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15:07 Apr-17- Equipment Calibration Post Rep


2013
Basically there are two types of equipment evaluation i-e.electronic
instrument characteristics evaluation detailed in E 1065 or E 1324 for UT and
performance chracteristics based equipment evaluation detailed in E 2491 for
Shahid Bangash Phased Array and ASME Sec V, Art IV Mandatory App I and II for UT Translat
Engineering, Techniques. The later can be performed by the user and if equipment is
Pakistan, qualified then this is a reflection of equipment being electronically sound.
Joined Feb 2009 A calibration certificate valid for one year is provided initially with new
129 equipments and then renewed annually ,carried out by equipment
manufacturer. Regarding this some querries
1. Is this annual calibration by Equipment's manufacturer mandatory in
accordance to some code/standard ?
2. Can a qualified equipment user carry out such calibration and label
calibration detail on equipment ?

22:00 Apr-17- Re: Equipment CalibrationIn Reply to Shahid Bangash at 15:07 Apr- Post Rep
2013 17-2013 (Opening).
Sudheer Jai
Krishnan Hello Shahid

It is of course a good topic started by you and many people arent aware of Translat
the calibration process. The equipments can be calibrated as per ASTM-E-
317-06a or as per EN12668. The search units can be calibrated as per ASTM-
E-1065 (most of them wont do except the aviation industries)

I have seen some laboratories which doesnt even know the full form of NDT
and they provide a calibration certificate of one page mentioning that the
equipment meets the manufacturers calibration standard.

We do the calibration as per EN12668 and we make sure that everything is in


accordance to the specification. The calibration covers many things and the
complete report will be of 30 to 40 pages which mentions each and every
requirement of the flaw detector

So i would recommend sending a UFD to the manufacturer where i get high


quality service so that i don't need to worry about.

And the answer for your second question, how will you come to know
whether there is any problem with your electronics? Checking for horizontal
& vertical linearity alone doesn't fulfill the requirement of a calibration. There
are many other steps which needs to be documented in the calibration report

Regards

Sudheer Jai Krishnan

07:55 Apr-18- Re: Equipment CalibrationIn Reply to Sudheer Jai Krishnan at 22:00 Post Rep
2013 Apr-17-2013 .

Sudheer
As per your concept then i think that even ASME committee are unaware of
Shahid Bangash calibration requirements thats why they didn't elaborate/recommend to Translat
Engineering, perform calibration by manufacturer and only refers to App 1 & 2 of ASME
Pakistan, Sec V, Art IV etc. to be fullfilled.
Joined Feb 2009 Your statement " i would recommend sending a UFD to the manufacturer"
129 but if i recommend to perform it by a qualified personnel of the owner then
who will decide.
Ultimately the referencing or examination code.
I am not aware of E 12668 but netither E-317(Standard Practice for
Evaluating Performance Characteristics of Ultrasonic Pulse- Echo Examination
Instruments and Systems without the Use of Electronic Measurement
Instruments) nor E-2491 (Standard Practice for Evaluating Performance
Characteristics of Phased ArrayExamination Instruments and Systems )
imposes restriction to perform equipment calibration by manufacturer.
My question is that
Is equipment calibration in conformance to examination/referencing code by
the user is in compliance to these standards/codes (although might not be in
conformance to manufacturers standards/ procedure for equipment
calibration

12:48 Apr-22- Re: Equipment CalibrationIn Reply to Shahid Bangash at 15:07 Apr- Post Rep
2013 17-2013 (Opening).

1. Is this annual calibration by Equipment's manufacturer mandatory in


accordance to some code/standard ?
Translat
amir sajjad Not mandatory to be calibrated by manufacturer. ISO standards emphasize
NDT Inspector, the calibration to be carried out by Third Party an accredited calibration lab
Saudi Specialized like 17025 accretidation However it is possible to perform calibration
Laboratories Co. internally with right expertise and staffing, keeping in view the costly
(NDTEL) standards and environment. for example in UT/PA the reference standard
Motabaqah calibration blocks need to be calibrated by an accredited calibration
Saudi Specialized laboratory or ‘National Metrology Institute (NMI) depending upon the
Laboratories Co. situations where the calibration traceability is required or Measurement
MOTABAQAH, Uncertainity need to be determined.and for electronic characterisitics a lab
Saudi Arabia, setup is required with valid calibration of standard test instruments.
Joined Mar 2011
21 2. Can a qualified equipment user carry out such calibration and label
calibration detail on equipment ?

only performance characteristics described in E-317 if he is properly trained


and qualified and has the right expertise documented in a quality system and
he has the certified reference material CRM.
but typically about UT, the electronic charectirsitic evaluation requires
Laboratory Measurement Conditions to be met as per E1324 and this is
where you will be in need of an external source.

Check this statement in E317 "This practice is not intended to be used as a


substitute for calibration or standardization of an instrument or system to
inspect any given material

15:40 Apr-22- Re: Equipment CalibrationIn Reply to amir sajjad at 12:48 Apr-22- Post Rep
2013 2013 .
Sudheer Jai
Krishnan Hi Amir

If possible, please kindly visit our Service Engineering department which is Translat
located at UAE and i am sure that you will edit your message which you have
given below.

I dont know why all people are only looking for the cost which everyone is
taking as a primary thing. Only with test blocks, can anyone say or assure
that a phased array equipment, or conventional flaw detector is working fine?
Never!!!

Regards

Sudheer Jai Krishnan

07:53 Apr-23- Re: Equipment CalibrationIn Reply to Sudheer Jai Krishnan at 15:40 Post Rep
2013 Apr-22-2013 .

Dear Sudheer,

I really apprecciate of what you guys are doing out there and its wonderful to Translat
amir sajjad have these services. In my msg i was of the same opinion somehow that for
NDT Inspector, electronic charectiristic evaluation, one cant do it by himself and i used the
Saudi Specialized word standards and environment.
Laboratories Co.
(NDTEL) I am of the opinion that the word "Calibration" is not only judging the
Motabaqah performance characteristics of screen height and time base.
Saudi Specialized
Laboratories Co.
MOTABAQAH,
Saudi Arabia,
Joined Mar 2011
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08:58 Sep-30- Re: Equipment CalibrationIn Reply to Shahid Bangash at 15:07 Apr-
2015 17-2013 (Opening).
Janer Lappay
Good Day everyone.

I am just asking if you can refer to me a calibration laboratory here in Saudi


Arabia that is capable of calibrating NDT instruments.Thank you very much.