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River
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pipe is 12" Sch10 stainless steel 304L. The design
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Posts: 5 pipe system, is there any difference in stress anlysis with
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the normal "hot pipe"? Any special attention?
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Does any one have experience on it? Your help is highly 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
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Re: Cryogenic Pipe Stress.---Liquid #1972 - 08/09/04 02:32 PM
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Darren_Yin 15174 Topics
In a strict sense your -115 C( -117 F) ethylene pipeline is 68443 Posts
Member cold, but NOT cryogenic cold.
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Registered: 07/02/17 10:16 PM
12/15/99 To perform a Caesar II stress analysis, you would need
Posts: 40 take the dry-out temperature (assume T2) into account
Loc: Houston, (a dry-out operation is essential so that the piping be
TX, USA moisture-free prior to a cold flow.)

Accordingly the flex temperature could become T2-

(-115)+20 C, and the expansion stress induced thereof
should be compared with B31.3 Code stress range
allowable.

This is one condition of CAESAR II analysis one usually

adds to cold lines, sufficing also for the liquid ethylene
applications.

But for real cryogenic services, pipe stress analysis can

get a whole lot more involved--e.g., as performed for
liquefied natural gas (LNG) pipelines. Take the flange
stress due to a thermal shock effect as a subject, it can
captivate a career (like mine).

In the early 1980s there was a proposed B31.10 Code

dedicating to Cryogenic Piping. Unfortunately, the
proposal fell through.

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Re: Cryogenic Pipe Stress.---Liquid #1973 - 08/12/04 02:19 AM

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Member FOLLOW-UP QUESTION:
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If the pipe system were really cryogenic, what special
06/18/04
Posts: 14 considerations do we newbies have to note when modeling
Loc: US and anylizing these cases?

Thanks
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Re: Cryogenic Pipe Stress.---Liquid #1974 - 08/16/04 08:31 AM

Ethylene.
River
Member Thanks Darren. But then what is cryogenic cold(-115 C is
-175 F), in your view?
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10/07/02
Posts: 5 Is the T2 ambient temp? We use nitrogen to clean all the
moisture. Then precool the whole 2 km pipeline.

What are the load cases after introducing T2? The

following load cases ok or not?

L1: W+T1+P1(ope)
L2: W+T2+P1(ope)
L3: W+P1(Sus)
L4: L1-L3 (Exp)
L5: L1-L2 (Exp)

Thank you very much.

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Re: Cryogenic Pipe Stress.---Liquid #1975 - 08/17/04 01:25 PM

Ethylene.
Richard
Yee To River,
Member The cleaning (purging) of pipeline with nitrogen sounds
normal. Precooling the line with nitrogen also seems
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12/16/99 reasonable - it is something to more alert about, since I
Posts: 166 think the boiling point of liquid nitrogen 1 atmosphere
Loc: would be -320 deg F.
Chesterfield, That would possibly be a (partial?) load case, and most
MO 63017
people would agree to be a cryogenic low temperature.
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Re: Cryogenic Pipe Stress.---Liquid #1976 - 08/17/04 09:08 PM

Ethylene.
River
Member To Richard,
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10/07/02 No. The nitrogen is only for purging service. The
Posts: 5 precooling is by circling liquid ethylene.

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Re: Cryogenic Pipe Stress.---Liquid #1977 - 08/18/04 02:54 PM

Ethylene.
Darren_Yin
Given T1>70F, T2<<70F, and Ambience at 70F, on August
Member 18, 2004 I would build the load cases as follows:
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12/15/99 1. W+P1+T1, or +H+D1
Posts: 40 2. W+P1+T2, or +H+D2
Loc: Houston, 3. W+P1, or +H
TX, USA 4. L1-L3
5. L2-L3
6. L4-L5, Set ALGEBRAIC
7. L4+L5+L6, set MAXIMUM

Case 7 determines B31.3 stress range compliance.

Tomorrow is another day to regret, and to err again.

Good luck and good bye!

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