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by Lester Levenson
Why not take things for the mere thought of it? Why not have
this perfect harmony when everything goes the way you want
it to go? Why not live with all joy and no sorrow? Why don't
we take this? I really would like to know why we don't take it.
If I know why you don't take it, maybe I can help you get it.
Because I feel sure everyone would like to live the way I
spoke of living, the way I was living back in the early sixties,
and prior to 1952. I'm sure everyone would like to live that
way; you're in a constant state of joy that's beyond anything
you ever experienced before; when everything you think just
happens.
So, why don't we do this? I'm really asking: Why don't you do
it? Harry, you're almost coming up with something, aren't
you?
Q: I missed the last meeting.
Lester: Well, I kinda summed it up. There was a time when I
lived and anything I thought would come immediately.
Anything. And everything. And I was telling how beautifully
harmonious everything is; everything falls perfectly into line
for you.
Q: Well I think I'll speak for my own self, things pretty well
come this way, for me. The only limit would be myself
perhaps not knowing where to put the next knot.
Lester: You can have anything you want now? Just by the
thought?
Q: What I mean is,—things do connect that way, yes.
Lester: Much better than they used to. But you have to work
for a living, right?
Q: It's getting pretty easy.
Lester: But you have to work for a living.
Q: O.K.
Lester: That's a limitation.
0: I was just reading in the Bhagavad Gita the other day that—
even though you're realized, you never want to give up your
activity because it deludes the ignorant. So where are you
then?
Lester: I don't know about what you're saying, but I say you're
not free yet. You have to work for a living: you have to do
things, right? Or could you stop everything and do nothing
and have everything you want? Could you?
Q: The trend is going that way quite fast. I don't know when I
could cut the cord and be that way.
Lester: O.K. Keep up the trend; keep up the trend.
But the question I'm asking is: Why don't we go to the point
where
we just think and have things happen?
Q: Well, we're living in ignorance, so to speak.
Lester: We are not. We know the way, right? At least
intellectually we know how to go all the way: we accept that
we are unlimited beings.
Q: To come right down to it, in Truth, what is there to desire?
In other words, you have your peace, you know, what are we
talking about?
Lester: I'm talking about freedom,—I'm using the word
"freedom" Now, because I think it points up the Goal better as
a word than any other word. The top Goal is total Freedom,
Liberation.
Q: How do you go about it? Just by meditating?
Lester: No. By seeing what we are. See, that the word
"meditation" is a word that has meanings that I'm not sure
means the same thing to everyone. But, by discovering what
we are, we discover that we have all power, all knowledge,
that we are unlimited.
Q: How am I to discover what I am if I don't know what I am?
Lester: We should reach a state where the real "I" that we are
takes over and takes us in all the way. But, I think, Lil, you
might be afraid of disappearing.
Q: No.
Lester: No?
Q: No, that never enters my mind.
Lester: What do you think might help you go further?
Q: I really don't know. If I knew I would utilize it.
Lester: See, the first incentive lies in having difficulties in life
— pain, mental and physical. But later on, the incentive
should be the goodness of it, that should be the incentive to
have us keep going, going, going.
Well, then the only thing I can say, Lil, is keep it up. Some
day, when you get tired of enjoying, you'll drop the enjoying
and go on further.
Q: I keep saying to myself, "There's more than this."
Lester: Good. There's not enough drive to drive you all the
way.
Q: I might have to do it and push me up there: I don't know.
As I say, maybe I'm trying too hard.
Lester: I don't think so. You can't try too hard. Although the
further you go, the less effort is required. You reach a place
where you can't use effort any more. The real You takes over
and just lifts you all the way to the top. Until that time, you
seemingly have to use effort. So, the only thing I can say is
just keep going with a little more determi nation, if you can, to
get the answer.
Q: I'll tell you what happens, when my eyes are closed, all this
gets light.
Lester: Good! See, you're moving into the astral realm which
is a higher realm than the physical. It's a realm that's more in
tune.
Especially now that life is easier and things are coming more
your way by your doing, and just dare to quadruple what
you're doing, mentally, without any more effort, though. Then
you might have four times more time to dwell on the subject.
Q: By dwelling on the subject are you referring always to this
passive mediation or—
Lester: "What am I?" I'm referring to "What am I?" I'm
keeping you at the ultimate question that has to be answered,
and when answered fully, is the ultimate state of Freedom,
which is known by your feeling and by the way your life is.
Life is the way you make it.
When you get there, you can get all the money you want
without working for it.
Q: Course, that's rather misleading. Lester: It is?
Q: Yeah, it's kinda like a sales presentation, a snow-job: Come
on boy, you go my way and you think this way and you'll have
all the money you want. But, actually, when you get into the
program, with that pot of gold, it evaporates because
— Lester: Wait a minute, it evaporates?
Q: Because it's not important any more. Like you say, if we
truly feel that we get the real message that you're speaking of,
then the things that we thought we were going to gain material
wealth when we came into this program, then we find out,
"Gee whiz, that's not anything.
Lester: That's not true.
Q: That's a limitation. Here's a greater Truth. In other words to
have this, I have to give up this.
Lester: That's not true. You haven't done that. Have you?
you must think now and later on the thing happens. And I
want to get you where you think now and it happens now.
Q: Isn't that hallucination?
Lester: Oh no!
Q: How else would you get it? One method of getting is by
being, seeing and feeling in the state that you want to be and
this thing follows. My biggest problem is getting other people
in this.
Lester: Speak for yourself, Bob, get it for yourself. After
you've got it for yourself, then you can help others; you can
show them how they can get it for themselves.
Q: I still want to influence other people's lives. It's still the
same old question I asked you when I first met you, I still
haven't got satisfied within myself.
Lester: The satisfaction for all your questions will come only
when you discover the full answers. I have never answered
any question for you, Bob. I have tried to help you to get the
answers for you.
But I really believe that you're not convinced that you can
have anything for the mere thought of it. You don't even
believe it, leave alone being convinced. If you were convinced
it would be so for you. So, maybe it just boils down to the fact
that we don't want anymore; we're satisfied. Are we?
Q: What bothered me a great deal when you used to talk,
occasionally you'd bring this up, you'd say you can suffer and
yet be beyond it. This to me doesn't make sense; how can you
suffer when you can't suffer? Your true Being can't suffer, yet
you'd say, "Well, I can be hurting and yet I can think
otherwise," this doesn't make sense at all. You can't hurt and
know what you truly are. You can't be limited and know what
you really are.
Lester: The body can hurt—
Q: I don't believe it!
Lester: And I, if I am not the body, will not hurt.
Any one else have any questions on Why don't we go all the
way? Why don't we just think and have things happen?
Q: You never have explained what you really mean by going
all the way.
Lester: I did, right at the beginning. Go to the unlimited state;
be totally free; have no more compulsions; have no more
subconscious thoughts operating; every thought you have is a
choice of the moment.
Q: In other words what you're saying you want us to work out
in our own system, in our own way, the thoughts that we have
harbored within us, and this to you is our growth.
Lester: Let go of all the subconscious thoughts.
Q: Well then, where's this money complex coming into this
thing?
Lester: I'm just baiting you; that's where it comes in. We all
want money, so I'm putting it up as an incentive, to make you
go further and get a million dollars. You can always drop it if
you don't want it.
Q: To each his own. Maybe that isn't my type of
demonstration.
Lester: O.K., but get to the place where you can demonstrate
anything you want immediately, is what I'm suggesting. And
I'm asking Why don't you want to live this nice, beautiful,
easy way?
Q: I do.
Lester: I say you don't, Harry.
Q: A few pains, here and there.
Lester: Oh. A few here and a few there. You don't have
everything you want, Harry. If you want to see me later, I can
tell you a lot of things that you want that you don't have.
Q: Got that mouse in your pocket again? (Laughter.)
Lester: Well, are there any other things that you would like to
ask? Is there anything that I can help you with on anything?
Q: Oh yes.
Lester: I think we all ought to see that: that we're all seeking
the exact same thing. The world calls it the ultimate
happiness. We call it the "I that I am." But we say that the "I
that I am" is the ultimate happiness. Discover your Self and
you discover the greatest happi ness and you get the greatest
contentment. It's a satiation that is all satisfying.
Lester: We still hold onto the beliefs that we have extreme
limita tions. This is the problem. And we don't have enough
incentive to let go of them. As I said, there's no reason why
anyone here shouldn't have everything he or she wants for the
mere thought of it, instanta- neously,—that some day you're
going to do this. Why not now? And the reason is, I say, that
you don't believe it. You hold onto the oppo site: that you can't
do it, and that's the only reason why you can't.
Q: Well maybe it's because things are going easier, things
don't matter and then we don't go ahead.
Lester: Yes, the incentive, the drive, is far less now than it
was when we were unhappy.
Q: If it's much less then we should be more peaceful.
Lester: Well, aren't we?
Q: Yes.
Lester: But what I'm trying to do is to get you to the total
peace. Until you get there, there will always be annoyances in
life. Even though it's much better now, it should be best.
Q: Got one more step to go.
Lester: What do we need to go it? This is the big thing: What
do we need to go it?
Q: We need to believe that we can.
Lester: I think we need to recognize that we don't believe that
we can, first. We're still holding onto tremendous non-
acceptance of the idea that we are unlimited. When you see
first that you really don't accept it,—if you confront that, you
can let go of that better.
Q: I'm sure that it did. It couldn't, but it did. And not only I
was
convinced, but the lady and the repairman that they called out
to fix the cotton-picking machine was convinced. Lester: I
went to Caltex with Ken and I wanted to get copies from one
of the books in their library. The duplicating machine was out
of order; there was a piece of tape over the money part so you
couldn't put money in; there was a big sign: OUT OF
ORDER, and when I asked the girl for change, for dimes, to
put into it to try it, she didn't want to give it to me; she
resisted. She said "It's been out of order and they tried to fix
it." And I said,—I had to coax her into giving me change,—
and I said, "It's only a dime," that's all they charge per copy. I
went over to the machine and I took the tape off the money
thing and I got, I think it was two or three copies of pages I
wanted and I said to Ken, "It would be interesting to see what
happens now I don't need it any more." And I put another
dime in and it came out black and just then the head of the
library came over and said, "Oh, it's been that way for some
time. We've been waiting for the repair man to come in and fix
it." So it went right back to the way it was. But when I wanted
the copies made, the machine worked.
Q: That's magic.
Lester: That's magic. And yet it's just a mere effortless
thought that does these things. But it didn't help Ken any, did
it?
Q: I said, "Coincidence."
Lester: Yes, coincidence. Then I gave him a demonstration of
harmony on a trip we took. I just said, "It is," I let go and I let
it be. We got the nicest plane out, what was it,—United Air
Lines, much nicer than the commuter's plane. We went up to
San Francisco. I went into a telephone booth and in no time
flat I had appointments with everyone at different times of the
day; we didn't rush; we made every appointment just on time.
When we wanted to eat, we had time to eat.
Lester: But that's the way life should be all the time, every
day. Everything should fall perfectly into line.
Q: Yeah, but when you get there you reach your plateau and
you don't want to go on. Is that the place we're going to be?
Lester: You don't want to go on?
Q: When you get to the top, you're up there.
Q: When you're having all these things fall into line...
Lester: It's delightful! It's perfect! It's marvelous!
Q: You've arrived, then.
Lester: Oh yeah. When you're consciously letting everything
be perfect, you're there.
Lester: I knew some men who used to live on Central Park
South in New York; they were Christian Scientists, who just
sat back, let men come to them, let men make millions of
dollars for them and they hardly ever worked; they only put in
a few hours a week talking to these men.
Q: What kind of work did they do?
Lester: No work.
Q: Enjoyable type.
Lester: But that doesn't make millions.
Q: That's what I meant; you're giving up something greater
for lesser.
Lester: Giving up something greater for lesser? That's the
second time you've said that, Harry.
Q: You've said that.
Lester: No! Give up lesser for the greater. You've got it
backwards. You don't give up the greater for the lesser.
Q: Sure you do.