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Saturday, July 01, 2006 Jeffrey, CMAR II, Mister
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The In T View: What Does Canada Stand For?
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Happy Canada or Dominion Day! Today we are all Canadians. Read All of the Interviews
Mister Ghost, Canada has struggled with its own identity from even before it has been a
nation, but if I had to compress what I thought Canada stood for into one word, it would be Blogs of Interest
this: community. Canada throughout its history has been built up by groups of people who have Instapundit
come to this nation, supporting each other as they entered this rugged, somewhat hostile land. Michael J. Totten
From the French Canadians who were largely left to themselves after immigrating to New Althouse
France, to the United Empire Loyalists who fled American persecution in the wake of the Belmont Club
revolution, to Chinese immigrants who built our national transcontinental railway, to the
Ukrainians and other Eastern Europeans who opened up our West, and to many other groups Pajamas Media
too numerous to count, our history has been a patchwork quilt of immigrant stories (not to Michael Yon
forget the stories of the first nations who occupied the land before us), and by respecting each Jason's Countercolumn
other's identity, I think we've built up a country wherein we mostly respect each other. It has Little Green Footballs
not been a perfect arrangement. Groups have butted heads in the past and will likely do so United World (C.H.)
again in the future. But we've helped each other; we've pulled together, at Vimy Ridge, on Musings on Iraq
D-Day, in the Liberation of Holland, in Korea, in our peacekeeping efforts, and even in our NYTimes Baghdad Bureau
close and longstanding friendship with the United States of America. I think we've built a Blogs
beautiful country. I'm proud of my land and my Irish/English/Scottish/Chinese history that I Leila Fadel (Baghdad
can lay claim to. I strongly dispute Mr. Spencer's comments suggesting that Canadian Observer)
multiculturalism "makes homegrown Jihadism... possible now and in the future." Isn't it World Blog (Iraq)
interesting that, in the United Kingdom, which struggles with its influx of immigrants, can The Long War Journal
point to specific mosques and Imans responsible for the inciteful rhetoric that contributed to CSPAN Blogs Page
the London Underground bombings, and yet we can point to no mosque or Iman where similar Roger Simon's Fedora
rhetoric occurs here? I was not surprised to learn of the arrest of 17 individuals planning Powerline
attacks on Canadian soil (two of whom went to the United States to purchase weapons for use Confederate Yankee
in those attacks; one could ask who is threatening whom here ). I'd been expecting something Lt Nixon Rants
like this to happen sooner rather than later because the sad fact is that it has always been Norman Geras
possible for a few madmen to make things uncomfortable for the rest of us. But those 17 Oxblog
individuals do not, in any way, speak for the overwhelming majority of the 600,000 Muslim Asher Abrams
Canadians who are as decent and as law-abiding as I am. The RCMP is on the ball, and doesn't Kat's Middle Ground
have to deal with the complicated FBI/CIA/DoHS bureaucracy in dealing with our terrorist Steven Vincent's Red Zone
threats. Americans should take comfort in the fact that we are as ready to handle this sort of As'ad, the Angry Arab
attack as they are. But nobody -- American or Canadian -- should forget that these sick MadTom and J.Q. Public
individuals remain an aberration rather than the norm. And if Mr. Spencer truly thinks that Grabinski, New European
Canada's multiculturalism is the root of the problem, I simply point out that the United No Pasaran!
Kingdom and the United States faced down terrorist attacks first. Did the melting pot or Uninformed Opinion
assimilation protect them? Anyway, I hope you find this useful. Yours sincerely, James Bow Michelle Malkin
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Hi, CMAR II
Thanks for writing. My first comment is about Robert Spencer's claim vis-a-vis Canadian
multiculturalism. While our federal policy of multiculturalism, popular ideas about
multiculturalism or a more pervasive "ideology of multiculturalism" might be called into Neighbors
question I fail to see what it has to do with jihadi religious or political beliefs or their Lina (Jordan)
propensity for violence. India, East Timor, Israel, Bali in Indonesia, the UK, Russia, mainland Roba (Jordan)
China and the United States are a diverse group of countries with little in common except for
the fact they have all been and continue to be targeted by jihadis. Canada's particular Amarji (Syria)
political, social and economic make-up therefore seem dramatically less important to our own Mustapha (Lebanon)
home-grown jihadis than the ideology they share with their fellow-travellers around the world. Big Pharaoh (Egypt)
Sandmonkey (Egypt)
That said, I would say Canada stands for diversity, reasonableness and compromise. Saudi Jeans (KSA)
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Yours, Tehran (Iran)
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Culture Blog in Canada in 2005. Niki Akhavan Jarrar (Iran)
Hoder (Iran)
Hello, and thank you for your question. Sheema Kalbasi (Iran)
What does Canada stand for? It’s not an easy question to answer. We too believe in
opportunity, although I don’t think that opportunity is what Canadians would say characterizes
them. In truth, as with any free society, it is impossible to point one’s finger on one or two Media in the Crosshairs
beliefs that all or most Canadians identify with. I’m not trying to dodge the question – just Rhetorica
asking in return if such a question is fair and really answerable. Antimedia
Having written this, I think that you have raised some important issues regarding Canada’s Davids Medienkritik (auf
overt policy of multiculturalism, although you may be surprised to learn that I do not agree Deutsch und Englisch)
with those who assert that such a policy leads to the balkanization of society. Quite the Tim Blair
opposite, enforced multiculturalism has resulted in a great conformity of ideas, though not Jeff Jarvis's Buzzmachine
practices. I refer you to a speech I delivered at Simon Fraser University that touches on this PressThink
subject http://www.canadianvalues.ca/issues.aspx?aid=11. Poynter Online
Accuracy in Media
Regarding Moslem extremists living in and operating out of Canada, this has been a problem Letters to Romenesko
that I have been intimately involved in for several years. I think that Canadians are naïve and Times Watch
self-righteous when it comes to the war on terror which leads, inevitably, to lax security. I Democratiya
don’t sense that the recent arrests were of sufficient magnitude to really change the minds of
the general public even if it did serve as a wake up call to some. In this, though, I’m not sure
that Canada and Canadians are much different that other much of western society including in Previous Posts
the United States. May I refer you to a few interesting op-ed pieces on this subject on our The In T View: What Does
website: Canada Stand For?
http://www.canadianvalues.ca/issues.aspx?aid=169,
http://www.canadianvalues.ca/issues.aspx?aid=178
http://www.canadianvalues.ca/issues.aspx?aid=173 Archives
http://www.canadianvalues.ca/issues.aspx?aid=183
http://www.canadianvalues.ca/issues.aspx?aid=194 May 2004
I don’t know if I’ve been of much help. Let me know if you want or need more... June 2004
Joseph C. Ben-Ami July 2004
August 2004
Joseph C. Ben-Ami is the Executive Director of the Institute for Canadian Values, and a December 2004
"Senior Fellow specializing in Religion, Law and Society as well as Human Rights and January 2005
Democratic Development." Ben-Ami is "the former Director of Government Relations and February 2005
Diplomatic Affairs for the Jewish human rights organization, B’nai Brith Canada." And also March 2005
serves as a member of the Advisory Board of the Jews Against Anti-Christian Defamation. April 2005
May 2005
June 2005
Uh ....... that's a difficult question. Canadians have identity issues. July 2005
1. We are a country of many distinct regions. Quebcers are not Albertans are not August 2005
Newfoundlanders etc. September 2005
2. Then there's our multi-culti tradition. We are not so much a melting pot as an exotic stew October 2005
with many different tastes and textures. November 2005
3. Because we are next to the giant, with many of the same values, a common language, and December 2005
the spillover culture and media, many Canadians try to define themselves as not being January 2006
Americans. February 2006
4. But basically most of us stand for socialized medicine and the notion, fantastic or not, that March 2006
we are a kindler, gentler and just society. April 2006
May 2006
Antonia Zerbisias June 2006
Media Columnist/Bloggerista July 2006
The Toronto Star August 2006
September 2006
Born in Montreal, Antonia Zerbisias has had a long career as a Media Critic and Columnist for October 2006
the Toronto Star, as well as serving as a TV host and reporter for the CBC (Canadian November 2006
Broadcasting Corporation). In 1996, Antonia won the "National Newspaper Award for critical December 2006
writing for her columns about magazines." Zerbisas currently blogs at Azerbic. January 2007
February 2007
March 2007
Canada is politically correct, inoffensive and apathetic to the point of offending anyone with April 2007
half a brain and a healthy dose of conservatism. May 2007
Canada could be and should be a great nation - tolerant and fair without caving into the June 2007
ridiculous, proud and dignified without being arrogant, moderate and gentle without being July 2007
pussies. August 2007
-Lydia Lovric September 2007
October 2007
Lydia Lovric has been a political firebrand from an early age, writing for the Calgary Herald, November 2007
Montreal Gazette, Toronto Star, and Globe and Mail. Currently, she is a columnist at the December 2007
Winnipeg Sun, a contributor to the Vancouver Province, and is frequently heard and seen January 2008
on such programs as the John Oakley Show (MOJO 640), Adler On Line (CJOB - Winnipeg), February 2008
and the Michael Coren Show (CTS TV), as well as hosting her own show, the "Sunday Brunch" March 2008
on AM 900 CHML. Her website is here. April 2008
May 2008
June 2008
Hi Mister Ghost: July 2008
I'd say Canada stands for Decency and Civility, two qualities becoming increasingly rare in our August 2008
world. A lot of people might scorn at the idea of what Canada stands for, but I believe these September 2008
are worthy qualities once were prized by gentlemen above all. Now what do gentlemen stand October 2008
for these days? Regards, November 2008
Salim December 2008
January 2009
Salim Mansur, BA, MA, PhD, is an Associate Professor of Political Science at the University February 2009
of Western Ontario. A writer, his column appears at London Free Press alternate March 2009
Wednesdays, and the Toronto Sun on Thursdays... Salim is a member of the Board of April 2009
Directors for the Center for Islamic Pluralism based in Washington, D.C., a Senior Fellow May 2009
with the Canadian Coalition for Democracies, and an academic-consultant with the Center
for Security Policy in Washington, D.C...
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...I'm almost sorry that you used the word "opportunity" to describe America as that is the word
that I would have used to describe Canada. The difference is that Canada is a land of
opportunity where diversity (at least for the time being) is not only tolerated, but accepted
and celebrated, it is what makes us what we are.... the difference between the melting pot
and multicultural concepts. We don't believe that everybody needs to conform to some ridgid
national identity criteria in order to be "Canadian". Unfortunately, in light of recent
developments, that concept may be in for a bit of a rough ride. Hopefully we will survive the
calls of those who are afraid of whatever boogy-man they think is hiding in the closet and
want people of other languages, cultures, or religions, to toe what they want to define as the
"Canadian National Line". Hope this is what you were looking for Marcel
Well that is a question Canadians have been trying to answer for hundreds of years. In the
mid-twentieth century, “Canadian identity” became an obsession. Our writers and artists all
debated it, esp. after Margaret Atwood’s famous book, Survival. She maintained that Canada
had a “fortress” mentality, that we were haunted by the pioneer experience of Canada as
cold, dark and frightening.
The areas of Canada are very distinct, just as the different regions of the USA are. But here in
Toronto, the media and university elites as well as the politicians all hold to a very liberal,
1960s, 1970s view of Canada, mostly out of misplaced nostalgia. They believe everything
Pierre Trudeau told them: that the French and English in Canada were equally important; that
multiculturalism and socialism were the way of the future. If you dare challenge these views in
public, your career in any of these fields, or even your chances of getting invited to a party,
are greatly reduced...
For all their pretend politeness and tolerance, most Canadians (except me and about 100
others!) hate Americans with a passion you cannot fathom. This predates George Bush — I was
born in 1964 and heard it all my life. Americans are patriotic? Then we will look down on
patriotism. Americans have a huge army; very well, we will reduce ours to a skeleton force.
Americans don’t have “free” “health” “care” and we do, so we are superior (no matter than a
Canadian has to wait almost two years for some routine operations that an American would get
in a week). Imagine: Americans are proud of their inventions and their triumphs on the
battlefield. We Canadians are most proud of a government entitlement that doesn’t even work
anymore!
This smug bigotry is the only acceptable one in polite Canadian society. Americans are “fat,
stupid, greedy, violent and evil.” My fellow Canadians consider this a sophisticated stance.
Alas, they don’t realize how petty and jealous they appear. If America does indeed represent
“opportunity” -- and I agree with you that it does — that is exactly what Canadians hate about
it. They like their government run lives, no matter that our disposable income is 30% less than
an American’s and our taxes are higher. Success is not something most Canadians admire. “Just
keep your nose clean and one day you’ll win the lottery — or retire”. Very sad.
I would love to get out of here tomorrow, but alas, Green Cards are impossible to get :-)
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Hi there,
This may be too late to respond to you, but I've been on vacation, so sorry about that.
Canada stands for "peace, order and good government" according to our constitution, which is
in remarkable contrast to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness". We're far more corporate
that individualistic, and thus rely much more on the government to make our lives good than
on individual effort.
Part of this, of course, is that we never had to fight for anything (the World Wars
notwithstanding, when we were fighting for someone else, not ourselves). Even those who
settled in Canada did so deliberately to avoid becoming American and cling to the British
empire, or to actually flee the American Revolution. Tradition, peace, and order are a good
part of our history.
We tend to frown on any ostentatious display of wealth, just as the British do, and we tend to
view with suspicion anyone who has been too successful. The upper class in Canada is almost
all Liberal. While Americans, too, tend to be liberal among the upper classes, it is not nearly
as monolithic as in Canada.
To be Canadian is to believe in the Charter of Rights, the goodness of government, the evils of
individualism, and the need to be protected from whatever may happen. It is to downplay one's
own importance, to feel somehow not quite good enough, and at the same time to be angry
about this.
Ironically, we do have much to be proud of. We subdued a huge nation. We fought valiantly in
both World Wars. We had a navy and an air force that were amazing considering our small
size.
Yet we forget these things and instead focus on Canada's perceived guilt in the world--our
treatment of the aboriginals, the interment of the Japanese in World War II, the Chinese head
tax. We feel guilty rather than proud. It's really quite sad.
Ha!! Mister Ghost. You have hit the nail on the head. We are a nation of the confused and
muddled and we seem to like it that way.
It has to do with our geography. We are separated by geographic featues that make us very
regional-centric. We also have huge disparities in population between the regions which makes
for unequal representation in our parliament and a constitution that doesn't adequately
address that disparity.
We've also got the French/English albatross keeping us embroiled in collective handwringing,
fretting and finger pointing. Some of us identify ourselves by juxtapostion with the US, which
expresses itself as: "The US is bad, therefore in order for us to be good, we have to bash
everything American."
We're basically very worried about being swallowed up by the US, which causes us to do a lot
of stupid things, like creating the CBC and the National Film Board which were originally
intended to unite Canadians and foster a common culture, but they've become little more than
propaganda tools for the left of centre view.
But when it comes right down to it, I think what defines us, or, to put it in your terms, what
we stand for, what unites us, is our hatred of Toronto. HAhhahahaahahaha.
Seriously, we don't go into patriotism in a big way, but I do think we like to be proud of what
we can do on the international stage, but we haven't done too well in that arena for quite a
while. We also take great pride in being self-effacing. Maybe the second gets in the way of the
first. I don't know.
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