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Sizing Of The Feed Nozzles For Gasliquid Separator
Started by refundycom@yahoo.com, May 12 2009 01:26 AM
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Posted 12 May 2009 01:26 AM
refundycom@yahoo.com
Hi all. I have some enquiry here regarding the sizing of the feed nozzles of the gasliquid separator.
I have referred to Design Engineering Practise of one of the operator company and I found the equation is:
− If a halfopen pipe is used as inlet device:
ρv2 ≤ 2100 (pa)
The question is what happen if the momentum of the feed is exceed the limit (>2100)...Can you brief me what are the inlet
momentum criteria for this matter...thanx
Posted 12 May 2009 02:18 AM
JoeWong
Gasliquid mixture enter into separator via an inlet device (or no device at all). When the mixture entering a separator, if the
mixture is
not well distributed
not impinged at right angle
not directed to right path
this will results
destroy of bulk liquid into droplet form
large droplet breakout into small droplet
separated liquid reentrain into gas
As a result, severe poor gas separation and severe liquid entrainment.
A step further in gas liquid separation is the droplet stability and it is subjected to activities such as breakage, coalescene,
deposition and entrainment. All this are linked to the interface between gas and liquid. A few parameters affecting the
performance of this interface. There are (as minimum) :
(i) fluid density
(ii) fluid velocity
(iii) characteristic length of the droplet / "defined" surface
(iv) surface tension
Comparatively the first two parameters are dominating the performance in engineering and it is the momentum (ρv2).
If momentum (ρv2) is exceeded, it will affect the gasliquid separation efficiency.
Posted 12 May 2009 02:57 AM
fallah
Joe Wong presented a complete explanation.
Just my general comment:
The momentum value consideration applies where the flow may impact on the equipment (or its components) and also its
predefined operation. This parameter determines whether the distributor, impingement plate, wear plate,..... in the front of
the inlet nozzle of a separator are needed or not.
Posted 13 May 2009 12:10 AM
refundycom@yahoo.com
Thanks for your explanation. But I still not understand the way they get the value (max momentum) such as for half open pipe
pv2>2100. How they manage to get 2100...what's the parameters are they referring to...appreciate your explanation in this
matter. TQ
Posted 14 May 2009 08:28 PM
refundycom@yahoo.com
Joe Wong,
May I know where did you refer to regarding the pv2 because i need to put it in my report as reference. Thank you pal.
Best regards,
Ridhuan
Posted 14 May 2009 10:43 PM
Qalander (Chem)
Ridhuan:
If I am not mistaken, this comes from Rho(density) and v (velocity) of the fluid used to obtain the momentum values in the
standard formula.
JoeWong
JoeWong Posted 15 May 2009 12:08 AM
You mentioned
"I have referred to Design Engineering Practise of one of the operator company and I found the equation is:
− If a halfopen pipe is used as inlet device:
ρv2 ≤ 2100 (pa)
"
This is your source (and i knew the source by looking at the figure).
The 2100 Pa in your source is normally based on experiment data and supported by field operating data.
Posted 15 May 2009 02:38 AM
ankur2061
Joe,
The standard I prepared for a middle east O&G has a table on momentum values for inlet devices. This table was prepared
based on consulting various open source literature and company standards. Below is the table:
Inlet Device Momentum
None ρmV2 m,in ≤ 1400 kg/m.s2
Half Open Pipe ρmV2 m,in ≤ 2100 kg/m.s2
Schoepentoeter ρmV2 m,in ≤ 8000 kg/m.s2
Cyclone (conventional) ρmV2 m,in ≤ 10,000 kg/m.s2
Multicyclone ρmV2 m,in ≤ 35,000 kg/m.s2
where ρm is the mean density of the mixture in inlet pipe, kg/m3 & Vm,in is the velocity of the mixture in the inlet nozzle in
m/s.
Hope this information is useful.
Regards,
Ankur.
Posted 19 May 2009 06:36 AM
sachindhopade
hope this helps u
http://www.processca...zle_Sizing.aspx (http://www.processcalculator.com/Nozzle_Sizing.aspx)
Posted 18 January 2012 10:00 PM
Afshin
Dear Members,
First of all I know this post is old but I have same problem as JoeWong.
I want to use an existing vessel (two phase separator) which is equipped with half open pipe in inlet nozzel for new flowrate
condition. When I checked new inlet nozzle momentum is about 32400 Pa which is significantly higher than half open pipe
criteria (2100 Pa)
I want to know this nozzle is appropriate for new condition or internal should be chnaged? What happen if we didn't change
vessel inlet nozzle internal?
Regards
Afshin
Edited by Afshin, 30 January 2012 10:41 PM.
Posted 13 February 2012 03:11 AM
Afshin
Dear Experts,
Any idea?
Regards
Posted 13 February 2012 02:11 PM
Bharathiraja
Dear Afshin,
The existing vessel can be reused after changing the Inlet Nozzle size so that the momentum criteria is satisfied. Looking at
your figures, I think your new flowrate is much higher than the earlier one. For this case changing the nozzle size alone is not
sufficient. You should also check your separator internals for possible flooding and foaming. I know the standard, which you
are referring right now has the equations for flooding and foaming. Alternatively you can use KG Tower program to do your
analysis.
Posted 14 February 2012 08:01 AM
abhi_agrawa
Afshin,
Inlet nozzle momentum of 32400 Pa is way too high. I would suspect that even the line would not be adequate. I would
suggest that the nozzle should be changed. You may like to contact vendors like Sulzer or Koch Glitsch for a special entry
device.
abhishek
Posted 15 February 2012 12:12 AM
Afshin
Dear abhi_agrawa/Bharathiraja
Thank you for your responce. But do you think changining of nozzle size is practical? Already, the vessel is installed in the
plant.
regards
Posted 23 February 2012 02:50 PM
Bharathiraja
Afshin,
Changing the feed nozzle is absolutely possible.
Posted 28 May 2012 02:56 AM
LITian
Hello Afshin,
Have you found a way out for reusing the vessel and any solution for the inlet nozzle? I can understand the headache involved
in doing a hot work on an installed vessel. If you haven't found a solution yet, there are stateoftheart inlet devices available
which can help you get rid of the hazzles of hot work and eventual recertification involved and still get you the required size of
nozzle to reduce the inlet momentum. If you have a process datasheet that I can look at, please let me know.
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