzil Mohd Hani

Supporter Ir. Dr. Mohammad Lutfi Othman
 Summary of Field Experience
(PI Form)
Date and Duration Description of Design Site/ Planning/ Engineer- Research/ Total
(Claimed) Training and Field Manage- ing Education claimed
Experience Work ment Service (month)

01/08/03-31/07/06 PhD 12 - - - 24 36
(36 months)
15/03/07-28/02/08 Research Project 1 2 - 1 - 7 10
(10 months) (PI)
01/07/07-30/06/09 Research Project 2 5 - 3 - 9 17
(17 months) (PI)
01/07/09-31/11/09 Research Project 3 2 - - - 3 5
(5 months) (co-investigator)
11/10/10-10/10/12 Research Project 4 2 1 1 - 2 6
(6 months)
01/12/09-30/09/10 Postdoctoral Research 2 1 2 - 5 10
(10 months)
01/08/10-31/01/12 Industrial attachment 3 10 1 - - 14
(14 months)
2006-2012 Teaching 8 8

Total 28 12 8 - 62 106
 Summary of Field Experience
(PI Form)
Date and Duration Description of Design Site Planning/ Engineer- Research/ Total
(Claimed) Training and Work Manage- ing Education claimed
Experience ment Service (month)

01/08/03-31/07/06 PhD 12 - - - 24 36
(36 months)
15/03/07-28/02/08 Research Project 1 2 - 1 -
(10 months) (PI) Tips:7 10

01/07/07-30/06/09 Research Project 2 5 - 3 - 9 17

(17 months) (PI) 1. Dates and durations under claim
01/07/09-31/11/09 Research Project 3 2 - must
- be sequential
- 3 5
(5 months) (co-investigator)
2. If projects’ dates overlap, claim less
11/10/10-10/10/12 Research Project 4 2 1 1
(6 months) months on- less important
2 6
project.
01/12/09-30/09/10 Postdoctoral Research 2 1 3. ENSURE
2 - no dates 5overlaps 10
(10 months) (sequential with no gaps)
01/08/10-31/01/12 Industrial attachment 3 10 1 - - 14
(14 months)
2006-2012 Teaching 8 8

Total 28 12 8 - 62 106
 Summary of Field Experience
(PI Form)
Date and Duration Description of Design Site Planning/ Engineer- Research/ Total
(Claimed) Training and Work Manage- ing Education claimed
Experience ment Service (month)

01/08/03-31/07/06 PhD 12 - - - 24 36
(36 months) Tips:
15/03/07-28/02/08 Research Project 1 2 - 1 - 7 10
(10 months) (PI)
1. True duration may be different than
01/07/07-30/06/09 Research Project 2 5 - 3
(17 months) (PI) claimed -duration. 9 17

01/07/09-31/11/09 Research Project 3 2 - 2. - PhD true- duration 3is 4 years5(48

(5 months) (co-investigator) months) years but claimed as 36
11/10/10-10/10/12 Research Project 4 2 1 1months only
- 2 6
(6 months)
3. BEM only allows PhD claim = 36
01/12/09-30/09/10 Postdoctoral Research 2 1 2
(10 months) months - 5 10

01/08/10-31/01/12 Industrial attachment 3 10 1 - - 14

(14 months)
2006-2012 Teaching 8 8

Total 28 12 8 - 62 106
 Summary of Field Experience
(PI Form)
Date and Duration Description of Design Site Planning/ Engineer- Research/ Total
(Claimed) Training and Work Manage- ing Education claimed
Experience ment Service (month)

01/08/03-31/07/06 PhD 12 - - - 24 36
(36 months)
15/03/07-28/02/08 Research Project 1 2 - 1 - 7 10
(10 months) (PI)
01/07/07-30/06/09 Research Project 2 5 - 3 - 9 17
(17 months) (PI)
Tips:
01/07/09-31/11/09 Research Project 3 2 - - - 3 5
(5 months) (co-investigator)
11/10/10-10/10/12 Research Project 4 2 1 1 1. Site
- work for
2 Electronic
6
(6 months) Engineer is min 12 months
01/12/09-30/09/10 Postdoctoral Research 2 1 2 2. Refer
- to Professional
5 10
(10 months)
Interview Guideline booklet
01/08/10-31/01/12 Industrial attachment 3 10 1 - - 14
(14 months)
2006-2012 Teaching 8 8

Total 28 12 8 - 62 106
Professional Interview Guideline
 Summary of Field Experience
(PI Form)
Date and Duration Description of Design Site Planning/ Engineer- Research/ Total
(Claimed) Training and Work Manage- ing Education claimed
Experience ment Service (month)

01/08/03-31/07/06 PhD 12 - - - 24 36
(36 months)
15/03/07-28/02/08 Research Project 1 2 - 1 - 7 10
(10 months) (PI) Tips:
01/07/07-30/06/09 Research Project 2 5 - 3 -
Data 9
collection at site:17
(17 months) (PI)
1. Acoustic data (road noise)
01/07/09-31/11/09 Research Project 3 2 - - - 3 5
(5 months) (co-investigator) at laboratory (considered
11/10/10-10/10/12 Research Project 4 2 1 1 - as site) 2 6
(6 months) 2. MRI images at hospital
01/12/09-30/09/10 Postdoctoral Research 2 1 2 - 5 10
(10 months)
01/08/10-31/01/12 Industrial attachment 3 10 1 - - 14
(14 months)
2006-2012 Teaching 8 8

Total 28 12 8 - 62 106
 Summary of Field Experience
(PI Form) Tips:
Date and Duration Description of Design Site Planning/ Engineer- Research/ Total
(Claimed) Training and Work Manage-
Site
ing
work includes:
Education claimed
Experience ment 1. Service
Data collection at factory
(month)

01/08/03-31/07/06 PhD 12 - -
2. - Meeting with
24
Vitrox36
(36 months) engineers to discuss on
15/03/07-28/02/08 Research Project 1 2 - 1 - progress,7 set design10
(10 months) (PI)
specifications, criteria, test
01/07/07-30/06/09 Research Project 2 5 - 3 -
(17 months) (PI)
algorithm9 on machine17
etc.
01/07/09-31/11/09 Research Project 3 2 - -
3. - Candidate3
spent a 5few
(5 months) (co-investigator) days a week at Vitrox (site)
11/10/10-10/10/12 Research Project 4 2 1 1 - in Penang.
2 6
(6 months)
4. Design work is carried out
01/12/09-30/09/10 Postdoctoral Research 2 1 2 - 5 10
(10 months)
at UTP CISIR centre (not
01/08/10-31/01/12 Industrial attachment 3 10 1 -
included -as site work
14
but
(14 months) claimed under design)
2006-2012 Teaching 5. All work were
8 conducted
8

Total 28 12 8 -
outside candidate
62
office
106
at
UPM
 Summary of Field Experience
(PI Form)
Date and Duration Description of Design Site Planning/ Engineer- Research/ Total
(Claimed) Training and Work Manage- ing Education claimed
Experience ment Service (month)

01/08/03-31/07/06 PhD 12 - - - 24 36
(36 months)
15/03/07-28/02/08 Research Project 1 2 - 1 - 7 10
(10 months) (PI) Tips:
01/07/07-30/06/09 Research Project 2 5 - 3 - 9 17
(17 months) (PI)
1. Design work for Electronic
01/07/09-31/11/09 Research Project 3 2 - - - 3 5
(5 months) (co-investigator) Engineer is min 6 months.
11/10/10-10/10/12 Research Project 4 2 1 1 2. - Refer to Professional
2 6
(6 months) Interview Guideline booklet
01/12/09-30/09/10 Postdoctoral Research 2 1 2 - 5 10
(10 months)
01/08/10-31/01/12 Industrial attachment 3 10 1 - - 14
(14 months)
2006-2012 Teaching 8 8

Total 28 12 8 - 62 106
Professional Interview Guideline
 Technical Report
Report shall include one (1) or more of the following categories:

Design Work Feasibility Study Research and Operation and

Development Work Maintenance Work
a) At least two (2) A part of a feasibility a) Description of the a) A detailed
working drawings; study involving research and description of the
b) Detailed design functional and development work operations of the
calculations relating economic detailing the planning, plant or system
to one (1) or more of comparison of execution together with the
the Candidate’s own preliminary designs (methodology) and maintenance
submitted drawings; of an engineering deliverables of the schedule, which the
c) Specifications; and system, OR a work that clearly Candidate has
d) A set of Bill of comprehensive report demonstrate sound formulated or
Quantities (BQ), of a major application of designed.
comprising abstract engineering project, engineering principles. b) A critical appraisal
and take-off sheets OR a system Details of progressive of the design of the
relating either to one design of a major pilot or prototyping engineering system
or more of the engineering works. work from computer which may not be the
submitted drawings, and/or laboratory work of the
whether or not models shall Candidate should be
prepared by the also be submitted. included.
Candidate;
 Technical Report

Tips:
1. Choose one successful
project and write a detail
technical reports
2. Must have at least 2
drawings (proof of design)
3. Must have at least 2
equations (more the better)
Pg 2 Pg 3
Training and Experience Report

Tips:
1. For engineers registering after 2005
must attend 36hrs professional
conduct courses and collect 60 hrs of
PDP (average 20hrs PDP per year)
2. Refer to BEM circular

Pg 3 Pg 4
Approval Letter from Mentor
 Procedure (Year 2011-2012)

Submit IEM/PI(1) form + IEM issue letter to

Apply BEM Apply IEM
Training and Experience inform the name
graduate graduate
Report + Technical and contact info of
membership membership
Report to IEM lead interviewer

Submit Peng
IEM issue letter of Lead interviewer
Application Form +
PI success + Interview + Essay contact candidate
Supporting
Corporate Writing to set time and
documents to BEM
Engineer Cert venue of interview
online

Tips:
BEM issue PEng
Letter of Approval
1. The details of appointed interviewer will be
informed
2. The list of essay questions will be given.
 Procedure (Year 2011-2012)

Submit IEM/PI(1) form + IEM issue letter to

Apply BEM Apply IEM
Training and Experience inform the name
graduate graduate
Report + Technical and contact info of
membership membership
Report to IEM lead interviewer

Submit Peng
IEM issue letter of Lead interviewer
Application Form +
PI success + Interview + Essay contact candidate
Supporting
Corporate Writing to set time and
documents to BEM
Engineer Cert venue of interview
online

Tips:
BEM issue PEng
Letter of Approval 1. Lead interviewer will contact usually by phone
within one month from the date of letter issued
2. Lead interviewer for the field of Electronic can be
PEng in Electrical but not vice versa
 Procedure (Year 2011-2012)
Submit IEM/PI(1) form + IEM issue letter to
Apply BEM Apply IEM
Training and Experience inform the name
graduate graduate
Report + Technical and contact info of
membership membership
Report to IEM lead interviewer

Submit Peng
IEM issue letter of Lead interviewer
Application Form +
PI success + Interview + Essay contact candidate
Supporting
Corporate Writing to set time and
documents to BEM
Engineer Cert venue of interview
online

Tips:

1. Interview conducted by two interviewers (1-2hrs)

BEM issue PEng
2. Essay Section A (practical experience) : Interviewer chooses 2 questions we
Letter of Approval
select one (1.5 hrs)
3. Essay Section B (ethics, professional conduct): Interviewer chooses 2
questions out of 13, we select one (1.5 hrs)
4. It is good to practice on all 13 questions
5. Try negotiate with interviewer to answer questions that we are confident in.
Popular choice among academician is Q11 related to curriculum and OBE
 Essay Question on Professional Conduct

Tips:
1. Q11 related to curriculum development
and OBE
 Procedure (Year 2011-2012)

Submit IEM/PI(1) form + IEM issue letter to

Apply BEM Apply IEM
Training and Experience inform the name
graduate graduate
Report + Technical and contact info of
membership membership
Report to IEM lead interviewer

Submit Peng
IEM issue letter of Lead interviewer
Application Form +
PI success + Interview + Essay contact candidate
Supporting
Corporate Writing to set time and
documents to BEM
Engineer Cert venue of interview
online

Tips:

BEM issue PEng 1. At this point candidate is

Letter of Approval
an IEM corporate
member NOT PEng yet
2. Only BEM has the
authority to award PEng
by law
 Procedure (Year 2011-2012)

Submit IEM/PI(1) form + IEM issue letter to

Apply BEM Apply IEM
Training and Experience inform the name
graduate graduate
Report + Technical and contact info of
membership membership
Report to IEM lead interviewer

Submit Peng
IEM issue letter of Lead interviewer
Application Form +
PI success + Interview + Essay contact candidate
Supporting
Corporate Writing to set time and
documents to BEM
Engineer Cert venue of interview
online

Tips:
BEM issue PEng
Letter of Approval 1. Apply for BEM through MyBEM online system:
Submit form, supporting documents and IEM
Corporate Membership Cert
2. Caution: Be patient with MyBEM system and
BEM staff 
 Procedure (Year 2011-2012)

Submit IEM/PI(1) form + IEM issue letter to

Apply BEM Apply IEM
Training and Experience inform the name
graduate graduate
Report + Technical and contact info of
membership membership
Report to IEM lead interviewer

Submit Peng
IEM issue letter of Lead interviewer
Application Form +
PI success + Interview + Essay contact candidate
Supporting
Corporate Writing to set time and
documents to BEM
Engineer Cert venue of interview
online

BEM issue PEng 1. Congratulations!

Letter of Approval You are a P.Eng

Note: Please check the current procedure with IEM/BEM

Additional competency exams may have been enforced post 2012