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kuncheesh Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 11:17 am Post subject: Calculation of soil spring constant
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Dear Sefians,
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Posts: 24
I am checking design of a Compressor Foundation designed using STAAD.
(framed foundation with a top deck and raft connected by columns)
The Base size is 12m x 5m
The Soil Coefficient of uniform compression Cu = 4.17x10^4 kN/m3
The Plate size taken for Raft is 0.25m x 0.25m
All Nodes of Base Raft are supported by springs
my Engineer has calculated the spring coefficient in vertical direction by multiplying Cu with the Entire Base
Area of the raft as 4.17E4 X 12 x 5 = 2502000 kN /m
However I am having serious doubt that this is wrong and spring coefficient should be calculated by
multiplying Cu with the individual plate area as
4.17E4x0.25x0.25 = 2606.25 kN/m
Please enlighten me which approach is correct
Thanks in advance
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anshugoel Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 7:03 pm Post subject: Re: Calculation of soil spring constant
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kuncheesh wrote:
Dear Sefians,
Joined: 22 Jan 2010
Posts: 341
I am checking design of a Compressor Foundation designed using STAAD.
(framed foundation with a top deck and raft connected by columns)
The Base size is 12m x 5m
The Soil Coefficient of uniform compression Cu = 4.17x10^4 kN/m3
The Plate size taken for Raft is 0.25m x 0.25m
All Nodes of Base Raft are supported by springs
my Engineer has calculated the spring coefficient in vertical direction by multiplying Cu with the
Entire Base Area of the raft as 4.17E4 X 12 x 5 = 2502000 kN /m
However I am having serious doubt that this is wrong and spring coefficient should be calculated by
multiplying Cu with the individual plate area as
4.17E4x0.25x0.25 = 2606.25 kN/m
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Please enlighten me which approach is correct
Thanks in advance
It depends on the tributary area for each spring.
If you have only one spring for entire 60 square meter, then first value is correct.
But, if you have one spring on each plate of size 0.0625 square meter, then second value is correct.
But suppose if you take the second value i.e. 2606.25 kN/M and apply it all over that means the total stiffness
would be 12*5/(0.0625) times i.e. 960 times which is same as the first value.
So when you specify the spring value, you should specify the area over which it works.
Hope this helps.
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sukanta.adhikari Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 7:17 pm Post subject: Re: Calculation of soil spring constant
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As modulas of subgrade reaction is used to model the stiffness of soil.Similar is ceofficient of uniform
compression Cu.The difference is Cu considers elastic part of settlement only.
Hence u r right sir, Cu shall be modelled by multiplying with influence area of individuals plates .
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S.Adhikari
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Posts: 690
kuncheesh wrote:
Dear Sefians,
I am checking design of a Compressor Foundation designed using STAAD.
(framed foundation with a top deck and raft connected by columns)
The Base size is 12m x 5m
The Soil Coefficient of uniform compression Cu = 4.17x10^4 kN/m3
The Plate size taken for Raft is 0.25m x 0.25m
All Nodes of Base Raft are supported by springs
my Engineer has calculated the spring coefficient in vertical direction by multiplying Cu with the
Entire Base Area of the raft as 4.17E4 X 12 x 5 = 2502000 kN /m
However I am having serious doubt that this is wrong and spring coefficient should be calculated by
multiplying Cu with the individual plate area as
4.17E4x0.25x0.25 = 2606.25 kN/m
Please enlighten me which approach is correct
Thanks in advance
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jc Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 1:14 am Post subject:
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In our design office, we calculate area spring in ETABS as following:
Joined: 07 May 2010
For an example
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bearing capacity = 200KN/m2
allowable settlement = 10mm
FOS = 2
Area spring = 200 x 2 / 0.01 = 40000 KN/m.
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(Adopted from Bowles)
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kuncheesh Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 5:33 am Post subject:
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Dear all,
Joined: 02 Jan 2011
Posts: 24
Thank you for your valuable comments. I have understood the concept and asked my Engineer to change it.
However my Engineer has replied me that changing Soil Stiffness will not cause any change in frequency as it
is noted in IS 2974 (Part3) cl 9.1.1 a) (last sentence) that the base Mat shall be disregarded in modelling.
But I am still confused as the same person had modelled the Foundation with Raft supported on springs for
frequency calculation.
Please tell me whether the Effect of base Raft should be neglected or not for checking frequencies and
amplitudes.
thank you
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sukanta.adhikari Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 8:42 am Post subject:
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Please read this article.I hope u will get ur doubt clear.
http://www.sefindia.org/?q=node/454
Regards,
S.Adhikari
kuncheesh wrote:
Dear all,
Joined: 26 Jan 2003 Thank you for your valuable comments. I have understood the concept and asked my Engineer to
Posts: 690 change it.
However my Engineer has replied me that changing Soil Stiffness will not cause any change in
frequency as it is noted in IS 2974 (Part3) cl 9.1.1 a) (last sentence) that the base Mat shall be
disregarded in modelling.
But I am still confused as the same person had modelled the Foundation with Raft supported on
springs for frequency calculation.
Please tell me whether the Effect of base Raft should be neglected or not for checking frequencies
and amplitudes.
thank you
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prof.arc Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 11:52 pm Post subject: Calculation of soil spring constant
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IS: 2974 is a defective code I had pointed out this earlier also.
It is one of the rare codes which gave guidelines for modelling of framed structures and the model is defective.
In analysis, anything goes as long as there are no major failures
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ARC
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On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 11:03 AM, kuncheesh <forum@sefindia.org (forum@sefindia.org)> wrote:
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Dear all,
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Thank you for your valuable comments. I have understood the concept and asked my Engineer to
change it.
However my Engineer has replied me that changing Soil Stiffness will not cause any change in
frequency as it is noted in IS 2974 (Part3) cl 9.1.1 a) (last sentence) that the base Mat shall be
disregarded in modelling.
But I am still confused as the same person had modelled the Foundation with Raft supported on
springs for frequency calculation.
Please tell me whether the Effect of base Raft should be neglected or not for checking frequencies
and amplitudes.
thank you
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prav_77 Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 5:53 am Post subject:
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dear sefians,
i have to analyse a raft foundation which is 9 m below NGL.. also water table is 4m below ground
Joined: 16 Sep 2013
level.. i have to calculate the spring constant considering the effect of water pressure also..
Posts: 29
if i multiply cu value with tributary area... would it be right as i have not taken account of water pressure ..
???
i m just a novice in this kind of footing design and analysis .. please help and also if there is any online
material, please do share..
thnks & regards
praveen singh
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sankar Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 6:53 am Post subject:
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kuncheesh wrote:
Dear all,
Joined: 26 Jan 2003
Posts: 24
Thank you for your valuable comments. I have understood the concept and asked my Engineer to
change it.
However my Engineer has replied me that changing Soil Stiffness will not cause any change in
frequency as it is noted in IS 2974 (Part3) cl 9.1.1 a) (last sentence) that the base Mat shall be
disregarded in modelling.
But I am still confused as the same person had modelled the Foundation with Raft supported on
springs for frequency calculation.
Please tell me whether the Effect of base Raft should be neglected or not for checking frequencies
and amplitudes.
thank you
Effect of Base raft & Soil (SoilStructure interaction) depends on type of subgrade. If very hard stratum, thru'
which shear wave velocity is more than 2000 ft/sec (762 m/s), effect of soil structure interaction can be
avoided by considering columns are fixed at base raft top level for compressor table top dynamic analysis.
Hope, this clarifies your doubt.
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